Why do they say "life liberty & the pursuit of happiness", "Liberty & justice for all", then have laws telling us who we can & cannot marry. There should be absolutely no exceptions. I hte the fact that I was born in the U.S. & am still treated like a second class citezen because I am gay. Like I sai, there should be absolutely no exceptions.
the court ruled to allow gay marriages because the court has to protect the minorities RIGHTS from the majority rule.
in plessy vs. ferguson, the courts ruled separate but equal. blacks sit in the back, gays cant call their union a marriage, its all documentation.
when gays go to the county to get their civil unions, its not recognized by other states, and all they consider it is a legal agreement. how about this, you have have the legal agreement, but give us marriage!
MichelleMcCaffreyAnn, "clean up our act and behave?" Like when Fred Phelps and his Baptist church holds up "God Hates Fags" signs, pickets Matthew Shepherd's funeral and blames gay people for 9/11, Hurrican Katrina, and the Iraq war? Pleeeeeaaaaaaasssssee. Or what about yes on 8 supporters sending letters to 8 gay bars in Seattle threatening to poison people with ricin? Try looking at some of the comments from your "friends" and tell me that we need to clean up our act.
crazywabt, the difference between you and us is that when the people of california vote on this again, and our marriage rights are given back to us, we aren't going to tell you to go to Canada. Oh, wait, Canada already believes in equality. I guess you anti-marriage folks will have to go to Alabama or some other state that's still afraid of two men or two women being happy.
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This is OLD news.....you don't even hear about this any more..... Gays went back to sniveling and whining and crying ( boo fcking hoo)....marriage is between a man and a woman....adam and eve.....not adam and steve....
Don't like it....too bad the people have spoken,voted on it, and now the vote passed.....off to Canada you go....
Adam and Eve weren't real. This law will be overturned don't like it . too bad of to Iran you go. I think you'll like it there because there are allot of religious fundamentalists there except they worship a different invisible man than you however I'm sure you'll find yourself right at home when you see them beheading gay couples in the town square.
LMAO!!! The people have spoken!!! Gays find somewhere else to get married and infect the populace of your detestable actions.....it's about time the people finally woke up to the immorality happening in thier backyards and neighborhoods.....NOW...deal with it....
It's remarks similar to those that started the holocaust and the civil war. Imagine it vice versa. Gays told YOU to go to Canada to get married and denied YOUR marrage rights.
HYPOCRATES, devoted to your opinions and prejudices; ones who regards or treats the members of groups (as a racial or ethnic groups) with hatred and intolerance
If this attempt at overturning the voter's decision on this issue happens, you better hope these very same voters do no lash-out back at you for your actions. This lawsuit could potentially have serious problems for everyone if it goes down.
How convenient. Have anyone not learned from LA the riots and Katrina? Yes, anger can be suppressed but not after a serious amount destruction occurs which will cost this country several million dollars. Again, it's only a matter of time -- this could be a potential problem for everyone.
This is going to be on-going. It's done with people, the state has voted. Those who've voted Yes come from all walks of life, some religious, some not. Point is, our state decided. Get on with your lives...
Supreme court judges overturned the voice of the people who voted against gay marriage years ago on Prop 22. You are right, it should never have been on the ballot. The judges should not have insulted the democratic will of the people.
before we know it, after that gays will be stripped of their citizenship and hearded into camps. Stop this now before it goes to far. Let them marry, if two gays marry how does it hurt your marriage. You loose nothing at all. the only people with something to loose in this fight is the homosexual community.
I am not gay but i will support everyones civil libeties to be happy. I will support it to fight it from going too far. Things like this tend to go way too far very quickly. first, its a few seamingly harmless restrictions, then it gets into a constitution. Before we know it, gays will be be forbidden to work in some professions, like teachers, doctors, they wont be able to adopt (they arent in some places. people are bitching about gay teachers ) thats how it started in germany.
dypickleboy i am guessing you are a christian and its one of the funniest damn things when i hear christians say they are persecuted in america. i mean damn, you control the laws and some judges rule you cant discriminate against others so your discriminated against lol. Here is some news for you, I AM A JEWISH WOMAN. want to know about discrimination and oppression, I know about it. my ancestors know about it. It was done by christians in places with names like Treblinka.
3. thats why in Massachusetts adoptions suddenly had to put children in gay families.... my fault, just total consequence that it happen to Massachusetts only after it legalize gay marriage, and to no other state in the country.
4. legal experts say that this is a was possibility but i like to see the law that prevents this.
3) Correlation does not imply causation, silly. It WAS because of non-discrimination laws... liberal states are more likely to recognize same-sex relationships and liberal states are more likely to enforce non-discrimination laws more strictly... the fact that same-sex marriage and non-discrimination laws both occur doesn't mean that one causes the other, it means that the state is liberal.
You should look up the LA Times editorial: "No on Proposition 8: Debunking the myths used to promote the ban on same-sex marriage." It does a pretty good job of providing the full - more honest - context to the case you cite. Main highlight...
"not because of the state's gay marriage law but because of a gay anti-discrimination law passed many years earlier"
Please read that article before commenting further. It addresses ALL these Yeson8 lies.
4) Legal experts roundly rejected this claim so I don't know who you're referring to. Just because something is a possibility, doesn't mean you have to have a law for it... it's POSSIBLE that atheists are going to sue priests for preaching anti-science lies... there's no law that specifically exempts this. But it's NOT LIKELY and there's NO PRECEDENT and they'd likely LOSE the case.
yeah only 14 words and it says only a man and a woman. nothing big huh. so were the nuremberg laws. same sex marriages are no longer recognized. perhaps if christians are going to be so angry if they have to recognize same sex marriages are equal, perhaps the state has no place recognizing a religious sacrament. christians are the most biggoted people on this planet.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
That's odd. I was sure the ballot read, "eliminates the RIGHT of same-sex couples to marry." The CA Supreme Court found that domestic partnerships do NOT confer the same rights and privileges as marriage. They found them to be separate and UNequal. They found that there was no rational basis to exclude same-sex couples from the RIGHT to marry. Thanks for your input though.
hehe... nice little banter we've got going on here. But that was the whole point of the case before the CA Supreme Court... that domestic partnerships do NOT live up to that description in reality. They found it did NOT in fact confer the same rights and responsibilities.
You should give the ruling a read... they go into great detail as to why domestic partnerships do not live up... despite having the technical rights and benefits, there are intangible rights and benefits that only marriage affords.
"... affording same-sex couples access only to the separate institution of domestic partnership, and denying such couples access to the established institution of marriage, properly must be viewed as impinging upon the right of those couples to have their family relationship accorded respect and dignity equal to that accorded the family relationship of opposite-sex couples."
then what does prop 8 have to do with the supreme court mentioning that people in gay marriages dont have equal rights(which they should be getting legally and prop 8 has changed nothing about that)?
I don't follow what you're asking. Same-sex couples were excluded from marriage. The Supreme Court said this was wrong, that they had a right to marry, and that marriage confers rights that domestic partnerships do not. So then same-sex couples could get married. Prop 8 passed and eliminated same-sex couples' right to marry - and the associated rights/benefits of marriage that domestic partnerships do NOT confer. So Prop 8 did eliminate rights.
Look, dude, I'm not here to argue whether you think it's a right or not. I'm just telling you what the California Supreme Court said. They said marriage was a right and, by eliminating same-sex marriage, Prop 8 therefore eliminates a right. Can't be any clearer than that. Same-sex couples cannot get married in a church because marriage is a STATE institution and the State of California no longer recognizes them.
Of course Prop 8 is redefining what marriage is legally... duh! And by defining it in a way that excludes same-sex couples, it denies same-sex couples the LEGAL right to marry. What you don't seem to understand is that marriage is a STATE institution and that different RELIGIONS can choose whether or not these marriages are recognized in their own churches.
1) If they're the same thing, then why should the State call them two different things? Shouldn't churches be left to make any distinctions they might want to?
2) As I've pointed out, the California Supreme Court ruled that they were not in fact the same thing... that there were rights inherent in marriage that were not inherent in domestic partnerships. Separate is NOT equal.
1) See there you go, there is prop8 in a nutshell. i dont why people care so much about a title or a name. It has nothing to with rights.
2) If gay marriages are not getting the same benefits straight marriages have that domestic partnerships are supposed to have, then thats a separate problem that has nothing to do with what prop 8 addressed.
1) Wow. You're really quite slow aren't you. If you don't understand why people care so much about a title, then why do YOU care so much about a title. Both sides agree on one thing: marriage as an institution is important for building strong families. I think it's so sad to exclude same-sex couples and their families from this.
2) I don't think you understand something. There is no such thing as 'gay marriages' now. Prop 8 BANS gay marriages. The WORD marriage confers rights that domestic partnerships do not. READ THE RULING. Churches are always free to recognize or not recognize marriages according to their beliefs... this is a STATE issue.
DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS HAVE THE SAME BENEFITS AND RIGHTS AS MARRIAGES, its say in the fucking Californian constitution!!! what are these "rights" that marriages have that domestic partnership dont have?
It does NOT say that in the CA Constitution. The CA Supreme Court looked at the state's domestic partner laws and found them to be inconsistent with the CA Constitution. They found that there was a RIGHT to marry (so THAT is the right that Prop 8 removes). The ADDITIONAL rights/benefits that Prop 8 eliminates are the ones associated with the WORD marriage... a right to privacy was one of the things cited since by saying 'domestic partner' someone has to reveal their sexual orientation.
What about medical forms and such. You often have to state your relationship status on those types of things I believe. Anywho, it's not my opinion, it's the opinion of the CA Supreme Court. And what THEY say determines what the law is.
haha... you don't give up, do you? I meant medical insurance forms... but being gay or straight is not critical information for a doctor anyway and is at the discretion of the patient. Plus that was just one example... there are others... many forms that require disclosing marital/relationship status. But, again, to my main point... it's not me saying these things, it's the CA Supreme Court... argue with THEM.
That's kinda the point. There's no common understanding of what a domestic partnership is. Forms either say 'single' or 'married' and people in domestic partnerships are left wondering what to do, often having to disclose their confusion and thereby disclose their sexual orientation.
That is just one specific example that you were asking for. I have made it clear that it is primarily about the RIGHT to marry. The word marriage carries a level of common understanding, of dignity, and of respect... and many subtle rights like the one over privacy. There is no rational basis to exclude same-sex couples from the right to marry. That is what the Supreme Court found, and I happen to concur.
I do not see ANY harmful consequences of allowing same-sex couples to marry - and neither did the court. There are only negative consequences if you hold an irrational, anti-science view of homosexuality... because then you would want homosexuality shunned. But otherwise, no RATIONAL reason to exclude 'em. Hope that helps clarify my perspective.
the same consequences Mississippi is dealing with? whats going to make California any different? Maybe if we just wish harder than Mississippi, maybe it wont happen to us.
Equal treatment UNDER THE LAW does convey dignity and respect. You are welcome to have your exclusive notion of marriage IN YOUR CHURCH. But THE STATE cannot and should not discriminate based on YOUR religious beliefs.
You second statement about the courts is laughable. So you don't believe in the judicial branch of government?! The courts exist to protect the rights of a minority from the will of a majority. They are EDUCATED constitutional lawyers/scholars who are removed from public opinion.
i wasn't saying the judicial branch is bad, im just saying that one person could have changed his mind or have one different person and prop 22 wouldn't have been ruled unconstitutional.
also u keep on bringing up an arguement that "because the supreme court ruled it, marriage for gays is a right." which u would still believe regardless of what they said.
plus i wanna a list a rights ok, u keep on say it eliminates rights, and yet u have only told me one bad example.... maybe ill believe......
I keep mentioning what the CA Supreme Court said because their ruling determined what the law was in California, and was the basis for the claims of this video - which you implied were dishonest.
There is no list of technical rights (taxes, etc). It's about the fundamental right to marry and the associated non-technical rights (privacy, equal treatment) that come with that word.
I'm going to assume you mean Massachusetts. Care to list any specific consequences? I guarantee that any you list will be a result of non-discrimination laws or education codes and NOT marriage laws. The best proof of this is to see how the 'consequences' in Massachusetts also occur in New Jersey, New Mexico, ALL OVER... in states that DO and DO NOT recognize same-sex marriage. You should check out my other videos btw. They address a lot of this.
1) CA Education Code determines what students do and don't learn about marriage... please watch my video 'Nothing To Do With Schools' to see all the things that can still be taught even though Prop 8 has passed.
2) False: churches will not be required to officiate same-sex ceremonies... please watch my video Five Little Lies for the quote from CA Supreme Court ruling on this.
3) Non-discrimination laws determine whether or not adoption agencies can discriminate, not marriage laws.
4) Non-discrimination laws again. You'll be interested to know that the main example cited for this was in a state that did NOT recognize same-sex marriage.
5) There have been no examples of this happening in the U.S. Freedom of religion and freedom of speech in this country protect this.
Also, here's a list of organizations that happen to share this perspective...
American Psychological Association, the Child Welfare League of America, the American Bar Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the North American Council on Adoptable Children, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychoanalytic Association, and the American Academy of Family Physicians
no dylick those are rights that exist under marriage but NOT domestic partnership. some insurances wont cover a partner under a domestic partnership. Domestic partnerships DONT get federal and estate tax breaks. DO NOT. Family related SOcial Security Benefits DONT cover domestic partnerships. SORRY the two arent equal and when someone says they are. ITS A LIE
sorry. the federal tax laws dont pay attention to whether each state agrees with it and neither do federal social security. . insurances can be sued and i wonder why they haven't
and u left out one thing, GAYS CAN STILL GET DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP, or should i say marriage for gays. prop 8 only separates straight marriages as "marriage" and gay marriage as "domestic partnership", in legal terms that is. and gays can also still get married in churches that allow gay marriage.
The term marriage is only describing man and woman. Not any type of homosexual. Prop 8 does not violate the constitution. Prop 8 is unconstitutional ONLY when the condition is a hierarchy term to describe heterosexual and homosexual couples. However if the term marriage is a SUBSET of domestic partnership, it is constitutional. No law should treat any subset of the domestic partnership unequally with segregation.
My god, this entire thing is over a word for God's sake! The only thing either side would get from winning would be the change of one word in someones vocabulary. And why do you hate gay people? I have a few gay friends. I think it's wrong and I disagree with it completely, but that doesn't mean I hate the actual people. Hate what they are, don't hate them.
Doesn't god teach about love cause all you religious freaks seem to do is spread hate!!! I am sorry but how could denying someone their fudemental right to marry who they choose, be a good thing. You shoudl be ashamed of yourself. I am disgusted by views like yours. Maybe you should get over yourself for a minute and think of how your actions hurt other people.
Thanks for posting this! A lot of people I know who normally don't mind same sex marriage have been swayed by that exaggeration about it being taught in schools, and I don't know what to tell them beyond the exact wording of prop 8. E-Day in Two days! Please vote no on 8!
itsdylanbetch: You call me ignorant bigot. 1) I haven't said anything hateful, so I'm not a bigot, and 2) I have pages of research on my Blogger website, prop8voterinfo, so I'm not ignorant on this issue either. You should practice what you preach.
They need to really clearify what prop 8 is about. As for gay marriage, who really cares? Let them marry, ain't hurting you at all. If it's for education, then thats another story. Kids that age should not need to know about gay marriage. If gay marriage is somehow going to affect them, then thats the parents' responsibility. Not the schools.
Exactly. All these groups try to use scare tactics to reach voters. It's ridiculous. This is an issue on rights, and equality, not schools and kids. they're trying to hit us where it hurts, and for some it's working.
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avalonjoyous, I'm afraid you are mistaken. There are a few versions of this video on youtube so maybe you are mixing them up. From your profile it seems like you support marriage equality, so I'm curious as to why you think I'd remove comments that reflect a similar view to mine. I try to leave all comments up, whether I agree with them or not. Please be more careful before smearing my profile and video.
I'm amused to discover that the people voting YES on Prop 8 have been banning dissenting opinions whereas most of those voting NO are allowing others to say so. Check it out: watch?v=KFFwBokHVfo&feature=related It's VERY telling of the rather anti-American conservative mindset overtaking this country. Shame, we used to be a pretty decent democracy...
Gay marriage was shoved down our throats against the will of the people. If 8 fails, what will stop the homosexual deviants from indoctrinating our children like they did in Massachusetts? YES on 8!!!
The yes on 8 campaign recently sent letters to businesses that support equality in California, THREATENING to "Expose" these donors if they dont donate to the yes on 8 campaign and refrain from supporting the no on 8 campaign. IF LIES DONT WORK MAYBE THREATS AND BLACKMAIL WILL.
Lies,Lies & more Lies --- vote NO - On 8 - let people who love get all the benfits of Normal marriages -- Insurance , Hospital Visitation rites - Burial Rights - Taxation Right -- Oh and don't forget the 50% Divorce rate of Normal Marriages, too. ;)Keep Hope Alive!!!
Shall we then change the definition of marriage so that I can marry my sister, my child, or a dog? 'Cause I really, really want to, and it violates my rights to tell me that I can't shack up with any of them, and call it 'marriage'.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Everyone around the US thinks anyone living in Mass. is a uber liberal; They're not. About 40% are conservatives. Unfortunately
50-60% of the voters are liberals. There's something in the water in that state. We lived in the Boston MA area for 10 yrs & I couldn't take it anymore -- so glad to be living in Florida in a very conservative area where GOP voters rule. I hope CA voters do the right thing -- don't CONDONE immoral behavior by giving it credibility in calling it MARRIAGE!
The liberals pushing for vote NO/Prop 8 amuse me. They'll scream/rant if there is even a HINT of Christianity, prayer, or pledging allegiance to the flag (as I did everyday as a child in the Midwest), yet they are OK with INDOCTRINATING kids at an early age to think that immoral living is just fine and dandy. There's a big difference between discriminating and condoning. Do your own thing in private, have "civil unions", but please don't call it marriage. That's deeply offesive to many of us!
Not true...we are very much about 'each to his own.' It is the right-wing nuts that are trying to push their way into OUR lives by deciding that they can have something under the LAW (not within their homes or churches, but under the LAW) that no one else can have. It's SO simple. Under the Law, Person A should have all the rights that person B has. Period. Please don't vote discrimination into law. Vote no on 8.
Several of you are suggesting that Mass. has nothing to do with us. How do you figure? We are right now being presented with the exact same thing, in the exact same way. Did you not hear that activist judges in Connecticut last week overturned their state's gay marriage ban? Like aprillh says below, this is not about tolerance. It is about fascism. "YOU WILL BELIEVE IN HOMOSEXUALITY OR ELSE!!!"
It is about fascism: ONLY WE CAN HAVE FIRST-CLASS SITIZEN STATUS IN THE US! How can you stand there and say that it's fair to write into LAW what is so obviously discrimination? Under the Law, Person A should have the same rights as Person B. PERIOD!
"Words, just words!" I lived in Mass. and remember this ridiculous case. My husband grew up in Lexington MA. They are all nutjob liberals who won't be happy until they INDOCTRINATE EVERY CHILD TO THINK THEIR LIBERAL WAYS ARE THE ONLY WAY! Californian's: pls preserve marriage -- vote YES on Prop 3!!! Florida voters, vote YES on 2!!!
"1912" Blacks use the fountain to the left, Whites use the one to the right- "2008"Gays get civil unions Straights get marriage? HAVE WE NOT LEARNED OUR LESSON? SEPERATE BUT EQUAL DOES NOT EXIST "VOTE NO ON PROP 8"
Read "What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts" on MassResistance[dot]org and find out specific ways homosexuality has been force-fed to children in that state already. Remember: it was sold to that state as ONLY being about tolerance of gay marriage, just like it's being presented here in CA. The same groups who say it won't be put in schools in CA are the ones who advised the courts to PUT IT IN schools there. It was never the openly expressed intent, but it happened nevertheless.
"1912" Blacks use the fountain to the left, Whites use the one to the right- "2008"Gays get civil unions Straights get marriage? HAVE WE NOT LEARNED OUR LESSON? SEPERATE BUT EQUAL DOES NOT EXIST "VOTE NO ON PROP 8"
That's a ridiculous analogy. Gays have equal rights in every way. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are simply NOT THE SAME THING! "Separate and different" would be more honest.
YES ON 8 to keep the government out of our lives and churches!
YES ON 8 to protect children from being taught that unhealthy practices are acceptable!
YES ON 8 to stop activists from forcefully "socially engineering" us!
You are an ignorant bigot. This issue has nothing to do with children, so quit trying to use that card. This is about equality. But you prejudice people just can't seem to grasp that the government doesn't care about your religious beliefs. Church and state are separated for a reason.
"save the kids yes on 8" what exactly are you saving them from? by even suggesting that our children need to be saved from equality of rights shows the nature and intensity of the amount of ignorance that our country has.
wake up, this is a civil rights movement (just like the women's & black's rights movement).
According to scientific experts over the past 70+ years, gays are NOT "born that way!" Civil rights applies only to discrimination against things people have no control over (like skin color). Homosexuality is a choice! You do not have the right to force acceptance of your choices on other people! If you let that argument stand, then we can never put anyone in prison ever again, and we should be teaching prostitution and drug abuse in schools, also. Equality does not mean "anything goes."
Wow. You've been misinformed in other posts, Rod (or Nathalie) but this one puts forth a complete falsehood. "Scientic Papers"? "Homosecxuality is a choice"? Your papers must be FROM 70+ years ago. No self-respecting shrink has thought this for decades. And I can assure you, as someone who tried to fight what he felt for years (due to societal pressure) and who was born to strictly hetero parents and surrounded by hetero ideals, that I WAS born this way. And NO ONE will tell me who I can love.
You are right - the gay community has all the rights because currently GAY MARRAGE IS LEGAL AND HAS BEEN SINCE MAY - PROP 8 WILL TAKE THESE EQUAL RIGHTS AWAY. This issue IS NOT about Education, Children or Religion.
What's dumb about that MA couple and their commercial is that it was the teacher's idea to read that book in the class. It wasn't part of a mandatory curricula! Also, it's a damn published children's book!
Loveeet, what do you mean give children a chance? and how does voting no give child predators a way in? couples are screened extensively before children can be adopted. IGNORANT!
Save innocent children from child predators..Vote yes on prop 8 so we may give children a chance...Children will be forced into homosexual homes and not be allowed to have a mom and a dad. Every child deserves a mommy and a daddy voting NO gives child predators a way in!
Three times has this bigoted loser (LOVEEET) spammed my videos and youtube acoount with his lies. Prop 8 has NOTHING to do with children or schools. Don't fall for it -- he and the backers of the ads are lying to get Californians to write discrimination into law. "forced into homosexual homes"? You're claims aren't even remotely believable anymore...and frankly, neither is your Christianity.
YOU are the bigot against religion and heterosexuals. And you're a liar. What is going on in Mass. will happen here, too. About kids being "forced into homosexual homes" (ie, gay parents adopting), when courts are forced to ignore existing scientific evidence that gay relationships are unhealthy, they will be recognized as "normal" and allowed to have kids. NARTH has articles showing how kids in these homes are in increased danger for several things, including suicide. Go read the facts.
Rod. Calm down. Gays are ALREADY allowed to adopt kids and have been for many years. Prop 8 doesn't even discuss that. Prop 8 won't change that. The only thing prop 8 does is create a level of second-class-citizens under State Law. It's unfair and it's wrong. Vote No on Prop 8.
Save innocent children from child predators..Vote yes on prop 8 so we may give children a chance...Children will be forced into homosexual homes and not be allowed to have a mom and a dad. Every child deserves a mommy and a daddy voting NO gives child predators a way in!
Seriously, LOVEEET, do you have to keep putting your lies and hate-mongering graffiti on my youtube account? I can take it down just as fast...People, THIS is the kind of person you are sharing your fear with if you vote yes on this discriminatory proposition. His -- and the ads' -- assertion that 8 has something to do with children is completely false.
Massachusetts, Massachusetts...bla bla bla. The fact is that they have some poorly written laws in Massachusetts. We do not. There are already provisions written in California law that protect schools and churches. Don't fall for this B.S. -- it's simply a ruse to get you to vote discrimination into law. Vote NO on prop 8.
Save innocent children from child predators..Vote yes on prop 8 so we may give children a chance...Children will be forced into homosexual homes and not be allowed to have a mom and a dad. Every child deserves a mommy and a daddy voting NO gives child predators a way in!
"Oh yes, SaaaaAaaAaAave the children," he wails...again trying to distract from the real issue. Prop 8 has nothing to do with children, schools or tax exemption. Nothing. Do not be fooled by their overly dramatic rhetoric: Prop 8 has everything to do with taking away existing rights from tax-paying Californians. No matter how you feel about same-sex marriage, please don't write discrimination into our constitution! Vote NO on 8.
You have got to be kidding. This is ignorance at its finest.
Reply to: Save innocent children from child predators..Vote yes on prop 8 so we may give children a chance...Children will be forced into homosexual homes and not be allowed to have a mom and a dad. Every child deserves a mommy and a daddy voting NO gives child predators a way in!
Lies Lies Lies...The superintendent of schools in my neighborhood is gay and has made it very clear that she will be sending home "diversity " packets to kids 1-5 grade these diversity packet will go over hating people who hate 2 mommys and 2 daddy's so you are full of crap! It;s already happening
"Oh yes, SaaaaAaaAaAave the children," they wail...again trying to distract from the real issue. Prop 8 has nothing to do with children, schools or tax exemption. Do not be fooled by their overly dramatic rhetoric: Prop 8 has everything to do with taking away existing rights from tax-paying Californians. No matter how you feel about same-sex marriage, please don't write discrimination into our constitution! Vote NO on 8.
I am so sick of the lies from the gay community..they already have all teh rights heterosexuals have(calif code 297.5f).I am so sick of them crying bigotry..well you know what "MARRIAGE" defines one man and one woman HANDS OFF...You cannot get married and I'll be damned if some gay teacher is going to tell my child it's ok to be gay...In my house it is not. if 8 isn't passed teachers have every right talk about gay marriage..see bill parker massachusets he was arrested when he got mad for that!
Way to confuse the issue AND be a blowhard in less than 10 words. Prop 8 does not protect children. Watch the video again...children are no more or less "protected" with 8 than they are without it.
This person (LOVEFEET), who tagged my youtube account with "no HOMOS allowed", is the kind of fascist you are all siding with on this issue when you vote Yes on 8. He has fallen for the hype and the lies. He has decided it's okay to write discrimination into the constitution rather than let the other EXISTING laws do their job. Please consider for yourself whether this kind of unfounded, aggrandized fear will make YOU vote for separate and UNEQUAL status for thousands of tax-paying Califonians.
and what makes being gay not okay? there are gay animals so it is natural for them. indicting that being gay is not an okay thing to be is just intolerant. i respect your opinions but remember that the united states is progressing and were going to move past this soon, no matter how it turns out. we came to the americas for religious freedom, if basing our laws on the bible is okay then lets burn the constitution. tolerance and equality for all NO on prop 8
So...instead, of allowing this diversity packet to be considered by individual parents, you would want the kids of gay couples to continued to be bullied? This packet which would attempt to stop the bullying of these kids is seen as...evil by you? Gays have been able and will be able to adopt regardless of prop 8...please don't let the lies promoted by these ads and this scurilous hate-monger (he graffitied my youtube account with "no HOMOS allowed", remember) get to you. Please vote no on 8.
This wasn't being taught to kids because of bullying. Don't try to blame gay activism on Christians. Plus, no one's bad behavior should distract you from the facts. Mormons trying to attend religious services were attacked last Friday. Should that make people vote yes? No! Only the facts should! The Vote YES ad is actually telling the truth. Mass. laws allowed parental opt-out, too, until the courts overturned them. It will be the same here in CA.
"What you failed to mention is the what is next on the Gay agenda. Homosexuals want to FORCE churches to marry them, which if they don't, the church would lose its tax exemption. Your video does not mention this and therefore the points you make have no merit. IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH EDUCATION, RELIGION, AND CHILDREN. Don't try blowing smoke in my face and tell me its perfume."
I liked this response, so I'll do some repeating too...
"No one can force clergy to marry ANYONE against their doctrine. If they could, straight couples would have been doing it for years, just to get their picture taken with Billy Graham presiding, or divorced atheists just to gain access into St Patrick's Cathedral."
Under that same argument I can sue a Jewish Synagogue for not believing that Jesus is God. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" You should read our constitution sometime. This is not a theocracy and our government can't force religions to change their belief system. It is what makes America great. Equality!
Read "What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts" on MasResistance[dot]org and you will see that it actually IS true. They told Mass. it was only about tolerance there, too, but now teachers can talk to 8th-graders about lesbians using sex toys to have vaginal intercourse. Does that sound right to you? Does that have anything to do with anything kids might need to know about gay marriage? Read the article, and wise up.
The facts are that California ALREADY has provisions that allow parents to choose the school curriculum. Anything that happens in Massachusetts...stays in Massachusetts. Don't fall for this subterfuge. Don't vote for discrimination. NO ON 8!
Did you watch this video for the information on the provisions specifically set aside by the court? I am confused as to why you are asking -- it's right in the video you are posting under. As for schools and parents, you can project your fear into the future about something or other happening...but same-sex marriage is legal right NOW and it hasn't happened. Not in the least! Furthermore, the solution is NOT to write discrimination into our constitution. There ARE other provisions. Vote NO ON 8!
Please read my whole email, especially the part where I said, "Who is to say the supreme court wont overrule this. You and I both know, any law or amendment can be overruled, or subject to change."
Any provision now can be changed in the future, as mentioned already the "right" as you like to call it, was already decided by a vote of 61%.
Why is California voting again, over the same issue? Simple, the supreme court abolished the will of the people. Sad but true. YesProp8.
I read the whole posting. And yes, let's ask why the people are voting again...when this is clearly an issue of minority rights and constitutionality. IF prop 8 passes, it will be struck down -- it is unconstitutional to VOTE that the rights granted to person A will not be given to person B. So do the right thing and end this: VOTE NO on PROP 8.
Too bad so many parents will allow the indoctrination of their children because it is too much of a hassle to go against schools that push wrong values. Yes they have the right to object, but most won't. Once they get marriage redefined, they will push for more. Don't believe the lies that this is about love or even marriage. It is about pushing an agenda any way they can and punishing anyone that doesn't agree with them.
The lies are working and you are proof. PEOPLE- THERE ARE NO GAY AGENDAS. There is no such thing as Gay Recruiters. THIS PROPOSITION IS NOT ABOUT GAY RIGHTS - IT IS ABOUT TAKING AWAY RIGHTS OF GAY PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY EXIST!
haha... thanks for posting that. Perhaps it's better to say that there's no 'sinister gay agenda' (one where gays want to recruit children or destroy religion and marriage). There are certainly LGBT advocacy organizations working on full equality for LGBT Americans... and, like any advocacy group, they want to be strategic. The document you referenced is an open statement by a series of LGBT advocacy groups on how to expand marriage equality to all of the United States.
You are welcome for the document. Based on this from Merriam-Webster: "sinister suggests a general or vague feeling of fear or apprehension on the part of the observer."
So not sinister to you and many others, but sinister to me and many others. All of this boils down to different points of view. Express your opinion and vote as you wish, I shall do the same.
Well said. I'm just hoping that people become less fearful and apprehensive about same-sex couples... especially since all mainstream research shows them to be just fine and dandy. As for Judeo-Christian religious objections, I can only hope that people take a contextual look at the Bible in assessing homosexuality... and let modern research complement their understanding.
As for Prop 8, it eliminates the right for same-sex couples to a CIVIL marriage. It does not affect schools nor churches.
For All? Do you include a polygamist's right to marry multiple people or a pedophile's right to marry a child? OR do you limit the right to marry only slightly less than I would?
Virtually every major paper in California is against Prop 8. The L.A. Times says it is "a drastic step to strip people of rights." La Opinión called Prop 8 "an unnecessary initiative". The San Diego Union Tribune wrote that Prop 8 "offends many Californians' sense of fairness."
Why do they say "life liberty & the pursuit of happiness", "Liberty & justice for all", then have laws telling us who we can & cannot marry. There should be absolutely no exceptions. I hte the fact that I was born in the U.S. & am still treated like a second class citezen because I am gay. Like I sai, there should be absolutely no exceptions.
MattieHarper 9 months ago
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LobaLupus 2 years ago
You forgot something else:
if you don't want schools bringing up homosexuality and stuff, then vote to have that taken out of the school codes. Proposition 8 isn't needed.
Dacadvid 2 years ago
the court ruled to allow gay marriages because the court has to protect the minorities RIGHTS from the majority rule.
in plessy vs. ferguson, the courts ruled separate but equal. blacks sit in the back, gays cant call their union a marriage, its all documentation.
when gays go to the county to get their civil unions, its not recognized by other states, and all they consider it is a legal agreement. how about this, you have have the legal agreement, but give us marriage!
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
MichelleMcCaffreyAnn, "clean up our act and behave?" Like when Fred Phelps and his Baptist church holds up "God Hates Fags" signs, pickets Matthew Shepherd's funeral and blames gay people for 9/11, Hurrican Katrina, and the Iraq war? Pleeeeeaaaaaaasssssee. Or what about yes on 8 supporters sending letters to 8 gay bars in Seattle threatening to poison people with ricin? Try looking at some of the comments from your "friends" and tell me that we need to clean up our act.
chrisehogan 3 years ago 4
crazywabt, the difference between you and us is that when the people of california vote on this again, and our marriage rights are given back to us, we aren't going to tell you to go to Canada. Oh, wait, Canada already believes in equality. I guess you anti-marriage folks will have to go to Alabama or some other state that's still afraid of two men or two women being happy.
chrisehogan 3 years ago 3
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gays have to clean up their act and behave better in society before doing anything else
MichelleMcCaffreyAnn 3 years ago
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This is OLD news.....you don't even hear about this any more..... Gays went back to sniveling and whining and crying ( boo fcking hoo)....marriage is between a man and a woman....adam and eve.....not adam and steve....
Don't like it....too bad the people have spoken,voted on it, and now the vote passed.....off to Canada you go....
cwazywabt 3 years ago
Adam and Eve weren't real. This law will be overturned don't like it . too bad of to Iran you go. I think you'll like it there because there are allot of religious fundamentalists there except they worship a different invisible man than you however I'm sure you'll find yourself right at home when you see them beheading gay couples in the town square.
tessariot 2 years ago
LMAO!!! The people have spoken!!! Gays find somewhere else to get married and infect the populace of your detestable actions.....it's about time the people finally woke up to the immorality happening in thier backyards and neighborhoods.....NOW...deal with it....
cwazywabt 3 years ago
It's remarks similar to those that started the holocaust and the civil war. Imagine it vice versa. Gays told YOU to go to Canada to get married and denied YOUR marrage rights.
flamingbow15 3 years ago 2
PROPOSITION 8 CREATURES ARE: A FEARFUL PATHETIC HELPLESS UGLY BIGOTS - UNEDUCATED IDIOTS!
HYPOCRATES, devoted to your opinions and prejudices; ones who regards or treats the members of groups (as a racial or ethnic groups) with hatred and intolerance
;
THE BIGGEST CLOSETED CASES ALSO;
WE HAVE TO DEPORT THEM TO TALIBAN.
SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT FREEDOM MEANS!
BAZHE 3 years ago 6
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YES ON 8.
Gay's have marriage 'rights'. They are free to marry someone of the opposite sex.
jeremydmarshall 3 years ago
why cant they have the right to marry the person they love?
idaman12345 2 years ago
If this attempt at overturning the voter's decision on this issue happens, you better hope these very same voters do no lash-out back at you for your actions. This lawsuit could potentially have serious problems for everyone if it goes down.
M3anbone 3 years ago
They'll just have to accept it.
If they can't, any violent reactions will be dealt with by the police, or National Guard if need be.
Felidaise 3 years ago
How convenient. Have anyone not learned from LA the riots and Katrina? Yes, anger can be suppressed but not after a serious amount destruction occurs which will cost this country several million dollars. Again, it's only a matter of time -- this could be a potential problem for everyone.
M3anbone 3 years ago
There were plenty of whites who were pissed when segregation laws were dismissed by the Supreme Court.
I don't think the prop. 8 supporters are going to be more violent than the whites during the civil rights movement.
Felidaise 3 years ago
This is going to be on-going. It's done with people, the state has voted. Those who've voted Yes come from all walks of life, some religious, some not. Point is, our state decided. Get on with your lives...
M3anbone 3 years ago
It is not over.
There is a lawsuit on Prop. 8 underway.
Prop. 8 took away gay couples' rights, it should never have been on the ballot.
Felidaise 3 years ago
Retard.
Supreme court judges overturned the voice of the people who voted against gay marriage years ago on Prop 22. You are right, it should never have been on the ballot. The judges should not have insulted the democratic will of the people.
jeremydmarshall 3 years ago
Civil rights are not something that should ever be voted on.
A majority cannot determine th rights of a viable minority.
The majority isn't always right.
People voted to keep slavery, and to suppress women's right to vote.
The Supreme Court overturned the voice of the people in those instances, and they will do it in California.
Felidaise 3 years ago
before we know it, after that gays will be stripped of their citizenship and hearded into camps. Stop this now before it goes to far. Let them marry, if two gays marry how does it hurt your marriage. You loose nothing at all. the only people with something to loose in this fight is the homosexual community.
jasmine5000 3 years ago 2
I am not gay but i will support everyones civil libeties to be happy. I will support it to fight it from going too far. Things like this tend to go way too far very quickly. first, its a few seamingly harmless restrictions, then it gets into a constitution. Before we know it, gays will be be forbidden to work in some professions, like teachers, doctors, they wont be able to adopt (they arent in some places. people are bitching about gay teachers ) thats how it started in germany.
jasmine5000 3 years ago 2
dypickleboy i am guessing you are a christian and its one of the funniest damn things when i hear christians say they are persecuted in america. i mean damn, you control the laws and some judges rule you cant discriminate against others so your discriminated against lol. Here is some news for you, I AM A JEWISH WOMAN. want to know about discrimination and oppression, I know about it. my ancestors know about it. It was done by christians in places with names like Treblinka.
jasmine5000 3 years ago
3. thats why in Massachusetts adoptions suddenly had to put children in gay families.... my fault, just total consequence that it happen to Massachusetts only after it legalize gay marriage, and to no other state in the country.
4. legal experts say that this is a was possibility but i like to see the law that prevents this.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
3) Correlation does not imply causation, silly. It WAS because of non-discrimination laws... liberal states are more likely to recognize same-sex relationships and liberal states are more likely to enforce non-discrimination laws more strictly... the fact that same-sex marriage and non-discrimination laws both occur doesn't mean that one causes the other, it means that the state is liberal.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
You should look up the LA Times editorial: "No on Proposition 8: Debunking the myths used to promote the ban on same-sex marriage." It does a pretty good job of providing the full - more honest - context to the case you cite. Main highlight...
"not because of the state's gay marriage law but because of a gay anti-discrimination law passed many years earlier"
Please read that article before commenting further. It addresses ALL these Yeson8 lies.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
4) Legal experts roundly rejected this claim so I don't know who you're referring to. Just because something is a possibility, doesn't mean you have to have a law for it... it's POSSIBLE that atheists are going to sue priests for preaching anti-science lies... there's no law that specifically exempts this. But it's NOT LIKELY and there's NO PRECEDENT and they'd likely LOSE the case.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
What's the name of the song you used? Thanks.
Chibitakusan 3 years ago
Enya. Book of Days.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
Cool, thanks much
Chibitakusan 3 years ago
No prob =)
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
the right to family-related Social Security benefits;
the right to federal income and estate tax breaks; and the right to purchase continued health coverage for a partner after the loss of a job.
domestic partnerships dont have those rights and marriages do. thats the difference. stop discrimination
jasmine5000 3 years ago
all good examples of rights that gays already receive with domestic partnership.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
and the state has refused to recognize marriage between same sex partners.
jasmine5000 3 years ago
yeah only 14 words and it says only a man and a woman. nothing big huh. so were the nuremberg laws. same sex marriages are no longer recognized. perhaps if christians are going to be so angry if they have to recognize same sex marriages are equal, perhaps the state has no place recognizing a religious sacrament. christians are the most biggoted people on this planet.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
jasmine5000 3 years ago
all it is saying that the term "marriage" legally is only between a man and a women
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
the TRUE big lie is that prop 8 eliminates rights, which is does not
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
That's odd. I was sure the ballot read, "eliminates the RIGHT of same-sex couples to marry." The CA Supreme Court found that domestic partnerships do NOT confer the same rights and privileges as marriage. They found them to be separate and UNequal. They found that there was no rational basis to exclude same-sex couples from the RIGHT to marry. Thanks for your input though.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
thats odd. i was sure that Californian Family code section 297.5 says "Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights,
protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses." or maybe i just making stuff up, just like u.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
hehe... nice little banter we've got going on here. But that was the whole point of the case before the CA Supreme Court... that domestic partnerships do NOT live up to that description in reality. They found it did NOT in fact confer the same rights and responsibilities.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
no they rules that prop 22 was unconstitutional
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
You should give the ruling a read... they go into great detail as to why domestic partnerships do not live up... despite having the technical rights and benefits, there are intangible rights and benefits that only marriage affords.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
Here's a nice lil snippet...
"... affording same-sex couples access only to the separate institution of domestic partnership, and denying such couples access to the established institution of marriage, properly must be viewed as impinging upon the right of those couples to have their family relationship accorded respect and dignity equal to that accorded the family relationship of opposite-sex couples."
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
then what does prop 8 have to do with the supreme court mentioning that people in gay marriages dont have equal rights(which they should be getting legally and prop 8 has changed nothing about that)?
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
I don't follow what you're asking. Same-sex couples were excluded from marriage. The Supreme Court said this was wrong, that they had a right to marry, and that marriage confers rights that domestic partnerships do not. So then same-sex couples could get married. Prop 8 passed and eliminated same-sex couples' right to marry - and the associated rights/benefits of marriage that domestic partnerships do NOT confer. So Prop 8 did eliminate rights.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
yur right, except for the fact that prop 8 DOES NOT ELIMINATE RIGHTS.
all prop 8 does is change the Californian Constitution by adding these 14 words:
"Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."
no where in that does it say about removing gay's right to have domestic partnership or right to be married in a church.
it does nothing more than simply that. u should stop listening to what the commercials say before u make an arguement
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
Look, dude, I'm not here to argue whether you think it's a right or not. I'm just telling you what the California Supreme Court said. They said marriage was a right and, by eliminating same-sex marriage, Prop 8 therefore eliminates a right. Can't be any clearer than that. Same-sex couples cannot get married in a church because marriage is a STATE institution and the State of California no longer recognizes them.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
So "marriage" is only a right because the Californian Supreme court said so? prop 8 is only redefining what marriage(legally) is.
Also Gays can still get married in churches because Government and Church are separate.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
Of course Prop 8 is redefining what marriage is legally... duh! And by defining it in a way that excludes same-sex couples, it denies same-sex couples the LEGAL right to marry. What you don't seem to understand is that marriage is a STATE institution and that different RELIGIONS can choose whether or not these marriages are recognized in their own churches.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
legal marriage and domestic partners are the same fucking thing, so prop 8 isn't denying any rights.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
Two points...
1) If they're the same thing, then why should the State call them two different things? Shouldn't churches be left to make any distinctions they might want to?
2) As I've pointed out, the California Supreme Court ruled that they were not in fact the same thing... that there were rights inherent in marriage that were not inherent in domestic partnerships. Separate is NOT equal.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
1) See there you go, there is prop8 in a nutshell. i dont why people care so much about a title or a name. It has nothing to with rights.
2) If gay marriages are not getting the same benefits straight marriages have that domestic partnerships are supposed to have, then thats a separate problem that has nothing to do with what prop 8 addressed.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
1) Wow. You're really quite slow aren't you. If you don't understand why people care so much about a title, then why do YOU care so much about a title. Both sides agree on one thing: marriage as an institution is important for building strong families. I think it's so sad to exclude same-sex couples and their families from this.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
2) I don't think you understand something. There is no such thing as 'gay marriages' now. Prop 8 BANS gay marriages. The WORD marriage confers rights that domestic partnerships do not. READ THE RULING. Churches are always free to recognize or not recognize marriages according to their beliefs... this is a STATE issue.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS HAVE THE SAME BENEFITS AND RIGHTS AS MARRIAGES, its say in the fucking Californian constitution!!! what are these "rights" that marriages have that domestic partnership dont have?
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
It does NOT say that in the CA Constitution. The CA Supreme Court looked at the state's domestic partner laws and found them to be inconsistent with the CA Constitution. They found that there was a RIGHT to marry (so THAT is the right that Prop 8 removes). The ADDITIONAL rights/benefits that Prop 8 eliminates are the ones associated with the WORD marriage... a right to privacy was one of the things cited since by saying 'domestic partner' someone has to reveal their sexual orientation.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
in no circumstance are people forced to say their relationship status in anything, so they do have right to privacy just like married people.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
What about medical forms and such. You often have to state your relationship status on those types of things I believe. Anywho, it's not my opinion, it's the opinion of the CA Supreme Court. And what THEY say determines what the law is.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
ur doctor is suppose to know if ur straight or gay, it may be critical to ur health. plus, that is confidential information between u and ur doctor.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
haha... you don't give up, do you? I meant medical insurance forms... but being gay or straight is not critical information for a doctor anyway and is at the discretion of the patient. Plus that was just one example... there are others... many forms that require disclosing marital/relationship status. But, again, to my main point... it's not me saying these things, it's the CA Supreme Court... argue with THEM.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
i have never seen a form that ask u for if ur in a domestic partnership specifically.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
That's kinda the point. There's no common understanding of what a domestic partnership is. Forms either say 'single' or 'married' and people in domestic partnerships are left wondering what to do, often having to disclose their confusion and thereby disclose their sexual orientation.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
so ur voting to end a little confusion..... over harmful consequence voting no on 8 presents.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
That is just one specific example that you were asking for. I have made it clear that it is primarily about the RIGHT to marry. The word marriage carries a level of common understanding, of dignity, and of respect... and many subtle rights like the one over privacy. There is no rational basis to exclude same-sex couples from the right to marry. That is what the Supreme Court found, and I happen to concur.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
I do not see ANY harmful consequences of allowing same-sex couples to marry - and neither did the court. There are only negative consequences if you hold an irrational, anti-science view of homosexuality... because then you would want homosexuality shunned. But otherwise, no RATIONAL reason to exclude 'em. Hope that helps clarify my perspective.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
the same consequences Mississippi is dealing with? whats going to make California any different? Maybe if we just wish harder than Mississippi, maybe it wont happen to us.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
Equal treatment UNDER THE LAW does convey dignity and respect. You are welcome to have your exclusive notion of marriage IN YOUR CHURCH. But THE STATE cannot and should not discriminate based on YOUR religious beliefs.
You second statement about the courts is laughable. So you don't believe in the judicial branch of government?! The courts exist to protect the rights of a minority from the will of a majority. They are EDUCATED constitutional lawyers/scholars who are removed from public opinion.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
i wasn't saying the judicial branch is bad, im just saying that one person could have changed his mind or have one different person and prop 22 wouldn't have been ruled unconstitutional.
also u keep on bringing up an arguement that "because the supreme court ruled it, marriage for gays is a right." which u would still believe regardless of what they said.
plus i wanna a list a rights ok, u keep on say it eliminates rights, and yet u have only told me one bad example.... maybe ill believe......
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
I keep mentioning what the CA Supreme Court said because their ruling determined what the law was in California, and was the basis for the claims of this video - which you implied were dishonest.
There is no list of technical rights (taxes, etc). It's about the fundamental right to marry and the associated non-technical rights (privacy, equal treatment) that come with that word.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
I'm going to assume you mean Massachusetts. Care to list any specific consequences? I guarantee that any you list will be a result of non-discrimination laws or education codes and NOT marriage laws. The best proof of this is to see how the 'consequences' in Massachusetts also occur in New Jersey, New Mexico, ALL OVER... in states that DO and DO NOT recognize same-sex marriage. You should check out my other videos btw. They address a lot of this.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
1. Children will be taught gay marriage in schools(which i dont think is a be deal, but other people like to bitch about it).
2. churches will lose tax exempts.
3. all adoption agencies will be forced to give gay couple adoptions(once again, i dont care about this but others do.)
4.Religions that sponsor private schools with married student housing may be required to provide housing for same-sex couple.
5. people who preach against will be sue over personal beliefs.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
1) CA Education Code determines what students do and don't learn about marriage... please watch my video 'Nothing To Do With Schools' to see all the things that can still be taught even though Prop 8 has passed.
2) False: churches will not be required to officiate same-sex ceremonies... please watch my video Five Little Lies for the quote from CA Supreme Court ruling on this.
3) Non-discrimination laws determine whether or not adoption agencies can discriminate, not marriage laws.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
4) Non-discrimination laws again. You'll be interested to know that the main example cited for this was in a state that did NOT recognize same-sex marriage.
5) There have been no examples of this happening in the U.S. Freedom of religion and freedom of speech in this country protect this.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
Also, here's a list of organizations that happen to share this perspective...
American Psychological Association, the Child Welfare League of America, the American Bar Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the North American Council on Adoptable Children, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychoanalytic Association, and the American Academy of Family Physicians
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
no dylick those are rights that exist under marriage but NOT domestic partnership. some insurances wont cover a partner under a domestic partnership. Domestic partnerships DONT get federal and estate tax breaks. DO NOT. Family related SOcial Security Benefits DONT cover domestic partnerships. SORRY the two arent equal and when someone says they are. ITS A LIE
jasmine5000 3 years ago
California family code section 297.5 reads:
"(a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights,
protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses."
see that, the same rights. if they don't get any rights that is suable.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
sorry. the federal tax laws dont pay attention to whether each state agrees with it and neither do federal social security. . insurances can be sued and i wonder why they haven't
jasmine5000 3 years ago
and u left out one thing, GAYS CAN STILL GET DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP, or should i say marriage for gays. prop 8 only separates straight marriages as "marriage" and gay marriage as "domestic partnership", in legal terms that is. and gays can also still get married in churches that allow gay marriage.
dylpickleboy 3 years ago
The term marriage is only describing man and woman. Not any type of homosexual. Prop 8 does not violate the constitution. Prop 8 is unconstitutional ONLY when the condition is a hierarchy term to describe heterosexual and homosexual couples. However if the term marriage is a SUBSET of domestic partnership, it is constitutional. No law should treat any subset of the domestic partnership unequally with segregation.
videoreborn 3 years ago
My god, this entire thing is over a word for God's sake! The only thing either side would get from winning would be the change of one word in someones vocabulary. And why do you hate gay people? I have a few gay friends. I think it's wrong and I disagree with it completely, but that doesn't mean I hate the actual people. Hate what they are, don't hate them.
buDDee3 3 years ago
Thank you God, the Prop. 8 Pass, Thank you for hear my pray and protech all childrent all over unite state. GOD Bless America
tari2203 3 years ago
Doesn't god teach about love cause all you religious freaks seem to do is spread hate!!! I am sorry but how could denying someone their fudemental right to marry who they choose, be a good thing. You shoudl be ashamed of yourself. I am disgusted by views like yours. Maybe you should get over yourself for a minute and think of how your actions hurt other people.
wickedlady 3 years ago 2
its not weather your gay or not
its if you are mature enough to relize that its about equality.
yes on 8 lies to you to puersuade you to vote yes
and to the idiot below me, you don't become gay, you are or you are not
u just make yourself sound retarded
LeftoverMunchies 3 years ago 2
u mother fucker...Yes on 8.....its not a lie
i hate gay ppl..
lolloveboylol 3 years ago
I hope you have a boy and a girl as children. I hope they both end up gay.
FuzzMop 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this! A lot of people I know who normally don't mind same sex marriage have been swayed by that exaggeration about it being taught in schools, and I don't know what to tell them beyond the exact wording of prop 8. E-Day in Two days! Please vote no on 8!
CorinthB 3 years ago
itsdylanbetch: You call me ignorant bigot. 1) I haven't said anything hateful, so I'm not a bigot, and 2) I have pages of research on my Blogger website, prop8voterinfo, so I'm not ignorant on this issue either. You should practice what you preach.
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
die in a fire
KayosWONER 3 years ago
They need to really clearify what prop 8 is about. As for gay marriage, who really cares? Let them marry, ain't hurting you at all. If it's for education, then thats another story. Kids that age should not need to know about gay marriage. If gay marriage is somehow going to affect them, then thats the parents' responsibility. Not the schools.
Talent2008 3 years ago
remember when black people couldnt marry white people...it's time for a change.
dlss87 3 years ago 2
Amen to that.
I can't tolerate living in a country and being told who I am and I am not, who I can and cannot marry.
siddharthaananda 3 years ago
Exactly. All these groups try to use scare tactics to reach voters. It's ridiculous. This is an issue on rights, and equality, not schools and kids. they're trying to hit us where it hurts, and for some it's working.
VOTE NO ON PROP 8!
itsdylanbetch 3 years ago 2
it's crazy dont they notice how horrible this is? they might as well start sewing little pink stars on people.
dlss87 3 years ago
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aleksapovseksa 3 years ago
No worries! Thanks for clearing it up. I evidently take youtube comments too seriously :)
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
avalonjoyous, I'm afraid you are mistaken. There are a few versions of this video on youtube so maybe you are mixing them up. From your profile it seems like you support marriage equality, so I'm curious as to why you think I'd remove comments that reflect a similar view to mine. I try to leave all comments up, whether I agree with them or not. Please be more careful before smearing my profile and video.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
Vote YES on 8! It's best for society and children.
bebelove110 3 years ago
I'm amused to discover that the people voting YES on Prop 8 have been banning dissenting opinions whereas most of those voting NO are allowing others to say so. Check it out: watch?v=KFFwBokHVfo&feature=related It's VERY telling of the rather anti-American conservative mindset overtaking this country. Shame, we used to be a pretty decent democracy...
ShunGuan 3 years ago 2
Gay marriage was shoved down our throats against the will of the people. If 8 fails, what will stop the homosexual deviants from indoctrinating our children like they did in Massachusetts? YES on 8!!!
StopGayTyranny 3 years ago
The yes on 8 campaign recently sent letters to businesses that support equality in California, THREATENING to "Expose" these donors if they dont donate to the yes on 8 campaign and refrain from supporting the no on 8 campaign. IF LIES DONT WORK MAYBE THREATS AND BLACKMAIL WILL.
rob1746 3 years ago
I KNOW!
They are resorting to extortion now. Conservatives are evil, evil people sometimes.
VOTE NO ON 8
itsdylanbetch 3 years ago
Lies,Lies & more Lies --- vote NO - On 8 - let people who love get all the benfits of Normal marriages -- Insurance , Hospital Visitation rites - Burial Rights - Taxation Right -- Oh and don't forget the 50% Divorce rate of Normal Marriages, too. ;)Keep Hope Alive!!!
koolkitty1369 3 years ago
Children SHOULD be taught about gay marriage. In 2008, Lawrence King (a 15 year old boy) was killed by this classmate just because being gay.
But that not even the point. Prop 8 has nothing to do with stopping teaching gay marriage at school. They just use it as an excuse to get more vote
VOTE NO ON PROP 8
Ekin247 3 years ago
Shall we then change the definition of marriage so that I can marry my sister, my child, or a dog? 'Cause I really, really want to, and it violates my rights to tell me that I can't shack up with any of them, and call it 'marriage'.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
donleeharper 3 years ago
When I saw the look on that mom's face when the kid handed the book over, I thought "WHAT THE FUCK?!"
Honestly. There hasn't been a single reason to not legalize gay marriage that can't be disproved, or proved immoral
It's intolerant!
GuardianAngelHB 3 years ago
Prop 8 is a measure that will SEGREGATE
rob1746 3 years ago
VOTE NO on PROP 8
PROP 8 TAKES AWAY RIGHTS
1. Eliminates same-sex couples right to marry
2. Public employees excluded from long-term care insurance
3. Spouse of veteran can no longer collect all state benefits when veteran passes away
4. Spouses can no longer share property
rob1746 3 years ago 6
5. Joint tax returns banned
6. Transfer of assets over $11,000 no longer tax exempt
7. Can not change family name without court order
8. Parenthood of same-sex couples threatened if family moves out of California
9. After a spouse's death property and house values can be reassessed (meaning taxes can skyrocket)
rob1746 3 years ago 3
Everyone around the US thinks anyone living in Mass. is a uber liberal; They're not. About 40% are conservatives. Unfortunately
50-60% of the voters are liberals. There's something in the water in that state. We lived in the Boston MA area for 10 yrs & I couldn't take it anymore -- so glad to be living in Florida in a very conservative area where GOP voters rule. I hope CA voters do the right thing -- don't CONDONE immoral behavior by giving it credibility in calling it MARRIAGE!
aprillh 3 years ago
The liberals pushing for vote NO/Prop 8 amuse me. They'll scream/rant if there is even a HINT of Christianity, prayer, or pledging allegiance to the flag (as I did everyday as a child in the Midwest), yet they are OK with INDOCTRINATING kids at an early age to think that immoral living is just fine and dandy. There's a big difference between discriminating and condoning. Do your own thing in private, have "civil unions", but please don't call it marriage. That's deeply offesive to many of us!
aprillh 3 years ago
Not true...we are very much about 'each to his own.' It is the right-wing nuts that are trying to push their way into OUR lives by deciding that they can have something under the LAW (not within their homes or churches, but under the LAW) that no one else can have. It's SO simple. Under the Law, Person A should have all the rights that person B has. Period. Please don't vote discrimination into law. Vote no on 8.
robbjmc 3 years ago
Several of you are suggesting that Mass. has nothing to do with us. How do you figure? We are right now being presented with the exact same thing, in the exact same way. Did you not hear that activist judges in Connecticut last week overturned their state's gay marriage ban? Like aprillh says below, this is not about tolerance. It is about fascism. "YOU WILL BELIEVE IN HOMOSEXUALITY OR ELSE!!!"
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
It is about fascism: ONLY WE CAN HAVE FIRST-CLASS SITIZEN STATUS IN THE US! How can you stand there and say that it's fair to write into LAW what is so obviously discrimination? Under the Law, Person A should have the same rights as Person B. PERIOD!
robbjmc 3 years ago
To steal words from The Messiah Barack Obama,
"Words, just words!" I lived in Mass. and remember this ridiculous case. My husband grew up in Lexington MA. They are all nutjob liberals who won't be happy until they INDOCTRINATE EVERY CHILD TO THINK THEIR LIBERAL WAYS ARE THE ONLY WAY! Californian's: pls preserve marriage -- vote YES on Prop 3!!! Florida voters, vote YES on 2!!!
aprillh 3 years ago
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Correction -- vote YES on Prop 8!!!
aprillh 3 years ago
"1912" Blacks use the fountain to the left, Whites use the one to the right- "2008"Gays get civil unions Straights get marriage? HAVE WE NOT LEARNED OUR LESSON? SEPERATE BUT EQUAL DOES NOT EXIST "VOTE NO ON PROP 8"
JoeyBoya 3 years ago
Read "What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts" on MassResistance[dot]org and find out specific ways homosexuality has been force-fed to children in that state already. Remember: it was sold to that state as ONLY being about tolerance of gay marriage, just like it's being presented here in CA. The same groups who say it won't be put in schools in CA are the ones who advised the courts to PUT IT IN schools there. It was never the openly expressed intent, but it happened nevertheless.
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
"1912" Blacks use the fountain to the left, Whites use the one to the right- "2008"Gays get civil unions Straights get marriage? HAVE WE NOT LEARNED OUR LESSON? SEPERATE BUT EQUAL DOES NOT EXIST "VOTE NO ON PROP 8"
JoeyBoya 3 years ago
That's a ridiculous analogy. Gays have equal rights in every way. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are simply NOT THE SAME THING! "Separate and different" would be more honest.
YES ON 8 to keep the government out of our lives and churches!
YES ON 8 to protect children from being taught that unhealthy practices are acceptable!
YES ON 8 to stop activists from forcefully "socially engineering" us!
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
You are an ignorant bigot. This issue has nothing to do with children, so quit trying to use that card. This is about equality. But you prejudice people just can't seem to grasp that the government doesn't care about your religious beliefs. Church and state are separated for a reason.
VOTE NO ON 8
itsdylanbetch 3 years ago
"save the kids yes on 8" what exactly are you saving them from? by even suggesting that our children need to be saved from equality of rights shows the nature and intensity of the amount of ignorance that our country has.
wake up, this is a civil rights movement (just like the women's & black's rights movement).
kaydizzlee 3 years ago
According to scientific experts over the past 70+ years, gays are NOT "born that way!" Civil rights applies only to discrimination against things people have no control over (like skin color). Homosexuality is a choice! You do not have the right to force acceptance of your choices on other people! If you let that argument stand, then we can never put anyone in prison ever again, and we should be teaching prostitution and drug abuse in schools, also. Equality does not mean "anything goes."
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
Wow. You've been misinformed in other posts, Rod (or Nathalie) but this one puts forth a complete falsehood. "Scientic Papers"? "Homosecxuality is a choice"? Your papers must be FROM 70+ years ago. No self-respecting shrink has thought this for decades. And I can assure you, as someone who tried to fight what he felt for years (due to societal pressure) and who was born to strictly hetero parents and surrounded by hetero ideals, that I WAS born this way. And NO ONE will tell me who I can love.
robbjmc 3 years ago
You are right - the gay community has all the rights because currently GAY MARRAGE IS LEGAL AND HAS BEEN SINCE MAY - PROP 8 WILL TAKE THESE EQUAL RIGHTS AWAY. This issue IS NOT about Education, Children or Religion.
rob1746 3 years ago
What's dumb about that MA couple and their commercial is that it was the teacher's idea to read that book in the class. It wasn't part of a mandatory curricula! Also, it's a damn published children's book!
Loveeet, what do you mean give children a chance? and how does voting no give child predators a way in? couples are screened extensively before children can be adopted. IGNORANT!
fowunfive 3 years ago
Save innocent children from child predators..Vote yes on prop 8 so we may give children a chance...Children will be forced into homosexual homes and not be allowed to have a mom and a dad. Every child deserves a mommy and a daddy voting NO gives child predators a way in!
Vote yes on 8 Save the children
LOVEEET 3 years ago
Three times has this bigoted loser (LOVEEET) spammed my videos and youtube acoount with his lies. Prop 8 has NOTHING to do with children or schools. Don't fall for it -- he and the backers of the ads are lying to get Californians to write discrimination into law. "forced into homosexual homes"? You're claims aren't even remotely believable anymore...and frankly, neither is your Christianity.
robbjmc 3 years ago
YOU are the bigot against religion and heterosexuals. And you're a liar. What is going on in Mass. will happen here, too. About kids being "forced into homosexual homes" (ie, gay parents adopting), when courts are forced to ignore existing scientific evidence that gay relationships are unhealthy, they will be recognized as "normal" and allowed to have kids. NARTH has articles showing how kids in these homes are in increased danger for several things, including suicide. Go read the facts.
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
Rod. Calm down. Gays are ALREADY allowed to adopt kids and have been for many years. Prop 8 doesn't even discuss that. Prop 8 won't change that. The only thing prop 8 does is create a level of second-class-citizens under State Law. It's unfair and it's wrong. Vote No on Prop 8.
robbjmc 3 years ago
Dont' you think that children would rather be in a loving home and family, than be in an orphanage the rest of their childhood?
itsdylanbetch 3 years ago
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Save innocent children from child predators..Vote yes on prop 8 so we may give children a chance...Children will be forced into homosexual homes and not be allowed to have a mom and a dad. Every child deserves a mommy and a daddy voting NO gives child predators a way in!
Vote yes on 8 Save the children
LOVEEET 3 years ago
Seriously, LOVEEET, do you have to keep putting your lies and hate-mongering graffiti on my youtube account? I can take it down just as fast...People, THIS is the kind of person you are sharing your fear with if you vote yes on this discriminatory proposition. His -- and the ads' -- assertion that 8 has something to do with children is completely false.
robbjmc 3 years ago
False?
Read "What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts" on MassResistance[dot]org. Get the facts, people!
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
Massachusetts, Massachusetts...bla bla bla. The fact is that they have some poorly written laws in Massachusetts. We do not. There are already provisions written in California law that protect schools and churches. Don't fall for this B.S. -- it's simply a ruse to get you to vote discrimination into law. Vote NO on prop 8.
robbjmc 3 years ago
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Save innocent children from child predators..Vote yes on prop 8 so we may give children a chance...Children will be forced into homosexual homes and not be allowed to have a mom and a dad. Every child deserves a mommy and a daddy voting NO gives child predators a way in!
Vote yes on 8 Save the children
LOVEEET 3 years ago
"Oh yes, SaaaaAaaAaAave the children," he wails...again trying to distract from the real issue. Prop 8 has nothing to do with children, schools or tax exemption. Nothing. Do not be fooled by their overly dramatic rhetoric: Prop 8 has everything to do with taking away existing rights from tax-paying Californians. No matter how you feel about same-sex marriage, please don't write discrimination into our constitution! Vote NO on 8.
robbjmc 3 years ago
You have got to be kidding. This is ignorance at its finest moment.
rob1746 3 years ago
You have got to be kidding. This is ignorance at its finest.
Reply to: Save innocent children from child predators..Vote yes on prop 8 so we may give children a chance...Children will be forced into homosexual homes and not be allowed to have a mom and a dad. Every child deserves a mommy and a daddy voting NO gives child predators a way in!
Vote yes on 8 Save the children
rob1746 3 years ago
We call bigotry what it is.
jerrydoubleu 3 years ago
Lies Lies Lies...The superintendent of schools in my neighborhood is gay and has made it very clear that she will be sending home "diversity " packets to kids 1-5 grade these diversity packet will go over hating people who hate 2 mommys and 2 daddy's so you are full of crap! It;s already happening
Vote yes on 8 save the children
LOVEEET 3 years ago
"Oh yes, SaaaaAaaAaAave the children," they wail...again trying to distract from the real issue. Prop 8 has nothing to do with children, schools or tax exemption. Do not be fooled by their overly dramatic rhetoric: Prop 8 has everything to do with taking away existing rights from tax-paying Californians. No matter how you feel about same-sex marriage, please don't write discrimination into our constitution! Vote NO on 8.
robbjmc 3 years ago
I am so sick of the lies from the gay community..they already have all teh rights heterosexuals have(calif code 297.5f).I am so sick of them crying bigotry..well you know what "MARRIAGE" defines one man and one woman HANDS OFF...You cannot get married and I'll be damned if some gay teacher is going to tell my child it's ok to be gay...In my house it is not. if 8 isn't passed teachers have every right talk about gay marriage..see bill parker massachusets he was arrested when he got mad for that!
LOVEEET 3 years ago
save teh children from child predators vote yes on 8
LOVEEET 3 years ago
Way to confuse the issue AND be a blowhard in less than 10 words. Prop 8 does not protect children. Watch the video again...children are no more or less "protected" with 8 than they are without it.
robbjmc 3 years ago
This person (LOVEFEET), who tagged my youtube account with "no HOMOS allowed", is the kind of fascist you are all siding with on this issue when you vote Yes on 8. He has fallen for the hype and the lies. He has decided it's okay to write discrimination into the constitution rather than let the other EXISTING laws do their job. Please consider for yourself whether this kind of unfounded, aggrandized fear will make YOU vote for separate and UNEQUAL status for thousands of tax-paying Califonians.
robbjmc 3 years ago
and what makes being gay not okay? there are gay animals so it is natural for them. indicting that being gay is not an okay thing to be is just intolerant. i respect your opinions but remember that the united states is progressing and were going to move past this soon, no matter how it turns out. we came to the americas for religious freedom, if basing our laws on the bible is okay then lets burn the constitution. tolerance and equality for all NO on prop 8
charlyogrady 3 years ago 4
So...instead, of allowing this diversity packet to be considered by individual parents, you would want the kids of gay couples to continued to be bullied? This packet which would attempt to stop the bullying of these kids is seen as...evil by you? Gays have been able and will be able to adopt regardless of prop 8...please don't let the lies promoted by these ads and this scurilous hate-monger (he graffitied my youtube account with "no HOMOS allowed", remember) get to you. Please vote no on 8.
robbjmc 3 years ago
This wasn't being taught to kids because of bullying. Don't try to blame gay activism on Christians. Plus, no one's bad behavior should distract you from the facts. Mormons trying to attend religious services were attacked last Friday. Should that make people vote yes? No! Only the facts should! The Vote YES ad is actually telling the truth. Mass. laws allowed parental opt-out, too, until the courts overturned them. It will be the same here in CA.
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
"What you failed to mention is the what is next on the Gay agenda. Homosexuals want to FORCE churches to marry them, which if they don't, the church would lose its tax exemption. Your video does not mention this and therefore the points you make have no merit. IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH EDUCATION, RELIGION, AND CHILDREN. Don't try blowing smoke in my face and tell me its perfume."
What a great comment. SO I repeat it.
mormonanswerman 3 years ago
I liked this response, so I'll do some repeating too...
"No one can force clergy to marry ANYONE against their doctrine. If they could, straight couples would have been doing it for years, just to get their picture taken with Billy Graham presiding, or divorced atheists just to gain access into St Patrick's Cathedral."
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
Under that same argument I can sue a Jewish Synagogue for not believing that Jesus is God. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" You should read our constitution sometime. This is not a theocracy and our government can't force religions to change their belief system. It is what makes America great. Equality!
tallworm 3 years ago
This is made up propaganda with no factual basis. PROP 8 is about SEGREGATION -Not kids, religion or education -
rob1746 3 years ago
Read "What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts" on MasResistance[dot]org and you will see that it actually IS true. They told Mass. it was only about tolerance there, too, but now teachers can talk to 8th-graders about lesbians using sex toys to have vaginal intercourse. Does that sound right to you? Does that have anything to do with anything kids might need to know about gay marriage? Read the article, and wise up.
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
Once again, read "What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts" on MassResistance[dot]org. This ad is completely true.
rodandnathalie 3 years ago
The facts are that California ALREADY has provisions that allow parents to choose the school curriculum. Anything that happens in Massachusetts...stays in Massachusetts. Don't fall for this subterfuge. Don't vote for discrimination. NO ON 8!
robbjmc 3 years ago
robbjmc:
It is interesting what you call facts about "provisions that allow parents to choose..."
Who is to say the supreme court wont overrule this. You and I both know, any law or amendment can be overruled, or subject to change.
Provisions? What provisions were set when the Supreme Court Vetoed what California already voted on.
That was the right of the people to vote, and they voted, and obviously the rights were denounced, and overturned.
Provisions, this is a laugh?
flyfisherX 3 years ago
Did you watch this video for the information on the provisions specifically set aside by the court? I am confused as to why you are asking -- it's right in the video you are posting under. As for schools and parents, you can project your fear into the future about something or other happening...but same-sex marriage is legal right NOW and it hasn't happened. Not in the least! Furthermore, the solution is NOT to write discrimination into our constitution. There ARE other provisions. Vote NO ON 8!
robbjmc 3 years ago
robbjmc:
Please read my whole email, especially the part where I said, "Who is to say the supreme court wont overrule this. You and I both know, any law or amendment can be overruled, or subject to change."
Any provision now can be changed in the future, as mentioned already the "right" as you like to call it, was already decided by a vote of 61%.
Why is California voting again, over the same issue? Simple, the supreme court abolished the will of the people. Sad but true. YesProp8.
flyfisherX 3 years ago
I read the whole posting. And yes, let's ask why the people are voting again...when this is clearly an issue of minority rights and constitutionality. IF prop 8 passes, it will be struck down -- it is unconstitutional to VOTE that the rights granted to person A will not be given to person B. So do the right thing and end this: VOTE NO on PROP 8.
robbjmc 3 years ago 2
Too bad so many parents will allow the indoctrination of their children because it is too much of a hassle to go against schools that push wrong values. Yes they have the right to object, but most won't. Once they get marriage redefined, they will push for more. Don't believe the lies that this is about love or even marriage. It is about pushing an agenda any way they can and punishing anyone that doesn't agree with them.
Yes on 8 to protect marriage and society.
drkhyron 3 years ago
The lies are working and you are proof. PEOPLE- THERE ARE NO GAY AGENDAS. There is no such thing as Gay Recruiters. THIS PROPOSITION IS NOT ABOUT GAY RIGHTS - IT IS ABOUT TAKING AWAY RIGHTS OF GAY PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY EXIST!
rob1746 3 years ago
Look up camarriage_joint_20080609.pdf
Yeah, no agenda there.
drkhyron 3 years ago
haha... thanks for posting that. Perhaps it's better to say that there's no 'sinister gay agenda' (one where gays want to recruit children or destroy religion and marriage). There are certainly LGBT advocacy organizations working on full equality for LGBT Americans... and, like any advocacy group, they want to be strategic. The document you referenced is an open statement by a series of LGBT advocacy groups on how to expand marriage equality to all of the United States.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
You are welcome for the document. Based on this from Merriam-Webster: "sinister suggests a general or vague feeling of fear or apprehension on the part of the observer."
So not sinister to you and many others, but sinister to me and many others. All of this boils down to different points of view. Express your opinion and vote as you wish, I shall do the same.
drkhyron 3 years ago
Well said. I'm just hoping that people become less fearful and apprehensive about same-sex couples... especially since all mainstream research shows them to be just fine and dandy. As for Judeo-Christian religious objections, I can only hope that people take a contextual look at the Bible in assessing homosexuality... and let modern research complement their understanding.
As for Prop 8, it eliminates the right for same-sex couples to a CIVIL marriage. It does not affect schools nor churches.
BruinUnderground 3 years ago
Stupid- Fighting for FREEDOM AND EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL is an Agenda??????????
rob1746 3 years ago
For All? Do you include a polygamist's right to marry multiple people or a pedophile's right to marry a child? OR do you limit the right to marry only slightly less than I would?
drkhyron 3 years ago
Virtually every major paper in California is against Prop 8. The L.A. Times says it is "a drastic step to strip people of rights." La Opinión called Prop 8 "an unnecessary initiative". The San Diego Union Tribune wrote that Prop 8 "offends many Californians' sense of fairness."
rob1746 3 years ago 3