Is Planned Parenthood of Indiana under-reporting surgical abortions?

[n4kma]

Pro-lifers, learn the TRUTH about Abortion & Choice. Most abortions are unwanted or coerced. Many are forced. Learn what you can do about it. Go to theunchoice(dot)com and clinicquotes(dot)com.

[mandyvonne]

Thank you for the link to the ppin annual report. I have to go to work right now but I will look that up when I get off tonight. I concede that you are right about that, but I still can't rule out that that particular clinic worker may have been slightly off about exactly how many they do every day, or that all centers do the same amount. And I don't necessarily believe that medical abortions don't count for that total. I know a girl who just had a medical abortion (I went with her for part of

[LiveActionFilms]

@mandyvonne Sure and we are not saying that they are under-reporting for sure...just that her statements raise questions considering they don't seem to match their annual reports. So in fairness the video is titled "Is Planned Parenthood of Indiana under-reporting surgical abortions? " not "Proof Planned Parenthood of Indiana under-reports surgical abortions". Medication abortions can be done any time so her statement of "3 times a week" shows she isn't talking about that.

[mandyvonne]

I missed the 2008 in the video, but this still was posted in december 2008, so it was possibly shot nearly a year after the 2007 statistics. perhaps abortions had gone up around that time period? from the information provided in the video there isn't enough data to conclude if planned parenthood misrepresented anything.

[LiveActionFilms]

@mandyvonne I just looked at the 2008 numbers and Planned Parenthood reported that they did 5 less abortions (3,918) in 2008 in Indiana than in 2008. The video was recorded in summer of 2008.

You can see the total yourself at ppin d o t org/documents/ppin_2008_annual­_report.pdf

[mandyvonne]

This video appears to be misleading. First of all, the abortions performed would be both surgical and medical, and the total on the chart was 5160, not 3923. Also, I would assume that clinics not in Indianapolis probably do many fewer abortions, I would doubt that the number is equal. Not to mention that this is just the estimated amount the clinic worker thinks are performed, which could be way off, who knows. And lastly, when was the video shot? The same year of the statistics? who knows.

[LiveActionFilms]

@mandyvonne People don't so medical abortion at clinics. Also the 2008 stat says there were even less surgical abortion in 2008 (3,918). This video was shot June 24th, 2008. This video is from the same visit as this video... Sexual Abuse of 13-Year-Old is No Problem to Indianapolis Planned Parenthood watch?v=hTxsWZz9whg

[whoo689]

Are you people BLIND?? The two numbers on the chart for "abortion" add up to over 5,000, well over that 4,600 number. If you read the disclaimer by the first asterisk, it also says that about 5,000 ADDITIONAL women aren't counted since emergency contraception can be obtained at OTHER places than PP without a prescription. That's at least 10,000, much closer than your silly 4,000 number.

Brain-dead liars.

[amadain17]

abortion is legal. when it's illegal you have a story. anyway god is strongly in favour of abortion. miscarriage is god preformed abortion. Research shows that 50% of all (including the first 2 weeks when people don't know they are pregnant and never know they were) pregnancies end in miscarriage. That number drops to around 10-25% after the 3rd week. Given these numbers god is the most prolific abortionist the world has ever seen

[HowardSternn]

Abortion saves lives

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[superCatia]

Maybe if there were more conscience on contraceptive methods abortions would be obsolete!

[brandedprincess]

How come in this video, they only circle surgical abortions and not medical abortions? Why aren't medical abortions circled? 0:14

[sasnak77]

Surgical Abortions are purely elective...."medical" abortions are procedures such as a d&c, where the baby has already passed away, such as in a natural miscarriage- but the mother has failed to pass the baby. Such procedures are necessary only because the mother will die of sepsis if the baby remains in the uterine cavity.

[LiveActionFilms]

Medical abortions is a name for chemical abortions like RU-486. These are done at home and not in the clinic. A medical abortion can be purely elective as well as a surgical.

Non-elective abortions for the serious heath of the mother are very rare....less than 0.1% of abortions. The medically necessary abortions are often surgical as they are later term when problems are more easily detected.

As for fetal removal because of natural death, that would not be in PP's stats. They don't do that.

[brandedprincess]

sasnak77: that's not what a medical abortion is. Read liveactionfilms reply.

[sasnak77]

I stand corrected.

I was speaking only from my personal experience- I miscarried and had a "missed abortion"....I had to go have a D&C...from a legitimate medical provider...in an emergency room. They said if I didn't have the D&C I could have bled to death. :(

[YoungCrack08]

What i meant by educating people was explainig to them the devestating effect having these abortions will have on the rest of there lives. People do genuinley believe that afterwards there live will simply go back to how it was before. Which is rarely the case. unless you have been in that situation you can never fully understand what its like to make that decision. Alot of people take stuipd risks "one time i wont get caught" its just not worth it.

[prolifeinternational]

Excellent!

[YoungCrack08]

At the end of the day the clinc is only doing what is asked of them wrong as it may be if the underlying problem was resolved then this wouldnt be an issue. something as SIMPLE as having protected sex could solve so many things. im not saying accidents dont happen but if there was a lot more education at the root of the problem these situations wouldnt happen. i must also say that many of the women having these abortions do not fully understand the consciences of there actions.

[ImCARose]

Something as simple as not having sex unless with a committed partner, with whom you are willing to accept the life that comes from intercourse would be an even more sure way of ending the problem of abortion. The thing is, even with the "best" forms of birth control, there are still lots of unanticipated pregnancies.

[MackGahye]

Unfortunately, education about contraceptives does little to actually convince people to use them. Think about your friends -- how many of them know how to get and use some form of birth control? Probably all of them. How many of them use it every time? Probably none of them.

Efforts to educate gay men in San Francisco did nothing to lower the HIV-infection rate. It continued to climb, despite MASSIVE educating campaigns.

[MackGahye]

It's a modern fairy tale that birth control lessens unplanned pregnancies and STD infection rates. The actual data reveal that the more the public accept contraceptives as legitimate, the rates soar for out-of-wedlock births, STDs, sexual abuse, divorce, etc.

[bubblesmermaid]

Proof Abortion is Killing a Person Statement 1. A fetus is a person Reason 1. Definition of a human being: 46 chromosomes, which the baby has the second the egg touches the sperm Statement 2. Abortion ends the fetus life Reason 2. The baby is no longer alive after an abortion Statement 3. Abortion ends a person's life 3. Substituting fetus with person, as proved in the 1st step

[IllustriousSeven]

Great work. Keep sticking it to those pro-choice bastards.

[gotjenna34]

KEY PHRASE: "IF the 2 other clinics perform abortions AT THE SAME RATE" Key word: "IF". Answer: They do not perform abortions at the same rate. Indianapolis PP (featured in this video) is the ONLY PP Indiana that does abortions only. The other 2 sites in Indiana primarily provide family planning services and therefore only perform abortions ONE day per week. That should help your counts. This is an EASY one to figure out if you do a little research before making the video and accusation.

[CIDaily]

Even if they other 2 did half the # of abortions...it would still be an abortion rate that is over 200% of what is reported.

Since you know so much, tell me know many abortions take place at each facility.

And just because other services besides abortion are offered doesn't mean that they therefore do less abortions. It's like saying that WalMart sells less clothes than a local clothing store because they sell other stuff as well. Logical fail.

[gotjenna34]

CIDaily-You missed my point entirely.

Example: If we compare 2 WalMart stores and WalMart #1 is only open 1 day per week while WalMart #2 is open 5 days a week, which Walmart sells more goods overall? Obviously the one open 5 days per week. But since their sales numbers are all combined into one in an annual report, would you automatically split gross sales equally between each WalMart even though it is not possible that Walmart #1 sells as much as Walmart #2?

No. You would not.

[gotjenna34]

And dont take my word for it, please feel free to call all three Indiana PP sites and ask them how many days per week they perform abortions. Proof will be in the pudding on this one.

[CIDaily]

Since you seem to know how many days they operate then why don't you just tell everyone right here the answer. Educating others is important and your lack of willingness to share useful information is just pain arrogant.

[CIDaily]

All of that you say is pure speculation. The only actual data that we have is what it in the video.

If you have any data to help this discussion then present it as I am sure we would all like to figure our the real abortion rate.

[ImCARose]

WM1 open one day a week does not mean it must have less sales than WM2, which is open more days. It could be that WM2 is in a less populated spot. You're missing the point. The approx # of abortions at 1 site by her numbers, gives more than the total for the state. Take an occasional day the site is closed or a week with no abortions, at her rate, the 1 site exceeds the total for all the abortions done by PP in the state. Is she exagerating or is PP under reporting. Something isn't right

[angelmelendez]

There's nothing worse than when the blind wants to remain blind.

[turnkit]

Tax fraud?

You have to ask yourself what would likely be the primary reason for under reporting? I would think, even before deceiving the public regarding the horrific despair of the scope of the butchering of the American family it is that there is a large profit in not reporting abortions... those under-reported numbers may also be under-reported for tax reasons. Oh... but does Planned Parenthood even pay taxes on their killings? Where does that money go? It's worth exposing...

[radtrad1570]

hey Katelecuisinier, even in the UNLIKELY event that the other two clinics are only open 1 day a week, the single Indianapolis abortion clinic does, according to the counselor, OVER 500 MORE abortions than reported for ALL IN PP abortion centers.

also, you're the one misrepresenting the facts about surgical vs. medical abortions. medical abortions are done by the woman AT HOME, not at the clinic. so when the counselor says "WE do 90 a week", she means abortions AT THE CLINIC. surgical abortions

[Katelecuisinier]

If you look at the page of statistics, the highlighted number is only surgical abortions and not medical abortions. The woman only said the umbrella term "abortions".

Therefore, this video is misrepresenting the facts that it shows.

It also mentions that the estimated 14,000 per year would be accurate only if all three clinics performed the same number of abortions as the first one. Didn't anyone consider the possibility that the other clinics are open only 1 day a week?

THINK ABOUT IT

[CIDaily]

Well that is possible although not likely. That is why Planned Parenthood should disclose more detail. Surgical clinics generally need a certain level of business to operate so it would be odd to find a clinic that does just a few abortions...plus the other 2 clinics are good size / in major cities so it would not make sense for them to operate only 1 day a week.

Go call Planned Parenthood of Indiana and ask when they do abortions at the other clinics...then we will know who is right.

[CIDaily]

You don't come in on specific days to have a medical abortion...that is nonsense. The only thing she could be referring to is surgical abortions...

THANK ABOUT IT

[BenjaminWirtz]

Aargh, this is increasingly pissing me off. We must stop them, now.