Behind-the-Neck Pulldowns: Contraindicated Exercise

[make940000]

oh yeah and if you train for strength, doing negatives slowly may hinder your progress because it makes muscles sore, which is not super needed if you want strength

[make940000]

the externally rotating rotator cuffs are the muscle that specifically shortens when you put your arm like that, way to go fucker!

[tapoutexperience]

Joe knows squat: nice

[lanmibrt]

Are you sick ?

[Sh4ft07]

"the externally rotating rotator cuff muscles are stretched"... ehh, correct me if im wrong, but if you externally rotate the humerus, you are stretching the INTERNALLY ROTATING rotator cuff muscles?

[AlexScottFitness]

using your thumb makes your bicep do more work

[darkhand987]

idk i was taught by my weight lifting coach to go behind the neck...your not suppose to go crazy with momentum which is true because its suppose to be controlled... i've been doing behind the neck pull downs for 4 years and yet i haven't had any problems

[krillin876]

I love those guys that pin to the bottom during the seated cable rows and have zero form

[trochero80]

fucking lame boldi

[craigmancool]

use yoga in conjunction with strength training to find true strength.

[HBK2319]

0:06 Insert dick here!

[Ju2liii]

donk

[altafhssn14]

check profile

[delkredoprov]

F*cking stupid, assh*le !!!

[osfeco17]

type in "give me 4 week abs" in the search box and click on the video with hearts in the title to learn how to get a 6 pack in 4 weeks.

[jaac93e]

joe 6 pack is better than you... :)

[Z0mfgN00b]

what the

[medalomismada]

110 people were drunk when they rated this video

[startingover101]

wtf u dont have to go slow on everything.... i mean you want to feel it but you dont have to do that slow

[DinoH8sU]

good video i dont know why you got so many dislikes

[Pisscity]

what the fuck is this video

[crazyturbo]

NO PAIN NO GAIN !

[SinGlesRulez]

as jeff said ... thx joe

[jeffbass999]

No matter what people say... he's still quite helpful

[BecomeB]

Why they talk about Wide-grip pulldowns? Wide grip means that you take your grip from both ends...

[zootedsuit]

Behind-the-neck exercises have no functional purpose & you would NEVER need to do this movement in real life PERIOD! Would you pull yourself up & over anything with your head forward like this.............. NO!

[callami]

hijo de puta



[sambodybuilder]

HOW TO GAIN MUSCLE MASS IN ONE HOUR IN A WEEK...

simply go to easybodytips com

great website

[sliksQQ]

this sucks.

Watch this : /watch?v=lrdk78mdwxI

[zamsonub]

Just deadlift like a maniac focusing on strenght then end with some chill row machine.

[ciornianucristian]

and how the fuck am i supposed to workout my lats ?

[durkadurkabakalabala]

Likewise, the front pull-down shouldn't be a heavy exercise either. however, when we do pull-ups, we use our own body weight (which is the same exercise), so "heavy" is a relative term. I feel sorry for that guy you mentioned who crushed his skull, i don't see how that could happen seeing that the weight pulls away from gravity, unless he pulled it so hard that he hit his head and not the traps, or if the machine was broken. 

[durkadurkabakalabala]

I disagree. Think about the Squat. the bar is loaded behind your neck, on top of your traps. The best way to perform this exercise without hyper extending the shoulder cuff is to simulate the Squat, lower the bar while keeping the chest upright, but bent forward to a about a 60 degree angle, not upright, but not at a 45 degree angle either. Also, you are right that the neck is irritated, and the cuff is over extended, so that means it is not meant to be a heavy exercise

[mutzoo7]

Eccentric lowering is not the best way to exercise.

[GetDownOrLayDown31]

useless video, fucking joke doug jones.

[mrkiky]

this video is so stupid...I know shit about working out, but if I wanted to learn I would definitely not try to learn from a video this stupid....

[jimnjesse]

maybe you should mention too keep your scapulae/shoulders down while your goin back in the starting position;)"pullin trhe bar behind your neck is tearin your glenohumeraljunction and tears your rotator cuff"...tell me something new

[gggman15]

lifting weights slowly is the stupidest thing i ever heard becouse if you lift the weight slowly you will be slow, if you will lift the weight fast and explosively wo will gain speed and explosivenes and if you will lift the weight in normal speed you will get stronger, faster, more explosive and bigger, it really depends what you want, you have to understand that you body gives you whatever you need

[MrMetalinyourhead]

I have learned about lifting slowly in an anatomy/physiology class. I forgot all about that. You use energy more efficiently and don't tire out right away either trying to push as many reps as possible in two minutes. Thanks for the reminder. There was a lot of information on the subject of muscle anatomy.

[ARR0VV]

you know everything about bodybuilding and what is the best for us? you don't even train yourself, do you even try these exercises? this is waste of time.

[facelessfatloss]

I'm glad the video referenced injuries; I've had four people come to me with injuries from this exercise. This exercise should never be performed, in any manner...by anyone. FAR too prone to problems.

[benson1888]

yes doug i agree the negative is 50% of the exercise BUT doing it super slowly is not good, you will fatigue your muscles faster without tearing more fibres... controlling the weight up for 1.5 seconds and getting 2 more reps is better thancontrolling the weight up for 3-5 seconds and not getting 2 more reps.. see my point?

[gadigadigadigadi]

ur a retard... its like sayin u dont know how to drive a car so dont ever drive it cause it could be dangerous.. anything u wanna do u have to learn first. same thing goes with every workout.

[1crazyirish]

This guy deserves what he gets.He's misleading people.Behind the neck pulldowns give me the best pump in my lats.My shoulders are never in pain after my upper back workout,just sore.He talks fast, never trust someone who is a fast talker.

[rybkaart80]

@1crazyirish

I agre with you in 100%, I am training 5 years and never get a injury from pulling to the neck, but always mixing with one set of front one or doing three more reps in sets with pulling bar to my chest.

All about how flexible your schoulders are.

[TheBigBad47]

I find it best to mix it up front & rear. The potential for injury will always be present but we can't exclude exercises simply because a guy broke a bone in his neck. I've dropped a 45 lb plate on my foot, but I still use them. You need to work the infraspinatus , teres major & minor, rhomboids & latissimus dorsi respectively, so doing both front & rear "properly" will better isolate the entire muscle group. Along, of course, with other back exercises. I've trained for 32 yrs. Trust me I know.

[TheFilletShow]

This Doug guy is a real blowhard.

[randyadema]

damn what a fucking stupid asshole is that guy

[Pingu123489]

If this exercise is so bad why evey gym advises it to do it for people?

[ec130318]

man all these people need to shut the fuck up and if you dont like it go fuck your self

[Tibialmario]

people always trash talk about these videos. but if these people would just take a minute to actually watch these videos they would realise they have some good information in them. this guy talks sense!!

[sandica1000]

EPIC FAIL! This is totally wrong!

[shawnjoseph1]

check out str8cam.com

[reviewDS]

This is a great video thanks for sharing!.. I don't know why more people gave it thumbs down than thumbs up but you really know what you're talking about! With regards to the slowly pulling down and more importantly slowly letting it up to build strength.. I even gained a few tips I didn't know before I watched this, thanks for posting!

[clayprit]

i've seen the guy talking in other ones of these videos. trust me when i say he's in no position to give weight lifting advice.

[w8lifter26]

Wow you got a lot of flack for this BUT its all TRUE! So the nay sayers can shut up right now. Anyone who likes to pull the bar behind the neck is just asking for surgery...

[81HappyCat]

are there back exercises for women? maybe the same? i dont want to have a fat back.

[stefansteroid]

U retard ?

[Sablicious]

Tempo.

[afSilverstierna]

Haha, very funny learning! Thanks :)

[ALbundyMWC33]

Joe Six Pack + Doug = FUCKING COCKSUCKERS

[KELLY19832]

Fuck you Doug, you fucking Cocksucker. Build some muscle ASSHOLE, then teach. DOUG IS SHIT

[RecTaLDisTresS]

@KELLY19832 agreeD!!

[SemperFidelis0300]

Behind the neck pulldowns actually put more of the load on the middle muscles of the back like the trapezius', regular pulldowns put more focus on the lats. As with behind the neck shoulder pressing, behind the neck pulldowns can permanantly damage the rotator cuff. Everyones bodies are different, some peopel can do them and some cant. try the exercise and if you experience pain then don't do it.

[sd332schneider]

Shut up!

[Ronniedasmoker]

i seen arnold doing it that way and his back was "ripped" !! ok g

[ciscois15190]

thats cool, thats cool...right on...yep yep

[iplaytennis1]

Behind-the-Neck are awesome Muscle Fitness magazine did an article on this. If you just go down to parallel, you'll save your rotator cuffs. I see more "Joes" destroying their rotator cuffs by benching wrong.

[Nomgendat]

LOL! funny good information though

[acerfucker]

Actually the matter of fact is there is No best way to exercise cuz all the exercises are usefull but the most important thing is to stay in change among the exercises .for exampel if u train Bisyps with the dumbell the first time do with the burbell next time and so on ...

[mawiljohnson]

"Bisyps"  lmao.. apparently someone didnt go to school

[acerfucker]

I can't even understand he's saying the Best exercise for the muscles and he's putting a pro bodybuilder pics on the icon of the vedio ..that cuz he just wanna fall the guys attention on these vedios ..i don't believe him dudes..cuz all the exercises that hes dion it is nomal there is more difficult to workout ..

[Arne48]

Fucking bullshit! You don't know anything about anatomy etc and training.

[mmaman88]

I think he does

[KELLY19832]

@Arne48 Doug = Fucking Asshole

[smul1124]

Another informative video. Keep up the great work.

[RuidoAnticapitalista]

first of all, he's not doing it correctly....he goes forward and does jerky awkward movements instead of keeping a straight back. Secondly, this was in the "strength training anatomy" book. I don't think a "seriously unhealthy" exercise would be in such a prestigious book. Do you even know what you're talking about half the time?

[23LeBronbbalKing]

listen to what he says, this doesn't contradict your "book" dude, and secondly the real message he wants to put forward is that whatever exercice you do you should think about your health first, security is the most important thing, that's why he recommends you to avoid some exercices, but you still can do 'em with no risk for your health, just some for your safety. got me ?

[12maconbacon12]

joe the homo

[eautocad]

i wanted to see a man looking woman with obnoxiously large man-muscles. Interesting character, mysterious yet cunning. I bet she rides a harley.

[suoegah]

very nice!

[piinkbunnii]

hah me too..

I was like.. "what the..."

That's the only reason why i clicked.

They should have her do the instructions!

[eautocad]

She must be lost. I wonder what a sexual experience would be like with one of these types of girls. I bet it would be "interesting" and a great story for the garage.

[bonchidude]

Where is the babe? bait and switch.  I rate this vid a 1. I feel generous today.

[Stormray]

Joe Sixpack is pretty hilarious.

[KeroroGunsouTX]

Meh, don't use machines period. They almost always promote unnatural movement.

[najverjetnejsa]

true

[adammcc1315]

fuk up

[msk11234]

ive been doing behind the neck pull downs for years nothing has ever happened to me

[beutifulgirl98]

lol joe sixpack is funny

[sphinxrising58]

The more you lift weights, the more flixible you become, hence, behind the neck pulls will become easier over time when you make sure to do other exorcises as well.

Rear facing pushups will also give the same results as behind the neck pulls, plus they also build up your chest & neck, BTW

[jamezgt]

lol buddy, take a kinesiology course before you talk.

they're both two completely different movements of the shoulder joint.

[sphinxrising58]

I used to life weights with my friends all the time where we would push each other to see who could last the longest before collasping so I am more than a little familiar with what will give certain results, lol

Kinesology course ? Sounds trendy to me.

[jamezgt]

You probably had inproper form anyways.

"The more you lift weights, the more flixible you become"

First off, you spelled flexible wrong. Secondly, the more resistance you add and isolate a muscle, the higher the chances of that muscle tightening, why would a muscle get relieved from heavy resistance training?

Rear facing push ups will give the same result as behind the neck pulls? Rear facing push ups, is horizontal abduction, on the other hand, behind the neck pulls is strictly adduction.

[Drew426]

See its like this Powerlifters gennerally speaking have denser muscles because of the faster explosion of the excersises hence a smaller peron who powerlifts might in many cases be over all stronger that a bigger bodybuilder. Denser muscle is like that.

[thecubeisyou]

Care to provide some evidence or support for that?

[Drew426]

Actually if you have ever competed for strength (which I have) slower only makes you look good but doesn't give yo the real strength that explosive power does. Bodybuilders are usually bigger but are most of them way weaker than Powerlifters which use more explosion, Louie Simmons..look him up.

[Drew426]

He's only partially right. Front is better but also its about speed. You need to have explosive power to make yourself bigger. Slower is not going make you stronger. Not insane speed but if you have to go way slow its probably too much weight. There are two types of muscle fibers fast twitch and slow you need to do things to use them both effectively. Slow is not ever as good as having explosive power.

[zirconia80]

explosive power is just that. A big boom and it's done an over with. You need to practice and strengthen endurance so you can bring out the power longer.

lol I sound like a sex ed tape.

[aslansalive]

you're only partially right.. and by partially, i mean you make no sense. you don't need explosive power to make yourself bigger. i explode nothing, yet i grow. care to explain?

look, there are a gazillion different lines of logic when it comes to lifting weights. are you training for size, strength, endurance, overall fitness, etc. you can use different techniques to achieve different results.

[ccj55don]

super super slowly lol

[HUNTERSWEEPER]

true... i hyper extended and almost tore my rotate cuff doing sitting, BEHIND the neck, shoulder presses... after doing it for such a long time and ignoring the pain it finally took a toll on me.. i took over 1 yr. for it to heal.. doing them in the front does the exact same thing and NO stress to the rotate cuff

[ganandowf]

Holy crap the thumbnail had big man(?) mellons!!

[wconditi]

The lowering phase or eccentric portion of the lift should not be done super slowly. Under control is all that is necessary. Studies have shown that faster not slower eccentric motions induce more stimulus to muscle and connective tissue. Not to advise dropping the weight, but certainly not super slow. There are no 'secrets' to strength. It's a science.

[JeffandKelly77]

that was just stupid!!!!

[cutie365795]

wow whAT IS THE VID SAPOS TO BE ABOUT ANYWAY

[rhenry501]

where'd the pretty girl go? I mean Joe's ok...and the advice was excellent...but the girl in the bronze bikini was kinda like Pricess lea on roids i was hoping to get a better look at her...

Any thanks for the good advice it may explaine why my shoulders are killing me.

[dreicemoney]

the old bait and switch.. Fuck You!!

[markitymark90]

Is Joe's form good? I don't know the correct form for pulldowns, so I need something to base my form on.

[embracedestruction]

Quit whoring of TheAmazingAtheists popularity you stupid, worthless cunt of a human being. PS your videos are dumb

[omfgMASTERomfg]

What is the best way lose weight and '' fat '' ?

[aaronfromhastings]

Eat smaller portions, and wait for five minutes after eating before deciding you are not yet full. The feeling of fullness is a delayed one. Don't eat anyway until you are bloated, just comfortable.

Don't drive if you can walk, Don't walk if you can run, Don't sit if you can stand. Take the stairs as a matter of commitment, satiate your hunger with healthy foods, then when you are full, eat just a little of the treats to finish off. Eat well at breakfast and have two main meals, not three.

[vdp4ever]

Smoke and sex

[Tleaf]

I really don't feel my lats burn at all during my back workout's :( do you have any suggestion's? I dropped all my weight back to focus on technique.

[StandFirm]

The best exercise even invented for the lats, in my opinion, is the first one EVER invented by the founder of Nautilus. In 1970, the first Nautilus Pullover machine came to market, which was the first exercise to place variable and direct resistance on the latissimus dorsi muscles.

I discuss how to do this machine in detail on my website and my DVDs. It's fantastic!!!

Doug :-)

TheBestWayToExercise(dot)com

[suoegah]

......you know Doug no internet geeks who are fat and just look at videos on youtube all day are gonna buy your book

[aaronfromhastings]

Spam

[jaries12]

@StandFirm Best how? For strength, size or both? I disagree as I believe in practical training... machines are generally not practical.

[durkadurkabakalabala]

@StandFirm I disagree here too. Nautilus machines cancel out core stability, they keep you stationary and isolate the muscle groups, especially that pullover machine, which really was meant to target the serratus intercoastals, in my opinion. But the best exercise for the lats will always be dumbbell rows, or barbell rows. And the whole concept of "feeeling the burn" is asinine altogether, the goal is to progress in workload and perform the movements correctly

[durkadurkabakalabala]

@StandFirm Let's go with your philosophy that we are supposed to feel the muscle burn. Well why don't I just take a 2x4 and smack your lats 12 reps for 3 sets? You'll definitely "feeel" that too. Okay, I admit, I'm trolling. But get your facts straight before you confuse people =p

[DonnyTallaa]

@Tleaf when fully extending on the lat pull down let ur shoulders loose, and before u pull down shrug ur shoulders down then pull the bar to ur chin and back to starting..

[dannydxl1]

nice but the thumbnail for this vid is horrid

lol

[DLuangsay]

Well, I'll stop doing that and tell all my friends that now lol.

[theguy1322]

When you do pullups behind the neck is that also bad?

[StandFirm]

It's completely impressive... but not the best. :-)

[theguy1322]

So pullups behind the necks can cause injury or no?

[lifeinkansas]

i have seen so may people doing behind the back and always the end up with stiff shoulders. i did it once and was unable to do a pull up after ward. thanks for the great videos

[StandFirm]

Thanks! :-)

[rctecopyright]

Eh good to know. I used to just behind the back pulldown because it looked cool.

[dmiraie]

it's important to make it clear to folks that your magical "84 day" results are due, in a massive part, to genetics. countless people could have copied EXACTLY EVERYTHING you did during your training... and they might have not gained a pound of muscle or lost a pound of fat. diet and exercise play a part, but in the end, it all comes down to genetics. there are no magical UNIVERSAL training procedures. this is why everyone has a DIFFERENT opinion. all one can do is experiment and experiment.

[SmileWipes]

"Joe Six-Pack"... that's a good one! What's wrong with that guy??

VERY good tip. Thanks for continuing to throw out all the fast and furious exercise tips.

I had to listen to this a few times in order to catch everything you said.

Do you drink Red Bull before filming? :-)