"The Messenger believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, as do the faithful. They all believe in God, His angels, His scriptures, and His messengers. "We make no distinction between any of His messengers," they say, ‘We hear and obey. Grant us Your forgiveness, our Lord. To You we all return!"" (Quran 2:285)
@sorportal I'm not sure where you ate getting your information from especially about the holy Quran, the Quran is completed. Some Shias disagree but then they are in the tiny minority and aren't even counted as Muslims for some of their beliefs.
Quran is all about JUSTIFICATION by Muhammad for attacks on Kafirs (Pagans & Polytheists) for spread of SUBMISSION (Islam) by feeding words through Allah's mouth
Muhammad knew without Allah young men would not sacrifice their lives FOR HIM
Quran: Muhammad's Justification for crimes, murders, wars, raids, robberies & sex with non-Muslim slaves
Several Hadiths like Bukhari 4:56:733 & Quran 22:40 etc. Say Muhammad & Muslims were not even harmed, forget killing them
Mirza M Khan an Armenian said: "Tell Muslims There is something in the Quran and they will die for you"
Muhammad ordered the cutting down of Palm Trees belonging to Banu Nadir Quran 59:5
Bible, Deute. 20:19-20 (God forbids destroying trees providing food)
The exact words spoken to Abu Sufyan in Muhammad's presence:"Submit & testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of Allah before you lose your head"- (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 814). He did.
Abu Sufyan's son, Muawiyah, inherited the empire after defeating Muhammad's adopted son, Ali
He also poisoned Hasan, one of the prophet's two favorite grandsons
Abu Sufyan's grandson,Yazid, became the next caliph and promptly had the head of Muhammad's other favorite grandson Hussein, brought to him on a platter
Such are the perils of forcing others to say that you are a prophet when they prefer to believe otherwise
"Muhammad is naught but a Messenger; Messengers have passed away before him. Why, if he should die or is slain, will you turn about on your heels?" (Quran 3:144)
@2angeline 3:144 (144. Muhammad is no more than a Messenger, and indeed Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; and Allah will reward the grateful. ) talks about people turning away from allah when the prophet pbuh passes away, it wont matter to allah if that happens. Talk about selective translation, you missed a bit.
@sorpotal Hate is not in the holy quran, why dont you look at the old testament and the bible i think you'll find extreme passages there too. 8:15-16 (15. O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battlefield, never turn your backs to them.) (16. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day - unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own) - he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from Allah And his abode is Hell, and worst indeed is that destination!)
@sorpotal bible was one of gods books, like the holy quran and the old testament(torah), all allahs/gods books. I respect all changes made or not the rest should do the same.
@sorpotal what dont you un derstand of this verse, stop quoting the quran out of context. 8:40 (40. And if they turn away, then know that Allah is your protector -- (what) an excellent protector and (what) an excellent helper!),3:131 (131. And fear the Fire, which is prepared for the disbelievers.) again quoted out of context. .....
@sorpotal5:59-60 (59. Say: "O People of the Scripture! Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and in what has been sent down to us and in that which has been sent down before (us), and that most of you are rebellious'') (60. Say: "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, and those of whom He transformed into monkeys and swine, and those who worshipped Taghut;....
@sorpotal .....such are worse in rank, and far more astray from the straight path.'' 8:1 1. They ask you about Al-Anfal (the spoils of war). Say: "Al-Anfal are for Allah and the Messenger.'' So have Taqwa of Allah and settle all matters of difference among you, and obey Allah and His Messenger, if you are believers.) Again misqouted, this was to settle an issue between muslims, everything belongs to allah we are all his creation.
To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFL LOOOL
@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
*Abdullah bi abu Sarh who said 'MUHAMMAD IS A LIAR' was one of his very earliest Scribe (Quran writer) of Muhammad who had the unusual insight to actually WAKE UP to the fact that Muhammad was MAKING UP 'revelations' as, when, and where he needed them (Sunan Abu-Dawood #4345/6 Narrated by Sa'd ibn Abu Waqqas).
GUILT OF MUHAMMAD IS PROVEN BY Surah 23:12-14. Muhammad defending himself
*Ibn Qumta another scribe also said Muhammad is a liar Bukhari 4:56:814
The Quran alone is Allah's consistent word, the Quran alone is Muhammad's consistent recitation.
Your hadith sources did not exist until centuries later, and cannot even agree with themselves. I agree with BroBijak and Reasonlight however: Islam is not about ego, pride or converting non-Muslims. The Quran is enough for those who wish to be taught.
Even if tells about Muhammad, Bible is not word of God. Allah's witness about Muhammad is enough. Allah says he was his messenger and servant through him Quran, his message, was delivered to humanity.
To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFL LOOOOL
@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
@sorpotal@sorpotal God created every thing including causes and respective effects. If I put my finger in it is charred. Allah did this charring. He has given guidance or right path. Whosoever ignores it, does so at his own risk.
The Quran is Allah's narration and Allah has protected it from corruption, He refers to Himself from every perspective so that we may know Him.
The appropriate pronoun (I/He/We) is used throughout to prevent mankind from setting up Muhammad (or any other) as Lord beside Allah. Control of the heavens and earth belongs to Allah alone.
@2angeline Allah is not the God of the bible, the Quran opposes the Bible, the Quran denies the death and resurrection which is so dominant in the Bible.
Everything we need to know about Muhammad is in the Quran. Muslims are commanded to believe in all the prophets *without* making any distinction, and we devote ourselves to the One God alone.
Muhammad preached, followed, and left us with, the Quran alone: lying, stealing, aggression and rape are totally prohibited.
"Say [Prophet] I am only a human being like yourselves. It is revealed to me that your God is One God. So let him who hopes to meet his Lord do good deeds and let him associate no one else in the worship of his Lord." (Quran 18:110)
The messenger of the Quran harmed no one. He preached the faith of Abraham (pure monotheism), in order to bring people out of the darkness of idolatry/misguided cultural beliefs.
To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFL LOOOOOL
To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFLMAO :))))
@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
"Say[Prophet]: ‘I have devoted myself to God alone and so have my followers.’
Ask those who were given the Scripture, as well as those without one: ‘Do you too devote yourselves to Him alone?’ If they do, they will be guided, but if they turn away, your only duty is to convey the message. God is aware of His servants." (Quran 3:20)
To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFLMAO :))))
To continue, the words and deeds need to be considered, not just one word in the Bible. There are many prophecies about Jesus. Jesus' miracles are very convincing and were described by the four authors of the Bible. I personally do not see in the Kuran anything close to the Bible. And Jesus does not say that I cannot investigate the Kuran. The truth speaks and is freedom.
One word in the old testament is supposed to justify all Islam and Muhammed? I don't think this would hold up in a court of law. The great pyramid of Giza has passages and symbolism with a timeline that depicts the birth and life of Jesus, and the timeline continues on to today and soon ends in the Kings Chamber. It goes right past the time of Muhammed with no marking whatsoever. This sign is also mentioned in the old testament. Muhammed could be a false prophet mentioned by Jesus.
IF YOU WANT TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN- you have to accept that God was born through the vagina of a woman, was breast fed, potty trained, and then as adult was tortured, humiliated and them murdered so that some folks can PARTY IN HEAVEN ! and then blame jews for it even though in the Christians mind its a twisted perverse Favor!
The difference between a true spiritual teacher and a conman is in their consistency. There are several teachings of Muhammad that can be compared to those of Jesus, BECAUSE HE HAD A CHRISTIAN MONK [Bahira] HELPING HIM, but the teachings of Jesus are consistent while those of Muhammad are not.
Even a criminal can give you good advises, this does not mean he is a good person. If words are not accompanied by deeds they are worthless.
Quran (9:23) says do not respect your non-Muslim Father & Mother
@miladmeah IF YOU WANT TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN- you have to accept that God was born through the vagina of a woman, was breast fed, potty trained, and then as adult was tortured, humiliated and them murdered so that some folks can PARTY IN HEAVEN ! and then blame jews for it even though in the Christians mind its a twisted perverse Favor!
I found a link between Christianity and Islam. Prophet Isa (PBUH) loved children.
Michael Jackson (PBUH) loved children and also liked to touch children up. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) liked to touch children up. Peace and unity to us all!
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them because they are apes and pigs. IF 'I' SAID THIS you would say I am mad or lock me up for good, Because Muhammad said this in Q 8:12 & 5:60 WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT AS GOD'S WORDS TO ALL MANKIND?
Muhammad undermined family relationships, and ordered his followers not to show kindness towards members of their families who did not become Muslims, Quran58:22
@MesMorial Clown, there was nothing to rebut in any of your arguments. All your arguments were based on baseless assumptions. You cut some words from some verses, twist them and bring as an argument for your case. Ironically, even your misunderstanding of the Qur'an is the proof that there were many people at the Prophet's time who misunderstood Qur'an as well. So how come Muhammad didn't exlain it to them and yet was gaining more and more followers. You are a mechanical joke! Enough!
@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of ur arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth (that Muhammad Peace be upon him is Allah's Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His Command. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things. sura 2:109 so to all the people who hate islam i forgive you WHY? because the quran tells us to
IF ITS NOT LOGICAL THEN IT CANT BE PLAUSIBLE DOES 1+1+1=1 NO! CHRISTIANS WAKE THE HELL UP THERES THINGS GOD CANT DO GOD CANT LIE GOD CANT SIN GOD CANT BEGET NOR WAS HE BEGOTTEN SURA 112:3 THERE CERTAIN THINGS GOD CANT DO WHY ? BECAUSE HES GOD..... GOD CANT BECOME HIS OWN CREATION HUMANS ANIMALS ETC BUT YOU TRINITY WHORES STILL INSIST THAT JESUS IS GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
@puppyjohn321 God can become his own creations, he appeared as a cloud, a burning bush etc it is the muslims who limit God. Mulsims misunderstand the Trinity - One is Echad (plural)
LOOK IM A MUSLIM AND I HAVE TO SAY WHO EVER MADE THIS VIDEO IS STUPIT WHATS THE POINT NO MATTER WHAT YOU TELL OR SHOW CHRISTIANS OR JEWS THEY,LL NEVER BELIVE IN OUR MESSENGER MUHAMMAD PBUH THEY WOULDN,T NO GOD EVEN IF HE CAME DOWN AND SMACKED THEM IN THE FACE THEY WILL NOT BELIVE
@puppyjohn321 Jews and Christians will not accept muhammad becaused of the errors in the Quran - he confuses mary (Moses sister) with Mary, Josephs wife, Nimrod and Noah in the same time, no wonder he had to resort to killing those who didn't covert to a different gospel. Muhammad was from the Quarysh tribe who were pagans worshipping the moon god Allah
To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFLMAO :))))
@miladmeah DUM ASS I KNOW A RABBI AND I ASKED HIM IS MUHAMMADS NAME IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURE AND HE SAID YES AND I SAID THIS IS GOOD NEWS WE NEED TO WARN PEOPLE AND TELL CHRISTIANS ABOUT THIS AND HE SAID THAT WOULDN,T BE A GOOD IDEA I SAID WHY ? AND HE SAID SON SOME PEOPLE JUST WANNA BE LEAD ASTRAY
@MesMorial Everyone saw how I wiped the toilet floor with you. You are indeed mechanical idiot who doesn't understand basics of Islam and hence Qur'an. No wonder you block people and delete their comments on your videos. Because they own you like shit! hahahahaha
@MesMorial Muhammad adhered to the Qur'an with human fallibility? LOL And what were his afllibilities if by some Western thinkers he's considered the greatest man in the history of humanity by succeeding in both religious and secular parts of his duty? Do you even understand how you contradict to logic and the Quran when you say that Muhammad didn't explain the Qur'an? How people would even trust and believe him if he didn't explain the message he brought? Dude, stop posing naked here. ROFLMAO
@MesMorial I am not going to go through your copy-pasted comments which you start dropping on every Islamic video when you start losing. I have just 2 questions which will finish you off: 1) What is Islamic message and where did you get it?
The message is point about the Last Day and what you have to do to be good. It is the warning (6:19, 6:51, 7:2, 19:97, 20:113, 42:7). It is the thing that is good enough to believe in by reading, which does not create contradictions (like with Qur'an + sunna).
2) Muhammad only followed what was revealed (2:170, 6:50, 6:106, 7:3, 7:203, 10:15, 10:109, 33:2, 46:9), which was the Qur'an (2:23). Anyone who says otherwise will go to Hell (2:24).
@MesMorial I just looked at 6:19 because in statistics and econometrics one sample is enough to get the idea of the whole population. Nowhere in 6:19 it says "this is the message of the Islam, believe in it and you'll be saved". Sorry, clown, you cannot debate using assumptions and expect to win. Now, the true answer: everything written in the Qur'an is the MESSAGE including the satan. Can there be a Muslim with a faith in Allah and the Judgement day but not in satan? Of course not. Owned!!!!
The Arabic Qur’an was revealed to the Messenger so that he could use it to warn people (6:19, 6:51, 7:2, 19:97, 20:113, 42:7). Therefore only the Qur’an contains religious obligations.
He was not sent to explain it. He only delivered it (5:99) and taught it, just as God taught it (55:1-2). It was God’s duty to explain the guidance, not Muhammad’s (16:9, 92:12).
49:15 does not say what you say it says. In order to make it fit your dogma, you have to differentiate the messengers from Allah (4:150). 4:150 also happens to show that Muhammad does not need to be mentioned, which is consistent with the redundancy of your shahada (63:1)
@MesMorial 63:1 was debunked, stop parroting it. Muhammad is the last prophet who confirmed all previous prophets: 37:37 " Nay! he has come with the (very) Truth, and he confirms (the Message of) the apostles (before him)."
Therefore instead of uttering all names of previous prophets it's sufficient just to say "Muhammad is Allah's messenger".
You should take some logic courses but before you need a brain transplantation, mechanical idiot. LOL
No 63:1 was never addressed since you are ignoring the fact that the phrase itself was condemned (as shahada). 37:37 does not negate the fact that ALL messengers must be believed in. Muhammad is not the representative of other prophets. Rather, the message is. I will document these few basic points which confirm the Sunni shahada is inadequate.
That is all that really matters. It is why I debate.
@MesMorial Here's 63:1 When the Hypocrites come to thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou art indeed the Messenger of Allah." Yea, Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His Messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the Hypocrites are indeed liars.
Nowhere in the verse it says that Muslims mustn't say that Muhammad is the messenger. Try to understand the concept. There could even be "We bear witness that there's no God but Allah" with the same meaning & hypocrites would still be hypocrites.
And Allah knows that you are most surely His Messenger.
Allah already knows that. What he wants to know is if you submit. The only reason you may have said the sunni shahada was because you already believed in the Qur'an, which is the actual thing that matters (and is what should be expressed in the shahada).
@MesMorial I am not going to go through your copy-pasted comments which you start dropping on every Islamic video when you start losing. I have just 2 questions which will finish you off: 1) What is Islamic message and where did you get it?
@MesMorial "Allah already knows that. What he wants to know is if you submit. The only reason you may have said the sunni shahada was because you already believed in the Qur'an, which is the actual thing that matters (and is what should be expressed in the shahada)."
LOL and our clown went back to what I said at the beginning because I debunked him! Dude, you are sheer embarassment. Please stop posing naked in public. We don't have problems with Muhammad, you do. You're not even a muslim! LOL
@MesMorial LOL you are teaching me all this stuff as if I don't know? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Clown, you have sickness in your heart and you don't even know. How do you think why ALLAH allowed so many false hadithes to be written about his messenger? Because his messenger is the path to Allah and Allah puts obstacles in that path for people who want to find excuses to reject Islam. Muhammad was not just a messenger, but a role model. He was created like that and he is a part of the message!
@MesMorial LOL apparently your tiny brain has a huge imagination which fills the intelligence gap. You saved what? What did I twist? Are you telling me that Muhammad did all those atrocities which some hadiths tell he did? Say yes and you will be finished according to the Qur'an. I mean, seriously, I cannot believe that I am debating basic things with you. You don't even have an a fundamental knowledge of Islam, yet you come and debate such serious issues. Ur clownish acts are beyond any limits.
The Sunnis has no chance, and they falsely think that they are the good guys. They protect each other's identity.
49:15 is no different to 4:150, where one must believe in the messengers as well as Allah. This is done by belieiving in the revelation. Ironically, you make a distinction between Allah and the message, whereas I am actually explaining to you they are represented in the message.
P.S. In fact, when one prays, one would always express belief in Allah and the implications of the message. The point there is belief in Allah and his message, not Muhammad. Muhammad was a messenger, but that is not the point.
So in prayer one must explicitly or implicity express belief in Allah and His Revelation. believing that Muhammad is the messenger is only a result of that, and is most certainly redundant to God (63:1).
@MesMorial Again, 63:1 is inside the verse 63 which is about HYPOCRITES, read the whole concept you fucking idiot. Maybe it's because of your hypocrisy that you are stuck in the verse about hypocrites? LOL Allah is great for sure!
Allah's revelation certainly includes Muhammad. Why Allah says that He sent Muhammad as a mercy for humanity? Why would he says that if Muhammad was just a means of delivering the message? I think you need a brain transplantation, even a monkey's brain would do. LOL
Why is he a mercy? Because he is the torch that provides light:
"And as one inviting to Allah by His permission, and as a light-giving torch." (33:46)
What is the light?
“And thus did We reveal to you an inspired book by Our command. You did not know what the Book was, nor (what) the faith (was), but We made it a light, guiding thereby whom We please of Our servants...” (42:52)
The sunni shahada cannot be obligatory, and if uttered AS shahada, must be accompanied by belief in the revelation which says he is the messenger, and the revelation which says it is from Allah.
Thus you get the true, pure shahada I presented.
JackSparrowDepp, despite his constant insults and cowardly anonymity, has been debunked.
@MesMorial LOL now you started talking about belief? But wasn't it you who who said that we are not debating intention, faith or belief but mere statements? Now after I handed your ass to you you back-peddle? Hahahahaha. Clown, as I said before, as long as a person believes in his heart shahadah as an utterance is IRRELEVANT! Go hit your head to the wall but try to understand my point. But if u talk about statement as utterance then Sunni shahadah is perfectly justified by the Qur'an. Debunked!
if it is irrelevant, why is salptl not mechanical? I have showed that the shahada (which you defend) is incorrect and inadequate.
Thus the only shahada worth expressing is the one I have provided. It is not about utterance, but sincerity. However, when one wants to be recognised as muslim, that is the shahada they should take so that other people see they are muslim.
When one submits, they should do so in prayer with not too soft voice (17:110).
@MesMorial No, fucking mechanical clown, you never showed that shahadah is irrelevenat. On the contrary, I showed you by 49:15 that shahadah is relevant. All your arguments are based on false assumptions, they are like a sand house, destroyable by a single short sentence. You just keep repeating the same refuted arguments. If you did this in a public debate you would kicked out of the building for your clownish acts. 17:110 is about a prayer, not shahadah LOOOOOOOOOOOOL zuahahahahahahahahahahaha
You were saying before that shahada is irrelevant. Now you have changed your words (although here i was not actually saying the shahada is relevant, but that the Sunni shahada is inadequate). It appears you are illiterate.
17:110 was discussed below, in that all prayer is an expression of belief in Allah and the implications of the message. It is redundant to God (63:1), thus I recommend the pure shahada when submitting to Him the first time.
@MesMorial Clown, I won't repeat zillion times the same things just because your brain doesn't get it. I have proved with 49:15 that Sunni shahadah is justified. But as long as someone has (or has not) faith in Islam in his heart any sort of shahadah is irrelevant for Allah.
17:110 only shows a part of a prayer, nothing more. Allah himself says that not all parts of Qur'an are understandable for everyone, so who are you? Besides, Allah didn't send only his books with prophets. Debunked!
jack, I have explained 49:15 more than adequately, and destroyed your point.
17:110 shows that all prayer is aloud, thus one explicity or implicitly expresses belief in Allah and the message. The first time one submits and turns to Him, the correct shahada should be uttered.
Not even Muhammad knew the allegorical parts. Who are you to tell me anything?
@MesMorial Mechanical idiot, I never said that I had a prooblem with any shahadah. It is you who said that you have a problem with Sunni shahadah. Sunni shahadah is derived from Quranic verses like 49:15. If you derive your own shahadah like that then it's OK but you have no right to say that your shahadah is the right one and the sunni is the wrong one because there's no verse which has explicit precise shahadah. So basically you lost this debate. Now run to your mom.
@MesMorial Again, u make me repeat the same things (what a rotten brain u have). I said that you must have problems with Muhammad if you suddenly drop his name from the shahadah and I was right because you clearly showed that you have. You lowered his status by saying that he's not part of the message (which you still didn't explain us what message). You degraded him to mere deliverer who had no understanding of the message, no role model, just like a robot who utters Quranic verses. U r exposed
that is a contradiction to what you said. How can you drop his name from the shahada? You can only stop upholding it as obligatory and thus committing shirk. Otherwise it is a shahada which means nothing. So one should drop that phrase.
He was only a warner (35:23). Nowhere does it say he had another purpose. If he did good in one instant, he set a good example (33:21). This does not magically add sunna.
Not sure how I am exposed, or why you KEEP SAYING it.
4) As shown in points 1) and 2), the sunni shahada is inadequate. Thus Sunnis, in upholding it as necessary to be seen as Muslim, support an un-Islamic practice and commit shirk.
Once again, when one says Muhammad is the messenger, it must be expanded with or as a result of believing the Qur'an and submitting. Saying that the phrase (48:29) is from God means that one should accept the rest of the Qur'an as from God.
3) JackSparrowDepp appears to be a fake non-Sunni, having referred to Salptl as "brother". However, he also says the shahada is irrelevant, meaning my reasoning should be acceptable. JackSparrowDepp cannot admit this, showing he is a Sunni telling lies. He previously said anyone who left Muhammad out of the shahada had a problem with Muhammad, which is not necessarily true rendering JackSparrowDepp mechanical. He cannot admit this.
@MesMorial LOOOOL now you are trying to back-stab me? hahahahahahahah Did I lower your self-esteen, Mr. little uneducated hypocrite? I referred to Salptl as "brother" because he's a MUSLIM unlike you. Even if he was Shia I would refer to him as "bro". Apparently your tiny brain fails to comprehend many things here. I handed your ass to you, mechanical idiot. Sunni shahada is relevant as a statement and 49:15 justifies it. You failed miserably, mechanical idiot! Can I laugh at you? Please hahaha
Muslims follow the Qur'an only. Salptl is not a muslim.
You are not a muslim, thus you are not his brother.
Why aren't sunnis mechanical? I have asked 3 times and you have not answered.
49:15 says to believe in Allah and His Messenger. This does not mean beliving that the messenger exists. It means accepting he is a messenger (4:150). 4:150 destroys your contention. One believes in the messenger by beliving Allah when He sends the message.
@MesMorial Where in the Qur'an it says that Muslims follow the Qur'an only? Where in the Qur'an it says that the Messenger can deviate from the Qur'anic teaching? Clownish troll, 4:150 is relevant for u because it's u who tries to separate Muhammad from Allah, not we.
So are u telling me that ALLAH wrote all those verses with "believe in Allah and his messenger" just in vain? Clown, religion and prophets are timeless concepts. I'm literally laughing my ass out at u. U r the dumbest person ever.
So a number of things to remember, and which JackSparrowDepp cannot answer:
1) The Qur'an confirms that the statement "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" is not enough (63:1). This does not need reasoning because the Qur'an says it.
2) The statement is not enough because one accepts the messenger by accepting the message. Thus to prove that one believed he was the messenger, one would have to express it as a result of the Qur'an's statement, meaning before or after doing so, accept Qur'an
Which is the same thing as saying that you believe the Qur'an when it says it is from God, and thus you believe that it is revealed from the one God. The Qur'an is key, because it is the tangible judgement.
Now if someone said to Muhammad that Muhammad was the messenger, it has to be based on what the Qur'an says, so same thing. Saying that Muhammad is the messenger is not enough - you should prove it by believing/following the Qur'an and submitting accordingly.
I have explained that saying Muhammad is the messenger is pointless, and even the Qur'an agrees with me. God already knows that. When you accept the fact these days, it is because of the Qur'an. Muhammad is not here anymore, so one cannot say he is the messenger as if it means anything. One has faith that Muhammad existed because of the Qur'an, thus it runs into the problem of circularity. If you repeat the statement, you should say you have faith in that statement because the Qur'an says it.
@MesMorial U keep parroting ur refuted arguments, clown. That doesn't help ur case. 63:1 is irrelevant as it doesn't have Sunni shahada and is about hypocrites. Again, you said "message". What is message? Where is it? The verse 49:15 debunks all your arguments but you keep repeating. Why Allah adds his messenger to the verse? My account was created by me in 2007 when you were still sucking your mom's breath. I'm owning your ass and the public sees that. Mechanical clown Quran is not a schoolbook
The statement makes up the sunni shahada, thus applies to it. Your argument is thus destroyed.
One believes in Allah and His Messenger as a result of believing in the book he was sent with. Why you ask what the message is only shows you are out of thoughts.
You seem to be someone who talked to me before. Perhaps I annoyed you or lowered your self-estemm, and you created a kamikaze account (which no-one can access) to try to win a debate.
9:1-3 says that an ultimatum is issued by “Allah and His Messenger”.
This ultimatum is entirely from Allah since He does not consult the Messenger in His decisions (18:26, 21:27).
The relationship between Author and Deliverer renders “Allah and His Messenger” “one” functioning “entity”.
63:1 has everything to do with the sunni shahada, because the sunnis uphold the shahada. The shahada is to express belief and submission. I have explained why your argument is legless.
@MesMorial If the shahadah is to express belief and submission then using your own MECHANICS 63:1 doesn't have "belief in Allah" and the whole verse 63 is about hypocrites. LOL owned! Who says that Allah consult anything with his messenger? That's irrelevant! This is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. U still don't get the point Allah makes: if He separates belief in Him and his messenger then that means some people might not believe in his messenger. Get it already, clown. Ok?
"Allah and His Messenger" refers to the single "entity" resulting from the relationship of Author and deliverer. If you do not yet know this, you should read the Qur'an again and clear your head.
Now, as a non-obligatory shahada, the sunni statement is redundant and circular as I said. Now if you walk up to Muhammad and say he is the messenger, this is likewise un-Islamic because it has to be based on the Qur'an. If they say it due to what he recites, they will follow it with shahada I gave
@MesMorial LOL I am asking you questions NOT because I don't know answers but because you don't know answers and I know that you don't know. How Allah and his messenger are single entity? This is now a shirk and not sunni shahadah. So if they are a single entity then it's OK when they are written together in the Qur'an but when someone utters them in his shahadah then it's wrong? Repeating Qur'an is wrong? Comedy gold! Seriously, you cannot make this up ROFLMAO :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@MesMorial I am insulting your stupidity and hypocrisy and I have a right to do so. You keep saying the MESSAGE but you never told us what it is. And where is shahadah "Allah through his Messenger" in the Qur'an? Give me precise and explicit verses instead of assumptions.
@MesMorial So u will continue to play ur game like this: Your opponent ownes you and you just say "you didn not get me". LOL. You said that Allah and his messenger is single entity. That means that they complete each other like partners and that's a SHIRK. Sunni shahadah clearly says Muhammad is Allah's messenger. Allah uses the same verb "BELIEVE" for both Himself and Muhammad in the same verse and says that only those who believe in both are true muslims. This totally debunks you. You're owned
No i said the relationship makes them "one". The relationship is the message. You did not get me, and I am quite sure of what I say.
All messengers are to be believed in (4:150), so Muhammad is not special. When you believe the message, you believe in the messenger. The sunni shahada is redundant (63:1).
If shahada is irrelevant, why are Sunnis not mechanical?
@MesMorial You're quite sure of your hypocrisy. Here's the verse which debunks you and totally justifies Sunni shahada: 49:15 "The believers are only the ones who have believed in Allah and His Messenger and then doubt not but strive with their properties and their lives in the cause of Allah. It is those who are the truthful."
Why Allah says that believers are only those who believe in him and his messenger, not only him? Because there's possibility to ignore his messenger. You are refuted.
No, when you believe in the message you believe in Allah and His messenger. Perhaps you did not read. The sunni shahada is redundant (63:1), and I explained it practically.
The sunni shahada is not necessary, because if it is not necessary to mention other prophets, it is not necessary to mention Muhammad. Rather, you would have faith in the message. you accept the messenger because of message.
@MesMorial You must be really the DUMBEST person who has ever walked on earth to say that Sunni shahadah ignores other prophets beside Muhammad. As I said before, statement is not important without faith. You wanted to debate only about statement. Here we do. Instead of uttering the names of all prophets isn't it logical just to utter the name of the last prophet who confirmed all previous ones? Besides, your message is brought by him. With your IQ level you should only go to the toilet. ROFLMAO
Hmm you see, if a person reads the Qur'an today and believes it, there is no point in saying "Muhammad is the Messenger", because the only relevant point is that you believe the message. Hence the shahada I provided. The sunni shahada does not demonstrate anything, and whilst it may not be a statement of shirk, it is shirk if you uphold it as obligatory (like Sunnis do).
Perhaps you should stop trying to redeem yourself.
Why use an electronic voice? That's not a human voice narrating. If you listen, every time it says a particular word (such as "Hebrew", "Mohammad", or "Prophet") it sounds IDENTICAL every time.
Sunnism is idolworship and full of contradictory dirt, but I can't refute it because it is what you follow. Since you will not accept the objective morality of scripture, or the criterion of religion, you are right.
@MesMorial Oh our clown is back. Objective morality of scripture? We are yet to see your knowledge of the scripture, moron. You still didn't bring your version of Shahadah from the Qur'an. Besides, you said that one cannot become a muslim without belief in Allah's prophets and then said that Muhammad is not part of the message. Contradiction! Do you even realize how dumb you are? LOL
Muhammad is not a part of the message. He was a messenger who brought the message, thus uttering the shahada according to the Quran will verify one's belief that he delivered the message. This is confirmed by 2:285.
@MesMorial You keep dancing around the topic without answering my questions. Your shahada is "Allah is the only God". Where does in the Qur'an it says that one has to utter those words in order to become a muslim? 2:285 doesn't answer my question, no Muslim denies any of Allah's prophets. By believing in Muhammad muslims confirm all other prophets whom Muhammad confirmed. How Muhammad is not part of the message if 2:285 denies you? "You're mistaken" - you sound like a little spoilt idiot ROFLMAO
@MesMorial u continue to dance, clown. 63:1 has NOTHING to do with the Sunni shahadah. The verse is about hypocrites. You cannot come up with assumptions to defend your case, shallow man. So what's your shahadah? There's a point in saying "Muhammad is the messenger" because there might be people who believe in Allah but not his messenger, ex: Christian Arabs also call God Allah. Besides, why Allah asks to believe in him AND his messenger if believing in Allah is sufficient? I'm owning you. ROFL
63:1 says the shahada is redundant, regardless of whether you think it has anything to do with anything.
If you do not know the shahada I offered, you must not have read anything I wrote.
These days the only reason they would say "Muhammad is the messenger" is because the Qur'an says so, so as an obligatory shahada it is firstly shirk and secondly illogical and circular.
Not sure what Arabs have to do with this? Allah's word is enough
@MesMorial U r trying to play a game but I won't allow u. The name of the verse 63 is "Hypocrites" hence it's about them, and 63:1 doesn't even have the Sunni shahadah. U keep proving that u r a mechanical idiot who cuts verses out of context and uses them to justify his assumptions. U haven't provided ur shahadah in our debate, go back & look. The message of Allah is everything written in the Qur'an, hence his messenger too. U didn't answer why Allah asks to believe in him AND his messenger.
@MesMorial Clown, you are confusing me with saptl. You never gave me any shahadah and there's no any shahadah in the whole Qur'an. 63:1 doesn't have to do anything with the Sunni shahadah, your parroting doesn't save your ass here. You keep saying "the message" but what is it? Why Allah says that true Muslims are only those who believe in him AND his messenger? Can you answer that? You find me boring because I'm wiping the floor with you. You're like a 10-year old boy who argues with an adult.
To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFLMAO :))))
To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFLMAO :)))))
"The Messenger believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, as do the faithful. They all believe in God, His angels, His scriptures, and His messengers. "We make no distinction between any of His messengers," they say, ‘We hear and obey. Grant us Your forgiveness, our Lord. To You we all return!"" (Quran 2:285)
2angeline 23 hours ago
@sorportal I'm not sure where you ate getting your information from especially about the holy Quran, the Quran is completed. Some Shias disagree but then they are in the tiny minority and aren't even counted as Muslims for some of their beliefs.
salptl 1 day ago
Quran has nothing spiritual in it
Quran is all about JUSTIFICATION by Muhammad for attacks on Kafirs (Pagans & Polytheists) for spread of SUBMISSION (Islam) by feeding words through Allah's mouth
Muhammad knew without Allah young men would not sacrifice their lives FOR HIM
Quran: Muhammad's Justification for crimes, murders, wars, raids, robberies & sex with non-Muslim slaves
Several Hadiths like Bukhari 4:56:733 & Quran 22:40 etc. Say Muhammad & Muslims were not even harmed, forget killing them
sorpotal 1 day ago
Mirza M Khan an Armenian said: "Tell Muslims There is something in the Quran and they will die for you"
Muhammad ordered the cutting down of Palm Trees belonging to Banu Nadir Quran 59:5
Bible, Deute. 20:19-20 (God forbids destroying trees providing food)
The exact words spoken to Abu Sufyan in Muhammad's presence:"Submit & testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of Allah before you lose your head"- (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 814). He did.
If Islam is Religion so is Nazism
sorpotal 1 day ago
Abu Sufyan got the last laugh
Abu Sufyan's son, Muawiyah, inherited the empire after defeating Muhammad's adopted son, Ali
He also poisoned Hasan, one of the prophet's two favorite grandsons
Abu Sufyan's grandson,Yazid, became the next caliph and promptly had the head of Muhammad's other favorite grandson Hussein, brought to him on a platter
Such are the perils of forcing others to say that you are a prophet when they prefer to believe otherwise
sorpotal 1 day ago
"Muhammad is naught but a Messenger; Messengers have passed away before him. Why, if he should die or is slain, will you turn about on your heels?" (Quran 3:144)
2angeline 1 day ago
@2angeline 3:144 (144. Muhammad is no more than a Messenger, and indeed Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; and Allah will reward the grateful. ) talks about people turning away from allah when the prophet pbuh passes away, it wont matter to allah if that happens. Talk about selective translation, you missed a bit.
salptl 1 day ago
@EyeCanSeeAll Please dont buy into Islam, I nearly did, Jesus is the way and he did have victory over death - only Satan would deny this
kidsarocker 1 day ago
muhhamad is not in the BIble, no matter how hard a muslim tries to twist the scriptures, he is not in the bible
kidsarocker 1 day ago
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HATE is IN THE QURAN
Koran 8:15-18 ALLAH NEEDS MUSLIMS TO KILL PEOPLE
K8:40 Make war on them (unbelievers)
3:131 Xtian & jews are firewood of hell
8:67 It is not for a Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land
8:1 Al-Khums, 20% of WAR LOOT belongs to Muhammad [ALLAH NEEDS WAR LOOT]
5:59-60 X'tians & Jews are apes & pigs
Muhammad was shown heaven by his SATAN when alive - NOW rotting in grave in Medina
Jesus? Raised to heaven body & soul
answering-islam.or g & alisina.or g
sorpotal 2 days ago
@sorpotal Hate is not in the holy quran, why dont you look at the old testament and the bible i think you'll find extreme passages there too. 8:15-16 (15. O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battlefield, never turn your backs to them.) (16. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day - unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own) - he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from Allah And his abode is Hell, and worst indeed is that destination!)
salptl 2 days ago
@salptl bible not by allah
sorpotal 1 day ago
@sorpotal bible was one of gods books, like the holy quran and the old testament(torah), all allahs/gods books. I respect all changes made or not the rest should do the same.
salptl 1 day ago
@salptl Bible was NOT from God - Inspired by God - NOT DICTATED BY GOD.
7 JEWISH TRIBES WROTE 7 VERSIONS Just like Quran has 7 versions and 6 of them were burnt.
sorpotal 1 day ago
@sorpotal what dont you un derstand of this verse, stop quoting the quran out of context. 8:40 (40. And if they turn away, then know that Allah is your protector -- (what) an excellent protector and (what) an excellent helper!),3:131 (131. And fear the Fire, which is prepared for the disbelievers.) again quoted out of context. .....
salptl 2 days ago
@sorpotal 5:59-60 (59. Say: "O People of the Scripture! Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and in what has been sent down to us and in that which has been sent down before (us), and that most of you are rebellious'') (60. Say: "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, and those of whom He transformed into monkeys and swine, and those who worshipped Taghut;....
salptl 2 days ago
@sorpotal .....such are worse in rank, and far more astray from the straight path.'' 8:1 1. They ask you about Al-Anfal (the spoils of war). Say: "Al-Anfal are for Allah and the Messenger.'' So have Taqwa of Allah and settle all matters of difference among you, and obey Allah and His Messenger, if you are believers.) Again misqouted, this was to settle an issue between muslims, everything belongs to allah we are all his creation.
salptl 2 days ago
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To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFL LOOOL
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
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@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
Owned like a doggy shit ROFL
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
i know how muslims wish to preach to others 5 bilions non-musllim to accept Islam. but its only by God's will they will see the righteous path.
BroBijak 2 days ago
*Abdullah bi abu Sarh who said 'MUHAMMAD IS A LIAR' was one of his very earliest Scribe (Quran writer) of Muhammad who had the unusual insight to actually WAKE UP to the fact that Muhammad was MAKING UP 'revelations' as, when, and where he needed them (Sunan Abu-Dawood #4345/6 Narrated by Sa'd ibn Abu Waqqas).
GUILT OF MUHAMMAD IS PROVEN BY Surah 23:12-14. Muhammad defending himself
*Ibn Qumta another scribe also said Muhammad is a liar Bukhari 4:56:814
PROOF BY HIS OWN SCRIBES, MUHAMMAD A LIAR.
sorpotal 3 days ago
@sorpotal
The Quran alone is Allah's consistent word, the Quran alone is Muhammad's consistent recitation.
Your hadith sources did not exist until centuries later, and cannot even agree with themselves. I agree with BroBijak and Reasonlight however: Islam is not about ego, pride or converting non-Muslims. The Quran is enough for those who wish to be taught.
Peace.
2angeline 2 days ago
Even if tells about Muhammad, Bible is not word of God. Allah's witness about Muhammad is enough. Allah says he was his messenger and servant through him Quran, his message, was delivered to humanity.
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reasonlight 3 days ago
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@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
Owned like a doggy shit. ROFL
JackSparrowDepp 3 days ago
Muhammad's Quran OR Allah's
Quran 16:63 By Allah [said Muhammad], We [his Allah & himself] did certainly send [messengers] to nations before you, but Satan tempted them.
HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE WHEN
Q 16:93 says: He causes to stray whom He wills and guides whom He wills.
[Notice the HE?! Who is writing the Quran?]
Confused Muhammad speaks three ways – FOR HIMSELF, ALLAH & FOR SATAN.
How can Satan tempt humans when Q 16:93 says Allah himself leads people in the wrong direction?
Allah MUST be Satan.
sorpotal 3 days ago
@sorpotal @sorpotal God created every thing including causes and respective effects. If I put my finger in it is charred. Allah did this charring. He has given guidance or right path. Whosoever ignores it, does so at his own risk.
reasonlight 3 days ago
@sorpotal
The Quran is Allah's narration and Allah has protected it from corruption, He refers to Himself from every perspective so that we may know Him.
The appropriate pronoun (I/He/We) is used throughout to prevent mankind from setting up Muhammad (or any other) as Lord beside Allah. Control of the heavens and earth belongs to Allah alone.
2angeline 3 days ago
@2angeline Allah is not the God of the bible, the Quran opposes the Bible, the Quran denies the death and resurrection which is so dominant in the Bible.
kidsarocker 1 day ago
@kidsarocker
Everything we need to know about Muhammad is in the Quran. Muslims are commanded to believe in all the prophets *without* making any distinction, and we devote ourselves to the One God alone.
Muhammad preached, followed, and left us with, the Quran alone: lying, stealing, aggression and rape are totally prohibited.
2angeline 1 day ago
@kidsarocker
"Say [Prophet] I am only a human being like yourselves. It is revealed to me that your God is One God. So let him who hopes to meet his Lord do good deeds and let him associate no one else in the worship of his Lord." (Quran 18:110)
The messenger of the Quran harmed no one. He preached the faith of Abraham (pure monotheism), in order to bring people out of the darkness of idolatry/misguided cultural beliefs.
Peace.
2angeline 1 day ago
Allah’s hatred of Jews, non-Muslims:
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam [Koran 5:33]
5.82 Indeed you will surely find that the most vehement of men in enmity to those who believe are the Jews and the polytheists.
5.60 God has cursed the Jews, transforming them into apes and swine and those who serve the devil.
9.29 Fight against such of those have been given the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, as believe not in Allah nor the last Day.
sorpotal 3 days ago
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Abraham lived 21 Cent B.C.- Kaaba built 5 A.D.
How can the Quran be trusted?
7th Cent. ARABS WERE IGNORANT
21st Cent. MUSLIMS ARE still IGNORANT
7th Cent people had no concept of earth locations
DO YOU now KNOW where Mecca is and WHERE Hebron is?
Abraham buried in Cave of Machpelah (HE buried Sarah there first)
How many days on Camel back to Hebron cave from Mecca?
Why not bury him in Mecca, holiest place for Abraham?
If Abraham built the Ka'aba? WHY WAS MUHAMMAD FACING JERUSALEM? (Q 2:142-145)
miladmeah 3 days ago
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@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
Owned like a doggy shit. ROFL
JackSparrowDepp 3 days ago
Truth: He is a pedophile, a terrible dirty and disgusting guy and a fake maker of miracles. How can Muslims worship him? He is a FRAUD!
Stop converting people you pigs!
mrtheshatteredsun 3 days ago
@mrtheshatteredsun
"Say[Prophet]: ‘I have devoted myself to God alone and so have my followers.’
Ask those who were given the Scripture, as well as those without one: ‘Do you too devote yourselves to Him alone?’ If they do, they will be guided, but if they turn away, your only duty is to convey the message. God is aware of His servants." (Quran 3:20)
2angeline 3 days ago
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JackSparrowDepp 3 days ago
And if you really want a modern look at heaven and Jesus, read the book Heaven Is For Real. No mention of Muhammed.
rkcannon 4 days ago
@rkcannon I don't think that with your intelligence and education level one can find the truth in any religion in the world.
JackSparrowDepp 4 days ago
To continue, the words and deeds need to be considered, not just one word in the Bible. There are many prophecies about Jesus. Jesus' miracles are very convincing and were described by the four authors of the Bible. I personally do not see in the Kuran anything close to the Bible. And Jesus does not say that I cannot investigate the Kuran. The truth speaks and is freedom.
rkcannon 4 days ago
One word in the old testament is supposed to justify all Islam and Muhammed? I don't think this would hold up in a court of law. The great pyramid of Giza has passages and symbolism with a timeline that depicts the birth and life of Jesus, and the timeline continues on to today and soon ends in the Kings Chamber. It goes right past the time of Muhammed with no marking whatsoever. This sign is also mentioned in the old testament. Muhammed could be a false prophet mentioned by Jesus.
rkcannon 4 days ago
Kahlik Gibran:
Where can I find a man governed by reason instead of habits and urges?
CERTAINLY NOT IN A MUSLIM FOR They are creatures of habit and urges brain-washed by their Imamas to fear hell
Kahlil Gibran:
The fear of hell is hell itself
People speak of plague with fear and tremor, yet of destroyers like Muhammad, and Alexander, (Quran 18:86) they speak with ecstatic reverence.
And if you know God.You shall see Him smiling in flowers, rising and waving His hands in trees. NOT KILLING PEOPLE
miladmeah 5 days ago
IF YOU WANT TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN- you have to accept that God was born through the vagina of a woman, was breast fed, potty trained, and then as adult was tortured, humiliated and them murdered so that some folks can PARTY IN HEAVEN ! and then blame jews for it even though in the Christians mind its a twisted perverse Favor!
arcz10 5 days ago
The difference between a true spiritual teacher and a conman is in their consistency. There are several teachings of Muhammad that can be compared to those of Jesus, BECAUSE HE HAD A CHRISTIAN MONK [Bahira] HELPING HIM, but the teachings of Jesus are consistent while those of Muhammad are not.
Even a criminal can give you good advises, this does not mean he is a good person. If words are not accompanied by deeds they are worthless.
Quran (9:23) says do not respect your non-Muslim Father & Mother
miladmeah 5 days ago
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@miladmeah IF YOU WANT TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN- you have to accept that God was born through the vagina of a woman, was breast fed, potty trained, and then as adult was tortured, humiliated and them murdered so that some folks can PARTY IN HEAVEN ! and then blame jews for it even though in the Christians mind its a twisted perverse Favor!
arcz10 5 days ago
@miladmeah
You are completely ignorant of the Quran, please stop making a fool of yourself and use your reason.
Peace.
2angeline 3 days ago
I found a link between Christianity and Islam. Prophet Isa (PBUH) loved children.
Michael Jackson (PBUH) loved children and also liked to touch children up. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) liked to touch children up. Peace and unity to us all!
Standuble 5 days ago
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them because they are apes and pigs. IF 'I' SAID THIS you would say I am mad or lock me up for good, Because Muhammad said this in Q 8:12 & 5:60 WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT AS GOD'S WORDS TO ALL MANKIND?
Muhammad undermined family relationships, and ordered his followers not to show kindness towards members of their families who did not become Muslims, Quran58:22
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miladmeah 5 days ago
Hi Jack;
Nothing of what you said is relevant to what we were saying.
Your "rebuttal" to 6:19 shows that you are joking. Consider yourself refuted.
Cheers.
MesMorial 5 days ago
@MesMorial Clown, there was nothing to rebut in any of your arguments. All your arguments were based on baseless assumptions. You cut some words from some verses, twist them and bring as an argument for your case. Ironically, even your misunderstanding of the Qur'an is the proof that there were many people at the Prophet's time who misunderstood Qur'an as well. So how come Muhammad didn't exlain it to them and yet was gaining more and more followers. You are a mechanical joke! Enough!
JackSparrowDepp 5 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp
You were beaten. Not sure why you would think you have a chance.
There is no solid history of hadith-collection, and none of verification. The Qur'an destroys the isnad system.
Cheers
MesMorial 5 days ago
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@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
Owned like a doggy shit. ROFLMAO
JackSparrowDepp 5 days ago
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@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of your arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
Owned like a doggy shit ROFLMAO
JackSparrowDepp 4 days ago
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@MesMorial Keep proving that u're a mechanical idiot because I never argued about existence or non-existence of the hadith. I debunked all of ur arguments using only Qur'an. Do u claim that Allah was sending only his books through his messengers? Yes, you do. 57:25 refutes you: Indeed, We sent Our messengers with evident truth, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance (of right and wrong), so that people might behave [with each other] with justice."
Owned like a doggy shit ROFLMAO
JackSparrowDepp 3 days ago
Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth (that Muhammad Peace be upon him is Allah's Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His Command. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things. sura 2:109 so to all the people who hate islam i forgive you WHY? because the quran tells us to
puppyjohn321 5 days ago
IF ITS NOT LOGICAL THEN IT CANT BE PLAUSIBLE DOES 1+1+1=1 NO! CHRISTIANS WAKE THE HELL UP THERES THINGS GOD CANT DO GOD CANT LIE GOD CANT SIN GOD CANT BEGET NOR WAS HE BEGOTTEN SURA 112:3 THERE CERTAIN THINGS GOD CANT DO WHY ? BECAUSE HES GOD..... GOD CANT BECOME HIS OWN CREATION HUMANS ANIMALS ETC BUT YOU TRINITY WHORES STILL INSIST THAT JESUS IS GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
puppyjohn321 5 days ago
@puppyjohn321 God can become his own creations, he appeared as a cloud, a burning bush etc it is the muslims who limit God. Mulsims misunderstand the Trinity - One is Echad (plural)
kidsarocker 1 day ago
LOOK IM A MUSLIM AND I HAVE TO SAY WHO EVER MADE THIS VIDEO IS STUPIT WHATS THE POINT NO MATTER WHAT YOU TELL OR SHOW CHRISTIANS OR JEWS THEY,LL NEVER BELIVE IN OUR MESSENGER MUHAMMAD PBUH THEY WOULDN,T NO GOD EVEN IF HE CAME DOWN AND SMACKED THEM IN THE FACE THEY WILL NOT BELIVE
puppyjohn321 6 days ago
@puppyjohn321 Jews and Christians will not accept muhammad becaused of the errors in the Quran - he confuses mary (Moses sister) with Mary, Josephs wife, Nimrod and Noah in the same time, no wonder he had to resort to killing those who didn't covert to a different gospel. Muhammad was from the Quarysh tribe who were pagans worshipping the moon god Allah
kidsarocker 1 day ago
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To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message" contradicting his own Quran. He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level, who congratulates Muhammad (pbuh) with christmas on her channel. They both think I'm a hadither. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. ROFLMAO :))))
JackSparrowDepp 6 days ago
Chapter 5:16 love song by Solomon - does not mention Muhammad.
The HEBREW word mahamaddim in this verse is not a proper name and it has nothing to do with Muhammad. It means “delights” or delightfulness.”
AliSina (apostate of Islam is in the Bible): Genesis 45:26 “Joseph is still ALIve!
Exodus 19:20 Mount SINAi
If Muhammad is mentioned once in the entire Bible, ALI -SINA is repeated 100s of times in both the New & the Old Testaments.
Islam is nothing but deception Quran 3:54
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miladmeah 1 week ago
@miladmeah DUM ASS I KNOW A RABBI AND I ASKED HIM IS MUHAMMADS NAME IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURE AND HE SAID YES AND I SAID THIS IS GOOD NEWS WE NEED TO WARN PEOPLE AND TELL CHRISTIANS ABOUT THIS AND HE SAID THAT WOULDN,T BE A GOOD IDEA I SAID WHY ? AND HE SAID SON SOME PEOPLE JUST WANNA BE LEAD ASTRAY
puppyjohn321 6 days ago
Of course that is just according to the Qur'an, which you are confined to.
Cheers.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Everyone saw how I wiped the toilet floor with you. You are indeed mechanical idiot who doesn't understand basics of Islam and hence Qur'an. No wonder you block people and delete their comments on your videos. Because they own you like shit! hahahahaha
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
Muhammad adhered to the Qur'an, but with a human fallibility.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Muhammad adhered to the Qur'an with human fallibility? LOL And what were his afllibilities if by some Western thinkers he's considered the greatest man in the history of humanity by succeeding in both religious and secular parts of his duty? Do you even understand how you contradict to logic and the Quran when you say that Muhammad didn't explain the Qur'an? How people would even trust and believe him if he didn't explain the message he brought? Dude, stop posing naked here. ROFLMAO
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
Muslims are also expected to study, convey and teach it to those who wish to learn (2:44, 2:121, 3:79, 6:105, 6:156, 7:169, 34:44, 47:24, 68:37).
Insincere readers (and people who do not want to understand it) are diverted from the meaning of the Qur’an (7:146, 17:45-46, 18:57, 22:52, 41:44).
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial I am not going to go through your copy-pasted comments which you start dropping on every Islamic video when you start losing. I have just 2 questions which will finish you off: 1) What is Islamic message and where did you get it?
2) Did Muhammad deviate from Qur'an?
Answer precisely. Your mechanics won't help you.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
The message is point about the Last Day and what you have to do to be good. It is the warning (6:19, 6:51, 7:2, 19:97, 20:113, 42:7). It is the thing that is good enough to believe in by reading, which does not create contradictions (like with Qur'an + sunna).
2) Muhammad only followed what was revealed (2:170, 6:50, 6:106, 7:3, 7:203, 10:15, 10:109, 33:2, 46:9), which was the Qur'an (2:23). Anyone who says otherwise will go to Hell (2:24).
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial I just looked at 6:19 because in statistics and econometrics one sample is enough to get the idea of the whole population. Nowhere in 6:19 it says "this is the message of the Islam, believe in it and you'll be saved". Sorry, clown, you cannot debate using assumptions and expect to win. Now, the true answer: everything written in the Qur'an is the MESSAGE including the satan. Can there be a Muslim with a faith in Allah and the Judgement day but not in satan? Of course not. Owned!!!!
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
The Arabic Qur’an was revealed to the Messenger so that he could use it to warn people (6:19, 6:51, 7:2, 19:97, 20:113, 42:7). Therefore only the Qur’an contains religious obligations.
He was not sent to explain it. He only delivered it (5:99) and taught it, just as God taught it (55:1-2). It was God’s duty to explain the guidance, not Muhammad’s (16:9, 92:12).
MesMorial 1 week ago
“Hadith” is the precise label that modern “Muslims” give to what they follow besides the Qur’an.
The Qur’an also says:
6:19 What thing is the weightiest in testimony?
39:23 God has revealed the best hadith…
The Messenger was only a warner (35:23, 38:70), warning of the consequences of certain behaviour compared to other behaviour.
MesMorial 1 week ago
If it is a distinct explanation of all things, believers need nothing else.
2:159 Surely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men…
Religious guidance is in the Qur’an, and it is clear for all (also see 47:24-26).
From such verses we see nothing else is required. The Qur’an forbids it:
45:6 These are the verses of God which We recite to you with truth; then in what hadith would they believe after God and His verses?
MesMorial 1 week ago
Non-Muslims must understand that the “Islam” of today is not Islam. “Muslims” of today practice teachings besides the Qur’an, and thus disobey it.
Anyone who claims to be Muslim, yet follows something besides the Qur’an, cannot be Muslim.
What does the Qur’an say on this subject? It says:
12:111 It (the Qur’an) is…a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy to a people who believe.
MesMorial 1 week ago
Oh yes, remember it was the TRUTH (book) that was confirming them, not muhammad.
MesMorial 1 week ago
It is profound that even though in your heart and in your true self you know I talk truth and sense, you still think ad hominems will make it go away.
You have my thoughts :)
MesMorial 1 week ago
49:15 does not say what you say it says. In order to make it fit your dogma, you have to differentiate the messengers from Allah (4:150). 4:150 also happens to show that Muhammad does not need to be mentioned, which is consistent with the redundancy of your shahada (63:1)
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial 63:1 was debunked, stop parroting it. Muhammad is the last prophet who confirmed all previous prophets: 37:37 " Nay! he has come with the (very) Truth, and he confirms (the Message of) the apostles (before him)."
Therefore instead of uttering all names of previous prophets it's sufficient just to say "Muhammad is Allah's messenger".
You should take some logic courses but before you need a brain transplantation, mechanical idiot. LOL
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
No 63:1 was never addressed since you are ignoring the fact that the phrase itself was condemned (as shahada). 37:37 does not negate the fact that ALL messengers must be believed in. Muhammad is not the representative of other prophets. Rather, the message is. I will document these few basic points which confirm the Sunni shahada is inadequate.
That is all that really matters. It is why I debate.
Cheers.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Here's 63:1 When the Hypocrites come to thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou art indeed the Messenger of Allah." Yea, Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His Messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the Hypocrites are indeed liars.
Nowhere in the verse it says that Muslims mustn't say that Muhammad is the messenger. Try to understand the concept. There could even be "We bear witness that there's no God but Allah" with the same meaning & hypocrites would still be hypocrites.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
And Allah knows that you are most surely His Messenger.
Allah already knows that. What he wants to know is if you submit. The only reason you may have said the sunni shahada was because you already believed in the Qur'an, which is the actual thing that matters (and is what should be expressed in the shahada).
MesMorial 1 week ago
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@MesMorial I am not going to go through your copy-pasted comments which you start dropping on every Islamic video when you start losing. I have just 2 questions which will finish you off: 1) What is Islamic message and where did you get it?
2) Did Muhammad deviate from Qur'an?
Answer precisely. Your mechanics won't help you.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@MesMorial "Allah already knows that. What he wants to know is if you submit. The only reason you may have said the sunni shahada was because you already believed in the Qur'an, which is the actual thing that matters (and is what should be expressed in the shahada)."
LOL and our clown went back to what I said at the beginning because I debunked him! Dude, you are sheer embarassment. Please stop posing naked in public. We don't have problems with Muhammad, you do. You're not even a muslim! LOL
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
You are helping me to expose the sickness in the hearts of folks like you. Thank you.
MesMorial 1 week ago
Thus Muhammad is the messenger who brings the light, and without the messenger there is no Book.
What is the Book?
“...a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a MERCY to a people who believe.” (12:111)
Thus Muhammad is a mercy just like the other prophets, and should not be considered more than a messenger who delivered and followed the Qur’an.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial LOL you are teaching me all this stuff as if I don't know? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Clown, you have sickness in your heart and you don't even know. How do you think why ALLAH allowed so many false hadithes to be written about his messenger? Because his messenger is the path to Allah and Allah puts obstacles in that path for people who want to find excuses to reject Islam. Muhammad was not just a messenger, but a role model. He was created like that and he is a part of the message!
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
I should invite people to this page to see how a Sunni sees fit to lie and twist and distort and insult.
In fact it is worth it just to show how you commit shirk and include Muhammad as part of the message which Muhammad delivered.
i will save it.
Cheers.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial LOL apparently your tiny brain has a huge imagination which fills the intelligence gap. You saved what? What did I twist? Are you telling me that Muhammad did all those atrocities which some hadiths tell he did? Say yes and you will be finished according to the Qur'an. I mean, seriously, I cannot believe that I am debating basic things with you. You don't even have an a fundamental knowledge of Islam, yet you come and debate such serious issues. Ur clownish acts are beyond any limits.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
You said that Muhammad was a part of the message, which completely blows your credibility.
Sunnism is dead, and you shoudl jump ship. Or should I add a "t" instead of the "p", since that is what you talk.
What is it like to continously fail (just like you did)?
MesMorial 1 week ago
The Sunnis has no chance, and they falsely think that they are the good guys. They protect each other's identity.
49:15 is no different to 4:150, where one must believe in the messengers as well as Allah. This is done by belieiving in the revelation. Ironically, you make a distinction between Allah and the message, whereas I am actually explaining to you they are represented in the message.
MesMorial 1 week ago
There is no god except Allah, and Muhammad is his mesengger.
nskamaruddin 1 week ago
@nskamaruddin
“There is no god but Allah, I believe in what He has revealed and I submit to the Lord of the Worlds.”
This is concluded from a cursory study of 2:131, 3:18, 3:20, 3:52-53, 10:90, 39:54 and 40:66.
2:285 and 9:74 indicate that Muslims should make intention to obey Allah.
Sunni/Shia sects imitate the hypocrites of 63:1, asserting what Allah already knows and what is unrelated to submission.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@nskamaruddin Dont you mean there is no god but god?
kidsarocker 1 day ago
*sunnis shahada is redunant to God
MesMorial 1 week ago
P.S. In fact, when one prays, one would always express belief in Allah and the implications of the message. The point there is belief in Allah and his message, not Muhammad. Muhammad was a messenger, but that is not the point.
So in prayer one must explicitly or implicity express belief in Allah and His Revelation. believing that Muhammad is the messenger is only a result of that, and is most certainly redundant to God (63:1).
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Again, 63:1 is inside the verse 63 which is about HYPOCRITES, read the whole concept you fucking idiot. Maybe it's because of your hypocrisy that you are stuck in the verse about hypocrites? LOL Allah is great for sure!
Allah's revelation certainly includes Muhammad. Why Allah says that He sent Muhammad as a mercy for humanity? Why would he says that if Muhammad was just a means of delivering the message? I think you need a brain transplantation, even a monkey's brain would do. LOL
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
Jack, you should read the whole verse of 63:1.
Why is he a mercy? Because he is the torch that provides light:
"And as one inviting to Allah by His permission, and as a light-giving torch." (33:46)
What is the light?
“And thus did We reveal to you an inspired book by Our command. You did not know what the Book was, nor (what) the faith (was), but We made it a light, guiding thereby whom We please of Our servants...” (42:52)
MesMorial 1 week ago
JackSparrowDepp, in your owns words, your **** has been handed to you.
Cheers.
MesMorial 1 week ago
The sunni shahada cannot be obligatory, and if uttered AS shahada, must be accompanied by belief in the revelation which says he is the messenger, and the revelation which says it is from Allah.
Thus you get the true, pure shahada I presented.
JackSparrowDepp, despite his constant insults and cowardly anonymity, has been debunked.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial LOL now you started talking about belief? But wasn't it you who who said that we are not debating intention, faith or belief but mere statements? Now after I handed your ass to you you back-peddle? Hahahahaha. Clown, as I said before, as long as a person believes in his heart shahadah as an utterance is IRRELEVANT! Go hit your head to the wall but try to understand my point. But if u talk about statement as utterance then Sunni shahadah is perfectly justified by the Qur'an. Debunked!
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
if it is irrelevant, why is salptl not mechanical? I have showed that the shahada (which you defend) is incorrect and inadequate.
Thus the only shahada worth expressing is the one I have provided. It is not about utterance, but sincerity. However, when one wants to be recognised as muslim, that is the shahada they should take so that other people see they are muslim.
When one submits, they should do so in prayer with not too soft voice (17:110).
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial No, fucking mechanical clown, you never showed that shahadah is irrelevenat. On the contrary, I showed you by 49:15 that shahadah is relevant. All your arguments are based on false assumptions, they are like a sand house, destroyable by a single short sentence. You just keep repeating the same refuted arguments. If you did this in a public debate you would kicked out of the building for your clownish acts. 17:110 is about a prayer, not shahadah LOOOOOOOOOOOOL zuahahahahahahahahahahaha
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
You were saying before that shahada is irrelevant. Now you have changed your words (although here i was not actually saying the shahada is relevant, but that the Sunni shahada is inadequate). It appears you are illiterate.
17:110 was discussed below, in that all prayer is an expression of belief in Allah and the implications of the message. It is redundant to God (63:1), thus I recommend the pure shahada when submitting to Him the first time.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Clown, I won't repeat zillion times the same things just because your brain doesn't get it. I have proved with 49:15 that Sunni shahadah is justified. But as long as someone has (or has not) faith in Islam in his heart any sort of shahadah is irrelevant for Allah.
17:110 only shows a part of a prayer, nothing more. Allah himself says that not all parts of Qur'an are understandable for everyone, so who are you? Besides, Allah didn't send only his books with prophets. Debunked!
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
jack, I have explained 49:15 more than adequately, and destroyed your point.
17:110 shows that all prayer is aloud, thus one explicity or implicitly expresses belief in Allah and the message. The first time one submits and turns to Him, the correct shahada should be uttered.
Not even Muhammad knew the allegorical parts. Who are you to tell me anything?
In fact I can debunk Sunnism very well.
Cheers.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Mechanical idiot, I never said that I had a prooblem with any shahadah. It is you who said that you have a problem with Sunni shahadah. Sunni shahadah is derived from Quranic verses like 49:15. If you derive your own shahadah like that then it's OK but you have no right to say that your shahadah is the right one and the sunni is the wrong one because there's no verse which has explicit precise shahadah. So basically you lost this debate. Now run to your mom.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
before you were saying that if one left Muhammad out, it meant you had a problem. So it seems like you lost the debate since you changed it.
Actually 63:1 says your shahada is redundant, and I have explained why it is inadequate.
Is the Sunni shahada necessary to be Muslim in the eyes of other Sunnis?
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Again, u make me repeat the same things (what a rotten brain u have). I said that you must have problems with Muhammad if you suddenly drop his name from the shahadah and I was right because you clearly showed that you have. You lowered his status by saying that he's not part of the message (which you still didn't explain us what message). You degraded him to mere deliverer who had no understanding of the message, no role model, just like a robot who utters Quranic verses. U r exposed
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
that is a contradiction to what you said. How can you drop his name from the shahada? You can only stop upholding it as obligatory and thus committing shirk. Otherwise it is a shahada which means nothing. So one should drop that phrase.
He was only a warner (35:23). Nowhere does it say he had another purpose. If he did good in one instant, he set a good example (33:21). This does not magically add sunna.
Not sure how I am exposed, or why you KEEP SAYING it.
MesMorial 1 week ago
4) As shown in points 1) and 2), the sunni shahada is inadequate. Thus Sunnis, in upholding it as necessary to be seen as Muslim, support an un-Islamic practice and commit shirk.
Once again, when one says Muhammad is the messenger, it must be expanded with or as a result of believing the Qur'an and submitting. Saying that the phrase (48:29) is from God means that one should accept the rest of the Qur'an as from God.
MesMorial 1 week ago
3) JackSparrowDepp appears to be a fake non-Sunni, having referred to Salptl as "brother". However, he also says the shahada is irrelevant, meaning my reasoning should be acceptable. JackSparrowDepp cannot admit this, showing he is a Sunni telling lies. He previously said anyone who left Muhammad out of the shahada had a problem with Muhammad, which is not necessarily true rendering JackSparrowDepp mechanical. He cannot admit this.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial LOOOOL now you are trying to back-stab me? hahahahahahahah Did I lower your self-esteen, Mr. little uneducated hypocrite? I referred to Salptl as "brother" because he's a MUSLIM unlike you. Even if he was Shia I would refer to him as "bro". Apparently your tiny brain fails to comprehend many things here. I handed your ass to you, mechanical idiot. Sunni shahada is relevant as a statement and 49:15 justifies it. You failed miserably, mechanical idiot! Can I laugh at you? Please hahaha
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
Muslims follow the Qur'an only. Salptl is not a muslim.
You are not a muslim, thus you are not his brother.
Why aren't sunnis mechanical? I have asked 3 times and you have not answered.
49:15 says to believe in Allah and His Messenger. This does not mean beliving that the messenger exists. It means accepting he is a messenger (4:150). 4:150 destroys your contention. One believes in the messenger by beliving Allah when He sends the message.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Where in the Qur'an it says that Muslims follow the Qur'an only? Where in the Qur'an it says that the Messenger can deviate from the Qur'anic teaching? Clownish troll, 4:150 is relevant for u because it's u who tries to separate Muhammad from Allah, not we.
So are u telling me that ALLAH wrote all those verses with "believe in Allah and his messenger" just in vain? Clown, religion and prophets are timeless concepts. I'm literally laughing my ass out at u. U r the dumbest person ever.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
So you admit you are a lying sunni. Muslims follow only the Qur'an as religion (45:6). I have so many other proofs but that suffices here.
4:150 refers to people differentiating between prophets, like Sunnis do. They give muhammad a sunna, not realising the others had no sunna (5:42-43).
"Allah and His Messenger", as per 9:3, refers to the fact that one must obey the words of the messenger which is the word of God (81:19).
You have no case.
MesMorial 1 week ago
So a number of things to remember, and which JackSparrowDepp cannot answer:
1) The Qur'an confirms that the statement "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" is not enough (63:1). This does not need reasoning because the Qur'an says it.
2) The statement is not enough because one accepts the messenger by accepting the message. Thus to prove that one believed he was the messenger, one would have to express it as a result of the Qur'an's statement, meaning before or after doing so, accept Qur'an
MesMorial 1 week ago
Which is the same thing as saying that you believe the Qur'an when it says it is from God, and thus you believe that it is revealed from the one God. The Qur'an is key, because it is the tangible judgement.
Now if someone said to Muhammad that Muhammad was the messenger, it has to be based on what the Qur'an says, so same thing. Saying that Muhammad is the messenger is not enough - you should prove it by believing/following the Qur'an and submitting accordingly.
There is no argument.
MesMorial 1 week ago
I have explained that saying Muhammad is the messenger is pointless, and even the Qur'an agrees with me. God already knows that. When you accept the fact these days, it is because of the Qur'an. Muhammad is not here anymore, so one cannot say he is the messenger as if it means anything. One has faith that Muhammad existed because of the Qur'an, thus it runs into the problem of circularity. If you repeat the statement, you should say you have faith in that statement because the Qur'an says it.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial U keep parroting ur refuted arguments, clown. That doesn't help ur case. 63:1 is irrelevant as it doesn't have Sunni shahada and is about hypocrites. Again, you said "message". What is message? Where is it? The verse 49:15 debunks all your arguments but you keep repeating. Why Allah adds his messenger to the verse? My account was created by me in 2007 when you were still sucking your mom's breath. I'm owning your ass and the public sees that. Mechanical clown Quran is not a schoolbook
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
The statement makes up the sunni shahada, thus applies to it. Your argument is thus destroyed.
One believes in Allah and His Messenger as a result of believing in the book he was sent with. Why you ask what the message is only shows you are out of thoughts.
You have been debunked.
MesMorial 1 week ago
You seem to be someone who talked to me before. Perhaps I annoyed you or lowered your self-estemm, and you created a kamikaze account (which no-one can access) to try to win a debate.
How many times have you tried? I have lost count.
MesMorial 1 week ago
Do you assume that if you insult me and expose your dumbness enough, I will start to feel bad? It seems like you have nothing else in your life.
MesMorial 1 week ago
P.S. I gave you the shahada, not salptl.
MesMorial 1 week ago
9:1-3 says that an ultimatum is issued by “Allah and His Messenger”.
This ultimatum is entirely from Allah since He does not consult the Messenger in His decisions (18:26, 21:27).
The relationship between Author and Deliverer renders “Allah and His Messenger” “one” functioning “entity”.
63:1 has everything to do with the sunni shahada, because the sunnis uphold the shahada. The shahada is to express belief and submission. I have explained why your argument is legless.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial If the shahadah is to express belief and submission then using your own MECHANICS 63:1 doesn't have "belief in Allah" and the whole verse 63 is about hypocrites. LOL owned! Who says that Allah consult anything with his messenger? That's irrelevant! This is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. U still don't get the point Allah makes: if He separates belief in Him and his messenger then that means some people might not believe in his messenger. Get it already, clown. Ok?
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
“There is no god but Allah, I believe in what He has revealed and I submit to the Lord of the Worlds.”
This is concluded from a cursory study of 2:131, 3:18, 3:20, 3:52-53, 10:90, 39:54 and 40:66.
2:285 and 9:74 indicate that Muslims should make intention to obey Allah.
MesMorial 1 week ago
"Allah and His Messenger" refers to the single "entity" resulting from the relationship of Author and deliverer. If you do not yet know this, you should read the Qur'an again and clear your head.
Now, as a non-obligatory shahada, the sunni statement is redundant and circular as I said. Now if you walk up to Muhammad and say he is the messenger, this is likewise un-Islamic because it has to be based on the Qur'an. If they say it due to what he recites, they will follow it with shahada I gave
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial LOL I am asking you questions NOT because I don't know answers but because you don't know answers and I know that you don't know. How Allah and his messenger are single entity? This is now a shirk and not sunni shahadah. So if they are a single entity then it's OK when they are written together in the Qur'an but when someone utters them in his shahadah then it's wrong? Repeating Qur'an is wrong? Comedy gold! Seriously, you cannot make this up ROFLMAO :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
The is because the message is "Allah through his Messenger", otherwise expressed as "Allah and His Messenger".
People obey Allah by obeying the message and way of life which the messenger brings.
Why do you behave like that?
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial I am insulting your stupidity and hypocrisy and I have a right to do so. You keep saying the MESSAGE but you never told us what it is. And where is shahadah "Allah through his Messenger" in the Qur'an? Give me precise and explicit verses instead of assumptions.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
Since you did not get what I said, let me ask you the questions.
Why are Sunnis not mechanical?
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial So u will continue to play ur game like this: Your opponent ownes you and you just say "you didn not get me". LOL. You said that Allah and his messenger is single entity. That means that they complete each other like partners and that's a SHIRK. Sunni shahadah clearly says Muhammad is Allah's messenger. Allah uses the same verb "BELIEVE" for both Himself and Muhammad in the same verse and says that only those who believe in both are true muslims. This totally debunks you. You're owned
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
No i said the relationship makes them "one". The relationship is the message. You did not get me, and I am quite sure of what I say.
All messengers are to be believed in (4:150), so Muhammad is not special. When you believe the message, you believe in the messenger. The sunni shahada is redundant (63:1).
If shahada is irrelevant, why are Sunnis not mechanical?
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial You're quite sure of your hypocrisy. Here's the verse which debunks you and totally justifies Sunni shahada: 49:15 "The believers are only the ones who have believed in Allah and His Messenger and then doubt not but strive with their properties and their lives in the cause of Allah. It is those who are the truthful."
Why Allah says that believers are only those who believe in him and his messenger, not only him? Because there's possibility to ignore his messenger. You are refuted.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
No, when you believe in the message you believe in Allah and His messenger. Perhaps you did not read. The sunni shahada is redundant (63:1), and I explained it practically.
The sunni shahada is not necessary, because if it is not necessary to mention other prophets, it is not necessary to mention Muhammad. Rather, you would have faith in the message. you accept the messenger because of message.
Why aren't Sunnis mechanical. Please answer.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial You must be really the DUMBEST person who has ever walked on earth to say that Sunni shahadah ignores other prophets beside Muhammad. As I said before, statement is not important without faith. You wanted to debate only about statement. Here we do. Instead of uttering the names of all prophets isn't it logical just to utter the name of the last prophet who confirmed all previous ones? Besides, your message is brought by him. With your IQ level you should only go to the toilet. ROFLMAO
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
Hmm you see, if a person reads the Qur'an today and believes it, there is no point in saying "Muhammad is the Messenger", because the only relevant point is that you believe the message. Hence the shahada I provided. The sunni shahada does not demonstrate anything, and whilst it may not be a statement of shirk, it is shirk if you uphold it as obligatory (like Sunnis do).
Perhaps you should stop trying to redeem yourself.
MesMorial 1 week ago
Why use an electronic voice? That's not a human voice narrating. If you listen, every time it says a particular word (such as "Hebrew", "Mohammad", or "Prophet") it sounds IDENTICAL every time.
dedawen 1 week ago
No me explico como aún puede haber gente que crea en divinidades, o en profetas pedófilos y misóginos como el perro mahoma.
LCLint 1 week ago
Of course "uttering" is not sufficient, so replace it with "expressing it sincerely to other people".
Cheers.
MesMorial 1 week ago
Actually you are right.
Sunnism is idolworship and full of contradictory dirt, but I can't refute it because it is what you follow. Since you will not accept the objective morality of scripture, or the criterion of religion, you are right.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Oh our clown is back. Objective morality of scripture? We are yet to see your knowledge of the scripture, moron. You still didn't bring your version of Shahadah from the Qur'an. Besides, you said that one cannot become a muslim without belief in Allah's prophets and then said that Muhammad is not part of the message. Contradiction! Do you even realize how dumb you are? LOL
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
Muhammad is not a part of the message. He was a messenger who brought the message, thus uttering the shahada according to the Quran will verify one's belief that he delivered the message. This is confirmed by 2:285.
As for the rest, you are mistaken.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial You keep dancing around the topic without answering my questions. Your shahada is "Allah is the only God". Where does in the Qur'an it says that one has to utter those words in order to become a muslim? 2:285 doesn't answer my question, no Muslim denies any of Allah's prophets. By believing in Muhammad muslims confirm all other prophets whom Muhammad confirmed. How Muhammad is not part of the message if 2:285 denies you? "You're mistaken" - you sound like a little spoilt idiot ROFLMAO
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
Nowhere did I say that shahada. Please understand what I am saying before trying to talk.
63:1 says the sunni shahada is redundant.
Cheers.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial u continue to dance, clown. 63:1 has NOTHING to do with the Sunni shahadah. The verse is about hypocrites. You cannot come up with assumptions to defend your case, shallow man. So what's your shahadah? There's a point in saying "Muhammad is the messenger" because there might be people who believe in Allah but not his messenger, ex: Christian Arabs also call God Allah. Besides, why Allah asks to believe in him AND his messenger if believing in Allah is sufficient? I'm owning you. ROFL
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
63:1 says the shahada is redundant, regardless of whether you think it has anything to do with anything.
If you do not know the shahada I offered, you must not have read anything I wrote.
These days the only reason they would say "Muhammad is the messenger" is because the Qur'an says so, so as an obligatory shahada it is firstly shirk and secondly illogical and circular.
Not sure what Arabs have to do with this? Allah's word is enough
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial U r trying to play a game but I won't allow u. The name of the verse 63 is "Hypocrites" hence it's about them, and 63:1 doesn't even have the Sunni shahadah. U keep proving that u r a mechanical idiot who cuts verses out of context and uses them to justify his assumptions. U haven't provided ur shahadah in our debate, go back & look. The message of Allah is everything written in the Qur'an, hence his messenger too. U didn't answer why Allah asks to believe in him AND his messenger.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
@JackSparrowDepp
You are playing your own game. I find you boring.
At the very start I gave the shahada and verses. I have already explained why the shahada is redundant, as 63:1 says.
Cheers.
MesMorial 1 week ago
@MesMorial Clown, you are confusing me with saptl. You never gave me any shahadah and there's no any shahadah in the whole Qur'an. 63:1 doesn't have to do anything with the Sunni shahadah, your parroting doesn't save your ass here. You keep saying "the message" but what is it? Why Allah says that true Muslims are only those who believe in him AND his messenger? Can you answer that? You find me boring because I'm wiping the floor with you. You're like a 10-year old boy who argues with an adult.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
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JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
Anyone that buys into this, or any other, organized religion is lacking a first world education. There is no reason to believe in god.
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JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago