You gotta remember that the Harrier Battle in the bridge was cut out because of 9/11. Originally there was an scene where Arsenal Gear would crash over Manhattan, but we only see the aftermath.
Also and very important, as Solidus is falling from the top of Federal Hall, if everyone notices, he reaches out to emptiness, However in the original draft, Solidus was reaching for the American flag.. look at the video again.. and you'll see
@ae86takumi This video has the part I am talking about.. Solidus reaches for the flag and also as Raiden swings the HF blade at the end, the flag drops on Solidus... very epic.. why did they take it out?
it seems like this would of been too similar to mgs1, if they kept it this way.... and the whole thing took place on the tanker.... tbh the way it ended up is alot better....
It would have been alright if we were never exposed to these sequences, but NOO of course they had to put them in CUTSCENES IN THE GAME AS IF TO SLAP US IN THE FACE WITH THE FACT THAT WE MISSED OUT!!
Instead of "removed parts", I'd call this "an elaborate decoy on Kojima's part" [to trick players while working on something completely different all the time].
DUDE! Why did Kojima cut all that out? All that was shown in this video would have been EPIC. I can see the bridge being totally destroyed after you beat the harrier, and running from the water in the sinking tanker, and either trying to escape from Metal Gear Ray or fighting it on the tanker. All that would have been awesome.
WHY WHHHHHY KOJIMA?!?! WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE SNAKE THE MAIN CHARACTER IN MGS2??????????? WHY RAIDEN?!?! HE SUUUUUUUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL SOLID SNAKE FANS AGREE!!! I WANT A REAL SEQUEL TO MGS1 WITH SOLID SNAKE AS MAIN CHARACTER!!!! IT'S NOT TO LATE!! MAKE A REAL SEQUEL TO MGS1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa it was actually supposed to go THROUGH the statue of liberty, and then crash into manhatten. lol which, just gives it all the more reason to be cut unfortunatly.
@jessuss91 Most of it never got past the planning stage, with the exceptions being this alternate ending to the Tanker chapter and a shot of a destroyed Statue of Liberty with no audio. So, sadly, we most likely will never see things like Manhattan being destroyed or the cut Dead Cell member Chinaman.
MGS HD COLLECTION REMAKE!!! Can't wait, even with Raiden MGS2 was still an epic game, however... I'm mostly looking forward to MGS3 and Peace Walker on Ps3 :D
@filipeflower I dunno o.o I would like to play it for the story, but if it was ported to consoles they would probably have to do more than polish the graphics for people to accept it =P
It was always really dramatic where Snake's on the deck, firing away with a FAMAS, and the rain coming down. And then when we go the game, nothing like that was in there.
they should release on psn with all the stuff they took out of it put back in!! still a great game tho, i just wish we got to play as snake for a bit longer,
@Colonel1181 True that and they even cut out the twint towers from background so they wouldn't get trouble after gamerelease, but still though you can see them on substance's documentary disc when you take like the very last cutscene, stop it and put the camerastyle on free mode. That is a very interesting thing that they put a free mode camera in the game. you can see all kinds of small details
Metal Gear Solid ist die beste Videospielserie die es gibt! Da kam nie was ran, da kommt zur Zeit nix ran und da wird auch nie was rankommen. Warum?
Weil die Charaktere Namen und Gefühle haben und nicht ständig die "Obercoole Amirikakeule" schwingen. MGS ist so genial mit relen Fakten verknüpft das man echt Gänsehaut bekommt. Es ist nicht nur ein Spiel, es ist eine Legende mit mehr emotionalen Momenten als es in allen anderen Videogames zusammen gibt! Over and out.
@SolidMike you could consider raiden all these things ( a good liquid technically snakes knefu/brother so y everyone hates raiden cause they are butt hurt haters and no one cares for there opinion and then they all wanted to play with raiden on mgs4 but do to all the hate there even madder cause they truly got a middle finger this time) I love how Hideo Kojima handles haters XD
they got us all hyped all us mgs fans were like "YEA MORE SOLID SNAKE EPICNESS!" then when we got the game we were like "HOLY SHIT THIS IS COOL!" then the tanker stage ended with solid snake dying we were like "wtf....." then when we had to play through the rest of the game as raiden we were like "WTF!!!!!" and thats our response to mgs2
if sony and konami ever do a god of war style collection on the ps3, i want the whole of MGS2, Arsenal gear crashing into new york and all, and we know how konami likes to repackage things (which here would be a good thing), so get on it!!
wow this game would be much deeper if 9/11 never happened. well you cant change the past, but the future, its up to you. why do i say that?? bc obama should try to actually acknowledge the taliban and the other terrorists bc its not just america the terrorists r attacking (selfish fucking americans) it is everywhere (except east asia they seem pretty untouched). now im sayin obama sould do sumthin bc bush's term is over and its up to obama now for what happens in America's future.
@VideoGameGod64 Actually, I felt the game was much deeper BECAUSE of 9/11. I played the game for the first time in November 01 and the themes in the game felt very relevant to what was happening at the time. Because of it, the game started to feel really ...real.
I love this game to this day, also i would like to play again the tanker part in scenario from first MGS2 trailer where Snake escape form sinking ship, shooting terrorist with Famas and trying to stop Metal Gear Ray, that would be more awesome than the original. For the plant chapter besides original Raiden story they should add Snake story side on Big Shell, all of that what happened to him during Raiden mission
I can't understand why they had to edit the ending of MGS2, however I wish it had been included. I think it would have brought the game closer to reality in a way.
I agree MGS2 could have been better, Raiden was and still is annoying, but something about MGS games is that I can play them OVER and OVER again. When I first got MGS3 (my fave of the 3) I played it probably several times in a row. The realness and the switch to jungle from urban was great.
I just bought the essentials pack (first 3 (2 and 3 subs. versions)) for 20 bucks!!! I'm replaying them all again haha, all i need is twin snakes and vr missions :D
Actually this game has went through a lot more changes then just those. The original plot was 100% different and you would have played as Snake the entire time. It wasn't going to be in New York and the entire Plant Chapter was cut out and had something else in its place.
In the "Making Of" Kojima says they removed these parts because they were not any fun or added anything to the storytelling.
I think it was because they were running short of space on disc, since they were restrained by the 4.7 GB storage limit on a single DVD. Maybe back then the DVD9 DL disks were not a standard.
But it's weird. The re-edition, Substance, does come with a DVD9 disk and a DVD5 one. They had plenty of space then, but didn't add these missing parts.
@badkiller2 actually the best vr werent in mgs1 it was sold seperatley in mgs vr missions besides compared to the mgs1 vr missions these are better i mean coustumes character switch theater and vr which is awsome
@badkiller2 well thats different u should said as in classic and u shoulda said the separate disc one god i love that vr i thought the genola and mystery missions were awsome such a classic :)
@jasonbladex Mystery mssions were awesome lol! Especially the last one in which you are in an office where there was murder lol! They shud make those again!.
@badkiller2 lol yea its just too bad that mg rising wont have snake playable and prob wont have vr like mgs4 nona that virtual range crap, but maybe if the fanbase grows big enough kojima can bring back an old favorite
@badkiller2 yea but then mgs3 and portable ops couldn't have vr because of the time period but since peace walker is the closest to the original metal gears and mgs1 there may be hope
@badkiller2 What are you talking about, the only good thing about MGS3 S was the 3D camera implemented, and the MSX games. MGS2 S was a great add on that made MGS2 useless, it's like only 2 dollars used now, while MGS2 S is 10 used.
It had the whole game, PLUS tons and tons of VR missions, First Person (PC), Skateboarding (PS2), Theater with switch Characters (Snake vs Snake is always awesome) Snake Tales, plus bonus disc with Cut scene flycam mode, and documentaries and much much more.
@badkiller2, yes but they were not greater then what came with the MGS2 S version. The replay value of MGS2 S is much greater. Plus MGS3 played through a lot faster then number 2, but still number 3 is my favorite.
I was disappointed by what little different MGS3 S version was to MGS2, but the 3D camera was a HUGE plus, I really wish MGS2 would have it because after playing 3 to 2 it's annoying not being able to control it.
@sk8dudejames Dude, The first time I played MGS3, it took me 26 hours to finish it. it was my first MGS, so I was still a newbie. Soon after that, I played MGS2. took me 12 hours, and that's also after running back and forth alot and messing around. How exactly is MGS3 shorter than MGS2?. The jungles in MGS3 were very confusing at times, just like a real jungle, and the structure of the areas were quite complicated. Thou maybe i'm just a Big Boss junkie lol ^^!.
@badkiller2 thats probably why then since it was your first time. I have played through MGS3 in a little less then 6 hours with no alerts (wanted to get stealth camo :D )
Both have backtracking but for the most part are linear. I mean they reuse the beginning area twice and the last building twice. And the bosses being easier made it a lot shorter.
Plus the ending fight wasn't as great with MGS2 and 1. I mean in number 2 you took on dozens of anti metal gears then solidus. Shagohod (spelling?) was shoot it a few times, and vulcan was EASY. Plus no button mashing torture scene made it easier to get through, I mean it could have had more intense boss fights, The Boss's final fight was also just CQC spam, but that is why I loved MGS3, the CQC :)
These things made it funner, not so much harder...
@badkiller2 The End was incredibly easy, probably the easiest besides Ocelot. You can either kill him by old age (set playstation time ahead a week), kill him before hand when you arrive at the structure, or just let him capture you...
He was easy all you had to do was use the parrot to find him, stun him put on thermal goggles and follow him till he is at his end. None of the boss scenes were really nut buster hard. Plus once you reached Ocelot the bosses came every 5 mins...
@mpmcufc666 IIRC, they cut the tanker escape section because even though it seemed dramatic in concept, the actual segment they had designed was really kind of boring to play.
when i finished the game i felt that kojima was playing a big prank on me....snake was even on the cover and yet the main character was that fag raiden,he doesn't even have a dick for christ sake.shinkawas drawings of raiden look really cool but the interpretation was a failure...mgs2 sucked big time,apart from the boat incident
ALOT BIGGER, 1 hour to complete it, he could have made it so much longer and added in areas, where you could fight bosses.
The Tanker looks bigger on the outside, it really did look long enough to make into a MGS game but instead kojima thought of making Raiden and the PLANT! When he could have added more to Tanker.
It really did look gigantic. I remember a magazine with beta images like before he thought about adding Raiden.
And we all know what happened to MGS, after we found out you played as Raiden for most of the game, Kojima got backlashed badly by the outcome.
Him keeping Raiden a secret not only pissed fans off majorly but he got the heat to the point, where he made Big Boss look like Solid Snake in MGS3 and why you play as SS in MGS4.
Not a smart move, especcially since he got bad heat from people. Worst secret, which nearly destroyed MGS.
Also the Tankar level could have been alot longer, I mean
konami never does remakes or adds in stuff for the consumer, only bullshit crap to get more money, 1 year and 8 months later MGS4 fanboys are still waiting for the trophy patch
@gninja92 They did a remake on MGS1 actually, they released it on Gamecube and it's called MGS: Twin Snakes i think... wasnt a complete remake though, they added some new moves and stuff... Better then the original imo! =)
i wish they would remake the orginal metal gear game and its sequel metal gear 2 :solid snake on the ps3 combined and name it metal gear solid:the beggining :)
the devs agreed that the escape from the explosions and cascading water wouldve been too difficult to perform, and it wouldnt have fitted in (even though it wouldve been awesome :>).
the part about the harrier looked the best for me. so wat if it as difficult to perform, its also difficult to justify $50 fora game, wen i could feed my whole family for 2 weeks witht hat money.
difficulty is no excuse,
not fit it? so put in a second disc, MGS1 was on 2 discs, does no one remember that anymore?
Man, I'm kinda pissed now lol after seeing this. I've never seen this footage..well, I've seen this trailer plenty of times, but not the beta footage of snake fighting the harrier and stuff. These scenes would have been awesome as hell in the game..
The Harrier fight on the bridge was never actually planned to be in the game. It's inclusion here in this trailer was to show there would be a Harrier fight. The reason it's shown like this was to keep the Big Shell and Raiden a secret.
@Kitamora NO, Actually it was Removed Due to the 9/11 attacks that happen in 2001 when MGS4 was about to be realased,
One of the Kojima staff members said it in the MGS4 Bonus disk That they feared the american people would be offended by it, same thing happen whit the spiderman movie too
@Sonicku The sequences later in the game with Arsenal Gear crashing through Manhattan and the infamous scene with the Statue of Liberty were removed because of 9/11, but the Harrier battle on the bridge was never intended to be in the finished game.
@Kitamora its funny cause when mgs2 came it everyone was like raiden sucks! .now that they played mgs4 and seen the trailer for metal gear rising ..they dont dare diss him anymore!
What are you talking about dudes? I've played this last part Alternate ending sequence on MGS2 Substance you just have to NOT KILL Bosses but insted Shock them with M9 ... etc.. and next time when you will be playing ending with Snake will be diferent ...
M4 they just used famas on MGS1 bcuz the PS1 cant render a good geometry like the 2 so it uses a less geometric appeling weapon if they use a M4 and look of that distance the camera shows it would be a geometric disaster
You make so little sense its not even funny to rummage trough it too much.
The FAMAS is a beautiful weapon and as capable as any other. Plus it uses STANAG mags (the very same mags as the M4/16) and Nato rounds (5.56x45mm, again the very same rounds as the M4/16).
You are simply biased agaisn't the weapon and try to justify it trough senseless excuses of technicalities.
Same! I mean, it's kind of a small detail, but when you're a big fan you just want to know everything there is to know. You could assume that RAY simply used some sort of jet engine to move underwater and you'd probably be right, but then we see this and realize that it actually uses a form of articulated fins to propel itself. Just goes to show how much thought and detail Kojima and his team put into their work.
actually , there are many beta version that you can see in the MGS2.
If you pay attention to the cutscene where Pliskin was telling Snake is dead , there is a video where snake is escaping from the tanker , and Snake weapon in tanker Famas was remove.
Not only that , in cutscene where Ocelot was explaining that every rookie can become ultimate soldier like Snake / S3 plan , there's a cutscene where Snake is in the ifiltraring the Big Shell and Battling Fortune but was remove.
I understand why it needed to be removed, MGS2 would have been all over Fox News and every post-9/11 patriotic fad-follower would have held public burnings of MGS2 or something.
Artistically, though, I think it might have heightened the emotional impact of the game, and made it frighteningly real.
If it were a painting or a book, no one would have cared. It's just too bad how seldom people are willing to consider games to be art.
MexicanSeadude , can you do me a favour and make a video of you showing of the fa-mas in the demo , would like to see how it works considering it was removed from mgs2 :(
we all wanted the FAMAS in MGS2 and MGS4. If it makes you feel better, there's a grenade lancher in one of the communication towers when you revisit Shadow Moses in MGS4 that's shaped simular to a FAMAS.
:'(
JefteNintendoNerd 3 weeks ago
sadly they removed all the epic cool stuff because of 911, thats what i heard
xSnake91x 4 weeks ago
@xSnake91x True. We were supposed to see Arsenal crashing on Manhattan, but 9/11.
MatheusBond 3 weeks ago
You gotta remember that the Harrier Battle in the bridge was cut out because of 9/11. Originally there was an scene where Arsenal Gear would crash over Manhattan, but we only see the aftermath.
Also and very important, as Solidus is falling from the top of Federal Hall, if everyone notices, he reaches out to emptiness, However in the original draft, Solidus was reaching for the American flag.. look at the video again.. and you'll see
ae86takumi 1 month ago
@ae86takumi This video has the part I am talking about.. Solidus reaches for the flag and also as Raiden swings the HF blade at the end, the flag drops on Solidus... very epic.. why did they take it out?
watch?v=nEU1Yliz59c
ae86takumi 1 month ago
They shoulda kept this in the regular game so we couldve got more play time as snake and not that wimpy bitch raiden.
TheRandomSqueak 1 month ago
i have the HD COLLECTION FOR XBOX 360 and it looks great, so nostalgia playing again this awsome game
nayotapia 1 month ago
it seems like this would of been too similar to mgs1, if they kept it this way.... and the whole thing took place on the tanker.... tbh the way it ended up is alot better....
DaRkLoRd1061 2 months ago
damn they cut a whole fucking boss fight from wat we seen here. thats a lot of shit they cut out.
sparda9060 3 months ago
@sparda9060 ummm you still fight mg ray......
downwiththemaster 2 months ago
@downwiththemaster
i'm tlaking about the boss fight when you playing as snake during the tanker mission. not the big shell incident with Raiden.
sparda9060 2 months ago
It would have been alright if we were never exposed to these sequences, but NOO of course they had to put them in CUTSCENES IN THE GAME AS IF TO SLAP US IN THE FACE WITH THE FACT THAT WE MISSED OUT!!
LibertyCityMayhem95 3 months ago
why kojima , why did you took this away from us ?
everything in this video is awesome and you fucked up hard this time !!!!
theNerdGamer88 4 months ago
RIP FAMAS you had your moments in the trailers ;(
fkualol 5 months ago
DAMN YOU OSAMA BINLADEN! Because of you most parts of this game got cut. ¬¬"
SammEater 5 months ago
another reason to hate terrorists
Kranman1000 5 months ago
Instead of "removed parts", I'd call this "an elaborate decoy on Kojima's part" [to trick players while working on something completely different all the time].
Holothurion 5 months ago
DUDE! Why did Kojima cut all that out? All that was shown in this video would have been EPIC. I can see the bridge being totally destroyed after you beat the harrier, and running from the water in the sinking tanker, and either trying to escape from Metal Gear Ray or fighting it on the tanker. All that would have been awesome.
eraider60 6 months ago
@eraider60
They decided to cut it because of the 9/11.
SammEater 5 months ago
@SammEater Yeah, I know that now. >:(
P.S. the angry face isn't towards you.
eraider60 5 months ago
WHY WHHHHHY KOJIMA?!?! WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE SNAKE THE MAIN CHARACTER IN MGS2??????????? WHY RAIDEN?!?! HE SUUUUUUUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL SOLID SNAKE FANS AGREE!!! I WANT A REAL SEQUEL TO MGS1 WITH SOLID SNAKE AS MAIN CHARACTER!!!! IT'S NOT TO LATE!! MAKE A REAL SEQUEL TO MGS1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
N16HTW4LK3R24 6 months ago
what about the scene where arsenal gear crashes into manhatan?
you know, the one wich was cut out because of 9/11
aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa 6 months ago 3
@aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa it was actually supposed to go THROUGH the statue of liberty, and then crash into manhatten. lol which, just gives it all the more reason to be cut unfortunatly.
moonwalker19831 6 months ago
i wish Kojima can put the deleted scenes to the HD Collection
jessuss91 7 months ago in playlist Finales Alternativos 16
@jessuss91 Most of it never got past the planning stage, with the exceptions being this alternate ending to the Tanker chapter and a shot of a destroyed Statue of Liberty with no audio. So, sadly, we most likely will never see things like Manhattan being destroyed or the cut Dead Cell member Chinaman.
haseo18615 4 months ago
@jessuss91 It should be called "Metal Gear Solid 2: The Directors Cut"
nightmuffin937 1 month ago
MGS HD COLLECTION REMAKE!!! Can't wait, even with Raiden MGS2 was still an epic game, however... I'm mostly looking forward to MGS3 and Peace Walker on Ps3 :D
crazycat690 7 months ago 4
Why couldn't they make an HD version of 'Portable Ops' ?
filipeflower 6 months ago
@filipeflower I dunno o.o I would like to play it for the story, but if it was ported to consoles they would probably have to do more than polish the graphics for people to accept it =P
crazycat690 6 months ago
Oh, I get it...because it's called "Portable" Ops, right ?
filipeflower 6 months ago
@filipeflower haha could be^^
crazycat690 6 months ago
when i saw this in 2001 i was excited... but now that Raiden is now in the series i am not excited.... I like: BULLSHIT!
SSCode09 8 months ago 3
When this came out in 2001. I couldn't believe the graphics. its was AWESOME!!
joseph591 8 months ago
did i just heard a japanese guy say mutha ------?
Manuelle10 8 months ago 5
@filthpigcom Amen to that.
tltar253 10 months ago
damn i wish they had this shit in the game it would be swwweeeeeettttt!!!!!
sirdrinksalotable 10 months ago 3
hideo's crew are a bunch of sneaky bastards for slipping in raiden instead of snake
ThePaulvera 10 months ago
I heard there's another removed part where arsenal gear displaces the statue of liberty and crashes halfway through Manhattan.
PolkMoney863 11 months ago 2
It was always really dramatic where Snake's on the deck, firing away with a FAMAS, and the rain coming down. And then when we go the game, nothing like that was in there.
*sighs*
kentuckyfriedplus 11 months ago 3
they should release on psn with all the stuff they took out of it put back in!! still a great game tho, i just wish we got to play as snake for a bit longer,
DaRkLoRd1061 1 year ago
GUYS THIS IS BULLSHIT 9/11 happened way after this game was released ..it would have been nice to have these scenes in the game though
risingshadow10494 1 year ago
@risingshadow10494 sorry man but it came out on November 13, 2001 after 9/11. Why not do some reseach before talking crap.
Colonel1181 1 year ago
@Colonel1181 mah bad
risingshadow10494 1 year ago
@Colonel1181 True that and they even cut out the twint towers from background so they wouldn't get trouble after gamerelease, but still though you can see them on substance's documentary disc when you take like the very last cutscene, stop it and put the camerastyle on free mode. That is a very interesting thing that they put a free mode camera in the game. you can see all kinds of small details
uselessdave2 11 months ago
That water scene should've been there
NTom92 1 year ago
otacon (on codec while snake runs away from water and explosions): Snake! don't look back! just run like you've never ran before!
man i sure would love those parts to be included in the game... :(
N6600 1 year ago
It's a shame that they removed the scene which included running away from the water gushing into the ship.
Nekkx 1 year ago
if 9/11 never happened they put this parts but those bastard terrorist have to crash a plane if those parts were put in we have all happy even hitler
Skull0fR0ckS123 1 year ago
this looks bad ass!!! i wish they didnt have to removed these parts
soydelawhitecity1 1 year ago
Metal Gear Solid ist die beste Videospielserie die es gibt! Da kam nie was ran, da kommt zur Zeit nix ran und da wird auch nie was rankommen. Warum?
Weil die Charaktere Namen und Gefühle haben und nicht ständig die "Obercoole Amirikakeule" schwingen. MGS ist so genial mit relen Fakten verknüpft das man echt Gänsehaut bekommt. Es ist nicht nur ein Spiel, es ist eine Legende mit mehr emotionalen Momenten als es in allen anderen Videogames zusammen gibt! Over and out.
KingKKevinKev 1 year ago
Otacon, we've got a problem!
Whats wrong snake?!
Hideo kojima is going to pull a fast one..
What snake?
None of this will be in the actual game, and some nancy boy will be taking my place! it would basically be a gigantic middle finger to all MGS fans!
Well at least you have your youth snake!
SolidMike 1 year ago 26
@SolidMike you could consider raiden all these things ( a good liquid technically snakes knefu/brother so y everyone hates raiden cause they are butt hurt haters and no one cares for there opinion and then they all wanted to play with raiden on mgs4 but do to all the hate there even madder cause they truly got a middle finger this time) I love how Hideo Kojima handles haters XD
Naruto491multigamer 2 months ago
i wish MGS2 HAD THIS. SO WE WOULD'NT DO THROUGH THE PICTURE PART WHERE WE NEED TO TAKE PICS OF Metal Gear Ray
SSCode09 1 year ago
they got us all hyped all us mgs fans were like "YEA MORE SOLID SNAKE EPICNESS!" then when we got the game we were like "HOLY SHIT THIS IS COOL!" then the tanker stage ended with solid snake dying we were like "wtf....." then when we had to play through the rest of the game as raiden we were like "WTF!!!!!" and thats our response to mgs2
VideoGameGod64 1 year ago
wow !!!
cs9hikari 1 year ago
Snake Boss Fuck You Raiden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Straznik93 1 year ago
it wouldve been nice to shoot your way out of the tanker and have the gameplay stop when Ray jumps from the ship
staind915 1 year ago
if sony and konami ever do a god of war style collection on the ps3, i want the whole of MGS2, Arsenal gear crashing into new york and all, and we know how konami likes to repackage things (which here would be a good thing), so get on it!!
dethdealr 1 year ago
wow this game would be much deeper if 9/11 never happened. well you cant change the past, but the future, its up to you. why do i say that?? bc obama should try to actually acknowledge the taliban and the other terrorists bc its not just america the terrorists r attacking (selfish fucking americans) it is everywhere (except east asia they seem pretty untouched). now im sayin obama sould do sumthin bc bush's term is over and its up to obama now for what happens in America's future.
VideoGameGod64 1 year ago
@VideoGameGod64 Actually, I felt the game was much deeper BECAUSE of 9/11. I played the game for the first time in November 01 and the themes in the game felt very relevant to what was happening at the time. Because of it, the game started to feel really ...real.
shortboy 1 year ago
I love this game to this day, also i would like to play again the tanker part in scenario from first MGS2 trailer where Snake escape form sinking ship, shooting terrorist with Famas and trying to stop Metal Gear Ray, that would be more awesome than the original. For the plant chapter besides original Raiden story they should add Snake story side on Big Shell, all of that what happened to him during Raiden mission
TheKlimekpl 1 year ago
omg
JOHstunter12 1 year ago
I can't understand why they had to edit the ending of MGS2, however I wish it had been included. I think it would have brought the game closer to reality in a way.
FieryGatoh 1 year ago
@FieryGatoh - Can understand, I mean ^^;
FieryGatoh 1 year ago
they should of just taken out the harrier part and not the tanker sinking part thats cool
ecnos 1 year ago
@ecnos
Why the Harrier part? That was one of my favorite moments of the game.
Meryl719 1 year ago
@Meryl719 same, but if they had to take a part out it wud be the tanker 4 me but IDC really
ecnos 1 year ago
I agree MGS2 could have been better, Raiden was and still is annoying, but something about MGS games is that I can play them OVER and OVER again. When I first got MGS3 (my fave of the 3) I played it probably several times in a row. The realness and the switch to jungle from urban was great.
I just bought the essentials pack (first 3 (2 and 3 subs. versions)) for 20 bucks!!! I'm replaying them all again haha, all i need is twin snakes and vr missions :D
MGS never gets stale to me :)
sk8dudejames 1 year ago
Actually this game has went through a lot more changes then just those. The original plot was 100% different and you would have played as Snake the entire time. It wasn't going to be in New York and the entire Plant Chapter was cut out and had something else in its place.
bleachfanforever01 1 year ago
Yup, real shame.
In the "Making Of" Kojima says they removed these parts because they were not any fun or added anything to the storytelling.
I think it was because they were running short of space on disc, since they were restrained by the 4.7 GB storage limit on a single DVD. Maybe back then the DVD9 DL disks were not a standard.
But it's weird. The re-edition, Substance, does come with a DVD9 disk and a DVD5 one. They had plenty of space then, but didn't add these missing parts.
Kolmo75 1 year ago
@Kolmo75 Well, Unlike Subsistence, MGS2: Substance was a not-so-great addon, that your were better off just getting the original game.
badkiller2 1 year ago
@badkiller2 but vr missions dude
jasonbladex 1 year ago
@jasonbladex So? You want VR? Play MGS1! Best VR by far!.
badkiller2 1 year ago
@badkiller2 actually the best vr werent in mgs1 it was sold seperatley in mgs vr missions besides compared to the mgs1 vr missions these are better i mean coustumes character switch theater and vr which is awsome
jasonbladex 1 year ago
@jasonbladex AS you say. I still think VR missions were the best in MGS1. Total Classic.
badkiller2 1 year ago
@badkiller2 well thats different u should said as in classic and u shoulda said the separate disc one god i love that vr i thought the genola and mystery missions were awsome such a classic :)
jasonbladex 1 year ago
@jasonbladex Mystery mssions were awesome lol! Especially the last one in which you are in an office where there was murder lol! They shud make those again!.
badkiller2 1 year ago
@badkiller2 lol yea its just too bad that mg rising wont have snake playable and prob wont have vr like mgs4 nona that virtual range crap, but maybe if the fanbase grows big enough kojima can bring back an old favorite
jasonbladex 1 year ago
@jasonbladex There's still Peace Walker, thou it would probably a virtual range as well.... sigh..... I miss the VR!....
badkiller2 1 year ago
@badkiller2 yea but then mgs3 and portable ops couldn't have vr because of the time period but since peace walker is the closest to the original metal gears and mgs1 there may be hope
jasonbladex 1 year ago
@jasonbladex maybe. not possible but maybe. that's why i said it would have shooting range training and not VR ones.
badkiller2 1 year ago
@badkiller2 What are you talking about, the only good thing about MGS3 S was the 3D camera implemented, and the MSX games. MGS2 S was a great add on that made MGS2 useless, it's like only 2 dollars used now, while MGS2 S is 10 used.
It had the whole game, PLUS tons and tons of VR missions, First Person (PC), Skateboarding (PS2), Theater with switch Characters (Snake vs Snake is always awesome) Snake Tales, plus bonus disc with Cut scene flycam mode, and documentaries and much much more.
sk8dudejames 1 year ago
@sk8dudejames MGS3: Subsistence Also had Ape Escape mode. And the MSX games was an awesome addon.
badkiller2 1 year ago
@badkiller2, yes but they were not greater then what came with the MGS2 S version. The replay value of MGS2 S is much greater. Plus MGS3 played through a lot faster then number 2, but still number 3 is my favorite.
I was disappointed by what little different MGS3 S version was to MGS2, but the 3D camera was a HUGE plus, I really wish MGS2 would have it because after playing 3 to 2 it's annoying not being able to control it.
sk8dudejames 1 year ago
@sk8dudejames Dude, The first time I played MGS3, it took me 26 hours to finish it. it was my first MGS, so I was still a newbie. Soon after that, I played MGS2. took me 12 hours, and that's also after running back and forth alot and messing around. How exactly is MGS3 shorter than MGS2?. The jungles in MGS3 were very confusing at times, just like a real jungle, and the structure of the areas were quite complicated. Thou maybe i'm just a Big Boss junkie lol ^^!.
badkiller2 1 year ago
@badkiller2 thats probably why then since it was your first time. I have played through MGS3 in a little less then 6 hours with no alerts (wanted to get stealth camo :D )
Both have backtracking but for the most part are linear. I mean they reuse the beginning area twice and the last building twice. And the bosses being easier made it a lot shorter.
sk8dudejames 1 year ago
@badkiller2
Plus the ending fight wasn't as great with MGS2 and 1. I mean in number 2 you took on dozens of anti metal gears then solidus. Shagohod (spelling?) was shoot it a few times, and vulcan was EASY. Plus no button mashing torture scene made it easier to get through, I mean it could have had more intense boss fights, The Boss's final fight was also just CQC spam, but that is why I loved MGS3, the CQC :)
These things made it funner, not so much harder...
sk8dudejames 1 year ago
@sk8dudejames Dude what about The End?? if that didn't satisfy you, I don't know what will!.
badkiller2 1 year ago
@badkiller2 The End was incredibly easy, probably the easiest besides Ocelot. You can either kill him by old age (set playstation time ahead a week), kill him before hand when you arrive at the structure, or just let him capture you...
He was easy all you had to do was use the parrot to find him, stun him put on thermal goggles and follow him till he is at his end. None of the boss scenes were really nut buster hard. Plus once you reached Ocelot the bosses came every 5 mins...
sk8dudejames 1 year ago
@sk8dudejames the final fight in MGS4, was the best of any. that and the Ray vs. Rex fight
gninja92 1 year ago
It is a shame that they cut the running from the water bit.
mpmcufc666 1 year ago 40
@mpmcufc666 agreed that shit looks fuckin tight
channingtidmore 1 year ago
@mpmcufc666 they thought it would have been too hard thats why they cut it
fireman1991 1 year ago
@mpmcufc666 IIRC, they cut the tanker escape section because even though it seemed dramatic in concept, the actual segment they had designed was really kind of boring to play.
IlStefan 1 year ago
@mpmcufc666 Kojima said he cut it out because it was too frustating.
tltar253 10 months ago
@mpmcufc666 They said that, although perfectly relevant to plot it wasn't fun to play at all and it was mostly tedious.
Everything is done for a reason...
lb8068 3 months ago
Arsenal tengu are the 2 º Sexyest enemy
1st is the FROGS
MEGATRYANT 1 year ago
Wasn't this footage used during a flashback during the plant chapter?
JoesGuy 1 year ago
"the year of snake"!! lol u only play as him for the very first bit of the game
DaRkLoRd1061 1 year ago
thats why there is Snake Tales some peppole whanted to play more as snake soo
MEGATRYANT 1 year ago
@MEGATRYANT snake tales?? never heard of it, still i don't see why they didn't just keep these sections of the game in!!
DaRkLoRd1061 1 year ago
when i finished the game i felt that kojima was playing a big prank on me....snake was even on the cover and yet the main character was that fag raiden,he doesn't even have a dick for christ sake.shinkawas drawings of raiden look really cool but the interpretation was a failure...mgs2 sucked big time,apart from the boat incident
sweeney665 1 year ago
ALOT BIGGER, 1 hour to complete it, he could have made it so much longer and added in areas, where you could fight bosses.
The Tanker looks bigger on the outside, it really did look long enough to make into a MGS game but instead kojima thought of making Raiden and the PLANT! When he could have added more to Tanker.
It really did look gigantic. I remember a magazine with beta images like before he thought about adding Raiden.
I hated his idea of Raiden, no warning.
YamiAnubisX 2 years ago
And we all know what happened to MGS, after we found out you played as Raiden for most of the game, Kojima got backlashed badly by the outcome.
Him keeping Raiden a secret not only pissed fans off majorly but he got the heat to the point, where he made Big Boss look like Solid Snake in MGS3 and why you play as SS in MGS4.
Not a smart move, especcially since he got bad heat from people. Worst secret, which nearly destroyed MGS.
Also the Tankar level could have been alot longer, I mean
YamiAnubisX 2 years ago
they must make a remake of mgs 1 2 3 for ps3 like gw
lalogamer 2 years ago
konami never does remakes or adds in stuff for the consumer, only bullshit crap to get more money, 1 year and 8 months later MGS4 fanboys are still waiting for the trophy patch
gninja92 1 year ago
Uh yeah they want to make money, and who really needs trophies?
JoesGuy 1 year ago
@gninja92 They did a remake on MGS1 actually, they released it on Gamecube and it's called MGS: Twin Snakes i think... wasnt a complete remake though, they added some new moves and stuff... Better then the original imo! =)
Godhandishere 1 year ago
who was snake aiming at with his fa-mas? as far as i know, snake isn't someone who wastes bullets just for show...
N6600 2 years ago
he is firing at the TANKer XD get it the tank zombie of L4D
man thats a cheating zombie
MEGATRYANT 1 year ago
Why Snake have fa mas from mgs 1?
TheZagunator 2 years ago
Because, but it's has been removed in the final version, Kojima said he was useless because the tanker part was too short.
RushSnakeRS 2 years ago
did antone notice how ray is bigger than the tanker, how they supposed 2 fit that in there lol
darkrai283 2 years ago
i wish they would remake the orginal metal gear game and its sequel metal gear 2 :solid snake on the ps3 combined and name it metal gear solid:the beggining :)
mrpolo1111 2 years ago 3
mrpolo111, i totally agree, if they were to make it with MGS4 control scehme as well
gninja92 1 year ago
oh my god
mgs2 would be even cooler is you had to run away from explosions and water even though mgs2 is cool anyway
halestone200 2 years ago 4
the devs agreed that the escape from the explosions and cascading water wouldve been too difficult to perform, and it wouldnt have fitted in (even though it wouldve been awesome :>).
imo, the harrier battle wouldve been the best.
virtuousmission 2 years ago
the part about the harrier looked the best for me. so wat if it as difficult to perform, its also difficult to justify $50 fora game, wen i could feed my whole family for 2 weeks witht hat money.
difficulty is no excuse,
not fit it? so put in a second disc, MGS1 was on 2 discs, does no one remember that anymore?
gninja92 1 year ago
they show ths on the DVD
LinzyRulzNorthNowra 2 years ago
holy shit dude?
FAMAS AND a MG ray boss fight on the tanker? EPIIIIICCCCCC
substance, why didnt that have these as snake tales or something
eldestsucubus 2 years ago
Man, I'm kinda pissed now lol after seeing this. I've never seen this footage..well, I've seen this trailer plenty of times, but not the beta footage of snake fighting the harrier and stuff. These scenes would have been awesome as hell in the game..
brandonmcduff 2 years ago
The Harrier fight on the bridge was never actually planned to be in the game. It's inclusion here in this trailer was to show there would be a Harrier fight. The reason it's shown like this was to keep the Big Shell and Raiden a secret.
Kitamora 2 years ago 38
@Kitamora NO, Actually it was Removed Due to the 9/11 attacks that happen in 2001 when MGS4 was about to be realased,
One of the Kojima staff members said it in the MGS4 Bonus disk That they feared the american people would be offended by it, same thing happen whit the spiderman movie too
Sonicku 1 year ago 5
@Sonicku The sequences later in the game with Arsenal Gear crashing through Manhattan and the infamous scene with the Statue of Liberty were removed because of 9/11, but the Harrier battle on the bridge was never intended to be in the finished game.
Kitamora 1 year ago
@Kitamora Such a beautiful bridge, for only one scene in the game, isn't it bad ?
leoufdu38 1 year ago 2
@Kitamora its funny cause when mgs2 came it everyone was like raiden sucks! .now that they played mgs4 and seen the trailer for metal gear rising ..they dont dare diss him anymore!
risingshadow10494 1 year ago
@Kitamora Exactly
tltar253 10 months ago
It is funny that it says "Snake is back." When you barely play as Snake.
bleachfanforever01 2 years ago 4
when you play the real game in one of the cut scenes they show you this beta videos.
fareedbakhit 2 years ago
What are you talking about dudes? I've played this last part Alternate ending sequence on MGS2 Substance you just have to NOT KILL Bosses but insted Shock them with M9 ... etc.. and next time when you will be playing ending with Snake will be diferent ...
Phenomenom666 2 years ago
bull shit ive tranced the bosses on MGS2 and MGS substance and ive played the game inside and out you cant its a BETA!!!!
blackhawk65589 2 years ago
yeah hes full of shit, I 100% every version of every game even all the VR mission.
themaybatatter 2 years ago
@Phenomenom666 You don't even play as Snake at the end. Remember Raiden? Well not that I liked Raiden but he was the main character of 2.
bleachfanforever01 2 years ago
The reason Hideo Kojima showed the Harrier on the bridge was to keep Raiden secret. He also showed Snake fighting Fortune.
johndmgs 2 years ago
weird
VillejeanRyder35 2 years ago
I wish that they would have the famas in there aswell with aks 74u and m4
Mountain117 2 years ago
i mean why the fuck a FAMAS if theres a
M4 they just used famas on MGS1 bcuz the PS1 cant render a good geometry like the 2 so it uses a less geometric appeling weapon if they use a M4 and look of that distance the camera shows it would be a geometric disaster
MEGATRYANT 1 year ago
@MEGATRYANT
You make so little sense its not even funny to rummage trough it too much.
The FAMAS is a beautiful weapon and as capable as any other. Plus it uses STANAG mags (the very same mags as the M4/16) and Nato rounds (5.56x45mm, again the very same rounds as the M4/16).
You are simply biased agaisn't the weapon and try to justify it trough senseless excuses of technicalities.
00Resev 1 year ago
@MEGATRYANT Yeah that's a great conclusion. Thumbs up!
MisterAlbertoPiano 1 year ago
wow, the Harrie battle at the bridge was an amazing idea!
2112nico 2 years ago
I love how it went into more detail on how RAY moved
KanameTousen 2 years ago
Same! I mean, it's kind of a small detail, but when you're a big fan you just want to know everything there is to know. You could assume that RAY simply used some sort of jet engine to move underwater and you'd probably be right, but then we see this and realize that it actually uses a form of articulated fins to propel itself. Just goes to show how much thought and detail Kojima and his team put into their work.
KurosanNitebird 2 years ago
everybody want famas i play mgs2 all the time becuse its soo good!!!!!!
TheDanielmgs4 2 years ago
i think he took this part out coz it was'nt too cenematic...as u see Snake escaping from the Tanker is as he runs usually in the Gameplay u play..!..
rayyancooldude98 2 years ago
No, it was originally going to be gameplay.
LuigitheSith 2 years ago
actually , there are many beta version that you can see in the MGS2.
If you pay attention to the cutscene where Pliskin was telling Snake is dead , there is a video where snake is escaping from the tanker , and Snake weapon in tanker Famas was remove.
Not only that , in cutscene where Ocelot was explaining that every rookie can become ultimate soldier like Snake / S3 plan , there's a cutscene where Snake is in the ifiltraring the Big Shell and Battling Fortune but was remove.
OktaSnkJB 2 years ago
i still wish Snake has more role. So we can play Snake's story in the Plant chapter
OktaSnkJB 2 years ago
One of the best pieces of art of the genre that is video games.
mankyman6 2 years ago 5
LMAO 2001 really was the year of the snake! xD
Julienfun 2 years ago 4
These parts are in the trailer GC, E3, TGS, right?
paulosbruzzi 2 years ago
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TheDanielmgs4 2 years ago
No, it was originally in the game but Kojima made a last minute discesion and took it out.
GrayFoxist 2 years ago 5
were did u get thissss????????
rayyancooldude98 2 years ago
aww they should've kept the escape the tanker part, would've been intense
XRontix 2 years ago 7
Usually I am against censorship, but I can understand that they removed this part after 9/11.
Laurelindo 2 years ago
I understand why it needed to be removed, MGS2 would have been all over Fox News and every post-9/11 patriotic fad-follower would have held public burnings of MGS2 or something.
Artistically, though, I think it might have heightened the emotional impact of the game, and made it frighteningly real.
If it were a painting or a book, no one would have cared. It's just too bad how seldom people are willing to consider games to be art.
slalomluke 2 years ago 20
Tell that to Americans and Middle East.
ReactTeamSession 2 years ago
@slalomluke thing is, the development of the game was pre-9/11, when it happened, shit got removed.
PTSnake 1 year ago
this looks so much better than the finished game.
ihearduliekgoatse 2 years ago
they should have freaking kept this in the game
Xiomara727 2 years ago 3
they should have kept the famas.
VillejeanRyder35 2 years ago
You can get it in Substance I believe, and if Im not mistaken you can play as MGS1 Snake or Piskin on the Tanker.
SilentSharpshooterX1 2 years ago
OMG 0:54 show MGS5 but quickly changes to a 2
davi55x 2 years ago
that an "S"
Potcharadanai 2 years ago
If you look closely though during one of the FMV's you can still see that part of the game
jay6593 2 years ago 2
i heared they also took out the part where the arsenal gear crahes into the twin towers which they removed because of the 9-11 attack
lokallize 2 years ago 6
Arsenal Gear didn't crash into the twin towers.check the document of mgs2.the added a 3d map of where arsenal gear crashed and the WTC is un harmed.
hecrpd 2 years ago
MexicanSeadude , can you do me a favour and make a video of you showing of the fa-mas in the demo , would like to see how it works considering it was removed from mgs2 :(
thanks :)
NarutoGuyNo1 2 years ago
Ive actually just been messing around with the MGS2 demo (one that came with ZOE), here is the fa-mas code
FA-MAS
4cbb7458 1456e7ae
i started messing around abit, and found a code for the PSG1 and Nikita, but the game freezes when they are selected
PSG1
4cbb7456 1456e7ae
Nikita
4cbb7460 1456e7ae
MexicanSeadude 2 years ago
all those codes are out since for ever...
Rue666 2 years ago
meh, i only wanted to try and fix up the fa-mas
i was quite shocked when i saw those two weapons appear in my inventory
MexicanSeadude 2 years ago
you again, huh? what Metal Gear don't you have?!
ReactTeamSession 2 years ago
NOOO! I SOO WANTED THE FAMAS IN MGS2!
ComputerHelp1997 2 years ago 2
and they definitly should of put the FAMAS in the MGS2, and MGS4 that would be bad ass.
MasterCheif248 2 years ago
yep
ComputerHelp1997 2 years ago
Demo version has the FA-MAS as a gameshark code but its abit glitchy
MexicanSeadude 2 years ago 2
we all wanted the FAMAS in MGS2 and MGS4. If it makes you feel better, there's a grenade lancher in one of the communication towers when you revisit Shadow Moses in MGS4 that's shaped simular to a FAMAS.
RedneckGamer07 2 years ago