Israel and Hamas agree on Gaza truce

[VictorWasechkin]

seneca67 - what about Chechnya? western "friends" have been sponsoring several chechen separatist leaders, this cia tactics is well known in Latin America, Africa, Middle East. Any more questions?

[seneca67]

Victor, as you know trust can be a challenging issue across national boundaries. We should have trusted the Russian leadership regarding Chechnya.  After the Beslam atrocity it became obvious that Russia was fighting something truly evil. I can assure you that whatever sympathy the rebels hoped to garner was lost after that day. Hindsight is a painful teacher.

[Holso5]

is "victor" really russian? I think he is a little muslim hater pretending to be russian. Like so many of them pretend to be americans (johns and marks etc). Victor hvatit pizdet a?

[VictorWasechkin]

poshel na hui, zhid poganii.

[Holso5]

sam ti zhid. making russia look bad.

[pwincess248]

lebanon rulez nd u no tht ur jus too scared to admit it u ugli fat cowz!!

[tigpoppa]

Palestinians = muslims = terrorists!

Thank god muslims are dumb and fell for the treaty so Israelis can lock and load to rain down the wrath of god upon them!

in the bible it clearly states muslims have no right to the holy land! Muslims should read the bible but their to stupid and crap in ditches.

Vote for america in 08 by voting for McCain!

Dont vote for the dirty muslim.

ONE NATION ONE GOD! not one founding father was a muslim because they despised idolaters and rapists.

[VictorWasechkin]

Israel=fascist=must die. Do you know about british jews raids in 1920s? What they did is killing the Arab leaders, the best people among arabs that could unite the Arabs. That's what jews do, and that's the mossad strategy - to kill the Arab leaders, to destroy the society and keep it undeveloped. Then they call the Arabs terrorists.

[seneca67]

Are you really Russian?

[natm]

VictorWasechkin , poshol na huy.

ty faschist i dalbayob.

first you give back siberia to its native people, and then ask us to do so with west bank and/or jerusalem.

but, never mind... you live in a poor shitty nation, your men are alcoholists and your women are prostitutes (1 million russian women were sold, and now being f***ed everywhere in the world).

in 50 yesrs you will lose all the terirories you captured 400 years ago, cause russian people are dying and minorities breeding.

[VictorWasechkin]

fuck you natm, come to china and i'll teach you. You are also seeding anti-Russian propaganda here, but rather stupid

[seneca67]

So " Victor", are you Chinese, or Russian?

[VictorWasechkin]

do you always refer to a person putting his name in inverted commas? are you human?

[seneca67]

I think you know why i punctuated as I did. It would appear that you are writing under false pretense. So, will you answer my question?

[VictorWasechkin]

Who threatened Iran? America did, by supporting Saddam Hussein when Iran turned away from usa, thanks to ayatolla Ruhollah Homeini. then, american jews threaten Iran constantly, don't they? it's their nature - to threaten and earn bloody shekels and bucks.

[seneca67]

We looked the other way and allowed Saddam to fight with the Iranians because the bastards held our entire embassy hostage for 444 day you puke! Find me a quote from any president that could be interoperated as a direct threat to Iran. Ahmadinejad has stated his intentions, and threats before the entire UN. Frankly I have no clue if who started the Iran Iraq war, but based on what I seen, I would not be the least bit surprised if it was Iran.

[darkmastr1]

would you like to see picture of donald rumsfeld shaking hands of saddam......would you like to see the chemical weapons he had that say made in usa.....

[seneca67]

I have seen that picture a thousand times. The USA never supplied Iraq with Chem weapons. When Don visited Saddom, he actually advised Saddam against ever using such weapons. We knew he had Russian made chemical weapons. Later, he acquired the ability to make his own. Most nations stopped using Chem weapons because they are dangerous and impractical, as well as cruel.

[darkmastr1]

so you are saying us NEVER gave saddam chemical weapons correct?

[seneca67]

Yes, i am very sure we never gave sadden Chem weapons, and we told him it would be a really bad idea if he used the weapons he had. --For a lot of reasons. It is a violation of law to provide such weapons. If a president ever tried to do so, the only dispute would be which political party would get credit for throwing him in jail. Why would a politician expose themselves to national and international consequences?

[darkmastr1]

google: how the US armed saddam with chemical weapons.

[seneca67]

"The administration of US President Ronald Reagan covertly provided "critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war". (From the article) I am reading the article, but nowhere do I see any verbiage that says we provided Chem weapons too Saddam. We advised him. That was all. I think we actually gave him advise about the tow missiles that we sold to Iran. LOl

[VictorWasechkin]

there is a slight difference between what you think and what really was. USA supplied Saddam with weapons. You are very ignorant and stupid if you deny.

[Holso5]

"victor" don't call me stupid and ignorant - call Iran that. Iran claimed that USSR supplied Iraq with chemical weapons. There are NO FACTS that point to US supplying ANY weapons to Saddam. Stop spreading your lies here.

[VictorWasechkin]

If there are no facts, then the words of Iran are also not fact, because as you know Iran can tell anything, but it does not make Bush or condi sure that they have no WMD program :)

[Holso5]

US never gave Saddam chemical weapons. Iran, which considers US its mortal enemy, blamed USSR for providing chem weapons to saddam NOT US. As a matter of fact, US did not provide ANY weapons to Saddam. They did, however, allow for loans that were used by Saddam to buy weapons from Europe.

[darkmastr1]

google this: how the US armed saddam with chemical weapons.

[seneca67]

Ty, no, it turns out we merely spoke with him and provided advice. One bit of advice we gave him was to avoid using chem weapons. But, he ignored that advice. Read the article.

[seneca67]

Hols05 has it exactly right.

[VictorWasechkin]

it was us, not USSR who supplied chemical and conventional weapons to Iraq before the Iraq-Iran war.

[seneca67]

Victor, if you have evidence show us. If you do not, why waste our time, and yours?

[VictorWasechkin]

seneca67, did you say "to us"? do you count yourself as many people? multipersonality? this is Russian Channel, and Russia supports Arabs!

[seneca67]

The pronoun "us" was written because several readers are following this thread. Please see the vote at the bottom of Resolution 181 where the USSR voted in support of the establishment of the Jewish State. I realize that Russia is a different legal entity form the old USSR, but has popular Russian opinion changed that drastically from 48' to the current day? Why?

[VictorWasechkin]

Yes, Stalin supported the establishment of Israel, USSR supplied weapons and airplanes to protect Israel in the 1948 war. But the situation changed, you know, after Israel turned completely pro-american and the relations were completely broken after golda meir intercourse with Kissinger and that declaracion about nuke. It was Israel that provoked that Doom Day war, and that's why the we consider Israel as a terrorist gang at that period. Balance your "facts". Read more.

[seneca67]

It is a shame that the cold war polarized the relations between our two countries and the world. Happily, our two countries reconciled the cold war. That is something to be proud of. Our collective national experience could be utilized for peace efforts in the Middle East. My country is often accused of siding with Israel, but it should be noted that we have brokered the Israel Egyptian peace accord, and pushed for the establishment of a Palestinian state.

[VictorWasechkin]

oh really? and what about the USSR pacifying role? Before breaking with Israel after their aggressive war and after restoring the relations Russia brings much more balance supporting not only Arabic countries (financially, industrially, during long period, often without compensation) but also assuring Israel that it would be untouched. us policy is mostly destructive, caring only about jews and own bloody corporations. Besides, no Palestinian state is established thus far, despite of promises

[jumpacliff2]

Russia may support Arabs, but they are not pro-Muslim. Muslims don't like Russia, China, and America.

[VictorWasechkin]

you'd better ask Muslims. Do you know how many muslims live in Russia? Don't they like Russia too? Are you stupid?

[jumpacliff2]

No, but I'm aware of their pissed off attitude toward Russia. Chechnya.

[VictorWasechkin]

haha. Sponsored by usa, britain assholes through Turkey, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia - their allies. How's that?

[jumpacliff2]

Still doesn't matter. They do not like Russia.

[seneca67]

Question. Since the USSR was barred religious faith, where did all the Muslims come from? Is it not more a process of insurgency? What about Chechnya? Surely, Muslims have given Russians a reason to be angry. Your thoughts?

[VictorWasechkin]

You question is not neutral. It contains several false presuppositions. Stalin himself reinstalled Orthodox church in 1944. Although some churches have been destroyed after that and and material things have been confiscated, but the Church remained under the communist rule and those who believed - they were allowed to believe. That's why there are so many people in churches now - no one could prevent people from keeping religion in hearts. What's wrong?

[seneca67]

A church subjected to political authority is crippled. Holy scriptures were contraband in Russia. I know because I was aware of the requests for Bibles from within the USSR at throughout the eighties. Many people smuggled bibles into the USSR at great risk. Churches were turned into museums in the USSR.

[VictorWasechkin]

Maybe instead of counting rockets you calculate casualties on both sides during the 20th century, or compare the kassam rocket victims and israel air strike victims?

Iran must have nukes to tame and balance the israel terrorists in the region. Any objections?

[seneca67]

Has Israel threatened Iran in any way? Do the two nation's even boarder each other? Yes, since Iran has threatened to erase Israel and the United States, you will hopefully understand that i must object to Iran possessing nuclear weapons. Actually, I object to Iran possessing power tools. Perhaps you can help to understand: who has threatened Iran? Anyone?

[VictorWasechkin]

the existence of israel is illegal, because according to UN act, it is only legitimate if Palestine is legitimate. Isreal blocks the Palestine independence and creates media-propaganda , using various tricks together with american military help. What about israel nuclear bomb then? isn't it completely illegal? Should we bomb Israel and take the bomb from them as they did to Syria?

[seneca67]

Please provide the UN cat you are referring too.

Israel has had the bomb since the vela satellite confirmed testing in the late seventies. Only recently in the face of threats of total annihilation from Iran, have they even hinted having it. Prior to that, in all those years, they never threatened its use. It would be suicide, and is therefore only a deterrent. Iran has yet to acquire such a weapon, but as that day approached they are already making threats. Not good.

[VictorWasechkin]

no, Golda Meir directly told Kissinger about the nuke in 1973, this Soviet-born Meir literally blackmailed usa, and they supplied weapons to israel. the nuclear program of israel was completely illegal and could destabilize the region, because these people have no culture, no respect to the others, they can only count dirty bucks (shekels).

[seneca67]

Golda was a charming lady. By the year 1973, Israel has been attacked in 48', 67, and 72'. Additionally, israel had suffered a nearly daily onslaught of terror incidents.

[VictorWasechkin]

Golda was a fascist and paranoid. israel deserves suffering.

[VictorWasechkin]

The UN Partition Plan for Palestine or UN General Assembly Resolution 181 was a plan approved by the United Nations on November 29, 1947 to terminate the British Mandate of Palestine by August 1, 1948 and recommend the creation of two states, one Jewish and one Arab, in Palestine.

This date is known as the beginning of the Naqba (Arabic for 'catastrophe'), in which nearly 800,000 people were displaced from their land inside what is now Israel for the creation of that state.

[seneca67]

In 1948 five arab nations attacked Israel. during. Jordan seized the West bank the, and Egypt seized Gaza. Thus it appears that the Arabs violated the resolution.

[VictorWasechkin]

perhaps you do not know the history. Israel was the provocateur in 1948, before that and after that. The story begins actually before the 1948. Read more before seeding you pro-sionist shit.

[seneca67]

Israel departed form Gaza in the hopes of demonstrating sincerity in the peace process. Hamas then began launching rockets from Gaza into Israel. Can they really expect nothing to happen as the launch rocket after rocket into Israel?

[VictorWasechkin]

Israel captured the territory that historically belongs to the Arabs. Any more questions? Arabs lead the liberating war against occupation, look at the history of the israel wars. Israel loses, asks for help from america, america sends help, islael wins, occupies land. Hamas wants justice, I think. Israel wants to secure own ass and protect own shit on the occupied land.

[seneca67]

Yes, I have a question, when and how did Israel capture these territories. Since you are either ignorant of or willfully ignoring the key facts I invite you to google the 67' war. I would also like to know if you are aware of which nations held the Gaza strip and the West bank prior to 67'? How did these nations acquire the Palestinian land? And finally, if a man jumps onto your back, do you beta him off?

: )

[VictorWasechkin]

why 67 war? why do not start from the 20th, from the help of british jews, then 1948 war (by the way, lehi and irgun, jewish terrorist gangs, wanted to join Hitler after Britain refused to help)? why do you cut history?

[VictorWasechkin]

israelis fascists must pay for all they did in the region since 1920s, when they moved there under british support.

[ma11ohad]

what are you talking about freak

[VictorWasechkin]

what you are asking about asshole, should I tell you the history of modern israel?