@MissJenny666100 You have to believe in God to join Freemasons, so you have to be religious. They were technically Rosicrucian and most of the founding fathers believed in some type of God.
@quemacha You're right. Observing that organisms who adapt to their environment (through no voluntary act of their own) are better able to survive and therefore produce more offspring encourages slavery and genocide. You're a genius. You have not the slightest clue what Darwin's theory was if you think it is condoned social artificial selection. By definition his contribution was an understanding of how Natural Selection affected both enduring & extinct populations.
"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated."
Continued: "The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."
@xJoeEDangerouslyx They are defining the Christianity. If Christians own up to what their Bible says I'd be willing to admit our country may have been founded on Christian principles.
@xJoeEDangerouslyx But even then it's not. It's founded on a lot of philosophy that is foreign to the Christian tradition and the Christianity that is there is some form of abstraction that even the deists and even atheists of the day agreed with.
God gave us Doctors, He sure did! For a very small fee of just 49.99 you can get to visit any doctor you like, that's right, all you HAVE TO do is Pay! You wont get any medicine or anything like that but you will get to see a doctor! ROTFL! The caller is just a religious Troll!
1:16 "at the time the bibel was written" wait what? i thought GOD wrote it? If he did and had this divine plan of his, wouldn't he know what to write in the bibel based on what he knew would happen in the future? so god rewrote the bibel multiple times as things changed? this is the work of a fuck-up, not a divine being. proof right here folks, the bibel is pure human written bullshit.
God gave me doctors... Religion and ignorance are almost the same thing. Except one involves knowing close to nothing valuable, and the other believes in nothing valuable and not knowing it isn't valuable!
If you think you can debate Tom, why not try calling into the Atheist Experience? It's on at 4.30 central today, and they give priority to theist callers. I'll be watching online & hoping for conversion ;-)
That first caller was just plain wrong, not to mention morally bankrupt. Ohh yea, worship a god that you think will kill person A to teach person B a lesson; now those are morals I just want to cuddle up with and smother with a pillow. My fundie friend made the same argument about the story of elisha. I just sat there in astonishment.
LOL I love how everyone that gets on his show and gets owned by him eventually starts getting all sarcastic and passive aggressive, saying "oh you're a master debator, you're always right". Hes too smart for them
I just shit on your jeezuss bible over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
Conservatives monopolize "justification" for war and assume that NO OTHERS besides theirs are legit. Not only that, but they think it's somehow OK for the ONE nation that's actually dropped nukes on another nation to tell OTHER nations they can't have them.
Conservative anticommunist retards were the ones having our government support all kinds of brutal dictators and monarchs in the Cold War while SOMEHOW still claiming we "support freedom." PFFT. "We" support whatever's convenient.
The term "Judeo-Christian values" assumes that ONLY Jews and Christians value those things or hold those dear as morals. HA! So no other religious or nonreligious folks have them?? Please
Conservatives LOVE to monopolize everything: marriage, "values", business, etc.
There's no such thing as Judeo-Christian values, just like there's no such thing as Shino, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Bahai, Wicca, Satanist or Sikh values. They are HUMAN values (the good parts of all those religions, that is). HUMANS came up with the teachings and wrote them down. ;)
"God" didn't give us anything since he most likely doesn't exist! It's an invention of primitive civilizations that needed to explain what they didn't yet know or understand thanks to scientific discovery.
there is somthing but its so diffrent from the god we are taught about its not even funny.
i know this because i died for a minute in 1999. its not eternity after death, more like a infinite eternal "moment" time can slow down and then it stops
The original purpose of the 3/5's clause was not to count blacks as 3/5's of a human. It was to prevent the southern slave owning states from gaining too much control in the House by importing people to artificially enlarge their population and thus gaining more representation. This was done so that slavery could eventually be phased out through a legislative process. While not the only stupid remark made, it was the most glaring. Tom is either ignorant, stupid, or both.
I love how religious people rationalize EVERYTHING. They always have an explanation for everything, even if it's far from the truth or simply ridiculously unrealistic. Religious people [Christians especially] have such a huge ego that they cannot accept the fact that there are certain things in life that they will never know or understand. The question mark at the end of a person's natural lifetime aggravates the tiny little ignorant minds that populate a religious moron's skull.
@DarthHater100 Chill out man, I'm on your side. I wrote "condone", not "condemn." Will you please direct me to some verses I can read in the Old as well as New Testament regarding slavery? I'll have to borrow a Bible though, I don't have one anymore. I don't need the Bible to know the difference between right and wrong, that's what my heart and mind are for. And I have read the entire thing, but I just can't remember it all. Thanks.
@TheEmilio16 Sorry man, I guess we both agree, and I should have read your post properly before opening my big mouth. Anyways, if you don't have a Bible your best bet is just to Google search for "slavery in the Bible". There's a pretty good Wikipedia article about it, which outlines everything worth mentioning. I am too lazy too go through it and find specific passages but if it is important to you, this is very easy-to-find stuff.
@DarthHater100 I appreciate your being kind. It seems like most people want to post on here just to be argumentative. I'll check out the Wikipedia article. You're right, there is a ton of stuff on the internet about this subject, I don't mind looking it up. I'm originally from America, but I've found a more peaceful country to live in. I'm sick of all the arguing about the Founding Fathers and what they did or didn't believe, along with all the other meaningless crap people argue about. Thanks.
i can prove that there is god, want proof? go to youtube and type in tom leykis, he is god working in the interest of saving us men of a life of pain & misery, ADAM wished he had existed over 2,000 years ago.
fuck religion, it is the #1 reason why people can't get fucking along, about who's god is the best or is the one true god. does it really matter? at the end of the day, it is not faith that's paying the bills or the rent/mortgage, and especially taxes or medical/dental insurance. you think hospitals give a fuck about who you pray to? all they want is money. you owe money to the I.RS., your faith is not gonna bail you out. owe back child support? god is not gonna pay it for you. wake up people.
@sasquatch13ja religion is good for humans too. Think about Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists who dedicate their lives to helping the poor and sick. Religion really isn't that bad it's just popular to think so.
If the bible was written by J. R. R. Tolkien, these stupid fuckers would be worshipping, and they'd believe in Hobbits, Elves, and Wizards. Instead they worship & believe in Angels, devils, and a bearded nut job, named Jesus. Retards!
@qqqTOXICqqq noticed that all major religions were created during the days when there was no electricity, technology, planes,...etc. it was very easy back 2,000 to 3,000 years ago to brainwash people as a whole to believe in anything just to control them and manipulate them.
@MultiSmartass1 You think you're a writer, do you? You are just some moke from Hawaii who whines and complains of whites taking over the sacred land of your ancestors. YAWN! You are probably one of those cretins who also believes capitalism exploits people, because people like yourself can't compete in a competitive society, therefore the rest of the country should lower their creative standards to the level of worthless losers like you in an effort to keep everyone equally poor.Hawaiians suck!
@MultiSmartass1 Capitalism works great for me. I don't give a rats ass about the poor. The poor need to take care of themselves. Are you jealous of the rich? I am very well off, thank you, and I no longer need a job. Wealthy individuals deserve tax breaks, WE pay the nations taxes, unlike you meaningless, mundane wage workers. Why is it with you welfare dependents or wage earners perpetually complain about the rich and their tax cuts? Next time you need a job, why don't you ask a poor person?
@MultiSmartass 1 You are an idiot in your thinking abilities(Or your lack thereof) and design. I never claimed you to be academically stupid. When you begin hurling insults at me, as in calling me a Nazi, or asking me to get a GED, that's where the stupidity begins with you. I can assure you I have far more experiences in world travel, global affairs and political affiliations then some guy writing blogs from the Internet. By the way, have you dined at Hy's? That was once a favorite of mine.
@MultiSmartass1 Wie viele Sprachen Sie können, sprechen Sie mit Geläufigkeit? Deutsch ist nur eine der vieler Sprachen ich spreche. Ich bin ein Meister von vielen Zungen. Ein echter Sprachforscher, Sie dummer amerikanischer Idiot. Wie ist die Wohlfahrtslinie, die Sie behandelt? Sie Stück der Scheiße.
Your compulsive ignorance seems to know no bounds. India is/was a third world
nation precisely because it outlawed competition, profits etc. Innovation is inextricably tied to profit. No profit, no innovation; no competition, no freedom and no wealth. If Capitalism only works for the "rich and the upper middle class" perhaps you'd be willing to trade places with a poor Mexican. Mexicans are already coming here so all you really have to do is head down there.
@0spiker What's deal with you right wing wackos and competition? There's plenty of competition in the third world: competitition for jobs with paltry wages, competition in begging for money, competition for food.
Plenty of competition.out there in third world and the poorer areas.
Competition is not special but somehow in the business world, it supposedly is something new and special. Bullshit!
Wow, Poopy great argument: Call people names and pretend it's an argument.
I guess there's no way to explain to the intentionally stupid the difference between competing for jobs and competing for profits. Mexico is due south. Though you might have to "compete" with all your bretheren headed down there.
@0spiker You mentioned competition in and of itself and I noted-accurately-that comeptition exists all over the world and is not endemic to the business world or the US.
So, competiting for jobs and profits are slight different manifestations of the same thing-competition.
In the end, competition means nothing because it is vice not a virtue.
People don't need to compete for food, clothing and shelter-they should have those by right.
Never called you a Mexican but since you seem to have a problem with economic competition; you're welcome to go where there is non. I never mentioned competition in and of itself. Now let me see if I get this straight, you're saying competition is competition!? If by endemic you mean unique, you might have a point, but since that is not what the word means, I'm gonna say you're wrong. while people don't need to compete; market competition is essential for freedom and prosperity
While slavery is an unfortunate part of America's history, it wasn't one of the founding principles. Don't know where the heck he came up with that one.
It depends how you want to define founding principle. Maybe there is a better word to describe it? It sure the hell was considered normal.
12 of our presidents were slave owners, 8 of them while they were in office. The US constitution of 1789 established the worth of a slave as 3/5th of a person with no right to vote.
God? God's laws? I did already answer the question re: the 245 mitzvot which apply to Jews. It's not clear at all how they apply to Christians. Indeed, you stumbled over the answer all on your own, bumped your head then quickly dusted yourself off and stumbled forward. Almost as if the kid who found the dead sea scrolls fell over them and was happy to find dirt. I'm still not clear on how you get "god handed down all these laws"
Yes it is all together likely that Jesus never existed;yet the question under consideration is what serves as the basis for Christianity; that as I stated is the belief in his death and resurrection. Note the operative word there being belief. The evidence for Jesus existence is very thin; certainly no basis for drawing REASONABLE conclusions about who he was or how he behaved. What's next? Santa doesn't exist but you think he's a swell guy?
Nope the OT is NOT the basis for Christianity. Even your restatement of your argument suffers from the same ignorance as you first claim; the same empty headed chatechismic recitation. The basis for Christianity is the death and purported resurrection of Jesus Christ. So what's next you don't remember saying "that the OT is the basis for Christianity" OR You thought everyone knew the death/ resurrection bit and didn't think it had to be brought up?
@0spiker That's true but the problem is that Christians believe in the whole bible not just the NT. So, it s the fault of Christians for not adhering to the NT-nobody else.
Try talking to all these ranting, stupid preachers out there who barely graduated high school and just start a church and call themselves "Reverend".
Leave the rest of us logical and rational people alone.
The OT is relevant to Christians because it "predicts" the coming of their messiah.
Belief in the "whole bible" hardly proves any one event in it amounts to a principle. You close with "Leave the rest of us logical and rational people alone." When you interrupt a conversation , spewing your incoherent 2 cents; one might give you the same advice. Logical and rational? Not sure how believing ethnic slurs and spelling critiques are an argument pass for either.
@0spiker First of all, I said it reference to these "ranting" preachers, not you.
Second, if you want to talk about ethnic slurs, do so to the asshole german guy on this page and not to me because I didn't use any.
Third,the point I made is that Christians believe in the whole bible not just the NT even the NT is directly targeted at them not the OT which is intended for Jews.
It is a waste of time to put stock in the OT regardless of whether it predicts Christ's emergence or not.
So you said "it in reference to "ranting" preachers and to make sure they understood
you put "it" in an unsolicited post to me.Didn't use any? If your going to deny using ethnic slurs try not putting them right before your denial. People might actually pretend to believe you. Yes Christians "believe in the whole bible" and that means what? No Christ's "fulfilment of prophecy" makes him divine. Many early Christians were Jews to begin with; so they already believed.
@0spiker No, I have used no ethnic slurs in my post but that German guy has used them freely so talk to him about it not me. I will not talk about this further.
Secondly, are you and atheist, agnostic, christian or just confused?
Pick a side? Why do the facts change when you "PICK A SIDE"? Again here we have
the question of "logical arguments" This seems to mean things like name calling and
spelling critiques to you (I want to be on the same page so we're not working at cross purposes). And again we have the "reference to ranting preachers? "Otherwise, leave me and others alone." I am an Agnostic yet in this instance I'll also have to say I'm "just confused" cont...
Wow a crash course in drunken posting. Agnostics want to have faith but can't? Where did you get that one, Meister Eckhart? Uneven reasoning? Of course, you assume I was debating. Asking someone a question about what they're writing about and expecting them to have their facts straight is not a debate. One does not need to "PICK A SIDE" Facts don't change because you hold a particular position.
But let's get specific, how is it events in the OT are Christian principles?
@0spiker I don't drink, Iam teetotaler unlike undisciplined people like you.
I base this not only a number of Agnostics that have called in to Tom's ask an atheist segment and tried to convinced him otherwise but the vary nature of agnostics.
They lack certainty in their intellectual and non-spiritual approach-at least the ones I have come across.
If they were certain, they'd be athiests.
Facts may not change but positions do. You are arguing both sides of the coin.
So you just think as though your drunk. Ok. No I'm not arguing both sides of the coin.
If I say Marxists believe in the Dictatorship of the Proletariat that does not make me an advocate of Marxism.( Teetotaler's don't swear either;). I'm not responsible for the problems of other agnostics or for the more likely fact that you can't comprehend what they're arguing. Agnostics don't have a specific nature. Yes positions change, but the dispute is over the facts not anyone's position
"A lot of agnostics are wannabe religious people anyway but they have doubts and are not sure." Yet it is always Ex Atheist turns Christian that you hear about. Trading one bankrupt idea for another. Same intellectual habits; always ending in bankrupt ideas. Never understanding why.
ROTFL! It may shock you, but philosophy is not an intellectual lost and found. Nor does it provide immunity for idiotic ideas like deism. If "GOD" does not intervene in human affairs, then how would you know there is one? ah that's where the gullibility, er faith comes in. Sounds like YOU don't "know where to turn" I know exactly what I need to know. Again Deist? Atheist? Christian? Same intellectual habits.
@0spiker I don't know why you are blathering on about philosphy and God since I didn't bring up those topics in my last post.
Apparently, you need a dictionary and a brain. Athiests and Christians are not the same in any way shape or form. Christians and religious people depend on faith and belief and do not put stock in science or logic and rationality in any way shape or form. Athiests do not put any stock in faith or belief nor do they believe in the existence of a god.
I'm not sure how you became the topical hall monitor, but let's take a look shall we? Hmm...let's see, Poopy.I believe Deism was mentioned .You go ahead and believe any laughable idea your foolish little head can wrap itself around. "Christians and religious people",Peepee? Christians aren't religious? Interesting, and exactly which is Deism? You're Mother meant well when she said you're smart, she just didn't think you'd take her this seriously.
@MultiSmartass1 2 When people assert something like Christians "believe in the whole bible" they
do so to make a point (that is, to show why they think the assertion is important, meaningful or true). You did none of these. Getting back to my original question, is having your facts straight a Christian thing? I wasn't aware of that. Asking how an OT event is a Christian principle isn't defending Christianity. It did show Anon has the same intellectual habits as most Christians.
I can see you've done that and come out with the wrong answer. At least your consistent. Do Christians sacrifice animals to their god? Celebrate Hanukkah?
Passover? Think Saturday is the Sabbath? Mention any other commandments other than the famous 10? Keep Kosher? Each of these relate to an OT principle; yet non are meaningful for Christians so why is the killing of all enemies except
virgins and cattle (not even a principle for the Jews) a principle for Christians?
I believe the operative word was "entirety", you said they "accept the bible as is-in its entirety." and earlier "Christians believe in the whole bible" Now are those things not in the bible, Poopy? Is it they believe in the customs but don't practice them? Still waiting for you to make a point. If you know how. You tell me to argue yet you don't understand what the word means. All Christians practice the Sabbath. Did you mean to say some practice it on Saturday?
Cogent? logical? Where was that? Certainly wasn't in any of your posts. It has always interested me that Atheists and Christians have the same intellectual habits while the atheist pretends he doesn't. Now who was it that said pick a side and argue. Hmm who was it that jumped into a conversation that didn't involve him and who was it that still can't muster an argument while telling everyone to do just that?
Just cause your Mother says your smart, doesn't mean you are.
@0spiker I guess your mother thought you were a retarded bastard with shit for brains. The fact that you cannot understand my cogent and logical posts is not my fault but yours.
Why don't you get a life? Religious people are irrational and illogical. They rely on faith and belief, not fact and logic. That's the truth.
Since you are a so-called agnostic., why do you care anyway?
@Anonanonanonymous You may not "feel desperate but quoting out of context and lying about your argument certainly seem like it, but if you claim this is normal for you, I'll take your word for it.But then what does support your argument? Christians don't have the Sabbath on Saturday, don't celebrate Chanukah or Passover. What happened to the 613 commandments argument? You realized I was right but can't admit it? p.s. Perhaps you'd be less confused if you stopped replying to your own posts
defending? Do we go from one non sequitor to another with you? I haven't tried defending anything although I can see in your desperation that you must make accusations rather than try to prove your point. What I'm talking about is 1.) that you are wrong about what is a christian principle and 2.) that you can't even support your own argument 3.) That one can't prove a negative;
2.)Per Wikipedia we have "Many ... mitzvot cannot be observed now, following the destruction of the Second Temple, although they still retain religious significance. According to one standard reckoning,... 77 negative and 194 positive commandments that can be observed today. ...26 commands that apply only within the Land of Israel. So out of 613, 245 remain what's the word? [relevant?] outside of Israel. In sum 368 don't even apply to Jews much less to Christians.
Confused or desperate? Divorcing it from it's past? My you are desperate aren't you? You still haven't shown how you're original claim is true. You've simply change the subject and try to get me to prove it for you. As to relevance, would be nice if you quoted in context (though with your degree of desperation, I can see why you don't)
I claimed the "rest of the Mitzvot" had no relevance. Anyone other than a quote miner would 1.) know something about the subjects they raise
I must point out that the "rest of the Mitzvot" have no relevance for Christianity per se.
Now since you lack the ability to comprehend your own assertions and their meaning,
I guess it's up to me to show where they fall apart: "Gods Laws are the foundation of that religion" I severely doubt that any such thing as "God" exists so it would be extremely difficult for "Him" to have laws or for them to serve as the basis for a given religion much less for an alledged offshoot.
Are you for real!!? You really can't back up your assertion now you want me to do it for you!!? For the sake of argument I'll agree with your "basic rules" thesis-although if I pointed out that the 613 Mitzvot were not all in fact "brought down from Sinai" you might decide to, depending on your mood- tell me nothing in the bible has been repealed or that it was in the name of taste and profitability.
Well is it "christianity has simply been a continuing refinement, making the belief system more palatable and profitable as the years went on" or "jesus said that "the law is the law and shall remain so until the end of time". nowhere in the new testament does it say "god decided that all the rules he gave us, and judged us by for the past 4000 years, are now repealed" can't be both. Perhaps you need to close the catechism books. Try forming your own thoughts.
Better take some Kaopectate for that verbal diarrhea. What God exactly, Mr. Angrypants? What does Christianity's attitude toward homosexuality have to do with
"kill their enemies down to the last donkey, except for the virgin girls"? How does that demonstrate the latter is a principle?
It's interesting how patriarchal religions - created by men - and their male clergy all preach restrictions on sex, which goes against the apparent male agenda of casual sex. Draw your own conclusions...
Yet that says next to nothing about whether a given event in the OT became a Christian principle. Nowhere in OT does it say that killing their enemies down to the last donkey, except for the virgin girls, who are to be taken as slaves is a rule and certainly there's nowhere where judgement "of us" is based on said "rule". If it is
where in the NT do we find a similar edict or even the practice of it?
slavery is actually a jewish principle.
timo86m 1 week ago
America is founded in satanism
Afrolatin22 2 weeks ago
I really love this guy, he is THE NUMBER ONE PRO TROLL in the internet, I subscribe right now!
Raxapheon 2 weeks ago
Where in the constitution does it say we are a Christian nation?
dontgetmarried999 1 month ago
Our founding fathers were mostly atheists and freemasons anyways...
MissJenny666100 1 month ago
@MissJenny666100 You have to believe in God to join Freemasons, so you have to be religious. They were technically Rosicrucian and most of the founding fathers believed in some type of God.
VonNietzsche 1 month ago
Good Lord I havent heard Tom destroy anyone this bad lol
Beararms88 1 month ago
When we die we are WORMFOOD. Period. (Or charcoal.)
Ersa1a 2 months ago
this is a subject that cant be undestood by man for some reason. whether there is or not...
tuberklops 2 months ago in playlist Tom Leykis Most Offensive & Controversial!
that religious guy sounds like a raging flamer... I am gay and I don't talk as "femme" as that freak...
MrSpemat 3 months ago
I take issue with Toms argument, slavery is condoned by the bible as is genocide.
chocomilk1989 3 months ago
@chocomilk1989
Darwinism condones slavery and genocide.
quemacha 2 months ago
@quemacha Where?
eldogg4life 2 months ago
@eldogg4life
Survival of the fittest - the way animals behave.
quemacha 2 months ago
@quemacha You're right. Observing that organisms who adapt to their environment (through no voluntary act of their own) are better able to survive and therefore produce more offspring encourages slavery and genocide. You're a genius. You have not the slightest clue what Darwin's theory was if you think it is condoned social artificial selection. By definition his contribution was an understanding of how Natural Selection affected both enduring & extinct populations.
eldogg4life 2 months ago
@quemacha Urine idiot.
Ersa1a 2 months ago
@quemacha Darwinism doesnt exist. The scientific theory of evolution does. That theory does not condone slavery or genocide.
However, Christianity does "Slave be in subjection to their masters."
As George Carlin would say "its in the bible."
MultiSmartass1 2 months ago
@MultiSmartass1
"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated."
Darwin, The Descent of Man
quemacha 2 months ago
@MultiSmartass1
Continued: "The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."
The Descent of Man
quemacha 2 months ago
@quemacha Darwinism is not a belief system like christianity which is a mistake most believers make
chocomilk1989 2 months ago
This caller is why religion will never end...such a fucking moron...OMGawd!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 3 months ago
this guy's an embarrassment to any religious person -- unfortunately, he's typical.....no reason.....LOL
fastfootedone 4 months ago
I am dying over here LOL
YababaVideo 5 months ago
Actually, slavery and genocide are very much Biblical Judeo-Christian values.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 5 months ago
@xJoeEDangerouslyx They are defining the Christianity. If Christians own up to what their Bible says I'd be willing to admit our country may have been founded on Christian principles.
RuinSonic 4 months ago
@xJoeEDangerouslyx But even then it's not. It's founded on a lot of philosophy that is foreign to the Christian tradition and the Christianity that is there is some form of abstraction that even the deists and even atheists of the day agreed with.
RuinSonic 4 months ago
This idiot caller represents 95% of Republicans.
DoItYouWont100 5 months ago
why dont he just list the christian principals?
boltenloozen 6 months ago
God gave us Doctors, He sure did! For a very small fee of just 49.99 you can get to visit any doctor you like, that's right, all you HAVE TO do is Pay! You wont get any medicine or anything like that but you will get to see a doctor! ROTFL! The caller is just a religious Troll!
deeppurple28 6 months ago 4
I love this!
jax252000 7 months ago
it's sooooooooooooo ez to skewer 95% of self-proclaimed Christians.
antiirony 7 months ago
1:16 "at the time the bibel was written" wait what? i thought GOD wrote it? If he did and had this divine plan of his, wouldn't he know what to write in the bibel based on what he knew would happen in the future? so god rewrote the bibel multiple times as things changed? this is the work of a fuck-up, not a divine being. proof right here folks, the bibel is pure human written bullshit.
imtheshattered 8 months ago
I like this Tom guy!
quidproquo2004 8 months ago
God gave me doctors... Religion and ignorance are almost the same thing. Except one involves knowing close to nothing valuable, and the other believes in nothing valuable and not knowing it isn't valuable!
cmacinnis 9 months ago
I could debate tom, half these people he interviews are retarded.
tharemedybeats 9 months ago
@tharemedybeats
If you think you can debate Tom, why not try calling into the Atheist Experience? It's on at 4.30 central today, and they give priority to theist callers. I'll be watching online & hoping for conversion ;-)
sakar181 9 months ago
"Can't we all just get a Bong!"
cvjucla3 9 months ago
I love religious people, they're my main source of income.
aim2lex 9 months ago
That first caller was just plain wrong, not to mention morally bankrupt. Ohh yea, worship a god that you think will kill person A to teach person B a lesson; now those are morals I just want to cuddle up with and smother with a pillow. My fundie friend made the same argument about the story of elisha. I just sat there in astonishment.
sakar181 10 months ago
Religion is basically an arguement over who has the best imaginery friend, religious people are complete idiots who can't comprehend logic and reason
Runs2FukinFast 10 months ago
LOL I love how everyone that gets on his show and gets owned by him eventually starts getting all sarcastic and passive aggressive, saying "oh you're a master debator, you're always right". Hes too smart for them
jerzy862 10 months ago
OMG A WHITE GUY WHO TELLS THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPECT WHITE DUDE!!!RESPECT!!!
216CERTIFIED 10 months ago
Christians shouldn't debate a non-beliver. Intelligence will always beat religion
benniquaid 10 months ago
I love how he thanks the lord for killing his parents.
ogrish84 11 months ago
This is just AWESOME! XD
Mokurentate 11 months ago
I just shit on your jeezuss bible over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
beesleeper 11 months ago
Conservatives monopolize "justification" for war and assume that NO OTHERS besides theirs are legit. Not only that, but they think it's somehow OK for the ONE nation that's actually dropped nukes on another nation to tell OTHER nations they can't have them.
Conservative anticommunist retards were the ones having our government support all kinds of brutal dictators and monarchs in the Cold War while SOMEHOW still claiming we "support freedom." PFFT. "We" support whatever's convenient.
whoo689 11 months ago
The term "Judeo-Christian values" assumes that ONLY Jews and Christians value those things or hold those dear as morals. HA! So no other religious or nonreligious folks have them?? Please
Conservatives LOVE to monopolize everything: marriage, "values", business, etc.
whoo689 11 months ago
There's no such thing as Judeo-Christian values, just like there's no such thing as Shino, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Bahai, Wicca, Satanist or Sikh values. They are HUMAN values (the good parts of all those religions, that is). HUMANS came up with the teachings and wrote them down. ;)
whoo689 11 months ago
"God" didn't give us anything since he most likely doesn't exist! It's an invention of primitive civilizations that needed to explain what they didn't yet know or understand thanks to scientific discovery.
...And for elites to control people
whoo689 11 months ago
Tom Leykis = epic troll
cplusplusgamer 1 year ago
haha the second guy was hilarious.
NudistInTheRye 1 year ago
Actually...Genocide and Slavery are TOTALLY Christian Values. Anyone that reads the bible knows that.
But, the U.S. is a secular nation...so that "Christian values" thing is total bullshit.
undisputedgreatest 1 year ago 11
Now this is great
How did the moron not understand what Tom was saying?
PatarPuffles 1 year ago 3
Tom Leykis is Perfectly Right!!!
CaptainNemoful 1 year ago
there is somthing but its so diffrent from the god we are taught about its not even funny.
i know this because i died for a minute in 1999. its not eternity after death, more like a infinite eternal "moment" time can slow down and then it stops
regardless Tom is still god
thisgame2 1 year ago
lol retard jesusist
mikesomething 1 year ago
The original purpose of the 3/5's clause was not to count blacks as 3/5's of a human. It was to prevent the southern slave owning states from gaining too much control in the House by importing people to artificially enlarge their population and thus gaining more representation. This was done so that slavery could eventually be phased out through a legislative process. While not the only stupid remark made, it was the most glaring. Tom is either ignorant, stupid, or both.
MrAtamaK 1 year ago
I love how religious people rationalize EVERYTHING. They always have an explanation for everything, even if it's far from the truth or simply ridiculously unrealistic. Religious people [Christians especially] have such a huge ego that they cannot accept the fact that there are certain things in life that they will never know or understand. The question mark at the end of a person's natural lifetime aggravates the tiny little ignorant minds that populate a religious moron's skull.
SexSteakSoda 1 year ago 3
The caller is a fucktard !
nogogma 1 year ago
There will never be a shortage of mentally retarded believers ....
nogogma 1 year ago 2
Slavery and genocide are both OT Christian principles.
Hopeful71 1 year ago 4
cant stop laughing
khashy87 1 year ago
Not only does Leykis defend men, but he's also not a crazy religious conservative. That's rare.
SpazzzDog 1 year ago
Christians are so fucking clueless and ignorant.
agentsirus 1 year ago 9
LMAO
halboski 1 year ago
damn, tom got a point. black people was 3/5ths a man. the bible dosen't say anything on slavery
outragefanpage 1 year ago
@outragefanpage
(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
(Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
to name a few. :)
l337pwnage 1 year ago
@outragefanpage The bible condones slavery.
TheEmilio16 1 year ago
@TheEmilio16 The Bible specifically endorses slavery. In the Old and New Testament. You should read your Bible.
DarthHater100 1 year ago 2
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TheEmilio16 1 year ago
@DarthHater100 Chill out man, I'm on your side. I wrote "condone", not "condemn." Will you please direct me to some verses I can read in the Old as well as New Testament regarding slavery? I'll have to borrow a Bible though, I don't have one anymore. I don't need the Bible to know the difference between right and wrong, that's what my heart and mind are for. And I have read the entire thing, but I just can't remember it all. Thanks.
TheEmilio16 1 year ago
@TheEmilio16 Sorry man, I guess we both agree, and I should have read your post properly before opening my big mouth. Anyways, if you don't have a Bible your best bet is just to Google search for "slavery in the Bible". There's a pretty good Wikipedia article about it, which outlines everything worth mentioning. I am too lazy too go through it and find specific passages but if it is important to you, this is very easy-to-find stuff.
DarthHater100 1 year ago
@DarthHater100 I appreciate your being kind. It seems like most people want to post on here just to be argumentative. I'll check out the Wikipedia article. You're right, there is a ton of stuff on the internet about this subject, I don't mind looking it up. I'm originally from America, but I've found a more peaceful country to live in. I'm sick of all the arguing about the Founding Fathers and what they did or didn't believe, along with all the other meaningless crap people argue about. Thanks.
TheEmilio16 1 year ago
a good rush :) no offense
ebilly99 1 year ago
lol "Did God make black people 3/5ths human?"
lizardizzle 1 year ago
SEPARATION OF STATE AND RELIGION IS JUSTICE FOR ALL!
PALOMITA694 1 year ago
i can prove that there is god, want proof? go to youtube and type in tom leykis, he is god working in the interest of saving us men of a life of pain & misery, ADAM wished he had existed over 2,000 years ago.
sasquatch13ja 1 year ago
fuck religion, it is the #1 reason why people can't get fucking along, about who's god is the best or is the one true god. does it really matter? at the end of the day, it is not faith that's paying the bills or the rent/mortgage, and especially taxes or medical/dental insurance. you think hospitals give a fuck about who you pray to? all they want is money. you owe money to the I.RS., your faith is not gonna bail you out. owe back child support? god is not gonna pay it for you. wake up people.
sasquatch13ja 1 year ago 25
@sasquatch13ja religion is good for humans too. Think about Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists who dedicate their lives to helping the poor and sick. Religion really isn't that bad it's just popular to think so.
antiirony 7 months ago
If the bible was written by J. R. R. Tolkien, these stupid fuckers would be worshipping, and they'd believe in Hobbits, Elves, and Wizards. Instead they worship & believe in Angels, devils, and a bearded nut job, named Jesus. Retards!
qqqTOXICqqq 1 year ago 29
@qqqTOXICqqq noticed that all major religions were created during the days when there was no electricity, technology, planes,...etc. it was very easy back 2,000 to 3,000 years ago to brainwash people as a whole to believe in anything just to control them and manipulate them.
sasquatch13ja 1 year ago
@qqqTOXICqqq Maybe I would read the Bible if were written by Tolkien...
MultiSmartass1 2 months ago
I think Tom's Caps Lock is on :P
daxter375 1 year ago
lmao
111imstupid111 1 year ago
May the "Leykis" be with you and with you!!
TheGunKnut 1 year ago
Slavery, genocide and rape ARE Christian principals. All endorsed in the bible.
newcoyote 1 year ago
@newcoyote I would agree. Totally true.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous That's a good point.
The Ot isn't really relevent to them but they seem to think its a good idea to include both the OT and NT.
Jews don't do that. They don't take the NT which has no relation to their beliefs and combine it with the OT and say, Hey that what we put stock in.
This Ospiker guy is logically inconsistent.
He gives the impression that he doesn't beleve in a God or Jesus yet is intent on defending Chrstianity as if an adherent.
He should pick a side and argue.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
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Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung First of all, learn how to write.
Second, Indians were killed by whites at places like wounded knee.
Technically, genocide hasn't happened because there are still natives alive but it was damn close.
Lands were stolen from natives via treaties with US Govt.
It doesn't matter where else slavery was practiced, it was practiced in the US.
Stop making excuses and read some fucking history, you Nazi.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
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Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung Your syntax is off. "We didn't genocide indians" is not proper english.
I guess you are from Germany so your English is terrible as is your IQ.
You are so fucking stupid.
You fell for oldest trick in the book!
You revealed yourself as white supremacist scum.
God, you are stupid.LOL!
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
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Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung Iam a professional writer.
Iam not a filmmaker but a film critic.
Whether you can speak 13 languages is unimpressive to me.
After all, I am an American not a German like you.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1 You think you're a writer, do you? You are just some moke from Hawaii who whines and complains of whites taking over the sacred land of your ancestors. YAWN! You are probably one of those cretins who also believes capitalism exploits people, because people like yourself can't compete in a competitive society, therefore the rest of the country should lower their creative standards to the level of worthless losers like you in an effort to keep everyone equally poor.Hawaiians suck!
Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung Hahahahaha!
You're so stupid its hilarious.
Iam not a "moke" nor am I Hawaiian.
American society is not competitive-if it were, we would be living in a third world nation by now like India.
Of course, right wing Nazi's like you don't care if America becomes a third world nation so long as the rich get their tax cuts.
Capitalism works just fine-for the rich and the upper middle class.
Get a GED, Get a job, Get a life, nazi.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1 Capitalism works great for me. I don't give a rats ass about the poor. The poor need to take care of themselves. Are you jealous of the rich? I am very well off, thank you, and I no longer need a job. Wealthy individuals deserve tax breaks, WE pay the nations taxes, unlike you meaningless, mundane wage workers. Why is it with you welfare dependents or wage earners perpetually complain about the rich and their tax cuts? Next time you need a job, why don't you ask a poor person?
Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung Yes, Iam sure than selling drugs and pimping whores has paid off for you splendidly.
Iam sure that you can smoke your crack in your retirement to your heart's content.
The poor do take care of themselves around the world including in the US.
Weathly make enough money from real, working people and should pay their taxes-corporate mostly.
They don't deserve high tax breaks.
I don't need a job because Iam a writer. Like any professional person, I get work not a job.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
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Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung Hahaha! Calling me an idiot in French is not impressive considering Iam an educated professional man and intelligent.
Grow up!
Oh, Merde!
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass 1 You are an idiot in your thinking abilities(Or your lack thereof) and design. I never claimed you to be academically stupid. When you begin hurling insults at me, as in calling me a Nazi, or asking me to get a GED, that's where the stupidity begins with you. I can assure you I have far more experiences in world travel, global affairs and political affiliations then some guy writing blogs from the Internet. By the way, have you dined at Hy's? That was once a favorite of mine.
Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung I don't write blogs, blogs don't pay shit and are for unprofessionals.
I don't care about your experiences.
You stated that there was no genocide of indians and that is bullshit.
Then you started hurling ethnic slurs around and touted your hatred of indians, black people and muslims.
Don't act the victim.
You are a German racist NeoNazi type.
The real victims were in concentration camps where people like you put them.
Go back to Germany, Goebbels.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung
Good point. This guy Mult1Smartass says he doesn't use ethnic slurs; yet they are in abundance in most of his scribbling.
0spiker 1 year ago
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Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung Yes, I have a degree and I studied Literature but not Cartoons.
If I did, it would be Family Guy and I would have Stewie build a time machine to send your Nazi ass back to 1939 where it belongs.
Understand that?
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1 Wie viele Sprachen Sie können, sprechen Sie mit Geläufigkeit? Deutsch ist nur eine der vieler Sprachen ich spreche. Ich bin ein Meister von vielen Zungen. Ein echter Sprachforscher, Sie dummer amerikanischer Idiot. Wie ist die Wohlfahrtslinie, die Sie behandelt? Sie Stück der Scheiße.
Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung My German is terribly weak but you mention how you think Americans are idiots and German is your first language or something.
If you spoke French or Japanese, maybe I would get it.
But who cares? I am an American.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
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Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung What are you a UN translator?
Still, don't give a shit.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
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Moralvorstellung 1 year ago
@Moralvorstellung Still, I don't give shit sounds a bit stilted. I cut the subject out for a reason.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
Your compulsive ignorance seems to know no bounds. India is/was a third world
nation precisely because it outlawed competition, profits etc. Innovation is inextricably tied to profit. No profit, no innovation; no competition, no freedom and no wealth. If Capitalism only works for the "rich and the upper middle class" perhaps you'd be willing to trade places with a poor Mexican. Mexicans are already coming here so all you really have to do is head down there.
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker What's deal with you right wing wackos and competition? There's plenty of competition in the third world: competitition for jobs with paltry wages, competition in begging for money, competition for food.
Plenty of competition.out there in third world and the poorer areas.
Competition is not special but somehow in the business world, it supposedly is something new and special. Bullshit!
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
Wow, Poopy great argument: Call people names and pretend it's an argument.
I guess there's no way to explain to the intentionally stupid the difference between competing for jobs and competing for profits. Mexico is due south. Though you might have to "compete" with all your bretheren headed down there.
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker You mentioned competition in and of itself and I noted-accurately-that comeptition exists all over the world and is not endemic to the business world or the US.
So, competiting for jobs and profits are slight different manifestations of the same thing-competition.
In the end, competition means nothing because it is vice not a virtue.
People don't need to compete for food, clothing and shelter-they should have those by right.
Iam an American and Iam not Mexican-get it right.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
Never called you a Mexican but since you seem to have a problem with economic competition; you're welcome to go where there is non. I never mentioned competition in and of itself. Now let me see if I get this straight, you're saying competition is competition!? If by endemic you mean unique, you might have a point, but since that is not what the word means, I'm gonna say you're wrong. while people don't need to compete; market competition is essential for freedom and prosperity
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker No, You seem to think that competition is the only thing that matters.
Competition doesn't matter.
What matters are the essential: food, water, clothing, shelter.
All Humans being have a right to these things.
Do they have a right to jobs? No
Do they have a right to education? No
Bo they have a right to any and all products? Absolutely not.
That because these things as well as health care have a market value to them.
When everything has a market value then insanity reigns.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
While slavery is an unfortunate part of America's history, it wasn't one of the founding principles. Don't know where the heck he came up with that one.
TRexTurtle 1 year ago
@TRexTurtle
It depends how you want to define founding principle. Maybe there is a better word to describe it? It sure the hell was considered normal.
12 of our presidents were slave owners, 8 of them while they were in office. The US constitution of 1789 established the worth of a slave as 3/5th of a person with no right to vote.
So much for all men are created equal...
justintempler 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
God? God's laws? I did already answer the question re: the 245 mitzvot which apply to Jews. It's not clear at all how they apply to Christians. Indeed, you stumbled over the answer all on your own, bumped your head then quickly dusted yourself off and stumbled forward. Almost as if the kid who found the dead sea scrolls fell over them and was happy to find dirt. I'm still not clear on how you get "god handed down all these laws"
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
Yes it is all together likely that Jesus never existed;yet the question under consideration is what serves as the basis for Christianity; that as I stated is the belief in his death and resurrection. Note the operative word there being belief. The evidence for Jesus existence is very thin; certainly no basis for drawing REASONABLE conclusions about who he was or how he behaved. What's next? Santa doesn't exist but you think he's a swell guy?
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
Nope the OT is NOT the basis for Christianity. Even your restatement of your argument suffers from the same ignorance as you first claim; the same empty headed chatechismic recitation. The basis for Christianity is the death and purported resurrection of Jesus Christ. So what's next you don't remember saying "that the OT is the basis for Christianity" OR You thought everyone knew the death/ resurrection bit and didn't think it had to be brought up?
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker That's true but the problem is that Christians believe in the whole bible not just the NT. So, it s the fault of Christians for not adhering to the NT-nobody else.
Try talking to all these ranting, stupid preachers out there who barely graduated high school and just start a church and call themselves "Reverend".
Leave the rest of us logical and rational people alone.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
The OT is relevant to Christians because it "predicts" the coming of their messiah.
Belief in the "whole bible" hardly proves any one event in it amounts to a principle. You close with "Leave the rest of us logical and rational people alone." When you interrupt a conversation , spewing your incoherent 2 cents; one might give you the same advice. Logical and rational? Not sure how believing ethnic slurs and spelling critiques are an argument pass for either.
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker First of all, I said it reference to these "ranting" preachers, not you.
Second, if you want to talk about ethnic slurs, do so to the asshole german guy on this page and not to me because I didn't use any.
Third,the point I made is that Christians believe in the whole bible not just the NT even the NT is directly targeted at them not the OT which is intended for Jews.
It is a waste of time to put stock in the OT regardless of whether it predicts Christ's emergence or not.
Got it?
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
So you said "it in reference to "ranting" preachers and to make sure they understood
you put "it" in an unsolicited post to me.Didn't use any? If your going to deny using ethnic slurs try not putting them right before your denial. People might actually pretend to believe you. Yes Christians "believe in the whole bible" and that means what? No Christ's "fulfilment of prophecy" makes him divine. Many early Christians were Jews to begin with; so they already believed.
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker No, I have used no ethnic slurs in my post but that German guy has used them freely so talk to him about it not me. I will not talk about this further.
Secondly, are you and atheist, agnostic, christian or just confused?
Pick a side and provide logical arguments.
Otherwise, leave me and others alone.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
Pick a side? Why do the facts change when you "PICK A SIDE"? Again here we have
the question of "logical arguments" This seems to mean things like name calling and
spelling critiques to you (I want to be on the same page so we're not working at cross purposes). And again we have the "reference to ranting preachers? "Otherwise, leave me and others alone." I am an Agnostic yet in this instance I'll also have to say I'm "just confused" cont...
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker That explains it.
A lot of agnostics are wannabe religious people anyway but they have doubts and are not sure.
Agnostics want to have faith but can't.
So, that explains a lot about your uneven reasoning and your approach.
When you debate anything, you must be either affirmative or negative.
When you discuss something , it helps to examine a issue through a position.
Thus pick a side.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
Wow a crash course in drunken posting. Agnostics want to have faith but can't? Where did you get that one, Meister Eckhart? Uneven reasoning? Of course, you assume I was debating. Asking someone a question about what they're writing about and expecting them to have their facts straight is not a debate. One does not need to "PICK A SIDE" Facts don't change because you hold a particular position.
But let's get specific, how is it events in the OT are Christian principles?
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker I don't drink, Iam teetotaler unlike undisciplined people like you.
I base this not only a number of Agnostics that have called in to Tom's ask an atheist segment and tried to convinced him otherwise but the vary nature of agnostics.
They lack certainty in their intellectual and non-spiritual approach-at least the ones I have come across.
If they were certain, they'd be athiests.
Facts may not change but positions do. You are arguing both sides of the coin.
Pick a side and argue.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
So you just think as though your drunk. Ok. No I'm not arguing both sides of the coin.
If I say Marxists believe in the Dictatorship of the Proletariat that does not make me an advocate of Marxism.( Teetotaler's don't swear either;). I'm not responsible for the problems of other agnostics or for the more likely fact that you can't comprehend what they're arguing. Agnostics don't have a specific nature. Yes positions change, but the dispute is over the facts not anyone's position
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker I dont drink. Teetotalers-which Iam one of -can swear like anyone else.
Your statement was not rooted in factual logic.
If you don't like swearing , get off the fucking internet-there's plenty of it here.
People do it to release stress and I for one am not pro-censorship like you.
No one said anything about you having resposnsibility for agnostics-get real.
I wrote that was agnostics that I have heard and talked to have said.
Talk about an uptight agnostic! Relax!
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
"A lot of agnostics are wannabe religious people anyway but they have doubts and are not sure." Yet it is always Ex Atheist turns Christian that you hear about. Trading one bankrupt idea for another. Same intellectual habits; always ending in bankrupt ideas. Never understanding why.
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker Since I am not religious and I am not atheist but a deist, I don't really care about irrational people and their conversion experiences.
I feel sorry about you because you dont know where to turn like many agnostics.
Sad.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
ROTFL! It may shock you, but philosophy is not an intellectual lost and found. Nor does it provide immunity for idiotic ideas like deism. If "GOD" does not intervene in human affairs, then how would you know there is one? ah that's where the gullibility, er faith comes in. Sounds like YOU don't "know where to turn" I know exactly what I need to know. Again Deist? Atheist? Christian? Same intellectual habits.
I never mentioned any conversion experiences.
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker I don't know why you are blathering on about philosphy and God since I didn't bring up those topics in my last post.
Apparently, you need a dictionary and a brain. Athiests and Christians are not the same in any way shape or form. Christians and religious people depend on faith and belief and do not put stock in science or logic and rationality in any way shape or form. Athiests do not put any stock in faith or belief nor do they believe in the existence of a god.
Understand, moron?
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
I'm not sure how you became the topical hall monitor, but let's take a look shall we? Hmm...let's see, Poopy.I believe Deism was mentioned .You go ahead and believe any laughable idea your foolish little head can wrap itself around. "Christians and religious people",Peepee? Christians aren't religious? Interesting, and exactly which is Deism? You're Mother meant well when she said you're smart, she just didn't think you'd take her this seriously.
0spiker 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1 2 When people assert something like Christians "believe in the whole bible" they
do so to make a point (that is, to show why they think the assertion is important, meaningful or true). You did none of these. Getting back to my original question, is having your facts straight a Christian thing? I wasn't aware of that. Asking how an OT event is a Christian principle isn't defending Christianity. It did show Anon has the same intellectual habits as most Christians.
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker Go into any church ot talk to any Christian and you will find they have been propagandized to accept the bible as is-in its entirety.
Is believing in both the OT and NT valid?
From a non-religious point of view like mine, it seems entirely invalid since both collections conflict with each other as they should.
It seems like the NT is the only real valid collection for Christians but then again, that's up to them.
Chrstianity is nothing but racism and sexism to me anyway.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
I can see you've done that and come out with the wrong answer. At least your consistent. Do Christians sacrifice animals to their god? Celebrate Hanukkah?
Passover? Think Saturday is the Sabbath? Mention any other commandments other than the famous 10? Keep Kosher? Each of these relate to an OT principle; yet non are meaningful for Christians so why is the killing of all enemies except
virgins and cattle (not even a principle for the Jews) a principle for Christians?
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker What the fuck are you talking about?
I said Christians believe in the OT, I didn't say they observed all the Jewish customs in the collection.
Some Christian sects do practice the sabbath, by the way.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
I believe the operative word was "entirety", you said they "accept the bible as is-in its entirety." and earlier "Christians believe in the whole bible" Now are those things not in the bible, Poopy? Is it they believe in the customs but don't practice them? Still waiting for you to make a point. If you know how. You tell me to argue yet you don't understand what the word means. All Christians practice the Sabbath. Did you mean to say some practice it on Saturday?
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker What do you care? You call yourself an agnostic but you keep blathering on about Christianity.
Why should this have any relevance to you? Why should you care?
I made cogent and logical points and if you can't understand it that's your problem.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
Cogent? logical? Where was that? Certainly wasn't in any of your posts. It has always interested me that Atheists and Christians have the same intellectual habits while the atheist pretends he doesn't. Now who was it that said pick a side and argue. Hmm who was it that jumped into a conversation that didn't involve him and who was it that still can't muster an argument while telling everyone to do just that?
Just cause your Mother says your smart, doesn't mean you are.
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker I guess your mother thought you were a retarded bastard with shit for brains. The fact that you cannot understand my cogent and logical posts is not my fault but yours.
Why don't you get a life? Religious people are irrational and illogical. They rely on faith and belief, not fact and logic. That's the truth.
Since you are a so-called agnostic., why do you care anyway?
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous You may not "feel desperate but quoting out of context and lying about your argument certainly seem like it, but if you claim this is normal for you, I'll take your word for it.But then what does support your argument? Christians don't have the Sabbath on Saturday, don't celebrate Chanukah or Passover. What happened to the 613 commandments argument? You realized I was right but can't admit it? p.s. Perhaps you'd be less confused if you stopped replying to your own posts
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
defending? Do we go from one non sequitor to another with you? I haven't tried defending anything although I can see in your desperation that you must make accusations rather than try to prove your point. What I'm talking about is 1.) that you are wrong about what is a christian principle and 2.) that you can't even support your own argument 3.) That one can't prove a negative;
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous Deux
2.)Per Wikipedia we have "Many ... mitzvot cannot be observed now, following the destruction of the Second Temple, although they still retain religious significance. According to one standard reckoning,... 77 negative and 194 positive commandments that can be observed today. ...26 commands that apply only within the Land of Israel. So out of 613, 245 remain what's the word? [relevant?] outside of Israel. In sum 368 don't even apply to Jews much less to Christians.
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
Confused or desperate? Divorcing it from it's past? My you are desperate aren't you? You still haven't shown how you're original claim is true. You've simply change the subject and try to get me to prove it for you. As to relevance, would be nice if you quoted in context (though with your degree of desperation, I can see why you don't)
I claimed the "rest of the Mitzvot" had no relevance. Anyone other than a quote miner would 1.) know something about the subjects they raise
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
Lifted? Like you did with the enemies/virgins. The problem here is that I don't need
to have some list of "chrisitan values/principles" to recognize you're 1.) WRONG
2.) You don't even understand how to prove your point.
3.) And so far as I can tell you're incapable of realizing the latter much less remedying it.
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous 2
I must point out that the "rest of the Mitzvot" have no relevance for Christianity per se.
Now since you lack the ability to comprehend your own assertions and their meaning,
I guess it's up to me to show where they fall apart: "Gods Laws are the foundation of that religion" I severely doubt that any such thing as "God" exists so it would be extremely difficult for "Him" to have laws or for them to serve as the basis for a given religion much less for an alledged offshoot.
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
Are you for real!!? You really can't back up your assertion now you want me to do it for you!!? For the sake of argument I'll agree with your "basic rules" thesis-although if I pointed out that the 613 Mitzvot were not all in fact "brought down from Sinai" you might decide to, depending on your mood- tell me nothing in the bible has been repealed or that it was in the name of taste and profitability.
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
animal sacrifice is in the old testament. Does that prove it is a Christian principle?
0spiker 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
Well is it "christianity has simply been a continuing refinement, making the belief system more palatable and profitable as the years went on" or "jesus said that "the law is the law and shall remain so until the end of time". nowhere in the new testament does it say "god decided that all the rules he gave us, and judged us by for the past 4000 years, are now repealed" can't be both. Perhaps you need to close the catechism books. Try forming your own thoughts.
0spiker 1 year ago
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@Anonanonanonymous
Better take some Kaopectate for that verbal diarrhea. What God exactly, Mr. Angrypants? What does Christianity's attitude toward homosexuality have to do with
"kill their enemies down to the last donkey, except for the virgin girls"? How does that demonstrate the latter is a principle?
0spiker 1 year ago
It's interesting how patriarchal religions - created by men - and their male clergy all preach restrictions on sex, which goes against the apparent male agenda of casual sex. Draw your own conclusions...
quemacha 1 year ago
@quemacha
Do you go to college?
0spiker 1 year ago
@0spiker
I graduated from college 10 years ago.
quemacha 1 year ago
@quemacha
ROTFL
0spiker 1 year ago
@quemacha These are guys who are messed up.
The biggest sex crusaders are religious guys who either can't get laid or won't laid.
Or even worse have never touched a woman's tit or ass.
Anthony Comstock, for one.
These people are pathetic.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@Anonanonanonymous
Yet that says next to nothing about whether a given event in the OT became a Christian principle. Nowhere in OT does it say that killing their enemies down to the last donkey, except for the virgin girls, who are to be taken as slaves is a rule and certainly there's nowhere where judgement "of us" is based on said "rule". If it is
where in the NT do we find a similar edict or even the practice of it?
0spiker 1 year ago
THANKS A LOTT! lol!
DaCrazyJiffyLubeGuy 1 year ago
The believer never has a response to simple question when ask to give proof of their god delusions.
kwolf43 1 year ago