@Free0Palestine1988 God is not with "Palestine". If he was, your "ancestors", i.e the ARAB MUSLIMS who were living in that region throughout the XX Century, would have chosen peace, instead of war, misery, bloodsheds, and humiliating defeats in ALL WARS fought against Israel. Your muslim god and your holy prophet are nothing but a lie, in fact, your religion is one of the main problems of that region.
The jews have planned this out decades ago..check out the balfour declaration and whose name is on that....israel is the only problem in current global events.
@45charIeston ok jew...the world is waking up to your constant lies!! more and more people every day are understanding the crimes you fuckers have been commiting its just a matter of time!!! RIP USS Liberty....WE WILL NEVER FORGET.
"The allies came in to save Kuwait & Saudi from Muslim Iraq !" -Charleston
Yes.
The West also saved Muslims in Kosovo with high altitude bombing of Christian Serbs.
The US has given an average of $300 million a year to the Palestinian Authority for the last ten years. EU and other countries give a huge amounts, too. Arabs? Not much.
When the tsunami hit Muslim Indonesia, who was first on the scene with massive aid? USA and other Western countries.
How, then, pray tell, is Islam so consistently "misunderstood," across geographical areas and schools of jurisprudence, with respect to jihad warfare, and the rights of women and non-Muslims, from Great Britain to Nigeria to Algeria to Tunisia to France to Egypt to Germany to Turkey to the Palestinian territories"
Across the world, one could argue that the world's biggest Islamophobes are Sunnis attacking Shi'ites, and vice-versa. Where's the outrage for that? "Dozens Killed in Attack on Iraqi Funeral Procession," by Sam Dagher and Ali A. Nabhan for the Wall Street Journal, January 27: BAGHDAD
"By JOE PARKINSON in Istanbul and SAM DAGHER in Erbil, Iraq
Iraq summoned Turkey's ambassador on Monday to protest what it called Ankara's meddling in Iraqi politics, the latest sign of a rising rift between Sunni Turkey and its Shiite neighbours. "
Ho Hum just another day in the world of Islam !!!!
Isreal has no right to claim any form of moral high ground or complain about attacks if they dont first get out of Palestinian land. People who are being invaded have every right fight back. In fact that is the international law as established by the Geneva convention when the UN was created. The same UN that created the Isreali state in 1948
@45charIeston They are not supposed to resort to methods of fighting as you described, unfortunately that still doesnt make Isreal's occupation legal. Show me where, or how it does.
@45charIeston BTW the Palmer report only covers land blockade, not naval. It is you that have some knowledge but only enough to interprete it to justify Israel's illegal acts.
Idiot it covers naval blockades ! Google San Remo Manual 1994 which deals with naval blockades !
"Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency."
This is why I call you an ignorant asshole not just for fun !
Yes I have knowledge but Palmer report had to agree because the law is clear.
@45charIeston I am familiar with all you have mentioned. San Remo Manual does not apply, since, very simply, there is no naval conflict. Palestine does not have a recognized navy. The portion of the San Remo Manual that was interpreted to apply to the Palmer report also does not apply to two nations that arent at war. If Palestine is a terrorist nation, normal rules of engagement does not apply. It is Israel that for its benefit negates those portions by legal interpretation.
@45charIeston And even if you dont believe me (we ARE getting into murky legal waters, excuse my pun), everything you point out is mooted by one simple overriding fact; Israel's naval blockade is causing a disproportionate impact on the human rights of civilians.
Every time you post you show more ignorance of the law. SRM 1994 applies & that is what the UN report has stated. All blockades cause suffering but the SRM requires Israel to supply all aid via a route the prescribe which is what they do.
The Palmer report states that Hamas ruled Gaza constitutes a real & present danger to Israel therefore a blockade for military purposes is LEGAL.
@45charIeston Heh, well. Like I said we are in murky waters. Most independent, interference free investigations into the situation concludes the blockade is illegal. Even UN's commission for human rights concluded so. Only one, the UN Security Council, concluded it was legal. But even here in the US, it is general consensus that the UN Security Council's conclusion was a product of US intervention.
@45charIeston So your only backing is the UN Security Council. Fine, technically they have the final say in International law, but then why is it you have been conveniently avoiding the subject of the West Bank? Do you consent you should abide by international laws there?
@Tressiensia The Israeli Naval blockade intercepted various ships/boats that were smuggling weapons to Gaza, e.g small arms, explosive devices, anti-tank weapons, anti aircraft weapons, rockets and mortars, etc. You can verify this bhy searching for the Santorini case, Karine A Affair, Francop Affair, Victoria Affair and the Abu Hasan case.
If no one tried to smuggle such vast quantity of weapons to Gaza, maybe the blockade would be much more "lighter", or wouldn't even exist.
@DelusionalParanoiia If they wanted to smuggle that stuff why use the sea? They can easily do it by land from Egypt. Frankly, for many reasons, I doubt the authenticity of those incidents, and even if they were real they are hardly "vast", and the antiquated weapons largely obsolete against the Isreali aresenal of US made hardware, to justify such an amplified response.
Egypt stops them from smuggling weapons through the tunnels. George Galloway tried & was told he had to go through Israels route ! an Egyptian soldier was killed in the gun battle & a few Pal Arabs were injured. Egypt also blockades Gaza along it's 100+ KLM border.
WB has 3 parts. 1 part Israel controls per the Oslo Accord , 1 part disputed & 1 part controlled by PA which now joined with Hamas.
There are some illegal settlements by settlers not condoned
@45charIeston Oslo Accord is with PLO. PLO doesnt exist anymore, insofar as it is not supported by its people. It merely exists as a beaurocratic exstension of Isreal to sustain its aguement via the Oslo Accord.
Is the US an apartheid state ? There is a big old border between the US & Canada . Does that make it apartheid ?
The UN Security Council has nothing to do with Int Law. The Palmer report is the official UN position regardless of what the racists general Assembly thinks. They are however , the only branch that can pass enforceable res but only if under Chapter 7. All other res are not enforceable !
@45charIeston That border is mutually agreed upon with Canada. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Israel needs to go back to the 1967 lines and then they'd have a right to cry fowl, at least in the face of the world. Hey, but the strong will do what they wanna do, and that's essentially what Israel is doing. Taking over with the intent of civilian transfer. They are also just damn good at manipulating the US and the UN and media, to make it appear it aint so.
Jews only represent 2% of the US population ! It would be very impressive if they controlled the media.
The guys I listen to are not Jews but they openly support Israel. SUN Media is my favourite news but I also look at Ma'an & Al Jazeera English . Both are pro Arab !
Mark Vandermaas , voice of Canada was a UN Peace Keeper, in Egypt 1967 & he support Israel . Charles Adler not a Jew & a very smart man who supports Israel every day ! Robert Spencer Jihad Watch
@45charIeston I have to go. Really it was a nice discussion. I come here with trolling attitude but my intent is to leave having had a good discussion that I extracted some knowledge from, which I did. Take care.
Do you really think that this conflict about where the borders are precisely drawn? That Arabs will stop attacking and peace will reign if Israel accpets indfensible pre-1967 lines as national borders?
I'd like to think that. It sounds moderate, hopeful, and humane. It plays well with friends, relatives, and colleagues.
But Hamas, Hezbollah, and Fatah, are crystal clear in their statements and actions that they will never, ever accept Israel.
Here's what Fatah, the "moderates", think about the 1967 borders:
Abbas Zaki: "The settlement should be based upon the borders of June 4, 1967. When we say that the settlement should be based upon these borders, President [Abbas] understands, we understand, and everybody knows that the greater goal cannot be accomplished in one go. If Israel withdraws from Jerusalem, evacuates the 650,000 settlers, and dismantles the wall – what will become of Israel? It will come to an end."
Zaki again. He's a Fatah central committee member and close Mahmoud Abbas associate:
"If one says that one wants to wipe Israel out… C’mon, it’s too difficult. It’s not [acceptable] policy to say so. Don’t say these things to the world. Keep it to yourself."
@45charIeston Hamas portion is a big step forward. I think Israel begrudgingly had to concede to that in front of international scrutiny. Now does the "disputed" part include the natural preservation areas that Israel designated?
Moron the Oslo was 1 of many attempts to forge peace that Israel agreed to ! They were under pressure as was the PLO.
You really have no clue or chose to ignore the truth !
Human rights groups are the biggest morons of all. There judgment is jaded by their lack of knowlege & by their objectives. I have no respect for them or the UN.
The UN also sends aid through Israel in accordance with SRM 1994 ! They got schooled by little Israel !
@45charIeston Human rights group are the least politically motivated. They are also there on the ground. I trust them more than anybody. And what are their "objectives" you speak off? Do tell. Is it a conspiracy? It is common for people who want to diminish inconvenient views by labeling it corrupt or moronic. Most of these people are educated in political science, and are far from ignorant. They are people from all parts of the world who wants to see the truth for themselves.
@45charIeston I dont want to go around in circles. Bottom line, the only way Israel can have peace, is to completely overtake the West Bank, eliminating its people, or to respect the 1967 lines. The eliminating part. Hmm wont go down so well, especially when its done by a peoples that were done that to them in Poland back when, and have been using the ensueing catastrophe to sway international opinion to their means. In fact it will eventually backfire as the cries get fewer, but louder.
Funny I haven't heard 1 Jew refer to the Holocaust here. Just ignorant people like you !
Have never felt sorry for Jews but admire them for their contribution around the world . My Canada admires them & welcomes them. We have several cooperative agreements with Israel including a recent military support agreement if they are attacked . many educational Medical & tech agreements
I have never been prouder of my country for standing up for right over BS
@45charIeston However many attempts to peace with PLO might have been attempted, PLO is not recognized any longer as representing the people Israel claims it represents, by those very people. It used to, when it fought for them. Now Its a name for the occupation of Israel in that part. Its a facade. The people of Palestine want Isreal out past the 1967 lines. That is the last line they collectively agreed to. That is the only way to achieve peace.
@45charIeston Egypt is as effective at securing their border with the Gaza strip as the Mexicans are at stopping the flow of drugs into the US. The Egyptians dont like Isreal. Gaza essentially belongs to Egypt, and the only reason Egypt agrees with bordering them off at least with a wall and road is because they dont want a bunch of refugees either. THat is the real reason that Israel doesnt actually occupy Gaza, because it will open a whole new can of worms with Egypt.
@45charIeston So my point is your assertion that there are no weapons being smuggled into Gaza from Egypt is only based on assumptions and not backed by any evidence. Just because this George Galloway dude couldnt really doesnt mean jack
@Tressiensia They can do it by land from Egypt, and they do it. They can do it by sea as well, and they DO IT. It's a common thing from people like you, who are against all Israel actions, to not believe anything pro-Israeli that is said. These were not "incidents", these were AUTHENTIC cases of weapon's smuggling to gaza by SEA, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not. What are you implying here? A conspiracy?
@Tressiensia "and even if they were real they are hardly vast" You are wrong again. In the Francop affair alone, there were more than 8000 mortar shells, 2000+ Katyusha rockets, and 500,000+ AKM rounds, among other rockets and grenades. On the Karine Affair, all the weapons confiscated were worth a value of 15$ million. Most of the rockets confiscated were to be used against the civilian population of Israel, in cities near the Gaza Strip.
@Tressiensia "and the antiquated weapons largely obsolete against the Isreali aresenal of US made hardware" Again, you are wrong. You call Strela 2 (SA-7) antiaircraft missiles obsolete? Or the C-704 ANTI-SHIP missiles? Or the radar systems made in the UK, seized in the Victoria Vessel? I'll point it again to you: all the mortar shells seized and most of the rockets would be used to hit Israeli cities near the Gaza S., like Ashkelon. In 2008 alone, 1200+ mortars were fired into Israel.
@DelusionalParanoiia The law allows Israel to redirect ships just reasonably anticipated to breach the blockade. The flotillas announced their intentions which allowed Israel to warn them & attack if they didn't follow directions to Ashod ! Clearly ( not Murky as he suggests) the IDF acted within the law. The only question to be adjudicated is ,was excessive force used ! It is clear also that IDF acted lawfully while under attack under the circumstances. Not excessive !
@DelusionalParanoiia apparently your name is bingo, according to blue, 45chariston, 45charlston - ( thats three of his accounts )
you should listen to 45IQ, he has 17 degrees at last count and uses them to earn a living by cutting & pasting from internet hate sites on here..
Unfortunately, in his ignorance he claims SRM is international law? which is funny because SR manual states on page one its a manual and not international law - i learnt that with my law degree
@idoIerner You learned how to copy/paste unreliable and distorted information with your Law Degree? Didn't you learn anything from it ? Then, you must have somekind of special talent.
@idoIerner "uses them to earn a living by cutting & pasting from internet hate sites on here.." It's kinda funny, this is exatly what you did. The difference is that everything you copied/pasted here was ridiculous, only backed-up by jew-haters and muslim extremists, who want the death of all jews.
@Bingo- funny thing about Tom and his various accounts is when ever any one askes him to back up his claims he ignores and slinks away - eg: he 'claims' i am andrew magee ( along with another 100 or so YT users ) but ask him for evidence and it's sadly lacking - possibly because he based that one on the mad ravings of a YT troll called kreplach2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 etc ,a zionutter who keeps getting banned from YT, much as 45charlton, charleton, charieton keeps getting banned
But, even if Palestinians did it the "right way", they will never get the attention. At least if they are violent, Isreal will make it known and some people will take notice of Palestine as well.
"At least if they are violent, Isreal will make it known and some people will take notice..."
That's the definition of terrorism.
And why does "Palestine" need attention? They get hundreds of millions of aid dollars from the US every year, millions of Euros, and constant constant media attention.
@45charIeston Wouldnt you fight back if you country was being occupied? Up to the 1967 borders, Palestinians concede they lost to a war and they lost some land as a result. Since then, It is only a progressive occupation by Isreal into Palestinian land. The UN and international law calls this an illegal occupation. Why would anybody sit back and allow their land to be invaded without fighting back? The only way for peace to exist is for Isreal to first remove themselves from Palestine.
@45charIeston No I cant see that. I see Isreal invading and occupying the West Bank, and I see the Palestinians doing what they need to do to survive. Sorry. I am a white christian born in the US. I study middle east affairs. I just dont see it. Most of the people I know do support Israel, but they dont care to look into it and are biased. But you did know that, didnt you?
The point is that israelies do see the other side, and do support peace and palestinians to have a normal life. we made a few agrrements with the PLO, we gave the control over the "A" areas, we left every square inch of gaza back in 2005. we gave the PLO the power and freedom to control themselves. we gave them this freedom, you know what they did with this freedom we gave them? they lunched multiple attacks on israel, and that's the only reason why the road and sea blockades were risen back up.
Here are couple of more quotes from Hezbollah leader Nasrallah, in case anyone thinks this war is about borders, or justice:
"If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli. "
Jews are the "grandsons of apes and pigs" and "Allah's most cowardly and greedy creatures."
Mufti of Jerusalem, 1937, to Palestine commission:
HAMMOND: ...did the Government of Palestine...acquire the land and then hand it over to the Jews? ... I mean forcibly acquired-compulsory acquisition as land would be acquired for public purposes?
MUFTI: No, it wasn’t.
HAMMOND: Not taken by compulsory acquisition?
MUFTI: No.
HAMMOND: I don’t quite understand what you mean by that. They were sold. Who sold them?
And trust me, they don't give a fuck on who supports them, look at Hezbollah in South Lebanon, they fought the best and most well equipped army in the Middle East with some old AK47s and RPGs with a couple of hundred men, and they gained BOTH, FREEDOM and DIGNITY, offcourse the losses were giganic, but at least everyone respects them, even their sworn enemy Isreal can't deny how great and well organized Hezbollah is. Learn from that and stop it with the Ghandi story, its a totally different era.
@blue222blue I don't care how they won, what I know is that I will respect them to the day I die, I am Palestinian, and I've NEVER seen someone beating Isreal like Hezbollah, I don't care if they have their Shia agenda, I don't care if they hate Muslims. All I know if that they are the ONLY ones who are supporting Palestine, and they are the ONLY one that freed their land without begging the U.N. to interfere. If you are an Arab, you should be proud of Hezbollah not a stupid hater.
@blue222blue You think that they are cowards hiding behind women's skirts? And you think that Israel is too human to slaughter civilians? I don't recall any IDF footage showing skirts on the Hezbollah or Hamas" Mujahideen", and I doubt that Isreal is humanistic, lets suppose that Hezbollah used civilian houses to fire rockets, did they use the U.N. check points too? Did they fire rockets from BEIRUT? Did they fire rockets from SCHOOL BUS?
Hezbollah put their rockets in women's kitchens and living rooms. During Cast Lead Hamas hid in hospitals, mosques, schools, and homes, behind women, children and old people.
They are worthy of contempt.
Check points, and the wall, go away when Arabs stop attacking.
@blue222blue Who told you that Hezbollah or Hamas stach rockets in civilians buildings? Its totally wrong, if that was true, then Hezbollah should've been fucked up and vanished in 2006, have you seen the destruction that happenned to Lebanon in that period, all the targets were civilian buildings, and the rocket launchings on Israel didn't stop for even 1 minute during the whole war, how was that possible? Bro, just use logic, don't depend on the media.
@blue222blue So you say. How do we know its true? We hear different reports from the Palestinian side. For all we know its the Mossad that's rigging rockets to justify a continuing occupation. Bottom line Israel is relying on the US's automatic support of Israel, and not actual international law. UN states the Isreali occupation of Palestine is illegal.
@Tressiensia "For all we know its the Mossad that's rigging rockets to justify a continuing occupation." Really? I'd like you to prove this. Where did this information come from?
@blue222blue Since you have a strictly controlled state run media, we here in the US with objective views dont automatically bye into those reports. In fact independent reports by humanitarian groups on the Palestinian side seems much more believeable.
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. “
What you said is illogic, how can someone get beaten all the time without doing any reaction? Plus, you cant gain dignity and honor from compassion, dying with honor is better than living in humilation. Plus, the Palestinians have been fucked up since ever, and not ONE damn country stood up for them, and now, when they stand up to defend their rights you call them terrorists and you ask them to "take it as a man"? What would you do if it happens to you country Turkey? Would you sit on your ass?
@blue222blue Did your own people suffer? If you jewish, you must at least know what your grandparents used to face during the Nazi period, you must at least respect these sufferings and not make fun of it, imagine how you'll feel if someday, a rocket fell on your house and killed your children, mother, or sister. Would you like someone to make fun of you, I am supposedly you enemy as you might think, but I will never do what your doing. Laughing at mothers wining their dead children is not cool.
I Was worth 50 Sheep the story of a brave girl Sabere and her struggle for life. Through the prism of her family this heart-rending film brings the tragedy that is Afghanistan vividly to life. She, has a price on her head. When she was just ten years old she was sold to a man forty years her senior. After seven years of confinement and abuse she escaped to find temporary refuge in a women's sanctuary. again has a price on her head as her husband will kill her on sight.
@45charIeston BTW, when you curse Arabs, your cursing Jews, because many Jews have Arabic origins, so, the conclusion, YOU ARE IGNORANT. Arab=Raice Judaism=Religion Sons of Israel=Sons of Isac= 12 Tribes of Isreal= Kanaanits= Semitics... Arabs=Sons of Ishmail,,, so your actually cousins you stupid ignorant fuck.
"A rocket fired from a civilian area in Gaza towards civilian areas in Southern Israel. ... Overshot missiles hit the Jordanian city of Aqaba, killing one person and ... On 20 October, an accidental explosion occurred at a Hamas Qassam rocket .."
Can you please give me the sources of these quotes and the bank thing. Plus, I am aethist, not Muslim, and how was Israel legally founded? It was founded under the British occupation, how is that legal for you? I am not saying that the Israelis don't have the right to live there, I am totally with anyone chosing to live wherever they want, all I am saying is that, they have the right to live peacefully, but at the same time, they should leave others live peacefully, have you been into Israel?
If you google a bit you can easily find the sources on Nasrallah. If you can't find anything, let me know in a few days and I'll help. But it's all on the record.
The Ottoman empire lost WWI, and signed treaties relinquishing control of Palestine to the British. The British created the Palestine Mandate, dividing the area, most to Arabs, some to Jews. Later the UN created Israel based on that division. All legal.
@blue222blue Israel is legal, but palestine is legal too, they should live in peace not kill each other, but at the same time, each one of us has his own view on whats happenning there, i also have israeli friends, half of my mothers family live in israel, i mentioned that i am half jewish before, Muslim father, Jewish mother, and both families have great peacefull relations, I am atheist, and I am totally against religions. I hope someday peace would come to the middle east
@hinginana There is no such thing as legality when it comes to nations. Either they exist and/or are recognized by other nations or they aren't. e.g. Samalia is a recognized nation, but doesn't really exist as governmental entity while Samaliland exists as a government entity, but isn't recognized by any other nation.
I agree 100% about live and let live. But Arabs attacked in 1948, 1967, 1973, Intifada I & II, West Bank suicide bombs, Gaza rockets... just to hit the highlights.
Israel defends. It's not the same thing.
I've never been to Israel, but I have Israel friends, and would like to visit some day. I also have Pakistani and Arab Muslim friends and acquaintances. None of them are haters.
@blue222blue That's why you need to respect, by giving rights and recognizing the state. You would feel the same way if people were occupying your land and had all the power to control you, and you were living at their mercy. You would probably want to die with honor too, at that point. You aren't on the receiving end of that, that is why you can make such statements.
In 26th of Sept.2006,the UN stated the Israel practice random killing against the Palestinians without any guilt or crime.
Its policy rely on killing Palestinians as much as they can to take their lands and building settlements.No humanitarian, no respecting for the international law,nothing that leads to a " descent " country.it shouldn't be counted as one!
@pmoyer50 So does Russia, China, India, and Turkey. And soon Iran. You zionist are comical. Land mass doesn't equate superpowers. If US had sent weapons and money to Iran for 50 years, they too would be a force. Israel's short existence had nothing to do with your god, unless you worship America as a deity. Where was all the blessings when Rome ruled Israel for nearly half a millennium? Where was all the blessings when the Muslims ruled it for over a 1200 yrs? You're a joke, dumb ass.
Israeli police just arrested two Hamas officials who had been hiding in the Red Cross building in Jerusalem for more than a year.
Typical cowardly Hamas behavior. The brave mujahideen always hang out in schools, hospitals, mosques, homes, and aid organizations, using innocents as human shields.
That's why there were high civilian casualties in Cast Lead. Those creeps could care less about ordinary "Palestinians".
Palestine's (whetever that is) and the Arab league's fault 100%.From the beginning even Jordan was supposed to be included as Israel by the Brittish, but was then changed to a land for the so called Palestinians who by the way can get citizenship in Israel,but in no Arab countries so that the Palestinian and Arab authorities can keep the genocidal pots vs Israel boiling. When the Ottoman empire was divided the only other group but Arabs who got land was the Jews.to every muslim 99% is too little
@matereo In 1959 the Arab league resolution no 1457 says "the Arab countries will not grant citizenship to aplicants of Palestinian origin in order to prevent assimilation into the host countries"... why don't anyone ever complain about the status of Palestinians in Arab countries? About their closed borders? About the Egyptian closed border towards Ghaza? Hear Fatah and Hamas on tv everyday do hate speak vs Jews, Christians, and other beliefs and openly promote massmurder. 100% IslamoNazi
For the record, I don't have any other accounts. Anyone with half a brain reading this thread can see the different styles and points of view of the posters.
It seems to be a huge surprise to some people that not everyone blames all the worlds ills on Jews. Imagine, two or three people who support Israel! LOL
I'm happy to be confused with the learned gentlemen Charleston and DelusionalParanoia, though.
@blue222blue careful, you 'accidentally' replied to the comments addressed to your other accounts as 'blue222blue'-
remember, when you reply as charleston or chariston, to always call people asshole and moron, before cutting & pasting your hate speech from your internet hate site, there's a good bigot
Anybody who visits Jihadwatch will find that there is no hate there. It's a great site, with a humanitarian mission to advocate for civil rights of all people, including Muslims, who, by the way, are not a race.
I've asked the ignorant many times to quote something hateful from there. They never do, because it isn't there.
Palestine is wrong. Of course the Young Turks support Palestine the are muslims. Isrealies have been there thousands of years. Muslims are immigrants from Jordan that came up in the Ottomoon Empire.
@45charIeston The UN Palmer Report ignorantly said Israel was right for attacking the humanitarian flotilla. Which a slew of other organizations, including the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said Israel was completely wrong.
But, that's non-sequitur; my point was the WORLD as a WHOLE says Israel is wrong. 67% of the countries of the world say Palestinians should be recognized as a state.
And don't pretend as if Christians and Jews are angels. You too have extremists.
@iShutEmUp Moron the Palmer report was right as far as Int Law is concerned !
San Remo Manual,the current law of blockades backs Israel's right to protect themselves from Gaza a hostile territory & to attack vessels trying to breach it !
The UN was ignorant of the law & that is why the commission the Palmer Report !Canada backs Israel as do other sane countries !
Israel is a psychopathic terrorist state, that's just bullying a poor defenseless country. That's why EVERY body, including factions of the UN, condemned Israel. Just look at all the resolutions having to do with the conflict. Almost all of them are filled with the UN condemning Israel.
The only one's here that are ignorant of international law and human rights is Israel and America.
Resolutions are not enforceable unless signed by the Security council under Chpt 7 ! It is easy to get monkeys in suits to sponsor a resolution. 22 Arab states & some euro assholes countries !
Of course I am aware of Islamic treachery infesting the world just like Gaza.
As I have said this is not just an Israelis problem !
Morons like you make it clear that there are lots of insane idiots out there preaching hate shit.
@45charIeston Israel is a fucking insane nation, ran by dumb ass religious zealots. It's time will soon be up, so enjoy that psychopathic state while you can, ass-wipe.
@iShutEmUp I haven't got the time to wait on you asshole !
Israel did everything they could to protect you from hurting yourself. A nice wall, buffer zone & blockade, yet you continue to put yourself in harms way !
Even a rat knows when to change directions !
Notice how quiet things are in Gaza while they try to act civilized.
Proof that if they stop the rockets Israel has no reason to retaliate !
Do you think the millions of Hindus who were forced from their ancestral homes in what is now Pakistan were happy about it? They protested all right. More than 1,000,000 died.
Maybe the world community can implement your logic. No more Israel in exchange for no more Pakistan.
But no one would accept that. It's not who was there first. It's who legally owns it now.
@blue222blue Well, they aren't doing it now. And regardless, it's not my damn problem. None of my government are supporting India or Pakistan unconditionally.
And it wasn't my 'logic' to begin with. I was rebutting @Orthodox123456 comment that Jews been in the land longer than Canaanites. Reading is fundamental.
And legally, the Palestinians own it. But, they are merciful and nice enough to share the land. Problem is; Israel's psychopathic government isn't willing to do the same.
What does 67% think Gaza should be recognized as a state have to do with anything about Israel's right to defend ? I agree they should which means nothing !
It is no different than all the treacherous Islamic states like Syria, Libya etc !
All that is required is a defined territory & self government ! They of course now admit they are not occupied which the UN keeps saying it is. If it was it could not receive statehood & UN membership !
@45charIeston Going on offense, and then saying you were defending yourself is illogical. Secondly, I said nothing about Israel's 'right to defend'. I was talking about Israel not being interested in peace by continuing to build settlements.
All religious extremist art the same. Israel is in the same boat as Syria.
Palestinians say no such thing. The are occupied and the world knows it.
Israel should have never been made a state to begin with.
"Going on offense, and then saying you were defending yourself is illogical."
Not at all. A great offence is prerequisite to a great defence. Caste Lead is an example ! The preemptive strike by Israel against Arab troops amassing to attack them is another. In war , offence is logical defence !
After Caste Lead the Pal Arabs thought twice about attacking Israel but with all defective thinkers , it didn't last.
@45charIeston "A great offence is prerequisite to a great defence."
This isn't a fucking game. Innocent people are dying, and that psychopathic, right-wing, idiotic government of Israel is dragging Americans into their mess.
Only dumb ass, war mongers, like Bush and Israel, think that 'preemptive' strikes will bring about peace. Yeah, that's right; go around the world slapping people and throw a fit when they slap you back.
Jihad Watch is an internet hate site used by right wing islamaphobes, white supremacist trash such as char i ston, charLston ( 2 accounts i & l ) loons to spread misinformation and hatred of Islam, a skewed, one-sided, and inflammatory story that only helps to sow the seed of civilizational conflict.
The websites Spencer Watch and Loon Watch were founded in reaction to the Jihad Watch website.
blueballs, aka 45 chariston, charLston ( 2 accounts i & l ) aka Tom is a simple ignorant lying hate monger, he's a white supremacist who is too stupid to know that the white supremacist hate sites he cuts & pastes from also hate jews and catholics, as well as muslims
45iq's technique is simple, 'moron' 'asshole' followed by cut & paste from his favourite hate site, jihadwatch - for some reason he never cuts & pastes from jewwatch - it's mirror hate site
I know it is hard to swallow but Israel is winning & Arabs are still killing anything that moves that isn't Islamic & even their brother / sister Muslims!
That is one of the big ironies of this conflict. If every inch of Israel was "liberated" and all the Jews moved to New Zealand, life for Palestinian Arabs would get worse, not better.
Without a common enemy, Hamas and Fatah would go back to killing each other, and the economy, such as it is, would plunge without the only free market economy in the region.
Israel is the best thing that ever happened to Palestine.
It has never been about Jews & Israel. It is just another focal point for their treachery !
They butcher each other for the slightest reason.
One would have to be a moron not to see this !
To me Israel is the best thing that ever happened in the region.
The USA Dessert Storm is an example of the US coming to help Kuwait when Iraq invaded them & were heading to Saudi next. destroyed everything in their path until the US booted them
Of course India accepts Pakistan. Not because it was right for Muslim invaders to conquer the land, populate it, and eventually secure a nation status by years of terrorism. But because India is rational and accepts reality as it is.
Arabs should give that a try. Accepting Israel would make the violence disappear.
@blue222blue Oh, you have no fucking clue about real history.
Newsflash, Palestinians have been trying to accept Israel as a state, but every time they try that incompetent, right-wing government of Israel just up the ante every time. Have you NOT been paying attention to the negotiations? Or are you just spewing whatever zionist propaganda that is feed to you like a dirty pig in a slop-trough?
Either way, Israel is losing support from Americans each day. They'll be done soon.
Arabs in Palestine have been repeatedly offered a state, in spite of their 63 years of imperialist violence.
The don't have one for one simple reason: they openly declare that they will never accept the existence of Israel and they attack every chance they get.
@blue222blue LOL. You're fucking clueless. The Palestinians, time and time again agreed to accepting Israel as a state as long as Israel stop occupying them, stop building settlements, and go back to the 1967 borders.
Dumb ass zionist are the terrorists who won't accept such a peaceful negotiation.
But the pre-1967 lines, which were never borders, are indefensible. Israel cannot accept that given the pledge of all major Palestinian officials to destroy Israel.
Of course you missed that because you want Israel destroyed.
Arabs invaded in 1967 and lost land when they lost that war. Tough for them. Stop invading if you don't want to lose land.
@blue222blue Well, the world, the UN, AND America are saying take your bigoted asses back to the 1967 borders. So, I don't give a damn what excuse you have for not doing so.
@iShutEmUp Oh, negotiations? You mean, when Israel removed ALL settlements from Gaza in It's 'unilateral disengagement plan' a MAJOR STEP TOWARDS PEACE, and Hamas/other militia groups responded very kindly by launching more than 8,000 rockets into Israel? That's some new way of making peace, very odd by the way, don't you think?
@DelusionalParanoiia They didn't remove ANY settlements for the Palestinians' land. They're still build settlements and still being condemned from the UN and USA for doing so.
"Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency."
Ma'an not a Zionist news agency.
Hamas has never agreed to the sate of Israel as much as you would like us to believe.
@iShutEmUp "Palestinians have been trying to accept Israel as a state"
That's a joke right? So that's why the PA Mufti constatly says how jews are "apes and pigs" and how the great they will come, when all jews will be annihilated in Israel, when even ROCKS will tell where jews are hiding. Oh, poor "genocided" "palestinians".
@DelusionalParanoiia The Mufti isn't the president of Palestine, so I really don't give a damn what he says. I could quote you plenty of zionists saying the same insults about Arabs and Muslims, so spare me.
Israel's incompetent leaders aren't interested in peace. If they were, they would go back to the 1967 borders and stay their asses there. But, they're terrorist so they would rather be extreme fundamentalist and torture the Palestinians instead.
@iShutEmUp There is a video response here about your "doubt" regarding Israel and the pre-1967 borders. No, they are not terrorists. All IDF incursions inside Gaza were retaliations against Hamas/militia groups launching Qassam Rockets into Israeli territory, from Op Rainbown in 2004 to Cast Lead in 2009. No one is torturing the "palestinians", they torture themselves by supporting terrorist groups, who only want death.
@DelusionalParanoiia They are terrorists. And they have committed crimes against humanity time and time again. They aren't interested in peace, they just want to keep the Nazi agenda alive by torturing the poor Palestinians.
If the Zionists stole the land & didn't buy it ,why does Hamas state that selling land to a Jew is punishable by death ? Pal Arabs who sold land to Jews in WB have fled for fear of being killed !
@45charIeston Arafat and the arabs sold palestine to the jews in return of money, but the palestinians who sold their lands sold it under the threat of death, and with very cheap price, so in reality, their land was stolen not sold.
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blue222blue 6 hours ago
If America supports Israel, then God .. with Palestine
Free0Palestine1988 20 hours ago
@Free0Palestine1988 God is not with "Palestine". If he was, your "ancestors", i.e the ARAB MUSLIMS who were living in that region throughout the XX Century, would have chosen peace, instead of war, misery, bloodsheds, and humiliating defeats in ALL WARS fought against Israel. Your muslim god and your holy prophet are nothing but a lie, in fact, your religion is one of the main problems of that region.
DelusionalParanoiia 15 hours ago
@DelusionalParanoiia
See how he reverses everything you say back at you
He has nothing original to say
Same old crap. I doubt he got through high school
45charIeston 6 hours ago
The jews have planned this out decades ago..check out the balfour declaration and whose name is on that....israel is the only problem in current global events.
lumpfish99 1 day ago
@lumpfish99
You obviously can't read !!! Arab states are in turmoil, Muslim states are in bloodshed & not a Jew in sight !
Egypt an example is now controlled by the M brotherhood. Of course Jews wanted that !
You morons are so stupid it is killing you !
Hide @ The Jews will get you idiot !
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston ok jew...the world is waking up to your constant lies!! more and more people every day are understanding the crimes you fuckers have been commiting its just a matter of time!!! RIP USS Liberty....WE WILL NEVER FORGET.
lumpfish99 11 hours ago
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@lumpfish99
"The allies came in to save Kuwait & Saudi from Muslim Iraq !" -Charleston
Yes.
The West also saved Muslims in Kosovo with high altitude bombing of Christian Serbs.
The US has given an average of $300 million a year to the Palestinian Authority for the last ten years. EU and other countries give a huge amounts, too. Arabs? Not much.
When the tsunami hit Muslim Indonesia, who was first on the scene with massive aid? USA and other Western countries.
But infidels must die!
blue222blue 6 hours ago
@lumpfish99
Jihad Watch
"Pakistani foreign minister: Islam is the most misunderstood religion in the world
Jan 27, 2012 05:35 pm | Marisol
How, then, pray tell, is Islam so consistently "misunderstood," across geographical areas and schools of jurisprudence, with respect to jihad warfare, and the rights of women and non-Muslims, from Great Britain to Nigeria to Algeria to Tunisia to France to Egypt to Germany to Turkey to the Palestinian territories"
45charIeston 5 hours ago
@lumpfish99
Jihad Watch
"Iraq: Dozens killed in bout of mutual Islamophobia
Jan 27, 2012 05:16 pm | Marisol
Across the world, one could argue that the world's biggest Islamophobes are Sunnis attacking Shi'ites, and vice-versa. Where's the outrage for that? "Dozens Killed in Attack on Iraqi Funeral Procession," by Sam Dagher and Ali A. Nabhan for the Wall Street Journal, January 27: BAGHDAD
"
45charIeston 5 hours ago 2
@lumpfish99
"By JOE PARKINSON in Istanbul and SAM DAGHER in Erbil, Iraq
Iraq summoned Turkey's ambassador on Monday to protest what it called Ankara's meddling in Iraqi politics, the latest sign of a rising rift between Sunni Turkey and its Shiite neighbours. "
Ho Hum just another day in the world of Islam !!!!
45charIeston 5 hours ago 2
Isreal has no right to claim any form of moral high ground or complain about attacks if they dont first get out of Palestinian land. People who are being invaded have every right fight back. In fact that is the international law as established by the Geneva convention when the UN was created. The same UN that created the Isreali state in 1948
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
What you know about Int Law is ZERO !!!
In fact try reading the Genevas which were designed to deal with real occupiers like Germany & collaborators !
The 4th states that if nationals of a territory do no abide by the 4th they are not protected by it !
Women & child suicide bombers, mortar attacks on civilian areas etc is not abiding by it.
The UN Palmer report backs Israel which is based on current Int Law of blockades "San Remo Manual 1994"
Gaza is not occupied
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston They are not supposed to resort to methods of fighting as you described, unfortunately that still doesnt make Isreal's occupation legal. Show me where, or how it does.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@45charIeston BTW the Palmer report only covers land blockade, not naval. It is you that have some knowledge but only enough to interprete it to justify Israel's illegal acts.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
Idiot it covers naval blockades ! Google San Remo Manual 1994 which deals with naval blockades !
"Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency."
This is why I call you an ignorant asshole not just for fun !
Yes I have knowledge but Palmer report had to agree because the law is clear.
45charIeston 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
"International Humanitarian Law - San Remo Manual 1994 - ICRC (International Committee of The Red Cross) Treaties Home › Introduction
San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994. PART I : GENERAL ...
You've visited this page 2 times. Last visit: 12/01/12"
Get the idea yet ?
Just think all you idiots have wrong all this time !
Knowledge will set you free !
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston I am familiar with all you have mentioned. San Remo Manual does not apply, since, very simply, there is no naval conflict. Palestine does not have a recognized navy. The portion of the San Remo Manual that was interpreted to apply to the Palmer report also does not apply to two nations that arent at war. If Palestine is a terrorist nation, normal rules of engagement does not apply. It is Israel that for its benefit negates those portions by legal interpretation.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@45charIeston And even if you dont believe me (we ARE getting into murky legal waters, excuse my pun), everything you point out is mooted by one simple overriding fact; Israel's naval blockade is causing a disproportionate impact on the human rights of civilians.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
Every time you post you show more ignorance of the law. SRM 1994 applies & that is what the UN report has stated. All blockades cause suffering but the SRM requires Israel to supply all aid via a route the prescribe which is what they do.
The Palmer report states that Hamas ruled Gaza constitutes a real & present danger to Israel therefore a blockade for military purposes is LEGAL.
The blockade applies to land sea & air !
That is why the blockade is still there
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston Heh, well. Like I said we are in murky waters. Most independent, interference free investigations into the situation concludes the blockade is illegal. Even UN's commission for human rights concluded so. Only one, the UN Security Council, concluded it was legal. But even here in the US, it is general consensus that the UN Security Council's conclusion was a product of US intervention.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@45charIeston So your only backing is the UN Security Council. Fine, technically they have the final say in International law, but then why is it you have been conveniently avoiding the subject of the West Bank? Do you consent you should abide by international laws there?
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia The Israeli Naval blockade intercepted various ships/boats that were smuggling weapons to Gaza, e.g small arms, explosive devices, anti-tank weapons, anti aircraft weapons, rockets and mortars, etc. You can verify this bhy searching for the Santorini case, Karine A Affair, Francop Affair, Victoria Affair and the Abu Hasan case.
If no one tried to smuggle such vast quantity of weapons to Gaza, maybe the blockade would be much more "lighter", or wouldn't even exist.
DelusionalParanoiia 1 day ago
@DelusionalParanoiia If they wanted to smuggle that stuff why use the sea? They can easily do it by land from Egypt. Frankly, for many reasons, I doubt the authenticity of those incidents, and even if they were real they are hardly "vast", and the antiquated weapons largely obsolete against the Isreali aresenal of US made hardware, to justify such an amplified response.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
So sad !
Egypt stops them from smuggling weapons through the tunnels. George Galloway tried & was told he had to go through Israels route ! an Egyptian soldier was killed in the gun battle & a few Pal Arabs were injured. Egypt also blockades Gaza along it's 100+ KLM border.
WB has 3 parts. 1 part Israel controls per the Oslo Accord , 1 part disputed & 1 part controlled by PA which now joined with Hamas.
There are some illegal settlements by settlers not condoned
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston Oslo Accord is with PLO. PLO doesnt exist anymore, insofar as it is not supported by its people. It merely exists as a beaurocratic exstension of Isreal to sustain its aguement via the Oslo Accord.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
Is the US an apartheid state ? There is a big old border between the US & Canada . Does that make it apartheid ?
The UN Security Council has nothing to do with Int Law. The Palmer report is the official UN position regardless of what the racists general Assembly thinks. They are however , the only branch that can pass enforceable res but only if under Chapter 7. All other res are not enforceable !
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston That border is mutually agreed upon with Canada. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Israel needs to go back to the 1967 lines and then they'd have a right to cry fowl, at least in the face of the world. Hey, but the strong will do what they wanna do, and that's essentially what Israel is doing. Taking over with the intent of civilian transfer. They are also just damn good at manipulating the US and the UN and media, to make it appear it aint so.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
Jews only represent 2% of the US population ! It would be very impressive if they controlled the media.
The guys I listen to are not Jews but they openly support Israel. SUN Media is my favourite news but I also look at Ma'an & Al Jazeera English . Both are pro Arab !
Mark Vandermaas , voice of Canada was a UN Peace Keeper, in Egypt 1967 & he support Israel . Charles Adler not a Jew & a very smart man who supports Israel every day ! Robert Spencer Jihad Watch
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston I have to go. Really it was a nice discussion. I come here with trolling attitude but my intent is to leave having had a good discussion that I extracted some knowledge from, which I did. Take care.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
For the sake of both sides ,I hope you did but based on your remarks , I doubt it !
45charIeston 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
Do you really think that this conflict about where the borders are precisely drawn? That Arabs will stop attacking and peace will reign if Israel accpets indfensible pre-1967 lines as national borders?
I'd like to think that. It sounds moderate, hopeful, and humane. It plays well with friends, relatives, and colleagues.
But Hamas, Hezbollah, and Fatah, are crystal clear in their statements and actions that they will never, ever accept Israel.
blue222blue 22 hours ago
@Tressiensia
Here's what Fatah, the "moderates", think about the 1967 borders:
Abbas Zaki: "The settlement should be based upon the borders of June 4, 1967. When we say that the settlement should be based upon these borders, President [Abbas] understands, we understand, and everybody knows that the greater goal cannot be accomplished in one go. If Israel withdraws from Jerusalem, evacuates the 650,000 settlers, and dismantles the wall – what will become of Israel? It will come to an end."
blue222blue 21 hours ago
@Tressiensia
Zaki again. He's a Fatah central committee member and close Mahmoud Abbas associate:
"If one says that one wants to wipe Israel out… C’mon, it’s too difficult. It’s not [acceptable] policy to say so. Don’t say these things to the world. Keep it to yourself."
blue222blue 21 hours ago
@Tressiensia
Abbas himself recently stated that he would never accept Israel as a Jewish state. Never. He emphasized it.
I guess that makes him moderate in some people's eyes. After all, Hamas and Hezbollah openly call for the extermination of all the Jews in the world.
And you want Israel to again give away land... for what? There is no reason to think it will bring peace.
Israel tried it in Gaza. Look what happened.
blue222blue 21 hours ago
@Tressiensia
The senior PA cleric, quoting an Hadith, said this just a few days ago at a Fatah anniversary celebration. This was broadcast on official PA TV.
"The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews.
The Jew will hide behind stones or trees.
Then the stones or trees will call:
'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'"
The moderator said:
"Our war with the descendants of the apes and pigs is a war of religion and faith."
blue222blue 21 hours ago
@Tressiensia
Borders can be negotiated and settled. Arab Muslims can have yet another Mideast state, to go with the Palestinian nation they already have, Jordan.
But only when they recognize tiny Israel's right to exist, and stop attacking.
Granting concessions before that day only prolongs the suffering for all parties.
blue222blue 21 hours ago
@45charIeston Hamas portion is a big step forward. I think Israel begrudgingly had to concede to that in front of international scrutiny. Now does the "disputed" part include the natural preservation areas that Israel designated?
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
Moron the Oslo was 1 of many attempts to forge peace that Israel agreed to ! They were under pressure as was the PLO.
You really have no clue or chose to ignore the truth !
Human rights groups are the biggest morons of all. There judgment is jaded by their lack of knowlege & by their objectives. I have no respect for them or the UN.
The UN also sends aid through Israel in accordance with SRM 1994 ! They got schooled by little Israel !
I am impressed !
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston Human rights group are the least politically motivated. They are also there on the ground. I trust them more than anybody. And what are their "objectives" you speak off? Do tell. Is it a conspiracy? It is common for people who want to diminish inconvenient views by labeling it corrupt or moronic. Most of these people are educated in political science, and are far from ignorant. They are people from all parts of the world who wants to see the truth for themselves.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@45charIeston I dont want to go around in circles. Bottom line, the only way Israel can have peace, is to completely overtake the West Bank, eliminating its people, or to respect the 1967 lines. The eliminating part. Hmm wont go down so well, especially when its done by a peoples that were done that to them in Poland back when, and have been using the ensueing catastrophe to sway international opinion to their means. In fact it will eventually backfire as the cries get fewer, but louder.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
Funny I haven't heard 1 Jew refer to the Holocaust here. Just ignorant people like you !
Have never felt sorry for Jews but admire them for their contribution around the world . My Canada admires them & welcomes them. We have several cooperative agreements with Israel including a recent military support agreement if they are attacked . many educational Medical & tech agreements
I have never been prouder of my country for standing up for right over BS
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston However many attempts to peace with PLO might have been attempted, PLO is not recognized any longer as representing the people Israel claims it represents, by those very people. It used to, when it fought for them. Now Its a name for the occupation of Israel in that part. Its a facade. The people of Palestine want Isreal out past the 1967 lines. That is the last line they collectively agreed to. That is the only way to achieve peace.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@45charIeston Egypt is as effective at securing their border with the Gaza strip as the Mexicans are at stopping the flow of drugs into the US. The Egyptians dont like Isreal. Gaza essentially belongs to Egypt, and the only reason Egypt agrees with bordering them off at least with a wall and road is because they dont want a bunch of refugees either. THat is the real reason that Israel doesnt actually occupy Gaza, because it will open a whole new can of worms with Egypt.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@45charIeston So my point is your assertion that there are no weapons being smuggled into Gaza from Egypt is only based on assumptions and not backed by any evidence. Just because this George Galloway dude couldnt really doesnt mean jack
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia They can do it by land from Egypt, and they do it. They can do it by sea as well, and they DO IT. It's a common thing from people like you, who are against all Israel actions, to not believe anything pro-Israeli that is said. These were not "incidents", these were AUTHENTIC cases of weapon's smuggling to gaza by SEA, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not. What are you implying here? A conspiracy?
DelusionalParanoiia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia "and even if they were real they are hardly vast" You are wrong again. In the Francop affair alone, there were more than 8000 mortar shells, 2000+ Katyusha rockets, and 500,000+ AKM rounds, among other rockets and grenades. On the Karine Affair, all the weapons confiscated were worth a value of 15$ million. Most of the rockets confiscated were to be used against the civilian population of Israel, in cities near the Gaza Strip.
DelusionalParanoiia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia "and the antiquated weapons largely obsolete against the Isreali aresenal of US made hardware" Again, you are wrong. You call Strela 2 (SA-7) antiaircraft missiles obsolete? Or the C-704 ANTI-SHIP missiles? Or the radar systems made in the UK, seized in the Victoria Vessel? I'll point it again to you: all the mortar shells seized and most of the rockets would be used to hit Israeli cities near the Gaza S., like Ashkelon. In 2008 alone, 1200+ mortars were fired into Israel.
DelusionalParanoiia 1 day ago
@DelusionalParanoiia The law allows Israel to redirect ships just reasonably anticipated to breach the blockade. The flotillas announced their intentions which allowed Israel to warn them & attack if they didn't follow directions to Ashod ! Clearly ( not Murky as he suggests) the IDF acted within the law. The only question to be adjudicated is ,was excessive force used ! It is clear also that IDF acted lawfully while under attack under the circumstances. Not excessive !
45charIeston 1 day ago
@DelusionalParanoiia apparently your name is bingo, according to blue, 45chariston, 45charlston - ( thats three of his accounts )
you should listen to 45IQ, he has 17 degrees at last count and uses them to earn a living by cutting & pasting from internet hate sites on here..
Unfortunately, in his ignorance he claims SRM is international law? which is funny because SR manual states on page one its a manual and not international law - i learnt that with my law degree
idoIerner 17 hours ago
@idoIerner You learned how to copy/paste unreliable and distorted information with your Law Degree? Didn't you learn anything from it ? Then, you must have somekind of special talent.
DelusionalParanoiia 15 hours ago
@idoIerner "uses them to earn a living by cutting & pasting from internet hate sites on here.." It's kinda funny, this is exatly what you did. The difference is that everything you copied/pasted here was ridiculous, only backed-up by jew-haters and muslim extremists, who want the death of all jews.
DelusionalParanoiia 15 hours ago
@Bingo- funny thing about Tom and his various accounts is when ever any one askes him to back up his claims he ignores and slinks away - eg: he 'claims' i am andrew magee ( along with another 100 or so YT users ) but ask him for evidence and it's sadly lacking - possibly because he based that one on the mad ravings of a YT troll called kreplach2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 etc ,a zionutter who keeps getting banned from YT, much as 45charlton, charleton, charieton keeps getting banned
idoIerner 17 hours ago
israel people need to get rid of benny the bum and his gang of troublemakers they are like bush and cheney gang
smiley8990 1 day ago
israel is allowed to get away with the only illegal occupation in the world
israel iis practicing apartheid against the palestinians
israel is doing to the palestinians what they learned from the nazis and russians,,,,,when the lamb becomes the wolf
smiley8990 1 day ago
But, even if Palestinians did it the "right way", they will never get the attention. At least if they are violent, Isreal will make it known and some people will take notice of Palestine as well.
Tressiensia 2 days ago
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blue222blue 1 day ago
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@Tressiensia
"At least if they are violent, Isreal will make it known and some people will take notice..."
That's the definition of terrorism.
And why does "Palestine" need attention? They get hundreds of millions of aid dollars from the US every year, millions of Euros, and constant constant media attention.
blue222blue 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
It is their violence that made me notice them & I side with Israel ! Any one with a brain can see that Israel is doing what they have to survive.
45charIeston 1 day ago
@45charIeston Wouldnt you fight back if you country was being occupied? Up to the 1967 borders, Palestinians concede they lost to a war and they lost some land as a result. Since then, It is only a progressive occupation by Isreal into Palestinian land. The UN and international law calls this an illegal occupation. Why would anybody sit back and allow their land to be invaded without fighting back? The only way for peace to exist is for Isreal to first remove themselves from Palestine.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@45charIeston No I cant see that. I see Isreal invading and occupying the West Bank, and I see the Palestinians doing what they need to do to survive. Sorry. I am a white christian born in the US. I study middle east affairs. I just dont see it. Most of the people I know do support Israel, but they dont care to look into it and are biased. But you did know that, didnt you?
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia
Idiot I have a law degree & a degree in Economics. very capable of reading the law & more importantly , understanding it !
HR laws are clear & are backing Israel. They are written in "Condition Precedent" which loosely means something must happen or exist to apply.
What happened was Hamas controls Gaza & pT of WB . That is the trigger for a legal blockade of a hostile Gaza Funny how that works
It is very easy to see that you lack any credibility from your remarks.
45charIeston 1 day ago
Thank you. You speak the truth.
Tressiensia 2 days ago
The point is that israelies do see the other side, and do support peace and palestinians to have a normal life. we made a few agrrements with the PLO, we gave the control over the "A" areas, we left every square inch of gaza back in 2005. we gave the PLO the power and freedom to control themselves. we gave them this freedom, you know what they did with this freedom we gave them? they lunched multiple attacks on israel, and that's the only reason why the road and sea blockades were risen back up.
skvetny 2 days ago 2
@skvetny
That is true !
They deliver aid to Gaza & I have seen documentaries on Israelis doctors treating Gaza children
You have to realize that most Anti Israelis posters are not interested in truth but blinded by a fallacious hate that has nothing to do with reality !
45charIeston 2 days ago
Here are couple of more quotes from Hezbollah leader Nasrallah, in case anyone thinks this war is about borders, or justice:
"If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli. "
Jews are the "grandsons of apes and pigs" and "Allah's most cowardly and greedy creatures."
blue222blue 2 days ago
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Mufti of Jerusalem, 1937, to Palestine commission:
HAMMOND: ...did the Government of Palestine...acquire the land and then hand it over to the Jews? ... I mean forcibly acquired-compulsory acquisition as land would be acquired for public purposes?
MUFTI: No, it wasn’t.
HAMMOND: Not taken by compulsory acquisition?
MUFTI: No.
HAMMOND: I don’t quite understand what you mean by that. They were sold. Who sold them?
MUFTI: Land owners.
HAMMOND: Arabs?
MUFTI: In most cases they were Arabs.
blue222blue 2 days ago
And trust me, they don't give a fuck on who supports them, look at Hezbollah in South Lebanon, they fought the best and most well equipped army in the Middle East with some old AK47s and RPGs with a couple of hundred men, and they gained BOTH, FREEDOM and DIGNITY, offcourse the losses were giganic, but at least everyone respects them, even their sworn enemy Isreal can't deny how great and well organized Hezbollah is. Learn from that and stop it with the Ghandi story, its a totally different era.
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
It's a different era from Gandhi alright.
Hezbollah won because they put their missiles in private homes, and Israel was too humane too slaughter civilians.
Hezbollah, like their brothers Hamas cowering in Damascus, are little cowards who hide behind women's skirts. These are the glorious Mujahideen.
blue222blue 2 days ago
@blue222blue I don't care how they won, what I know is that I will respect them to the day I die, I am Palestinian, and I've NEVER seen someone beating Isreal like Hezbollah, I don't care if they have their Shia agenda, I don't care if they hate Muslims. All I know if that they are the ONLY ones who are supporting Palestine, and they are the ONLY one that freed their land without begging the U.N. to interfere. If you are an Arab, you should be proud of Hezbollah not a stupid hater.
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
I respect Muhammad, Islam, Muslims, and Arabs. We're all human brothers and sisters.
I don't respect killers.
Israel was founded legally, and the war against it is immoral.
I'm not Jewish or Israeli.
blue222blue 2 days ago
@blue222blue You think that they are cowards hiding behind women's skirts? And you think that Israel is too human to slaughter civilians? I don't recall any IDF footage showing skirts on the Hezbollah or Hamas" Mujahideen", and I doubt that Isreal is humanistic, lets suppose that Hezbollah used civilian houses to fire rockets, did they use the U.N. check points too? Did they fire rockets from BEIRUT? Did they fire rockets from SCHOOL BUS?
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
Hezbollah put their rockets in women's kitchens and living rooms. During Cast Lead Hamas hid in hospitals, mosques, schools, and homes, behind women, children and old people.
They are worthy of contempt.
Check points, and the wall, go away when Arabs stop attacking.
Hamas fired rockets AT a school bus!
blue222blue 2 days ago
@blue222blue Who told you that Hezbollah or Hamas stach rockets in civilians buildings? Its totally wrong, if that was true, then Hezbollah should've been fucked up and vanished in 2006, have you seen the destruction that happenned to Lebanon in that period, all the targets were civilian buildings, and the rocket launchings on Israel didn't stop for even 1 minute during the whole war, how was that possible? Bro, just use logic, don't depend on the media.
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
Moron if you understood English you would know that I called you another asshole Arab which doesn't mean all Arabs are assholes like you .
The UN voted to create Israel just like you are trying to do right now idiot !
You like Israel waited for the UN to vote on it.
Sound familiar ?
45charIeston 2 days ago
@hinginana
Again, please google the info. Hamas and Hezbollah operated out of civilian locations. That's not a matter of opinion.
Yes, I rely on news media, a variety of them. I wasn't on the ground there during those wars. I imagine you're in the same boat.
blue222blue 2 days ago
@blue222blue So you say. How do we know its true? We hear different reports from the Palestinian side. For all we know its the Mossad that's rigging rockets to justify a continuing occupation. Bottom line Israel is relying on the US's automatic support of Israel, and not actual international law. UN states the Isreali occupation of Palestine is illegal.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@Tressiensia "For all we know its the Mossad that's rigging rockets to justify a continuing occupation." Really? I'd like you to prove this. Where did this information come from?
DelusionalParanoiia 1 day ago
@blue222blue Since you have a strictly controlled state run media, we here in the US with objective views dont automatically bye into those reports. In fact independent reports by humanitarian groups on the Palestinian side seems much more believeable.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
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PLO 1977:
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. “
blue222blue 2 days ago
What you said is illogic, how can someone get beaten all the time without doing any reaction? Plus, you cant gain dignity and honor from compassion, dying with honor is better than living in humilation. Plus, the Palestinians have been fucked up since ever, and not ONE damn country stood up for them, and now, when they stand up to defend their rights you call them terrorists and you ask them to "take it as a man"? What would you do if it happens to you country Turkey? Would you sit on your ass?
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
'Plus, you cant gain dignity and honor from compassion, dying with honor is better than living in humilation.'
That is the true cause of the suffering in Palestine. Arab pride.
blue222blue 2 days ago
@blue222blue Did your own people suffer? If you jewish, you must at least know what your grandparents used to face during the Nazi period, you must at least respect these sufferings and not make fun of it, imagine how you'll feel if someday, a rocket fell on your house and killed your children, mother, or sister. Would you like someone to make fun of you, I am supposedly you enemy as you might think, but I will never do what your doing. Laughing at mothers wining their dead children is not cool.
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
I Was worth 50 Sheep the story of a brave girl Sabere and her struggle for life. Through the prism of her family this heart-rending film brings the tragedy that is Afghanistan vividly to life. She, has a price on her head. When she was just ten years old she was sold to a man forty years her senior. After seven years of confinement and abuse she escaped to find temporary refuge in a women's sanctuary. again has a price on her head as her husband will kill her on sight.
45charIeston 2 days ago
@45charIeston BTW, when you curse Arabs, your cursing Jews, because many Jews have Arabic origins, so, the conclusion, YOU ARE IGNORANT. Arab=Raice Judaism=Religion Sons of Israel=Sons of Isac= 12 Tribes of Isreal= Kanaanits= Semitics... Arabs=Sons of Ishmail,,, so your actually cousins you stupid ignorant fuck.
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
"A rocket fired from a civilian area in Gaza towards civilian areas in Southern Israel. ... Overshot missiles hit the Jordanian city of Aqaba, killing one person and ... On 20 October, an accidental explosion occurred at a Hamas Qassam rocket .."
45charIeston 2 days ago
@hinginana
I don't make fun of suffering. I post here because I feel for the tragic suffering in Palestine, Jewish and Arab.
I make fun of evil terrorists who are enslaving their own people.
Arabs having been fighting Jewish immigration to Palestine and Israel for over 100 years. What has it gotten them?
Let Jews live unmolested on a relatively tiny patch of land and peace and prosperity will replace death and fear.
"Humiliation", letting Jews rule a few acres, is not worse than death.
blue222blue 2 days ago
@hinginana
Did you know your great Mujahideen hero Nasrallah has $250,000,000 in personal foreign bank accounts while his people suffer?
And here's a quote of his:
"If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."
What a hero! What a great man!
blue222blue 2 days ago
Can you please give me the sources of these quotes and the bank thing. Plus, I am aethist, not Muslim, and how was Israel legally founded? It was founded under the British occupation, how is that legal for you? I am not saying that the Israelis don't have the right to live there, I am totally with anyone chosing to live wherever they want, all I am saying is that, they have the right to live peacefully, but at the same time, they should leave others live peacefully, have you been into Israel?
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
If you google a bit you can easily find the sources on Nasrallah. If you can't find anything, let me know in a few days and I'll help. But it's all on the record.
The Ottoman empire lost WWI, and signed treaties relinquishing control of Palestine to the British. The British created the Palestine Mandate, dividing the area, most to Arabs, some to Jews. Later the UN created Israel based on that division. All legal.
blue222blue 2 days ago
@blue222blue the LEGAL israel according to the UN was the israel of 1960's, not todays israel
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
Well, I'm glad you admit that the nation of Israel is legal, even if you dispute current borders. Hamas, Hezbollah, and Fatah don't.
blue222blue 2 days ago
@blue222blue Israel is legal, but palestine is legal too, they should live in peace not kill each other, but at the same time, each one of us has his own view on whats happenning there, i also have israeli friends, half of my mothers family live in israel, i mentioned that i am half jewish before, Muslim father, Jewish mother, and both families have great peacefull relations, I am atheist, and I am totally against religions. I hope someday peace would come to the middle east
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana There is no such thing as legality when it comes to nations. Either they exist and/or are recognized by other nations or they aren't. e.g. Samalia is a recognized nation, but doesn't really exist as governmental entity while Samaliland exists as a government entity, but isn't recognized by any other nation.
hawkboy772042 2 days ago
@blue222blue What? They do dispute? Or they dont dispute?
Tressiensia 2 days ago
@Tressiensia
Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking. Could you please restate your question?
blue222blue 1 day ago
@hinginana
I agree 100% about live and let live. But Arabs attacked in 1948, 1967, 1973, Intifada I & II, West Bank suicide bombs, Gaza rockets... just to hit the highlights.
Israel defends. It's not the same thing.
I've never been to Israel, but I have Israel friends, and would like to visit some day. I also have Pakistani and Arab Muslim friends and acquaintances. None of them are haters.
blue222blue 2 days ago
@blue222blue That's why you need to respect, by giving rights and recognizing the state. You would feel the same way if people were occupying your land and had all the power to control you, and you were living at their mercy. You would probably want to die with honor too, at that point. You aren't on the receiving end of that, that is why you can make such statements.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
@hinginana You bring up some excellent points man.
Tressiensia 1 day ago
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In 26th of Sept.2006,the UN stated the Israel practice random killing against the Palestinians without any guilt or crime.
Its policy rely on killing Palestinians as much as they can to take their lands and building settlements.No humanitarian, no respecting for the international law,nothing that leads to a " descent " country.it shouldn't be counted as one!
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iShutEmUp 3 days ago
@DelusionalParanoiia Try telling that to the Palestinians being expelled from their homes, dumb ass.
iShutEmUp 3 days ago
The Palestinians have been taking hits for deckads and they have been losing land for even longer to the Israelis.
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iShutEmUp 3 days ago
@pmoyer50 So does Russia, China, India, and Turkey. And soon Iran. You zionist are comical. Land mass doesn't equate superpowers. If US had sent weapons and money to Iran for 50 years, they too would be a force. Israel's short existence had nothing to do with your god, unless you worship America as a deity. Where was all the blessings when Rome ruled Israel for nearly half a millennium? Where was all the blessings when the Muslims ruled it for over a 1200 yrs? You're a joke, dumb ass.
iShutEmUp 3 days ago
Israeli police just arrested two Hamas officials who had been hiding in the Red Cross building in Jerusalem for more than a year.
Typical cowardly Hamas behavior. The brave mujahideen always hang out in schools, hospitals, mosques, homes, and aid organizations, using innocents as human shields.
That's why there were high civilian casualties in Cast Lead. Those creeps could care less about ordinary "Palestinians".
Good job Israeli police!
blue222blue 4 days ago
Palestine's (whetever that is) and the Arab league's fault 100%.From the beginning even Jordan was supposed to be included as Israel by the Brittish, but was then changed to a land for the so called Palestinians who by the way can get citizenship in Israel,but in no Arab countries so that the Palestinian and Arab authorities can keep the genocidal pots vs Israel boiling. When the Ottoman empire was divided the only other group but Arabs who got land was the Jews.to every muslim 99% is too little
matereo 4 days ago
@matereo In 1959 the Arab league resolution no 1457 says "the Arab countries will not grant citizenship to aplicants of Palestinian origin in order to prevent assimilation into the host countries"... why don't anyone ever complain about the status of Palestinians in Arab countries? About their closed borders? About the Egyptian closed border towards Ghaza? Hear Fatah and Hamas on tv everyday do hate speak vs Jews, Christians, and other beliefs and openly promote massmurder. 100% IslamoNazi
matereo 4 days ago
To the victor belong the spoils of the enemy. Palestinians lost, Israel won, end of story.
obamasucks247 4 days ago
Stand by Israel, it's the fucking palestinian dogs who always start the violence. Israel should just kick their sorry asses to Jordan
obamasucks247 4 days ago
This guys got a point ... Both need to fix up but i have to say isreali's are terrorists!
missmillionmaker 4 days ago
For the record, I don't have any other accounts. Anyone with half a brain reading this thread can see the different styles and points of view of the posters.
It seems to be a huge surprise to some people that not everyone blames all the worlds ills on Jews. Imagine, two or three people who support Israel! LOL
I'm happy to be confused with the learned gentlemen Charleston and DelusionalParanoia, though.
blue222blue 4 days ago
@blue222blue careful, you 'accidentally' replied to the comments addressed to your other accounts as 'blue222blue'-
remember, when you reply as charleston or chariston, to always call people asshole and moron, before cutting & pasting your hate speech from your internet hate site, there's a good bigot
br0073012 4 days ago 3
@br0073012
I don't know what you're talking about. what accident?
blue222blue 4 days ago
Anybody who visits Jihadwatch will find that there is no hate there. It's a great site, with a humanitarian mission to advocate for civil rights of all people, including Muslims, who, by the way, are not a race.
I've asked the ignorant many times to quote something hateful from there. They never do, because it isn't there.
blue222blue 4 days ago
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob blesses Israel and the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob curses all those who intend her harm.
pmoyer50 5 days ago
3:45 "Terrorists" is under titled as "Arrow Grass" xD
blueboy921 5 days ago
the name "young turks" is stupid , ebcause the young turks murdered a lot..
blueboy921 5 days ago
no road blocks in Gaza but they still hate Jews, his argument fails big time.
AbuAvital 6 days ago
i really wish people like him would understand the conflict before spouting half truths
dotheredthingz 6 days ago
Palestine is wrong. Of course the Young Turks support Palestine the are muslims. Isrealies have been there thousands of years. Muslims are immigrants from Jordan that came up in the Ottomoon Empire.
Orthodox123456 6 days ago
@Orthodox123456 The Young Turks are agnostics. But, nice try. The whole world, besides America and Israel, knows Israel is in the wrong.
And the Canaanites(Palestinians) have been in the land of Canaan long before there was even a such thing as a 'Jew'.
Muslims do not equal Canaanites.
iShutEmUp 6 days ago
@iShutEmUp
According to the official UN Palmer Report the Israelis are right & Pal Arabs are wrong !
The Report states they are a clear danger to the Israelis & therefore are wrong !
Not a tough concept if you watch the devastation created by Islamics around the world daily murdering non Islamics !
Israel needs to get tougher !
Google Jihad Watch for full details of their treachery !
45charIeston 5 days ago
@45charIeston The UN Palmer Report ignorantly said Israel was right for attacking the humanitarian flotilla. Which a slew of other organizations, including the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said Israel was completely wrong.
But, that's non-sequitur; my point was the WORLD as a WHOLE says Israel is wrong. 67% of the countries of the world say Palestinians should be recognized as a state.
And don't pretend as if Christians and Jews are angels. You too have extremists.
iShutEmUp 5 days ago
@iShutEmUp Moron the Palmer report was right as far as Int Law is concerned !
San Remo Manual,the current law of blockades backs Israel's right to protect themselves from Gaza a hostile territory & to attack vessels trying to breach it !
The UN was ignorant of the law & that is why the commission the Palmer Report !Canada backs Israel as do other sane countries !
Most are as ignorant as you about Int Law !
45charIeston 5 days ago
@45charIeston No, it wasn't, dumb ass.
Israel is a psychopathic terrorist state, that's just bullying a poor defenseless country. That's why EVERY body, including factions of the UN, condemned Israel. Just look at all the resolutions having to do with the conflict. Almost all of them are filled with the UN condemning Israel.
The only one's here that are ignorant of international law and human rights is Israel and America.
iShutEmUp 5 days ago 2
@iShutEmUp
Resolutions are not enforceable unless signed by the Security council under Chpt 7 ! It is easy to get monkeys in suits to sponsor a resolution. 22 Arab states & some euro assholes countries !
Of course I am aware of Islamic treachery infesting the world just like Gaza.
As I have said this is not just an Israelis problem !
Morons like you make it clear that there are lots of insane idiots out there preaching hate shit.
Israel follows Int Law so live with it asshole !
45charIeston 4 days ago
@45charIeston Israel is a fucking insane nation, ran by dumb ass religious zealots. It's time will soon be up, so enjoy that psychopathic state while you can, ass-wipe.
iShutEmUp 3 days ago
@iShutEmUp I haven't got the time to wait on you asshole !
Israel did everything they could to protect you from hurting yourself. A nice wall, buffer zone & blockade, yet you continue to put yourself in harms way !
Even a rat knows when to change directions !
Notice how quiet things are in Gaza while they try to act civilized.
Proof that if they stop the rockets Israel has no reason to retaliate !
45charIeston 3 days ago
@45charIeston Then don't wait, Dummy. Stop replying.
iShutEmUp 3 days ago
@iShutEmUp
"And the Canaanites(Palestinians) have been in the land of Canaan long before there was even a such thing as a 'Jew'."
Hindus were in India thousands of years before the Muslim invaders.
By your logic Pakistan is an illegitimate state.
blue222blue 5 days ago
@blue222blue I guess it would be if India protested it.
But, I really don't give a damn because none of my politicians have enslaved themselves to Pakistan or India.
iShutEmUp 5 days ago
@iShutEmUp
Do you think the millions of Hindus who were forced from their ancestral homes in what is now Pakistan were happy about it? They protested all right. More than 1,000,000 died.
Maybe the world community can implement your logic. No more Israel in exchange for no more Pakistan.
But no one would accept that. It's not who was there first. It's who legally owns it now.
blue222blue 5 days ago
@blue222blue Well, they aren't doing it now. And regardless, it's not my damn problem. None of my government are supporting India or Pakistan unconditionally.
And it wasn't my 'logic' to begin with. I was rebutting @Orthodox123456 comment that Jews been in the land longer than Canaanites. Reading is fundamental.
And legally, the Palestinians own it. But, they are merciful and nice enough to share the land. Problem is; Israel's psychopathic government isn't willing to do the same.
iShutEmUp 5 days ago 2
@iShutEmUp
What does 67% think Gaza should be recognized as a state have to do with anything about Israel's right to defend ? I agree they should which means nothing !
It is no different than all the treacherous Islamic states like Syria, Libya etc !
All that is required is a defined territory & self government ! They of course now admit they are not occupied which the UN keeps saying it is. If it was it could not receive statehood & UN membership !
Another anti Israel UN voter
45charIeston 5 days ago
@45charIeston Going on offense, and then saying you were defending yourself is illogical. Secondly, I said nothing about Israel's 'right to defend'. I was talking about Israel not being interested in peace by continuing to build settlements.
All religious extremist art the same. Israel is in the same boat as Syria.
Palestinians say no such thing. The are occupied and the world knows it.
Israel should have never been made a state to begin with.
iShutEmUp 5 days ago 2
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@iShutEmUp
"Going on offense, and then saying you were defending yourself is illogical."
Not at all. A great offence is prerequisite to a great defence. Caste Lead is an example ! The preemptive strike by Israel against Arab troops amassing to attack them is another. In war , offence is logical defence !
After Caste Lead the Pal Arabs thought twice about attacking Israel but with all defective thinkers , it didn't last.
45charIeston 5 days ago 2
@45charIeston "A great offence is prerequisite to a great defence."
This isn't a fucking game. Innocent people are dying, and that psychopathic, right-wing, idiotic government of Israel is dragging Americans into their mess.
Only dumb ass, war mongers, like Bush and Israel, think that 'preemptive' strikes will bring about peace. Yeah, that's right; go around the world slapping people and throw a fit when they slap you back.
Fucking incompetent religious extremest.
iShutEmUp 4 days ago
@iShutEmUp
Jihad Watch is an internet hate site used by right wing islamaphobes, white supremacist trash such as char i ston, charLston ( 2 accounts i & l ) loons to spread misinformation and hatred of Islam, a skewed, one-sided, and inflammatory story that only helps to sow the seed of civilizational conflict.
The websites Spencer Watch and Loon Watch were founded in reaction to the Jihad Watch website.
idoIerner 4 days ago
@iShutEmUp
great points
blueballs, aka 45 chariston, charLston ( 2 accounts i & l ) aka Tom is a simple ignorant lying hate monger, he's a white supremacist who is too stupid to know that the white supremacist hate sites he cuts & pastes from also hate jews and catholics, as well as muslims
45iq's technique is simple, 'moron' 'asshole' followed by cut & paste from his favourite hate site, jihadwatch - for some reason he never cuts & pastes from jewwatch - it's mirror hate site
idoIerner 4 days ago
@idoIerner A zionist sheep copying and pasting from a propaganda website hell bent on bigotry?
How befitting....
iShutEmUp 4 days ago
@idoIerner
Talking about yourself andy ?
You have more accounts than any troll . YT keeps shutting you down !
Yes I can always tell when you are around, the smell of camel shit is intoxicating !
Play the thumbs up game as usual !
45charIeston 4 days ago
@idoIerner
I see the facts haven't changed !
Blockade still exists !
No legal actions against Israel !
UN backs Israel & sends aid through Israel.
No UN Peace Keepers
I know it is hard to swallow but Israel is winning & Arabs are still killing anything that moves that isn't Islamic & even their brother / sister Muslims!
I hope what ever Jews did to you hurt real bad !
Loser ! You Allah can't protect you !
45charIeston 4 days ago
@45charIeston
You're right about Arabs killing each other.
That is one of the big ironies of this conflict. If every inch of Israel was "liberated" and all the Jews moved to New Zealand, life for Palestinian Arabs would get worse, not better.
Without a common enemy, Hamas and Fatah would go back to killing each other, and the economy, such as it is, would plunge without the only free market economy in the region.
Israel is the best thing that ever happened to Palestine.
blue222blue 4 days ago
@blue222blue
You are absolutely right aswell !
It has never been about Jews & Israel. It is just another focal point for their treachery !
They butcher each other for the slightest reason.
One would have to be a moron not to see this !
To me Israel is the best thing that ever happened in the region.
The USA Dessert Storm is an example of the US coming to help Kuwait when Iraq invaded them & were heading to Saudi next. destroyed everything in their path until the US booted them
45charIeston 4 days ago
@iShutEmUp
Of course India accepts Pakistan. Not because it was right for Muslim invaders to conquer the land, populate it, and eventually secure a nation status by years of terrorism. But because India is rational and accepts reality as it is.
Arabs should give that a try. Accepting Israel would make the violence disappear.
blue222blue 5 days ago
@blue222blue Oh, you have no fucking clue about real history.
Newsflash, Palestinians have been trying to accept Israel as a state, but every time they try that incompetent, right-wing government of Israel just up the ante every time. Have you NOT been paying attention to the negotiations? Or are you just spewing whatever zionist propaganda that is feed to you like a dirty pig in a slop-trough?
Either way, Israel is losing support from Americans each day. They'll be done soon.
iShutEmUp 4 days ago
@iShutEmUp
Arabs in Palestine have been repeatedly offered a state, in spite of their 63 years of imperialist violence.
The don't have one for one simple reason: they openly declare that they will never accept the existence of Israel and they attack every chance they get.
blue222blue 4 days ago
@blue222blue
I should have said they've been offered a second state. They already have Jordan, of course.
blue222blue 4 days ago
@blue222blue LOL. You're fucking clueless. The Palestinians, time and time again agreed to accepting Israel as a state as long as Israel stop occupying them, stop building settlements, and go back to the 1967 borders.
Dumb ass zionist are the terrorists who won't accept such a peaceful negotiation.
iShutEmUp 3 days ago
@iShutEmUp
But the pre-1967 lines, which were never borders, are indefensible. Israel cannot accept that given the pledge of all major Palestinian officials to destroy Israel.
Of course you missed that because you want Israel destroyed.
Arabs invaded in 1967 and lost land when they lost that war. Tough for them. Stop invading if you don't want to lose land.
But
blue222blue 3 days ago
@blue222blue Well, the world, the UN, AND America are saying take your bigoted asses back to the 1967 borders. So, I don't give a damn what excuse you have for not doing so.
iShutEmUp 3 days ago
@iShutEmUp
It's not me, I'm not Israeli or Jewish.
The '67 lines were never borders.
Obviously you don't give a damn about the reason Israel can't, won't , and will never accept that as a border: it's indefensible.
That's not an excuse I made up, it's a military fact.
Once again your entire argument is maligning personal comments.
I noticed you didn't (read "couldn't") deal with the fact that Arabs lost land in '67 as a result of their imperialist aggression.
blue222blue 3 days ago
@iShutEmUp Oh, negotiations? You mean, when Israel removed ALL settlements from Gaza in It's 'unilateral disengagement plan' a MAJOR STEP TOWARDS PEACE, and Hamas/other militia groups responded very kindly by launching more than 8,000 rockets into Israel? That's some new way of making peace, very odd by the way, don't you think?
DelusionalParanoiia 4 days ago
@DelusionalParanoiia
Yes even Hamas admits that Gaza is not occupied. Israel removed all Israelis from Gaza in 2005.
Mind you that the admission is self serving while they seek statehood just like Israel did in 48.
Yes the UN voted on Israel's statehood just like Gaza is attempting now !
These hate mongers move their lips but only shit comes out
The UN Report backs Israel on the basis of Int Law (San Remo Manual 1994) commissioned by the Int Committee of the Red Cross
45charIeston 4 days ago
@DelusionalParanoiia They didn't remove ANY settlements for the Palestinians' land. They're still build settlements and still being condemned from the UN and USA for doing so.
iShutEmUp 3 days ago
@iShutEmUp
Asshole
"Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency."
Ma'an not a Zionist news agency.
Hamas has never agreed to the sate of Israel as much as you would like us to believe.
You are an ignorant LIAR !
45charIeston 3 days ago
@iShutEmUp "Palestinians have been trying to accept Israel as a state"
That's a joke right? So that's why the PA Mufti constatly says how jews are "apes and pigs" and how the great they will come, when all jews will be annihilated in Israel, when even ROCKS will tell where jews are hiding. Oh, poor "genocided" "palestinians".
DelusionalParanoiia 4 days ago
@DelusionalParanoiia The Mufti isn't the president of Palestine, so I really don't give a damn what he says. I could quote you plenty of zionists saying the same insults about Arabs and Muslims, so spare me.
Israel's incompetent leaders aren't interested in peace. If they were, they would go back to the 1967 borders and stay their asses there. But, they're terrorist so they would rather be extreme fundamentalist and torture the Palestinians instead.
iShutEmUp 3 days ago
@iShutEmUp There is a video response here about your "doubt" regarding Israel and the pre-1967 borders. No, they are not terrorists. All IDF incursions inside Gaza were retaliations against Hamas/militia groups launching Qassam Rockets into Israeli territory, from Op Rainbown in 2004 to Cast Lead in 2009. No one is torturing the "palestinians", they torture themselves by supporting terrorist groups, who only want death.
DelusionalParanoiia 3 days ago
@DelusionalParanoiia They are terrorists. And they have committed crimes against humanity time and time again. They aren't interested in peace, they just want to keep the Nazi agenda alive by torturing the poor Palestinians.
iShutEmUp 3 days ago
@iShutEmUp
If the Zionists stole the land & didn't buy it ,why does Hamas state that selling land to a Jew is punishable by death ? Pal Arabs who sold land to Jews in WB have fled for fear of being killed !
45charIeston 3 days ago 2
@45charIeston Arafat and the arabs sold palestine to the jews in return of money, but the palestinians who sold their lands sold it under the threat of death, and with very cheap price, so in reality, their land was stolen not sold.
hinginana 2 days ago
@hinginana
The original Zionists bought their land from eager Arab sellers at premium prices.
blue222blue 2 days ago
@hinginana
Of course that is your story ! The Arabs I listen to sold & hid from your gov't for fear of being killed for selling
I have never heard such asinine bullshit in my life
You people are heathens & would sell your daughters for a few sheep
You are just another dumb Arab that can't accept the truth !
45charIeston 2 days ago