Why does Canada use the tar sand than? Remeber Yes we can have HIGH oil prices. Yes we can destroy jobs. Yes we can create hate. Oh Lord Jesus Christ, Plz help us.
This video calls it "Oil Sands". They are NOT "Oil Sands", they are "Tar Sands". That is why solvents are required to transport it. It is also why the ratio of energy out to energy in is a dismal 3:1.
Despite record profits, big oil receives billions of dollars in subsidies to use natural gas to recover the bitumen tar. The tar must then be processed into crude. We are only using this as a source of energy because we are becoming desperate.
I wonder if it has ever occured to you room temperature IQ little Orcs who wail and wring your hands over the aerial views of the tar sands properties, to do some research on what an aerial view of the lead mines ( and resulting pollution ) looks like, you know, for those "clean" electric Barbie Doll cars? Nah, stick with one-dimensional thinking...it suits you better and it's infinitely easier.
Hey, heard this mornings news? Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper went to China for a meeting about energy sales. Now, Keystone has begun the permit process to run the pipeline west to a terminal for shipment to Asia.
Nice going Obama, you have the business acumen of a 3rd grader or a community organizer.
Like it or not, the tar sands are going to be mined and processed, it's just a matter of where it goes, here or China. I've got my fingers crossed for $ 7.50 / gal gas.
The US should be wiped off the globe! Kill millions of innocent people and they feel justified. The US uses more oil than china, consuming pigs! Want to stop the oilsands, Quit fucking consuming the whole worlds supply, you corrupt communist pigs! Ron Paul was your only hope and you dumb crooks will never elect him. Your hyper-inflated dollar will crumble! FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA
@doyle30 That's because it goes through an extensive process of refinement. It's a HELL of an operation in Canada. It disgusts me to know what they are doing to there beautiful, pristine wilderness
@esca8652 its really not that much of a process, i work in industry. Actually the tar sands only take up less than 1% of the boreal forrest and open pit mining is only 20% of that. After a resource is depleted it is then filled in, remediated then reclaimed. There are sites that were depleted in the 80's that are huge forests now. Yes the tar sands fucks shit up but not half as much as people think. You wouldn't believe the equipment i sell for people to adhere to government regulation.
US faggots....after you poisoned the air and killed the last indian peoples in their reservates you locked them in, we hope you finally happy....living with a gas mask for breezing should be good enough...at least for the gas mask industry
may be you USAmericans should compare how many Engergy YOU waste per person and how others do..... But I forgot, YOU are NEVER wrong. You should pay the same prices for gas we pay in Europe....PROBLEM SOLVED....
"Observe that in all the propaganda of the ecologists—amidst all their appeals to nature and pleas for "harmony with nature"—there is no discussion of man's needs and the requirements of his survival. Man is treated as if he were an unnatural phenomenon. Man cannot survive in the kind of state of nature that the ecologists envision—i.e., on the level of sea urchins or polar bears"-- Ayn Rand
Fuck you socialist, gaia worshippers. The world is run by gas, oil, and coal. Go blow a windmill. Fucking douchebags. You'll bitch when you"green" energy cant keep you warm, can't power your AC, can't let your dirty hippie ass take a hot shower.Go "Occupy" reality. Fucking vermin
@Stickmodee you have the right to put a gun in your fuckn mouth and shoot yourself for that language BEFORE we come and wash it out with enviroment friendly soap you wanker
Hmmm that awful oil field stripped land is something to think about. I thought they were just drilling a hole or two and then pumping it through pipes with no problem. So what's with ripping the shreds out of of large areas of forest just to get some oil. Can someone explain how the hell that happens?
These anti-oil videos are retarded beyond belief. Bring bio-fuel to market, I'll buy it. Until then we need oil. All you environmentalists please please produce an alternative, otherwise just stfu.
Saying oil is "bad", but not providing us with an alternative is infuriating.
@crazywaffleking may be its a good idea just to use Energy a little bit with brain.... you are using more energy on OUR planet as everybody else does.... pay 8 USD a Gallon and thats it..... like in Europe
Many Americans would ride bicycles. But the US is NOT behind its words. Americans are druggies who don't understand what it means.
I ride a bicycle (oil is only one of many reasons) and I see how all those druggies are brainwashed. They support the wars and don't care what the costs are.
If the US really wanted to break the addiction - there would be separated bicycle facilities beside every single road.
We are addicted to energy not just oil. And when you show the ruined land in Canada also show the freeways of any major city in any country at "rush hour" and the coal strip-mining in various parts of the USA and around the world. Everyone sucking up the "energy" No one is immune!
The mining industry has a history of extraction and then bankruptcy and layoffs before reclamation is complete. To them, it's all about the numbers. What's so profitable about reclamation? Eventually, the tax payers are left with a huge cleanup. The only one's who truly benefit in the end are the CEOs.
It's been proven that activity in the sun cause warming. Carbon dioxide is plant food and water vapor has a greater green house effect. All the planets in the solar system are warming and later it will cool the planet has had many warm and cold periods. So let's be real the reason for green energy is to reduce dependence and stop pointless wars. Canada is Americas greatest friend so who eles would you want to buy oil from
@Scottish036 what a bullshit...you have to belive in terrorism in the first place sir... The only TERRORIST is the Oil Industry with Rumpsfeld and the Bushes on top of it. They MADE us thinking that there are TERRORISTS everywhere in the world.....LATER there really was Terrorism. If you are bombing my family away I will try to kill yours...thats the arab way of life I guess....and I kind of understand it. If the JewSA leave them alone there is no Terrorism anymore!!!
What part about "expensive energy" do liberals not understand? Look, nobody is going to trade with a country that raises prices on their exports because oil (or whatever source of energy) is too expensive. BUILD the pipeline, get cheaper oil, and start exporting again. This is a no-brainer. Our planet is tougher than what the liberal media wants us to believe. We can worry about it AFTER we get our economy under control.
do you know we drill salt water wells, we will use this water to produce steam,which is injected into the tar sands beneth the surface. the tar seperates and is pumped up from there.
furthermore reclaimation of our land is important too us,and is said reclaimed land thrives moreso than if we had not been there. just another Albertan
what concerns me most is that Canada is always compared with Nature, nice Woods, nice People and just clean Rivers and clean Enviroment - Makes me sad to learn the are the biggest polluter of natural enviroment these days, worse than China and Russia toghether - FUCK YOU CANADIANS for destroying OUR Planet - EAT your shit TarSand after you have poisoned everything else Its YOUR government so its YOU
@24moskito Instead of blaming where the tar sands are, you should blame the countries who are BUYING it. Canada would not process tar sands if it wasn't for US paying BILLIONS of dollars buying it as it was not cost-effective in the past. Canada is bounded by NAFTA to sell oil to US, or it will be considered an infringement. So by only blaming Canada, you are ignorant.
@nananeneh NO SIR, its not the fault of the handfull of northamerican natives that the oil industry is poisoning their rivers just because the oil is sold to the energy greedy US. You should read the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC) wish comes together with the NAFTA you mentioned above....Unfortunately everybody gives a rats ass on contracts these days when it comes to making money. I BLAME CANADA... thats where the oil is- you cant blame the buyers.
@24moskito If it was in America the same thing would be happening but at a much larger rate because America wouldn't need Canada as a buyer for most of it's oil.
@24moskito Um not at all. World wide the United states is ranked 2nd place for C02 emmisions while Canada is ranked 7th. China being the first of course. Try and live in an America where the oilsands were shut down and have fun with your destroyed economy that would eventually cripple our economy as well >.>
@chadberry75 we have to work together not fight to save the environment. useless to take one person comment seriously on either side....we do have means to develop other energy but the power brokers do not want their industries to disappear..research new energy and you will find some people killed because of their discoveries. we could have had a clean environment years ago. New Medical tools good for us do not get approved because it affects other industries that will loose money.
@chadberry75 it is not AMERICA....sry Sir but my South AMERICAN and CANADIAN friends are always angry if they read this....Brasil, Venezuela Mexico and a couple of other states are AMERICA too....so if you talk about USRAEL please write JewSA or USA instead. THANKS ...... and YES, the USA need a war in their very own country to understand what it means throwing bombs everywhere else....wanna see then who they call terrorists...or do they just say THX for killing my family?
Do you ever notice how both sides of the fence (pro/con oil sands) have this annoying habit of making a hyperbole out of everything? Any rational person knows that the oilsands are far from "ethical". but by the same token, the same rational person should understand that oil dependence isn't going to break overnight. Big oil companies aren't these greedy pushermen keeping us "hooked on oil". they are billion dollar businesses that invest more in alternative energy than most governments.
"big oils greed and determination to keep the US addicted to oil"..........seriously? what? canada is the fuckin boogey man now? Gee maybe take a peek at the middle east for a second and look at all the terrible shit thats happening there. Don't want canada's oil? Fine, thats your choice but unfortunately the united states NEEDS it. Without it your economy would literally collapse and you'd probably drag the rest of the world down with you.
If you want to stop the oilsands...then don't use oil at all...don't use electricity, don't use your cars, don't use your make-up, don't use anything. Is everyone okay with that? Yea...that's what I thought...
What the ignorant do not understand, is that if we keep allowing these huge corporations to pollute our environment, everyone in the next generation will have cancer of some kind. Wake-up!! Corruption is killing us.
@peterpotpie what crap, the canadian gov has a team of scientists monitoring the output of the tar sands, huge corparations are not bad they employ people, and they are NOT allowed to pollute. I dont see how corruption fits in with your viewpoint, unless you are saying that the Canadian is completely WRONG and you are completely right with regard to the pollution thing...confused
So does any scientist know what he fuck they are talking about yet? The planet is still here and depite 10 years of warming I still feel cold in Canada where's the global warming???
do not give me that shit about warming means cooling or i will, l shoot you! fucktards mae this shit up I tell ya,,,,
It is the environment and ecosystem that is the issue. Not if it inhabitable! It is an area as important for our survival as the rain forests of South America.
"Scientists say they can never be restored.".... Except that I have seen reclaimed land after a mining operation... and it looks better than it did before it was mined.
@assbackuds Your are delusional! You are justifying the destruction of your own countries treasures. You probably own stalk in the tar sands! Shame on you!
@eadreon Treasures! have you even been? mosquitoes the size of crows and appetite to match, low level scrub no use unless canada get so full, then it can build a housing estate on it, fucking place is shit! not one of the best places in Canada even without the tar sands development, just virtual scrub land and mud and lousy insects
HAHA funniest video ever. First thing he says about not reusable land, is a lie. They have parks there dedicated to disproving that theory. Also this is propaganda which shouldn't be taken seriously. Your all just jeolous because Canada has more money.
@assbackuds China does not have the infrastructure to process bitiman. More misinformation.
Keystone is an irresponsible company with 12 leaks in 12 months. We must collectively stand up against the false info and campaigning the media is spewing to the US and inform everyone of the pending disaster. I have been compiling and posting petitions, statistics and videos to my blog. Let's be the change. kim-hunter.blogspot.com
@kimhunter2 China could build a bitumen plant with its skills and huge work force in a quarter of the time frame than any other nation on earth!!! dont be stupid! and further, Assbackuds never said they could.
@devontown They will upgrade this oil in Alberta before sending it to China. There are NO Coking Towers to get the Carbon out of the Oil at $hell's Up-Grader in Alberta. We ADD hydrogen to make it into Light Crude. Old upgraders did have Coking Towers.
In fact 1 barrel of Crude from the Tarsands = 1 Barrel plus of Light Crude. I was told this By $HELL during my Safety Course when I Hired on during construction.
@kimhunter2 You comments are so one sided, show what the reclaimed land looks like.
The oil from the tar sands has been leaking into the water system for millions of years, what we are doing is removing it and cleaning the sane and then putting it back and allowing the forests to regrow on clean sand.
Try telling the truth for a change and not just lies paid for by the environutbars that have already spent over 90 million in Canada trying to kill our oil in favour of middle east.
Are you kidding me oldman ? How daft do you think the public is ? We don't need oil. We need geomagnetic, free energy. We need to sit on our resources and tell other countries to fuck right off, especially if they've consumed theirs already ( the USA. Fuck off )
Ambient static harvesters. Stirling Engines. Resonance Engines. Water is combustive, HIGHLY combustive. The problem is that it's already been burnt. All you have to do is separate it and re-burn it.
@justanoldman1 Actually, I am 10 generation Canadian and been helping make industry practices more accountable in my country for 20 years. How are you helping?
China now own the tarssands, Harper cut 600 000 manufacturing jobs in the East and forced 50% pay cuts.If you make $70 000 in the tarsands, you are below poverty.All of Canada will be lining up for McJobs as our rights and lands are sold off to private interests. p.s. Enbridge had another spill yesterday adding to the 800+.
@kimhunter2 How can you claim that our Prime Minister cut 600,00 manufacturing jobs? These jobs were lost because our unions demanded too high salaries and the companies moved the jobs to third world countries. How can you blame the Prime Minister for that, unless of course you are one of those loonie lefties that blame the PM's office for everything, like the NDP and Liberals do.
I have seen several companies close and each was a direct result of stupid unions and their members.
@justanoldman1 because the outsourcing is systematic corporatism. Everyone will be fighting each-other for McJobs soon. China owns the Alberta tarsands now, no matter what corporate puppet you align yourself with.
p.s. manufacturing jobs in Canada are paid up to 50% less than other developed nations.
@MaupoNaio Just to let you know it is already being built both to the USA and to China. I am not sorry I actually think your ignorance is amusing. An oilsands worker. By the way when it runs through the US maybe you will work for it and earn the 168 thousand dollars a year I do working on it.
Apparently you have no regard what so ever, especially other than for yourself. You clearly show that you're incapable of thinking past the event horizon of a spill, and the damages it will cause.
You're impervious to truth, because to you truth is harmful, you can't profit from it.
It all comes down to "money" for people like you. You can't make money off free clean energy so instead you would rather trample and damage the very planet that gives you life and sustains you.
I live in Canada and the USA is our principal commercial partner.Because of the failed pipeline project,it's million,even billion of dollars and hundred of jobs wich could be destroyed because Obama is too weak against ecologists.Could we accept that,when our Gross Domestic Production is between 0% and 3%?Did you just think about that?About the workers who couldn't have a job?About income's reduction,wich could up the risks of a recession?
@quebecois12345 I AM AN UNEMPLOYED OIL WORKER AND FORMER FOREMAN ON THE FIRST KEYSTONE PIPELINE AND A FORMER YARD BOSS FOR THE LARGEST TAR SAND OIL SPILL IN AMERICAN HISTORY. I SUPPORT OIL BUT I WILL NEVER WORK FOR A TAR SAND JOB AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS KILLING MY COMMUNITY. IT KILLED OVER 40 MILES OF FISH IN OUR RIVER AND THOUSANDS OF ANIMALS. WATCH (JOHN BOLENBAUGH ENBRIDGE KILLS US ONE BY ONE AND THEN PLEASE RE THINK YOUR OPINION. AMERICA DOESN'T WANT THIS PIPELINE.
@doyle30 Because they couldn't breath and the chemicals were to much for them to handle. After the Spill a large number of fish died in lake Michigan so we know that the chemicals traveled over 100 miles killing all the fish. Alot of the turtles made it but the animals seemed to die if they got it on them because they would lick it off and ingest it as they tried to clean themselves or if they were close to the fumes to long. Thousands of animals died. I saw with my own two eyes. It was so sad.
@johnBolenbaugh so how does canadian oil having a spill have any differences than american oil spills that happen every day? Whats the difference i don't understand ? What kind of chemicals and where from?
@doyle30 We know of about 20 toxic chemicals, you can go to (John Bolenbaugh Enbridge Kills us one by one) and the Enbridge MSDS sheet is on there for tar sand oil. It shows the chemicals and the harmful things it causes human and animal life. But the thinners used to get it to flow through the pipe are considered a company trade secret and Enbridge wont even release what they are to our local doctors that are trying to treat the sick residents. So we really don't know how bad they really are.
@johnBolenbaugh you know how your so wrong, any lab teck car take a sample and tell you whats in it. plus oil is full of chemicals from anywhere its not rocket science to know that. oil spills happen in america everyday that fuck shit up everywhere whats the difference
@doyle30 I only can speak that I know all the fish died for 40 miles because I worked in that area during the cleanup. But I have documents that say it killed fish in Lake Michigan 100 miles away but i don't have visual proof of that. Tar sand oil doesn't float and it is not as if it floated on the surface and the fish at the bottom were safe like they might be for normal crude oil. Tar sand oil is much heavier and several times more toxic because of the thinners used to push it through the pipe
@johnBolenbaugh i'm sorry you are greatly misinformed tar sands oil floats and has a viscosity that is no different than any other oil. Its even richer than many oils because the way its refined the way it is. If you didn't know out of all the oil usa has, 70% is imported and 30% of that imported oil comes from canada. So that means a fifth of americas oil comes from canada already straight from the oil sands.
@doyle30 I am not misinformed. We have video proof that the oil mostly sinks and flows on the bottom of our river. Enbridge after my videos and complaints have now admitted that there is over 200 acres of oil that they didn't know about because they cleared the areas last year of submerged oil. They admitted that they didn't know tar sand oil sank and now have created new methods to try to clean it from the bottom of our river. It s very different than normal crude oil. I am very factual in that
@johnBolenbaugh well i sell equipment to clean that shit up and that news to me. Oil floats its a property of oil by definition, solvents on the other hand sink like gasoline.
@doyle30 We may use a great deal of the tar sand oil. I am not saying that we don't I am just stating facts that i know. That when there is a leak or a spill in a water way or in large amounts on land the devastation it causes is not worth the oil we receive because we will some day soon be low on fresh water and we need all we can to survive longer on this planet. Will you please watch my videos for the proof. Enbridge, epa, the news, and any local tek will tell you that is sinks and is sunk.
@doyle30 YOU ARE VERY RIGHT THAT GAS WILL HURT THE ENVIRONMENT NO MATTER WHERE IT IS FROM. I support you and your equipment business. i am not trying to hurt your income by showing my videos. I just want everyone to see that Enbridge really buried oil and told us to not clean the oil up properly. I saw them plant grass and put dirt over oil so bad that they over a year later they are now being made to re dig the entire 2 mile area that they buried oil back out. Its unbelievable but it did happen
@doyle30 Ny entire family puts in pipe for oil companies. I worked as a foreman, yard boss and a clean up worker for pipelines and the largest tar sand spill in history. My family is each losing over a hundred thousand a year because the xl pipeline has not been approved and they are laid off right now. I DONT say this because I hate oil or pipeline companies. I am only stating THE TRUTH. (WATCH THIS NEWS REPORT ( JOHN BOLENBAUGH MORE PROOF I REPORTED A REAL ENBRIDGE COVER UP) TO SEE SUNK OIL
@johnBolenbaugh once again gas sinks, well thats capitalism, what you county is built on. your dollar will collapse in the next 15 years anyways. you guys are fucked with your debt exceeding your yearly gdp this year. good riddance america
@johnBolenbaugh You are right again about Americas money going down, But we at least dont want the dirtiest oil in the world running even more through our country than it already is. Even Canada doesnt want the northern gateway pipeline and my videos are the biggest evidence right now against it. It has been 9 yrs and still no approval for it through Canada because your residents dont want it and neither do we. Sure you want more pipe and more spills because you make $ selling cleaning equipment
@johnBolenbaugh Well, apparently it did not kill you soon enough to suit me, but I'll settle for you having a stroke from typing in all caps, you moron. If more people like you would just ride a bicycle and wear a beanie with a solar powered propeller on top, the world would be a happier, cleaner place. : )
@johnBolenbaugh What happened to you, Mr. self-proclaimed "hero" and proud-as-punch snitch? Got caught lyin' your ass off, eh? Typical Leftist fake military crybaby tattle-tale. ROFLMAO
@LunaticFringeHunter I have proved every word I have ever said. I have never been called a liar and If I lied about one thing Enbridge would file a defamation of character lawsuit against me. Guess what they cant because I am factual. Everyone else calls me a hero not me. I just do what is right when no one else will. And whistle blowers win millions because they told the truth about company lies and cover ups. not snitches :) I laugh when I see guys like you try to call me a liar with nothing
@quebecois12345 clean energy jobs and investments surpassed all fossil fuel jobs in the US last year. It is only our son of an oil baron here in Canada and the 360 000 barrels a day used by the US for WAR alone. The real numbers were 50 full time jobs on the KXL. Outsourced steel and work is standard. If you make less than $70 000 a year in the tarsands, you can't afford housing. China owns TSands. If we research beyond the industry owned mainstream media, we see the real costs.
It's maybe true in the US,but in Canada the Tar Sand of Alberta is the biggest income source of this Province.The difference is that our ecological lobbiystes are stronger.Why do you think we need to take all to build a wind farm or a hydroelectric dam?I live in Quebec,the most environmental province of the country,and if we don't exploit this energy,and sell it to the USA,our economy will be destroyed.
@kimhunter2 "$70 000 a year in the tarsands, you can't afford housing" Actually from a guy who has lived/rented/worked there and has friends who PRESENTLY live there(Ft. mac:tarsands), you can get by on much less than $70,000. I know lots of people who make around 30-35000 a year. But ideally because of the price of rent/houses You can live very comfortably for at 50,000 a year. your average job at mcdonalds there pays like $14/hr. A guy i know makes $21/hr at Quiznos.
@kimhunter2ALBERTA/CANADA theoretically(not technically of course) owns 100% of it's tar sands.Not that we would, but we COULD nationlize it, or completly shut it down for some LEGIT environmntal reason.Which in turn would cause a mass migration of CND workers flock to the states to find jobs.Fucking America over even more. Its like me saying" Well i own a few bricks from the hoover dam, & i can take them at any time i wish, even if they support the entire stucture. cause i OWN them.
@quebecois12345 Meh I think Obama is just trying to save face so the ecomaniacs will vote for him. If he does get re-elected (not saying anything about chances..) then i think he would say yes.
Trees are a RENEWABLE resourse. they will grow back. This next comment isn't towards all americans just the people who made this video. how come it is all about you we aren't digging up the oil sand to for you. we don't have and i qoute "the determination to keep us addicted to oil." the world doesn't revolve around you. we are doing it to stregnthen our economy. lastly i want to ask what scientists does the narrator keep mentioning? where are their qualifications? what makes them reliable?
@brightstarone there are thousands of acres of forest in canada. the forest survived millions of years including whatever killed the dinosaures i am sure it will be fine
@brightstarone Tell me mix, let's suppose that the soil is permeated with sulfuric acid and many other toxic elements that are hostile to vegetation and all life for that matter, would any plant be able to establish its root system into that soil to grow and prosper like it did before those toxic elements were placed there? Are the dirty oil producers going to replace what they have destroyed or are the going to rape the land and leave it destroyed and devoid of its former life.
@brightstarone Tell me mix, let's suppose that the soil is permeated with sulfuric acid and many other toxic elements that are hostile to vegetation and all life for that matter, would any plant be able to establish its root system into that soil to grow and prosper like it did before those toxic elements were placed there? Are the dirty oil producers going to replace what they have destroyed or are the going to rape the land and leave it destroyed and devoid of its former life. I'm not so sure.
@brightstarone you may be right but what if these harsh chemicals force trees to mutate. become stronger. we may end up with a better more evolved forest
@assbackuds this information skewed in an oddly blaming way but the proportion is remarkably underestimated in the extent of devastation ...the flora and fauna of the entire globe have been affected by the tar sands production of oil
The Asian countries are indeed investing to our detriment for their control
The Asian countries have oil so why produce oil for them so they can exhaust our supply at our expense.
For the benefit of Canadians, the reference to the North Sea is ten years out of date but longshore fisherman were wearing respirators while fishing so they would not get any spray in mouths, many fish caught had deformaties, fungus etc etc, the water was a toxic soup
They were also dumping raw sewerage into the sea killing hundreds of square miles of ocean floor.
Then there was the dumping of radioactive waste into the sea I think people from Britain should clean there act up
@assbackuds I realise 100,000 sq mi may not be the size of a province in Canada, but I wouldn't go so far as to write it off as nothing to worry about. Global warming is supported by the scientific/academic (not to mention political) community now, this isn't the 90s where you can just shrug it off as not being a real concern.
And re: switching to a clean energy source, economic for who? You? Big oil? The plant we all share, live on, and, I hope needless to say, rely on in order to stay alive?
@goddessdvne I think economic means exactly that, we live in the real world! try and stay in it while trying to win your argument. the tar sands will be cleaner in future, a lot of research is taking place. I dont know what the size of the UK has to do with anything? but it too has big holes in the ground created by nasty profit making scoundrels and polution in the recent past that has long since made the groundwater toxic, your point?
@devontown Means exactly what? I offered 3 options. If you read my initial comment I was saying that the land area of destruction of the tar sands is the size of the UK, generally by putting things into perspective with real world analogies help people to understand the size of the problem. My point was to highlight the massive area that is being destroyed. The problem lies with oil dependancy first, and specifically with the tar sands with the massive amount of energy required to extract...
@devontown the oil; the amount of ancient forests that have to be cut down, removing an amazing ecosystem; the fact that this land will not be returned to it's former beauty; the tailing ponds which are leaking into the ground water and causing local animals and people to become sick, local fisherman have caught fish with 3 eyes and hunchbacks, communities which used to have members die from old age are having young people die from illnesses due to the poison they are ingesting from the water.
@goddessdvne You speak of the boreal forest as if its some kind of magical land with deer running through it. Here as someone who has lived their ENTIRE life in the boreal forest of northern Alberta i can tell you it is nothing more than a muskeg bog with little amounts of "amazing" ecosystem. Now don't get me wring i love the environment and have spent most of my life outside living in "mother nature" unlike you i suspect. But don't speak of it like its some magical Bambie land.
@blambo35 Since when did 'ecosystem' mean 'magical land with deer running through it'? I have spent quite a lot of time with mother nature, & the forests I'm used to (which are 10* latitude south of the boreal forest) are full of deer, squirrels, coyotes, birds, fish, toads, rabbits, etc. But I wouldn't say that makes them anymore of an ecosystem than the boreal forest. My backyard resembles Bambi's forest much more than the colder climate of the 50th parallel, but I didn't cite Bambi, you did.
@goddessdvne Give me one reference to 3 eyed fish, just ONE, You fucking ignorant cock sucking limey. You are nothing but a LIER. One reference, i dare you.
@blambo35 Raymond Ladoucer, an elder from Fort Chipewyan speaks about the changes he's seen in the fish as well as his community around 3.34 of (The Tar Sands on bulldogger's page) I'll have to correct myself: he doesn't say three eyes, but does talk about other deformities.
And once again, if you could refrain from name calling, it would do a lot for your argument. Mostly because, sticking with your main complaint of not having facts straight, I'm not English.
@goddessdvne fish with hump backs and three eyes are also caught in the Fucking North Sea, the ancient forests that you are talking about are burned down quite naturally, quite often, most of the trees up there are quite new thanks not so ancient.
weyerhoser (LOL) has cut all the good stuff down for the American housing boom, funny but we still have plenty of trees, hows the UK national forest coming on? LOL
@devontown If you can tell me the source of contamination for the fish in the North Sea, I'll be against that as well.
Like I've said, the UK isn't perfect, forests only account for 10-12% of the land (UK Forestry website), and similarly to what you say America has done, England cut down Ireland's ancient forests during the industrial revolution in order to preserve theirs. But what does this have to do with our (specifically America's) addiction to oil?
@devontown I'm not trying to say that the UK is perfect by any means, in fact I'm not even sure why you're turning the argument that way, every country has their dirty little problems/secrets. My point was to highlight the massive level of destruction and devastation, as I said. And how do you know the tar sands will be cleaner in the future? A lot of research is also taking place with solar, wind, and hydro power. Currently Ireland is developing generators to capture tidal energy.
@goddessdvne there is no argument, you are talking about something you know very little about, I live here in Alberta and compared to my time in the UK I can honestly say that the air, water is cleaner here, only six times bigger than the UK with a population of 3 million we also have a LOT of real estate spare for some mining. I work with several agencies that are working constantly on tar sands refineing methods. Land stripped of oil is reclaimed and turned back into original Praire,tundra ??
@devontown Where in the UK? The cities of course would not be a good representative of clean anything. And many areas have notoriously hard water, which although clean, is full of minerals which would make it seem not as clean as soft water. You're right, Europe does have less land to spread out over. 'Everything's bigger over there' seems to be a general consensus. Do you have pictures of this reclaimed land? I'd like to see it. You say it's exactly like what was ripped up?
@goddessdvne Around nottingham :) but I lived all over.The North sea problems should be on Google, as should reclaimed land, so should the fact that the responsible Canadian govt agency found the water downstream of Fort Mac to be within legal limits.
I guess this all boils down to which bullshit you like to believe in, or not? as pointed out by others as well as myself, we belive the you have been reading bullshit you like, n'est-ce pas?
@devontown I think really what it boils down to is whether or not you think mankind's addiction to oil is a good thing or not. Whether everyone needs their own car, or if walking, cycling, or public transportation is a better option. Whether everyone needs pre-packaged, prepared food, or if people should buy ingredients with limited packaging (fresh fruit and veg) from local farms and cook. Whether everyone needs to buy new bottles of water everyday, or use refillable reusable bottles.
@goddessdvne I dont think any addiction is very good, however :) whether you like it or not we all live in the same society that gobbles oil up with everything. we all like to work, breathe, eat and have kids, holidays etc,etc. the real question facing people opposed to extracting oil (YOU) is how many of these things are YOU ready to give up?
Right now, I am NOT prepared to give anything up. I live in a cold country, I want to stay warm, I live in a BIG country, I need to travel, Shrug!
@devontown Before reading the rest of this comment, I want to make sure we're on the same page in that the country you are living in is Canada? If so, does Canada not have public transportation? Have the car companies not started to sell hybrid cars in Canada? Is there no energy company in Canada offering energy from renewable sources? Has Canada not developed or started using wind, solar, or hydro energy?
I make a lot of life choices based on how much energy is required for those things.
@goddessdvne Where I live in DEVON ab you cant get there from here without a car. the town supplies my water and electricity, the North Saskatchewan river runs through Devon, we drink from that and the piss and shit goes back in and then Edmonton gets to drink it. the electricity comes from Genesee 3 power station coal fired.
I have no choices here! only rich people can afford hybrid cars thats why you see so few in Canada. If you want to live a long time in Canada then a big car is best
@devontown So your only real consumption of oil is in driving a car? So what's the big deal to you if people finally wise up and stop drilling for oil? Why does living a long time in Canada require a big car? I've never bought a car, so the whole thing kind of evades my thinking. I always just think if you're going to spend a lot of money on something that loses it's value immediately, why not go for the one that will save you money in the long run by not having to spend as much on gas.
@goddessdvne My dear young lady, OIL is our existence, our economy, with the best intentions in the world there is nothing you can do as an individual to alter the outcome of an overpopulated planet, it isn't what we do that counts, its HOW MANY!
So if only one person lived in the whole of canada, no matter how polluting was his automobile, he could never pollute the planet, however give 6 Billion people a honda fit/jazz and everyone will be gasping for breath
@devontown Don't patronise me. You have no idea how old I am. Nor does my age matter in this debate. You're completely missing the point (which if I wanted to play your game I could attribute it to your 'old age'). Humans lived and prospered for thousands of years without oil. And we're developed enough now to have the technology to get energy from elsewhere. It's corrupt Big Oil and nothing will ever be economic enough to make them stop. But I believe it's worth trying. Every little bit counts.
@goddessdvne NO! I have not missed the point, you have! Humans lived in shit and pestilence and generally died quite young, right up until 1950 I would say that most peoples lives would be intolerable to us today, my point that it only has got better (in the west + some east) since then. All young people think they can change the world, that is why I thought you may be young. Changing anything in our society costs something, question how much will you want to lose?
@devontown Point missing= Missing(Forgetting?) the fact that we have technology to supply us with energy that does not require oil. Missing the fact that just because you take oil away does not mean jumping in a time machine and undoing things like indoor plumbing (we won't be living in shit) or medical advances (we won't be living in pestilence and dying young). Please explain how moving forward with technology will take us backward in time? Your premise makes no sense.
@goddessdvne My premise won't make any sense to someone who does not accept that this world NOW is oil based.
If we take it away we are fucked with a capital F! coincidentaly two billion extra people willl starve to death next year all you have to do is stop oil production now!
Medical advance will mean no disposables so reusing hypo's will be fun then again
Oil NOW is the key to our future, our jobs ,futures, lifestyles and freedoms depend on it, not saying it should not change, it should!
@devontown You're still not making any sense. You're proposing a world in which we do not move forward with the technologies we are developing (See Obama's letter to Congress the other day about this? No more tax breaks to oil companies, go and read). You either believe in progress or you do not. I'm not denying the fact that the world is now dependent on oil, I'm saying that addiction is bad, and will ruin us. We will run out of oil, what then of your 'key to our future'?
@goddessdvne Sorry we ARE moving forward all the time, again sorry if its not fast enough for tree huggers but I believe most sensible people in the western world want to keep jobs standards of living etc. we can only move as fast as techno allows. saying we should stop using oil now is childish and not very responsible for those two billion people living on it.
You can stop anytime using it you like, the rest of us will take a little longer to quit, been my theme all along!
@devontown You are still missing the fact that technology is far more advanced than what we are using because big Oil companies are in bed with banks and governments, able to get tax cuts and make quite a lot more money for themselves than the 'two billion people' you're talking about. Are these 'two billion people' all employed and working on the tar sands? There are job organizations whose goal is to help train those working on oil or coal to more sustainable and secure energy producing jobs.
@goddessdvne I am not missing anything! WE LIVE IN AN ECONOMY Duh! Money goes round thats why worthless people like us can get computers!!! god you are naive. Two Billion people WILL die If YOU get your goal, the world cant grow enough food without oil derived fertilizers. Stop drilling they die simple!
Businesses are conservative by nature dont expect Ford to drop everything to make you a fucking batttery car. 6.5 billion and everyone of them THINKS they are special, shakin my head now
@devontown Well sir, as I have no idea where your figures or your logic are coming from, I'm afraid this conversation has come to an end. You might want to look into some very intelligent people researching mycology as far as the fertilisers to grow food goes. Other than that, I'm at a complete loss. You've most definitely convinced me that some people out there think they are special and have the answers to everything.
@goddessdvne We do NOT have the technology to simply stop using oil right now and replace it with another source of fuel that would keep the ecomonmy working. You hear this all the time from people who grew up in cities, only know cities, and therefore have a huge misunderstanding of the importance of oil in the survival of our economy. You can ride a bicycle to work every day but a farmer can not. True we must GRADUALLY switch over, but we just dont have the technology replace oil yet.
@FriendOfSarahConnor The point is that we're not using the technologies we have because big Oil gets massive amounts of tax breaks from governments and massive amounts of funding from banks. If the government and the banks were to support things like solar, wind, hydro (including tidal) energy, the way they support oil, the transition would be much smoother and we'd be further along. The unfortunate thing is, without pressure from the people, the government and banks will have no reason to.
@FriendOfSarahConnor And thank you for not assuming I grew up in a city by using the non-specific 'you'. It's incredibly frustrating when people just assume things about you because of your love for the planet and views about preserving it. I understand farming requires a longer amount of time to switch technology. But, I also think this is not the place to discuss farming. We'll find a farming video to talk about GMOs, pesticides, antibiotics, growth hormones, indeed, all of mega-agriculture.
@goddessdvne You obviously have no idea how much we need fossil fuels to grow a crop, or produce goods in a factory or produce electricity. We cant just stop. As soon as technologies exist to replace diesel engines and natural gas for heat we will use them. I agree that we need to wean off fossil fuels. WE ARE! It cant happen all at once.
@FriendOfSarahConnor It's also a matter of businesses deciding that the planet we live on is a bit more important than a little extra profit. I work for an international company that doesn't use oil in it's factories to produce products. Granted, oil has to be used for transport. The fact of the matter is that people do have a choice, but either from ignorance or want of convenience, decide to stick with the old technology. Solar power is great for heating water, and for central heating.
@devontown Whether people should not pay attention to what they buy, or if simply reading a label and avoiding products with are made with oil or oil derived ingredients. And I think that has nothing to do with what bullshit one may or may not be reading. We all share this planet, it's beautiful (maybe not blambo35's 'muskeg bog' but most of it is), it gives us food, water, air, life, and I just think we need to treat it (and each other) with a bit more respect.
@goddessdvne Doing without oil right now is impossible, you either buy the terror oil or the Canadian stuff your choice, ours starts at 25$ cost per barrel, terror oil starts costs around 4$, market price is the same!
Seems that terror oil is making more nasty profit than the Canadian shit eh?
Keep shouting long enough someone will hear you :) even if the USA and Canada cuts consumption by half, the rest of the world will still buy the tars sands total output forever till its ALL gone
@devontown Actually, as it stands at the moment, pending talks in the European Parliament, oil from the Canadian tar sands is not used in the EU. So that leaves a little less of 'the rest of the world [who] will still buy the tar sands total output forever till its ALL gone'.
Although you may not be hearing my shouting, I hope some people are. There are very simple lifestyle choices one can make to cut down their oil consumption. It's easier than you think.
@goddessdvne Good! euro can use the terror oil then, don't worry one day they will be bidding for a share of the oil sands, just like everyone else. at the moment buyers still have a choice of countries to buy from, in 10 years time?
HA HA they will be here!
I already have a lowest catagory consumption of energy, I would have to spend a huge amount of money to cut my consumption any more.
Modest home, low milege, never bathe, hell who needs soap lol, green as fuck!
@devontown I wonder, since you have the 'lowest catagory consumption of energy', if you think those that are more wasteful should clean up their acts? Not buy bottled water. Not drive so much. Bathe less and more responsibly. Etc. Because, clearly, you do not think the industry should be held responsible.
@goddessdvne Again, without those nasty industries we would not have the excellent lifestyles we have today, I am old enough to remember different times, trust me you do not want to go back even 50 years :) life (at the moment) would become quickly impossible with out oil, industries are already looking for subsitutes and as soon as it becomes economic they will switch out, I notice most younger activists want to change everything overnight but trust me, it will take the remaining oil to ween us
@devontown If it takes the remaining oil it will be too late. Experts say if all the oil is removed from the tar sands the massive amount of energy and land destruction will be enough to tip the scales of global warming. How exactly was life 50 year ago impossible? People lived right? People were able to clothe themselves, feed themselves, get from point A to point B. In fact, I'm pretty sure humans lived all over this planet long before oil took over.
Why does Canada use the tar sand than? Remeber Yes we can have HIGH oil prices. Yes we can destroy jobs. Yes we can create hate. Oh Lord Jesus Christ, Plz help us.
siouxfalls100 1 day ago
This video calls it "Oil Sands". They are NOT "Oil Sands", they are "Tar Sands". That is why solvents are required to transport it. It is also why the ratio of energy out to energy in is a dismal 3:1.
Despite record profits, big oil receives billions of dollars in subsidies to use natural gas to recover the bitumen tar. The tar must then be processed into crude. We are only using this as a source of energy because we are becoming desperate.
DBMScorchy 1 week ago
I wonder if it has ever occured to you room temperature IQ little Orcs who wail and wring your hands over the aerial views of the tar sands properties, to do some research on what an aerial view of the lead mines ( and resulting pollution ) looks like, you know, for those "clean" electric Barbie Doll cars? Nah, stick with one-dimensional thinking...it suits you better and it's infinitely easier.
LunaticFringeHunter 3 weeks ago
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Hey, heard this mornings news? Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper went to China for a meeting about energy sales. Now, Keystone has begun the permit process to run the pipeline west to a terminal for shipment to Asia.
Nice going Obama, you have the business acumen of a 3rd grader or a community organizer.
Like it or not, the tar sands are going to be mined and processed, it's just a matter of where it goes, here or China. I've got my fingers crossed for $ 7.50 / gal gas.
LunaticFringeHunter 3 weeks ago
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The US should be wiped off the globe! Kill millions of innocent people and they feel justified. The US uses more oil than china, consuming pigs! Want to stop the oilsands, Quit fucking consuming the whole worlds supply, you corrupt communist pigs! Ron Paul was your only hope and you dumb crooks will never elect him. Your hyper-inflated dollar will crumble! FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA! FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA FUCK USA
dPain261 3 weeks ago
dirty oil? Seems to make my car run the same as any other source of oil.
doyle30 1 month ago
@doyle30 That's because it goes through an extensive process of refinement. It's a HELL of an operation in Canada. It disgusts me to know what they are doing to there beautiful, pristine wilderness
esca8652 3 weeks ago
@esca8652 its really not that much of a process, i work in industry. Actually the tar sands only take up less than 1% of the boreal forrest and open pit mining is only 20% of that. After a resource is depleted it is then filled in, remediated then reclaimed. There are sites that were depleted in the 80's that are huge forests now. Yes the tar sands fucks shit up but not half as much as people think. You wouldn't believe the equipment i sell for people to adhere to government regulation.
doyle30 3 weeks ago
dirtier that coal?
doyle30 1 month ago
damn you all you mystics of muscle.
uhaegde2wiceover 1 month ago
THIS IS A JOOOOOOKE!!!!
theoldshap 1 month ago
US faggots....after you poisoned the air and killed the last indian peoples in their reservates you locked them in, we hope you finally happy....living with a gas mask for breezing should be good enough...at least for the gas mask industry
24moskito 1 month ago
may be you USAmericans should compare how many Engergy YOU waste per person and how others do..... But I forgot, YOU are NEVER wrong. You should pay the same prices for gas we pay in Europe....PROBLEM SOLVED....
24moskito 1 month ago
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"Observe that in all the propaganda of the ecologists—amidst all their appeals to nature and pleas for "harmony with nature"—there is no discussion of man's needs and the requirements of his survival. Man is treated as if he were an unnatural phenomenon. Man cannot survive in the kind of state of nature that the ecologists envision—i.e., on the level of sea urchins or polar bears"-- Ayn Rand
backlighting 1 month ago
Fuck you socialist, gaia worshippers. The world is run by gas, oil, and coal. Go blow a windmill. Fucking douchebags. You'll bitch when you"green" energy cant keep you warm, can't power your AC, can't let your dirty hippie ass take a hot shower.Go "Occupy" reality. Fucking vermin
Stickmodee 1 month ago
@Stickmodee you have the right to put a gun in your fuckn mouth and shoot yourself for that language BEFORE we come and wash it out with enviroment friendly soap you wanker
24moskito 1 month ago
@24moskito You're too much of a pussy to do that. Go eat some bean sprouts and tofu, little girl.
Stickmodee 1 month ago
The people say: YOU WILL LISTEN!
AspinceLaframboise 1 month ago
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Hmmm that awful oil field stripped land is something to think about. I thought they were just drilling a hole or two and then pumping it through pipes with no problem. So what's with ripping the shreds out of of large areas of forest just to get some oil. Can someone explain how the hell that happens?
guyNbluejeans 1 month ago
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guyNbluejeans 1 month ago
These anti-oil videos are retarded beyond belief. Bring bio-fuel to market, I'll buy it. Until then we need oil. All you environmentalists please please produce an alternative, otherwise just stfu.
Saying oil is "bad", but not providing us with an alternative is infuriating.
crazywaffleking 1 month ago
@crazywaffleking may be its a good idea just to use Energy a little bit with brain.... you are using more energy on OUR planet as everybody else does.... pay 8 USD a Gallon and thats it..... like in Europe
24moskito 1 month ago
I was for Canadian oil buy after many hours of research I've completely changed my outlook. We must rid ourselves of oil completely.
im1greatman 1 month ago
Many Americans would ride bicycles. But the US is NOT behind its words. Americans are druggies who don't understand what it means.
I ride a bicycle (oil is only one of many reasons) and I see how all those druggies are brainwashed. They support the wars and don't care what the costs are.
If the US really wanted to break the addiction - there would be separated bicycle facilities beside every single road.
cyclenut 1 month ago
31 people didnt watch the video
ancientswordfighters 2 months ago
We are addicted to energy not just oil. And when you show the ruined land in Canada also show the freeways of any major city in any country at "rush hour" and the coal strip-mining in various parts of the USA and around the world. Everyone sucking up the "energy" No one is immune!
b3boneman 2 months ago 2
It's easy to manipulate Albertan's minds. It's so cold up there, they're all inside watching TV commercials.
morriswil32 2 months ago
The mining industry has a history of extraction and then bankruptcy and layoffs before reclamation is complete. To them, it's all about the numbers. What's so profitable about reclamation? Eventually, the tax payers are left with a huge cleanup. The only one's who truly benefit in the end are the CEOs.
morriswil32 2 months ago
It's been proven that activity in the sun cause warming. Carbon dioxide is plant food and water vapor has a greater green house effect. All the planets in the solar system are warming and later it will cool the planet has had many warm and cold periods. So let's be real the reason for green energy is to reduce dependence and stop pointless wars. Canada is Americas greatest friend so who eles would you want to buy oil from
lehrjet31 2 months ago
@Scottish036 what a bullshit...you have to belive in terrorism in the first place sir... The only TERRORIST is the Oil Industry with Rumpsfeld and the Bushes on top of it. They MADE us thinking that there are TERRORISTS everywhere in the world.....LATER there really was Terrorism. If you are bombing my family away I will try to kill yours...thats the arab way of life I guess....and I kind of understand it. If the JewSA leave them alone there is no Terrorism anymore!!!
24moskito 2 months ago
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To Canada: Pipe it to the west coast,and sell it to China! The US has blown it,sell it to a country who wants it,and who can afford to pay you. :)
CopperHydroxide 2 months ago
if were gonna speal over the oilsands and what our goverment is about,lets first unwravel America's government and 9/11??
brian5304 2 months ago
What part about "expensive energy" do liberals not understand? Look, nobody is going to trade with a country that raises prices on their exports because oil (or whatever source of energy) is too expensive. BUILD the pipeline, get cheaper oil, and start exporting again. This is a no-brainer. Our planet is tougher than what the liberal media wants us to believe. We can worry about it AFTER we get our economy under control.
MrAmputechture 2 months ago
I'm not convinced, maybe creepier music would help:)
ALPHADOG3 2 months ago
i work the patch (in the tar sands projects)
do you know we drill salt water wells, we will use this water to produce steam,which is injected into the tar sands beneth the surface. the tar seperates and is pumped up from there.
furthermore reclaimation of our land is important too us,and is said reclaimed land thrives moreso than if we had not been there. just another Albertan
brian5304 2 months ago
@brian5304 man trying to protect his job, I understand. But this whole operation is just plain fucking sick. It needs to stop.
odiumhumanigeneri616 2 months ago
what concerns me most is that Canada is always compared with Nature, nice Woods, nice People and just clean Rivers and clean Enviroment - Makes me sad to learn the are the biggest polluter of natural enviroment these days, worse than China and Russia toghether - FUCK YOU CANADIANS for destroying OUR Planet - EAT your shit TarSand after you have poisoned everything else Its YOUR government so its YOU
24moskito 3 months ago
@24moskito Instead of blaming where the tar sands are, you should blame the countries who are BUYING it. Canada would not process tar sands if it wasn't for US paying BILLIONS of dollars buying it as it was not cost-effective in the past. Canada is bounded by NAFTA to sell oil to US, or it will be considered an infringement. So by only blaming Canada, you are ignorant.
nananeneh 2 months ago
@nananeneh NO SIR, its not the fault of the handfull of northamerican natives that the oil industry is poisoning their rivers just because the oil is sold to the energy greedy US. You should read the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC) wish comes together with the NAFTA you mentioned above....Unfortunately everybody gives a rats ass on contracts these days when it comes to making money. I BLAME CANADA... thats where the oil is- you cant blame the buyers.
24moskito 2 months ago
@24moskito If it was in America the same thing would be happening but at a much larger rate because America wouldn't need Canada as a buyer for most of it's oil.
Whoexactlyshatonwho 1 month ago
@24moskito Um not at all. World wide the United states is ranked 2nd place for C02 emmisions while Canada is ranked 7th. China being the first of course. Try and live in an America where the oilsands were shut down and have fun with your destroyed economy that would eventually cripple our economy as well >.>
Whoexactlyshatonwho 1 month ago
fuck, u america..go invade a country..oh,,wait sorry..u need OUR oil..2 spread so-called democracy..around the world..
chadberry75 3 months ago
@chadberry75 we have to work together not fight to save the environment. useless to take one person comment seriously on either side....we do have means to develop other energy but the power brokers do not want their industries to disappear..research new energy and you will find some people killed because of their discoveries. we could have had a clean environment years ago. New Medical tools good for us do not get approved because it affects other industries that will loose money.
allrelated1 2 months ago
@chadberry75 it is not AMERICA....sry Sir but my South AMERICAN and CANADIAN friends are always angry if they read this....Brasil, Venezuela Mexico and a couple of other states are AMERICA too....so if you talk about USRAEL please write JewSA or USA instead. THANKS ...... and YES, the USA need a war in their very own country to understand what it means throwing bombs everywhere else....wanna see then who they call terrorists...or do they just say THX for killing my family?
24moskito 2 months ago
They are cleaning the sand, taking the oil out of it.
Sounds like that actually helps the environment.
Go Canada!
Jamespot24 3 months ago
@Jamespot24 yeah its not really that simple... but thanks haha
DaBluedude100 3 months ago
Do you ever notice how both sides of the fence (pro/con oil sands) have this annoying habit of making a hyperbole out of everything? Any rational person knows that the oilsands are far from "ethical". but by the same token, the same rational person should understand that oil dependence isn't going to break overnight. Big oil companies aren't these greedy pushermen keeping us "hooked on oil". they are billion dollar businesses that invest more in alternative energy than most governments.
PringDaddyPring 3 months ago
"big oils greed and determination to keep the US addicted to oil"..........seriously? what? canada is the fuckin boogey man now? Gee maybe take a peek at the middle east for a second and look at all the terrible shit thats happening there. Don't want canada's oil? Fine, thats your choice but unfortunately the united states NEEDS it. Without it your economy would literally collapse and you'd probably drag the rest of the world down with you.
CALGARY OILberta Canada
Wehrmacht3GD 3 months ago
AND its getting cold again, anybody got some of that global fuckin warming yet? didn't think so, LOL dumbasses!
devontown 3 months ago
love how they promote prius's at the start even though a prius still runs on gas
Simpsizzle15 3 months ago
We are already building the pipeline and YES it is heading towards the States. Sorry folks.
OOberization 3 months ago
@OOberization yes they are and the next one will go west to prince george and huge docks and possible refinery for the ASIAN market
devontown 3 months ago
If you want to stop the oilsands...then don't use oil at all...don't use electricity, don't use your cars, don't use your make-up, don't use anything. Is everyone okay with that? Yea...that's what I thought...
CanadianIndian88 3 months ago
In my 35 years of work as an Industrial Electrician, I have yet to see what Dirty Oil Sands look like. It's Clean!
Edmonton OILberta Canada.
jackpontiac52 3 months ago
It's called 'global warming', not 'devontown warming'. The tar sands emit a staggering amount of CO2 and toxic sludge, it's a crime against humanity.
debbienj69 4 months ago
@debbienj69 BULLSHIT
chadberry75 3 months ago
What the ignorant do not understand, is that if we keep allowing these huge corporations to pollute our environment, everyone in the next generation will have cancer of some kind. Wake-up!! Corruption is killing us.
peterpotpie 4 months ago
@peterpotpie what crap, the canadian gov has a team of scientists monitoring the output of the tar sands, huge corparations are not bad they employ people, and they are NOT allowed to pollute. I dont see how corruption fits in with your viewpoint, unless you are saying that the Canadian is completely WRONG and you are completely right with regard to the pollution thing...confused
devontown 3 months ago
So does any scientist know what he fuck they are talking about yet? The planet is still here and depite 10 years of warming I still feel cold in Canada where's the global warming???
do not give me that shit about warming means cooling or i will, l shoot you! fucktards mae this shit up I tell ya,,,,
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devontown 4 months ago
It is the environment and ecosystem that is the issue. Not if it inhabitable! It is an area as important for our survival as the rain forests of South America.
eadreon 4 months ago
"Scientists say they can never be restored.".... Except that I have seen reclaimed land after a mining operation... and it looks better than it did before it was mined.
16hypen3sp 4 months ago
@assbackuds Your are delusional! You are justifying the destruction of your own countries treasures. You probably own stalk in the tar sands! Shame on you!
eadreon 5 months ago
@eadreon Treasures! have you even been? mosquitoes the size of crows and appetite to match, low level scrub no use unless canada get so full, then it can build a housing estate on it, fucking place is shit! not one of the best places in Canada even without the tar sands development, just virtual scrub land and mud and lousy insects
devontown 4 months ago
HAHA funniest video ever. First thing he says about not reusable land, is a lie. They have parks there dedicated to disproving that theory. Also this is propaganda which shouldn't be taken seriously. Your all just jeolous because Canada has more money.
NoXpLoDe7 5 months ago
@assbackuds China does not have the infrastructure to process bitiman. More misinformation.
Keystone is an irresponsible company with 12 leaks in 12 months. We must collectively stand up against the false info and campaigning the media is spewing to the US and inform everyone of the pending disaster. I have been compiling and posting petitions, statistics and videos to my blog. Let's be the change. kim-hunter.blogspot.com
kimhunter2 5 months ago 13
@kimhunter2 China could build a bitumen plant with its skills and huge work force in a quarter of the time frame than any other nation on earth!!! dont be stupid! and further, Assbackuds never said they could.
@eadreon delusion is something we share then?
Still NOT warming in Canada EH!
devontown 4 months ago
@devontown They will upgrade this oil in Alberta before sending it to China. There are NO Coking Towers to get the Carbon out of the Oil at $hell's Up-Grader in Alberta. We ADD hydrogen to make it into Light Crude. Old upgraders did have Coking Towers.
In fact 1 barrel of Crude from the Tarsands = 1 Barrel plus of Light Crude. I was told this By $HELL during my Safety Course when I Hired on during construction.
jackpontiac52 4 months ago
@kimhunter2 Oil Sands are clean
Edmonton OILberta
jackpontiac52 3 months ago
@kimhunter2 You comments are so one sided, show what the reclaimed land looks like.
The oil from the tar sands has been leaking into the water system for millions of years, what we are doing is removing it and cleaning the sane and then putting it back and allowing the forests to regrow on clean sand.
Try telling the truth for a change and not just lies paid for by the environutbars that have already spent over 90 million in Canada trying to kill our oil in favour of middle east.
justanoldman1 2 months ago
@justanoldman1
Are you kidding me oldman ? How daft do you think the public is ? We don't need oil. We need geomagnetic, free energy. We need to sit on our resources and tell other countries to fuck right off, especially if they've consumed theirs already ( the USA. Fuck off )
Ambient static harvesters. Stirling Engines. Resonance Engines. Water is combustive, HIGHLY combustive. The problem is that it's already been burnt. All you have to do is separate it and re-burn it.
MaupoNaio 1 month ago
@justanoldman1 Actually, I am 10 generation Canadian and been helping make industry practices more accountable in my country for 20 years. How are you helping?
China now own the tarssands, Harper cut 600 000 manufacturing jobs in the East and forced 50% pay cuts.If you make $70 000 in the tarsands, you are below poverty.All of Canada will be lining up for McJobs as our rights and lands are sold off to private interests. p.s. Enbridge had another spill yesterday adding to the 800+.
kimhunter2 1 month ago 2
@kimhunter2 Canadian do not buy into the stock market unlike Americans. That is why we need outside investors to do it for us.
I understand the cost of living is very high in the area because of a housing shortage, I am sure in time this situation will correct itself.
For me, not to have to import oil from the middle east is worth a few problems here at home. I see middle eastern oil as blood oil.
justanoldman1 1 month ago
@kimhunter2 How can you claim that our Prime Minister cut 600,00 manufacturing jobs? These jobs were lost because our unions demanded too high salaries and the companies moved the jobs to third world countries. How can you blame the Prime Minister for that, unless of course you are one of those loonie lefties that blame the PM's office for everything, like the NDP and Liberals do.
I have seen several companies close and each was a direct result of stupid unions and their members.
justanoldman1 1 month ago
@justanoldman1 because the outsourcing is systematic corporatism. Everyone will be fighting each-other for McJobs soon. China owns the Alberta tarsands now, no matter what corporate puppet you align yourself with.
p.s. manufacturing jobs in Canada are paid up to 50% less than other developed nations.
kimhunter2 1 month ago
@kimhunter2
Petitions are protest. Protest is agreeance. We aren't protesting. We are REFUSING. That gives NO ROOM, for misinterpretation.
It is definitively NOT happening. EVER.
MaupoNaio 1 month ago 3
@MaupoNaio Just to let you know it is already being built both to the USA and to China. I am not sorry I actually think your ignorance is amusing. An oilsands worker. By the way when it runs through the US maybe you will work for it and earn the 168 thousand dollars a year I do working on it.
OOberization 1 month ago
@OOberization
Apparently you have no regard what so ever, especially other than for yourself. You clearly show that you're incapable of thinking past the event horizon of a spill, and the damages it will cause.
You're impervious to truth, because to you truth is harmful, you can't profit from it.
It all comes down to "money" for people like you. You can't make money off free clean energy so instead you would rather trample and damage the very planet that gives you life and sustains you.
MaupoNaio 1 month ago
@OOberization
"Of the Good in you I can speak, but not of the Evil. For what is Evil but Good - tortured by its own hunger and thirst?
When Good is hungry, it seeks food, even in dark caves, and when it thirsts, it drinks even of dead waters."
- Khalil Gibran
MaupoNaio 1 month ago
@kimhunter2
I live in Canada and the USA is our principal commercial partner.Because of the failed pipeline project,it's million,even billion of dollars and hundred of jobs wich could be destroyed because Obama is too weak against ecologists.Could we accept that,when our Gross Domestic Production is between 0% and 3%?Did you just think about that?About the workers who couldn't have a job?About income's reduction,wich could up the risks of a recession?
quebecois12345 1 month ago
@quebecois12345 I AM AN UNEMPLOYED OIL WORKER AND FORMER FOREMAN ON THE FIRST KEYSTONE PIPELINE AND A FORMER YARD BOSS FOR THE LARGEST TAR SAND OIL SPILL IN AMERICAN HISTORY. I SUPPORT OIL BUT I WILL NEVER WORK FOR A TAR SAND JOB AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS KILLING MY COMMUNITY. IT KILLED OVER 40 MILES OF FISH IN OUR RIVER AND THOUSANDS OF ANIMALS. WATCH (JOHN BOLENBAUGH ENBRIDGE KILLS US ONE BY ONE AND THEN PLEASE RE THINK YOUR OPINION. AMERICA DOESN'T WANT THIS PIPELINE.
johnBolenbaugh 1 month ago 6
@johnBolenbaugh thank you for your honesty.
kimhunter2 1 month ago
@johnBolenbaugh how'd it kill the fish ?
doyle30 3 weeks ago
@doyle30 Because they couldn't breath and the chemicals were to much for them to handle. After the Spill a large number of fish died in lake Michigan so we know that the chemicals traveled over 100 miles killing all the fish. Alot of the turtles made it but the animals seemed to die if they got it on them because they would lick it off and ingest it as they tried to clean themselves or if they were close to the fumes to long. Thousands of animals died. I saw with my own two eyes. It was so sad.
johnBolenbaugh 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh so how does canadian oil having a spill have any differences than american oil spills that happen every day? Whats the difference i don't understand ? What kind of chemicals and where from?
doyle30 3 weeks ago
@doyle30 We know of about 20 toxic chemicals, you can go to (John Bolenbaugh Enbridge Kills us one by one) and the Enbridge MSDS sheet is on there for tar sand oil. It shows the chemicals and the harmful things it causes human and animal life. But the thinners used to get it to flow through the pipe are considered a company trade secret and Enbridge wont even release what they are to our local doctors that are trying to treat the sick residents. So we really don't know how bad they really are.
johnBolenbaugh 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh you know how your so wrong, any lab teck car take a sample and tell you whats in it. plus oil is full of chemicals from anywhere its not rocket science to know that. oil spills happen in america everyday that fuck shit up everywhere whats the difference
doyle30 3 weeks ago
@doyle30 I only can speak that I know all the fish died for 40 miles because I worked in that area during the cleanup. But I have documents that say it killed fish in Lake Michigan 100 miles away but i don't have visual proof of that. Tar sand oil doesn't float and it is not as if it floated on the surface and the fish at the bottom were safe like they might be for normal crude oil. Tar sand oil is much heavier and several times more toxic because of the thinners used to push it through the pipe
johnBolenbaugh 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh i'm sorry you are greatly misinformed tar sands oil floats and has a viscosity that is no different than any other oil. Its even richer than many oils because the way its refined the way it is. If you didn't know out of all the oil usa has, 70% is imported and 30% of that imported oil comes from canada. So that means a fifth of americas oil comes from canada already straight from the oil sands.
doyle30 3 weeks ago
@doyle30 I am not misinformed. We have video proof that the oil mostly sinks and flows on the bottom of our river. Enbridge after my videos and complaints have now admitted that there is over 200 acres of oil that they didn't know about because they cleared the areas last year of submerged oil. They admitted that they didn't know tar sand oil sank and now have created new methods to try to clean it from the bottom of our river. It s very different than normal crude oil. I am very factual in that
johnBolenbaugh 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh well i sell equipment to clean that shit up and that news to me. Oil floats its a property of oil by definition, solvents on the other hand sink like gasoline.
doyle30 3 weeks ago
@doyle30 We may use a great deal of the tar sand oil. I am not saying that we don't I am just stating facts that i know. That when there is a leak or a spill in a water way or in large amounts on land the devastation it causes is not worth the oil we receive because we will some day soon be low on fresh water and we need all we can to survive longer on this planet. Will you please watch my videos for the proof. Enbridge, epa, the news, and any local tek will tell you that is sinks and is sunk.
johnBolenbaugh 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh gas sinks regardless where it comes from. whether it comes from canada or usa it will fuck the environment up too
doyle30 3 weeks ago
@doyle30 YOU ARE VERY RIGHT THAT GAS WILL HURT THE ENVIRONMENT NO MATTER WHERE IT IS FROM. I support you and your equipment business. i am not trying to hurt your income by showing my videos. I just want everyone to see that Enbridge really buried oil and told us to not clean the oil up properly. I saw them plant grass and put dirt over oil so bad that they over a year later they are now being made to re dig the entire 2 mile area that they buried oil back out. Its unbelievable but it did happen
johnBolenbaugh 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh well thats illegal, thats not how industry works
doyle30 3 weeks ago
@doyle30 Ny entire family puts in pipe for oil companies. I worked as a foreman, yard boss and a clean up worker for pipelines and the largest tar sand spill in history. My family is each losing over a hundred thousand a year because the xl pipeline has not been approved and they are laid off right now. I DONT say this because I hate oil or pipeline companies. I am only stating THE TRUTH. (WATCH THIS NEWS REPORT ( JOHN BOLENBAUGH MORE PROOF I REPORTED A REAL ENBRIDGE COVER UP) TO SEE SUNK OIL
johnBolenbaugh 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh once again gas sinks, well thats capitalism, what you county is built on. your dollar will collapse in the next 15 years anyways. you guys are fucked with your debt exceeding your yearly gdp this year. good riddance america
doyle30 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh You are right again about Americas money going down, But we at least dont want the dirtiest oil in the world running even more through our country than it already is. Even Canada doesnt want the northern gateway pipeline and my videos are the biggest evidence right now against it. It has been 9 yrs and still no approval for it through Canada because your residents dont want it and neither do we. Sure you want more pipe and more spills because you make $ selling cleaning equipment
johnBolenbaugh 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh Well, apparently it did not kill you soon enough to suit me, but I'll settle for you having a stroke from typing in all caps, you moron. If more people like you would just ride a bicycle and wear a beanie with a solar powered propeller on top, the world would be a happier, cleaner place. : )
LunaticFringeHunter 3 weeks ago 5
@LunaticFringeHunter hehehe i just had a mental image of @JohnBolenbaugh with a beanie with solar powered propeller on top. thats funny
DaniellesCBR 3 weeks ago
@johnBolenbaugh <--- Pussy-ass wanker
LunaticFringeHunter 1 week ago
@johnBolenbaugh What happened to you, Mr. self-proclaimed "hero" and proud-as-punch snitch? Got caught lyin' your ass off, eh? Typical Leftist fake military crybaby tattle-tale. ROFLMAO
LunaticFringeHunter 6 days ago
@LunaticFringeHunter I have proved every word I have ever said. I have never been called a liar and If I lied about one thing Enbridge would file a defamation of character lawsuit against me. Guess what they cant because I am factual. Everyone else calls me a hero not me. I just do what is right when no one else will. And whistle blowers win millions because they told the truth about company lies and cover ups. not snitches :) I laugh when I see guys like you try to call me a liar with nothing
johnBolenbaugh 6 days ago
@quebecois12345 clean energy jobs and investments surpassed all fossil fuel jobs in the US last year. It is only our son of an oil baron here in Canada and the 360 000 barrels a day used by the US for WAR alone. The real numbers were 50 full time jobs on the KXL. Outsourced steel and work is standard. If you make less than $70 000 a year in the tarsands, you can't afford housing. China owns TSands. If we research beyond the industry owned mainstream media, we see the real costs.
kimhunter2 1 month ago 2
@kimhunter2
It's maybe true in the US,but in Canada the Tar Sand of Alberta is the biggest income source of this Province.The difference is that our ecological lobbiystes are stronger.Why do you think we need to take all to build a wind farm or a hydroelectric dam?I live in Quebec,the most environmental province of the country,and if we don't exploit this energy,and sell it to the USA,our economy will be destroyed.
quebecois12345 1 month ago
@kimhunter2 "$70 000 a year in the tarsands, you can't afford housing" Actually from a guy who has lived/rented/worked there and has friends who PRESENTLY live there(Ft. mac:tarsands), you can get by on much less than $70,000. I know lots of people who make around 30-35000 a year. But ideally because of the price of rent/houses You can live very comfortably for at 50,000 a year. your average job at mcdonalds there pays like $14/hr. A guy i know makes $21/hr at Quiznos.
littlecarrey 1 month ago
@kimhunter2ALBERTA/CANADA theoretically(not technically of course) owns 100% of it's tar sands.Not that we would, but we COULD nationlize it, or completly shut it down for some LEGIT environmntal reason.Which in turn would cause a mass migration of CND workers flock to the states to find jobs.Fucking America over even more. Its like me saying" Well i own a few bricks from the hoover dam, & i can take them at any time i wish, even if they support the entire stucture. cause i OWN them.
littlecarrey 1 month ago
@quebecois12345 Meh I think Obama is just trying to save face so the ecomaniacs will vote for him. If he does get re-elected (not saying anything about chances..) then i think he would say yes.
Whoexactlyshatonwho 1 month ago
Guess what? A single tree can take out 80 tons of green house gases a year out of the aptmoshere. And how many trees are there on earth? A LOT.
grandpamoe1 5 months ago
america hs 500 millon people canada has a population of 40 million , clearly u create more green house gas emissions u cunnys. get bent
MrNuclearpants 6 months ago
Trees are a RENEWABLE resourse. they will grow back. This next comment isn't towards all americans just the people who made this video. how come it is all about you we aren't digging up the oil sand to for you. we don't have and i qoute "the determination to keep us addicted to oil." the world doesn't revolve around you. we are doing it to stregnthen our economy. lastly i want to ask what scientists does the narrator keep mentioning? where are their qualifications? what makes them reliable?
mixmaster547 6 months ago
@mixmaster547
"Trees are a RENEWABLE resourse. they will grow back."
Not if the soil they try to root in is contaminated with TOXIC ELEMENTS.
Which begs the question: are the dirty oil producers going to re-plant to replace the trees they destroyed?
brightstarone 6 months ago
@brightstarone there are thousands of acres of forest in canada. the forest survived millions of years including whatever killed the dinosaures i am sure it will be fine
mixmaster547 6 months ago
@brightstarone Tell me mix, let's suppose that the soil is permeated with sulfuric acid and many other toxic elements that are hostile to vegetation and all life for that matter, would any plant be able to establish its root system into that soil to grow and prosper like it did before those toxic elements were placed there? Are the dirty oil producers going to replace what they have destroyed or are the going to rape the land and leave it destroyed and devoid of its former life.
brightstarone 6 months ago
@brightstarone Tell me mix, let's suppose that the soil is permeated with sulfuric acid and many other toxic elements that are hostile to vegetation and all life for that matter, would any plant be able to establish its root system into that soil to grow and prosper like it did before those toxic elements were placed there? Are the dirty oil producers going to replace what they have destroyed or are the going to rape the land and leave it destroyed and devoid of its former life. I'm not so sure.
brightstarone 6 months ago
@brightstarone you may be right but what if these harsh chemicals force trees to mutate. become stronger. we may end up with a better more evolved forest
mixmaster547 5 months ago
thats fucked up !
CypressPhotoStudio 6 months ago
@assbackuds this information skewed in an oddly blaming way but the proportion is remarkably underestimated in the extent of devastation ...the flora and fauna of the entire globe have been affected by the tar sands production of oil
The Asian countries are indeed investing to our detriment for their control
The Asian countries have oil so why produce oil for them so they can exhaust our supply at our expense.
We would be wise to say 'enough'
stop production until the 'mess' is cleaned up
gaiagale 8 months ago
For the benefit of Canadians, the reference to the North Sea is ten years out of date but longshore fisherman were wearing respirators while fishing so they would not get any spray in mouths, many fish caught had deformaties, fungus etc etc, the water was a toxic soup
They were also dumping raw sewerage into the sea killing hundreds of square miles of ocean floor.
Then there was the dumping of radioactive waste into the sea I think people from Britain should clean there act up
devontown 11 months ago
@assbackuds I realise 100,000 sq mi may not be the size of a province in Canada, but I wouldn't go so far as to write it off as nothing to worry about. Global warming is supported by the scientific/academic (not to mention political) community now, this isn't the 90s where you can just shrug it off as not being a real concern.
And re: switching to a clean energy source, economic for who? You? Big oil? The plant we all share, live on, and, I hope needless to say, rely on in order to stay alive?
goddessdvne 11 months ago
@goddessdvne I think economic means exactly that, we live in the real world! try and stay in it while trying to win your argument. the tar sands will be cleaner in future, a lot of research is taking place. I dont know what the size of the UK has to do with anything? but it too has big holes in the ground created by nasty profit making scoundrels and polution in the recent past that has long since made the groundwater toxic, your point?
devontown 11 months ago
@devontown Means exactly what? I offered 3 options. If you read my initial comment I was saying that the land area of destruction of the tar sands is the size of the UK, generally by putting things into perspective with real world analogies help people to understand the size of the problem. My point was to highlight the massive area that is being destroyed. The problem lies with oil dependancy first, and specifically with the tar sands with the massive amount of energy required to extract...
goddessdvne 11 months ago
@devontown the oil; the amount of ancient forests that have to be cut down, removing an amazing ecosystem; the fact that this land will not be returned to it's former beauty; the tailing ponds which are leaking into the ground water and causing local animals and people to become sick, local fisherman have caught fish with 3 eyes and hunchbacks, communities which used to have members die from old age are having young people die from illnesses due to the poison they are ingesting from the water.
goddessdvne 11 months ago
@goddessdvne You speak of the boreal forest as if its some kind of magical land with deer running through it. Here as someone who has lived their ENTIRE life in the boreal forest of northern Alberta i can tell you it is nothing more than a muskeg bog with little amounts of "amazing" ecosystem. Now don't get me wring i love the environment and have spent most of my life outside living in "mother nature" unlike you i suspect. But don't speak of it like its some magical Bambie land.
blambo35 11 months ago
@blambo35 Since when did 'ecosystem' mean 'magical land with deer running through it'? I have spent quite a lot of time with mother nature, & the forests I'm used to (which are 10* latitude south of the boreal forest) are full of deer, squirrels, coyotes, birds, fish, toads, rabbits, etc. But I wouldn't say that makes them anymore of an ecosystem than the boreal forest. My backyard resembles Bambi's forest much more than the colder climate of the 50th parallel, but I didn't cite Bambi, you did.
goddessdvne 11 months ago
@goddessdvne Give me one reference to 3 eyed fish, just ONE, You fucking ignorant cock sucking limey. You are nothing but a LIER. One reference, i dare you.
blambo35 11 months ago
@blambo35 Raymond Ladoucer, an elder from Fort Chipewyan speaks about the changes he's seen in the fish as well as his community around 3.34 of (The Tar Sands on bulldogger's page) I'll have to correct myself: he doesn't say three eyes, but does talk about other deformities.
And once again, if you could refrain from name calling, it would do a lot for your argument. Mostly because, sticking with your main complaint of not having facts straight, I'm not English.
goddessdvne 11 months ago
@goddessdvne fish with hump backs and three eyes are also caught in the Fucking North Sea, the ancient forests that you are talking about are burned down quite naturally, quite often, most of the trees up there are quite new thanks not so ancient.
weyerhoser (LOL) has cut all the good stuff down for the American housing boom, funny but we still have plenty of trees, hows the UK national forest coming on? LOL
devontown 11 months ago
@devontown If you can tell me the source of contamination for the fish in the North Sea, I'll be against that as well.
Like I've said, the UK isn't perfect, forests only account for 10-12% of the land (UK Forestry website), and similarly to what you say America has done, England cut down Ireland's ancient forests during the industrial revolution in order to preserve theirs. But what does this have to do with our (specifically America's) addiction to oil?
goddessdvne 11 months ago
@devontown I'm not trying to say that the UK is perfect by any means, in fact I'm not even sure why you're turning the argument that way, every country has their dirty little problems/secrets. My point was to highlight the massive level of destruction and devastation, as I said. And how do you know the tar sands will be cleaner in the future? A lot of research is also taking place with solar, wind, and hydro power. Currently Ireland is developing generators to capture tidal energy.
goddessdvne 11 months ago
@goddessdvne there is no argument, you are talking about something you know very little about, I live here in Alberta and compared to my time in the UK I can honestly say that the air, water is cleaner here, only six times bigger than the UK with a population of 3 million we also have a LOT of real estate spare for some mining. I work with several agencies that are working constantly on tar sands refineing methods. Land stripped of oil is reclaimed and turned back into original Praire,tundra ??
devontown 11 months ago
@devontown Where in the UK? The cities of course would not be a good representative of clean anything. And many areas have notoriously hard water, which although clean, is full of minerals which would make it seem not as clean as soft water. You're right, Europe does have less land to spread out over. 'Everything's bigger over there' seems to be a general consensus. Do you have pictures of this reclaimed land? I'd like to see it. You say it's exactly like what was ripped up?
goddessdvne 11 months ago
@goddessdvne Around nottingham :) but I lived all over.The North sea problems should be on Google, as should reclaimed land, so should the fact that the responsible Canadian govt agency found the water downstream of Fort Mac to be within legal limits.
I guess this all boils down to which bullshit you like to believe in, or not? as pointed out by others as well as myself, we belive the you have been reading bullshit you like, n'est-ce pas?
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown I think really what it boils down to is whether or not you think mankind's addiction to oil is a good thing or not. Whether everyone needs their own car, or if walking, cycling, or public transportation is a better option. Whether everyone needs pre-packaged, prepared food, or if people should buy ingredients with limited packaging (fresh fruit and veg) from local farms and cook. Whether everyone needs to buy new bottles of water everyday, or use refillable reusable bottles.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne I dont think any addiction is very good, however :) whether you like it or not we all live in the same society that gobbles oil up with everything. we all like to work, breathe, eat and have kids, holidays etc,etc. the real question facing people opposed to extracting oil (YOU) is how many of these things are YOU ready to give up?
Right now, I am NOT prepared to give anything up. I live in a cold country, I want to stay warm, I live in a BIG country, I need to travel, Shrug!
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown Before reading the rest of this comment, I want to make sure we're on the same page in that the country you are living in is Canada? If so, does Canada not have public transportation? Have the car companies not started to sell hybrid cars in Canada? Is there no energy company in Canada offering energy from renewable sources? Has Canada not developed or started using wind, solar, or hydro energy?
I make a lot of life choices based on how much energy is required for those things.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne Where I live in DEVON ab you cant get there from here without a car. the town supplies my water and electricity, the North Saskatchewan river runs through Devon, we drink from that and the piss and shit goes back in and then Edmonton gets to drink it. the electricity comes from Genesee 3 power station coal fired.
I have no choices here! only rich people can afford hybrid cars thats why you see so few in Canada. If you want to live a long time in Canada then a big car is best
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown So your only real consumption of oil is in driving a car? So what's the big deal to you if people finally wise up and stop drilling for oil? Why does living a long time in Canada require a big car? I've never bought a car, so the whole thing kind of evades my thinking. I always just think if you're going to spend a lot of money on something that loses it's value immediately, why not go for the one that will save you money in the long run by not having to spend as much on gas.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne My dear young lady, OIL is our existence, our economy, with the best intentions in the world there is nothing you can do as an individual to alter the outcome of an overpopulated planet, it isn't what we do that counts, its HOW MANY!
So if only one person lived in the whole of canada, no matter how polluting was his automobile, he could never pollute the planet, however give 6 Billion people a honda fit/jazz and everyone will be gasping for breath
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown Don't patronise me. You have no idea how old I am. Nor does my age matter in this debate. You're completely missing the point (which if I wanted to play your game I could attribute it to your 'old age'). Humans lived and prospered for thousands of years without oil. And we're developed enough now to have the technology to get energy from elsewhere. It's corrupt Big Oil and nothing will ever be economic enough to make them stop. But I believe it's worth trying. Every little bit counts.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne NO! I have not missed the point, you have! Humans lived in shit and pestilence and generally died quite young, right up until 1950 I would say that most peoples lives would be intolerable to us today, my point that it only has got better (in the west + some east) since then. All young people think they can change the world, that is why I thought you may be young. Changing anything in our society costs something, question how much will you want to lose?
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown Point missing= Missing(Forgetting?) the fact that we have technology to supply us with energy that does not require oil. Missing the fact that just because you take oil away does not mean jumping in a time machine and undoing things like indoor plumbing (we won't be living in shit) or medical advances (we won't be living in pestilence and dying young). Please explain how moving forward with technology will take us backward in time? Your premise makes no sense.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne My premise won't make any sense to someone who does not accept that this world NOW is oil based.
If we take it away we are fucked with a capital F! coincidentaly two billion extra people willl starve to death next year all you have to do is stop oil production now!
Medical advance will mean no disposables so reusing hypo's will be fun then again
Oil NOW is the key to our future, our jobs ,futures, lifestyles and freedoms depend on it, not saying it should not change, it should!
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown You're still not making any sense. You're proposing a world in which we do not move forward with the technologies we are developing (See Obama's letter to Congress the other day about this? No more tax breaks to oil companies, go and read). You either believe in progress or you do not. I'm not denying the fact that the world is now dependent on oil, I'm saying that addiction is bad, and will ruin us. We will run out of oil, what then of your 'key to our future'?
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne Sorry we ARE moving forward all the time, again sorry if its not fast enough for tree huggers but I believe most sensible people in the western world want to keep jobs standards of living etc. we can only move as fast as techno allows. saying we should stop using oil now is childish and not very responsible for those two billion people living on it.
You can stop anytime using it you like, the rest of us will take a little longer to quit, been my theme all along!
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown You are still missing the fact that technology is far more advanced than what we are using because big Oil companies are in bed with banks and governments, able to get tax cuts and make quite a lot more money for themselves than the 'two billion people' you're talking about. Are these 'two billion people' all employed and working on the tar sands? There are job organizations whose goal is to help train those working on oil or coal to more sustainable and secure energy producing jobs.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne I am not missing anything! WE LIVE IN AN ECONOMY Duh! Money goes round thats why worthless people like us can get computers!!! god you are naive. Two Billion people WILL die If YOU get your goal, the world cant grow enough food without oil derived fertilizers. Stop drilling they die simple!
Businesses are conservative by nature dont expect Ford to drop everything to make you a fucking batttery car. 6.5 billion and everyone of them THINKS they are special, shakin my head now
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown Well sir, as I have no idea where your figures or your logic are coming from, I'm afraid this conversation has come to an end. You might want to look into some very intelligent people researching mycology as far as the fertilisers to grow food goes. Other than that, I'm at a complete loss. You've most definitely convinced me that some people out there think they are special and have the answers to everything.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne We do NOT have the technology to simply stop using oil right now and replace it with another source of fuel that would keep the ecomonmy working. You hear this all the time from people who grew up in cities, only know cities, and therefore have a huge misunderstanding of the importance of oil in the survival of our economy. You can ride a bicycle to work every day but a farmer can not. True we must GRADUALLY switch over, but we just dont have the technology replace oil yet.
FriendOfSarahConnor 10 months ago
@FriendOfSarahConnor The point is that we're not using the technologies we have because big Oil gets massive amounts of tax breaks from governments and massive amounts of funding from banks. If the government and the banks were to support things like solar, wind, hydro (including tidal) energy, the way they support oil, the transition would be much smoother and we'd be further along. The unfortunate thing is, without pressure from the people, the government and banks will have no reason to.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@FriendOfSarahConnor And thank you for not assuming I grew up in a city by using the non-specific 'you'. It's incredibly frustrating when people just assume things about you because of your love for the planet and views about preserving it. I understand farming requires a longer amount of time to switch technology. But, I also think this is not the place to discuss farming. We'll find a farming video to talk about GMOs, pesticides, antibiotics, growth hormones, indeed, all of mega-agriculture.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne You obviously have no idea how much we need fossil fuels to grow a crop, or produce goods in a factory or produce electricity. We cant just stop. As soon as technologies exist to replace diesel engines and natural gas for heat we will use them. I agree that we need to wean off fossil fuels. WE ARE! It cant happen all at once.
FriendOfSarahConnor 10 months ago
@FriendOfSarahConnor It's also a matter of businesses deciding that the planet we live on is a bit more important than a little extra profit. I work for an international company that doesn't use oil in it's factories to produce products. Granted, oil has to be used for transport. The fact of the matter is that people do have a choice, but either from ignorance or want of convenience, decide to stick with the old technology. Solar power is great for heating water, and for central heating.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@devontown Whether people should not pay attention to what they buy, or if simply reading a label and avoiding products with are made with oil or oil derived ingredients. And I think that has nothing to do with what bullshit one may or may not be reading. We all share this planet, it's beautiful (maybe not blambo35's 'muskeg bog' but most of it is), it gives us food, water, air, life, and I just think we need to treat it (and each other) with a bit more respect.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne Doing without oil right now is impossible, you either buy the terror oil or the Canadian stuff your choice, ours starts at 25$ cost per barrel, terror oil starts costs around 4$, market price is the same!
Seems that terror oil is making more nasty profit than the Canadian shit eh?
Keep shouting long enough someone will hear you :) even if the USA and Canada cuts consumption by half, the rest of the world will still buy the tars sands total output forever till its ALL gone
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown Actually, as it stands at the moment, pending talks in the European Parliament, oil from the Canadian tar sands is not used in the EU. So that leaves a little less of 'the rest of the world [who] will still buy the tar sands total output forever till its ALL gone'.
Although you may not be hearing my shouting, I hope some people are. There are very simple lifestyle choices one can make to cut down their oil consumption. It's easier than you think.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne Good! euro can use the terror oil then, don't worry one day they will be bidding for a share of the oil sands, just like everyone else. at the moment buyers still have a choice of countries to buy from, in 10 years time?
HA HA they will be here!
I already have a lowest catagory consumption of energy, I would have to spend a huge amount of money to cut my consumption any more.
Modest home, low milege, never bathe, hell who needs soap lol, green as fuck!
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown I wonder, since you have the 'lowest catagory consumption of energy', if you think those that are more wasteful should clean up their acts? Not buy bottled water. Not drive so much. Bathe less and more responsibly. Etc. Because, clearly, you do not think the industry should be held responsible.
goddessdvne 10 months ago
@goddessdvne Again, without those nasty industries we would not have the excellent lifestyles we have today, I am old enough to remember different times, trust me you do not want to go back even 50 years :) life (at the moment) would become quickly impossible with out oil, industries are already looking for subsitutes and as soon as it becomes economic they will switch out, I notice most younger activists want to change everything overnight but trust me, it will take the remaining oil to ween us
devontown 10 months ago
@devontown If it takes the remaining oil it will be too late. Experts say if all the oil is removed from the tar sands the massive amount of energy and land destruction will be enough to tip the scales of global warming. How exactly was life 50 year ago impossible? People lived right? People were able to clothe themselves, feed themselves, get from point A to point B. In fact, I'm pretty sure humans lived all over this planet long before oil took over.
goddessdvne 10 months ago