we are making Greek cemeteries in Albania in honor of Greek soldiers that fought against Italy in our territory . the greek people can visit these cemeteries and pray for they grandfathers or fathers
Cams CANT cuz you never allowed to be built Albanian cemeteries in Chameria for the innocent Albanians slaughterd by greeks
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN AND CHILDRENS AND NOT ONLY THE MEN THAT YOU WANNA REPRESENT THEM AS NAZIS
Albanian ILLEGAL immigrants raise Albanian flags but we don't send them in jail!
40.000 Greeks DIED in Hoxza's consetration camps!
6000 MEN, WOMEN, and CHILDREN were buthered (and many more raped) by the Chams that were used NOT to work but to act like the Turkish LAP DOGS and gladdly betray Greece cooperating with the Germans and Italians! There is no room for snakes here!
The greatest pogroms against Albanian immigrants were made by Arvanites!
...that Fustanella is an Illyrian dress attested in many archeological findings through Illyria. Fustanella was used by Northern Albanians till XIX century as you can see from above pics of video. Just make a little search about Fustanella in You Tube and you will find endless proofs that Fustanella is wore even by Northern Albanians.
About Albanians and their first dating you seem again uninformed because this name is recorded firstly by Ptolemy the Geographer in II century A.C .
@ALBPelasgian Ptolemy spoke about a town in Illyria -Arbanon- and not a nation.
Fustanella was the evolvment of Doric Cheton and there is not a wonder that a similar fustanella was worned by the Tosks and by some Lampides that lived in the area known as "Nova Epirus"or"Illyria Graeca" on the contrary with the Gheks that were living in the ouscerts of New Epirus or in "Illyria Barbara" and DIDN'T wore a fustanella.
Your sources are not just outdated but surpassed and no serious scholar repeat it.
@zincwad That isn't a Greek fustanella but rather a "long shirt" with some pleats and even some Slavs worn that.
The root of the clothe is common, and came from cheton and the later podia of the Byzantine Greeks.
Fustanella NEVER worned neither by Gheqs nor by Kosovars and only in Toskja was weared in the Greek fashion.
Poia/Fustanella was noted in Alexiada of Anna Komnene and in Manuil Komnenos letter in 11th and 12th centuries respectivelly and it's not an Albanian loan or a "national dress"!
Instead of repeating the same things again and again as if it will come true, try to remember where the Fustanella came from, and that is the ancient Greek Chiton and Byzantine Podia.
The South Maceslavians and some Montenegrians wore Fustanella too, so what?
@IllyriPower There is no more point in discussion is it?
Repeating the Illyrian mythology of contemporary Albania isn't making anything true but making a fool out of yourself, prety much like Maceslavians baptized arbitrary everything as theirs, "Macedonizing" history, for the amuzement of the planet.
@IllyriPower Skai isn't Greek TV, its a Bildembergian chanel and this documanter was made by people (political chientists and no Greek historians) like Veremis that in the 80's were praizing Hoxza's regime!
The Academy of Athens called it a piece of propaganda and nothing more than half truths were heard in it.
You still (just like the propagandists of Skai) didn't answered, what did Greeks wore before?
Did we forget the Chiton and Podea and suddenly learn the fustaella by the Albanians?LOL
@IllyriPower The greatest emperors of Rome were Romans!
Greek and Romans wrote about Illyria Greca and Illyria Barbara that were easily Hellenized or Latinized and they were known only for their piracy and the mercenaries.
They themselves wrotte nothing and there is a lot of confusion and different theories about your name, culture and language.
It's soooo tiredsome to listen to 19th century moronic theories about Pelasgians that were ANATOLIANS and have nothing to do with "white" Albanians :)!
@IllyriPower "Since there are no Illyrian texts, sources for identifying Illyrian words have been identified by: inscriptions, glosses of Illyrian words in classical texts, names, toponyms, river names and Illyrian loanwords in other languages." Hans Krahe
Meaning guessing...
Pelasgians were the pre-Greeks and they originated from Anatolia when the proto-Greeks arrived from the North (Illyria?) 1900-1100 BC mixxed creating the Hellenic nation!
You are closest to the Dorians but not Pelasgians!
@IllyriPower What words? What the hell are you talking about, their language can be traced only in the same manner like the Illyrian, meaning guessing and in theory...
The proto-Greeks called all the pre-Greeks inhabitants of Greece as Pelasgians, and perhaps mean Sea People (Pelagos=sea).
One of the most common toponyms is the ending of their cities in sos or sa ex. Knosos,Larissa,Alicarnassos...
The Illyrian-Pelasgian 19th century theory is still circling the last 80 years only in Albania!
@serreosoo8 How can be that the proto-Greeks invaded from the "north of Epirus"(meaning Illyria) towards Pelasgic Greece mixx with them and amalgamate a new nation that still holds ellements of their language (we only guess it's them) and claim that you are the Pelasgians?
The closest language to ancient Greek were the Phrygian (when they were in Thrace called Bryges) and even Plato noticed that our languages were similars.
Why? Because they made the same amalgamate, "Indoeuropeans"-Pelasgians.
"Before the time of Hellen, son of Deucalion, ... the country went by the names of the different tribes, in particular of the Pelasgian. It was not till Hellen and his sons grew strong in Phthiotis, and were invited as allies into the other cities, that one by one they gradually acquired from the connection the name of Hellenes; though a long time elapsed before that name could fasten itself upon all."
Thucydides (the real father of scientific History)
@IllyriPower I would ask to give me the "amazing" words but you will post the 1854 stupid book of a diplomat and an "amateur" historian like a Maceslavian!
I tried to reason with you but you are so stupid that prefer to make a fool of yourself repeating garbage that no logic person that read at least a single historic article about what the hell you are talking about.
You win, Aristotle was right, stupidity is indefeatable!
Your kind ASHAMED Albania and give a bad name to all Albanians!
Thanks mate for info. I thought Fustanella was worn by Northern Albanians only in the past. But now everything become crystal clear that Fustanella is a typical Illyrian dress that is worn by their lineal descendants - ALBANIANS.
@ALBPelasgian It was modeled after the plate skirt Illyrians wore when going to war just as the plis was worn under a helmet.It spread through the Roman world before reaching Greece.
Buddy are you blind or what...I used exactly 6 quotes taken from first hand accounts written by European scholars. Noone of them is Albanian or pro-Albanian. Being quotes from 20th century does not discard their value because I have also many other proofs to corroborate it. I am not performing with a ridiculed theory but I am showing a theory that is maintained by majority of scholars.
Your acknowledge about Fustanella is vague too because you are not informed ... (continue)
Very true my friend:))
shiptarchina 4 months ago
we are making Greek cemeteries in Albania in honor of Greek soldiers that fought against Italy in our territory . the greek people can visit these cemeteries and pray for they grandfathers or fathers
Cams CANT cuz you never allowed to be built Albanian cemeteries in Chameria for the innocent Albanians slaughterd by greeks
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN AND CHILDRENS AND NOT ONLY THE MEN THAT YOU WANNA REPRESENT THEM AS NAZIS
IllyriPower 8 months ago
Bollano an other fucking bastards must respecte the laws of Albania
HE CANT RAISE THE GREEK FLAG IN HIMARA WHICH IS ALBANIAN LAND
he is minority and if we wanted to kill all greeks we would have done it in communist time BUT WE DIDNT
In greece are living more than 2 million Arvanites
THEY ARE ALBANIANS , YOU HAVE FROBIDDEN THEIR LANGUAGE
plus the Chams who were massacred by greeks and were forcibly removed from their homes, their property was stolen from Greek state
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower Now I saw your moronic arguements!
Albanian ILLEGAL immigrants raise Albanian flags but we don't send them in jail!
40.000 Greeks DIED in Hoxza's consetration camps!
6000 MEN, WOMEN, and CHILDREN were buthered (and many more raped) by the Chams that were used NOT to work but to act like the Turkish LAP DOGS and gladdly betray Greece cooperating with the Germans and Italians! There is no room for snakes here!
The greatest pogroms against Albanian immigrants were made by Arvanites!
serreosoo8 8 months ago
Thank you albpelasgian
ghegntosk 10 months ago
@IllyriansBlood Ancient Greeks never worne chitons...
Nor Medieval Greeks Podeas....
We aren't actually Greeks but Albanian Pelasgians...
Greeks never lived in Epirus (Vetus or Nova)...
Never Hellenized Epirus Nova a.k.a. Illyria Graeca (ALBANIA)...
Nooo only Tosks migrated to Greece and all Greeks immitate them!
I heard all kind of nonesense!
As Hitler said "I never read something to learn but to find evidence for what I already believe" so what's the poind for discussion when you act like?
serreosoo8 1 year ago
...that Fustanella is an Illyrian dress attested in many archeological findings through Illyria. Fustanella was used by Northern Albanians till XIX century as you can see from above pics of video. Just make a little search about Fustanella in You Tube and you will find endless proofs that Fustanella is wore even by Northern Albanians.
About Albanians and their first dating you seem again uninformed because this name is recorded firstly by Ptolemy the Geographer in II century A.C .
ALBPelasgian 1 year ago
@ALBPelasgian Ptolemy spoke about a town in Illyria -Arbanon- and not a nation.
Fustanella was the evolvment of Doric Cheton and there is not a wonder that a similar fustanella was worned by the Tosks and by some Lampides that lived in the area known as "Nova Epirus"or"Illyria Graeca" on the contrary with the Gheks that were living in the ouscerts of New Epirus or in "Illyria Barbara" and DIDN'T wore a fustanella.
Your sources are not just outdated but surpassed and no serious scholar repeat it.
serreosoo8 1 year ago
@serreosoo8 Not true.
In Dalmatia and even in the Raska region of Serbia fustanella is worn by the inhabitants who are largely of Albanian decent.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad That isn't a Greek fustanella but rather a "long shirt" with some pleats and even some Slavs worn that.
The root of the clothe is common, and came from cheton and the later podia of the Byzantine Greeks.
Fustanella NEVER worned neither by Gheqs nor by Kosovars and only in Toskja was weared in the Greek fashion.
Poia/Fustanella was noted in Alexiada of Anna Komnene and in Manuil Komnenos letter in 11th and 12th centuries respectivelly and it's not an Albanian loan or a "national dress"!
serreosoo8 1 year ago
@serreosoo8 Fustanella is an Illyrian dress my dear greek friend . TOSK AND GEGH ALBANIANS USED IT !!
you can see the pictures of ROMANO - ILLYRIAN WARS - Illyrians warriors of North Illyria have FUSTANELLA !!
FUSTAN = DRESS IN ALBANIAN !
what mean FUSTAN IN GREEK ????????
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower Fustani=Dress in Greek!LOL
It's from the Latin, Fustaneum "pompeus dress",
Instead of repeating the same things again and again as if it will come true, try to remember where the Fustanella came from, and that is the ancient Greek Chiton and Byzantine Podia.
The South Maceslavians and some Montenegrians wore Fustanella too, so what?
Is that a "Slavic" national dress too?
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 no cuz they have Albanian roots , they were Illyrians and when slavs came here they were slavicized , FUSTANELLA IS ILLYRIAN DRESS !
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower There is no more point in discussion is it?
Repeating the Illyrian mythology of contemporary Albania isn't making anything true but making a fool out of yourself, prety much like Maceslavians baptized arbitrary everything as theirs, "Macedonizing" history, for the amuzement of the planet.
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 /watch?v=DKSS4-sQAkM <----- Greek TV about FUSTANELLA AND ARVANITES
we are not FYROMONKEYS !!! we are saying the TRUTH
Montenegrins were Illyrians , they are Slavicized Illyrians just like Bosnians and half of Croatian people ( especially Dalmatian )
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower Skai isn't Greek TV, its a Bildembergian chanel and this documanter was made by people (political chientists and no Greek historians) like Veremis that in the 80's were praizing Hoxza's regime!
The Academy of Athens called it a piece of propaganda and nothing more than half truths were heard in it.
You still (just like the propagandists of Skai) didn't answered, what did Greeks wore before?
Did we forget the Chiton and Podea and suddenly learn the fustaella by the Albanians?LOL
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 Skai its a Greek TV . they showed the TRUTH that your ATHENS never will show
you didnt recognized minorities in Greece , the only country in the world
Fustanella was used by Illyrians . I didnt know and i never saw a statue or a picture of ancient greeks with fustanella
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower Greek TV says the truth?LOL
We will recognise a minority when Greek citizents demand it and not few serpents or a foreign state that ignores the Corfu Protocol.
You will speak again about minorities when you stop enprisoning Greeks like Bollanos,Ditsos,Korovesis etc and stop killing us like Aristotelis Goumas.
The Illyrians is an obscure tribe that disapeared in 8th century living NOTHING!
If Greeks and Romans didn't comment on them we wouldn't know their existence!LOL
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 Illyrians were a great people and everybody wrote about them
Ancient Greeks and Romans
the greatest Emperor of Rome were Illyrians
Illyrians didnt disapeared in 8th century
Illyrians are Living in the balkan and will live here until the end of the world
THEY ARE THE ALBANIANS ;)
they left some traces of their language that why we can translate their words in our language
we can translate even the words of Pelasgians . YOU CANT ;)
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower The greatest emperors of Rome were Romans!
Greek and Romans wrote about Illyria Greca and Illyria Barbara that were easily Hellenized or Latinized and they were known only for their piracy and the mercenaries.
They themselves wrotte nothing and there is a lot of confusion and different theories about your name, culture and language.
It's soooo tiredsome to listen to 19th century moronic theories about Pelasgians that were ANATOLIANS and have nothing to do with "white" Albanians :)!
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 2 great Roman emperors were ROMANS -Caesare and Augustus and they have studied in ALBANIA
the others Great Emperors were ILLYRIANS
They have wrote , we have some scriptures , thats why we can translate their words ,stupid
we can translate their words , the words of Pelasgians ;)
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower "Since there are no Illyrian texts, sources for identifying Illyrian words have been identified by: inscriptions, glosses of Illyrian words in classical texts, names, toponyms, river names and Illyrian loanwords in other languages." Hans Krahe
Meaning guessing...
Pelasgians were the pre-Greeks and they originated from Anatolia when the proto-Greeks arrived from the North (Illyria?) 1900-1100 BC mixxed creating the Hellenic nation!
You are closest to the Dorians but not Pelasgians!
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 well , explain me that how can we translate the words of Illyrians if they didnt left traces of their languages ??????
Pelasgians were NON GREEK PEOPLE ;)
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower What words? What the hell are you talking about, their language can be traced only in the same manner like the Illyrian, meaning guessing and in theory...
The proto-Greeks called all the pre-Greeks inhabitants of Greece as Pelasgians, and perhaps mean Sea People (Pelagos=sea).
One of the most common toponyms is the ending of their cities in sos or sa ex. Knosos,Larissa,Alicarnassos...
The Illyrian-Pelasgian 19th century theory is still circling the last 80 years only in Albania!
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 How can be that the proto-Greeks invaded from the "north of Epirus"(meaning Illyria) towards Pelasgic Greece mixx with them and amalgamate a new nation that still holds ellements of their language (we only guess it's them) and claim that you are the Pelasgians?
The closest language to ancient Greek were the Phrygian (when they were in Thrace called Bryges) and even Plato noticed that our languages were similars.
Why? Because they made the same amalgamate, "Indoeuropeans"-Pelasgians.
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 if you are Pelasgians than why CANT you translate their words ??? ;) hehehehehe
PELASGIANS WERE NON GREEK PEOPLE
ANCIENT GREEKS HAVE SAID THAT
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower LFMAOO
"Before the time of Hellen, son of Deucalion, ... the country went by the names of the different tribes, in particular of the Pelasgian. It was not till Hellen and his sons grew strong in Phthiotis, and were invited as allies into the other cities, that one by one they gradually acquired from the connection the name of Hellenes; though a long time elapsed before that name could fasten itself upon all."
Thucydides (the real father of scientific History)
Pelasgians=Hellenes!
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 WHY CANT YOU TRANSLATE THEIR WORDS ????????
;)
PELASGIANS = NON GREEK PEOPLE !!
FACE IT !!!
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@IllyriPower I would ask to give me the "amazing" words but you will post the 1854 stupid book of a diplomat and an "amateur" historian like a Maceslavian!
I tried to reason with you but you are so stupid that prefer to make a fool of yourself repeating garbage that no logic person that read at least a single historic article about what the hell you are talking about.
You win, Aristotle was right, stupidity is indefeatable!
Your kind ASHAMED Albania and give a bad name to all Albanians!
serreosoo8 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 sorry gipsy but 40.000 greeks died in your country , maybe !
in Albania the number of all DEMOCRAT ALBANIANS IS LOWER THAN 20.000
THATS WHY WE HATE YOU , CUZ YOU ARE L I A R S
the best liars of the world .
Nobody killed , slaughtered or raped greeks in Albania
Albanian illegal immigrants rasie the albanian flag in greece ?????? where ?????
they were claiming Greece as their territory ??? i dont think so
Bollano is claiming that HIMARA IS GREEK LAND
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 TELL ME WHY CANT YOU TRANSLATE THE WORDS OF PELASGIANS IF YOU ARE THEIR DESCENDANTS ???????
there are many Historians who said that THE WORDS OF PELASGIANS CAN BE TRANSLATED ONLY IN ALBANIAN LANGUAGE
FACE IT
PELASGIANS - NON GREEK PEOPLE
EPIROTANS - NON GREEK PEOPLE
ITS NOT MY FAULT THAT YOU CANT ACCEPT THE TRUTH
YOU ARE A TYPICAL GREEK
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@serreosoo8 Arvanites were BRAINWASHED by your evil church
ALBANIANS ARE ALBANIANS
i'm not giving a bad name to Albanian Nation or to my compatriots
we know who we are
IllyriPower 8 months ago
@ALBPelasgian It is still common as a regional dress in Ulqini,Ana Malit, and Tuzi area
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad
Thanks mate for info. I thought Fustanella was worn by Northern Albanians only in the past. But now everything become crystal clear that Fustanella is a typical Illyrian dress that is worn by their lineal descendants - ALBANIANS.
ALBPelasgian 1 year ago 2
@ALBPelasgian It was modeled after the plate skirt Illyrians wore when going to war just as the plis was worn under a helmet.It spread through the Roman world before reaching Greece.
zincwad 1 year ago
Buddy are you blind or what...I used exactly 6 quotes taken from first hand accounts written by European scholars. Noone of them is Albanian or pro-Albanian. Being quotes from 20th century does not discard their value because I have also many other proofs to corroborate it. I am not performing with a ridiculed theory but I am showing a theory that is maintained by majority of scholars.
Your acknowledge about Fustanella is vague too because you are not informed ... (continue)
ALBPelasgian 1 year ago
Thank God you manage to found 2 quotes of the 20th century (1909 and 1918) to suport the already ridiculed theories you suport.
By the way the Greek fustaneles (worn in Thessaly,Epirus,Morea and Rumeli) are dinstict and only the Tosks of South Albania worn them too.
I wonder why....
We lived together for God knows how many centuries, and yet your first written monument dates back to just the 15th century!
First time the name Albania was heard in 1043!
How the Hell are you possing as Pelasgians?
serreosoo8 1 year ago