If –in your considered estimation– my being disengenuous (sic) implies that I secretly concede Buckley was an intellectual colossus, you are in error.
He was a clever chap that knew how to turn a phrase, and nakedly hostile to much that would pass for common human decency. True intellectual greatness is the result of more than simply aggregating facts and statistics. If that were not the case, then Kim Peek would rank foremost among modern minds.
Did you hear him say that his religious cohorts didn't allow white people in their meetings! Obviously, this smacks of racism. Catholics and other denonominations allow blacks and other races in their churches. It's called black racism, liberals, and he's no better than the KKK.
The bizarre notion that William F. Buckley was anything other than a mean-spirited, last-gasp relic of the old-guard w.a.s.p. plantation owners is one that I find at once comic and lugubrious, quite a trick!
Republicans like to hold Buckley aloft as evidence that conservatives can "talk pretty."
To rank him among the greatest minds of our time is to discount the very idea of intellectual greatness.
@bevanlurito You are an absolutely disengenuous pain in the ass. If you can't see through the smoke of your own ideology that is fine. However, to discount the massive intellect and wealth of knowledge of Buckley is being assinine in the extreme. Who would you place on that list instead of Buckley (Here we go kids, Chomsky and the like). By the way, my list does include some liberal thinkers, but at least I am intellectually honest.
This is like watching a show from Mars compared to what passes for "serious discussion" today. There's not one show today, on the left or the right, that is 10% as good as this show.
"...I got to think like this; I'm a victim of all this". Victim? Victim of what? Christ, what a hypocrite. Whether he ever acknowledges it or not Ali was part of the system that made him millions of dollars and gave him access to heads of state, the power brokers of the world, the rich and famous, and all the other things that come from being part of a system that rewards excellence. Victim my ass!
@thesparitan You already have, but since you say nothing else, your comment is really not worth anything. My comment stands up: Ali's hypocrisy is obvious to all honest people. If the white power structure was responsible for his "lack of opportunity", how did he get the opportunity to fight? In reality, his ONLY opportunity was available via the "WPS", and without it, he'd be...nothing. Ali was a great champion but he was no great intellect - and he failed to give America its due.
First, I hope you realize the racist backdrop your comment undoubtedly comes from.
Second you can be a victim of a larger system while "benefit" monetarily from it (as if money is the sole end all be all). Case in point: During the Trans-Atlantic slave trade it paid to be a village chief and wage war on neighboring tribes so one could acquire slaves to sell. This "opportunity" to make money can hardly be looked at as beneficiary however. If you think it so, you need to reevaluate
@Lethargic21 We're all trolls. And Ali deserves being put in his place with respect to all you slobbering ass-kissers. His own racism deserves analysis...
I don't agree with the concept of separation that Ali backed at this point but I'm impressed with how intelligent he was. Had he been educated to his potential he could have done anything.
Even with a black president, race and culture is still a problem. I have seen the austerity and injustice (if not the danger of being poor and black in America). Frankly, it seems the only equalizer is going to be poverty! I am confident people are getting to a point that everybody comes from somewhere... its who you are and what you do that really counts.
I just realized how my comment below was misread. I wasn't saying Blacks are speaking proper English, acting White. Some Blacks think if another Black speaks proper English "he is acting White". Anyways, Buckley states in his debate with James Baldwin that this is a complex topic which indeed it is. My assertion is that as long as minds & perceptions have not changed disparities will continue to exist and true equality will not be possible. That's it, I'm done!
@kweju3, I agree with you. In our so called mult cultural society there is a place for all cultures but all multi culturalism really stands for is that everybody has to be the same...meaning a political correct consumer.
I don't believe in a multi cultureal society without rasicm. These are false ideals.
We need proud black, white and yellow people who are proud of their own culture and heroes.
Ali, is a very intelligent humorist and as a white man I can totally agree with his battle for the black man.
It's a bloody shame that today there are not much heroes like King, James Baldwin, Malcolm X and Ali. Today a lot of black people seem to think that the best to achieve is being a pimp gangster rapper with baggy shorts and a lot of bling bling. A very bad exeample, I think.
I hope they rise up to the level of Baldwin, X, King and Ali.
@davebex13 Yes, "these people" are needed now...more than ever. Our society is anything but equal. America is aware of the concept of equality but living up to it is the next challenge. We all suffer from a psychological enemy, "mindset", which is as tough as beating an addiction. And rather than ignore skin color and race, we should accept & appreciate them. Playing ego defensive mind games is what has created the morass we seek to escape.
@kweju3 Please specify how our society is anything but equal. Seems to me there's equal opportunity for all Americans. (If you mean globally, however, I concede you have a point.)
@davebex13 Mindset. Black and White. Simply because a "form" of slavery ended doesn't mean its remnants don't continue to exist. Laws make changes on paper. The reality of American slavery is that it created beliefs, attitudes and behaviors that are played out daily by Whites and Blacks. Mentally enslaved Blacks still think straight hair is good hair, nappy hair undesireable; they use bleaching cremes to lighten their skin and be more acceptible; speaking proper English acting White (to them).
@kweju3 Um...so you're saying that speaking proper English is not desirable for everyone? And it sounds from your response that you think we need another MLK to assure blacks that nappy hair is good. ???????? ROTFLMFAO!
@davebex13 Who am I speaking to? Do you know what mindset means? Those were examples. The problem goes deeper and has to do with values and self image. Some Blacks trapped in their own minds can not see the forest for the trees, having adopted negative beliefs (lies)about themselves. We need people who think out of the box, with foresight and vision. Judging from your answer, I don't think you have a clue what I'm talking about. Thus, the problem persists. You are a victim of your own beliefs.
@kweju3 On the other hand, Whites think affirmative action is the only method for Blacks to compete with them scholastically; they did Blacks folks a favor by taking them out of a jungle and civilizing them (indeed, that civilization is a White thing); criminality such as "flash mobbing" is a part of the "Black community". Slavery's legacy. Opportunities exist but obfuscated by old beliefs that are slow to die. I'm not pointing fingers. It just is.
May the rusty pestilent prick of Christ stab out the eyes of your mongolid progenitors you slovenly illiterate onanist. Eat the smegma of thy mental ineptitude from the wilted lobes of thine supreme ignorance. The putrid essence of your feeble drooling idiocy drips languidly from the anus of your vulgar and ruined maw. Those things you call teeth others name turds. To endure the stench of your yawning hole is a fate no villain has yet earned, garish attempts at ascendency be damned.
Wow. What a revelation this video is. I never knew Ali was such a racist bastard. I hope he's changed since then. After all, many of us white crackers were big fans of him. Speaking for myself, I never noticed or cared about the color of his skin.
Highfalutin logorrhea does not intellectual discourse make. You demonstrate this admirably in your preceding comments. You could learn a lot from Mr. Ali.
@bevanlurito Is that all you perceive Buckley as demonstrating: highfalutin logorrhea? And I hardly demonstrate the same with merely 500 characters. Finally, I doubt that Ali knew what a crypto-Nazi was, anyway...
@paintpot2 No matter what you thought of his politics, he did indeed have a great mind and was second to very few public intellectuals; perhaps none. (Gore Vidal would have something to say over this)
@beeroosterm I knew in high school Buckley was a psuedo-intellectual. Although I admit he does give the appearance of being extremely intelligent with his "nuanced" thinking, New England/British accent, and large vocabulary. Buckley fakes good.
Perhaps a "public intellectua"l but then we have very low standards in this country, see Chomsky and the role of media in our "democracy." Which reminds me of the show where Chomsky hands his ass to him.
You prove you haven't the slightest familiarity with the thing by insinuating that Mr. Buckley at some point engaged in it. The man was as much an intellectual as he was a professional boxer. Spouting tired right-wing cliches and only very slightly veiled racism does not constitute intellectual discourse.
No, it's not an invitation to an argument. It is akin to the delivering of a blow to the snout of an animal to make it cease its howling and go shit outside instead of on the carpet.
@Pizuzuzimmer Buckley was an intellectual giant; Ali was out of his weight class - and it showed. That you defend him is telling regarding your general ignorance. You have an intransigent belief that Buckley was somehow less than what he is well recognized for while having a similar belief that Ali somehow belonged in the same room intellectually. And fuck you and your petty animal analogues...
You can't read, can you? There are remedial classes for that, you should look into it. I didn't say a word about Ali. As to your opinion as to who is and who is not an "intellectual giant," you've already demonstrated that you do your thinking in a dog's voice, so your vote is safely discarded.
@Pizuzuzimmer The title of this video is "Muhammad Ali talks to William F. Buckley". Was Buckley speaking in a vacuum, or is that just the general condition of the contents of your head? You are the very definition of a troll. And since you like animal analogies so well, why don't you go lick the feet of your master Chomsky? Hell, you'll be able to experience his theories first-hand fairly soon, as Greece will experience anarchy in relatively short order. Grease up, Fido - here it comes!
The dog now claims to be a bitch. Well, the dog would know the nature of its genitals better than the rest of us, given how much time its face spends in their proximity.
@bevanlurito I won't argue that Buckley is obviously one of the greatest intellectual minds of the modern era, but if you mean to tell me he could punch out Muhammad Ali, you are an idiot.
@LameassIndustries Buckley should have torn him to pieces intellectually for being a blace racist and draft dodger. That's more important than physically "punching him out."
What a ridiculous, narcissint, self-important fool. Buckley must have been laughing inside and just bursting to say what he should have said, but knew he would just waste his career away if he had ridiculed that fool.
just an outspoken, self-riteous, self-loving manchild. notice too how at the very end of the program he reaches over at buckley's papers and starts turning here and there, as if they were on HIS lap. not a shred of manners or decency. i would have gladly traded clay's life for dr. king or malcom x. either way america would have been better off. i will toast a glass of the best champagne i can find within an hour's time of the death of this evil savage.
@volvo242tank Wow, what a piece of shit you are. I thought all of you cavemen had died off already. Cant wait until all of you have kicked the bucket. I remember the 60's and how minorities felt like second class citizens in their own country, because of idiots like you Times have changed pal, hurry up and die, will you...
@volvo242tank not evil, just an indoctinated. To be evil you need a brain. So why do you think Mx and luther king were less bad? Because they had manners?
i'm not racist but listen slavery for one reason and one reason only was good it brought millions of people from africa which is a shithole now to a superpower so thats 1 point so now its -1200 points watch alot of people troll because all they did was read the first part
@ScreamingEagle2010 25% died. That's rather worse to be sure than the inhumanity and cannibalism they forewent in their own continent. That's also worse than the depravity they subsisted in as well. But their offspring is in a far superior economic position to the Africans who stayed in Africa.
That's a point that cannot be disputed.
So neither point can be disputed but it's quite ironic that the only blacks we hear lamenting slavery are the ones who greatly benefited from it.
@NoFearOfGod If you dislike a statement but can't refute it, don't be plebeian with your blind counter-attack. If that's your best response you've publicised your failure. You mock yourself.
@emerset Well then, perhaps you are sorry your ancestors were not captured, beaten, chained, transported thousands of miles to be owned as property, whipped, hobbled, denied the right to learn to read and write, lynched, bured and shot? Do you think you'd have "greatly benifited' from from your master being able to screw your mother any time he wanted and then kill the children like a lame horse?
You view history through a filter of racisim. This is evident. Thats what makes it idiotic.
@NoFearOfGod The Ghanan & Nigerian nations took slaves. The Angolans & Tanzanians were mercenaries attacking and capturing other tribes to sell into slavery. In Sierra Leone in the 1800s 1/2 the population consisted of slaves. from the 1600s to early 1900s 1/3 of the population of the Ashanti, Yoruba, Kanem, & Fulani Jihad people were in fact slaves. The Sokoto population in Nigeria was half-slave in the 19th century.The entire population of the island Gozo was enslaved and sent to Libya in 1551
@emerset there is a difference in African and American slavery. African slaves were indentured for a specific period of time, were allowed to maintain their names and history whereas American slaves were stripped of their names, heritage, language, etc. and were indentured from birth to death. This was the true crime, because the black americans have no history and no idea of where they came from, their roots, their history. The two can not be equated.
No African in Africa in the slave-trading days was given the opportunity to read or write.
When Europeans/Americans had a high market for African slaves, it was principally the stronger African tribes that captured the weaker neighbours to sell them to the merchants.
The Benin the Bambara and the Khasso empires' economies greatly improved through this. King Gezo of Dahomey said "The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth." The King of Bonny publically opposed the British abolition of slavery.
Slavery was morally unforgivable. It was contiously monstrous. And both sides actively capitalised on it.
I'd prefer it hadn't happened. But you do realise that the African Americans of today are far better off economically, educationally, & opportunistically to the African civilian in Africa.
Ive eloquated my statement. Now I can't be racist.
@emerset "In most African societies, there was very little difference between the free peasants and the feudal vassal peasants. Slaves of the Songhai Empire were used primarily in agriculture; they paid tribute to their masters in crop and service but they were slightly restricted in custom and convenience. These non-free people were more an occupational caste, as their bondage was relative."
@emerset What people in the world would not rather have their own culture, no matter how "backward" it seems to someone else? You equate running water with culture, you assume that technology equals better. How could a bunch of hunter - gatherers NOT want to be somewhere else?
Capture of prisoners in wartime is something all warring peoples have done. But only white people treated them as animals with the sanction of god. Who were they "selling" these slaves to? Other tribes or Europeans?
@NoFearOfGod It depends on who they may have been enslaved by. I'm not sorry my ancestors were not captures by sub-Saharans because, given how backward that part of the world is, it would not have redounded to the credit of recent generations. Blacks can not say the same.
The charge of "racism" is the rhetorical scapegoat of the intellectual weakling. This is not because racism doesn't exist but because it doesn't matter. An opinion may be both racist and accurate.
@TheTypicalGirl Are you related to Sarah Palin? I have no idea what you are trying to say,
"Blacks can not say the same" is a racist statement.
"not because racism doesn't exist but because it doesn't matter" could only be said by someone who has never experienced racism. If you had lived as a slave you would understand why racism is very important. Racism is not dead. There are racists in the world today.
"An opinion may be both racist and accurate" A racist statement can never be accurate.
@NoFearOfGod "A racist statement can never be accurate."
Black people tend to have darker skin than white people. Depending on one's definition of racism the preceding can be seen as a racist statement, and completely factual.
@BoozyBeggar A personal definition of "racism" has no bearing on the factual definition of the word "racism", which is the belief that a person's traits and capacities are determined primarily by the "stock" people they originate from. defining it otherwise is making up your own meanings for the word, which would make any discussion pointless and confusing.
Since racism has been proven false by science, there can be no racist statement of factual value - because racism itself is not factual.
@EdwardsComment It seems to me like you don't understand the transitory nature of language, that there are no set-in-stone definitions and that a word can have multiple meaningsLanguage evolves. Republican means something completely different today than it did for Lincoln. Take a look at the word "spirit". Does it mean the essence of an idea, a high alcohol content beverage or a ghost?
Maybe I'm just dating myself, but there will only be one, true, Heavyweight Champion of the World, and that man is, MUHAMMAD ALI .
Handsome, confident, intelligent, articulate, friendly, and a man of principle, who never let anything, or anyone, stand in the way of what he believed was right.
Racist,class-biased Buckley made sure to limit his interactions with Ali. He feared being shown up. Watch Buckley's debate with Baldwin. He really let the racial vomit flow, albeit in those honeyed terms he picked up in the expensive private schools here and abroad his piratical daddy purchased for him. Wonderful to see the great, self-assured young Muhammad Ali laying it out there in his crisp pure prose.
@joblow696 Yes, fear is always the alibi for this kind of egregious behavior. It revealed his fundamentally bad character. The pedigree of this "emergency solution" is well known to all. Buckley was a fiendish homophobe till his last breath. A lifelong friend and political ally of his who came out of the closet was banished and never spoken to again. His diatribe against Vidal was filled with sputtering anti gay invective. He was a serious head case, a hater rooted in some kind of neurosis.
In retrospect, it's sad to see and hear Buckley and these people interacting with Ali. As we know, this was 1968 and Ali eventually returned to the ring. Today he's unable to speak due to a form of Parkinson's Disease sustained from blows to the head from boxing. People still revere him, but he's a shadow of the beautiful, vital, spirited man he was then.
Interesting that at 3:53 he mentioned that one day there will be a Black President. He didn't sound like he believed it would happen but it's interesting that 40 years later there was a Black President.
@nothinelse2seehere1 What does any of your response even mean? Is English a second language for you? I can't believe you'd expect to be taken serious with that grammar and that syntax and horrific rambling.
@nothinelse2seehere1 What does any of your response even mean? Is English a second language for you? I can't believe you'd expect to be taken serious with that grammar and that syntax and horrific rambling.
@nothinelse2seehere1 very eloquently put. You must be a true scholar. Truly, is English your second language? They have programs for people like yourself. The only thing you've said that is so far correct, you said it in your last sentence, or what passes for a sentence. Let me quote: but in this case u asked for stupid.
@nothinelse2seehere1 Well, you finally wrote something out that I can understand. Thanks. The only thing I find funny is that while searching your vocabulary for the one right word that you think befits me, that it turned out to be a thirty year old catch-word. This is a text forum, chief, and to be taken seriously you have to be serious.
What made Firing Line a great program was the variety of his guest list( not only Muhammad Ali,but Groucho Marx,porn star Harry Reems,Karl Hess, Alexander Solzhenitsyn ,and his atmosphere of civilized verbal discussion--sometimes the talk was combative,but WFB rarely let the program sink into nastiness and a place for self promotion. Also,is there--even now,a place where,like on Firing Line one, can hear a discussion of a single issue for a full hour?
@sleedolfine15 You think BUCKLEY was not intersted in self-promotion? His whole life was spent posturing. He was a poseur hiding his truly ugly atavistic hateful philosophy behind a smokescreen of affected urbanity and smarmy unctuous charm. Read about his oh so civilized ideas during the height of the AIDS scre in the 80s. The vile thug wanted to tattoo the buttocks of AIDS patients so they'd be more easily identifiable. A little imagination will tell you what was coming next .
@joblow696 As for WFB's self promotion,I doubt that the program would've lasted 20+ years had it not been about more than Buckley himself. I say this as someone who owns years of Firing Line episodes. In the early 80s,AIDS was a horrific epidemic with no treatment. His tattoo idea was an emergency measure to warn potential victims of carriers who CHOOSE to expose their sex partners to an assured death sentence without giving them warning. I don't agree with WFB's solution,but I understand it.
Does anyone know how one can see the whole interview? I heard that at one time ALi was speechless, and Buckley asked what was wrong. Ali answered, "YOu are quick" I wonder what they were talking ab out after the broadcast was over.
I don't hear racism coming from this guy; even in 1968. He is completely frank and honest about his feelings and reactions. This was just four years after the 1964 Civil Rights Act was signed into law. Growing up, he saw and experienced some of the injustice and inequity he mentions. In interviews like this, he blew away the perception that he was punch drunk or inarticulate.
Wow. I didn't know that muhammad ali was such a racist anti-white black nationalist. Doesn't surprise me that the films and biographies about him covered that up. And why on Earth did Bush give him an award at the White House? This demented lunatic deserves our scorn and condemnation.
Ali was surprisingly intellegent for a boxer. You might say too smart by half. The thing I have a problem with is that he grew up with money. His family wasn't poor, and America lovingly embraced him because he was a winner. Then he got mixed up with the idiot kooky nation of islam and learned to bite the hand that feeds. He had to have been moderating his rhetoric in this interview, or WFB would surely have administered a world championship style verbal knockout.
LISTEN to Ali talk about a "someday Black President" and about what the reasons and dynamics might be if, ever, there were a conflict with people of Islamic faith and culture
These were amazingly civil discussions on emotional and difficult subjects. Muhammad Ali was also an amazingly articulate debater in this program. Very nice, thanks for sharing.
Father Berrigan did more than 6 years--Ali was black and as much as I love him he couldn't admit that a white man suffered more for civil rights than he ever did.
Apparently some liberals are not aware of this fact.
During the Reconstruction Era thousands of blacks were elected in the SOUTH under the Republicans. Democrats supported slavery and segregation right up until the 1960s. They BLOCKED civil rights legislation under Eisenhower.
@Aezaux Amazing such stupidity as yours still exists, but not surprising; blaming Ali for that which you clearly promote and espouse yourself. It's an old and tired tactic of the right, and we know all about you and the hypocrisy which you represent. You have not gotten away with anything. You will be exposed. You have been and are exposed here for the racist you are.
Whites freed the slaves. Why cant black people come to terms with that? They were freed by white men, 600,000 died to end slavery, and millions lost their arms/legs.
It is interesting how Ali can safely sit in a room full of whites and be on national TV and expect us to believe that whites are so oppressive and bad. It is even more ironic that with a black president, today, that many in the black community are trying to sell the same old message. I can't help but think that Buckley is amused by it all.
Your comment is ignorant, shallow, narrow & myopic. Here's a simple challenge: Get out from behind your computer screen, go to the nearest large American city, & walk down Martin Luther King Boulevard. Better, walk the residential side streets off of MLK, knock on a few doors & ask to be allowed into someone's home. Tell them you are doing research. Now: Compare someone from that same neighborhood doing the same thing in the wealthy white part of the same city & see what the results are. See?
He's just an obnoxious idiot with no self-control and a ridiculous ego. He makes these painfully simple analogies like he's revealing a profound truth. I bet this guy couldn't change a tire or do long division without help.
to that, I would say that Ali had intellect. Education is what he lacked. That he well held his own with all, didn't fumble for answers, shows he was not short of intellect.
@Grendo147 Idiot this is what I'm saying. We spell the word "color" the same as you "color"....but when used in a race sense we spell it "colour"...idiot.You are lost in ignorance so you make fictional statements, pose them as real, and then use them to win your arguments. Obama is Black and it tears you apart inside.
@itsallthesametothem
If –in your considered estimation– my being disengenuous (sic) implies that I secretly concede Buckley was an intellectual colossus, you are in error.
He was a clever chap that knew how to turn a phrase, and nakedly hostile to much that would pass for common human decency. True intellectual greatness is the result of more than simply aggregating facts and statistics. If that were not the case, then Kim Peek would rank foremost among modern minds.
bevanlurito 5 days ago
Rocky Marciano Ali - the word is "undefeated."
itsallthesametothem 5 days ago
Did you hear him say that his religious cohorts didn't allow white people in their meetings! Obviously, this smacks of racism. Catholics and other denonominations allow blacks and other races in their churches. It's called black racism, liberals, and he's no better than the KKK.
MrRickywallace 1 week ago
@LameassIndustries
How ably you demonstrate your ignorance.
The bizarre notion that William F. Buckley was anything other than a mean-spirited, last-gasp relic of the old-guard w.a.s.p. plantation owners is one that I find at once comic and lugubrious, quite a trick!
Republicans like to hold Buckley aloft as evidence that conservatives can "talk pretty."
To rank him among the greatest minds of our time is to discount the very idea of intellectual greatness.
I guess the joke is on you.
bevanlurito 1 month ago
@bevanlurito You are an absolutely disengenuous pain in the ass. If you can't see through the smoke of your own ideology that is fine. However, to discount the massive intellect and wealth of knowledge of Buckley is being assinine in the extreme. Who would you place on that list instead of Buckley (Here we go kids, Chomsky and the like). By the way, my list does include some liberal thinkers, but at least I am intellectually honest.
itsallthesametothem 5 days ago
Just imagine if Ali had a proper education and grew up with more educational opportunities. His genius clearly still shines through.
forevercold88 2 months ago 5
What a well articulate young man he was.
Jassurin85 2 months ago
Ali: You can't think of meetings that white folks have that Black folks can't go to?!
Buckley: No I can't.
Ali: You should be ashamed of yourself...Clan!
Buckley: huh... How can they tell?
lol
roryphelan 2 months ago
An ignoramus....
DrAvrington 2 months ago
This is like watching a show from Mars compared to what passes for "serious discussion" today. There's not one show today, on the left or the right, that is 10% as good as this show.
jobu88 2 months ago
I wish I could see the camera on Buckley at 2:39 to see what he said or what was on his face for that chuckle.
CaponeAl36 3 months ago
"...I got to think like this; I'm a victim of all this". Victim? Victim of what? Christ, what a hypocrite. Whether he ever acknowledges it or not Ali was part of the system that made him millions of dollars and gave him access to heads of state, the power brokers of the world, the rich and famous, and all the other things that come from being part of a system that rewards excellence. Victim my ass!
beeroosterm 3 months ago
Ali, a millionaire in the 60's-70's complaining about lack of opportunity and his hatred of the white power structure is one big fucking hypocrite.
beeroosterm 3 months ago
@beeroosterm You are such a fucking ignorant person I cannot express my contempt for you.
thesparitan 3 months ago
@thesparitan You already have, but since you say nothing else, your comment is really not worth anything. My comment stands up: Ali's hypocrisy is obvious to all honest people. If the white power structure was responsible for his "lack of opportunity", how did he get the opportunity to fight? In reality, his ONLY opportunity was available via the "WPS", and without it, he'd be...nothing. Ali was a great champion but he was no great intellect - and he failed to give America its due.
beeroosterm 3 months ago
@beeroosterm
First, I hope you realize the racist backdrop your comment undoubtedly comes from.
Second you can be a victim of a larger system while "benefit" monetarily from it (as if money is the sole end all be all). Case in point: During the Trans-Atlantic slave trade it paid to be a village chief and wage war on neighboring tribes so one could acquire slaves to sell. This "opportunity" to make money can hardly be looked at as beneficiary however. If you think it so, you need to reevaluate
Lethargic21 2 months ago
@Lethargic21 Christ, you can barely spell - much less communicate an idea. Go smoke some more weed and call me in a few years...
beeroosterm 2 months ago
@beeroosterm
The troll is strong in this one!
Lethargic21 2 months ago
@Lethargic21 We're all trolls. And Ali deserves being put in his place with respect to all you slobbering ass-kissers. His own racism deserves analysis...
beeroosterm 2 months ago
I don't agree with the concept of separation that Ali backed at this point but I'm impressed with how intelligent he was. Had he been educated to his potential he could have done anything.
maripocita37 3 months ago
Ali is not as dumb as I thought!
lourak 4 months ago
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@lourak Yes, he is - you're just too dumb to understand...
beeroosterm 3 months ago
@lourak Ali wasn't dumb at all.
schematalist 3 months ago
Even with a black president, race and culture is still a problem. I have seen the austerity and injustice (if not the danger of being poor and black in America). Frankly, it seems the only equalizer is going to be poverty! I am confident people are getting to a point that everybody comes from somewhere... its who you are and what you do that really counts.
darla1aeryn1fan 4 months ago
I just realized how my comment below was misread. I wasn't saying Blacks are speaking proper English, acting White. Some Blacks think if another Black speaks proper English "he is acting White". Anyways, Buckley states in his debate with James Baldwin that this is a complex topic which indeed it is. My assertion is that as long as minds & perceptions have not changed disparities will continue to exist and true equality will not be possible. That's it, I'm done!
kweju3 4 months ago
@kweju3, I agree with you. In our so called mult cultural society there is a place for all cultures but all multi culturalism really stands for is that everybody has to be the same...meaning a political correct consumer.
I don't believe in a multi cultureal society without rasicm. These are false ideals.
We need proud black, white and yellow people who are proud of their own culture and heroes.
Malcolm X and Ali where proud and wise black man.
bloemetjen 4 months ago
Ali, is a very intelligent humorist and as a white man I can totally agree with his battle for the black man.
It's a bloody shame that today there are not much heroes like King, James Baldwin, Malcolm X and Ali. Today a lot of black people seem to think that the best to achieve is being a pimp gangster rapper with baggy shorts and a lot of bling bling. A very bad exeample, I think.
I hope they rise up to the level of Baldwin, X, King and Ali.
bloemetjen 5 months ago 3
@bloemetjen We don't need these people anymore. Our society IS equal. All we need to do now is IGNORE skin color and race.
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 Yes, "these people" are needed now...more than ever. Our society is anything but equal. America is aware of the concept of equality but living up to it is the next challenge. We all suffer from a psychological enemy, "mindset", which is as tough as beating an addiction. And rather than ignore skin color and race, we should accept & appreciate them. Playing ego defensive mind games is what has created the morass we seek to escape.
kweju3 4 months ago
@kweju3 Please specify how our society is anything but equal. Seems to me there's equal opportunity for all Americans. (If you mean globally, however, I concede you have a point.)
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 Mindset. Black and White. Simply because a "form" of slavery ended doesn't mean its remnants don't continue to exist. Laws make changes on paper. The reality of American slavery is that it created beliefs, attitudes and behaviors that are played out daily by Whites and Blacks. Mentally enslaved Blacks still think straight hair is good hair, nappy hair undesireable; they use bleaching cremes to lighten their skin and be more acceptible; speaking proper English acting White (to them).
kweju3 4 months ago
@kweju3 Um...so you're saying that speaking proper English is not desirable for everyone? And it sounds from your response that you think we need another MLK to assure blacks that nappy hair is good. ???????? ROTFLMFAO!
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 Who am I speaking to? Do you know what mindset means? Those were examples. The problem goes deeper and has to do with values and self image. Some Blacks trapped in their own minds can not see the forest for the trees, having adopted negative beliefs (lies)about themselves. We need people who think out of the box, with foresight and vision. Judging from your answer, I don't think you have a clue what I'm talking about. Thus, the problem persists. You are a victim of your own beliefs.
kweju3 4 months ago
@kweju3 On the other hand, Whites think affirmative action is the only method for Blacks to compete with them scholastically; they did Blacks folks a favor by taking them out of a jungle and civilizing them (indeed, that civilization is a White thing); criminality such as "flash mobbing" is a part of the "Black community". Slavery's legacy. Opportunities exist but obfuscated by old beliefs that are slow to die. I'm not pointing fingers. It just is.
kweju3 4 months ago
@kweju3
May the rusty pestilent prick of Christ stab out the eyes of your mongolid progenitors you slovenly illiterate onanist. Eat the smegma of thy mental ineptitude from the wilted lobes of thine supreme ignorance. The putrid essence of your feeble drooling idiocy drips languidly from the anus of your vulgar and ruined maw. Those things you call teeth others name turds. To endure the stench of your yawning hole is a fate no villain has yet earned, garish attempts at ascendency be damned.
bevanlurito 3 months ago
is it not obvious that Ali was right and all of these idiots were wrong???? Hello?
bigman9099 5 months ago
Didn't know Ali could speak like a politician...
diavarezable 6 months ago
elijah mohammed has created a good puppet
fop221 6 months ago
i love Ali, but whenever I see him prosletize like this I am saddened by how that Racist Cult known as the NOI took such a hold of him
BigDaddyDJD 7 months ago
Wow. What a revelation this video is. I never knew Ali was such a racist bastard. I hope he's changed since then. After all, many of us white crackers were big fans of him. Speaking for myself, I never noticed or cared about the color of his skin.
ejsecco 7 months ago
@ejsecco Yeah I'm Shocked too
JohnTheHutDweller 7 months ago
had Buckley offered to sock Ali in the face, his tombstone would have read: Rest In Pieces! ;p
Lyric4lG4ngst4 8 months ago
@Lyric4lG4ngst4 No, it would have read "He Was Always Right, But Now He's Left"
SclafaniBagni 5 months ago
Wow, Ali spoke well here!
drstrangelove09 8 months ago
Next to Buckley, Mr. Clay really appears like the idiot he is.
thedavidwilson 9 months ago
@thedavidwilson That is so disrespectful, Davey Willey.
BoozyBeggar 8 months ago
he was such a quick wit. shame.
WintersWar 9 months ago
I would have loved to see Buckley interview Iron Mike!!!
7beers 9 months ago
Observe that Mr. Buckley refrained from offering to sock Mr. Ali in the goddamned face.
bevanlurito 9 months ago 84
@bevanlurito Please note that Ali refrained from engaging Buckley in any intellectual discourse.
beeroosterm 3 months ago
@beeroosterm
Highfalutin logorrhea does not intellectual discourse make. You demonstrate this admirably in your preceding comments. You could learn a lot from Mr. Ali.
bevanlurito 3 months ago
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@bevanlurito Is that all you perceive Buckley as demonstrating: highfalutin logorrhea? And I hardly demonstrate the same with merely 500 characters. Finally, I doubt that Ali knew what a crypto-Nazi was, anyway...
beeroosterm 3 months ago
@beeroosterm well the dude is a boxer, how intellectual of a discourse did you expect to see?
UtopiaMinor666 2 months ago
@beeroosterm Pleae note that Mr. Buckley is not capable of engaging in intellectual discourse.
paintpot2 2 months ago
@paintpot2 I believe you are being intellectually dishonest.
beeroosterm 2 months ago
@beeroosterm Buckley's no intellectual, he merely played one on T.V.
paintpot2 2 months ago
@paintpot2 No matter what you thought of his politics, he did indeed have a great mind and was second to very few public intellectuals; perhaps none. (Gore Vidal would have something to say over this)
beeroosterm 2 months ago
@beeroosterm I knew in high school Buckley was a psuedo-intellectual. Although I admit he does give the appearance of being extremely intelligent with his "nuanced" thinking, New England/British accent, and large vocabulary. Buckley fakes good.
Perhaps a "public intellectua"l but then we have very low standards in this country, see Chomsky and the role of media in our "democracy." Which reminds me of the show where Chomsky hands his ass to him.
paintpot2 2 months ago
@beeroosterm
You prove you haven't the slightest familiarity with the thing by insinuating that Mr. Buckley at some point engaged in it. The man was as much an intellectual as he was a professional boxer. Spouting tired right-wing cliches and only very slightly veiled racism does not constitute intellectual discourse.
Pizuzuzimmer 2 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer "Slightest familiarity"? This is a Monty Pythonesque invitation to have an argument, right? Fuck off, cornholer...
beeroosterm 2 months ago
@beeroosterm
No, it's not an invitation to an argument. It is akin to the delivering of a blow to the snout of an animal to make it cease its howling and go shit outside instead of on the carpet.
Pizuzuzimmer 2 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Buckley was an intellectual giant; Ali was out of his weight class - and it showed. That you defend him is telling regarding your general ignorance. You have an intransigent belief that Buckley was somehow less than what he is well recognized for while having a similar belief that Ali somehow belonged in the same room intellectually. And fuck you and your petty animal analogues...
beeroosterm 2 months ago
@beeroosterm
You can't read, can you? There are remedial classes for that, you should look into it. I didn't say a word about Ali. As to your opinion as to who is and who is not an "intellectual giant," you've already demonstrated that you do your thinking in a dog's voice, so your vote is safely discarded.
Pizuzuzimmer 2 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer The title of this video is "Muhammad Ali talks to William F. Buckley". Was Buckley speaking in a vacuum, or is that just the general condition of the contents of your head? You are the very definition of a troll. And since you like animal analogies so well, why don't you go lick the feet of your master Chomsky? Hell, you'll be able to experience his theories first-hand fairly soon, as Greece will experience anarchy in relatively short order. Grease up, Fido - here it comes!
beeroosterm 2 months ago
@beeroosterm
One cannot even call your thinking childlike, as it would have to develop considerably to make that grade.
Pizuzuzimmer 2 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Great comeback, ass-reamer...
beeroosterm 2 months ago
@beeroosterm
It would seem the dog is still barking. It may need to be put down.
Pizuzuzimmer 2 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Well, then put your poor mother out of her misery...
beeroosterm 2 months ago
@beeroosterm
The dog now claims to be a bitch. Well, the dog would know the nature of its genitals better than the rest of us, given how much time its face spends in their proximity.
Pizuzuzimmer 2 months ago
@bevanlurito I won't argue that Buckley is obviously one of the greatest intellectual minds of the modern era, but if you mean to tell me he could punch out Muhammad Ali, you are an idiot.
LameassIndustries 1 month ago
@LameassIndustries Buckley should have torn him to pieces intellectually for being a blace racist and draft dodger. That's more important than physically "punching him out."
MrRickywallace 1 week ago
What a ridiculous, narcissint, self-important fool. Buckley must have been laughing inside and just bursting to say what he should have said, but knew he would just waste his career away if he had ridiculed that fool.
thegreatfearblog 9 months ago
Hmmm, I wonder why Buckley didn't threaten to "sock" Ali "in his God damned face"? Long live Ali; Buckley can rot in hell, if there is one.
slamirez86 9 months ago
@slamirez86 Why would he? Buckley liked Ali.
TheTypicalGirl 9 months ago
Alright, two men who're very gifted with words, this should be good.
jerryhello100 9 months ago
@MrTruthAddict
volvo242tank 10 months ago
lol "black panthers war" aka "set up neighborhood watches and defend yourself against race-based crime"
zegermans750 10 months ago
Ali is so BEAUTIFUL!
Leila02124 10 months ago
just an outspoken, self-riteous, self-loving manchild. notice too how at the very end of the program he reaches over at buckley's papers and starts turning here and there, as if they were on HIS lap. not a shred of manners or decency. i would have gladly traded clay's life for dr. king or malcom x. either way america would have been better off. i will toast a glass of the best champagne i can find within an hour's time of the death of this evil savage.
volvo242tank 10 months ago
@volvo242tank Wow, what a piece of shit you are. I thought all of you cavemen had died off already. Cant wait until all of you have kicked the bucket. I remember the 60's and how minorities felt like second class citizens in their own country, because of idiots like you Times have changed pal, hurry up and die, will you...
MrTruthAddict 10 months ago
@volvo242tank not evil, just an indoctinated. To be evil you need a brain. So why do you think Mx and luther king were less bad? Because they had manners?
thegreatfearblog 9 months ago
This is why Muhammad Ali is the greatist boxer that ever lived.
nolaeast 1 year ago
i'm not racist but listen slavery for one reason and one reason only was good it brought millions of people from africa which is a shithole now to a superpower so thats 1 point so now its -1200 points watch alot of people troll because all they did was read the first part
theamericano33333 1 year ago
@theamericano33333 That's an idiotic statement. About 25% died during the voyage from Africa to the New World.
ScreamingEagle2010 11 months ago
@ScreamingEagle2010 25% died. That's rather worse to be sure than the inhumanity and cannibalism they forewent in their own continent. That's also worse than the depravity they subsisted in as well. But their offspring is in a far superior economic position to the Africans who stayed in Africa.
That's a point that cannot be disputed.
So neither point can be disputed but it's quite ironic that the only blacks we hear lamenting slavery are the ones who greatly benefited from it.
emerset 11 months ago
@emerset I'm not black.
ScreamingEagle2010 11 months ago
@emerset .
"the only blacks we hear lamenting slavery are the ones who greatly benefited from it"
Quite possibly the most idiotic statement I have ever read.
NoFearOfGod 11 months ago
@NoFearOfGod If you dislike a statement but can't refute it, don't be plebeian with your blind counter-attack. If that's your best response you've publicised your failure. You mock yourself.
emerset 11 months ago
@emerset Well then, perhaps you are sorry your ancestors were not captured, beaten, chained, transported thousands of miles to be owned as property, whipped, hobbled, denied the right to learn to read and write, lynched, bured and shot? Do you think you'd have "greatly benifited' from from your master being able to screw your mother any time he wanted and then kill the children like a lame horse?
You view history through a filter of racisim. This is evident. Thats what makes it idiotic.
NoFearOfGod 11 months ago
@NoFearOfGod The Ghanan & Nigerian nations took slaves. The Angolans & Tanzanians were mercenaries attacking and capturing other tribes to sell into slavery. In Sierra Leone in the 1800s 1/2 the population consisted of slaves. from the 1600s to early 1900s 1/3 of the population of the Ashanti, Yoruba, Kanem, & Fulani Jihad people were in fact slaves. The Sokoto population in Nigeria was half-slave in the 19th century.The entire population of the island Gozo was enslaved and sent to Libya in 1551
emerset 11 months ago
@emerset there is a difference in African and American slavery. African slaves were indentured for a specific period of time, were allowed to maintain their names and history whereas American slaves were stripped of their names, heritage, language, etc. and were indentured from birth to death. This was the true crime, because the black americans have no history and no idea of where they came from, their roots, their history. The two can not be equated.
Braindrain3 10 months ago
No African in Africa in the slave-trading days was given the opportunity to read or write.
When Europeans/Americans had a high market for African slaves, it was principally the stronger African tribes that captured the weaker neighbours to sell them to the merchants.
emerset 11 months ago
The Benin the Bambara and the Khasso empires' economies greatly improved through this. King Gezo of Dahomey said "The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth." The King of Bonny publically opposed the British abolition of slavery.
Slavery was morally unforgivable. It was contiously monstrous. And both sides actively capitalised on it.
emerset 11 months ago
I'd prefer it hadn't happened. But you do realise that the African Americans of today are far better off economically, educationally, & opportunistically to the African civilian in Africa.
Ive eloquated my statement. Now I can't be racist.
emerset 11 months ago
@emerset "In most African societies, there was very little difference between the free peasants and the feudal vassal peasants. Slaves of the Songhai Empire were used primarily in agriculture; they paid tribute to their masters in crop and service but they were slightly restricted in custom and convenience. These non-free people were more an occupational caste, as their bondage was relative."
The beginning of the wikiquote you used....
NoFearOfGod 11 months ago
@emerset What people in the world would not rather have their own culture, no matter how "backward" it seems to someone else? You equate running water with culture, you assume that technology equals better. How could a bunch of hunter - gatherers NOT want to be somewhere else?
Capture of prisoners in wartime is something all warring peoples have done. But only white people treated them as animals with the sanction of god. Who were they "selling" these slaves to? Other tribes or Europeans?
NoFearOfGod 11 months ago
@NoFearOfGod It depends on who they may have been enslaved by. I'm not sorry my ancestors were not captures by sub-Saharans because, given how backward that part of the world is, it would not have redounded to the credit of recent generations. Blacks can not say the same.
The charge of "racism" is the rhetorical scapegoat of the intellectual weakling. This is not because racism doesn't exist but because it doesn't matter. An opinion may be both racist and accurate.
TheTypicalGirl 9 months ago
@TheTypicalGirl Are you related to Sarah Palin? I have no idea what you are trying to say,
"Blacks can not say the same" is a racist statement.
"not because racism doesn't exist but because it doesn't matter" could only be said by someone who has never experienced racism. If you had lived as a slave you would understand why racism is very important. Racism is not dead. There are racists in the world today.
"An opinion may be both racist and accurate" A racist statement can never be accurate.
NoFearOfGod 9 months ago
@NoFearOfGod "A racist statement can never be accurate."
Black people tend to have darker skin than white people. Depending on one's definition of racism the preceding can be seen as a racist statement, and completely factual.
BoozyBeggar 8 months ago
@BoozyBeggar A personal definition of "racism" has no bearing on the factual definition of the word "racism", which is the belief that a person's traits and capacities are determined primarily by the "stock" people they originate from. defining it otherwise is making up your own meanings for the word, which would make any discussion pointless and confusing.
Since racism has been proven false by science, there can be no racist statement of factual value - because racism itself is not factual.
EdwardsComment 7 months ago
@EdwardsComment It seems to me like you don't understand the transitory nature of language, that there are no set-in-stone definitions and that a word can have multiple meaningsLanguage evolves. Republican means something completely different today than it did for Lincoln. Take a look at the word "spirit". Does it mean the essence of an idea, a high alcohol content beverage or a ghost?
BoozyBeggar 6 months ago
@TheTypicalGirl can you explain to me why racism doesn't matter?
QualityControlTV 9 months ago
HOW PROPHETIC ON 03:54.
ONE DAY WE'LL BE THE PRESIDENT
ELVIS4221 1 year ago
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MuteAndContinue 1 year ago
@MuteAndContinue you are sick
theamericano33333 1 year ago
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MuteAndContinue 1 year ago
@MuteAndContinue ?
theamericano33333 1 year ago
"I don't miss them, they miss me."
Kind of underscores the arrogance of Ali. For a modern reincarnation of this man see Kanye West.
l33tpwnzord 1 year ago
Maybe I'm just dating myself, but there will only be one, true, Heavyweight Champion of the World, and that man is, MUHAMMAD ALI .
Handsome, confident, intelligent, articulate, friendly, and a man of principle, who never let anything, or anyone, stand in the way of what he believed was right.
Oh, screw you, Mike Tyson.
skeilak 1 year ago
Racist,class-biased Buckley made sure to limit his interactions with Ali. He feared being shown up. Watch Buckley's debate with Baldwin. He really let the racial vomit flow, albeit in those honeyed terms he picked up in the expensive private schools here and abroad his piratical daddy purchased for him. Wonderful to see the great, self-assured young Muhammad Ali laying it out there in his crisp pure prose.
joblow696 1 year ago
@joblow696 Yes, fear is always the alibi for this kind of egregious behavior. It revealed his fundamentally bad character. The pedigree of this "emergency solution" is well known to all. Buckley was a fiendish homophobe till his last breath. A lifelong friend and political ally of his who came out of the closet was banished and never spoken to again. His diatribe against Vidal was filled with sputtering anti gay invective. He was a serious head case, a hater rooted in some kind of neurosis.
joblow696 1 year ago
In retrospect, it's sad to see and hear Buckley and these people interacting with Ali. As we know, this was 1968 and Ali eventually returned to the ring. Today he's unable to speak due to a form of Parkinson's Disease sustained from blows to the head from boxing. People still revere him, but he's a shadow of the beautiful, vital, spirited man he was then.
sohooded 1 year ago
OMG NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY MUHAMMAD ALI WAS A GREAT BOXER MOTHER FUKKKA HAS A BRAIN plus physical body ha ha ha,
aghahowa11 1 year ago
i need the whole thing
killwhitey88d 1 year ago
He's the greatest champion in the world.
slidebone 1 year ago
Beautiful, Thank you for sharing.
akilmosq24 1 year ago
"I wonder how you feel about the Black Panthers with domestic war"
White people are a trip.
xxSUMBLKGUYxx 1 year ago
Mesmerizing. I could watch both buckley and ali talk all day. Two masters.
hunterstl 1 year ago
Interesting that at 3:53 he mentioned that one day there will be a Black President. He didn't sound like he believed it would happen but it's interesting that 40 years later there was a Black President.
nvmarcus 1 year ago
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nothinelse2seehere1 1 year ago
@nothinelse2seehere1 What does any of your response even mean? Is English a second language for you? I can't believe you'd expect to be taken serious with that grammar and that syntax and horrific rambling.
sanchojds 1 year ago
@nothinelse2seehere1 What does any of your response even mean? Is English a second language for you? I can't believe you'd expect to be taken serious with that grammar and that syntax and horrific rambling.
sanchojds 1 year ago
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nothinelse2seehere1 1 year ago
@nothinelse2seehere1 very eloquently put. You must be a true scholar. Truly, is English your second language? They have programs for people like yourself. The only thing you've said that is so far correct, you said it in your last sentence, or what passes for a sentence. Let me quote: but in this case u asked for stupid.
sanchojds 1 year ago
@sanchojds peckerwood dont comment to me any more, get a life
nothinelse2seehere1 1 year ago
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sanchojds 1 year ago
@nothinelse2seehere1 Well, you finally wrote something out that I can understand. Thanks. The only thing I find funny is that while searching your vocabulary for the one right word that you think befits me, that it turned out to be a thirty year old catch-word. This is a text forum, chief, and to be taken seriously you have to be serious.
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nothinelse2seehere1 1 year ago
What made Firing Line a great program was the variety of his guest list( not only Muhammad Ali,but Groucho Marx,porn star Harry Reems,Karl Hess, Alexander Solzhenitsyn ,and his atmosphere of civilized verbal discussion--sometimes the talk was combative,but WFB rarely let the program sink into nastiness and a place for self promotion. Also,is there--even now,a place where,like on Firing Line one, can hear a discussion of a single issue for a full hour?
sleedolfine15 1 year ago
@sleedolfine15 You think BUCKLEY was not intersted in self-promotion? His whole life was spent posturing. He was a poseur hiding his truly ugly atavistic hateful philosophy behind a smokescreen of affected urbanity and smarmy unctuous charm. Read about his oh so civilized ideas during the height of the AIDS scre in the 80s. The vile thug wanted to tattoo the buttocks of AIDS patients so they'd be more easily identifiable. A little imagination will tell you what was coming next .
joblow696 1 year ago
@joblow696 As for WFB's self promotion,I doubt that the program would've lasted 20+ years had it not been about more than Buckley himself. I say this as someone who owns years of Firing Line episodes. In the early 80s,AIDS was a horrific epidemic with no treatment. His tattoo idea was an emergency measure to warn potential victims of carriers who CHOOSE to expose their sex partners to an assured death sentence without giving them warning. I don't agree with WFB's solution,but I understand it.
sleedolfine15 1 year ago
Does anyone know how one can see the whole interview? I heard that at one time ALi was speechless, and Buckley asked what was wrong. Ali answered, "YOu are quick" I wonder what they were talking ab out after the broadcast was over.
elnick1000 1 year ago
God bless, Muhammad Ali.
Say what you will, but that man was (and is) a class act, and a great American.
skeilak 1 year ago
I don't hear racism coming from this guy; even in 1968. He is completely frank and honest about his feelings and reactions. This was just four years after the 1964 Civil Rights Act was signed into law. Growing up, he saw and experienced some of the injustice and inequity he mentions. In interviews like this, he blew away the perception that he was punch drunk or inarticulate.
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Wow. I didn't know that muhammad ali was such a racist anti-white black nationalist. Doesn't surprise me that the films and biographies about him covered that up. And why on Earth did Bush give him an award at the White House? This demented lunatic deserves our scorn and condemnation.
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TaskForceSixTwoSix 1 year ago
Ali was surprisingly intellegent for a boxer. You might say too smart by half. The thing I have a problem with is that he grew up with money. His family wasn't poor, and America lovingly embraced him because he was a winner. Then he got mixed up with the idiot kooky nation of islam and learned to bite the hand that feeds. He had to have been moderating his rhetoric in this interview, or WFB would surely have administered a world championship style verbal knockout.
zadig1 1 year ago 3
His views have changed so much from this. Thank heavens. The nation of Islam hacked his brain. When he left them he became much more educated.
bfoaliali 1 year ago
ya ali is always so surprising, your always in for a treat, i love that man.
redblugreenjello 1 year ago
I'm a Buckley fan but I'm thinking about him threatening to punch Ali in the face...Ha
vanneo 1 year ago
I'm a Buckley fan but I'm thinking about him threatening to punch Ali in the face...
vanneo 1 year ago
LISTEN to Ali talk about a "someday Black President" and about what the reasons and dynamics might be if, ever, there were a conflict with people of Islamic faith and culture
Dionysos37 1 year ago
Ali, fresh as a daisy, the most serious soul in the room---and the questioner Jeff Greenfield is still hacking the airwaves today
Dionysos37 1 year ago
haha "one day we guna by the president" its true its happened
keithpaz 1 year ago
the entire white power structure then and now is still afraid of the black man as this silly show demonstrated.
JadeTomZ 1 year ago
@JadeTomZ actually, the black man is afraid of the white power structure.
JessAtlas 1 year ago
These were amazingly civil discussions on emotional and difficult subjects. Muhammad Ali was also an amazingly articulate debater in this program. Very nice, thanks for sharing.
macsm 1 year ago 2
I guess he was wrong at 3:55.
scottysmo88 1 year ago
It was a shock to me to find out that at one point Ali was co-opted by the KKK. I guess its a good testament to how confusing the 60's were.
lanser87 1 year ago
if you pause @ 6:40 and are able to forget all of his racist rhetoric, it looks like ali is in the middle of a fine italian aria
johnbourbon 1 year ago
I agree with your assessment. My only beef with the other user is that he is simply hypocritical with his approach to this the subject.
regelemihai 1 year ago
I agree with Ali. Seperation is the answer!
brettsir28 1 year ago
Father Berrigan did more than 6 years--Ali was black and as much as I love him he couldn't admit that a white man suffered more for civil rights than he ever did.
hopkins4545 1 year ago
wow, good old racist.
picopallasi 1 year ago
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Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.
Apparently some liberals are not aware of this fact.
During the Reconstruction Era thousands of blacks were elected in the SOUTH under the Republicans. Democrats supported slavery and segregation right up until the 1960s. They BLOCKED civil rights legislation under Eisenhower.
Now they have a new plan, it's called socialism.
AcePilot101 1 year ago
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AcePilot101 1 year ago
3:55 "One day we'll be the President" -- Amazing how distant that idea seemed back then; Ali lived to see its realization
geckoslick 1 year ago
Ali is a racist...and a coward.
Aezaux 1 year ago
@Aezaux
prove it.
jfuya2000 1 year ago
@Aezaux Amazing such stupidity as yours still exists, but not surprising; blaming Ali for that which you clearly promote and espouse yourself. It's an old and tired tactic of the right, and we know all about you and the hypocrisy which you represent. You have not gotten away with anything. You will be exposed. You have been and are exposed here for the racist you are.
bapyou 1 year ago
Whites freed the slaves. Why cant black people come to terms with that? They were freed by white men, 600,000 died to end slavery, and millions lost their arms/legs.
Haaggus 1 year ago
william f. buckley was a parasitic worm of a man..... a leech.
feeneythefiend 1 year ago
It is interesting how Ali can safely sit in a room full of whites and be on national TV and expect us to believe that whites are so oppressive and bad. It is even more ironic that with a black president, today, that many in the black community are trying to sell the same old message. I can't help but think that Buckley is amused by it all.
Entropy56 1 year ago
Your comment is ignorant, shallow, narrow & myopic. Here's a simple challenge: Get out from behind your computer screen, go to the nearest large American city, & walk down Martin Luther King Boulevard. Better, walk the residential side streets off of MLK, knock on a few doors & ask to be allowed into someone's home. Tell them you are doing research. Now: Compare someone from that same neighborhood doing the same thing in the wealthy white part of the same city & see what the results are. See?
bapyou 1 year ago
Do you have any information about a study of this nature that has been conducted in the US? Or am I supposed to take any scenario at face value?
regelemihai 1 year ago
@bapyou Hahahahah!!!
Entropy56 1 year ago
He's just an obnoxious idiot with no self-control and a ridiculous ego. He makes these painfully simple analogies like he's revealing a profound truth. I bet this guy couldn't change a tire or do long division without help.
jhop9898 1 year ago
Good interview lol. Ali had charisma to make up for his shortcomings on intellect.
Haaggus 1 year ago
@Haaggus
to that, I would say that Ali had intellect. Education is what he lacked. That he well held his own with all, didn't fumble for answers, shows he was not short of intellect.
crosscatch 1 year ago 3
@crosscatch Well, I mean he said the word "penicillem" instead of penisillin
Haaggus 1 year ago
@Grendo147 Watch the interview.He disowns his blood
jetdatboy 1 year ago
@Grendo147 Idiot this is what I'm saying. We spell the word "color" the same as you "color"....but when used in a race sense we spell it "colour"...idiot.You are lost in ignorance so you make fictional statements, pose them as real, and then use them to win your arguments. Obama is Black and it tears you apart inside.
jetdatboy 1 year ago