He is a human who came in the flesh and pre-existed as the impersonal logos, but is now ressurected and takes part in the divine nature along with heavenly beings and in the future his resurrected brethren. He is also a life giving spirit which is why he is the everlasting Father. He has only one center of consciousness and only one will. He is unique because he is both the son of God and son of man. This means he was not condemned by Adam's sin, but took part in fallen nature as the son of man.
He is exactly what the Bible says He is. The first born of all creation, God Almighty's only begotten son, the exact representation of God, the very image and likeness of God. Any place it calls Jesus God in the Bible if you keep reading a few more sentences the author clarify s himself by saying a statement like what I wrote above. You have to read the Bible in context and not just stop when it says something you want to believe.
@olympics1234567 Thank you. I believe that as well. Looks like we are in agreement about that. Still, you evade the main part of my question. Thanks for trying though.
@supermanny73 I don't feel I'm evading your question. I feel that what you want to know is what I don't believe about Jesus. I don't believe He is God. I do believe He is Gods son. He is powerful and His power was given to Him by His Father. I believe He did not always exist. That He was the firstborn of all creation and that He was begotten , just exactly as the Bible says.
@supermanny73 Who's Jesus? Well, one thing is very true, he isn't eternal nor is he the Eternal who alone hasn't had a beginning of days(begotten) nor has he had an end of days(died). Jesus did have a beginning, he is the beginning of God' creation, the firstborn of all creation, who is the image(representation) of the invisible God the first spirit son before all creation-Pro 30:4. Who devested of his begotten glory to become one of us and will retain that nature(man) forever by his God' will.
@jehovahistheonlytrue thank you for your response. Again, not trying to debate, just want to document what non-trinitarians are saying about the person of Jesus. So far:
1. divine, but not like the father, only like the angels.
Would you classify him as an angel or a class all by himself?
21...the FDS teach all JW to worship the only true God YHWH. While I disagree with them on several different issues......I will not be the one held accountable. No one has everything right 21....especially the Born Againers......Worshipping the true God is far more important than you imagine my friend. If your starting point is a false triune god....it can only get worse from there.
LOL, you sure aren't patient are you? I told you to wait. But hey, I guess this way you can get every body's else's answers. You're still going to have to wait for mine like everyone else. Take care. =)
@TheGenuineChristian Yuratchka, u r by far not the only person's opinion i'm looking for. I look forward to watching you video. Feel free to post as a video response.
Matthew 16:16. Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, e“Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
@TheSnarkyApologist, if you struggle with that, is there any hope for me when I start to make videos? Gosh, comments are hard enough on YouTube with 500 characters spaces or less...
The way I see it is like this. There are a very limited number of classes - God, Angel, Man and the Animal & Plant kingdom. So where do they put The Word - Jesus Christ?
That's the way I see it to Richard. And Jesus Christ, the LORD of the very Sabbath day (Mt 12:6-8) is YHWH God, the maker of the heavens and the earth the sea, and all that in them be (Jn1:3,10; Ac 4:24; Col 1:16-17; Gen 1:1; 2:1-4; Ex20:11; Ps33:6;102:25; Isa45:12,18; Heb1:2-3, 10-12; 3:3-4; Rev 4:11, etc...). As man's Redeemer and Saviour, according to all Bible, and in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets and the Psalms, Only the true God YHWH is man's Redeemer and Saviour.
>"There are a very limited number of classes - God, Angel, Man and the Animal & Plant kingdom."
I agree with the classes, because the bible says so. I only wouldn't call them "limited", but that's my personal view, because there are more subdivisions within the classes.
>"So where do they put The Word - Jesus Christ?"
As the firstborn, divine & only begotten Son of God. In fact the highest of angels, the archangel from 1Thess.4:16 & head of the Christian congregation.
Good questions Manny. I've been thinking the last few days about Rev. 19:16 where Christ is called "King of Kings and Lord of Lords". But at Romans 10:9-13 Jehovah's Witnesses believe their are 2 Lords spoken of, Jesus and Jehovah. This theology is inconsistent. Great message Brother. God bless
@JAKEV25 Hi Jake... I for one am glad that Dan continues to warn his former brothers of the dangers and deadly doctrines of this high control authoritarian organization. Would it be correct of me to say (considering the company you now keep and the videos you promote) that you have seen the light and are no longer a JW?
He is a human who came in the flesh and pre-existed as the impersonal logos, but is now ressurected and takes part in the divine nature along with heavenly beings and in the future his resurrected brethren. He is also a life giving spirit which is why he is the everlasting Father. He has only one center of consciousness and only one will. He is unique because he is both the son of God and son of man. This means he was not condemned by Adam's sin, but took part in fallen nature as the son of man.
TruthAtlas 3 months ago
He is exactly what the Bible says He is. The first born of all creation, God Almighty's only begotten son, the exact representation of God, the very image and likeness of God. Any place it calls Jesus God in the Bible if you keep reading a few more sentences the author clarify s himself by saying a statement like what I wrote above. You have to read the Bible in context and not just stop when it says something you want to believe.
olympics1234567 3 months ago
@olympics1234567 Thank you. I believe that as well. Looks like we are in agreement about that. Still, you evade the main part of my question. Thanks for trying though.
:)
supermanny73 3 months ago
@supermanny73 I don't feel I'm evading your question. I feel that what you want to know is what I don't believe about Jesus. I don't believe He is God. I do believe He is Gods son. He is powerful and His power was given to Him by His Father. I believe He did not always exist. That He was the firstborn of all creation and that He was begotten , just exactly as the Bible says.
olympics1234567 3 months ago
@supermanny73 Who's Jesus? Well, one thing is very true, he isn't eternal nor is he the Eternal who alone hasn't had a beginning of days(begotten) nor has he had an end of days(died). Jesus did have a beginning, he is the beginning of God' creation, the firstborn of all creation, who is the image(representation) of the invisible God the first spirit son before all creation-Pro 30:4. Who devested of his begotten glory to become one of us and will retain that nature(man) forever by his God' will.
CristoYcruz 9 months ago
@jehovahistheonlytrue thank you for your response. Again, not trying to debate, just want to document what non-trinitarians are saying about the person of Jesus. So far:
1. divine, but not like the father, only like the angels.
Would you classify him as an angel or a class all by himself?
supermanny73 9 months ago
@jehovahistheonlytrue either he is or he isn't. what is it?
supermanny73 9 months ago
@jehovahistheonlytrue divine in the fullest sense of the word without a kind of spin or second hand meaning. divine as the father is divine.
supermanny73 9 months ago
21...the FDS teach all JW to worship the only true God YHWH. While I disagree with them on several different issues......I will not be the one held accountable. No one has everything right 21....especially the Born Againers......Worshipping the true God is far more important than you imagine my friend. If your starting point is a false triune god....it can only get worse from there.
JAKEV25 10 months ago
LOL, you sure aren't patient are you? I told you to wait. But hey, I guess this way you can get every body's else's answers. You're still going to have to wait for mine like everyone else. Take care. =)
TheGenuineChristian 10 months ago
@TheGenuineChristian Yuratchka, u r by far not the only person's opinion i'm looking for. I look forward to watching you video. Feel free to post as a video response.
supermanny73 9 months ago
Matthew 16:16. Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, e“Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
BatmanMatrixphenom 10 months ago
I'm trying to mirror this, but something's wrong w/my YT downloader...bear with me!
msm1876 10 months ago
how in the world did you get your point across in under 3 minutes? Do you know how I struggle with that? lol!!!
TheSnarkyApologist 10 months ago
@TheSnarkyApologist LOL... is that your thorn in the flesh?
21crosscheck21 10 months ago
@TheSnarkyApologist, if you struggle with that, is there any hope for me when I start to make videos? Gosh, comments are hard enough on YouTube with 500 characters spaces or less...
barbsinclair 10 months ago
The way I see it is like this. There are a very limited number of classes - God, Angel, Man and the Animal & Plant kingdom. So where do they put The Word - Jesus Christ?
DontTweakTheGreek 10 months ago
@DontTweakTheGreek
That's the way I see it to Richard. And Jesus Christ, the LORD of the very Sabbath day (Mt 12:6-8) is YHWH God, the maker of the heavens and the earth the sea, and all that in them be (Jn1:3,10; Ac 4:24; Col 1:16-17; Gen 1:1; 2:1-4; Ex20:11; Ps33:6;102:25; Isa45:12,18; Heb1:2-3, 10-12; 3:3-4; Rev 4:11, etc...). As man's Redeemer and Saviour, according to all Bible, and in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets and the Psalms, Only the true God YHWH is man's Redeemer and Saviour.
barbsinclair 10 months ago
@barbsinclair But Barb...Hear O Israel......Jehovah, our God is One Jehovah......not three Barb...ONE. ECHAD.
How many gods Barb?
God the Son is not God the Father is not God the Holy Spirit
Count Barb...this is YOUR creed...the Creed of Jesus is the Shema. ECHAD
Either YOU or Jesus have the wrong creed Barb.
JAKEV25 10 months ago
@DontTweakTheGreek
>"There are a very limited number of classes - God, Angel, Man and the Animal & Plant kingdom."
I agree with the classes, because the bible says so. I only wouldn't call them "limited", but that's my personal view, because there are more subdivisions within the classes.
>"So where do they put The Word - Jesus Christ?"
As the firstborn, divine & only begotten Son of God. In fact the highest of angels, the archangel from 1Thess.4:16 & head of the Christian congregation.
Sabianfan 9 months ago
Interesting question... Will there be more supermanny vids in the future? I hope so
21crosscheck21 10 months ago
@21crosscheck21 could be...maybe a follow up to this one. I don't know...everything is happening so fast!
LOL!
supermanny73 10 months ago
Good questions Manny. I've been thinking the last few days about Rev. 19:16 where Christ is called "King of Kings and Lord of Lords". But at Romans 10:9-13 Jehovah's Witnesses believe their are 2 Lords spoken of, Jesus and Jehovah. This theology is inconsistent. Great message Brother. God bless
earnestlyseeking 10 months ago
@earnestlyseeking Thanks. I really just want to know what people's beliefs are. Consider this a survey. Thanks for watching.
supermanny73 10 months ago
@earnestlyseeking Always back to the JW earnestlyseeking.........When are you going to let it go? Be healed and move on.
JAKEV25 10 months ago
@JAKEV25 Hi Jake... I for one am glad that Dan continues to warn his former brothers of the dangers and deadly doctrines of this high control authoritarian organization. Would it be correct of me to say (considering the company you now keep and the videos you promote) that you have seen the light and are no longer a JW?
21crosscheck21 10 months ago
@21crosscheck21 I think Dan would be better off warned to stay away from false triune gods 21...and you too...And yes I am still a JW.
JAKEV25 10 months ago
@JAKEV25 Define JW... does that mean you are faithful to the Faithful and discrete slave?
21crosscheck21 10 months ago