I just found out that SIG just licenses their logo out, finding out that SIG no longer makes weapons anymore is mine boggling. What is and who is SIG Sauer? I'm confused now??? Well I'll just recommend to anyone who owns a SIG Sauer 556 classic and wants to keep it to ditch that poor excuse for that stock, then buy the DDLE SIG 556 stock adapter. Now your options will be much better for stocks.
@Anthony5217 Yea, SIG has a fascination with constantly changing what actually comes with/on their guns. A lot of the current rifles have some "other" type of handguard and not the Swiss style handguard.
I would just stick with the sig p 226.. If you want a good piston system, go cheap with an ak, or shell out the bucks and get a scar-16 or better yet a scar-17..
What other problems are you having with the sig 556 other than the stock?
@89schlappe It's not. in fact, on several occasions right here in the comments I have recommended a quality made AR over the SIG every time. The point of this video is to show just one more aspect where SIG missed the mark. It appears that you would agree.
that has never happened to my classic... and who ever said they paid 1600 for a 1200 dollar gun, doesnt surprise me if you feel ripped off because you were...
Here's a clue; gun prices change. When the 556 Classic came out, it WAS $1600. If you didn't know that, then perhaps you had clue what this rifle was back in 2009. As of August 2011, they are $1000 or less. So now, tell me, since you "overpaid" by $200, don't you feel ripped off? Next time, please pay attention to when the video was posted and take the time to read through all the comments first. It will give you a better "perspective" from which to comment.
Man, that's a real let down. Well, with the price of labor going up in China, it looks like business are turning to our over bloated prison system for cheap labor (23 cents an hour)... But I doubt we'll allow inmates to manufacture weapons...sad days we live in.
In agreement here. I have sent my sig in 4 times for their manufacturing flaws. Canter rail, floppy stock problems, and hooded front sight replacement. While they honor their warranty I hate sig sauer for stooping to these crap business tactics. I will never ever purchase a sig product after going through this disaster.
Yeah, I'm unhappy with my SIG 556 classic stock, receiver rail, and rear take-down pin. I only spent $1000 on mine, but I feel for those who spent almost twice that because SIG USA should have never compromised their quality for quantity. If I were SIG upper management I would be embarrassed and would offer to fix the 556 errors, and thanks boricuaDV for bringing this issue to the 556 owners out there, maybe SIG will listen and redeem their reputation...NOT!!!
@ARBuilder1776 If you think glue has any place on a $1500 military pattern rifle, then I assume your castle nuts are secured with red loctite, your barrel nuts have Rocksett on them, and you think "parts is parts." That same blatant aversion to details is what makes the SIG 556 a joke amongst those of us who actually use our rifles and depend on them for self-defense.
@ARBuilder1776 looks like you are completely incapable of following any developments; one of those clowns who watches one video, reads no comments, doesn't investigate any further and thinks he knows the whole story. Your lack of any contributions whatsoever to the firearms community is telling. Aside from my Colt, DD, BCM, MP5, M14 etc., I'd even STILL trust the POS SIG over one of your glue-builds anyday. ;) Enjoy, phuckphace!
@boricuaDV Gluing it into place is actually what Sig suggests you do if you don't want to send it into them to fix it. I can't wait for your smart ass response to my comment.
@GHOSTofWAR223 Oh really? When I called SIG about this issue they wanted me to send the rifle in to them! Can't wait to hear your silly ass excuses for how this is an acceptable fix on a "combat" rifle. Swiss Arms National doesn't glue their stocks. I don't give a shit what your boys in New Hampster think is acceptable. I demand better, and I've obtained it by ditching this piece of shit.
Yep...You were right. Mine did the exact same thing. I should have watched your video before I purchased but I expected nothing less than Swiss perfection on all parts. Maybe they farmed this particular part out to some other country??? Oh well, guess my next purchase won't have a collapsible stock. Sig Screw-Up for sure.
I just purchased one of these (mfg date 2/26/2011) and I haven't snapped the folding stock onto the holder yet. It really feels like I will have to put a lot of force to get it to snap into place. Did you experience the same or did it snap into place fairly easy? Any feedback welcome.
@trunkslammer this rifle had the same resistance. Eventually it would allow it to close. Unfortunately, it sounds like your stock will exhibit this same problem.
@trunkslammer I recently had a problem with my stock also. The insert that makes it a 3 position stock broke the day I bought it. I machined a soild insert out of aluminum and it works great now. If your interested in having one I can make one for You. Contact me at erndog27@gmail.com As far as the piece that locks the collapsable stock, I am still designing a piece to replace the stock piece that Sig Sauer supplied.
What's wit the bad choice of background music? Honestly if were looking at a gun like this we don't want the music from the glock and esclade videos playing
@williamED15 Unfortunately for you, you're in the minority. You've assumed that semi-automatic rifles are the territory of hillbillies and washed-up Aerosmith wanna-be's, and it appears all of my subscribers and accompanying video votes disagree with your theorem & opinion.
I have a question. Would it be worth buying one of these rifles and going to Colorado Gun Sales.com to convert the rifle to SG 551 or SG 550 specifications?
@WenchesOfRedemption personally, I wouldn't go that route. You'd be spending around $2k, and you would still be stuck with the American barrel, receiver/specs and internals. They might be functional, or you might be one of the guys who gets bolt carrier impact damage/peening on the trunion, gets the threads stipped out on the top of the receiver, or gets a barrel that just can't shoot worth beans. After trying all the different 5.56 rifles, my opinion is a good AR is the best choice.
Thanks for the info! Now I know to steer clear of these Sig556s! I wish Papa Bush didn't ban the Sig 550 and the 551 back in '89. If he didn't, I'd definitely get an original Swiss one.
Looks like I'll check out the AR-15. I'm looking at Olympic Arms since I'm on a budget.
i told my self ied only get on of the 556s if i found on with an M4 stock (i did) i HATE the cheap one that comes with it...i love my 556 tho best of both words ak and ar
It's business. Built cheaper for more profit. All company's now-a-days make high dollar junk. Plastic parts made for a nickle and sold as "Modern Design" or "High Tech" for a few hundred bucks.
so besides the folding stock issue would you remomend this rifle... i wanna use my tax return to get a gas piston 556 rifle that takes stang mags. i am leaning towards a 556 or 516.
i was looking at one of these today... and the one i saw had a different 'charging' lever.. it was that round nob pull-out type... is one style 'better' than the other?... im looking for a 'end of the world' type battle rifle... say everything ends tomorrow... ive got $1,500 and i can buy 1 rifle, what would it be..? i know ak's are renown for being 'tuff' but i'd like to keep it in .223 size...
@GeorgeNada1 Honestly, for what you want, I would buy a top-shelf AR15. I think a Colt 6920, Daniel Defense M4 (any version), Spikes Tactical, or BCM rifle with an Aimpoint M2/ML2 would be the all-around best choice. AR parts are everywhere, and you can customize them as much as you want/need. If you look around you should be able to get any of these rifles plus the Aimpoint within your price range.
@boricuaDV thanks.. ill check them out... ive owned a handfull of guns.. but never a 'battle rifle' style and i dont really know much about them... if i do get an ar15 what are the common 'problems'...? the guy at the gun shop was almost saying the sig was 'better' because it didnt have the 'piston' thing that the ar had and some other stuff i didnt understand, and acted like i would never have to buy replacement parts... it also had the higer price tag so i understand his 'over-hype'....?..
Most of the kinks of the AR platform have been worked out. Take care of the gun, keep it lubed, and it will take care of you. For your first AR platform rifle, you're best looking at the the following brands, in no particular order: BCM (Bravo Company), LMT, Colt, Daniel Defense. There are some more expensive models like Noveske and Knight's, but the previous ones will serve you well, and are well built enough to take some serious abuse if they were forced into such a role.
@opmike343 Absolutely! After having owned many different types of rifles, I wholeheartedly believe that a top quality AR15 is still the best choice. In fact, I have consolidated my 5.56mm rifles down to just ARs.
I have seen several people have problems with this and they glued it. Problem solved. However, it is kind of ridiculous that a gun this expensive has such a simple problem.
i out shot a bushmaster a while back against my friend whom just so happens to be an ex cop. well this gun is great. the extra front weight of the gun really allowed me to stay on paper and finish faster as well. he just might have been having an off day but i think i just beat him fair and square. i have fed 1,000 rounds of ammo through this weapon in under an hour of monarch steel and not one ftf or fte. i dont know about yall but reliability is 100 percent. atleast for me. this weapon rocks!!
@psycho26shon to be fair, the Bushmaster is far from an ideal sample of an AR15. I would extrapolate that if the SIG were to go against a properly maintained Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, Spikes, or Novekse, that the AR would have held its own and surprised a lot of the non-believers. IN my experience, the higher level ARs perform much better that folks are led on to believe. Your mileage may vary...
@boricuaDV yes i understand that a bushmaster is the middle of the road ar but stilll as many ppl who dis the sig 556 are ar owners. i was just giving my experience with the ar against a sig 556. it will not always turn out this way but i was just saying for me this weapon is very reliable and accurate. i know they had problems with qc but my rifle is bad ass . not dissing just just saying
That stock is really easy to break too. If you encounter a jam where the casing splits, which is rare, but suddenly find the need to "mortar" the rifle on the ground, you will most likely break the stock. I had that exact thing happened to me, and I broke mine with 2 hits. Got the case out luckily, but had to replace the stock. Everything else is pretty good though. No other issues. Btw, I'm 10 years Army and as many times as I have mortared an M4 on the ground, never came close to breaking it.
interesting video. i'm look into the ruger sr 556 for my next rifle. i like it because of the style, what it come with and most of all it is piston instead of direct gas. i've heard about extraction problems but i'd like you take on it. let me know if you're thinking about it
With over 20 years of shooting and 10 years of shooting the AR15, I have come to the realization that a high quality, direct gas AR15 is the best all-around choice. Piston AR15s introduce other problems into the system; carrier tilt, more moving parts, proprietary components, heavier front-end weight, and decreased accuracy. For reference, at the present time you can get a Colt for ~$1100. Bravo Company and Daniel Defense would also be great choices. They all will be sustainable into the future.
. I carried the 551 for 2 years and I love the gun. I custom built my 556 with a 551 lower with as many Swiss parts I could without violating the 922r compliancy. I sold it in 2008.
The gun was no 551 that’s for sure and trying to maximize profits while sacrificing quality hurt the gun. As far as the rifle being picked up and used by LE agencies? Less that 1% of the LE market before 2008 were even using 551’s or 552’s. They are a fantastic battle rifle, but cost and other issues made it not such a favorite with departments. As far as the 556, there are agencies in the US using them. How many I have no idea. I left in December of 2007. I will say this.
@GENODELMAROATL if its that cheap it probably has some issues they kick the shit out of any ar you could get for that price, the guy also could be strapped for cash and needs to off load it now
If that is the only serious issue with it, I would not worry too much about as long as it shoots reliably. The upside is they make one with the AR style stock which I prefer.
Fittings for the upper and lower front hand guards on my factory new Sig 556 classic have enough play to make the gun rattle when it's handled. A bit surprising given Sig's reputation for quality.
Fittings for the upper and lower front hand guards on my factory new Sig 556 classic have enough play to make the gun rattle when it's handled. A bit surprising given Sig's reputation for quality.
all rifles have some issue.. doesn't matter if it is swiss made, US made or chinese made. i remember in early 80's bushmaster had tons of issues with reliability of their ARs.. i know i had a few. having said that.. i have both sig and bunch of ARs.. and i like my AR more than the sig..
While it's true that any firearm has its own faults, it is also true that Swiss Arms National refused SIGArms a license to make the 550 series in the states. They didn't believe that SIGArms in new Hampshire could hold to the standards of manufacturing, and it turns out they were right! Now that SIGArms is now officially "SIG SAUER" they should be able to get the right engineering and manufacturing techniques to make this rifle a serious competitor, but they don't...
@boricuaDV Your way off on this. I worked for Sig Arms as the Special Weapons Coordinator during the time the 556 was being produced and all I'm going to say on this is that your statement is incorrect on all levels
@SINBAD396 Then maybe you'd like to explain how you guys arrived at canted rails and why SIG's fix was to shave it down and bevel it rather than fix the receiver. Tell us where this POS furniture and ITac accessories are made. Maybe explain the bolt carrier issue and why grinding the carrier is acceptable as a fix. Tell us why the SIG included magazine is so stellar. Tell us the story of Matt McLearn and the GSR. Maybe then you can help to start saving SIG's lost reputation...
@boricuaDVI have no desire to rebuild Sigs reputation when it comes to the problems with the first generation of the 556 or how it wishes to conduct it business. As I no longer work there, I do still work in the industry and airing out the dirty laundry of one past employer is not something I neither support nor wish to do. My post to you was to correct the statement made by you regarding San Swiss’s involvement with approving whether or not Sig could build the 556.
@SINBAD396 The 556 is not a 550, 551, or 552. What I'm saying is that Swiss Arms national would not allow you guys to make THOSE rifles, so you arrived at the 556. Make no mistake, the 556 you guys delivered was not exactly what your customers wanted. Unable to make 550, 551 and 552s, you guys released an AR-SIG abomination.Your rifle didn't exactly set the world on fire. How many LE agencies are using the 556? How many contracts was it awarded? How SUCCESSFUL is it?
@boricuaDV We just changed the nomenclature of the model. Swiss Arms was involved with the build to a certain level. The decision to do the build using a standard NATO AR lower was just logical. There are hundreds of thousands of AR magazines in the US and making the US market buy proprietary magazines was neither logical nor cost effective. The rifle did set the world on fire out of the gate, but what do you want me to say?
@boricuaDV I was very excited when I heard they were going to produce the sig 550 in semi auto in the US. But then they came out with this abortion instead of a nice version of the 550. An ar type lower, a crappy stock, and other problems. It could have been the sweetest rifle ever, but instead it's not.
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams that's exactly my point. AR15 magazines are perhaps the weakest magazines of any military rifle. Designing a rifle to accomodate them is a step backwards, not forwards. SIG's marketing did not listen to the customer base that wanted a 550. Instead they gave us the abortion. That said, I think a quality AR15 is still the dominant force. I tried the Classic b/c it looked closer to the 550 that I wanted, but SIG's lil' surprises pissed me off.
@boricuaDV It is such a shame. maybe someday they will come out with the real thing in semi, or maybe Ron Paul will get elected Pres and reverse the EO banning the import of the semi 550.
@frontier1701 when the Customer Service rep told me that the new stocks were no longer Swiss made, but "outsourced" I was really turned off. Also, the bolt hold-open latch wasn't working properly, so I traded the rifle for an MSAR STG556 and haven't looked back. This 556 Classic was the last SIG I'll ever buy.
I could tolerate that on an airsoft gun but not from a $1,000+ Sig rifle. What a joke. BTW this is not the first review that shows this flaw, so its not a freak occurrence. The stock design is troubled.
Hmmm, no matter how "easy" the fix is,coming from Sig, $1600 SHOULD assure the buyer that what they bought is near perfection and no unreasonable (even small) problem will occur. This shows that that is not the case, which is simply intolerable for a real firearm. It isn't just this one instance of finding a cheap part, but it hints at other things about the manufacture, maybe there are other small problems with the gun, and maybe just ONE of those makes the difference between life and death.
Wow, if that's all there is to complain about your sig than I'm buying.
1st of all: You're a dumbass with no mechanical ability because this is an easy issue to fix. Why did you put a video up showing that your plastic latch comes out? Just fix it stupid. In the time you posted this video this issue could be resolved. I'm a M1A guy because I'm super picky but this is nothing to blow your horn about....
@187LEX1 Obviously, you have no idea who I am, or why you even have the luxury of watching this stuff on YouTube right now. Furthrmore, you must know nothing about the SIG 550 series, or you'd know that this cheap, made in China stock assembly is unacceptable and completely uncharacteristic of the SIG name. If you think these are the only issues stemming from the American-made 556, then please, go spend $1600 on one of these and find them out for yourself! Now, Mr. Expert, go piss off.
@boricuaDV I'm shocked that Sig would put any component on their guns that was made in China. China pretty much makes inferior quality products. Have you shot your sig and if so have you had any problems or malfunctions other than the stack? I hope sig is not outsourcing any internal components inside their rifles or handguns. If they start doing that their name will be ruined in very short time. Thanks for the info.
@MrVideoh actually 1600 $ is quite cheap. In switzerland i pay 3200 $ for a swiss made 553 SOW. So i wouldn't expect a 1600 $ 556 to have "swiss made" quality.
I've "raped" my service weapon (550) for over a year and never had problem, no matter how cold, hot, wet or sandy it was... neither have I ever heard of any problem with the stock of the 550
well, everyone knows that Switzerland is one of the most expensive countries to live in. The average salary is also much higher than it is in the US (Compare $45k US to $69k ) Nobody is saying the 550 isn't a quality rifle. It's that the SIG 556 isn't up to the same standards as the 550. There are a LOT of options on the American market that can be had for $1600, and they are almost all higher quality than the 556.
@diverseent the Classic SWAT rifles still have the Chinese/Israeli stock. The problem is not the handguard, it's the execution of the latch in the stock. The price difference covers the railed forend and the included diopter sight. The stock is the same.
@boricuaDV maybe i should have specified i have a real swat. not a classic. thats why i mention the price bump. damn your fast with the comments. lol i just left that like one video ago. anywho nice gun, but for my money i like the swats better and even better so the Non-Classic ones. if you want a SBR get the pistol version if not get the rifle. you cant have both, but once again jsut my .02 but i do agree with you on the note of the quality control issue, no matter what model you should have.
@diverseent The thing is, those of us that are/were drawn to the Classic are those of us who wanted a 551 clone, not an AR15 mix. In my opinion, the buffer tube and AR style stock has no place on this rifle. Like the description of this video says, they finally got the configuration right, but they screwed up by giving the world cheap furniture. I was very excited about the 556 until I saw what they were doing to it. For me, the 556 has been the biggest firearms letdown in the past 20 years.
@boricuaDV then why not go out and get a 551? i liked the older models alot, but this is where its at now, and i dont have many fueds with the design,but guns change and i for one like the way it looks, and as far as AR15. i mean they share a resemblance but, the difference is the guys at the range that have 20 AR15s stare and look gasping as whats in my hands, and walk up to me asking me what it is and how much i payed, to which both answers get a gasp and then they walk away sadly.
@diverseent I think you answered your own question. For 99% of shooters, the $8k+ for a real SIG 551 is simply not feasible, considering most probably drive vehicles that are less valuable than that.
@diverseent I have seen SG 551 conversions (using 556 uppers) for that price, but not real Swiss 551s for that price. The lowest I've seen a Swiss SIG 551has been around $7k.
@SmokeRises It isn't just looks....the original sig folding stock on the 550 series are arguably the best folding stocks ever made for a battle rifle. So why did SigArms make this cheap imitation of their own product? I heard that there was also an issue with their recievers coming apart some time back. Clearly, Sig Sauer of Switzerland needs to send some troubleshooters stateside to clean house to keep the quality at a level expected from Sig.
I checked the reviews for this weapon and it looks like a better alternative to the AR-15. I checked one out at a gun shop in Florida, and noticed the fore end grip had some noticeable slack. It would slide back and forth on the barrel. Does any one else notice this or could it be just with the one I was examining?
@hkrivell Every SIG 556 I've handled had cheap, rattling furniture. You can replace it with real Swiss furniture, but it's gonna cost you a few hundred bucks.
No offense or anything but for just picking the gun up last night the foam in your case is pretty worn. Just curious because it didn't look like the gun had been through too much but any explanations on that? I'm fixing to buy the 556 RL Holo went and shot it last week 60 consecutive rounds through it no break took the bolt out, and it was cold as ice. Can't name many rifles that can do that. Also has no barrel jump, not to mention ejects cases harder than almost any gun I've seen.
@fisher1112 SIG ships these rifles in crappy plastic shell cases with cheap cell foam interiors. The charging handles dig into the cheap cell foam and destroy the case during shiping. That's SIG's "To Hell and Back" claim :P
@fisher1112 My foam had the same wear marks (TEARS) that this vid shows from shipping my 556 Pistol I just go. Also the foam was supposed to be glued into the box...and it never made contact with the box, before the glue dried. I sure hope the weapon proves to be better then what it was shipped in!
So far I've noticed the flat-top scope mount dose not quite line up with the swat fore grip...it's about a fat 1/8 off. We will see if this is a keeper after it has a few rounds through it!
hey im only 13 and i know ur a dumbass ur not suppost to fold the stock over and over again i have this gun and im very pleased with it still wats the problem it goes back in sereously who cares! :Dumbass
@theairsoftsniper1011 It is obvious that you have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about. This is a real rifle, NOT AN AIRSOFT POS. The stock is meant to be used, over and over again. That's why it is a folder. I highly suggest that next time you think of commenting on someone's video, you stop and think about whether this is an airsoft gun or a real gun. You're 13 years old. That means I've been shooting real guns longer than you've been alive.
Well this seems to be happening to me quite often. I just bought a SIG 556(non-classic version) because I wanted a SIG 552 really bad for years, so I thought I would fulfill my wanting by buying this Rifle due the 552 not being available for obvious reasons. Now the census here puts the SIG 556 in bad favor, but
Sig 556 is complete garbage. Why anyone would throw away $1600 on this weapon when there are so many better options is beyond me. The fact that Sig is willing to put their name on this rifle shows what has become of Sig. Complete disregard to quality. I am not surprised to hear reports of their pistols declining quality either. At this point I would never buy a Sig product.
This isn't an issue of whether or not it can be fixed, it's an issue of spending $1600 on a rifle only to find that the stock is a poorly made POS. In order to replace it you'll spend $300. This is a warning that should be heeded by anyone getting ready to drop that kind of cheddar on a rifle.
A brand new Sig like is demonstrating will do that till the folder latch gets broken in. It is not a big deal, rather it lock hard on the fore end than pop off all the time. At least they had the fore though to make it a folder very cool. Great weapon!
You've GOT to be kidding? Forethought? If they had the forethought they would have introduced it with the real Swiss folding stock back in 2007. Here we are, 3 years later, and they finally release a folding stock, but it turns out to be a complete POS. This Israeli copy flat out sucks and SIG knows it. They are using a cheap stock so that they can make more profit on the rifles. Plain and simple.
SIG clearly doesn't take this rifle seriously, and for that reason, neither do I.
"SIG clearly doesn't take this rifle seriously, and for that reason, neither do I. "
Well said, pretty much sums up the entire 556 line from what I can tell. At this price point, you can find some quality and SERIOUS, tough as nails, fighting carbines that will be loyal to hell and back.
@toxicfire83 Just a stock? What are you going to do when that Israeli POS falls off the rifle? Shoot from the hip? Anyone who is serious about using this rifle for defense or SHTH replaces it with the $300 Swiss stock. If you find yourself surrounded with money, then have at it. Personally, I think it is pathetic for a rifle of this price point to have a POS stock.
Ive had the BRD disease for a while but am trying to find a new weapon to start to play with. Do you know of a website or anywhere I can find more info on the SCAR? I seen a couple videos on it as well and it looks sweet. ive heard to much in the last 15 mins to turn me from the SIG.
a Googel search for "FN SCAR" will likely turn up enough info to make you dizzy and/or puke. I'm not really a fan of the SCAR, but I just wanted to point out that $1900 for a "proper" SIG puts you in the price bracket as the SCAR. When you compare the two, the SIG is old technology. I'm just sayin...
@toxicfire83 No, not really Take a $1600 SIG 556 made with no attention to detail, replace the POS furniture with real Swiss furniture and you're at $2000. That IS SCAR territory.
@toxicfire83 No, not really. Take a $1600 SIG 556 made with no attention to detail, replace the POS furniture with real Swiss furniture and you're at $2000. That IS SCAR territory.
@jpwarren327 No, I believe that button you're referring to is to disassemble to stock assembly. I no longer have this rifle though, so I can't be sure. The only buttons I remember were the folder, the retracting button and the stock disassembly slider.
You see, thats not his issue, his issue is that you pay high price for a "High quality" gun, which turns out not high quality, and with faults. I expect the same from a SIG, but I'm not into the Classic series...
And being Sig556 now, there are no issues, except an occasional Bad foregrip that breaks, which is still scary. Rumor has it, Sig556 foregrip broke on a small drop, which is an issue.
I'd really expect more from company like Sig. Although the ones I see in the gun stores lately have the AR style telescoping stocks so maybe they've realized this weakness and have gone to a new configuration all together.
I actually looked at one of these today while at the store buying shotshells. They're sexy rifles.
American made with lazy labor! The Swiss rifles are way better. The 556 is an overpriced and heavy rifle. I am not saying it is garbage, just trying to bring you Sig 556 fans back to Earth.
You make a good point, ever since I got out of the millltary and started working with civilians, I notice they are lazy and complain they don't make enuff money. we start working hard and start becoming the industial power we were back in WWII days.
Do you know whether or not this problem is corrected by SIG? Please kindly reply.
Also, a premier US manufacturer said to me in-person that if all hell break loose, it will be the FAL and the SIG 556 that he will choose. Why do you think the SIG outshines the M16 variety? Isn't the gas system pretty much a modified AK similar to the Belgian FNC, and the Italian Baretta? So, why this weapon is superior above the M16 variety and others that are also modified AK gas system rifles? Please reply.
I'm afraid I don't know if SIG has fixed this or not. I got rid of this rifle and did not try to get another SIG.
A lot of people have preferences for one rifle or another, and different reasons for choosing them. I would take an M16 or AK style weapon over the 556 b/c when all hell breaks loose, you can't send your rifle back to get it fixed. With the AR and AK, they are the most common military rifles so parts and repairs are much easier to obtain. Both AR & AK have never let me down...
Geez! That speaks volumes! Did you see that the January '10 issue of the NRA RIFLEMAN reviews the SIG556? Bet sales and price go up. Very timely commentary. Thanks.
It has a side folding stock, unlike the M16, and it also has a 1/7 twist to stablize heavier bullets such as the 75 and 77 grains. But the biggest "improvement" is the gas system, which allows the bolt to run cleaner and longer.
Southern661: If the gas system is the heart of this rifle, then why not buy the Ruger 556? It has the same thing, and we are buying American rifle so your money goes to support American workers.
I just found out that SIG just licenses their logo out, finding out that SIG no longer makes weapons anymore is mine boggling. What is and who is SIG Sauer? I'm confused now??? Well I'll just recommend to anyone who owns a SIG Sauer 556 classic and wants to keep it to ditch that poor excuse for that stock, then buy the DDLE SIG 556 stock adapter. Now your options will be much better for stocks.
Garduus 3 months ago
go with HK!
greenleafkratom 4 months ago
Thank you, was the price fair?
Anthony5217 5 months ago
I just got one brand new in the box 2009 model. I paid $800 but the hand stock looks more modern?
Anthony5217 5 months ago
@Anthony5217 Yea, SIG has a fascination with constantly changing what actually comes with/on their guns. A lot of the current rifles have some "other" type of handguard and not the Swiss style handguard.
boricuaDV 5 months ago
My 522 never did this. I would just glue it on. Still pretty lame....
Gunsforfreedom 5 months ago
I would just stick with the sig p 226.. If you want a good piston system, go cheap with an ak, or shell out the bucks and get a scar-16 or better yet a scar-17..
What other problems are you having with the sig 556 other than the stock?
G3TGh0sT 5 months ago
How is this better than an AR? It's an expensive piece of crap! That's what it is.
89schlappe 6 months ago
@89schlappe It's not. in fact, on several occasions right here in the comments I have recommended a quality made AR over the SIG every time. The point of this video is to show just one more aspect where SIG missed the mark. It appears that you would agree.
boricuaDV 6 months ago
@boricuaDV im getting a sig :)
arnoldnavarro21 2 months ago
that has never happened to my classic... and who ever said they paid 1600 for a 1200 dollar gun, doesnt surprise me if you feel ripped off because you were...
CHARBONGER 6 months ago
Here's a clue; gun prices change. When the 556 Classic came out, it WAS $1600. If you didn't know that, then perhaps you had clue what this rifle was back in 2009. As of August 2011, they are $1000 or less. So now, tell me, since you "overpaid" by $200, don't you feel ripped off? Next time, please pay attention to when the video was posted and take the time to read through all the comments first. It will give you a better "perspective" from which to comment.
boricuaDV 6 months ago
Man, that's a real let down. Well, with the price of labor going up in China, it looks like business are turning to our over bloated prison system for cheap labor (23 cents an hour)... But I doubt we'll allow inmates to manufacture weapons...sad days we live in.
illincrux 6 months ago
In agreement here. I have sent my sig in 4 times for their manufacturing flaws. Canter rail, floppy stock problems, and hooded front sight replacement. While they honor their warranty I hate sig sauer for stooping to these crap business tactics. I will never ever purchase a sig product after going through this disaster.
Grutch 8 months ago
Yeah, I'm unhappy with my SIG 556 classic stock, receiver rail, and rear take-down pin. I only spent $1000 on mine, but I feel for those who spent almost twice that because SIG USA should have never compromised their quality for quantity. If I were SIG upper management I would be embarrassed and would offer to fix the 556 errors, and thanks boricuaDV for bringing this issue to the 556 owners out there, maybe SIG will listen and redeem their reputation...NOT!!!
Garduus 8 months ago
glue..problem solved.
ARBuilder1776 9 months ago
Remind me not to buy an AR build from this guy! ;)
boricuaDV 9 months ago
@boricuaDV I don't sell them to people who can't even solve the most basic of problems.
ARBuilder1776 9 months ago
@ARBuilder1776 If you think glue has any place on a $1500 military pattern rifle, then I assume your castle nuts are secured with red loctite, your barrel nuts have Rocksett on them, and you think "parts is parts." That same blatant aversion to details is what makes the SIG 556 a joke amongst those of us who actually use our rifles and depend on them for self-defense.
boricuaDV 9 months ago
@boricuaDV LOL all that coming from a guy who spent $1500 on a rifle he admits is "a joke" which only proves your an idiot.
Good luck defending yourself with that $1500 piece of shit.
ARBuilder1776 9 months ago
@ARBuilder1776 looks like you are completely incapable of following any developments; one of those clowns who watches one video, reads no comments, doesn't investigate any further and thinks he knows the whole story. Your lack of any contributions whatsoever to the firearms community is telling. Aside from my Colt, DD, BCM, MP5, M14 etc., I'd even STILL trust the POS SIG over one of your glue-builds anyday. ;) Enjoy, phuckphace!
boricuaDV 9 months ago
@boricuaDV Gluing it into place is actually what Sig suggests you do if you don't want to send it into them to fix it. I can't wait for your smart ass response to my comment.
GHOSTofWAR223 9 months ago
@GHOSTofWAR223 Oh really? When I called SIG about this issue they wanted me to send the rifle in to them! Can't wait to hear your silly ass excuses for how this is an acceptable fix on a "combat" rifle. Swiss Arms National doesn't glue their stocks. I don't give a shit what your boys in New Hampster think is acceptable. I demand better, and I've obtained it by ditching this piece of shit.
boricuaDV 9 months ago
@GHOSTofWAR223 ah nevermind. I just saw your comment history and it looks like you're just another racist piece of moronic shit. Enjoy your blockage!
boricuaDV 9 months ago
Yep...You were right. Mine did the exact same thing. I should have watched your video before I purchased but I expected nothing less than Swiss perfection on all parts. Maybe they farmed this particular part out to some other country??? Oh well, guess my next purchase won't have a collapsible stock. Sig Screw-Up for sure.
trunkslammer 10 months ago
I just purchased one of these (mfg date 2/26/2011) and I haven't snapped the folding stock onto the holder yet. It really feels like I will have to put a lot of force to get it to snap into place. Did you experience the same or did it snap into place fairly easy? Any feedback welcome.
trunkslammer 10 months ago
@trunkslammer this rifle had the same resistance. Eventually it would allow it to close. Unfortunately, it sounds like your stock will exhibit this same problem.
boricuaDV 10 months ago
@trunkslammer I recently had a problem with my stock also. The insert that makes it a 3 position stock broke the day I bought it. I machined a soild insert out of aluminum and it works great now. If your interested in having one I can make one for You. Contact me at erndog27@gmail.com As far as the piece that locks the collapsable stock, I am still designing a piece to replace the stock piece that Sig Sauer supplied.
27erndog 9 months ago
What's wit the bad choice of background music? Honestly if were looking at a gun like this we don't want the music from the glock and esclade videos playing
williamED15 10 months ago
@williamED15 Unfortunately for you, you're in the minority. You've assumed that semi-automatic rifles are the territory of hillbillies and washed-up Aerosmith wanna-be's, and it appears all of my subscribers and accompanying video votes disagree with your theorem & opinion.
boricuaDV 10 months ago
@boricuaDV
I have a question. Would it be worth buying one of these rifles and going to Colorado Gun Sales.com to convert the rifle to SG 551 or SG 550 specifications?
WenchesOfRedemption 10 months ago
@WenchesOfRedemption personally, I wouldn't go that route. You'd be spending around $2k, and you would still be stuck with the American barrel, receiver/specs and internals. They might be functional, or you might be one of the guys who gets bolt carrier impact damage/peening on the trunion, gets the threads stipped out on the top of the receiver, or gets a barrel that just can't shoot worth beans. After trying all the different 5.56 rifles, my opinion is a good AR is the best choice.
boricuaDV 10 months ago
@boricuaDV
Thanks for the info! Now I know to steer clear of these Sig556s! I wish Papa Bush didn't ban the Sig 550 and the 551 back in '89. If he didn't, I'd definitely get an original Swiss one.
Looks like I'll check out the AR-15. I'm looking at Olympic Arms since I'm on a budget.
WenchesOfRedemption 10 months ago
i told my self ied only get on of the 556s if i found on with an M4 stock (i did) i HATE the cheap one that comes with it...i love my 556 tho best of both words ak and ar
southerner985 11 months ago
I love how the background music is J Dilla's Man's World.
maxcavalera4380 1 year ago
It's business. Built cheaper for more profit. All company's now-a-days make high dollar junk. Plastic parts made for a nickle and sold as "Modern Design" or "High Tech" for a few hundred bucks.
RobotCrimeSpree 1 year ago
haven't had this problem yet
TheRumgee 1 year ago
so besides the folding stock issue would you remomend this rifle... i wanna use my tax return to get a gas piston 556 rifle that takes stang mags. i am leaning towards a 556 or 516.
dp665 1 year ago
i was looking at one of these today... and the one i saw had a different 'charging' lever.. it was that round nob pull-out type... is one style 'better' than the other?... im looking for a 'end of the world' type battle rifle... say everything ends tomorrow... ive got $1,500 and i can buy 1 rifle, what would it be..? i know ak's are renown for being 'tuff' but i'd like to keep it in .223 size...
GeorgeNada1 1 year ago
@GeorgeNada1 Honestly, for what you want, I would buy a top-shelf AR15. I think a Colt 6920, Daniel Defense M4 (any version), Spikes Tactical, or BCM rifle with an Aimpoint M2/ML2 would be the all-around best choice. AR parts are everywhere, and you can customize them as much as you want/need. If you look around you should be able to get any of these rifles plus the Aimpoint within your price range.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV thanks.. ill check them out... ive owned a handfull of guns.. but never a 'battle rifle' style and i dont really know much about them... if i do get an ar15 what are the common 'problems'...? the guy at the gun shop was almost saying the sig was 'better' because it didnt have the 'piston' thing that the ar had and some other stuff i didnt understand, and acted like i would never have to buy replacement parts... it also had the higer price tag so i understand his 'over-hype'....?..
GeorgeNada1 1 year ago
@GeorgeNada1
Most of the kinks of the AR platform have been worked out. Take care of the gun, keep it lubed, and it will take care of you. For your first AR platform rifle, you're best looking at the the following brands, in no particular order: BCM (Bravo Company), LMT, Colt, Daniel Defense. There are some more expensive models like Noveske and Knight's, but the previous ones will serve you well, and are well built enough to take some serious abuse if they were forced into such a role.
opmike343 1 year ago
@opmike343 Absolutely! After having owned many different types of rifles, I wholeheartedly believe that a top quality AR15 is still the best choice. In fact, I have consolidated my 5.56mm rifles down to just ARs.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
Hey man Just add a dot of glue and put the latch back in it's place. My have been over looked by Sig but it is a simple fix.
MrClint2011 1 year ago
@MrClint2011
I have seen several people have problems with this and they glued it. Problem solved. However, it is kind of ridiculous that a gun this expensive has such a simple problem.
Plur307 1 year ago
i out shot a bushmaster a while back against my friend whom just so happens to be an ex cop. well this gun is great. the extra front weight of the gun really allowed me to stay on paper and finish faster as well. he just might have been having an off day but i think i just beat him fair and square. i have fed 1,000 rounds of ammo through this weapon in under an hour of monarch steel and not one ftf or fte. i dont know about yall but reliability is 100 percent. atleast for me. this weapon rocks!!
psycho26shon 1 year ago
@psycho26shon to be fair, the Bushmaster is far from an ideal sample of an AR15. I would extrapolate that if the SIG were to go against a properly maintained Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, Spikes, or Novekse, that the AR would have held its own and surprised a lot of the non-believers. IN my experience, the higher level ARs perform much better that folks are led on to believe. Your mileage may vary...
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV yes i understand that a bushmaster is the middle of the road ar but stilll as many ppl who dis the sig 556 are ar owners. i was just giving my experience with the ar against a sig 556. it will not always turn out this way but i was just saying for me this weapon is very reliable and accurate. i know they had problems with qc but my rifle is bad ass . not dissing just just saying
psycho26shon 1 year ago
Is it possible to change the original stock on a gun with a folding stock? If so, how?
strykarr 1 year ago
That stock is really easy to break too. If you encounter a jam where the casing splits, which is rare, but suddenly find the need to "mortar" the rifle on the ground, you will most likely break the stock. I had that exact thing happened to me, and I broke mine with 2 hits. Got the case out luckily, but had to replace the stock. Everything else is pretty good though. No other issues. Btw, I'm 10 years Army and as many times as I have mortared an M4 on the ground, never came close to breaking it.
ChopperDoc181 1 year ago
interesting video. i'm look into the ruger sr 556 for my next rifle. i like it because of the style, what it come with and most of all it is piston instead of direct gas. i've heard about extraction problems but i'd like you take on it. let me know if you're thinking about it
BlkHorse212 1 year ago
With over 20 years of shooting and 10 years of shooting the AR15, I have come to the realization that a high quality, direct gas AR15 is the best all-around choice. Piston AR15s introduce other problems into the system; carrier tilt, more moving parts, proprietary components, heavier front-end weight, and decreased accuracy. For reference, at the present time you can get a Colt for ~$1100. Bravo Company and Daniel Defense would also be great choices. They all will be sustainable into the future.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
. I carried the 551 for 2 years and I love the gun. I custom built my 556 with a 551 lower with as many Swiss parts I could without violating the 922r compliancy. I sold it in 2008.
SINBAD396 1 year ago
The gun was no 551 that’s for sure and trying to maximize profits while sacrificing quality hurt the gun. As far as the rifle being picked up and used by LE agencies? Less that 1% of the LE market before 2008 were even using 551’s or 552’s. They are a fantastic battle rifle, but cost and other issues made it not such a favorite with departments. As far as the 556, there are agencies in the US using them. How many I have no idea. I left in December of 2007. I will say this.
SINBAD396 1 year ago
no its at a gun store in ga
brand new with red dot are the one with 3 views
do you think 556 ammo will kill a deer
GENODELMAROATL 1 year ago
i can buy one of thoses for 899 is it wort it
or go with a ar15
GENODELMAROATL 1 year ago
@GENODELMAROATL if its that cheap it probably has some issues they kick the shit out of any ar you could get for that price, the guy also could be strapped for cash and needs to off load it now
TheKentuckykid9513 1 year ago
Damn that gun is so sexy!
greddy0513 1 year ago
What I'd like to know, is what the heck you did with the gun to tear up the foam liner in the case?
iplural 1 year ago
If that is the only serious issue with it, I would not worry too much about as long as it shoots reliably. The upside is they make one with the AR style stock which I prefer.
makun16 1 year ago
Fittings for the upper and lower front hand guards on my factory new Sig 556 classic have enough play to make the gun rattle when it's handled. A bit surprising given Sig's reputation for quality.
tonybyorick58 1 year ago
Fittings for the upper and lower front hand guards on my factory new Sig 556 classic have enough play to make the gun rattle when it's handled. A bit surprising given Sig's reputation for quality.
tonybyorick58 1 year ago
all rifles have some issue.. doesn't matter if it is swiss made, US made or chinese made. i remember in early 80's bushmaster had tons of issues with reliability of their ARs.. i know i had a few. having said that.. i have both sig and bunch of ARs.. and i like my AR more than the sig..
dogbutter99 1 year ago
While it's true that any firearm has its own faults, it is also true that Swiss Arms National refused SIGArms a license to make the 550 series in the states. They didn't believe that SIGArms in new Hampshire could hold to the standards of manufacturing, and it turns out they were right! Now that SIGArms is now officially "SIG SAUER" they should be able to get the right engineering and manufacturing techniques to make this rifle a serious competitor, but they don't...
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV biggest problem for me is it's front heavy and does not handle good for me.
dogbutter99 1 year ago
@boricuaDV Your way off on this. I worked for Sig Arms as the Special Weapons Coordinator during the time the 556 was being produced and all I'm going to say on this is that your statement is incorrect on all levels
SINBAD396 1 year ago
@SINBAD396 Then maybe you'd like to explain how you guys arrived at canted rails and why SIG's fix was to shave it down and bevel it rather than fix the receiver. Tell us where this POS furniture and ITac accessories are made. Maybe explain the bolt carrier issue and why grinding the carrier is acceptable as a fix. Tell us why the SIG included magazine is so stellar. Tell us the story of Matt McLearn and the GSR. Maybe then you can help to start saving SIG's lost reputation...
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDVI have no desire to rebuild Sigs reputation when it comes to the problems with the first generation of the 556 or how it wishes to conduct it business. As I no longer work there, I do still work in the industry and airing out the dirty laundry of one past employer is not something I neither support nor wish to do. My post to you was to correct the statement made by you regarding San Swiss’s involvement with approving whether or not Sig could build the 556.
SINBAD396 1 year ago
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SINBAD396 1 year ago
@SINBAD396 The 556 is not a 550, 551, or 552. What I'm saying is that Swiss Arms national would not allow you guys to make THOSE rifles, so you arrived at the 556. Make no mistake, the 556 you guys delivered was not exactly what your customers wanted. Unable to make 550, 551 and 552s, you guys released an AR-SIG abomination.Your rifle didn't exactly set the world on fire. How many LE agencies are using the 556? How many contracts was it awarded? How SUCCESSFUL is it?
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV We just changed the nomenclature of the model. Swiss Arms was involved with the build to a certain level. The decision to do the build using a standard NATO AR lower was just logical. There are hundreds of thousands of AR magazines in the US and making the US market buy proprietary magazines was neither logical nor cost effective. The rifle did set the world on fire out of the gate, but what do you want me to say?
SINBAD396 1 year ago
@boricuaDV I was very excited when I heard they were going to produce the sig 550 in semi auto in the US. But then they came out with this abortion instead of a nice version of the 550. An ar type lower, a crappy stock, and other problems. It could have been the sweetest rifle ever, but instead it's not.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams that's exactly my point. AR15 magazines are perhaps the weakest magazines of any military rifle. Designing a rifle to accomodate them is a step backwards, not forwards. SIG's marketing did not listen to the customer base that wanted a 550. Instead they gave us the abortion. That said, I think a quality AR15 is still the dominant force. I tried the Classic b/c it looked closer to the 550 that I wanted, but SIG's lil' surprises pissed me off.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV It is such a shame. maybe someday they will come out with the real thing in semi, or maybe Ron Paul will get elected Pres and reverse the EO banning the import of the semi 550.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
What happened to "To Hell And Back Reliability"?
Sniperman1964 1 year ago 4
it went to Hell, it just never came back! :-D
boricuaDV 1 year ago 6
@boricuaDV I love Sig's... dam near busted a gut on your "never came back" comment... LOL...... Did Sig Sauer fix it to your satisfaction????
frontier1701 1 year ago
@frontier1701 when the Customer Service rep told me that the new stocks were no longer Swiss made, but "outsourced" I was really turned off. Also, the bolt hold-open latch wasn't working properly, so I traded the rifle for an MSAR STG556 and haven't looked back. This 556 Classic was the last SIG I'll ever buy.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
i was thinkin about getting one but now i dunno...Is the swat model just as cheaply made?
IHugFatKids13 1 year ago
@IHugFatKids13 The SWAT is the exact same thing, but only with a garbage, heavy rail up front.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
The selector swich looks like full auto. The mag well and bolt looks nothing like my sig556
Derail07 1 year ago
have u had any other serious problems with the sig556?
jayrod68 1 year ago
a little j&b weld....and u will be ok........lol
slipstream360 1 year ago
I could tolerate that on an airsoft gun but not from a $1,000+ Sig rifle. What a joke. BTW this is not the first review that shows this flaw, so its not a freak occurrence. The stock design is troubled.
blakenzy 1 year ago
This is the sort of thing I'd expect from a Kel Tec. SIG have gone downhill within the last 10 years IMO.
jebustheone 1 year ago 2
Does it still shoot bullets?
EyeOnTheTV 1 year ago
Dunno. I got rid of this rifle before I found any more surprises.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
Hmmm, no matter how "easy" the fix is,coming from Sig, $1600 SHOULD assure the buyer that what they bought is near perfection and no unreasonable (even small) problem will occur. This shows that that is not the case, which is simply intolerable for a real firearm. It isn't just this one instance of finding a cheap part, but it hints at other things about the manufacture, maybe there are other small problems with the gun, and maybe just ONE of those makes the difference between life and death.
dogboy0912 1 year ago 4
@dogboy0912 You've hit the nail right on the head!
boricuaDV 1 year ago 2
The hell, I have that happen to my Airsoft SIG 552! you want to know how I fix it? I slap the stock back over top of it and pull.
JessFromMead 1 year ago
Wow, if that's all there is to complain about your sig than I'm buying.
1st of all: You're a dumbass with no mechanical ability because this is an easy issue to fix. Why did you put a video up showing that your plastic latch comes out? Just fix it stupid. In the time you posted this video this issue could be resolved. I'm a M1A guy because I'm super picky but this is nothing to blow your horn about....
187LEX1 1 year ago
@187LEX1 Obviously, you have no idea who I am, or why you even have the luxury of watching this stuff on YouTube right now. Furthrmore, you must know nothing about the SIG 550 series, or you'd know that this cheap, made in China stock assembly is unacceptable and completely uncharacteristic of the SIG name. If you think these are the only issues stemming from the American-made 556, then please, go spend $1600 on one of these and find them out for yourself! Now, Mr. Expert, go piss off.
boricuaDV 1 year ago 12
@boricuaDV I'm shocked that Sig would put any component on their guns that was made in China. China pretty much makes inferior quality products. Have you shot your sig and if so have you had any problems or malfunctions other than the stack? I hope sig is not outsourcing any internal components inside their rifles or handguns. If they start doing that their name will be ruined in very short time. Thanks for the info.
eltoroda 1 year ago
@187LEX1 You don't seem to understand the simple concept: a $1600 rifle should have top quality components, not parts of dubious origin.
MrVideoh 1 year ago 11
@MrVideoh actually 1600 $ is quite cheap. In switzerland i pay 3200 $ for a swiss made 553 SOW. So i wouldn't expect a 1600 $ 556 to have "swiss made" quality.
I've "raped" my service weapon (550) for over a year and never had problem, no matter how cold, hot, wet or sandy it was... neither have I ever heard of any problem with the stock of the 550
PLPerren 1 year ago
well, everyone knows that Switzerland is one of the most expensive countries to live in. The average salary is also much higher than it is in the US (Compare $45k US to $69k ) Nobody is saying the 550 isn't a quality rifle. It's that the SIG 556 isn't up to the same standards as the 550. There are a LOT of options on the American market that can be had for $1600, and they are almost all higher quality than the 556.
MrVideoh 1 year ago
Retail is $2100.00 to $2400.00 but I did get mine on sale for $1200.00 LOL
MrClint2011 1 year ago
Jeez, even my $150 airsoft Sig 552's stock latch doesn't do that. They did cut some corners. A shame.
rangerstubbs76 1 year ago
should have forked over the extra bucks and bought a swat edition. just my .02
diverseent 1 year ago
@diverseent the Classic SWAT rifles still have the Chinese/Israeli stock. The problem is not the handguard, it's the execution of the latch in the stock. The price difference covers the railed forend and the included diopter sight. The stock is the same.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV maybe i should have specified i have a real swat. not a classic. thats why i mention the price bump. damn your fast with the comments. lol i just left that like one video ago. anywho nice gun, but for my money i like the swats better and even better so the Non-Classic ones. if you want a SBR get the pistol version if not get the rifle. you cant have both, but once again jsut my .02 but i do agree with you on the note of the quality control issue, no matter what model you should have.
diverseent 1 year ago
@diverseent The thing is, those of us that are/were drawn to the Classic are those of us who wanted a 551 clone, not an AR15 mix. In my opinion, the buffer tube and AR style stock has no place on this rifle. Like the description of this video says, they finally got the configuration right, but they screwed up by giving the world cheap furniture. I was very excited about the 556 until I saw what they were doing to it. For me, the 556 has been the biggest firearms letdown in the past 20 years.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV then why not go out and get a 551? i liked the older models alot, but this is where its at now, and i dont have many fueds with the design,but guns change and i for one like the way it looks, and as far as AR15. i mean they share a resemblance but, the difference is the guys at the range that have 20 AR15s stare and look gasping as whats in my hands, and walk up to me asking me what it is and how much i payed, to which both answers get a gasp and then they walk away sadly.
diverseent 1 year ago
@diverseent I think you answered your own question. For 99% of shooters, the $8k+ for a real SIG 551 is simply not feasible, considering most probably drive vehicles that are less valuable than that.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV ive seen unfired 551 go from anywhere between 3500-5000 unfired.
diverseent 1 year ago
@diverseent I have seen SG 551 conversions (using 556 uppers) for that price, but not real Swiss 551s for that price. The lowest I've seen a Swiss SIG 551has been around $7k.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV well i use gunbroker and ive seen them an unfired real 551 go for 3500
diverseent 1 year ago
@diverseent the SWAT with the Magpul CTR is the way to go. its rocks solid and looks better in my opinion. not in to the classic look
SmokeRises 1 year ago
@SmokeRises It isn't just looks....the original sig folding stock on the 550 series are arguably the best folding stocks ever made for a battle rifle. So why did SigArms make this cheap imitation of their own product? I heard that there was also an issue with their recievers coming apart some time back. Clearly, Sig Sauer of Switzerland needs to send some troubleshooters stateside to clean house to keep the quality at a level expected from Sig.
varanid9 1 year ago 2
Well that killed my Boner for this gun
darkstararmory 1 year ago
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hkrivell 1 year ago
I checked the reviews for this weapon and it looks like a better alternative to the AR-15. I checked one out at a gun shop in Florida, and noticed the fore end grip had some noticeable slack. It would slide back and forth on the barrel. Does any one else notice this or could it be just with the one I was examining?
hkrivell 1 year ago
@hkrivell Every SIG 556 I've handled had cheap, rattling furniture. You can replace it with real Swiss furniture, but it's gonna cost you a few hundred bucks.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
No offense or anything but for just picking the gun up last night the foam in your case is pretty worn. Just curious because it didn't look like the gun had been through too much but any explanations on that? I'm fixing to buy the 556 RL Holo went and shot it last week 60 consecutive rounds through it no break took the bolt out, and it was cold as ice. Can't name many rifles that can do that. Also has no barrel jump, not to mention ejects cases harder than almost any gun I've seen.
fisher1112 1 year ago
@fisher1112 SIG ships these rifles in crappy plastic shell cases with cheap cell foam interiors. The charging handles dig into the cheap cell foam and destroy the case during shiping. That's SIG's "To Hell and Back" claim :P
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@fisher1112 My foam had the same wear marks (TEARS) that this vid shows from shipping my 556 Pistol I just go. Also the foam was supposed to be glued into the box...and it never made contact with the box, before the glue dried. I sure hope the weapon proves to be better then what it was shipped in!
So far I've noticed the flat-top scope mount dose not quite line up with the swat fore grip...it's about a fat 1/8 off. We will see if this is a keeper after it has a few rounds through it!
toogawn 1 year ago
hey im only 13 and i know ur a dumbass ur not suppost to fold the stock over and over again i have this gun and im very pleased with it still wats the problem it goes back in sereously who cares! :Dumbass
theairsoftsniper1011 1 year ago
@theairsoftsniper1011 It is obvious that you have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about. This is a real rifle, NOT AN AIRSOFT POS. The stock is meant to be used, over and over again. That's why it is a folder. I highly suggest that next time you think of commenting on someone's video, you stop and think about whether this is an airsoft gun or a real gun. You're 13 years old. That means I've been shooting real guns longer than you've been alive.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
if you havent bought this rifle, dont. if you have, just use a little super glue and you should be good to go;)
AwokenDemon 1 year ago
I heard the Sig 556's are much inferior in quality compared to a real Swiss Sig.
esh325 2 years ago
Well this seems to be happening to me quite often. I just bought a SIG 556(non-classic version) because I wanted a SIG 552 really bad for years, so I thought I would fulfill my wanting by buying this Rifle due the 552 not being available for obvious reasons. Now the census here puts the SIG 556 in bad favor, but
I only paid $1167.00 though.
Garduus 2 years ago
Sig 556 is complete garbage. Why anyone would throw away $1600 on this weapon when there are so many better options is beyond me. The fact that Sig is willing to put their name on this rifle shows what has become of Sig. Complete disregard to quality. I am not surprised to hear reports of their pistols declining quality either. At this point I would never buy a Sig product.
moonskeen 2 years ago
You mean you don't like the airsoft quality parts the 556 comes with? lol.
seadevil38 2 years ago
@moonskeen explain to me what is so bad about this gun
toxicfire83 1 year ago
dont even bother with this just get a ar15 with a gas piston
josephwilliamsperry 2 years ago
Or a regular AR, or a tricked out AK, or an M1A, or an AUG, or an MSAR, or a....
boricuaDV 2 years ago
Skip the piston and get a quality AR from BCM, Novekse, LMT, Colt, etc.
opmike343 2 years ago
im no gunsmith, but a bit of arldite and you should be fine?
h3nry6556 2 years ago
This isn't an issue of whether or not it can be fixed, it's an issue of spending $1600 on a rifle only to find that the stock is a poorly made POS. In order to replace it you'll spend $300. This is a warning that should be heeded by anyone getting ready to drop that kind of cheddar on a rifle.
boricuaDV 2 years ago
sig = junk!!! look at there shot show video of there full auto sig it jams a lot and you know they hand picked that one.
mmalle2 2 years ago
A brand new Sig like is demonstrating will do that till the folder latch gets broken in. It is not a big deal, rather it lock hard on the fore end than pop off all the time. At least they had the fore though to make it a folder very cool. Great weapon!
workhorse95 2 years ago
You've GOT to be kidding? Forethought? If they had the forethought they would have introduced it with the real Swiss folding stock back in 2007. Here we are, 3 years later, and they finally release a folding stock, but it turns out to be a complete POS. This Israeli copy flat out sucks and SIG knows it. They are using a cheap stock so that they can make more profit on the rifles. Plain and simple.
SIG clearly doesn't take this rifle seriously, and for that reason, neither do I.
boricuaDV 2 years ago
"SIG clearly doesn't take this rifle seriously, and for that reason, neither do I. "
Well said, pretty much sums up the entire 556 line from what I can tell. At this price point, you can find some quality and SERIOUS, tough as nails, fighting carbines that will be loyal to hell and back.
opmike343 2 years ago
@boricuaDV dude its just a stock and really isnt that bad. the gun clearly is not as bad as the m4
toxicfire83 1 year ago
@toxicfire83 Just a stock? What are you going to do when that Israeli POS falls off the rifle? Shoot from the hip? Anyone who is serious about using this rifle for defense or SHTH replaces it with the $300 Swiss stock. If you find yourself surrounded with money, then have at it. Personally, I think it is pathetic for a rifle of this price point to have a POS stock.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
How much does this run for?
yoteslaya 2 years ago
$1600 with the crappy stock. $1900 after you replace the crappy stock with a real Swiss one. SCAR, anyone?
boricuaDV 2 years ago
Ive had the BRD disease for a while but am trying to find a new weapon to start to play with. Do you know of a website or anywhere I can find more info on the SCAR? I seen a couple videos on it as well and it looks sweet. ive heard to much in the last 15 mins to turn me from the SIG.
yoteslaya 2 years ago
a Googel search for "FN SCAR" will likely turn up enough info to make you dizzy and/or puke. I'm not really a fan of the SCAR, but I just wanted to point out that $1900 for a "proper" SIG puts you in the price bracket as the SCAR. When you compare the two, the SIG is old technology. I'm just sayin...
boricuaDV 2 years ago
@boricuaDV the scar is much more expensive are deaf and blind
toxicfire83 1 year ago
@toxicfire83 No, not really Take a $1600 SIG 556 made with no attention to detail, replace the POS furniture with real Swiss furniture and you're at $2000. That IS SCAR territory.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@toxicfire83 No, not really. Take a $1600 SIG 556 made with no attention to detail, replace the POS furniture with real Swiss furniture and you're at $2000. That IS SCAR territory.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV i thought the scar was atleast 2300
toxicfire83 1 year ago
Depends where you live and where you're shopping, I guess. Someone I know scored one for $2k a month ago here in FL.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV I jus bought one myself, and I was wonderin does the button slide right behind the stock extender help with that issue???
jpwarren327 1 year ago
@jpwarren327 No, I believe that button you're referring to is to disassemble to stock assembly. I no longer have this rifle though, so I can't be sure. The only buttons I remember were the folder, the retracting button and the stock disassembly slider.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV alright thanks man, any other tips u got would be appreciated for this gun or a mini 14
jpwarren327 1 year ago
Your most helpful resource for the SIG 556 is going to be sigarms556dotcom
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV
jpwarren327 1 year ago
oh woah. From a lot of people I've talked to, Sig Sauer makes excellent products though. Too bad the stock latch is a little faulty.
wslx0195 2 years ago
SIG Sauer has a reputation, but they are but a shell of their former selves. They aren't the same company they used to be...
boricuaDV 2 years ago
You could place a wedge in between the tabs to force them outward so that they hold in place. Perhaps a sliver of metal
jymmyjaymes 2 years ago
You see, thats not his issue, his issue is that you pay high price for a "High quality" gun, which turns out not high quality, and with faults. I expect the same from a SIG, but I'm not into the Classic series...
And being Sig556 now, there are no issues, except an occasional Bad foregrip that breaks, which is still scary. Rumor has it, Sig556 foregrip broke on a small drop, which is an issue.
ShinSephy 2 years ago
Cheap American trash. Buy an original stock.
watch?v=x1h5nuRxLnM&NR=1
gopferdami 2 years ago
The original Swiss stock runs $300 USD, which would make this rifle now $1900...and you wouldn't even have a railed forend.
SIG needs to be using the real Swiss stock from the factory. This cheap crap is a MISTAKE!
boricuaDV 2 years ago
I'd really expect more from company like Sig. Although the ones I see in the gun stores lately have the AR style telescoping stocks so maybe they've realized this weakness and have gone to a new configuration all together.
I actually looked at one of these today while at the store buying shotshells. They're sexy rifles.
2ct2wave 2 years ago
American made with lazy labor! The Swiss rifles are way better. The 556 is an overpriced and heavy rifle. I am not saying it is garbage, just trying to bring you Sig 556 fans back to Earth.
djvdz66 2 years ago
You make a good point, ever since I got out of the millltary and started working with civilians, I notice they are lazy and complain they don't make enuff money. we start working hard and start becoming the industial power we were back in WWII days.
Imetalman2000 2 years ago
Thanks. Nice Video.
JungleJimAB9AB 2 years ago
this makes me think twice about this rifle. if the company cannot pay attention to detail then it makes me wonder what else it has overlooked.
jewpez83 2 years ago
The case that came with my 556 also had an ugly tear. Did you receive it like that?
ebrak47 2 years ago
Yep, the charging handle tore up the foam during shipping.
boricuaDV 2 years ago
Do you know whether or not this problem is corrected by SIG? Please kindly reply.
Also, a premier US manufacturer said to me in-person that if all hell break loose, it will be the FAL and the SIG 556 that he will choose. Why do you think the SIG outshines the M16 variety? Isn't the gas system pretty much a modified AK similar to the Belgian FNC, and the Italian Baretta? So, why this weapon is superior above the M16 variety and others that are also modified AK gas system rifles? Please reply.
1962SatanTookOver2 2 years ago
I'm afraid I don't know if SIG has fixed this or not. I got rid of this rifle and did not try to get another SIG.
A lot of people have preferences for one rifle or another, and different reasons for choosing them. I would take an M16 or AK style weapon over the 556 b/c when all hell breaks loose, you can't send your rifle back to get it fixed. With the AR and AK, they are the most common military rifles so parts and repairs are much easier to obtain. Both AR & AK have never let me down...
boricuaDV 2 years ago
Geez! That speaks volumes! Did you see that the January '10 issue of the NRA RIFLEMAN reviews the SIG556? Bet sales and price go up. Very timely commentary. Thanks.
JungleJimAB9AB 2 years ago
@1962SatanTookOver2
It has a side folding stock, unlike the M16, and it also has a 1/7 twist to stablize heavier bullets such as the 75 and 77 grains. But the biggest "improvement" is the gas system, which allows the bolt to run cleaner and longer.
Southern661 2 years ago
Southern661: If the gas system is the heart of this rifle, then why not buy the Ruger 556? It has the same thing, and we are buying American rifle so your money goes to support American workers.
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