Real News Debate: Why is the US threatening Iran?

[happinesson]

nice to hear both of them. They are both correct in an opposite way. Good debate.

[TheGodlessGuitarist]

Actually, Ahmedinjehad never talked about wiping Isreal off the planet. That is a deliberate misquote of US military industrial complex propaganda. He actually said he didn't think Israel would ultimately continue to exist!It means something else entirely!

[rctube1958]

The West long ago lost the moral argument. Too many wars in the name of democracy and freedom.

[Scorpion781000]

USA knows that if Bomb Iran,,,,in 24 hour israel pig would wipe from map...That is

the main reason...USA never Bomb Iran.....

[Verradonairun]

wasn't this a waste of my time...

[xMaXiMuSx]

What evidence do I need to provide my claims?? Everyone that has no clue about that region knows that we our bombings,installing and supporting oppresive regimes and our unconditional support for Israel led to 9/11.. They hate us because of what we do over there and it has nothing to do with religion. Who cares about having gays or no gays??/ What the hell does that have to do with anything?? YOu are the one who can't be taken seriously because you lack any historical understing of the region

[StraussBR]

Dont forget who sold the weapons and encouraged iraq to attack Iran

[Method775]

if america drops a nuclear bomb on iran Russia will back them up throwing tsar bomba's on usa and iran has also its own nuclear weapons

[wnxsilence]

The West is DIRECTLY responsible for Iran's suffering and hardhip for the past half century, it is time that Iranians were left to decide their own future; as should all the peoples of the Middle East. Foreign intervention in the region is totally unjustified, as are the threats and agression of the U.S and it's Israeli client. The first place to begin for those opposing this illegal intervention, is Washington D.C; which even today has a 450 million dollar budget for "destabilization" of Iran.

[wnxsilence]

Left leaning, socialist, and social-democratic forces(being the Shah's main enemy) actually played the greatest role in Iranian politics organizing before and during the 1979 revolution. Thanks to Western subversion, the most brutal Islamic forces came on top.

[wnxsilence]

It is no surprise the tyrant was overthrown again in 1979, and what did the U.S/West do afterwards? Fund and arm Saddam's army to attack Iran, starting a miserable war that killed a million people; and ensured the victory and rallying around of the most fanatical elements of the Iranian revolution.

[wnxsilence]

Let's not so soon forget, it was the U.S in 1953 that destroyed Iran's first democracy by engineering the coup that overthrew Democratically elected Prime Minister Mossadeq; re-instating the Shah, who reigned for decades through security forces, prisons, and torture.

[wnxsilence]

The reason is simple, in 1979 the Iranian people overthrew a brutal U.S-backed dictator, and have been "out of control" in the eyes of Washington ever since. Think what you want about the Mullah government and Islamic theocracy, what matters is successful defiance; regardless of what form it takes. This is the real danger U.S-planners fear, and is the reason behind the agressive posture against Iran since.

[chisler000009]

@wnxsilence incredibly well articulated point. We get caught up in the details but occupation is occupation, resistance is resistance.

[aSuperbadassninja]

war with Iran is about checking Chinas economic growth

[Metsada007]

The world must unite and stop the US.

[Barradin]

@Metsada007 lol

[aviomaster]

-- USA is largest threat to the world peace .

[MajNorberg]

ISRAEL/PAKISTAN and INDIA are not signatories to the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty......!They clearly have nukes....that is a fact...what are their intentions with WMDs?

[BenjiPars]

HAHAH that old dude ROCKS

and the other one can put a grenade up in his sisters cunt :)

[JonnyInfinite]

well put

[1234Mitra]

America did wrong in Hiroshima.

Islamic government of Iran does wrong to Iranian and brings Hezbollah from Lebonon to attack Iranian.

Crime is happening...

[TuWylde]

Kay ... what a cunt

[SoldierCyfix]

all these guys talk about is war war war and economical gain, money money money.

how did the japanese feel ater hiroshima and nagesaki?

the people of iran; or better yet the people of the world care about only one thing peace, prosperity and living long lives. if iran hates the united states and israel it is natural fear, they have the right to fear and hate. because they are afraid of us, and if a war breaks out they wont be able to defend themselves. just look at the ghaza mess

[SoldierCyfix]

they we're unable to defend themselves, and 1600 of theme died. the majority were civilians, women, children, and elders.

about 6% were soldiers.

IMO IRAN should have a nuclear weapon, that way israel; out of fear, will have to leave them alone

[passenger9411]

Are you saying that only 1,600 people died in the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? If so, you're way off. It is estimated that a total of 215,000 were killed but we'll never know the exact number.

[SoldierCyfix]

no. i was talking about the fight in ghaza. 1600 people died (estimate)

[passenger9411]

Lol...that makes sense. 1600 palestinians?

[SoldierCyfix]

yes

[Irishsouthdub]

very good

[kargwain187]

i used to find it hard to believe that the american elites would go to war with iran because of the destruction that iran could cause but it struck me one day in work,that destruction would not affect them or there money it would only affect the hundreds of thousands possibly millions that would die. the rich have become so detatched from reality that they are willing to do this. when people fear goverment there is tyrany when goverments fear the people there is liberty

[Shameless1AtL]

Now you understand why americans are afraid of our own country. The people in power make in impossible to work towards any peaceful resolution that doesnt involve them getting rich.  Id move to another country if I could.

[kargwain187]

hey dont feel alone the rich in every country are trying to screw as much money as possible out of the normal people.... lol if we all had money they wouldnt have any slaves

[popqq123]

Open your blind eyes, not all country are like this, some country are fixing Corruptions. America is ruled by Corporations thats why money matters. In some country its not like that, its just some few greedy coruptions going on, only in america where the whole government is nothing but money hungry people.

[kargwain187]

my eyes are quite open mate the only countries that arent run by the elite and greedy rich are the ones that they are savagely attacking and we in the developed world have been fooled into thinking that its to make us safer.look at the tha alies of the west in the middle east ,the super wealthy and all the had to do to attain that wealth was sell out there people,but there not worried theyve got western guns keeping them in power

[refimanloans]

The jews will be the ones to start the beginning of the end..when the jews use their F16 fighter jets to bomb the Iranian "nuclear sites" Iran will seek destruction on Israel and US forces will back up Israel. Georgia is another issue and it belongs to Russia and Russia couldn't give a hoot about their independence but will not tolerate Georgia being in Nato...they can't let it happen as it would be like Cuba having nuclear weapons 60 miles away from US homeland. Get it? US again responsible!

[iFlag12]

This is funny, Israel/US have the right to BOMB Iran but Iran doesn't have the right to BOMB isreal. Bombing is not the answer! No matter what country Million of innocents will die!

[Mechelle68]

It doesn't make any sense, does it? A group of people take it upon themselves to say "that country is trying to develop a nuclear weapon" So? The U.S. has nuclear weapons and we've proved to be more of a threat against other nations than anyone. We've invaded more countries in the last 100 years than anyone else. We've occupied how many countries? Israel has broken more UN resolutions than its neighboring countries combined.

We've become the United States of Hypocrisy.

[Method775]

@Mechelle68 haha ur awesome finally someone who isn't blind

[Yeahcoolwhatever]

@iFlag12 If bombing is not the answer, why should we allow more bombs to be made by the Iranians? Israel and America have had the atomic bomb for a long time. Israel has never used it, and America only used it to save the lives of millions of soldiers and before its effects were fully understood. Iran knows exactly how devastating a nuclear strike would be, and has vowed to destroy Israel and America by any means necessary. Why give power to people who admit they will abuse it?

[billy1303]

@Yeahcoolwhatever Come on man, do research for yourself. You can't go by what the news says about people. Don't tell me you still believe we are freeing Iraq or Muslims attacked us on 9/11. We spend over 700 billion dollars on military, and most of it goes to defense. Do you really think we are worried about people nuking us. We can stop any plane or nuke before it get's close to us. It's all propaganda to get oil. Get your head out of your ass!!!

[Yeahcoolwhatever]

@billy1303 The United States does not possess the technology to stop nuclear ICBMs. No country does. That's a fact, nukes cannot be stopped to this day. I have seen the new government of Iraq perform its function as needed. The stability that Iraqi people need will come shortly, and the campaign is ending. The United States has won this war, and all your complaints can't change that. To say what you just said about the 9/11 attack is disgusting, Al-Qaeda killed 3,000 that day.

[xMaXiMuSx]

@Yeahcoolwhatever

dude you're stupid.. USA has WON nothing in Iraq. The 9/11 happened because of our military intervention..

[Yeahcoolwhatever]

@xMaXiMuSx 9/11 happened before the invasion of Iraq. This is barely worth responding to. Sit back and watch while Americans who aren't useless claim victory in Iraq, and soon, Afghanistan.

[xMaXiMuSx]

@Yeahcoolwhatever

I'm talk about our military intervention before 9/11 in the middle east.. The world didn't start to exist on 9/11.. Educate yourself..

[Yeahcoolwhatever]

@xMaXiMuSx Do you mean the defense of Kuwait then? A nation that Iraq attacked without provocation? The Iraqis started that war, and they lost. Losing a war does not give the extremists a right to kill 3,000 innocent Americans and force a brutal terror regime on their own people.

[xMaXiMuSx]

@Yeahcoolwhatever

I dont mean that at all.. Just educate yourself some more.. US has been intervining in the middle east since WW2.. You are so fu cking dumb it's unreal.. We are the ones who support brutal,oppresive regimes in Egypt, yemen, Saudi Arabia and several more.. Once again educate yourself and don't buy the propaganda..

[Yeahcoolwhatever]

@xMaXiMuSx In order to keep this as simple a discussion as possible, I'll stick to the point. The point being your opinion that the U.S incited Al-Qaeda's attack against it. I would like to know how you can possibly support the murder of 3,000 civilians under ANY circumstances. If the United States is as evil as you say, why isn't Iran gone? Why do we bother listening to the ranting of their insane leader, when we could easily remove him from power?

[xMaXiMuSx]

@Yeahcoolwhatever

Of course there is no justification for the deaths of 3000 people.. OF course you lack the historical understanding of the simple fact that the US attacks/sanctions have killed MILLIONS in the middles east.. Insane leader?? Based on what?? George Bush, CLinton and now Obama are insane..

[Yeahcoolwhatever]

@xMaXiMuSx Neither George Bush nor Obama declared that there were no gays in their country during a televised debate. Ahmadinejad is clearly either delusional or in denial. You have provided no evidence of your claims, I have provided plenty. Give me numbers and examples and you will be more credible. As of now you can't be taken seriously.

[billy1303]

@billy1303 Don't talk to me anymore, because you're a fucking idiot, and you will be waisting your time. Al-Qaeda is made up!!!

[flyer7799]

@iFlag12 The funny thing is that the only countries that are doing the actual bombings are the US and Isreal!!! Iran has never attacked a country since the end of the Persian Empire. The Iran-Iraq war was started by Iraq--Iraq pre-emptively attacked Iran, being given the green light by the US and was supported by the US and the entire Western world; and Iran still won the war. The Americans & Israelis speak of hypotheticals meanwhile they're murdering people everyday NOW!!! no hypotheticals!!

[BelfastAtheist]

@flyer7799

I have to correct you here.. you're right in point of fact, Jimmy Carter did indeed give the green light for Saddam to invade Khomenei's Iran - they also supplied him with his Chemical and Biological weapons. But who are the ''rest of the Western world'' that you're referring to? To my knowledge, no other Western Country was involved in the Iran-Iraq War other than North America. Could you perhaps give me examples?

[Descryminds]

The real face of what money does to people is only really beginning to surface. It makes people desire money over other human beings. Oil is simply something that brings money. Money brings comforts and pride, and men of money have gotten used to destroying other's comforts for their own. THAT is Uncivilized.

[Rinol34]

the wealth of americans economy is built up by controling oil (selling oil in dollar!)

[ratwell71]

THEY WANT CONTROL

[ratwell71]

THIS IS A WAR ABOUT MONEY SUPPLY.

[ratwell71]

ANOTHER MADE UP WAR.

[ratwell71]

ZIONIST BANKERS WANT CONTROL

[ocamp234]

Yea, I agree. They just want Irans oil. North korea, and Im sure a few other countries have nuclear capabilities, we are not after them. I dont blame iran for not wanting to sell us thier oil. Who makes us better???, that we have to go and just take what we want from other places???

[codematrix]

The US gov't is going to attack Iran because Iran is planning to sell oil in non-American dominations. That's the real threat that Iran posses to the US, not nukes. WAKEUP PEOPLE!!!

[Tinfoilhatlady]

usa uses terror

xo

tfhl

[1x93cm]

i hope the USA never attacks Iran...that will begin WW3

[BitterYoungMan]

I wouldn't go that far, but it definitely won't be good.

[jabzulani]

The Whitehoue is on a mission to rule the world through oil. I know its a cliche but Im sure that its true... Iran from what I hear has the highest concentration of energy other than russia,and Russia would give them a run for their money if they tried with them.THere needs 2 be change in Washington,Obama wont be able to do it despite all his talk it needs to be done thru the ppl here.Ist only place Ive been to that glorifies military,they have army adverts everywhere!needs to switch attitudes.

[TavishHill]

Mabe someone pointed this out already, but Mohmoud Ahmadinejad is the "leader" of Iran in title only. He has zero control over any branch of Iran's military, he has no control whatsoever over the nuclear energy policy of Iran, nor does he have an say at all in Iran's foriegn policy. His control is strictly domestic affairs.

[TavishHill]

Ahmadinejad can scream all day long about how much he hates Israel, but the peron/people who actually make the decisions to use military force have reached out to the US in 2003 and 2005 and offered to to give it everything it was asking for if the US would merely stop the march to war with Iran.

[suskky]

God give this world more of prof: Leo Panich and Neom Chomsky type and less of

Mr. Kay and O'Raily type..Do people stop long enough to ask

why so many professors far and wide are against U.S. policies

along with thier actions in so many parts of the world... ????? I don't even want to say what a figure of idiot Senator H. Clinton made of herself by wanting to obliterate Iran.

[angelbe88]

War crimes. Will there be justice? Cspan had a hearing yesterday regarding torture. The president and his cabinet are not immune to prosecution regardless of how hard they tried to protect themselves. We now know they all approved torture. This is really nothing compared to the atrocity of Their false flag terrorism. Bush keeps singing his song of bringing peace and democracy to the people of Iraq but those types of ideals are of the pure of heart and peace loving souls not of the deceitful.

[PriaNorm]

in the end when all is said its obvious that American citizens dont have any input in "their" gvmt . You need to stop joining the military

[icantfindanamethis]

because Israel says so

duh

[Dogg1980]

USA is a rogue nation. VERY much so.

[turjo101]

Iran uses terrorist proxies?!? but so does the USA. the PKK used to be funded by the USA, the COntras in S.America, AlQaeda in one point to counter the Soviets in Afghanistan etc.

[freddiecat1]

It's shocking to see so many Western politicians that know nothing about the history of Iran over the last (especially) 55 years. Yet, they might be voting on whether to bomb Iran or not. It's really scary.

I think that should be a new rule in US, Britain, Canada etc. No MP/Member of Congress etc. can vote on bombing or on sanctions until they take a history course.

[BitterYoungMan]

They know history, they just aren't controlled by their own conscience. They're controlled by popular opinion (guided largely by the media) and lobbyists.

But don't lose faith in Democracy, it can be fixed. There are problems with any form of government.

One way to fix democracy is by informing yourself and others. After all, if we the voters know the real issues eventually there will be candidates that truly represent us.

[joqqeman]

I seriously doubt that ALL of them know history very well. In my country(Finland) there are representatives in the parliament, that are famous for being singers and such. I doubt that its only a finnish phenomenon..

[cmnewell]

I have a hard time taking a guy seriously that pronounces nuclear "nu-cu-lar". I don't care how much you know about politics. Learn how to speak english!

[JUKIO01]

FACT: America has been flooding Iran with american media, like american idol, dancing with the stars, MTV, etc. When we do invade iran, there will be little resistance agsinst the iranians cause they will love americans do to the media. Propagando is a huge tool to win wars.

[alleyghost]

How can you verify this fact?

[JUKIO01]

its not only iran, its other countries as well

[mwahmuah]

yes u all r right!!! BUT US DOES NOT NEED ANY 'BASIS' OR REASON TO ATTACK IRAN . IT CAN DO WAT IT WISHES AT ANYTIME OKAY??? THIS IS BECAUSE WEEEE R THE WORLDDDD THATS IT..!!! THOUSANDS OF COMPLAINS AND PROTESTS WERE MADE WHEN IRAQ WAS ABOUT TO BE ATTACKED ...BUT IRAQ WAS CRUSHED, AND SIMILARLY IRAN WILL BE CRUSHED , I M NOT SAYIN WHAT THE U.S IS DOING IS RIGHT!! BUT I M SAYIN THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!!

[rizwank1]

real news is fake news just like the rest of them.

[CloudStrife890727]

That idiot author.. What about Kurds.. what have Iran done to them?!?!?

[salgreco]

Bravo to TheRealNews for presenting the debate in such clear terms. We need more of this rhetoric which puts things plainly and "pulls no punches".

[911allo]

Recent PKK trouble in Turkey is funded and armed by the CIA. Other militias around the Turkey, Iraq and Iran border are also funded to destabilize the 3 countries. They meet US officicers in Iraq and attack the US army ! Now that's what I call being productive lolll

Afghanistan cuts energy between Iran and China to help the declining US dollar. It also isolates Iran with it's huge natural gaz reserves. Turkey and Iraq serve the same purpose.

[911allo]

The National Post's Jonnathan Kay drives a BMW paid for lying to the Americans?

I agree with "oldhacks", just another noecon wanting a nuclear WW3.

International Atomic Energy Agency's experts agree on saying that Iran does not, can not and will not be able to concentrate Uranium for weapon grade material. It takes years of huge machine operation to approach. Impossible to be done undetected : it shows up in soil or air samples. Relatively easy to verify by the IAEA experts.

[oldhacks]

that young neocon got his ass handed to him.

[realnewsdm]

Don't get me started

Isreal is in violation of everthing "they"

say Iran is doing!! they have over 200 Nukes ready to go, they are in violation of the UN for walls in the west bank (cutting off the palistiens, (Freedom, Food ,Electricty, Water, economicly).Aministey International has

givin up counting the human rights issuies !!

the hold world records for number of permantly dissplace ruffuges !!(land grabers)

[realnewsdm]

So what was the question??

more importaint is what has Iran done to us??

or the rest of the world??

It seems that they are abiding by the UN

all reports say they are almost in full compliance. yes they have done some things wrong ie denied inspections and such

but really thier is a UN Nucler Treaty in efect and the only one violating anything is the USA.

[befranklintoo]

don,t forget isreal.

[realnewsdm]

Ok so is it a fact now that ahmadinejad is trying to kill all of Israel?? In case you missed it that was edited by 60 Min!! What he said was:

"The Iman said the regime occupying jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" Please if judgment is required it must be fair and true!!

[germanicus24]

Ahmadinejad never asked to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Any journalist still using that lie to promote fear against Iran is playing the game for those blood thirsty liers pulling the strings in the White House against America's real interests.

[mrmike123456a]

calling the current administration in America uncivilized is an understatement of monumental proportions. Their policies, If not checked, will bring about World War Three. And this time, they are playing the role of Nazi Germany.

[befranklintoo]

real news in this issue is 20 years to late for the real world.

as in a one world government means one way.

peoples are being put up against the wall.

the negative output is what the one world want and most nationalist minds no matter the country are a branch of that behaviore

[RahSabs]

Uncommented-upon is the China factor. President Cheney's chess game against China will obliterate the reform movement in Iran. As noted repeatedly by scholars of Iran, including Nikkie Keddie, it is Western interference that has, time and again, strengthened the hands of Iran's government.

[LQQKitsAK]

The Real News Network is a great independent news organization that genuinely gives you the real news. I highly recommend watching and joining it today. The newscasts, the debates, and the interviews are excellent. My favorites are the Gore Vidal segments. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin. Be well armed -- educate yourself.

[phantacat]

I admit I was skeptical. With the overabundance of rightist media, many alternative news outlets have the tendency overcompensate and go too left-then label themselves trully objective. I was pleased to see that you are what you say you are. Independent. I truly wish you success and I will continue to watch.

[playboydojo]

Eighteen minutes well spent. Very invigorating debate.

[seamusdid]

He said, she said never solved anything. This was a waste of time.

[ariakokoschka]

It's because the "problem" is concocted as a means to stir up a bottomless chaos to begin with -- you all being played like a wind-up toy.

[truenorthstudios]

Thank you Paul Jay! It is so refreshing to finally see real debate and real news. This debate is a great example of how much deeper and more intelligent news can be if it wasn't run by a few giant corporations. Keep up the great work.

[wrestlingsfake]

I saw the whole debate on their website. The Real News guys are doing an incredible job bringing us this stuff. Keep it up.

[bronwenb]

I had to watch the whole debate after this teaser! GO GO GO to see it on their site, it will get your heart pumping.

[MasterMark123]

Under the Bush administration, I have felt ashamed as an American for the first time in my life... America has changed so much, at 52 I don't even know if I recognize her any longer. What more damage can this white house do before he is forced out? Perhaps he will simply refuse to leave the presidency and claim himself King for life

[befranklintoo]

One of the most ludicrist non realistic ideas come from lets talk about it, and assume we have influences.

imagine the iraq peoples talking about how their going to discuss the next bucket of blood.

this debate is minus...

[greatbroad]

The Gospel according to St. John begins, "In the beginning, was the Word..."

"The Pen is mightier than the sword"

One blade of grass has no power;

Many blades of grass bread apart concrete.

One drop of water has no power;

Many drops of water change the face of this Earth.

We are all 70 percent water!

[alleyghost]

Stop talking now. You are useless.

[mystykit]

The doublespeak Americans are having shoved into their ears by the mass media, a wholly owned subsidiary of the MIC! GE/NBC dumped Gravel off the debate for BS reasons because he is the only one who dares call the MIC what it is and has sworn to uproot it out of the government. First Iran, then Americans are in the gunsights of these goons.

[greatbroad]

Once the United States changed their foreign policy to corporate interests and financial interests-- ahead of the living citizen, they lost all claim to human values.

[awaken69]

viewers, go see the whole video of this discussion on the realnews site!

[SLAVEforLISA]

For me this all goes back to 911. That is the beginning of the BIG LIE with this Administration. Everything else follows suit. This Administration has NO credibility. It doesn't deserve the trust of the U.S. citizens.

[alleyghost]

If it all goes back to 9/11, take into account that it must have taken years to establish the conditions in which this could even be feasible.

[SLAVEforLISA]

This is all about control of oil and wealth. IT'S GREED!

[alleyghost]

All I'm saying is it didn't start with 9/11.

I know it might seem obvious to some, but not to everyone...

[Crickettedog]

@SLAVEforLISA: You are on the right track, however this is the beginning of the New World Order. Bush is looking for any excuse to attack Iran. When the attack takes place, he will declare Martial Law "to protect the American people." Bush initiated several Executive Orders in July 2007. Because of those Executive Orders, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are essentially null and void. Bush has complete control of all three branches of government.