with my life comes my death. i am strong-minded enough to accept this cyclic meaning to life. when i die, my brain dies. when my brain dies, everything that makes me ryan, dies..i then become fertilizer. this fertilizer then gives nutrients to existing life. the humility of this is beautiful. it's a simple, obvious truth, and i embrace it, i do not resent or fear it.
Your very first statement is dead wrong. Atheists do not believe in a god or gods. THAT IS ALL. That is the only 'atheist view'. Atheism does not touch any other subject. Why is that such a hard concept for the religious to grasp?
Woah, woah, woah. Atheism has absolutely NOTHING to do with evolution or belief systems about the meaning of life. It is nothing more than a lack of a belief in any god or gods. It has no other content; it is not a philosophy. You are criticizing atheism for something that it is not designed to do. Most atheists accept evolution, but certainly not all and it is certainly not a requirement. For me personally, the mystery, vastness, and magnificence of nature is plenty enough to inspire me.
Just answer the question; what is the purpose of life in YOUR mind?
Or i could equally ask it in another form (to avoid the irrelevant "parent" analogy): What is the meaning of existence?
Why did God decide to create anything?
If God was perfect, he wouldn't have any wants, any needs, any motive to DO ANYTHING. Again, IF, IF God is perfect, he COULDN'T do anything because any change to perfection would be admitting that whatever was before the change was imperfect...
@Wittgensteinism You are wrong a Perfectionist by nature would create things to perfect them simply out of their will to do so not their need. I create songs simply because of the Joy it brings constructing them. The songs don't alter me in anyway some I keep and others I delete or trash. the ones I keep they are "Saved" the others are lost forever.
@Bodhitharta Yea, but if you're saying God is a "perfectionist" than he still isn't perfect.
A perfectionist, by definition, cannot be perfect, since he will be continuously seeking perfection, and obviously you can only seek perfection if you AREN'T already perfect. If you WERE already perfect, you wouldn't have to seek perfection, and thus, wouldn't be a perfectionist.
But that aside (your entire argument that is), i really only want a GENUINE answer to the question, "What is the POINT?"
@Wittgensteinism Of course God is perfect how can you not be perfect if you decide what is perfect? The point of life is to achieve God Consciousness this in turn will allow the person to save his consciousness and be able to act freely throughout time creating and enjoying creating. Those who do not strive for right action will be like those in a job that get "Fired" while those who do well get a "Raise"
@Bodhitharta "how can you not be perfect if you decide what is perfect?"
Well, it's logically possible. I, for example, could decide that living drug & alcohol-free would be perfect, and yet i could still not be living my own standard of perfection.
However, you seem to be saying something much more than that. It sounds like your saying that not only does God decide what is good and judges himself on only his standard, but that God makes that stardard to fit whatever he already is...
@Bodhitharta I just wanna know, since you made a video about at and all, what is YOUR meaning of life? What is it about the theist's meaning of life that is so much more meaningful than an atheists?
You already said atheism can't have any meaning to life, but if you don't wanna fall victim to your own criticism, then i'll have to hear SOMETHING that makes theism sound more meaningful.
So what is the purpose of existence?
To worship God? Was he lonely? Insecure? Depraved? Evil?
@Wittgensteinism The purpose of existence is to continually grow, learn and exercise the consciousness it is like sex who really ever wants to give it up but the atheist is giving it all up. I 'm not giving anything up. I want to love you, I want to create something for others it is the drive of life itself. Atheism is the suicidal position
You're diggin yourself a deeeeep hole on this one buddy..
Let's, once again, assume for the sake of argument that atheism = no meaning to life.
I won't even go into the differences of objective vs subjective meaning, but i would like to know, what possible meaning is there in a Theist worldview? Please tell me how a theist's position is any more meaningful than an atheist's.
Is the meaning of life to satisfy God's wants? Were we really just created to worship an all-powerful Deity?
@Wittgensteinism Ask yourself what is the meaning of life to having children were they really created to have no guidance, education, love or rules? What happens when we don't give children anything? The die. Understand?
@Bodhitharta I understand the meaning of all the words you used, however i fail to find your response coherent. You've done nothing but dodge every question i've posed to you.
In your analogy, the reaon i RAISE my kids a certain way i.e. educating them etc. is because it is what is best for them---what will be the best chance at happiness for them. This doesn't answer the question why i CREATED my kids; why i chose to have them in the 1st place.
The meaning of any life is wholly contextual to that single persons life. If you don't know somebody and have no knowledge of their life or how they lived it you cant TRULY have any context to whether the life or death had any meaning. The assumption is that it did. But did it? How would you know? the concept of Meaning is contextual to how it impacted your own life experience.
@MaxFlo I am talking about the meaning of death to the Atheist if their assumption of no God is correct. In that context life will suddemly leave you and no matter what you did it would not mean a thing because you will ultimately not matter
@Bodhitharta Yo. This is maxflo. I'm signed in to my other account. OK. I get what you mean here. My coment on that would only be that all that would really matter would be any impact you had on other people or the society/ community you lived in. It would have no meaning outside of that. you lived and you died. Like billions of other humans through history.
I believe when you die you simply cease to be. And I'm ok with that. I'm ok with my life having no meaning in a greater context.
@AGreenHell If your life has no meaning in the greater context how can it have meaning in the lesser context even your impact on anyone else would ultimately mean nothing at all since eventually all would cease to be, Anything you do good or bad would have the exact same value 0 although you could pretend that it did but why would you? If you really believe there is no God, No Judgement then there is no Value
I watched the video again. I'm not sure I agree that Evolution doesnt account for logic. I think that because we evolved the ability to form logic that evolution proves it does account for logic. To me Evolution is pure logic.
And I think it is perfectly in line with atheist thinking that life is filled with logic and philosophy. I believe that is the entire meaning of life. To fill life with those 2 very concepts. You seem to see atheism exactly the opposite. which is ok as to me as well.
@AGreenHell This is the problem with what you stated, any type of evolution requires logic first not after because it is occuring through DNA which is for all intent of this conversation a logic program it takes original logic or intent to direct such a program. When I say there is no evolution I am only talking about Macroevolution I am not talking about the evolution of Kinds of things, I'm just saying this kind does not become that kind. Biblically each according to its own kind.
@Bodhitharta No you don't have to be an Evolutionist to be an Atheist. Many people lose their faith before even studying Evolution, Some just don't care and live this life in the percent. the pope accept evolution does that make him a Evolutionist?What about some atheistic Religions that don't worship a God or Gods? are they Evolutionist? We don't have a presence in this world , it is what you make out of it.
I think you have your terms really mixed up. Atheism isn't a worldview. You do understand there are so called Christians that believe in atheism, and that there are atheists who don't subscribe to evolution, right?
if you listen to the claims of the guy in this video you can easily see that it doesnt make sense. its like a pastor in a church attempting to explain something by using a biblical passage thats totally unrelated. this video is utter nonsense. its author obviously hasnt thought these things through and has no understanding of what he's attempting to explain.
you claim "the atheistic meaning of death is that anything a person does in life only a product of evolution." thats total horse shit. the two things have nothing to do with each other. what death means to atheists is an observable biological end of human consciousness. atheists believe what appears to be the truth: that human consciousness is biologically initiated, contained and sustained. you attempt to define "death atheistically" then go on to talk about things that arent even related.
there is an explanation of how living things exist but there is no philosophical position as to why. there is no purpose of still birth or babies born with aids into famine. "the meaning of life" is an arbitrary philosophical position period. i cant say what life means to you but you can. you cant say what life means to me. i can say that the existence of living things doesnt indicate the existence, design or purpose of a god. death is the end of life. thats what i means bilogically.
not all atheists "believe in evolution" . the reason for philosophical positions like "god is real" is the alternative: reality. god is primitive superstition. something that allows ppl to "explain" things without actually explaining them. as in "thunder comes from the hammer of thor". you claim to know that a god is real , not knowing that you cannot.. why? you cannot claim knowledge of the existence of anything thats indistinguishable from things that dont exist. that is an outright lie
I believe in evolution, but I also believe in what I call "soul" or "energy" you could call it God, but my definition of God is different. I believe God is infinite, and therefore all is God, and God is all... so I am God... you are God... etc. As evolution is a scientific theory and only involves the observable physical world it cannot be extrapolated that evolution discounts the idea of God or "soul," though it may refute the idea of creationism specifically...
AIDS HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, originated in non-human primates in and was transferred to humans during the late 19th or early 20th century. is closely related to a virus found in chimpanzees and we are bery closely related to the chimp ...well you do the math
Your first point made is wrong. Not all atheists believe in evolution.
The atheist way of thinking of death is one with MORE meaning then a Christian life I would say. An atheist realizes THIS is the only life he's going to get and he's making the best out of it. THAT has more meaning then seeing this life as a "passthrough" life onto a next.
There is no such thing as an "atheistic philosophy", atheism is ONLY the lack of belief in a god. Two atheists could be worlds apart on all other views.
No it is correct because either you believe life was created or it evolved. Atheist don't believe it was created so they believe it evolved come'on student don't be so ridiculous! If you are an atheist there is no meaning because there is no judgement of meaning that matters. Don't be scared of what you really believe. Either live your life amorally or become religious otherwise you are wasting your life being luke warm
your wrong and heres why. either believing life was created or it evolved is not a true dicotomy. you can say you dont know. the two, in theory, should be totaly seperate from each other.
in reality however with the publication of origin, and the evidence which backed its claims, the truthood of the claims made in the bible were examined and questioned with deeper rigor.
while i wouldnt say evolution leads to atheism i would say that ignorance leads to religions.
i never said atheists are redeemed from ignorance. and even if i did there are always exceptions to rules.
i said that evolution doesnt lead to atheism but ignorance leads to religion. if your incredibly ignorant of science, mathematics and other forms of knowledge you would be more open to the kind of arguments most people laugh at. like argument from design.
your right. i dont get it. i dont get when every single person in your comments section is agreeing that you dont NEED to be an evolutionist to accept atheism yet you still insist on defending a position which is clearly wrong.
its just like your defiant stance against the basic principles of probability theory in your other video's, everyone on the comments is saying your wrong, surely that must mean something.
also for someone so ignorant of basic math to bring up the theory of everything...
Everyone can think I'm wrong but the odds are only as much as 50% because in the end I can only be right or wrong. Do you understand that or not? If you play the lottery along with a million people which of you have a greater chance of winning and if one of the people win the lottery what advantage did they have over you?
iv sent you a personal message detailing the basics of probability theory. as for the chances in a lottery, all are equaly likely. but there not all 50%.
probabilities go from 0 to 1. and the sum of all the possible events, lottery tickets probability of winning, in the sample space, all possible lottery tickets, must be 1 because ONE of the combinations of numbers for the lottery must be right. This ticket doesnt nessesarily have to be purchased by anyone though.
@Bodhitharta someone obviously doesnt understand probability . just because there are two possible outcomes for a given situation doesnt mean its a 50/50 chance . and the odds of winning the lottery are set at 1 in 200,000 , regardless of how many people play
@Bodhitharta technically the chance that you are right is much, much lower than 50%. there is an endless amount of possible answers and to only give 1 or 2? always check your working
... even if the theory of everything were correct it still doesnt prove any sort of design. this is the same argument as look the universe follows certain laws...therefor god. the reason why no-one falls for this crap is because even if it were an argument for god, it wouldnt be your god, it would be a nebulus wishy-washy deistic god.
why would god make virus's to get his most precious creations sick?? i really hope that the REAL god will fck you up for spewing the lies of men who lived thousands of years ago.
You really dont need to be talking about logic, and reason. Your meaningless existence is tragic. You have outsourced all your "purpose" to an invisible force that exist outside space and time... lol in other words non-existent. You purpose is your own fool, you choose it with every choice you make. Like choosing to display gross ignorance to the world via youtube.
Do you even hear yourself rant? Why would you assume that atheists think that there is no meaning to life? Just because YOU need some imaginary sky daddy to tell you what the purpose of your life is doesnt mean everyone does. We get meaning from ourselves.
Don't dance around the issue of what "ALL Knowing" means. He has to know the past, present *and* future, which means he knows what I will choose before I do. Unless you are claiming God himself is also subject to the anthropic quantum level indeterminance of knowing both at the same time.. which precludes knowing *either* choice, and thus makes God a limited creature.
The future is always in flux, choices change outcomes and therefore ALL KNOWING is knowing all events as they are and as they occur. Potential futures are not actual futures if they were God would not teach people how to repent from a potential hell to experoence an actual heaven. Your future is set one way now but if you would be determined to make different choices it will also alter that future. Understand?
What does "knowledge of the persons determination" even mean? Do you mean what that person is likely to do, or what has been dtermined (in other words, predestined) for that person?
Omniscience means knowing before hand. If God is not omniscient, then he is also not omnipotent or omnipresent.
It still leaves free will as a solipsistic illusion. You only imagine you have free will.
To put it another way, it isn't that God is incapable of knowing, he can't allow himself to know.
Omniscient simply means All Knowing. To know All is to be in a contexually present condition. You always have free will and it is in that context in which you are judged, do you not understand what I am saying? God knows what you have in your mind and when you change your mind, God Knows ALL. Are you familiar with physics and quantum observation in which the results change when observed?
Omniscience does not violate freedom of choice or knowledge. Knowledge is only knowledge when it something becomes known therefore when a choice is made God knows it and does not lack knowledge in anything. Also God knows what choice will be made according to the knowledge of the persons determination.
monkeysign123, put an Atheist in that boat and see if he doesn't start devising ways to move that little boat and contact help with whatever he has 'cause he sure as shootin' doesn't think prayer is gonna do one damn bit of good 'cept waste time.
atheism does not equal evolutionism. yes the majority of atheists base this decision around the theory of evolution and it's evidence that bebunks creationism, but some atheists simply believe that there is no god, without believing that evolution is a fact. it is unfair to lump all atheists together. also, have you ever thought about what rational thought is? what is it that allows humans to "think rationally"? may i ask how you know that god exists? (please don't be offended by that question!)
Under the Christian mantra, I have been created by an all-knowing God. My birth was his decision, as was my death. I have "free will" but if I don't choose "his" plan for me, then I will be tortured forever. I am a skeptic by nature and he knew how I'd turn out. He therefore intentionally created me with the full knowledge that I would burn forever in hell. And this is the "meaning" that my life has under your dogmas? No thanks.
Tell me, what is the point of life if god is true? He "loves" us and wants us to "find" him, so why doesn't he only make believers? The "free will" thing has obviously sent many to hell, so why not amend it? 3/4's of all people created never find him. He KNOWS this. He DOES NOT fix this. He continually makes people with the full knowledge they are going to hell. This is the "perfect" "loving" god.
What does God learn about me in the 70 years I shuffle around the planet, going through the motions? I'm supposed to "find" him? But he already knows whether I will or not. So why not off me today? Same for you. You're obviously pious, so why not call you up immediately? How about a still-born kid? How come they never get their "shot" at life? Under your "god" life is like a bad tv re-run that He has seen a billion times. Under your "god" life truly would be pointless.
You misunderstand. God doesn't decide for you what you will do, God knows what you will do according to what you are doing. To be all knowing means to know all outcomes of all choices not the choices themselves.
So you've basically just stated that God "learns", because he adds to his knowledge as new data becomes available. Therefore, he DOESN'T hold all knowledge. That's something that many Christians will disagree with you on. Plus, I thought God has a "plan" for me. That suggests not only knowing what will happen in my life, but orchestrating it. So again, I repeat, God has made me (actually the majority of people) so that we end up burning in hell. Some god!
Your mistaken! To learn is not to lack but to be always aware. Information doesn't become knowledge until it becomes actual. God knows All that is. God does have a plan for you that is why HE sent prophets and gave you scripture to learn. But, you orchestrate your life for good or bad. If you go to hell it is because of your own determination because it is always predetermined who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. What are you determined to do?
What this means is the variables are already set, so if you decide to violate the process, then you are determined to be rewarded for whatever you are doing whether it be for good or for bad. As I said, It is already pre-determined who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. WHAT IS YOUR DETERMINATION?
Circular reasoning does not answer the question in the light of true free will. If free will is truth, then God can't know where we will end up and if he does know, then there is no true free will. Can't eat your cake and have it, too.
Agreed. I don't believe in ultimate meanings. That was my point. The point is you have conflated ultimate meaning with meaning. And likewise with reason. Rationality requires people to give grounds for beliefs. Not necessarily appealing to a single Platonic form of truth. That is classic Parmenidean mysticism.
False. Some atheists reject evolution. Some atheists believe in an afterlife as well. I'm not one of them however.
You're on a slippery slope here. I can't speak for all atheists, but my life has meaning, I just understand that that meaning is subjective. "I know that god is real" is also a philosophical position believe it or not. According to your own argument that also equals zero.
Yes and the "God" position is likened to waiting in the line of your favorite roller coaster. You don't value your life as you should because you believe you are going to live for all eternity. Life to you is a waiting room. You say you "know" god exists when you merely believe he exists.... You can't KNOW anything without evidence. Accepting the first answer you are given that encompasses everything. Not seeking to know more about the world. That is the true definition of intellectual suicide.
The only "meaning" or "path" life has is to exist, and also to maintain the existence. Death is the end of all meaning. What is life? Life is a coincidence.
Why would life "want" to maintain itself? Either life has Purpose or it has no meaning whatsoever, not even to maintain itself. If it has a purpose it was made with intent and intent needs a Creator i.e. God in that case.
If you, and your existence, and all that kind of things didn't want to exist you could without hesitation kill yourself at any moment and you would not have a will to survive.
I don't know why we want to keep our existance, maybe there is no reason, that would describe some things that occur in this world.
If I do not exist eternally after death, then can not it be said that the universe itself is entirely fake or illusory? Because without your observation, let's be honest, everything is nonexistant is it not?
But as an atheist pinoccio says, "I am only a wooden puppet you ignorant blue fairy, I could never ever be a REAL boy."
I love how because something isn't all sunshine and happiness and the way you want it is has to be a suicidal view.
Yes it would be a nice thought to think that an all powerful being would have my back and even would assure my continued existence in one form or another after i die. But i know that thats stupid, it was nice to believe i was a pirate when i was a kid, that doesn't make it so.
There's a difference between what we want to believe and what's realistic to believe.
You got too many things wrong to list them all here in this little answer box. But well yes, right, there is no objective meaning in life. You can't put "life" into a formula and suddenly get the meaning. But each individual can have his/her goals for his own. Atheists are not forced to spend their lifes worshiping an imaginary being. Actually they respect life so much more because they know there is no immortality, as believers think.
Most atheist believe in evolution. They don't believe in an afterlife. The Neanderthal (ape-like human)burried items in their graves anticipating the afterlife. According to achaeologists and evolutionists this is true. Could an atheist who is an evolutionist put these two together to justfy the notion of an afterlife? Keep in mind based on this-There was no religion around the time of the Neanderthal man, so this concept of afterlife for the apeman had no religion influence.
The phrase "the atheistic meaning of life" makes no sense. People who are not theists vary greatly in what they believe about the meaning of life from individual to individual.
A nihilist's perspective on life and death isn't going to be the same as an extentialist's view on life and death.
The fact that you think there is such thing as an "atheistic perspective" on anything except for god is simply laughable. It just shows your ignorance.
"The atheistic meaning of death is that anything someone does in life is only a product of evolution and never a product of spirituality or reason, or rationality, and never a product of logic. Because evolution does not account for logical behavior."
You should read that again, Bodhitharta, and then tell me if you still agree with what you said in the video.
Evolution is not progressive? Please explain yourself on that one.
So you say that adapting to an environment in order to survive better is not progressive? As the theory goes, we have come from single-celled organisms to these very complex creatures that we are now. How is that not progressive?
Are you sure you know what evolution is? To say evolution is not progressive is to say that mathematics doesn't deal with numbers.
You must not understand that the theory of evolution is not "progressive" The theory does not even suggest that evolution occurs with "intent" The theory is based upon random mutation and biological viability in other words if it survives it remains, this is not progressive.
If we go to heaven after we die, and this life is just a "warm up" or something, that kinda takes meaning from this life, doesn't it ?
If this is the only life you were given, then live it. You don't get another chance. Don't spend your time praying to some being who might or might not be there, rather go out and see the world for what it is.
That is real proof that you can see and feel. How did God begin? God didn't begin "to be" God is "to be" It is like asking does existence exist it is axiomatic.
If God is eternal, then how does he intervene with our lives?
Maybe something outside of time did start everything, but if it is outside of science, then I'm not going to have a strong belief on the subject, because that is just faith.
God is not outside of time, God transcends time. Science is simply the study of knowledge including the study of God or the science of Godliness. If a person accepts good and evil then a person also by default accepts the study of such things as scientific and just like the science of planets or other things we increase our knowledge and understanding through the application of the science of Godliness.
That's just your opinion. And to back up jacket10101, evolution is beautifully progressive. What YOU meant o say is it has no long term goal. That is true. Get over the fact that the universe doesn't know or care about our existence. Enjoy this life now.
If it has no Goal it has no "purpose" to be prgressive or regressive it would be simply blind and yet to understand evolution that way would be troubling to you because of the obvious non-randomness of life and nature.
It does not trouble me at all. Nature has laws, we wouldn't be here if it didn't, so why say God did it? You're infected with religion. You can't see that nature is just natural by its very name. No intelligent designer is needed. Evolution just happens.
Are you atheist because of distaste of religion? Do you believe relgion has bred atheism because relgion has not explained the meaning of life, origin of life, or why world conditions are the way they are? Two atoms floating in the universe don't just appear there there has to be a source. What gives an animal the instinct to fatten up for he winter because they know they have to hibernate? The neanderthal man burried items with him at death. So he believed in an afterlife. There was no religion
I am an atheist because I see no reason to believe in a personal God; there is no evidence.
I dislike religion because it controls, is essentially a dictatorship, arrogantly claims to have knowledge that we absolutley cannot have and gives false promises.
We are all born atheists, so atheism must have made religion to supplement the lack of understanding of the world. Now we are discovering more about it, religion is not needed.
Evolution explains an animal's instincts very well.
Neaderthal Man burying items with him at death probably happened because he didn't know where he was going. Neanderthals were the height of biological intelligence so I'm sure they acknowledged death.
I agree, an atom can't come from nowhere and I don't think that is ever claimed. We can't possibly fathom what started our universe, so I'm not going to label that gap a God that hhumans are on speaking terms with. That's arrogance
I'm atheist. I love life. I love root beer. I love ice cream. I love music. I love art, movies, books, magic, and South Park. Meaning to life? To me, it's "Enjoy it while you can"
Your whole position can be summed up as "I don't agree with your views of life and death, therefore it is wrong." You add several straw men along the way.
Atheism is freedom. Atheism is rationalism. Atheism is intellectual power. Atheism rejects the notion that we are all pawns of some supernatural "being". A "being" who seems to have been on vacation the past 2000 years, refusing to show his "Son" to a society that is far more advanced and logical than the society he supposedly showed himself to all those years ago.
Sure, unless you live in a third world country, our society is far more advanced and logical than those of 2000 years ago. We have science to refute anything that could possibly be true in relation to deities. War? Sure there's war, although it seems the major war nowadays is due to Religion(US Pro-christian presence in Islam Holy Land). Has work become easier? Of course. Is there any famine worldwide? Yes, in select third world countries, perhaps Jesus should come down and end famine?
Stoicism: the belief that events can be categorised as "good," "bad," or "irrelevant," meaning events that are good for us, bad for us, or which we cannot affect in any way or manner; stoic philosophy is completely secular and teaches that we should enjoy good events, try to defeat or diminish bad events, and endure irrelevant events as best we can. When you say: "(s)he is being stoic," you mean (s)he endures a painful condition without making a fuss.
actually according to evolution each beings purpose is to pass their genes to another generation.... but humans are so over evolution already, actually the only ones that have this purpose now are animals...everyones priority now its to be happy now..... o yeah except for christians who just wanna please their magical flying pussyfoot.... by the way i went to heaven and i saw no god and not all atheist believe in evolution
Is it so unbelievable that life has no meaning? Are you scared to accept that you're just an animal? Philosophy, for all it's intrigue, is comparable to chasing one's tail.
Who is claiming that he understands something of which he doesn't have the least idea? Who is the one telling everybody that those who don't share his belief couldn't have any meaning in their lives? Who is the one who doesn't respect other ones convictions?
I've always respected your convictions, and I'll be very happy if they can give a sense to your life. So who is the arrogant here? me? huh...
A) You are wrong, eveolution does account for illogical behaviour and frankly I dont think you would be capaple of understanding if I tried to explain it.
B) You need god to give you meaning? What gives GOD meaning then? To make us? That is simply illogical. And please dont give me that "To understand the will of god..." crap.
A) You are wrong, eveolution does account for illogical behaviour and frankly I dont think you would be capaple of understanding if I tried to explain it.
B) You need god to give you meaning? What gives GOD meaning then? To make us? That is simply illogical. And please dont give me that "To understand the will of god..." crap.
Wrong, actually. Most every scientist in the world agree that, while we don't know everything, we do know quite well that evolution and natural selection are facts.
Watch out Bodi, to tell in the same sentence that "faith has nothing to do with the existence of GOD" and that "you have faith in god because god exists" will not help people to stop laughing at you... ;)
The reason of your faith is your wished existence of god, whether it's "in" or it's "that"...
Using the same argument as yours (and just to show that your argument isn't an aurgument)I don't have faith in any god because no god exists...
Hitler was christian and every german soldier had on his belt "Gott mit uns" (God with us), so I could tell you : did you see what your God made him do??? but it's senseless... who could say he did what he did because he was christian...??? (even as an atheist, I won't).
Each religion/ideology has its extreme side but that wasn't the point of my question, if you could please answer to it, it will be nice...
Who is saying life has no meaning? YOU are thats who. Speak for yourself. Just because someone does not believe in god gives you no authority to say the dumb shit you say man. I hope you do not teach this ignorance to your children. The bible is flawed just like all other religions. Period. Explain that!! You can't so don't even try. Let people have there own thoughts just like you have yours. Your thoughts are not superior. I mean you are not even smart enough to word your stupid points
you do not know god is real that is why it is called faith. Man you church losers are the biggest hypocrites, I swear. Suicide, what the hell are you talking about. All atheist are not revolutionists. Life still has a point asshole, memories, friends, what you left behind such as kids, accomplishments. So basically you have FAITH in god because you are afraid your pathetic life means nothing and your kids. So if there were know god you would not be concerned for your offspring huh? JackAss!
You miss my point! The fact is that your memories will mean nothing when you die(according to you) therefore, the memories you have mean nothing while alive. Understanding that God has purposed you to have memory and meaning and that is to excel in goodness which requires consciousness and that development is not wasted at death it is resurrected, therefore those who do not excel in good shall face a painful punishment at resurrection and the fault will be their own. There is no god but God.
memories will mean nothing when you die therefore, the memories you have mean nothing while alive? WRONG. my memories mean a lot to me. i dont need to believe in god to have meaning and purpose in my life.
Understanding that God has purposed you to have memory and meaning and that is to excel in goodness which requires consciousness and that development is not wasted at death it is resurrected?
WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN??? ur just throwing big words around!!!
but i am alive. therefore meaning has not ended yet. if what you were saying made any sense, i would see its meaning. unfortunately it doesnt make any sense, therefore i cant understand it meaning.
and just to be perfectly clear, its not what ur talking about that doesnt make sense. its just that the words u used are in an order which makes it extremely difficult to understand what u actually ARE talking about.
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The hardest thing to do in life is to be yourself. If you can do that you will know that God exist.
209Hmooblis 5 months ago
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The hardest thing to do in life is to be yourself. If you can do that you will know that God exist.
209Hmooblis 5 months ago
No, you DONT know that god exists... you BELIEVE, nothing more, nothing less.
turtle5181 10 months ago
@turtle5181 Do you believe that it is possible for you to know what someone else does or doesn't know?
Bodhitharta 10 months ago
with my life comes my death. i am strong-minded enough to accept this cyclic meaning to life. when i die, my brain dies. when my brain dies, everything that makes me ryan, dies..i then become fertilizer. this fertilizer then gives nutrients to existing life. the humility of this is beautiful. it's a simple, obvious truth, and i embrace it, i do not resent or fear it.
itzahazylife 1 year ago
Your very first statement is dead wrong. Atheists do not believe in a god or gods. THAT IS ALL. That is the only 'atheist view'. Atheism does not touch any other subject. Why is that such a hard concept for the religious to grasp?
theShadow117 1 year ago
Woah, woah, woah. Atheism has absolutely NOTHING to do with evolution or belief systems about the meaning of life. It is nothing more than a lack of a belief in any god or gods. It has no other content; it is not a philosophy. You are criticizing atheism for something that it is not designed to do. Most atheists accept evolution, but certainly not all and it is certainly not a requirement. For me personally, the mystery, vastness, and magnificence of nature is plenty enough to inspire me.
love153040game 1 year ago
Just answer the question; what is the purpose of life in YOUR mind?
Or i could equally ask it in another form (to avoid the irrelevant "parent" analogy): What is the meaning of existence?
Why did God decide to create anything?
If God was perfect, he wouldn't have any wants, any needs, any motive to DO ANYTHING. Again, IF, IF God is perfect, he COULDN'T do anything because any change to perfection would be admitting that whatever was before the change was imperfect...
Do you understand THAT?
Wittgensteinism 1 year ago
@Wittgensteinism You are wrong a Perfectionist by nature would create things to perfect them simply out of their will to do so not their need. I create songs simply because of the Joy it brings constructing them. The songs don't alter me in anyway some I keep and others I delete or trash. the ones I keep they are "Saved" the others are lost forever.
Bodhitharta 1 year ago
@Bodhitharta Yea, but if you're saying God is a "perfectionist" than he still isn't perfect.
A perfectionist, by definition, cannot be perfect, since he will be continuously seeking perfection, and obviously you can only seek perfection if you AREN'T already perfect. If you WERE already perfect, you wouldn't have to seek perfection, and thus, wouldn't be a perfectionist.
But that aside (your entire argument that is), i really only want a GENUINE answer to the question, "What is the POINT?"
Wittgensteinism 1 year ago
@Wittgensteinism Of course God is perfect how can you not be perfect if you decide what is perfect? The point of life is to achieve God Consciousness this in turn will allow the person to save his consciousness and be able to act freely throughout time creating and enjoying creating. Those who do not strive for right action will be like those in a job that get "Fired" while those who do well get a "Raise"
Bodhitharta 1 year ago
@Bodhitharta "how can you not be perfect if you decide what is perfect?"
Well, it's logically possible. I, for example, could decide that living drug & alcohol-free would be perfect, and yet i could still not be living my own standard of perfection.
However, you seem to be saying something much more than that. It sounds like your saying that not only does God decide what is good and judges himself on only his standard, but that God makes that stardard to fit whatever he already is...
hmmmmmm
Wittgensteinism 1 year ago
@Bodhitharta I just wanna know, since you made a video about at and all, what is YOUR meaning of life? What is it about the theist's meaning of life that is so much more meaningful than an atheists?
You already said atheism can't have any meaning to life, but if you don't wanna fall victim to your own criticism, then i'll have to hear SOMETHING that makes theism sound more meaningful.
So what is the purpose of existence?
To worship God? Was he lonely? Insecure? Depraved? Evil?
Wittgensteinism 1 year ago
@Wittgensteinism The purpose of existence is to continually grow, learn and exercise the consciousness it is like sex who really ever wants to give it up but the atheist is giving it all up. I 'm not giving anything up. I want to love you, I want to create something for others it is the drive of life itself. Atheism is the suicidal position
Bodhitharta 1 year ago
You're diggin yourself a deeeeep hole on this one buddy..
Let's, once again, assume for the sake of argument that atheism = no meaning to life.
I won't even go into the differences of objective vs subjective meaning, but i would like to know, what possible meaning is there in a Theist worldview? Please tell me how a theist's position is any more meaningful than an atheist's.
Is the meaning of life to satisfy God's wants? Were we really just created to worship an all-powerful Deity?
Wittgensteinism 1 year ago
@Wittgensteinism Ask yourself what is the meaning of life to having children were they really created to have no guidance, education, love or rules? What happens when we don't give children anything? The die. Understand?
Bodhitharta 1 year ago
@Bodhitharta I understand the meaning of all the words you used, however i fail to find your response coherent. You've done nothing but dodge every question i've posed to you.
In your analogy, the reaon i RAISE my kids a certain way i.e. educating them etc. is because it is what is best for them---what will be the best chance at happiness for them. This doesn't answer the question why i CREATED my kids; why i chose to have them in the 1st place.
Are you sure u want to use this analogy????
Wittgensteinism 1 year ago
The meaning of any life is wholly contextual to that single persons life. If you don't know somebody and have no knowledge of their life or how they lived it you cant TRULY have any context to whether the life or death had any meaning. The assumption is that it did. But did it? How would you know? the concept of Meaning is contextual to how it impacted your own life experience.
MaxFlo 1 year ago
@MaxFlo I am talking about the meaning of death to the Atheist if their assumption of no God is correct. In that context life will suddemly leave you and no matter what you did it would not mean a thing because you will ultimately not matter
Bodhitharta 1 year ago
@Bodhitharta Yo. This is maxflo. I'm signed in to my other account. OK. I get what you mean here. My coment on that would only be that all that would really matter would be any impact you had on other people or the society/ community you lived in. It would have no meaning outside of that. you lived and you died. Like billions of other humans through history.
I believe when you die you simply cease to be. And I'm ok with that. I'm ok with my life having no meaning in a greater context.
AGreenHell 1 year ago
@AGreenHell If your life has no meaning in the greater context how can it have meaning in the lesser context even your impact on anyone else would ultimately mean nothing at all since eventually all would cease to be, Anything you do good or bad would have the exact same value 0 although you could pretend that it did but why would you? If you really believe there is no God, No Judgement then there is no Value
Bodhitharta 1 year ago
I watched the video again. I'm not sure I agree that Evolution doesnt account for logic. I think that because we evolved the ability to form logic that evolution proves it does account for logic. To me Evolution is pure logic.
And I think it is perfectly in line with atheist thinking that life is filled with logic and philosophy. I believe that is the entire meaning of life. To fill life with those 2 very concepts. You seem to see atheism exactly the opposite. which is ok as to me as well.
AGreenHell 1 year ago
@AGreenHell This is the problem with what you stated, any type of evolution requires logic first not after because it is occuring through DNA which is for all intent of this conversation a logic program it takes original logic or intent to direct such a program. When I say there is no evolution I am only talking about Macroevolution I am not talking about the evolution of Kinds of things, I'm just saying this kind does not become that kind. Biblically each according to its own kind.
Bodhitharta 1 year ago
Atheism outdates the theory of evolution, gianticly
wybo2 1 year ago
Oh look another piece of shit christard trying to speak for atheists.
mecher3k 1 year ago
all atheists are not Evolutist . The definition for Atheist is a lack of belief in God(s)
LittoMoonLight 1 year ago
@LittoMoonLight All Atheist must be evolutionists otherwise how would they even attempt to explain the presence of life on the planet?
Bodhitharta 1 year ago
@Bodhitharta No you don't have to be an Evolutionist to be an Atheist. Many people lose their faith before even studying Evolution, Some just don't care and live this life in the percent. the pope accept evolution does that make him a Evolutionist?What about some atheistic Religions that don't worship a God or Gods? are they Evolutionist? We don't have a presence in this world , it is what you make out of it.
LittoMoonLight 1 year ago
I think you have your terms really mixed up. Atheism isn't a worldview. You do understand there are so called Christians that believe in atheism, and that there are atheists who don't subscribe to evolution, right?
confluential 1 year ago
Isn't the purpose to THINK???
Hahamannorth 1 year ago
if you listen to the claims of the guy in this video you can easily see that it doesnt make sense. its like a pastor in a church attempting to explain something by using a biblical passage thats totally unrelated. this video is utter nonsense. its author obviously hasnt thought these things through and has no understanding of what he's attempting to explain.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
you claim "the atheistic meaning of death is that anything a person does in life only a product of evolution." thats total horse shit. the two things have nothing to do with each other. what death means to atheists is an observable biological end of human consciousness. atheists believe what appears to be the truth: that human consciousness is biologically initiated, contained and sustained. you attempt to define "death atheistically" then go on to talk about things that arent even related.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
there is an explanation of how living things exist but there is no philosophical position as to why. there is no purpose of still birth or babies born with aids into famine. "the meaning of life" is an arbitrary philosophical position period. i cant say what life means to you but you can. you cant say what life means to me. i can say that the existence of living things doesnt indicate the existence, design or purpose of a god. death is the end of life. thats what i means bilogically.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
not all atheists "believe in evolution" . the reason for philosophical positions like "god is real" is the alternative: reality. god is primitive superstition. something that allows ppl to "explain" things without actually explaining them. as in "thunder comes from the hammer of thor". you claim to know that a god is real , not knowing that you cannot.. why? you cannot claim knowledge of the existence of anything thats indistinguishable from things that dont exist. that is an outright lie
executionerofgod 1 year ago
Wow. The first sentence is an epic fail on itself. Actually I have to flag this video for misleading title.
EPR89 1 year ago
How is it a suicidal position. If you are not an atheist how can you speak for them?
igotsachubby 1 year ago
I believe in evolution, but I also believe in what I call "soul" or "energy" you could call it God, but my definition of God is different. I believe God is infinite, and therefore all is God, and God is all... so I am God... you are God... etc. As evolution is a scientific theory and only involves the observable physical world it cannot be extrapolated that evolution discounts the idea of God or "soul," though it may refute the idea of creationism specifically...
totoro1591 1 year ago
"All atheists are evolutionists" False.
Raelians are atheists who are not evolutionists, and they are not alone. Do 30 seconds of research before spouting nonsense.
Overseer82 2 years ago
Raelians are not really atheist they just don't call a creator "God" so, you should know what your info before responding to the facts.
customuggboots 2 years ago
AIDS HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, originated in non-human primates in and was transferred to humans during the late 19th or early 20th century. is closely related to a virus found in chimpanzees and we are bery closely related to the chimp ...well you do the math
alltiedup217 2 years ago
Your first point made is wrong. Not all atheists believe in evolution.
The atheist way of thinking of death is one with MORE meaning then a Christian life I would say. An atheist realizes THIS is the only life he's going to get and he's making the best out of it. THAT has more meaning then seeing this life as a "passthrough" life onto a next.
There is no such thing as an "atheistic philosophy", atheism is ONLY the lack of belief in a god. Two atheists could be worlds apart on all other views.
Subher0 2 years ago
No it is correct because either you believe life was created or it evolved. Atheist don't believe it was created so they believe it evolved come'on student don't be so ridiculous! If you are an atheist there is no meaning because there is no judgement of meaning that matters. Don't be scared of what you really believe. Either live your life amorally or become religious otherwise you are wasting your life being luke warm
Bodhitharta 2 years ago
your wrong and heres why. either believing life was created or it evolved is not a true dicotomy. you can say you dont know. the two, in theory, should be totaly seperate from each other.
in reality however with the publication of origin, and the evidence which backed its claims, the truthood of the claims made in the bible were examined and questioned with deeper rigor.
while i wouldnt say evolution leads to atheism i would say that ignorance leads to religions.
sean14916 2 years ago
Ignorance can lead to atheism or religion are you saying that all atheists are redeemed from ignorance? That is a very ignorant statement
Bodhitharta 2 years ago
no. read it again.
i never said atheists are redeemed from ignorance. and even if i did there are always exceptions to rules.
i said that evolution doesnt lead to atheism but ignorance leads to religion. if your incredibly ignorant of science, mathematics and other forms of knowledge you would be more open to the kind of arguments most people laugh at. like argument from design.
sean14916 2 years ago
Isn't the ToE an argument from design?
You don't get it do you?
Bodhitharta 2 years ago
your right. i dont get it. i dont get when every single person in your comments section is agreeing that you dont NEED to be an evolutionist to accept atheism yet you still insist on defending a position which is clearly wrong.
its just like your defiant stance against the basic principles of probability theory in your other video's, everyone on the comments is saying your wrong, surely that must mean something.
also for someone so ignorant of basic math to bring up the theory of everything...
sean14916 2 years ago
Everyone can think I'm wrong but the odds are only as much as 50% because in the end I can only be right or wrong. Do you understand that or not? If you play the lottery along with a million people which of you have a greater chance of winning and if one of the people win the lottery what advantage did they have over you?
Bodhitharta 2 years ago
iv sent you a personal message detailing the basics of probability theory. as for the chances in a lottery, all are equaly likely. but there not all 50%.
probabilities go from 0 to 1. and the sum of all the possible events, lottery tickets probability of winning, in the sample space, all possible lottery tickets, must be 1 because ONE of the combinations of numbers for the lottery must be right. This ticket doesnt nessesarily have to be purchased by anyone though.
sean14916 2 years ago
@Bodhitharta someone obviously doesnt understand probability . just because there are two possible outcomes for a given situation doesnt mean its a 50/50 chance . and the odds of winning the lottery are set at 1 in 200,000 , regardless of how many people play
loneIyboy15 1 year ago
@Bodhitharta technically the chance that you are right is much, much lower than 50%. there is an endless amount of possible answers and to only give 1 or 2? always check your working
flurpleparrot 1 year ago
... even if the theory of everything were correct it still doesnt prove any sort of design. this is the same argument as look the universe follows certain laws...therefor god. the reason why no-one falls for this crap is because even if it were an argument for god, it wouldnt be your god, it would be a nebulus wishy-washy deistic god.
sean14916 2 years ago
Theirs no purpose for god?
Why is there something instead of nothing?
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
why would god make virus's to get his most precious creations sick?? i really hope that the REAL god will fck you up for spewing the lies of men who lived thousands of years ago.
Dshizzle420 2 years ago
You really dont need to be talking about logic, and reason. Your meaningless existence is tragic. You have outsourced all your "purpose" to an invisible force that exist outside space and time... lol in other words non-existent. You purpose is your own fool, you choose it with every choice you make. Like choosing to display gross ignorance to the world via youtube.
Malbrojia 2 years ago 2
Actually, he's right. Death is the end of it. So enjoy it while it lasts. Make the most out of being alive.
Stop wasting time and do something!
aardwolf71 2 years ago
This idiot is proof that camcorders are a dangerous thing in the hands of the brainwashed. But he does make you chuckle at what he says.
000SMITH000 2 years ago
LOL @ AMERICANS
baskoffie 2 years ago
Do you even hear yourself rant? Why would you assume that atheists think that there is no meaning to life? Just because YOU need some imaginary sky daddy to tell you what the purpose of your life is doesnt mean everyone does. We get meaning from ourselves.
kubush 2 years ago
That thoughts precisely. Well stated.
Stealth4Health 2 years ago
o crap, i pressed bad comment by accident.
realy, realy sorry.
agree with you 100%
FatPenguin64 2 years ago
no, we are not all "evolutionists". plus, there are many christians and other religious people (LIKE THE POPE) who support evolution.
atheism and evolution are not linked. the lack of a belief in a god has NOTHING AT ALL to do with evolution.
RDog4484 2 years ago
you are an idiot. not all atheists believe in evolution. the two are not related. buddhists are atheists.
maikeru01 2 years ago
Don't dance around the issue of what "ALL Knowing" means. He has to know the past, present *and* future, which means he knows what I will choose before I do. Unless you are claiming God himself is also subject to the anthropic quantum level indeterminance of knowing both at the same time.. which precludes knowing *either* choice, and thus makes God a limited creature.
RyuDarragh 3 years ago
The future is always in flux, choices change outcomes and therefore ALL KNOWING is knowing all events as they are and as they occur. Potential futures are not actual futures if they were God would not teach people how to repent from a potential hell to experoence an actual heaven. Your future is set one way now but if you would be determined to make different choices it will also alter that future. Understand?
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
What does "knowledge of the persons determination" even mean? Do you mean what that person is likely to do, or what has been dtermined (in other words, predestined) for that person?
Omniscience means knowing before hand. If God is not omniscient, then he is also not omnipotent or omnipresent.
It still leaves free will as a solipsistic illusion. You only imagine you have free will.
To put it another way, it isn't that God is incapable of knowing, he can't allow himself to know.
RyuDarragh 3 years ago
Omniscient simply means All Knowing. To know All is to be in a contexually present condition. You always have free will and it is in that context in which you are judged, do you not understand what I am saying? God knows what you have in your mind and when you change your mind, God Knows ALL. Are you familiar with physics and quantum observation in which the results change when observed?
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
Then God is not omniscient.
It's these kinds of illogical conundrums that would, if anything, make me lean to being a Deist, if I had any such Theistic leanings at all.
RyuDarragh 3 years ago
Omniscience does not violate freedom of choice or knowledge. Knowledge is only knowledge when it something becomes known therefore when a choice is made God knows it and does not lack knowledge in anything. Also God knows what choice will be made according to the knowledge of the persons determination.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
you're an idiot
jimmy976uk 3 years ago
Like my Daddy used to say, "You put an atheist out in a little boat in the middle of the ocean, and see if he doesn't start praying to God for help"
monkeysign123 3 years ago
Your father wasn't a wise man, You shouldn't teach from him. Sorry.
OpBlitz 3 years ago
monkeysign123, put an Atheist in that boat and see if he doesn't start devising ways to move that little boat and contact help with whatever he has 'cause he sure as shootin' doesn't think prayer is gonna do one damn bit of good 'cept waste time.
RyuDarragh 3 years ago
is it so hard to handle that some people think that god doesn't exist and are happy anyway ?
I'm an atheist, but I don't mind people believing in god (any god), as long as their way of life does not harm other people.
Alex947462 3 years ago
Life has whatever meaning you give to it. That's what I believe.
BandartheEnchanter 3 years ago
atheism does not equal evolutionism. yes the majority of atheists base this decision around the theory of evolution and it's evidence that bebunks creationism, but some atheists simply believe that there is no god, without believing that evolution is a fact. it is unfair to lump all atheists together. also, have you ever thought about what rational thought is? what is it that allows humans to "think rationally"? may i ask how you know that god exists? (please don't be offended by that question!)
bigjesse1985 3 years ago
Under the Christian mantra, I have been created by an all-knowing God. My birth was his decision, as was my death. I have "free will" but if I don't choose "his" plan for me, then I will be tortured forever. I am a skeptic by nature and he knew how I'd turn out. He therefore intentionally created me with the full knowledge that I would burn forever in hell. And this is the "meaning" that my life has under your dogmas? No thanks.
uccomic 3 years ago
Tell me, what is the point of life if god is true? He "loves" us and wants us to "find" him, so why doesn't he only make believers? The "free will" thing has obviously sent many to hell, so why not amend it? 3/4's of all people created never find him. He KNOWS this. He DOES NOT fix this. He continually makes people with the full knowledge they are going to hell. This is the "perfect" "loving" god.
uccomic 3 years ago
What does God learn about me in the 70 years I shuffle around the planet, going through the motions? I'm supposed to "find" him? But he already knows whether I will or not. So why not off me today? Same for you. You're obviously pious, so why not call you up immediately? How about a still-born kid? How come they never get their "shot" at life? Under your "god" life is like a bad tv re-run that He has seen a billion times. Under your "god" life truly would be pointless.
uccomic 3 years ago
Whether you find God or not is already determined by your determination. If you seek you shall find.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
Who goes to hell is not for anyone to say. To seek the Mercy of the living God is a powerful lifesaving thing.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
You misunderstand. God doesn't decide for you what you will do, God knows what you will do according to what you are doing. To be all knowing means to know all outcomes of all choices not the choices themselves.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
"All-knowing" is an absolute. Therefore, you can't say he's all-knowing but doesn't know what my choice will be.
uccomic 3 years ago
Choices are known when they are made. Are you saying you believed God was All-Pre-knowing?
Because if so you have misunderstood greatly. To be All-knowing there must be information that has been acted on.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
So you've basically just stated that God "learns", because he adds to his knowledge as new data becomes available. Therefore, he DOESN'T hold all knowledge. That's something that many Christians will disagree with you on. Plus, I thought God has a "plan" for me. That suggests not only knowing what will happen in my life, but orchestrating it. So again, I repeat, God has made me (actually the majority of people) so that we end up burning in hell. Some god!
uccomic 3 years ago
Your mistaken! To learn is not to lack but to be always aware. Information doesn't become knowledge until it becomes actual. God knows All that is. God does have a plan for you that is why HE sent prophets and gave you scripture to learn. But, you orchestrate your life for good or bad. If you go to hell it is because of your own determination because it is always predetermined who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. What are you determined to do?
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
Can you please clarify what "it is always predetermined who will go to hell and who will go to heaven"? How is it predetermined? By who?
uccomic 3 years ago
What this means is the variables are already set, so if you decide to violate the process, then you are determined to be rewarded for whatever you are doing whether it be for good or for bad. As I said, It is already pre-determined who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. WHAT IS YOUR DETERMINATION?
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
Circular reasoning does not answer the question in the light of true free will. If free will is truth, then God can't know where we will end up and if he does know, then there is no true free will. Can't eat your cake and have it, too.
RyuDarragh 3 years ago
God knows as you choose.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
The fallacy here is assuming all meanings are absolute meanings, and all purpose is objective purpose.
CharlieBBoy12345 3 years ago
Purpose has meaning. So if an atheist says that life is without definite purpose it can have no ultimate meaning if their view is correct.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
Agreed. I don't believe in ultimate meanings. That was my point. The point is you have conflated ultimate meaning with meaning. And likewise with reason. Rationality requires people to give grounds for beliefs. Not necessarily appealing to a single Platonic form of truth. That is classic Parmenidean mysticism.
CharlieBBoy12345 3 years ago
"All atheists are evolutionists"
False. Some atheists reject evolution. Some atheists believe in an afterlife as well. I'm not one of them however.
You're on a slippery slope here. I can't speak for all atheists, but my life has meaning, I just understand that that meaning is subjective. "I know that god is real" is also a philosophical position believe it or not. According to your own argument that also equals zero.
litegrey 3 years ago
We should have all grown up from all those stone age belief systems by now.
The Atheist values life more than anyone, as they know its the only one they get. There is so much to do and so little time.
Hellcat040369 3 years ago 3
Yes and the "God" position is likened to waiting in the line of your favorite roller coaster. You don't value your life as you should because you believe you are going to live for all eternity. Life to you is a waiting room. You say you "know" god exists when you merely believe he exists.... You can't KNOW anything without evidence. Accepting the first answer you are given that encompasses everything. Not seeking to know more about the world. That is the true definition of intellectual suicide.
snugsaltynutz 3 years ago 3
The only "meaning" or "path" life has is to exist, and also to maintain the existence. Death is the end of all meaning. What is life? Life is a coincidence.
Imhornydadcomeinside 3 years ago
Why would life "want" to maintain itself? Either life has Purpose or it has no meaning whatsoever, not even to maintain itself. If it has a purpose it was made with intent and intent needs a Creator i.e. God in that case.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
If you, and your existence, and all that kind of things didn't want to exist you could without hesitation kill yourself at any moment and you would not have a will to survive.
I don't know why we want to keep our existance, maybe there is no reason, that would describe some things that occur in this world.
Imhornydadcomeinside 3 years ago
If I do not exist eternally after death, then can not it be said that the universe itself is entirely fake or illusory? Because without your observation, let's be honest, everything is nonexistant is it not?
But as an atheist pinoccio says, "I am only a wooden puppet you ignorant blue fairy, I could never ever be a REAL boy."
AllahConsciousness 3 years ago
I love how because something isn't all sunshine and happiness and the way you want it is has to be a suicidal view.
Yes it would be a nice thought to think that an all powerful being would have my back and even would assure my continued existence in one form or another after i die. But i know that thats stupid, it was nice to believe i was a pirate when i was a kid, that doesn't make it so.
There's a difference between what we want to believe and what's realistic to believe.
GarethandSarah 3 years ago 4
You got too many things wrong to list them all here in this little answer box. But well yes, right, there is no objective meaning in life. You can't put "life" into a formula and suddenly get the meaning. But each individual can have his/her goals for his own. Atheists are not forced to spend their lifes worshiping an imaginary being. Actually they respect life so much more because they know there is no immortality, as believers think.
juthjub 3 years ago 3
Most atheist believe in evolution. They don't believe in an afterlife. The Neanderthal (ape-like human)burried items in their graves anticipating the afterlife. According to achaeologists and evolutionists this is true. Could an atheist who is an evolutionist put these two together to justfy the notion of an afterlife? Keep in mind based on this-There was no religion around the time of the Neanderthal man, so this concept of afterlife for the apeman had no religion influence.
greg2009 3 years ago
so do u believe in the tooth fairy too?
87strat 3 years ago
The phrase "the atheistic meaning of life" makes no sense. People who are not theists vary greatly in what they believe about the meaning of life from individual to individual.
A nihilist's perspective on life and death isn't going to be the same as an extentialist's view on life and death.
The fact that you think there is such thing as an "atheistic perspective" on anything except for god is simply laughable. It just shows your ignorance.
You're a grown man. Start thinking like one.
GenOcidalDespot 3 years ago
We don't believe in an afterlife so this life has INFINITELY MORE MEANING to us because this is all we are guaranteed.
litegrey 3 years ago
Infinite meaning cannot exist in a finite context.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
You say:
"The atheistic meaning of death is that anything someone does in life is only a product of evolution and never a product of spirituality or reason, or rationality, and never a product of logic. Because evolution does not account for logical behavior."
You should read that again, Bodhitharta, and then tell me if you still agree with what you said in the video.
jacket10101 3 years ago
There is no logic or goal of the process of evolution it is not "progressive"
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
Evolution is not progressive? Please explain yourself on that one.
So you say that adapting to an environment in order to survive better is not progressive? As the theory goes, we have come from single-celled organisms to these very complex creatures that we are now. How is that not progressive?
Are you sure you know what evolution is? To say evolution is not progressive is to say that mathematics doesn't deal with numbers.
jacket10101 3 years ago
You must not understand that the theory of evolution is not "progressive" The theory does not even suggest that evolution occurs with "intent" The theory is based upon random mutation and biological viability in other words if it survives it remains, this is not progressive.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
no offense but you are a bit of an extremist like most christians i know...the meaning of life is self defined, that's why it's philosophical.
"if god is everywhere, then god is in my ass"--my boss
nagyac0 3 years ago
If we go to heaven after we die, and this life is just a "warm up" or something, that kinda takes meaning from this life, doesn't it ?
If this is the only life you were given, then live it. You don't get another chance. Don't spend your time praying to some being who might or might not be there, rather go out and see the world for what it is.
peturh 3 years ago
No, that would be like saying that getting to know someone before you marry them is silly.
This life should be lived to the fullest and that is done with the knowledge and guidance of God.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
The world is not ideal. Humans are not the centre of the universe. Get over it. Enjoy this life, and make your own meaning.
Where is your proof of God btw?
tommyk77 3 years ago
The entire Universe including you.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
Lol. Oh, you were being serious? Shit...
Any real proof?
And to respond to this also, how did God begin?
tommyk77 3 years ago
That is real proof that you can see and feel. How did God begin? God didn't begin "to be" God is "to be" It is like asking does existence exist it is axiomatic.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
If God is eternal, then how does he intervene with our lives?
Maybe something outside of time did start everything, but if it is outside of science, then I'm not going to have a strong belief on the subject, because that is just faith.
tommyk77 3 years ago
God is not outside of time, God transcends time. Science is simply the study of knowledge including the study of God or the science of Godliness. If a person accepts good and evil then a person also by default accepts the study of such things as scientific and just like the science of planets or other things we increase our knowledge and understanding through the application of the science of Godliness.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
That's just your opinion. And to back up jacket10101, evolution is beautifully progressive. What YOU meant o say is it has no long term goal. That is true. Get over the fact that the universe doesn't know or care about our existence. Enjoy this life now.
tommyk77 3 years ago
If it has no Goal it has no "purpose" to be prgressive or regressive it would be simply blind and yet to understand evolution that way would be troubling to you because of the obvious non-randomness of life and nature.
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
It does not trouble me at all. Nature has laws, we wouldn't be here if it didn't, so why say God did it? You're infected with religion. You can't see that nature is just natural by its very name. No intelligent designer is needed. Evolution just happens.
tommyk77 3 years ago
Are you atheist because of distaste of religion? Do you believe relgion has bred atheism because relgion has not explained the meaning of life, origin of life, or why world conditions are the way they are? Two atoms floating in the universe don't just appear there there has to be a source. What gives an animal the instinct to fatten up for he winter because they know they have to hibernate? The neanderthal man burried items with him at death. So he believed in an afterlife. There was no religion
greg2009 3 years ago
I am an atheist because I see no reason to believe in a personal God; there is no evidence.
I dislike religion because it controls, is essentially a dictatorship, arrogantly claims to have knowledge that we absolutley cannot have and gives false promises.
We are all born atheists, so atheism must have made religion to supplement the lack of understanding of the world. Now we are discovering more about it, religion is not needed.
tommyk77 3 years ago 5
Evolution explains an animal's instincts very well.
Neaderthal Man burying items with him at death probably happened because he didn't know where he was going. Neanderthals were the height of biological intelligence so I'm sure they acknowledged death.
I agree, an atom can't come from nowhere and I don't think that is ever claimed. We can't possibly fathom what started our universe, so I'm not going to label that gap a God that hhumans are on speaking terms with. That's arrogance
tommyk77 3 years ago 2
I have reasons to live witout spirits.
kais3rz3r0 3 years ago
I think you're just scared that you wasted 20 years repenting for all those bikes you stole.
xfubar 3 years ago
I'd like to mark this video with incorrect, unstudied bullshit!
Animeiskool 3 years ago
I'm atheist. I love life. I love root beer. I love ice cream. I love music. I love art, movies, books, magic, and South Park. Meaning to life? To me, it's "Enjoy it while you can"
Your whole position can be summed up as "I don't agree with your views of life and death, therefore it is wrong." You add several straw men along the way.
Articulate, yet sadly incorrect.
Bleach626 3 years ago
Atheism is freedom. Atheism is rationalism. Atheism is intellectual power. Atheism rejects the notion that we are all pawns of some supernatural "being". A "being" who seems to have been on vacation the past 2000 years, refusing to show his "Son" to a society that is far more advanced and logical than the society he supposedly showed himself to all those years ago.
Poisinn 3 years ago
More advanced and logical? Have wars stopped? Has work become easier? Is everybody eating everywhere? Advaced and logical? HAHAHHAHHAHH
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
Sure, unless you live in a third world country, our society is far more advanced and logical than those of 2000 years ago. We have science to refute anything that could possibly be true in relation to deities. War? Sure there's war, although it seems the major war nowadays is due to Religion(US Pro-christian presence in Islam Holy Land). Has work become easier? Of course. Is there any famine worldwide? Yes, in select third world countries, perhaps Jesus should come down and end famine?
Poisinn 3 years ago
Stoicism: the belief that events can be categorised as "good," "bad," or "irrelevant," meaning events that are good for us, bad for us, or which we cannot affect in any way or manner; stoic philosophy is completely secular and teaches that we should enjoy good events, try to defeat or diminish bad events, and endure irrelevant events as best we can. When you say: "(s)he is being stoic," you mean (s)he endures a painful condition without making a fuss.
How does that contradict evolution?
RaspK 3 years ago
So you believe that there is nothing bad or good, correct?
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
You did not answer my question, and you are not going to pull a strawman on this one: how is evolution making stoicism obsolete?
RaspK 3 years ago
actually according to evolution each beings purpose is to pass their genes to another generation.... but humans are so over evolution already, actually the only ones that have this purpose now are animals...everyones priority now its to be happy now..... o yeah except for christians who just wanna please their magical flying pussyfoot.... by the way i went to heaven and i saw no god and not all atheist believe in evolution
TuttiOfruti 4 years ago
Is it so unbelievable that life has no meaning? Are you scared to accept that you're just an animal? Philosophy, for all it's intrigue, is comparable to chasing one's tail.
zigzigzig 4 years ago
So you agree with the video, right?
Bodhitharta 4 years ago
So, what have you got against atheists?
And please, don't answer about systems or societies that "happend to be atheist", here I am talking about the persons.
(It didn't seems to be clear enough, so I hope this will clarify my question...)
renardnicolas 4 years ago
Those who don't believe in God are arrogant and do not submit they would gladly prevent me from believeing if they could.
Bodhitharta 4 years ago
Arrogant?
Who is claiming that he understands something of which he doesn't have the least idea? Who is the one telling everybody that those who don't share his belief couldn't have any meaning in their lives? Who is the one who doesn't respect other ones convictions?
I've always respected your convictions, and I'll be very happy if they can give a sense to your life. So who is the arrogant here? me? huh...
renardnicolas 4 years ago
Um... I meant to post it twice...
erm for dramatic effect.
(woops)
Brainwavez 4 years ago
A) You are wrong, eveolution does account for illogical behaviour and frankly I dont think you would be capaple of understanding if I tried to explain it.
B) You need god to give you meaning? What gives GOD meaning then? To make us? That is simply illogical. And please dont give me that "To understand the will of god..." crap.
Brainwavez 4 years ago
and I KNOW I spelt evolution wrong, sorry
Brainwavez 4 years ago
A) You are wrong, eveolution does account for illogical behaviour and frankly I dont think you would be capaple of understanding if I tried to explain it.
B) You need god to give you meaning? What gives GOD meaning then? To make us? That is simply illogical. And please dont give me that "To understand the will of god..." crap.
Brainwavez 4 years ago
"Evolutionist" is a made up word. There is no sub-set of scientist called "evolutionists." 99.8% of scientists concur that evolution is proven fact.
Evolution also has little to do with personal 'meaning' in life. It is a description of change in species, nothing more.
DeadlyChinchilla 4 years ago
There is no scientist that will call evolution a "fact", not even one.
Bodhitharta 4 years ago
Wrong, actually. Most every scientist in the world agree that, while we don't know everything, we do know quite well that evolution and natural selection are facts.
DeadlyChinchilla 4 years ago
No, They are not facts!
Bodhitharta 4 years ago
Yes, they are. They really, really, really are, no matter how much you wish it were otherwise. Should I pinky swear or something?
DeadlyChinchilla 4 years ago
Find me a scientist that call the "existence" of any god a fact...
If there were any evidences that a god exists or existed somewhere and sometimes, it wouldn't be called "faith"...
renardnicolas 4 years ago
Faith has nothing to do with the "existence" of God. It is faith in God, you have Faith "in" God because God exists not Faith "that" God exists.
Bodhitharta 4 years ago
Watch out Bodi, to tell in the same sentence that "faith has nothing to do with the existence of GOD" and that "you have faith in god because god exists" will not help people to stop laughing at you... ;)
The reason of your faith is your wished existence of god, whether it's "in" or it's "that"...
Using the same argument as yours (and just to show that your argument isn't an aurgument)I don't have faith in any god because no god exists...
(Btw, don't forget my first question)
renardnicolas 4 years ago
ouch, my english is very bad when I am tired, sorry about that...
renardnicolas 4 years ago
it looks like my comment has been deleted, so here is it again :
- no atheist in the world has never carried out a war in the name of his atheism
- all atheists have purposes in their lives and enjoy their lives as it's the only one they'll ever have
- all atheists are ready to accept your thoughts and personal convictions (no matter how stupid they are) as long as it remains personal
so what do you honestly reproach to atheists???
renardnicolas 4 years ago 2
Communist russia is an atheistic government. Japan was also atheistic.
Bodhitharta 4 years ago
So what??? it's not the reason of their acts...
Hitler was christian and every german soldier had on his belt "Gott mit uns" (God with us), so I could tell you : did you see what your God made him do??? but it's senseless... who could say he did what he did because he was christian...??? (even as an atheist, I won't).
Each religion/ideology has its extreme side but that wasn't the point of my question, if you could please answer to it, it will be nice...
renardnicolas 4 years ago
Who is saying life has no meaning? YOU are thats who. Speak for yourself. Just because someone does not believe in god gives you no authority to say the dumb shit you say man. I hope you do not teach this ignorance to your children. The bible is flawed just like all other religions. Period. Explain that!! You can't so don't even try. Let people have there own thoughts just like you have yours. Your thoughts are not superior. I mean you are not even smart enough to word your stupid points
Seeknolig 4 years ago
you do not know god is real that is why it is called faith. Man you church losers are the biggest hypocrites, I swear. Suicide, what the hell are you talking about. All atheist are not revolutionists. Life still has a point asshole, memories, friends, what you left behind such as kids, accomplishments. So basically you have FAITH in god because you are afraid your pathetic life means nothing and your kids. So if there were know god you would not be concerned for your offspring huh? JackAss!
Seeknolig 4 years ago
You miss my point! The fact is that your memories will mean nothing when you die(according to you) therefore, the memories you have mean nothing while alive. Understanding that God has purposed you to have memory and meaning and that is to excel in goodness which requires consciousness and that development is not wasted at death it is resurrected, therefore those who do not excel in good shall face a painful punishment at resurrection and the fault will be their own. There is no god but God.
Bodhitharta 4 years ago
memories will mean nothing when you die therefore, the memories you have mean nothing while alive? WRONG. my memories mean a lot to me. i dont need to believe in god to have meaning and purpose in my life.
Understanding that God has purposed you to have memory and meaning and that is to excel in goodness which requires consciousness and that development is not wasted at death it is resurrected?
WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN??? ur just throwing big words around!!!
hotwheelschik1 4 years ago
If you are an atheist what I "mean" cannot be understood by you because to you ultimately death is the end of meaning.
Bodhitharta 4 years ago
but i am alive. therefore meaning has not ended yet. if what you were saying made any sense, i would see its meaning. unfortunately it doesnt make any sense, therefore i cant understand it meaning.
and just to be perfectly clear, its not what ur talking about that doesnt make sense. its just that the words u used are in an order which makes it extremely difficult to understand what u actually ARE talking about.
hotwheelschik1 4 years ago
But meaning will end for you, right? Therefore, meaning to an atheist is not valid.
Bodhitharta 4 years ago