1.2 Freedom, ownership and relational legislation n'stuff Re:Gratex (can't remember the title)

[Bistol1]

USA is generous to whoever is inside its territory. And if you want to be really concious about the environement they shoot yourself and do it quick... because its not going to get any better.

[JetpackNinjaDinosaur]

Does ANYONE really care what you think? Seriously.

[prelan]

your cat makes a conscience decision to get stoned? lol

[CitizenWorm]

I'm not really free to work or not work though. If I don't work I will die or live or horrible life etc. I have no choice but to go earn "money" so that I can buy food or maybe land to produce food. The economy and world trade is such though that I have no choice but to play the capitalist game at least at the outset for a substantial amount of time.

[ThePointlessPoint]

A cute capitalist slave...who almost knows.

All in good time ;-)

[DarthMerlin]

If you don't mind me asking, and without getting too specific, what kinds of jobs were you not able to take without compromising your principles, and what were those principles?

[CitizenWorm]

I couldn't work at a gas station for example, or in any part of a corporation that was not environmentally responsible and humane, the standards for which go far beyond what the EPA, USDA and FDA say for sure.

Even jobs I have taken have been questionable like delivering pricey thai food when I could be working at a soup kitchen or spending time with shut-ins.

[DarthMerlin]

When you said that much of our legal system is informed by Christianity, what were you refering to, aside from the obvious "don't kill" and "don't steal"?

[CitizenWorm]

Not much specifically. Even if the obvious stuff isn't exclusively christian it would have been the main context in which these folks would have had to have processed it.

[DarthMerlin]

You're not putting your cat in one of those gigantic bongs, are you? ;)

[legalass17]

Watch out for the hairballs!

I am the Walrus...ku ku ka jooooooo.

[hozehd]

I cured my fear of capitalism by working for the government.

[CitizenWorm]

lol

[hellsunicorn]

The primary problem I'm finding with this theory is that it seems to equivocate complex lifeforms with low level molecules. What is it specifically that binds us to the same standard of existence as the atoms inside us bouncing off of each other?

[hozehd]

because to say that we have atoms inside us bouncing off of each other is an understatement. We are made entirely of a flow of bouncing atoms and held together by some energy field. Two blood cells could argue all day long about whether they were just delivery drivers or whether they lived within a larger organism but they too are just a flow of bouncing atoms held together by energy, floating in a larget energy field called a animal sitting on a larger energy field called a planet and so on.

[hellsunicorn]

Can you describe how these 2 blood cells come to a rational conclusion as to who does it? Can you describe the level of rationality upon which these cells form arguments with each other?

Applying morality based on the seemingly random interactions of parts within a greater whole sounds a bit odd, that's what I'm driving at. And if we are parts of some sort of greater whole, on what evidence to we base the existence of such a whole/collective being?

[hozehd]

I not arguing for the conciousness of blood cells as much as im pointing out that the huge difference in scale creates a distortion of perception or reality. If we are part of a bigger whole we probably wont be able to proove it untill we correct our perception. How deep have we dug into this earth thing? not very far. One way I like to see the earth as life form is to watch those videos of doppler weather radar for the whole world over the span of a year. Them shits is crazy.

[hellsunicorn]

Even if we assume that the Earth is sentient, why would it simply stop there and not encompass the entire universe, paving towards the concept of a pantheistic God-head?

Metaphysical speculation is an interesting area of pursuit and study, but I think basing our behaviors and our laws around it is pretty similar to reverting back to a theocracy.

[hozehd]

Well perhaps this line of thinking is what makes me a libritarian of sorts. This line of thinking doesn't seem to present the need for lots of rules and regulation. Rules and regulations should be as streamlined and effective as possible with an emphasis on personal liberty to the persuit of happiness.

[hellsunicorn]

Then you wouldn't argue that this line of thinking, in terms of egalitarianism per say, would necessitate interventions in order to maintain?

I mostly go in the libertarian direction myself, but I've always been a bit skeptical about the idea of altering metaphysical perception in order to obtain non-sensory truths and then relating it to politics. I do believe in a version of transcendental idealism so I don't necessarily dwell upon the material realm as the only potential existence.

[hozehd]

all intervention does is addict us to more intervention. why would we have to do anything to maintain it. It maintains its self. We could benefit from understanding that we depend on it as a biosphere and not be a cancer on it, but that doesn't require anything more than a healthy respect for personal property rights which brings us right back full circle.

[hellsunicorn]

No real disagreement regarding intervention, most often when I debate metaphysics, there is usually a governmental additive to a collective view of existence. I tend to draw myself slightly more from an individualist standpoint. Nonetheless, the whole Gaia outlook has a fair amount of intrigue. It's usually involved in the plot lines of my favorite video games and fantasy novels.

[Brandt761]

Excuse me coming at a "prodigal YouTuber" with so much criticism from the get-go...but how are you a slave. There's a very big difference between even the poorest poor and slaves. The poor are, in theory, free. They can do with their lives what they want, even if they have few viable options...slaves, are not even free in theory, they are totally controlled by their evil masters.

You'd have to come up with a new word.

BTw, I'm studying economics these days...

[CitizenWorm]

This is the point though, I have choice up to a certain place and then I have nothing but the muscles I can use to do the bidding of a lord and hope they compensate me enough that I make it from day to day.

(and this isn't coming at me so don't worry about it...this is just conversation. also lol @ "prodigal")

[Brandt761]

or you could grow your own food. The question is, is there some other way of living. I think it's pretty much the same whether you are a nomadic tribesperson who has to hunt and gather food or whether you work in a factory for minimum wage. Some say you're freer in the former, but you aren't. You are just subject to a less, umm, personal lord....(hey, did I just stumble on the origin of the phrase "to be subject to"?)

[Brandt761]

We are individuals...the things we eat we assimilate. They themselves have no permanent structure above that of atoms, so they become us, not the other way around...

[CitizenWorm]

But we don't have a permanent structure either.

[Brandt761]

Relatively speaking, we do form a cohesive whole.

[Brandt761]

"And some of them are gonna get pissed out..." that should go into the book of quotes. It totally doesn't need context, either.

lolzers

[CitizenWorm]

Given that this is yt and the mashup is the original form of content here I'm sure it will be cut out at some point by somebody even if it's after I'm dead. That's just the way it is. They'll get around to repackaging EVERYTHING eventually.

[gratex]

I've never seen or been to blogtv, and I'm always in bed when you make the shows. They are recorded?

[Dadalama]

That's why I'm not necessarily a market anarchist. Because if I was too add ideology to the idea of "no archons" than I would be forced to respect each others property rights. And while I would respect most peoples there are some places I'd draw the line.

Someone said I'm just an "odd one" amongst individualist anarchists before. For me, property rights are 4/5ths the region and 1/5th me. If the world around me was mutualist than I would be mutualist. Same with the basic market anarchy model ect

[CitizenWorm]

Yeah this is the crux of what keeps me from being an anarchist I think.

[elitemathlete]

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