and btw i really dont see why people are so up-in-arms about the war. It's not like these students have been asked to give anything up like in WWII when they would have to turn in their cars for tank metal. I understand everyone has an opinion but thats my reasoning. And again not taking sides, just making a point.
I don't know, I guess some people just really believe in the constitution. Congress did not declare war which the constitution dictates.
What people are up in arms about are 4000 dead americans, 10k wounded, untold iraqi dead and a country that's about to go bankrupt and hand its economy over to foreign banks.
what surprises me is that more people aren't pissed
The thing i heard in this video that scares me is the whole "cut the funding". The only people youre hurting if you cut the funding is me, the American Soldier. Youre going to get more losses of life that way. You dont cut the funding until you cut the troops in country. If you wanna roll with the cut funding idea, cool that's your decision, just realize that you must cut troop levels before cutting funding. I am neither for nor against the war, i just do it. So dont think im taking sides.
you have enough funds for the next six months. If they don't renew those funds and vote to bring you home they will provide enough funds to get you back saftely, well at least as safe as you are now.
It's not like they are gonna leave you there high and dry with your thumb out.
Where is Ralph Nader organizing anti-war movements?
Nader's a spoiler who won't get more than 2 percent. The race is too close for him to have stepped in at this point. I used to be crazy about him. Now, I'm pissed.
In my opinion, voting for Nader will put McCain in the Oval Office.
If Nader did not run against Al Gore, Gore would be president. Nader lied to Phil Donahue who ran his campaign. He made a promise to Donahue, before Donahue signed on, that he would drop out if it looked like he would be the spoiler. So much for Nader's ethics.
Are we doomed to repeat history this coming November?
youtube it! many people have deciferd all facts. Listen to what Nader said he would do, the interview with Donohue is here on youtube.
Further, stop trying to surpress candidates, this is a democracy. You want O or Hill go work for them, but don't advoate the dirty tricks the DNC plays on 3rd parties/write-ins or their OWN candidates.
Kucinish had to take the Teaxs Democrats to courts
You are the one supressing my opinion. You have every right not to like what I say but please debate without putting your words into what I write. Do not use the word hearsay when I heard Donahue say Nader promised him he would quit the election.
Your POV is not fact; it is your opinion.
As for Bush, the man is a criminal and his next term should be served in jail with Cheney and all the other Bushie gangesters.
naderwatch. blogspot. com/2004_02_01_archive. html
Ralph Nader: He's
Good for Consumers,
But Bad for Voters
"Nader even refuses to listen to former top supporters like Oscar winners Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, and Tim Robbins. Nader scorns his friends including Phil Donahue, Danny Glover, Bonnie Raitt and Willie Nelson who urged him not to run in 2004."
1. you can't back up the statement cause Donahue never said it.
2. you are pissed your guy didn't win so you are blaming someone else.
3. you failed to get your guy elected because you didn't work hard enough.
4. your party which has the power doesn't even have the guts to impeach Bush for crimes against humanity, they even took the discussion off the table! you will have to lives with that when you roll over for them again and again and again!
It makes no sense to you. If you cannot grasp what a spoiler is, I cannot help you. The man has no chance of winning. If you don't get this, it is your problem, not mine.
I gave you an article you could have explored. You wouldn't even take the time to Google for yourself. As I said earlier, vote for whom you want. I happen to believe a well-informed voter is what every American should strive to be.
BTW, what makes you think I am a democrat? Many of us have switched to become Independents because we are fed up. Think for yourself and stop making assumptions about me and other registered voters. I wouldn't mind if they started proceedings to Impeach Pelosi.
if you aren't or weren't a democrat why are you calling Nader a spoiler and accusing him of all these crazy things which, might I add, you have failed to back up.
the only assumption I've made here is to think you would produce something to back these accusations up.
"Many of us have switched to become Independents because we are fed up. Think for yourself and stop making assumptions about me and other registered voters."
why are u dragging other voters in this? this is about u providing proof that Donahue said Nader told him he would pull out of the race in 2k and blaming Nader,
ur words, "Nader's a spoiler"
for running which was and is his right as an american under the law.
What does any party affiliation of mine have to do with Nader being a spoiler? Your thinking is convoluted.
No, I could not find Donahue's statement. Donahue is making the rounds pitching his movie, "Body Of War." Someone will ask him about Nader. I suggest you watch.
You accused me of suppressing your right to vote, other voters rights, free speech & that I didn't work hard enough to get my candidate into the oval office. You have no idea who I am. Stop projecting. Vote for who you want.
votethirdpartynow, as I said, Donahue is now aggressively promoting his movie, "Body Of War." I guarantee that one of his interviewers will question him on Nader being a spoiler. Don't take my word for what Donahue said about Nader. Listen to what Donahue will say about this subject.
Look, you made an accusation that has no baring on what Donahue is doing now - this is the internet NOTHING is lost especially such an incendiary quote.
Admit it, it doesn't exist.
Stop trying to change the subject and most of all stop spreading lies!
If you want to talk about the war then start a reply on my IMPEACH video.
Look, d00d you made an egregious accusation and don't have the guts to back it up, admit when you're wrong and lied, so you do the all too typical cowardly thing, run.
This is such a good example to anyone reading these types of threads, always dig a little deeper, get to the bottom of the facts and the truth then call the liars and phonies out
okay uh the only way i back what i said up is ive fucking been to iraq and seen everything there is there. Ive been through the fire of those disgusting fucks that fight us. So if youre talking to me i speak from experiences fromt he Diyala River Valley. If you dont believe me fuck yourself. Look up Diyala on youtube and youll see everything my unit of the 82nd airborne was doing.
I don't think anyone cares about the people's voice any more...Cheney even said "so" the other day when told that the majority of Americans wanted the troops brought home...
And I wonder if most people who want the war to end - 70% of the population - will just sit on their couches with their thumbs up their asses and do nothing.
Thank you very much people for getting the vote out. :)
We will call on you next time.
LMAO
Buzzz46 2 years ago
Mel Watt is evil!... trying to protect the Fed and their corrupt cronies on Wall Street.
jackooboy1 2 years ago
Mel Watt didn't vote to end ACORN funding.
It is apparent that he is part of the problem in this country.
How much money and political support does he get from ACORN, it's supporters and affiliates? Why does he protect their child slavery practices?
I think Mel Watt should be criminally investigated and imprisoned if necessary.
FriarTuck1961 2 years ago
god damn hippys
bunkinswpg 2 years ago
and btw i really dont see why people are so up-in-arms about the war. It's not like these students have been asked to give anything up like in WWII when they would have to turn in their cars for tank metal. I understand everyone has an opinion but thats my reasoning. And again not taking sides, just making a point.
Roberts19D 4 years ago
I don't know, I guess some people just really believe in the constitution. Congress did not declare war which the constitution dictates.
What people are up in arms about are 4000 dead americans, 10k wounded, untold iraqi dead and a country that's about to go bankrupt and hand its economy over to foreign banks.
what surprises me is that more people aren't pissed
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
The thing i heard in this video that scares me is the whole "cut the funding". The only people youre hurting if you cut the funding is me, the American Soldier. Youre going to get more losses of life that way. You dont cut the funding until you cut the troops in country. If you wanna roll with the cut funding idea, cool that's your decision, just realize that you must cut troop levels before cutting funding. I am neither for nor against the war, i just do it. So dont think im taking sides.
Roberts19D 4 years ago
you have enough funds for the next six months. If they don't renew those funds and vote to bring you home they will provide enough funds to get you back saftely, well at least as safe as you are now.
It's not like they are gonna leave you there high and dry with your thumb out.
they'll march or drive you over to Kuwait.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
We need national leaders to organize peaceful war protests.
Where are they?
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
nader
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
Where is Ralph Nader organizing anti-war movements?
Nader's a spoiler who won't get more than 2 percent. The race is too close for him to have stepped in at this point. I used to be crazy about him. Now, I'm pissed.
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
why do you want to suppress my voting right?
that doesn't seem very democratic.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
Vote for whom you want.
In my opinion, voting for Nader will put McCain in the Oval Office.
If Nader did not run against Al Gore, Gore would be president. Nader lied to Phil Donahue who ran his campaign. He made a promise to Donahue, before Donahue signed on, that he would drop out if it looked like he would be the spoiler. So much for Nader's ethics.
Are we doomed to repeat history this coming November?
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
u don't have the facts. u'r Donohue story is false. do some research.
1. the SC/FL ruled with Gore, he won.
2. the SCOTUS rulled against Gore, he gave up.
3. u r advocating suppressing candidates, voters rights & free speech.
4. Gore & Kerry should have won by a landslide, Obama & Hillary should win by a landslide.
stop blaming others because u'r not working hard enough.
keep voting for the lesser of two evils & u will alwasy have less & alwasy have evil.
more voices more choices!
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
I heard Phil Donahue say it. I do not remember if he was on Charlie Rose or another program when he said it. Google and see for yourself.
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
youtube it! many people have deciferd all facts. Listen to what Nader said he would do, the interview with Donohue is here on youtube.
Further, stop trying to surpress candidates, this is a democracy. You want O or Hill go work for them, but don't advoate the dirty tricks the DNC plays on 3rd parties/write-ins or their OWN candidates.
Kucinish had to take the Teaxs Democrats to courts
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
If you are going to keep blaming Nader for taking votes away from Gore blame Bush too.
One last thing, Nader took more votes from Bush than he did Gore.
stop being brainwashed by media hearsay and put the effort in to find out the truth.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
You are the one supressing my opinion. You have every right not to like what I say but please debate without putting your words into what I write. Do not use the word hearsay when I heard Donahue say Nader promised him he would quit the election.
Your POV is not fact; it is your opinion.
As for Bush, the man is a criminal and his next term should be served in jail with Cheney and all the other Bushie gangesters.
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
I want to hear or read where Donahue said exactly, "Nader told me he would quit the election."
please post the URL with the quote or video.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
I would have to hunt the same as you. If I knew I would tell you. It has to be there. Happy hunting.
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
when you makes an accusation it's your job to back it up!
People can meke up all kinds of stuff.
Much like I believe you are doing here now.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
So far I found this from 2004:
naderwatch. blogspot. com/2004_02_01_archive. html
Ralph Nader: He's
Good for Consumers,
But Bad for Voters
"Nader even refuses to listen to former top supporters like Oscar winners Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, and Tim Robbins. Nader scorns his friends including Phil Donahue, Danny Glover, Bonnie Raitt and Willie Nelson who urged him not to run in 2004."
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
what does this have to do with Donahue saying Nader told him he wouldn't run?
you made an accusation, you need to back it up.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
why u use a blog to support u'r argument I don't know. I can find a bunch of other blogs to contrats this.
All those people you quoted would say the same thing about Bush so I don't get the point and what makes their opinions or choices better than mine?
Voteing is an equal right.
so what u'r saying is u want to limit the political field to just 2 parties, keep the monopoly?
when it comes to freedom the constitution and bill of rights all ths stuff u'r posting makes no sense?
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
what I think this all boils down to is:
1. you can't back up the statement cause Donahue never said it.
2. you are pissed your guy didn't win so you are blaming someone else.
3. you failed to get your guy elected because you didn't work hard enough.
4. your party which has the power doesn't even have the guts to impeach Bush for crimes against humanity, they even took the discussion off the table! you will have to lives with that when you roll over for them again and again and again!
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
It makes no sense to you. If you cannot grasp what a spoiler is, I cannot help you. The man has no chance of winning. If you don't get this, it is your problem, not mine.
I gave you an article you could have explored. You wouldn't even take the time to Google for yourself. As I said earlier, vote for whom you want. I happen to believe a well-informed voter is what every American should strive to be.
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
I failed? I didn't work hard enough?
BTW, what makes you think I am a democrat? Many of us have switched to become Independents because we are fed up. Think for yourself and stop making assumptions about me and other registered voters. I wouldn't mind if they started proceedings to Impeach Pelosi.
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
if you aren't or weren't a democrat why are you calling Nader a spoiler and accusing him of all these crazy things which, might I add, you have failed to back up.
the only assumption I've made here is to think you would produce something to back these accusations up.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
"Many of us have switched to become Independents because we are fed up. Think for yourself and stop making assumptions about me and other registered voters."
why are u dragging other voters in this? this is about u providing proof that Donahue said Nader told him he would pull out of the race in 2k and blaming Nader,
ur words, "Nader's a spoiler"
for running which was and is his right as an american under the law.
You're the only one advocating suppression here.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
What does any party affiliation of mine have to do with Nader being a spoiler? Your thinking is convoluted.
No, I could not find Donahue's statement. Donahue is making the rounds pitching his movie, "Body Of War." Someone will ask him about Nader. I suggest you watch.
You accused me of suppressing your right to vote, other voters rights, free speech & that I didn't work hard enough to get my candidate into the oval office. You have no idea who I am. Stop projecting. Vote for who you want.
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
oh come on! the only people calling Nader a
spoiler are democrats/gore supporters.
"If Nader did not run against Al Gore, Gore would be president."
I should have read that statement more clearly the first time.
Nader didn't run against Al Gore he ran againts Al Gore, Geroge Bush and several other candidate nominated by their parties.
holy cow! don't you even know how the political process in the US works?
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
and as far as your Donahue assumption/quote it doesn't exist. u r spreading misinformation.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
votethirdpartynow, as I said, Donahue is now aggressively promoting his movie, "Body Of War." I guarantee that one of his interviewers will question him on Nader being a spoiler. Don't take my word for what Donahue said about Nader. Listen to what Donahue will say about this subject.
What have you done to protest this war?
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago
Look, you made an accusation that has no baring on what Donahue is doing now - this is the internet NOTHING is lost especially such an incendiary quote.
Admit it, it doesn't exist.
Stop trying to change the subject and most of all stop spreading lies!
If you want to talk about the war then start a reply on my IMPEACH video.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
votethirdpartynow, Yutness, this is the place to discuss protesting the war. Next time, try watching the video before you comment!!!
WTF? (Rhetorical) Good-bye.
OneoftheImmortals 4 years ago 2
Look, d00d you made an egregious accusation and don't have the guts to back it up, admit when you're wrong and lied, so you do the all too typical cowardly thing, run.
This is such a good example to anyone reading these types of threads, always dig a little deeper, get to the bottom of the facts and the truth then call the liars and phonies out
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
okay uh the only way i back what i said up is ive fucking been to iraq and seen everything there is there. Ive been through the fire of those disgusting fucks that fight us. So if youre talking to me i speak from experiences fromt he Diyala River Valley. If you dont believe me fuck yourself. Look up Diyala on youtube and youll see everything my unit of the 82nd airborne was doing.
Roberts19D 4 years ago
roberts12d no one was talking to you about Iraq. figure out you tube.
but since you brought up Iraq, I think there's a consensus that you oughten be.
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
nader suck
palaciom 4 years ago
dig Reagan up
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
I don't think anyone cares about the people's voice any more...Cheney even said "so" the other day when told that the majority of Americans wanted the troops brought home...
noahmurchu 4 years ago
wasn't that shocking!
I've grabed that clip, the arrogance is amazing
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago
i wonder if war protesters will ever be heard
beelzebub1234 4 years ago 4
And I wonder if most people who want the war to end - 70% of the population - will just sit on their couches with their thumbs up their asses and do nothing.
bluenote71 4 years ago 2
I'm wondering this too, what happen to us?
I keep thinking of chayefsky's network
votethirdpartynow 4 years ago