Question Time: Why doesn't UK act against Mugabe? Part 2/2

[IlRezzonico]

@QUENTIN2B2B she *IS* a 12 year old jump up twat - and so is David Milibastard

[TheMasterNo6]

Another thing is the neighbouring states revere Mugabe, as he was a freedom fighter against White Apatheid style rule in Africa. Its his legacy so they aid him. Again, as Zimbabwe hasn't got any real economic reserves, oil or minerals of potential benefit for companies in the UK or US to invest in the UK Govt in particular won't go in and oust him and set up a Protectorate State for say 50 years to stabilise the nation til handover. Again, thats also Neo Colonialist and not worth doing.

[EffLabels]

English-weak cunts. Ashamed to have English blood

[Kpublik1]

lift the sanctions and stop manipulating the trade game thieving , blagging english.

The queen killed her own ex-daughter in law........ suck a dick

[0neofthem]

and effective solution would be to recolonize rhodesia. mugabe is a prime example of why whites were better leaders in africa.

[nubic]

People are talking about mugabe like he is some mass murderer. Has he killed more people than tony blair and george bush? It would be the beginning of the end for this country if they are foolish enough to invade africa. It is just sheer arrogance to think you have a right to tell any president how to run their own country. Britian has the blood of the whole human family on their hands and counting. Not exactly a reference FOR PEACE.!!!!

[DeepSixed300]

@nubic That's almost entirely what Peter Hitchens' point was...

[nubic]

@DeepSixed300 Almost! But not quite.

[BREDATOR1]

Liberals like to fladualate !! themselves before Blacks, its their own conclusion for immprealism. as for Land reform a dissaster! ...

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[CookieCrumblz]

Invade Zimbabwe and help those African people. 

[xmoroseguyx]

I think they are just waiting for the bloke to die, I hear he`s nearly 90 years old.

[nemesis700]

miliband got slaughtered

[Dendiol]

We need Ian Smith back.

[Mr76Marks]

we dont act against mugabe because it has nothing to do with us we cant be runing round the world solving everyones problems when we have so many in our own country like crime,terrorism,unemployment,p­overty,strugling nhs

[EffLabels]

@Mr76Marks But you DO run around involving yourself in other countries. Iraq, Lybia.

BTW Zimbabwe holds English British citizens whose parents and grandparents took bullets for England.

I would hardly call them "other people"

[positionnormal71]

The word Wolverhampton takes up almost all of that floor space. It's a big word isn't it.

[mahound9]

"I think not." 1:15

This bit over the giving of the Knighthood is hilariously macabre.

"I must plead total amnesia"

[Fake drawling upper-class accent] You see I'm utterly senile and incontinent. In fact, I've just soiled myself very forcefully and repeatedly and need to be removed from the stage.

[GoldenbanjoDJ]

funny how shami says 'God willing'...

[GerudoUK]

@GoldenbanjoDJ

Inshallah

[JETTYAGE]

AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS and Europe for the Europeans. White's don't belong in Africa and blacks don't belong in the western world it defies the laws of nature.

[MeMyselfAndEyez]

Hitchens @ 0:29.. "You didn't know!" Priceless.

Miliband is a gormless prat.

[MartinIDavies]

SA authorities handed ownership documents of a Cape Town house belonging to Zimbabwe's government to some Zimbabwean farmers paving the way for farmers who lost property in Zim to file for compensation in South African courts. Shows it is possible to enforce legal principles against the Zimbabwean government in SA like Air Zim jets vulnerable to seizure for compensation for lost farms. So all is not lost for White Zim farmers and ANC take note of property laws in SA.

[MartinIDavies]

what will I do about well nothing of course you silly person... they are indepedent states now and the freed Africans are living the nightmare that is thier lives as dished out by their liberation govt thugs welcome the big game boys

[MartinIDavies]

@MartinIDavies I am not surprised that you have only seen the unpleasant sides of Rhodesians given the sentiments you express here. Ah well so you will not seen them at the best as sauve charming delighfull people full of energy and promise... what a pity for you

[MartinIDavies]

White Rhodesians built the most prosperous African nation in only 60 years! Feeding black Rhodesians and starving Africans caught up in the nightmare dead-end experiment of African nationalism (whatever that means  other than throw whitey out) with the lunacy of Marxism in Angola and Moz . Focus your anger and whatever talents you may have on the real problems of African Governance which is African countries reverting back to their natural state of tribal barbarism and genocide.. wake boy

[Phoonguy]

white rhodesian have a superior complex but they have been reduced to nothing, reduced to less than the minority in england, they are worse than pikeys, they are scum, i have never met a good Rhodesian.

[themrduragss]

Britain is not a word power its a small island!!!!!!!!!!!!!

only Africans can free Africa

[masalapaul]

Fuck off Britain!

Remember you are the one you started this fiasco!

[karuspery]

Labour are the most devious,deceitful scumbags on the face of our earth.

Google Common Purpose by Brian Gerrish and find out the truth.

[aztec3553]

Ha Haa, you Brits should have listened to Ian Smith when he told you Rhodesia would go down the drain under black rule. Its hard to explain but you have to live in Africa to properly understand the Black Man of Africa! Actually I believe the Brits are actively keeping Mugabe in Power, otherwise they could do him in with an American Smart bomb! Does anyone know why were still discussing Mugabe or why he's still alive?

[shatnerzbassoonoid]

Fucking Tim Henman second from left, and Tim Fucking Henman second from right.

Two tiny-cocked loser arseholes on the same panel, fucking Jesus fucking Christ!!

Let`s fucking napalm Mugabe just so that I don`t have to look at the Henman brothers talking shite any longer.

Fucking hellfire and fuck!!!!!!

[aztec3553]

@shatnerzbassoonoid

Agreed.

[the25thman]

i watch question time just for the sheer comedy value realy, how many morons can you fit into one room........our first contestant , all the way from "great" britain *drum roll* QUESTION TIME!!!!!!!!!!!

[MartinIDavies]

This month International Criminal Court in the Hague issued an arrest warrant for Sudanese president for atrocities in Darfur. The precedent has been set. Mugabe will surely be a good next candidate. It is just a matter of time.

[MartinIDavies]

Britain shame on you... abandoning the white Rhodesians... where are your balls.. take this mudering thug and his pals out...

[MartinIDavies]

@Phoonguy i see you nice and safe living in the UK... so nice to be safe in country with rule of law.. laws that protect minorities like yourself... oh yes so nice for you... hey hit the snooze button.. kind safe britain will be there for you when you awake... ahhh

[Phoonguy]

indeed ahhh, twat lol

[Phoonguy]

yeah and what can u do about it????

[EffLabels]

@Phoonguy You do realise Rhodisians are orginally from england, and you are living in their homeland. As a 'black man' why dont you return to your country of origin instead of biting the hand that feeds you?

[EffLabels]

@Phoonguy I have black friends in the UK who are looked upon as 'forgien' even though they were born here.

It's irrelivant how they are 'looked upon', the fact is, they ARE British-Anglos.Their parents and grandparents took bullets for the UK. Whey you say 'they forcefully went to Africa' Again, 'they' is the English who are from Britain, and the contempory Zimbabweans had nothing to do with where their ancestors went. White Zimbabweans dont need a visa because they are from the UK. Simple

[EffLabels]

@Phoonguy Zimabawe never had slavery. Show me cases where whites raped blacks in Zim? It's normally the other way around if you look at statistics. You claim to be an innocent black man born in the UK. Well, they are innocent Anglos born in Zimbabwe who work hard and have nothing to do with colonization.Attacking them would be like me telling you to go back to Africa because YOU'RE not a slave, the same way THEY are not colonists. BTW white Rhodisians can or do have British passports

[Phoonguy]

@EffLabels no, zimbabweans were enslaved as a country, they thought fuck it we want this land, yes they raped, theres a high number of hybrids from rhodesians, gardners had sex with white wemen without forcing them, this was done behind the bosses back, it happened a lot but because you are not from there you will never understand let alone accept. i know how racist a rhodesian is in zimbabwe, wen i go there i do confront them when they are out of line, they live in my families neighbourhood

[Phoonguy]

@EffLabels actually they might do now but they did not have them before, they look like pikeys lol, i guess ur one of the rhodesians, My problem with rhodesians is the superior complex that is passed on from generation to generation, you do not believe a black man and a white man are equal, so yes they should get the fuck out, im going there soon and teach the natives how to deal with racists, you could try and tell me to go back but i wont, you would not even dare knock my door, in zim i'd kill

[EffLabels]

@Phoonguy That's odd, for a country that was 'raped'.I never saw any mix raced people .I went to Zim when it was under British rule, and it was one of the most beautiful functional countries I had ever seen. Not to mention, had a strong economy. I have been to the current Zimbabwe and I saw shut down shops and droves of blacks fleeing the country for hope of employment and a better life. I suggest you aim your hostilty at Mugabe who is causung mass black sufferage.Funny you dont mention him

[EffLabels]

@Phoonguy I can assure you I am not Rhodesian .100% English, born and bred. In-fact I feel Rhodisians are more English than the current mish-mash of cultres living here claiming to be "British"

I never liked Mugabe. Putting him in power was a stupid and P.C. descion so not to hurt the black ego. It has cost thousands of jobs and lives (black and white) "Africa rising shift in economy?" Africa IS and always will be a third world land. For a 'strong economy,' funny they always need forgien Aid.

[EffLabels]

@Phoonguy You claim to hate racists, yet you use words like ‘pykeys’ and seem to have something against white people despite living in a white majority country.

I wish Africa were First world (As it was.) I get NO satisfaction from it being 3rd world

I dont care if someone is green, but to keep blaming others for your own failings is a tired theme song. The greatest revenge is success, not hate.I have found Rhodesians to be humble and I think the Chinese are FAR smarter than most white people

[EffLabels]

@Phoonguy You get black racists. Look what the black South Africans did to the inncoent black Zimabweans, they murdered them. Btw my family have been in UK since 1600's, I reckon that's pretty English.lolYou say where you are born is just as important, so you will agree that white zimbabwans who are born in zim have every right to be there?When i say "mish-mash of cultres" iam not refering to Europeans colonizing other Europeans.

[Phoonguy]

@EffLabels duh, of-course you get black racist, when i say racist i dont just mean white even though majority are rhodesian. i know all about south african issues, you dont even have to go outside the country to see it. if you have knowledge you know its not pretty english, you are more like a mongrel holding onto false heritage. yes they have every right to be there but they do not have any right to practice their devious ways. L.AGREEMENT research to understand, open your mind and wake up

[Phoonguy]

@EffLabels Well since your forefathers have taught the world that all mankind originate from africa is pretty mish mash dont you think lol, i however dont believe that nonsense lol. all original tribes around the world can be traced back. Its pretty obvious about the common trates

[Redcarpet01]

@MartinIDavies The white Rhodesians wanted to more than just have a racist farming policy though. And a racist state is incompatible with the international system post-1945. Same with South Africa.

[MartinIDavies]

@Redcarpet01 are you suggesting that all the Black people now living in functioning wealthy western predominately European countries be compelled to move back to the hell that is independant African states in order to comply with your ideas of racial segregation by geography.. which is the underlying implication of your insane notions.. or does racial purity(cleansing) only apply to white people who made Africa their homes?

[Redcarpet01]

@MartinIDavies You're deviating from my point. Which was the Rhodesians wanted more than just racist employment policies, but white minority rule at the political level too. And that a racist state is illegal in the present international system.

[MartinIDavies]

@Redcarpet01 @Redcarpet01 "present international system" what are you talking about? Communism like Soviet Union, China, Vietnam? Or the lunacy of Islamic Arab world or the 3rd world? or the chaos that masquerades as governance in all post independence African states despite 50 odd years? Of independence. In 60 years Rhodesians brought into existence the wealthiest country in Africa by their enterprise. All gone sacrificed at the alter of invented political correctness

[theblackmafia71]

@MartinIDavies there is no oil in Your country ...THATS why we wont help.

[t60njw]

@MartinIDavies If i think about it, YOU ARE RIGHT. "Where are British balls"

[Sunclief]

All you will do is slap him on the wrist and then reinstate his knighthood!

[cutram]

shami chakrabati, a modern day freedom fighter for those rights and civil liberties that most of us take for granted. she stands up in the media and at any opoortunity she can to stand up for those that we shud give more of a care for.

[TheConnorian]

@cutram Not true at all Shami Chakrabarti is is a career politician, she doesn't believe in liberty unless it benefits her. watch the video /watch?v=ywMdK7dBVtE&feature=f­eedrec_grec_index and see how much she is for liberty, she would given the chance take away liberty rather than stand for them.

[puglia5375]

what an idiot...he's like a thick tim henhman. if that's imaginable...

[yetiflicker]

douglas herd is a fucking lying slug.

[pipppin3]

Remember many of those in Govt now supported Mugabe. Peter Hain and other left wingers saw him as a great anti -colonialist leader, they cannot escape responsibility for condemning so many Zimbabweans to their fate.

[bbukfan]

Still, they couldn't imagine what Zimbabwe has become.

[wasabimanic]

bbukfan Nor what saddam became?

[ACriticalState]

iTS TIME FOR EVEYONE TO USE THEIR VOICE.

WE ARE IN A CRITICAL STATE.

jOIN US.

[AshtonArcher]

Shami - no fucking better than Mary Whitehouse and the Media Watch crew. Lets hope she dies quite soon (although not earlier than Thatcher!)

[iqbalmirza80]

are you mugabe or bin laden by any chance??

[ruella1]

i was just defending an amazing woman whose name should not have been put down by silly comments. but hey if thats what you choose to comment on after seeing a debate about millions of people suffering, etc... then by all means

[nigshakespeare]

What is "amazing" about her? She is accountable to no-one, isn't elected by us, sneers, snarls and gets theatrical about everything. Anyone can behave like that but none of us could be called "amazing" for doing so.

[Elcristoph]

try deveolping a tougher skin and not jumping on the moral high horse every time you see a not so PC comment. somthing made me laught so I commented that it made me laugh. but from this simply expression of humor you assumed to know me and my polotics.

Now Im not going to presume to know anything about you so Ill just leave ot at that..unless you want to talk more about it

[HighlandFreePress]

Foreign Secretary David Miliband

"Common Purpose"

[slintirreg]

what a reasonable and qualified discussion! why isn't there something like this in german television?

[sguardian870]

i love the lady shami she spoke so much sense they are picking and choosing wars people they will take down based on thier own gain if it has no benefits then they dont care simple as that.

[sguardian870]

please this is shit, why do we care if he is killing his opposition he has been doin this for decades and even got made a knight in the height of his dictatorship. So how the hell can they talk now he has been doing this. wait does it have anything to do with the fact that whites got affected this time mmmmm....

[nizxbit]

We're fucked when Tim 'Milliband' Henman gets to become PM -Apologist pc wanker.

[dymuniadaugorau]

I fucking HATE Shami Chakrabarti !!!!!!!!

She is a poisonous cowardly hypocrite-whose only real ' libertine' sympathies are for those would be terrorists and other ethnic minority scum who have been found out in advance by the authorities-and rightly detained in the interest of national security.

Why doesnt she piss off to the middle east to launch her crusade on 'Human Rights' if she is that much concerned about torture and injustice?

-instead of using the UK as a safe haven?

[nizxbit]

Question is- do you hate her as much as me-I absolutely fucking despise her with every fibre of my being,she is pure unadulterated scum even worse than kiddie touchers,Sheridan and Galloway rolled into one.

[kellyc612]

"Other ethnic minority scum". Wow, way to tarnish people with the same brush like that. I'm disgusted your comment got any thumbs up at all, to be honest.

[dobbydoobydob]

shami, the question is, do you take it up the arse?

[LordUmber]

Douglas Hurd looks so much like my GP it's uncanny

[yobadobadoo]

shami, suck my cock please.

[lllnnn333]

what the hell was will young doing on there,... is he dim who look embarrassed,he sould stick to singing and shagging women ...

[karuspery]

And we give millions to Gambia etc.Commonwealth is a joke.

[CaptainAlexxx]

is it wrong to find Shami Chakrabarti hot?

[TissuePrices]

sick

[brynnreed]

Judging by her hair cut etc, she doesnt find men attractive Or maybe she is exercising her right to look like a mincing lesbian whilst happily married to a man :)

[Elcristoph]

"Judging by her hair cut etc, she doesnt find men attractive" - LOL...I see what you did there..

[ruella1]

Elcristoph you're kinda stupid.. you are so close minded... so what if she has short hair and not wearing a pink flowery outfit??? she is married TO A MAN and has a child with him... do your homework.. and if you are going to critisize then let it be constructive!

[rhii07]

mugabe is just a nigger

[uplatedreaming]

Dear rhii07, I think you must be a ZANU PF supporter to say such idiot racist nonsense if your a white man you should be ashamed of your self. Falling into degenerate ignorance, you can't go around behaving like a ZAUN PF racist its just not good enough.

[tavvenbizzy07]

U re pathetic !

[arehtx]

"He was in the Commonwealth, with a lot of other people we disagreed with"

Exactly. The Commonwealth is full of fuckhole African despots. Why shouldn't we knight them all?

[CaptainStern2]

lol douglas hurd.

[newminkey]

Douglas Hurd shows just how useless the Tories were, and there's no evidence they've improved.

As for Shami Chakrabati, she spoke a lot of sense here, (unlike her pronouncements on UK poliy which only serve to make life easier for criminals and terrorists). Why doesn't Shami join Amnesty International, rather than her current role of blocking our attempts in UK to fight crime and terrorism?

[StoogeWatcher]

The UK should go back in and recolonize Zimbabwe.

[Makkitotosimew]

Any chance you can upload the rest of this episode? I really liked the comments Shami and Peter made on habeas corpus in light of the government's move to extend pre-charge detention to 42 days.

[Mavster101]

That was meant for whiteworldreturns, he sounds like a dick.

[jojojames1995]

someone has been wanking behind the scenes! there is soo much that can be done. oh my word! watch the cancer grow. magabe is laughing at britian. he loves how you guys are talkig about him, that he actually mean somehting. what a joke! 'my zimbabwe' ptsh, w/e, 'MY BRITIAN'!!!

[Mavster101]

I find it funny how this debate comes across as a battle to win favourability within internal politics, this debate doesnt mean a fucking thing, its just another wast of time before something gets done, fuck the UK, its so self involved.

[whiteworldreturns]

Serves them right for voting out a decent, White regime under Ian Smith.

[Mavster101]

That's not what this is about you shite

[xibuxu]

An English man is quoted as saying " all English people always tell lies". so if he is right then his statement is wrong and if he is wrong his statement is right...No scenario fits into a stencil. every scenario has got its unique features.. Digging a lot deeper into the matter will make a huge difference.

[chrysoulitsa]

African leaders got to become proactive, it is clear that this is an African issue and must be dealt accordingly... Life is far to cheap in Africa... anyone from there know this only to well... we can not look for resolve for the US or Brits... it just would not feel right....to either give it or recieve it.... This is an African issue and should be dealt with aqccordingly... Mugabe can not get away with what he is doing it will only lead to others getting ideas of there own it must be stopped..

[Siriaan]

Let's try again: Mugabe uses violence as a political tool. You think this is justified?

[xibuxu]

Siriaan, i think standards are a prerequisite for any form of measurement. imagine a politician in Liberia and an economist in wall street looking at the current oil price. to the former it means pain and uprising while to the latter it means maximum profit from speculating. Them two guys have different standards of measurement. Then who is right and who is wrong? i would say it is subjective, can be right or can be wrong depending on who is commenting.

[boognish100]

Torture, intimidation, blocking aid, all as a means of maintaining political control... this can never be justified. It is not subjective. The Liberian politician is well within his right to maximise his profit, Mugabe does not have the right to use violence against the people of Zimbabwe.

[xibuxu]

Siriaan,are you African? Culture & tradition should influence the style of governance but this is not the case in so many African states. They imported raw foreign governance systems. This is a huge problem in our continent. There is no continuation. we are building our houses on air. We are so vulnerable. Majority of people in Africa do not understand the democratic system of governance, it was imposed on them. e.g no indigenous law is reflected on the justice system in South Africa.too bad..

[Siriaan]

He uses violence as a political tool. You think this is justified?

[xibuxu]

ooh!man.. "human gods".....and some brothas and sistas.. Discussing Zim. Almighty Britain.. all its people are angels, are spot less, they don't steal, colonise,oppress,manipulate, kill, loot what is not theirs,not arrogant,they do not demand other people's land.. oohhh they are so clean. That is why is so easy for them to notice a spot of blood on Pres. Mugabe's garment. If it was not fro Pres. Mugabe, Pres. Mbeki and the other freedom fighters, i would still be a slave. Tatenda zvikuru...

[Siriaan]

so that gives him the right to be a thug?

[xibuxu]

Who is a thug? not so long ago, Pres.Mugabe and his comrades were fighting for their own Land, many of his comrades and our people were brutally murdered for what is genuinely theirs.Did those who are still alive get their land back? where is the land? who occupies it? who controls their natural resources? who is benefiting from thei natural resources? who is poor? who is rich? please!!why blame Mugabe? is he capable of destroying the economic system to be what it is today? Fungai Mukoma..

[boognish100]

"why blame Mugabe? is he capable of destroying the economic system to be what it is today?"

Well in a word, yes. His post-2000 land reforms screwed up the agricultural productivity. By redistributing land ownership to people who had little ability or inclination to actually run the farms, it turned Zimbabwe from the bread basket of South Africa into a country that now struggles to feed it's own population.

[xibuxu]

Is Zim GDP 50% Agriculture? What is inflation? What is Trade balance? What is FDI, portfolio investments? is Zim gov suppose to come up with FDIs, portfolio investment and trade with its self? Where are the international banks based?who controls the Brenton-woods instituition? or have Zim natural resources disappeared?Do sanctions always have to be made public? Mukoma, this is a clear sabotage. If the Arabs & Asians can withdraw frm supporting USA's deficit, same thing will result.

[boognish100]

Poor management of the economy and political turmoil is what's led to this economic hardship. If Mugabe can't offer stability in order that foreign direct investment can thrive, what does he expect? There's interference with, and intimidation of, the judicial system, as well as maintenance of unrealistic price controls and exchange rates has led to a sharp drop in investor confidence.

Since early 2004 Zimbabwe ceased foreign debt repayments, resulting in compulsory suspension from the IMF.

[boognish100]

The only sanctions in place are personal sanctions against about 130 senior Zanu-PF figures. There are no sanctions against trade or investment with Zimbabwe.