Ray may come off the best in this debacle (though wife stealing isn't nice, unless you're Benoit - at least according to his dumbfuck marks). He shakes hands with Williams, who did a not nice thing by taking money to hurt someone who wasn't expecting it in an environment where trust and cooperation is so important. Abrams was a scummy cokehead who shot himself during a cocaine frenzy. Human filth, basically.
@Suriel1981 The difference is that stiff/shoot wrestling in Japan is still coreographed so it's still going to look faker than a few legit kicks and punches in this match. Go watch a real fight video on YouTube and it will look a lot different than a stiff AJPW match.
this is LEGEN wait for it Dary! I just gained so much respect for DDSW. You see Herb Abrams come up and say something to Steve Ray right after Williams fucking absolutely brutalized his ass with stiff shots, the ring post backbraker, and whatever catch-dude-while-jumping-and-dump-him-on-his-fucking-head spot he did, and Ray took a swing at him. Classic.
The reason this went down the way it did was Ray was stickin' it to Abrams' wife and Abrams knew about it so he slipped Dr Death an extra $500 or something to work stiff.
@MarvelousMatt No offense, but no way it was a shoot because if Dr. Death was shooting he'd have torn the guy's head off in seconds. He actually could wrestle at a high level plus he was about 50 pounds heavier than that other clown.
Definitely looks like Ray stiffed the Doc with those kicks at about 3:20. And then, he got his receipt. Several times. That running backbreaker into the ringpost looked like it hurt, and then Doc just dumped him like a sack of shit.
Unfortunately(or maybe fortunately) I only got 2 years of UWF-lived in Louisiana for 2 years. But yeah...this IS a long way from the era I got to see UWF 85-87. Dr Death used to be a gnarly f*cker!
I remember watching this match as a kid. This was why my brother explained kayfabe to me. Ray slept with Herb Abraham's wife(legit) and offered Williams money (legit) to hurt Ray. There just aren't badasses like Williams anymore.
@bwaam Yes that is how a badass is defined. "Take money to sucker punch a guy when he is least expecting it in a situation where his career is over if he fights back." So tough...
@AbsoluteJake troll fuck off, it was 2 different thoughts. the first one was the story behind the video, the second was the fact that the man was a bad ass. not because he took money to pound this poor loser, but because he could legitimately beat the crap out of most people
I was at that show.Herb came out in the hallway and was yelling at him about money and don't get any blood on my wife.He was pissed at him more about the money.Herb was a coke addict.
I heard a story that Kevin Von Erich also once tried to shoot on Dr. Death but when Williams shot back & roughed him up Kevin said "ok, lets go back to working" LOL
I have heard about this match too and after watching it it really does not seem like much of a shoot to me. It looked more like Doc just worked stiff, which he usually did, and that Rey was plain sloppy from being so green and as a result they had several potatoes & miscues & tempers migh have flared. When Rey did that jump off the top rope onto Doc on the floor he really overshot him and landed hard.
What!? Have you even watched wrestling in the last 15 years? Wrestling in the '80s & '90s were much more "kid-friendly" then wrestling is today. My ex-wife yells at me all the time for letting our kids watch wrestling today because of the violence, swearing & sexual references.
Yes, he is actually from my home state. I would say that Cena is more aimed at young adults in their 20s who identify themselves w/ Hip-Hop culture, but even still your going to condem all of modern wrestling just for 1 guy? U ever hear of Triple H, Randy Orton, Vladimir Koslov, & JBL??
Well, near the beginning of the match when Steve Ray had his run of moves you can see him start to take a few liberties with some stiff kicks and when he knocked him out of the ring. Steve Williams taught him a lesson lol, Steve Ray was humbled after the match that's why he offered his hand at the end.
It was also a boxing match with goofy takedown rules.He basically got caught with a lucky left from a southpaw then fell badly on his knee injuring it
I just watched that fight and it looks like Dr. Death may have injured his leg in the takedown that occurred just before he was knocked out. Either way, you are right that the rules were goofy.
This wasn't a shoot. There was nothing out of the ordinary that happened here other than Steve Williams working stiff which is how he's always worked
3) I don't see Doc breaking a guys nose for 100 bucks...he may have done Ray's for free!
Ray could not work or sell. The only thing he had was a good look for the early 90s' and some charisma. But that was all he brought to the table. Everything he did in this match sucked. Not ONE thing looked good.
Dr. Death may actually be able to fight, but who cares. That's not what pro wrestling's about, it's a show. All the people who wonder why guys like him and Barry Windham never made it as superstars in America need to shove it up their ass and watch UFC. WWE, give me some wrestlers who aren't just boring clones who wrestle with their given names.
well, I watch UFC and WWE. I'm just saying wrestling needs to be about the theatrics and entertainment, and I'm tired of this era of boring ass wrestlers. Steve Williams is alright, but there are always people saying how he should have been put over as a champ. He's a good guy to have on the roster, it's just post-Stone Cold, I got sick of all these bad ass redneck types who just fight. Lots of people get pissy about wrestlers with gimmicks, when we're all watching fake wrestling. Have fun.
I read on the internet that Steve Ray owed Herb Abrams money and he was fooling around with Herb's wife. So Herb paid Steve Williams an extra $100 to rough Steve Ray up and break his nose.
This isn't what I thought it would be after reading about it a while back. I guess WSilliams roughed him up a bit and gave him some shoot kicks to the nose.
LOL at Abrams running in and shoot taunting him. Oh how I wish I knew what he said.
I loved when steve williams got knocked out in the wwf brawl for all!!
Watching him do mma was pathetic...never been a fan and never believed the hype about him.
dooob69 2 months ago
Ray may come off the best in this debacle (though wife stealing isn't nice, unless you're Benoit - at least according to his dumbfuck marks). He shakes hands with Williams, who did a not nice thing by taking money to hurt someone who wasn't expecting it in an environment where trust and cooperation is so important. Abrams was a scummy cokehead who shot himself during a cocaine frenzy. Human filth, basically.
peterp21 2 months ago
At least Ray was a professional towards Williams, despite the shoot, offering to shake his hand.
DefLeppardVanHalen 3 months ago
That wasn't very brutal. Anymore footage of Herb flying off the rails?
cocksafari 4 months ago
Im sure Steve Ray had a good laugh when he saw Steve Williams attempt at MMA, it was embarassing.
MrProud1983 8 months ago
Jesus the guy calling the match is awful. What was that pin count? "3, 2... Yeah".
killustrator 9 months ago 4
The kick at 6:35 looks like the real one i'd say?
Heroyouhadhatedx 9 months ago
craced
Jussi453 9 months ago
So a lot of the heavier guy's attacks seem either very stiff or legit. I'd hate to be the guy that pissed off Herb.
TheJimmyHarrison 9 months ago
I suspect the nose break is in 6:30 - 6:35, the series of kicks to Ray's face
bastlake 9 months ago 4
Where does he break his nose?
razorsuper 9 months ago
When does he break his nose?
MagikalKraker 9 months ago 2
R.I.P. "Dr. Death"
rjflesher 10 months ago
Nice presentation, I like the authenticity.
7Boogiewoogie 1 year ago
was not a shoot
devinlane256 1 year ago
@devinlane256 It wasn't a shoot in the strictest term of it, Williams just stiffed him like mad is all.
CombatSportFan 11 months ago
that wasa good match even though they were kinda shooting on each other.. it ended up looking good without getting to sloppy for tv
kv01010 1 year ago
This is a tremendous slap in the face to Rick Vaughn.
Sluntrox 1 year ago
I can't believe people think this is a shoot. Compared to his Japanese matches, Dr Death was pretty easy-going in this!
Suriel1981 1 year ago
@Suriel1981 The difference is that stiff/shoot wrestling in Japan is still coreographed so it's still going to look faker than a few legit kicks and punches in this match. Go watch a real fight video on YouTube and it will look a lot different than a stiff AJPW match.
peterp21 2 months ago
Bruno on commentary.
mhc12k 1 year ago
hey death karmas a bitch aint it?? oh yea you're dead
MSVU2009 1 year ago
@MSVU2009 Karma may be that but it gets us all one day.Itll get you too.
docthemetalfreak 1 year ago
It looked stiff as hell but not a shoot
mhlafors 1 year ago
@mhlafors People misuse the word "shoot" all the time. This was a work that got stiff, nothing more.
meekrob 1 year ago 2
@meekrob
prove it.
Nordfelt 1 year ago
funny as hell outside of this fed and global no one really ever heard of steve ray lmao
MRDXKLIQ101 2 years ago
RIP !!!!!!!
bigbootydaddy777777 2 years ago
Steve Ray Looks Like He'd Be Tha Closet Thing To THE RAM!!!
StanKingston420 2 years ago
this is LEGEN wait for it Dary! I just gained so much respect for DDSW. You see Herb Abrams come up and say something to Steve Ray right after Williams fucking absolutely brutalized his ass with stiff shots, the ring post backbraker, and whatever catch-dude-while-jumping-and-dump-him-on-his-fucking-head spot he did, and Ray took a swing at him. Classic.
wichititty 2 years ago
The reason this went down the way it did was Ray was stickin' it to Abrams' wife and Abrams knew about it so he slipped Dr Death an extra $500 or something to work stiff.
bwaam 2 years ago 3
This was a shoot. They both tried to work it, but yeah there were several definite shoot shots in there.
MarvelousMatt 2 years ago
@MarvelousMatt No offense, but no way it was a shoot because if Dr. Death was shooting he'd have torn the guy's head off in seconds. He actually could wrestle at a high level plus he was about 50 pounds heavier than that other clown.
altohart 2 years ago 2
that ring sux ass
xcfdiablo 2 years ago
Definitely looks like Ray stiffed the Doc with those kicks at about 3:20. And then, he got his receipt. Several times. That running backbreaker into the ringpost looked like it hurt, and then Doc just dumped him like a sack of shit.
nimrodfalcon 2 years ago
when does the shootery kick in? I'm only seeing a regular pro wrestling match so far.
Fernt 2 years ago
bad wrestling show but far far away from the old bill watts uwf back in 1987 - but steve williams is one of the best workers of all time !
ProCorona 2 years ago 2
Unfortunately(or maybe fortunately) I only got 2 years of UWF-lived in Louisiana for 2 years. But yeah...this IS a long way from the era I got to see UWF 85-87. Dr Death used to be a gnarly f*cker!
moshkobra 2 years ago
I remember watching this match as a kid. This was why my brother explained kayfabe to me. Ray slept with Herb Abraham's wife(legit) and offered Williams money (legit) to hurt Ray. There just aren't badasses like Williams anymore.
bwaam 2 years ago 12
@bwaam Yes that is how a badass is defined. "Take money to sucker punch a guy when he is least expecting it in a situation where his career is over if he fights back." So tough...
AbsoluteJake 9 months ago 7
@AbsoluteJake so true. well put.
WillT23 9 months ago
@AbsoluteJake troll fuck off, it was 2 different thoughts. the first one was the story behind the video, the second was the fact that the man was a bad ass. not because he took money to pound this poor loser, but because he could legitimately beat the crap out of most people
bwaam 9 months ago
Why one of the commentators sounds like Kevin Nash? lol
PavelRave 2 years ago
I believe you are hearing Bruno Sammartino actually ^_^
lucheloco420 2 years ago
Steve Ray = Randy the Ram
zackvanhalen 2 years ago
Ha Nice reference
ECOOL76 2 years ago
I was at that show.Herb came out in the hallway and was yelling at him about money and don't get any blood on my wife.He was pissed at him more about the money.Herb was a coke addict.
boostimalaka1 2 years ago 13
wwe generation take notes
rsvlara 2 years ago
Lol. I'd never agree to shoot against Dr. Death or any other old school non filtered Marlboro Reds smoking wrestler lol.
Jarsfan1997 3 years ago
I heard a story that Kevin Von Erich also once tried to shoot on Dr. Death but when Williams shot back & roughed him up Kevin said "ok, lets go back to working" LOL
Lfdjake91 3 years ago
I have heard about this match too and after watching it it really does not seem like much of a shoot to me. It looked more like Doc just worked stiff, which he usually did, and that Rey was plain sloppy from being so green and as a result they had several potatoes & miscues & tempers migh have flared. When Rey did that jump off the top rope onto Doc on the floor he really overshot him and landed hard.
Lfdjake91 3 years ago 2
agreed. this is a a stiff match with a couple of botchamania spots but far from a shoot
bgyujn3000 2 years ago
wow...interesting video when you know the rumored backstory behind it. I enjoyed watching the old UWF episodes on espn classic last year.
bkstyle82 3 years ago
Classic.Nothing like today bullshit wrestling.
H83tr3d 3 years ago
Classic? Are you kidding me!? Abrams' UWF sucked! One of the worst booked promotions ever. It can't even hold a candle to Attitude Era WWF.
Lfdjake91 3 years ago
At least then it was about real wrestling then today's watered down "kid friendly" bullshit!
H83tr3d 3 years ago
What!? Have you even watched wrestling in the last 15 years? Wrestling in the '80s & '90s were much more "kid-friendly" then wrestling is today. My ex-wife yells at me all the time for letting our kids watch wrestling today because of the violence, swearing & sexual references.
Lfdjake91 3 years ago
Ever heard of a John Cena , mister?
H83tr3d 3 years ago
Yes, he is actually from my home state. I would say that Cena is more aimed at young adults in their 20s who identify themselves w/ Hip-Hop culture, but even still your going to condem all of modern wrestling just for 1 guy? U ever hear of Triple H, Randy Orton, Vladimir Koslov, & JBL??
Lfdjake91 3 years ago
I think you misspelled "condom"
slingy 2 years ago
Yea UWF was terrible, I remember it winning awards for the worst promotion ever, old school doesn't necessarily mean good.
Aggie1985 2 years ago
Is that one half of the former WWE tag team Well Dunn?
HebrewStyle 3 years ago
No. that's Steve Dunn. This is Dr. Death Steve Williams.
SeanOBriain 3 years ago
No. I meant Steve Ray.
HebrewStyle 3 years ago
Oh, ok.. Sorry :) Not sure tbh.
SeanOBriain 3 years ago
Steve Ray definetly kicked him a little stiff, and when Dr. Death goes to the amatuer shit, that's when school begins for Steve.
flushdraw78 3 years ago
Well, near the beginning of the match when Steve Ray had his run of moves you can see him start to take a few liberties with some stiff kicks and when he knocked him out of the ring. Steve Williams taught him a lesson lol, Steve Ray was humbled after the match that's why he offered his hand at the end.
bradleykerr 3 years ago 4
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man what a huge crowd, i watch this every time it's on to laugh about the arena, i mean hotel or school gym
wwefan9909 3 years ago
everybody has to start somewhere
EEStelt 3 years ago 3
Spoken like a true WWE fan, and no ... that's not a good thing.
harlemfatso 3 years ago 4
Steve Williams got his face beat in by Bart Gunn during the WWF Brawl 4 All back in 1998. Bye bye reputation.
TheJaredJammer 3 years ago
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U fucking ignorant mark, the B4A was a work. If u think it was real u are clearly retarded.
trendsetter74 3 years ago
Not really a fair comparison at all. Williams was a shooter & a legit tough guy, but Bart Gunn was several years younger & much quicker then Doc was.
Lfdjake91 3 years ago
It was also a boxing match with goofy takedown rules.He basically got caught with a lucky left from a southpaw then fell badly on his knee injuring it
TrollCapAmerica 3 years ago
I just watched that fight and it looks like Dr. Death may have injured his leg in the takedown that occurred just before he was knocked out. Either way, you are right that the rules were goofy.
thenoblegeek 2 years ago
This wasn't a shoot. There was nothing out of the ordinary that happened here other than Steve Williams working stiff which is how he's always worked
AlbanianMan 3 years ago
Extremely true, Doc was always stiff as all fuck.
BlackLabelEric 3 years ago 3
Few things wrong with this story:
1) A worker owed a promoter money?
2) Steve Ray slept with a promoters wife? lol
3) I don't see Doc breaking a guys nose for 100 bucks...he may have done Ray's for free!
Ray could not work or sell. The only thing he had was a good look for the early 90s' and some charisma. But that was all he brought to the table. Everything he did in this match sucked. Not ONE thing looked good.
traditionalwrestling 3 years ago 3
Hello friend that comment about "could ot work or sell. The only thing he had was a good look and some charisma" describe 90% of the WWE wrestlers.
Bloodsport1 3 years ago 3
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only fags would shoot, unprofessional
bizmcbizzy 3 years ago
Dr. Death may actually be able to fight, but who cares. That's not what pro wrestling's about, it's a show. All the people who wonder why guys like him and Barry Windham never made it as superstars in America need to shove it up their ass and watch UFC. WWE, give me some wrestlers who aren't just boring clones who wrestle with their given names.
MCOneMan 3 years ago
What does enjoying how awesome Steve Williams is have to do with UFC?
DingusStudley 3 years ago
well, I watch UFC and WWE. I'm just saying wrestling needs to be about the theatrics and entertainment, and I'm tired of this era of boring ass wrestlers. Steve Williams is alright, but there are always people saying how he should have been put over as a champ. He's a good guy to have on the roster, it's just post-Stone Cold, I got sick of all these bad ass redneck types who just fight. Lots of people get pissy about wrestlers with gimmicks, when we're all watching fake wrestling. Have fun.
MCOneMan 3 years ago
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williams is a pussy
bizmcbizzy 3 years ago
he would fuck u up!
trendsetter74 3 years ago
Theres a lot of guys I wouldnt want shooting on me but in all honesty Dr. Death would probably be at the top of that list lol.
soldiergirlpoppen 3 years ago
I love the UWF,i have dvd´s from the good old days,this match too
BloodRedEnigma 3 years ago
lol
y2jbrock 3 years ago
I read on the internet that Steve Ray owed Herb Abrams money and he was fooling around with Herb's wife. So Herb paid Steve Williams an extra $100 to rough Steve Ray up and break his nose.
robhex 3 years ago
nothing surprises me in pro wrestling anymore!
bloggo1 3 years ago
I heard that too, but I heard it was for more than $100.
satyran 3 years ago
well if u read it on the internet it must be true. lmfao
trendsetter74 3 years ago
bring back the fury hour on espn classic
PhilM662 3 years ago 2
Why would he shake his hand afterwards?
WCWite 3 years ago 9
It was probably a "I don't know what the hell that was about, but I still respect you" gesture. Very professional on Ray's part.
SaveHolmes 3 years ago 11
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he was a pussy, he should have kicked the fuck outta him, i would've
bizmcbizzy 3 years ago
would you really? >.>
Deathclipse 3 years ago 4
@SaveHolmes oh he knew what he did. Dont stiff someone like Dr Death & dont expect a receipt
WickedNemesisEnoch 7 months ago
This isn't what I thought it would be after reading about it a while back. I guess WSilliams roughed him up a bit and gave him some shoot kicks to the nose.
LOL at Abrams running in and shoot taunting him. Oh how I wish I knew what he said.
cja2k8 3 years ago
Battle of the Steves!
pyoobez 3 years ago