I'm sorry but i just don't understand how someone could stand there and say "you are not allowed to love this man" just because you are gay. when you think about, you really shouldn't care what they do because if your right, the gays will burn in hell when they die, so shouldn't they at least be able to enjoy their time on earth?
"I'm sorry but i just don't understand how someone could stand there and say "you are not allowed to love this man" just because you are gay."
Nobody said that. Loving men and homosexual intercourse are two different things. An attraction to someone or something doesn't necessarily make it right to act on those attractions. And Jesus died on the cross because he cared about saving us from hell, so when you say we shouldn't care, that couldn't be farther from the truth.
@Tonloc1986 but the bible also says that looking upon a woman with lust in your heart is equivalent to having already committed adultery with her, so wouldn't looking upon a MAN with those same thoughts damn you just as sufficiently as sleeping with them?
God cannot commit murder because all life belongs to him. murder is taking a life that DOES NOT belong to you. This has nothing to do with him being all powerfull.
not only that Krazie but it's sin that takes a life those who don't believe are condemned already (bound by sin and death)
Wow, it's been a while since we came across this disturbed creature (Jzemptv).
BTW, Lev 20:13 is a law that Society SHOULD carry out. And it was a law that the early United States Territories DID carry out.
That was, back when America was blessed and thriving.
Now look at us. A disgusting person pretending to be a girl is making videos as he blasphemies Christ, and people "tolerate" it as their nation is not far from collapse.
Actually no, you're not my focal point in life with hundreds of other people to argue both here and other sites I forgot about you and didn't even see the email. I get to you when I get to you. Your homies screwed up your right to post on this video freely by constantly using profanity, calling me nigger, etc. So thank your atheist/homosexual cronies for making me have to set approval, it initially was open.
You do realize ZJ makes many valid points in many of her videos. I dont understand why you didnt reply to "the 6 moral breakers of Christianity". is it because you know you have no argument and therefore have to choose a different video, and only play half of it? and you do realize, because of humans who evolved and started playing with science you can use that computer to try and convince us in something that is obviously not there hence the reason we're atheist? least we dont murder children.
@gothicage12 So your point is sice I didn't keep shootig down his videos I can't? ROFL what terrible logic. This one was forwarded to me and i shot it down. I'm sure there are plenty more I can shoot down but I've gone after many people he's not the only person to refute in the universe.
People of multiple beliefs played/play with science includig Christians. Furthermore it's not logical to conclude something is not there when you can't explain the origins of all life yourself
@gothicage12 Lastly God cannot commit murder, all life belongs to him he can do with it what he wants. Humans commit murder when acting on there free will to take a life that doesn't belong to them
@Krazie316 if god CANNOT commit murder then he is not all powerful. personally speaking i would have thought that when those kids insulted elisha calling him bald & he cursed them in the name of god & god sent two female bears to kill 42 kids, that could be considered murder. do you mean he can't commit murder himself & therefore has to get the bears to do it for him? like a hitman situation maybe? (ref: 2 Kings 2:23-25)
@aidorrocks I facepalmed. God cannot commit murder because all life belongs to him. murder is taking a life that DOES NOT belong to you. This has nothing to do with him being all powerfull.
@BeauG92 You sound as uptight as this THING in this video. The moral aspect of the old test. laws are still the same. what was evil and abominable to God is still today.
@BeauG92 Actually no he didn't I had to make a 2 part video in response to that to shoot down all the fallacies in that rant. you're just a loser follower though
ZJemptv knows not what he does. He is a slave to the great tempter, the great accuser, the king of all liars, and the destroyer of men. The key to this time is in the tempter. ZJemptv is simply trying to twist the Word of God in an attempt to get you to test the LORD, just as Satan did to Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane.
Thank you for some of the verses you offered in your very thorough rebuttal. Great job!
Athiests are hard to get to. If they are proven wrong and they know it, they deny more to what you say to them, they will also make up uncorrect observations and theory's.
Quote the bible until you're blue in the face, it isn't relevant. Until something is proven, nothing taken from it can be considered valid. And even if it is valid, it's probably one of the worst sources to obtain a moral code. Genocide, infanticide, patricide, matricide, etc. along with widespread torture and rape, all condoned by a supposedly loving God. Preaching love and then committing the opposite? Hypocrisy 101 right there, good job.
@Krazie316 Here's the quotes for rape. Judges 21:10-24 Numbers 31:7-18 Deuteronomy 20:10-14 2 Samuel 12:11-14 Deuteronomy 21:10-14 Judges 5:30 Exodus 21:7-11 Zechariah 14:1-2. And here's the ones for torture. Proverbs 20:3 Proverbs 18:6 Deuteronomy 25:2 Proverbs 23: 13-14 Matthew 18:34 Revelation 9: 5-6, and of course the entire book of Job, and hell, the big one. I also noticed that you didn't deny the other points. So you still think that murder in your God's name is moral? Sickening.
@Sean1Sullivan I don't have time to type out an entire debunking of the versus you listed therefore this entire blog destroys every last claim of rape: atheismisdead.blogspot. com/2009/04/atheism-bible-rape-evilbiblecom-and-dan. html
Not to mention my video destroying the Deuteronomy 22:28 rape case which also wasn't rape /watch?v=98ieb3xN3O0
Deuteronomy 25:2 punishment for breaking a law not torture
Proverbs 23: 13-14 punishment, not torture, same as a whooping
Matthew 18:34 why is lord lower case When all references to Christ were either "Lord" or "LORD" why does it say "his lord" "the lord of that servant"...figure it out
Revelation 9: 5-6 is a prophecy of what will happen NOT by God's hands or his followers, but by the wicked followers of Satan
@Sean1Sullivan As for anything involving the lake of fire, you're right about that one sinners will spend an eternity in the lake of fire in hell.
However, God cammot commit murder "taking a life that doesn not belong to you" as all life belongs to God. technically since that is the case it is still just for him to cast sinners into the lake of fire for eternity.
It's your choice to agree or not, but I'm not the maker of myself and don't make the rules.
@Sean1Sullivan Rom 12:19 "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." " Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."
@SoniClub WAHH go cry to mommy because the ratings aren't enabled wah wah wah. ROFL ypu people crack me up with your crying about ratings. You have NO REBUTTALS and resort to crying about ratings grow up. ratings show popularity, not gruth. And if Christians actually spent the time to rate and spent all day on youtube like you kats with no life, we'd have higher ratings than you guys in the first place.
@Krazie316 Lol @ "Most Christians don't even rate videos." Really? "And our God who askth to not rate the videos on YouTube." I don't remember that being in the bible. And you're making a horrible stereotype saying "And if Christians actually spent the time to rate and spent all day on youtube like you kats with no life..." Who says all Christians "have a life?" I have tons of christian friends who like to no life on media. What you say is just senseless.
@Krazie316 The internet is the unofficial homeland of atheism lol. Its for the most part considered bad socially, so most prefer the internet where no one knows them. Even the ones who post videos, there friends are likely to never see it in the first place just random people lol
@Krazie316 I'm afraid I can't go crying to "mommy" because I don't have one. So thanks for that.
In fact, I have a lot of arguments against you using your religion to fuel your pointless hate for others and gays such as myself. But I know you're just gonna throw them back in my face with some bible quotation. (which, i'd like to add, doesn't count as an argument. You can't quote a book from 2000 years ago and act like it means anything who don't believe in it)
@SoniClub Let me get this straight, you have a lot of arguments against the video yet you go on to hate for homosexuals where I NEVER promoted or even remotely showed hate. You're a mindless troll. Anything that stands against what you believe is automatically considered hate, grow up and learn the difference between disagreement and hate.
Last time, rebuttal against this vid, or kick rocks
it doesn't matter what version/translation of the bible you use, it makes no sense from the very 1st page. it's full of bronze age views & laws that have no place today.
@aidorrocks Actually it DOES matter what translation because some are flat out wrong and have no place in ANY time in society. Others are mis-represented by atheist who try to make the bible seem a way it's not.
i've read enopugh of the kjv to realise that it's full of holes. like i say they don't make any sense - any of them. again, i'll ask you how do you know ANY of them are correct and how can anyone say they should be followed & not outright dismissed?
@aidorrocks It has no holes, funny how you don't point any out. Again the video explains it best. if you can't figure it out based off all that evidence you can't be helped
@Krazie316 your link does not say why ANY bible should be believed, my problems with the bible? here's a few. why does an all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent god need 6 days to create the earth/universe? why couldn't he do it instantly? if he created day & night on the 4th day how could there have been days 1-3 if they weren't created yet? why did this all powerful god need to rest on the 7th day? why did he need dirt to create adam & 1 of his ribs to create eve?
@aidorrocks Yeah the link DOES say why the King James bible should be believed. The only way to come to your comclusion is to have not clicked the link at all, lol.
I'm not a young earth creationist, I'm an old earth creationist (gap theory, although not really a theory). Therefore this question isn't valid to me in it's current form.
Your next point is not a point at all, day and night was not created on the fourth day (read verses 3-5)....
@Krazie316 i did watch the whole video. it may say why kvj is "more accurate" than the others, but doesn't give a reason why anyone should believe it's true
@aidorrocks I facepalmed again...The video explains why the KJV is a real bible and is an accurate (not just more accurate) bible from Hebrew, Greek, and Armaic
@aidorrocks Your first point (although invalid in current form) and 3rd point center around the unknown and irrelevant. Who cares why God rested (which you're taking as a literal. The bible is full if figuratives as well. The Hebrew word for this 7673>וַיִּשְׁבֹּת֙>shabath: to cease, desist, rest). Therefore who said he was literally resting like just chillin and tired? It means he stopped on the 7th day....
@aidorrocks I don't know why he used dirt to create Adam or use one of his ribs to form Eve. I wasn't there when it happened nor is it relevant to me...it's just something you wanna know. Interestingly enough I often wonder if Adam and Eve even had belly buttons because they were not born, but I still don't know.....
@Krazie316 also: in my kjv bible it says "and god said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." tell me, who is the "us" & "our" in this passage. all this from kjv genisis chapter 1. i look forward to your answers.
@aidorrocks I get the repetitive problem here, you're trying to be legalistic with everything that is written...again there are figuratives and literals. grab a concordance and read along with it.
The passage of time does not make actions any less bad. Also, there is no suitable explanation why sin could not of been forgiven before the New Testament.
@Gordaton There is a suitable explanation because it was ORIGINAL (Adam and Eve's) sin that caused it. No forgiveness meaning nobody could go to heaven till Christ came along as a perfect eternal sacrifice.
It's up to you to believe/accept it or not. I'm not here to force anyone just explain what is written to the best of my abilities
@Krazie316 If it is that, then that would mean God is not just. Reason why is the punishment being spread to all of humanity for the actions of just two people is completely illogical. If somebody robbed a bank, and you got punished for it even though you didn't do it, of course you would object to it. There's just no sense in it. I have always leaned toward the Creation story being metaphorical, not literal, because there's so many apparent holes in it.
@Gordaton God IS just. The reason nobody made it to heaven is because nobody could live a sinless life. Only Christ did. All those who were under God went to a compartment of hell called paradise. They were NOT in torment.
So the comparison made is false regarding robbing the bank
@Gordaton God IS just. The reason nobody made it to heaven is because nobody could live a sinless life. Only Christ did. All those who were under God went to a compartment of hell called paradise. They were NOT in torment.
So the comparison made is false regarding robbing the bank
@shockofgod So typical of those who believe they are into the word of their god. If anyone has another opinion, they should be locked up. You should be locked up with your fellow westboro baptist members and prepare for your rapture....good riddance!
@Krazie316 Right on. The average Atheist doesn't even know what the word "Christian" really means. If they did, then they wouldn't say such nonsense.
@SoniClub YOur statement is riddled with untruths. First of all Christians don't wish to harm anyone, that's an assumption based on lack of knoledge on your behalf. Second define bigotted...because it doesn't even fit with what Christians stand for. If a simple disagreement makes one bigotted, EVERYONE is a bigot.
I love it "Unstable Creature" and if this clown really knoows the Bible "IT" would know about Deuteronomy anyways I lived around these "CREATURES" in LA and the push their abomination upon everyone and always try to destroy GOD'S word they are truly filled with demons
the problem with biblos.com is that its not the original Hebrew bible , its the modern translations of bible in hebrew . the context is different , and it does not account for 1700 years of mistranslations since the original . mainly because there is not complete set of original ARAMAIC . Hebrew was not the original language neither was Greek .
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17) yet another saying that no law in the bible is not be ignored.
@MrAtrophy Using Luke is irrelevant because the 4 Gospels are speaking of the same story, from different perspectives. Matthew a Tax collector, most detailed concearning the law and geneology. Luke, a physician, focuses mainly on miricles of Christ, Mark, fast paced, focuses mainly on the action.
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19) yet another verse telling that at no time do any commandments go away
@MrAtrophy When we us the proper version it says "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED." he fullfilled it several chapters later ast the cross.
Heaven and earth are not going to pass away. In the end we will come back down to earth as New Jarusalem.
@MrAtrophy The point of the verse you guys keep mis-reading is that he is stressing the fact that all will be fulfilled FIRST soo much that he would destroy everything before his word returns to him void. Therefore the sequence of pophecies must be fulfilled.
like most christians , you forgot the last part of that verse Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." until heaven and earth pass away this has not come to pass . and the Old test laws should be followed
@MrAtrophy Like most atheists, you are either deaf, or blind, or both. I addressed that entire group of
versus in this video at 2:32-3:15 also I showed how Paul solidifies this in several places at 4:08-6:20 and showed it's it's something you kats aren't
comprehending.
First of all you're using the wrong version of the bible, we laugh at those that try to use the
NIV in their arguments against us as no real bible study individual uses that garbage.
lets try this another way. even today VIRGINS have given birth through invitro fertilisation they are still virgins , so it could also mean one of these women
A lot of Christians in fact do not cite that first, so he is misleading. Usually, it's Paul from the New Testament who is referenced. This kid also sees to be completely unable to comprehend context or to whom the audience even is for that portion of Leviticus.
@mrlogicalman1 you do know what a concordance is right. It lists the original Hebrew or Greek word and translates the various meanings. Ill stick with those that read the original languages. Not a skeptics web site.
I hate gay people like this dude.... it is all they think about... and talk about and I know I may not be liked for saying this but I am a conservative gay dude and I don't see the point of obsessing over it or mentioning it in every sentence. I say this because these Lady Gaga loons and GLBT nazis are bringing it on themselves... I never talk about it, all of my friends are straight and none of them care at all... these freaks deserve to get their asses beat if you ask me..
I don't agree with a lot of that. I don't hate homosexuals nor do I believe they deserve to be beaten or harmed because we disagree with their lifestyle.
If you believe in the bible all sinners will be punished by God himself but it's not up to us to take his spot.
Everything else you said I agree, obsessing over it is nonsense, but this is done to desensitize America to their lifestyle
@Krazie316 well I didn't imply anything of the sort... I am not into religion myself but I was just saying I dislike people like this dude/female whatever he/she/it calls itself.
There is no reason someone's bedroom life needs to be desensitized in America because it is none of anyone's business IMHO. I am not insecure and have many other qualities aside from that small part of my life to focus on that was my point... people like this tend to cause themselves tons of conflict on there own,,,
No, heaven and earth have not passed away and Jesus has not returned at the "end of days". So the OT mosaic laws ARE STILL in effect. Like most Christians, your reading capacity is nil.
@LucisFerre1 LOL you're like the rest of the idiots that tried to pull that when this very video debunks that claim. it's you're reading comprehension failure that makes you lose, not me. All has already been fulfilled.
@Krazie316 said [[" LOL you're like the rest of the idiots that tried to pull that when this very video debunks that claim. it's you're reading comprehension failure that makes you lose, not me. All has already been fulfilled."]]
Really, how about Mat 1:23-24. What prophesy did that fulfill?
@LucisFerre1 Oh boy, let's actually read the whole thing starting from verse 18-24 not 23-24.
In verse 20 an angel appeared unto Joseph in a DREAM. In verse 21 The angel tells hin his wife will bring forth a son from the Holy Spirit whom he shall call JESUS.
Verse 2 talks about the prophet from the OT Isaiah which said in Isaiah 7:14 (paraphrased) that a virgin will conceive and bear a son who's name will be Immanuel
Verse 23 of Matt. 1 says that name is interpreted, God with us
@Krazie316, King Ahaz in Isa 7 was afraid that the Assyrians were about to take over his kingdom. Isaiah gave Ahaz a prophesy (Isa 7:7) and told Ahaz that he needs to ask for a sign. Ahaz said that he's not to tempt (test) the lord. Isaiah, rather petulantly, gave him a sign anyway to assure him that 7:7 would come true. A boy would be born from a virgin/maiden with certain characteristics. This was to happen "In the days of Ahaz" (verse 1) and can have NOTHING to do with "Jesus".
@LucisFerre1 Your argument falls apart when reading that whole segment 1-14 He was talking to the ENTIRE "house of David" Jesus is under the house of David.
Verse 2 and Verse 13
12-14: But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. 13And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
14: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. (the sign was for the house of David
@Krazie316 If you're saying just because verse 1 says "And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz" that the sign has to be within his days that's not what's being said.
The verse is saying these events are happening in the days of Ahaz, NOT that the sign will happen in the days of Ahaz
@Krazie316 Nonsense! Isaiah insisted that Ahaz have a sign, which is what Ahaz protested against as he believed that it wasn't appropriate to tempt (test) the lord. Did you even READ the chapter? And what WAS that sign to be given to Ahaz? Isa 7:14.
@LucisFerre1 Clearly you're not reading. versus 10 and 11, the LORD is telling Ahaz to ask a sign "Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz". Verse 12 AHAZ SAID "I will not....
Verse 13: "And he said, Hear ye now, O HOUSE OF DAVID; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son...
@Krazie316, You are perfectly free to engage in selective reading, but I don't know what you hope to accomplish with it. Isaiah (the voice of 'god') told Ahaz to ask for a sign. Ahaz didn't want to tempt the lord. He was admonished and was told that he's to receive a sign anyway. Ergo the birth of from the virgin/maiden of a boy with certain characteristics. You're hoop jumping is rather entertaining.
@Krazie316 said [[1 Your argument falls apart when reading that whole segment 1-14 He was talking to the ENTIRE "house of David" Jesus is under the house of David.]]
Oh, I recommend reading the entire chapter, plus 2 Chron 28 where prophesy Isa7:7 DID NOT come to pass. The "sign" for for king Ahaz, "in the days of Ahaz" (verse 1) about Isa 7:7.
Sorry, whether "almah" means virgin or maiden, it can't apply to Jesus more than 700 years later. That prophesy was already fulfilled.
@LucisFerre1 I did read the whole thing that being said, On Isaiah 7:7 the PREREQUISITE for fulfillment was clearly laid out in 7:9 was that Ahaz was to stand firm in his faith or else he would not be established. The very beginning od 2 Chronicles 28 says
1: he did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD...
2: he walked in the ways of the kings of Israel, and made also molten images for Baalim and on to verse 3.
thanks, im glad to see not all youtube video makers are retarded like that....thing...whose video you are analyzing. i wish you didnt put "schooling" in the title, as it, at first glance, deteriorates from the message you are trying to send, and that i believe the thing's response called you out on that, but no matter. i also lold cuz you gave the video 1 star rating
You're not schooling anyone. I'm an atheist and so is a majority of the worlds most intelligent beings. Why is this? Because our minds are strong enough to realize that even though millions of people believe it doesn't make it true. Millions think Jersey Shore is a watchable show but you look at it as a person with an able-mind and you see it as a show about whores and drinking. If god is really all knowing all powerful and omnipotent then he would have done away with satan in the first place...
@Yzzomrots Oh my...if you are a part of the most intelligent minds why did you write such a terribly structured argument. I'll break it into two comments
First you say I haven't schooled anyone but proceed to NOT show how I'm wrong, lol.
PROVE to me with scripture that I'm wrong...because this video and the video I'm responding to, are about SCRIPTURE.
@Krazie316 Please I don't waste my time preparing well structured statements for the christian population. Second at what point did I claim to be one of the most intelligent minds of the world? I stated that most of the worlds most intelligent minds don't believe in god. Secondly you're right because I didn't misinterpret then force that information like you did so I guess I'm just plain wrong. And in your precious bible God tells Moses to build a fucking waygate aka a teleporter .
@Yzzomrots Its not the structure of your statement, its the structure of your argument. It simply fails because the conclusion doesn't logically follow
I never said you claimed to be an intelligent mind. I said in Premise 1 you claimed to be an atheist. Please read before responding as to quote me correctly like im quoting you correctly.
@Yzzomrots Your statement saying the most intelligent minds don't believe in God is false. Past and present christians have been included also in that group. Such as the man that led the Human Genome Project.
I haven't misinterpreted anything. So again PROVE I'm wrong with an actual argument with evidence using scripture like us.
On both biblos and bible gateway, a search for the word "waygate" is absent
So does that mean that because Jesus fulfilled the law, that slavery is a no-no, shaving is OK, and women can go out and socialize or work while they're menstruating - even on a Sunday? Then why is homosexuality still an abomination?
@Krazie316 Er...go ahead and cite something for me, because the only NT scripture I could find was Paul's dissertation in Romans which describes same-gender relations as unnatural. So, Paul, a human being (not God) claims that it is unnatural, obviously devoid of the knowledge that homosexuality appears naturally in hundreds of (known) species.
@Ogawa47 It's a logical fallacy to try to separate what Paul says from God because he's OF God.
Several things contest these so called homosexual animals only to show they are NOT. For example the so called homosexual penguins of SanFrancisco that, uh oh, broke uo when a female was introduced, LOL.
Made a video on that topic too. your current and following responses will be everything I've already dealt with for years nothing new under the sun. THIS video, however, is about SCRIPTURE.
@Krazie316 If God wrote the Bible, then why did man put his name all over it? Why are there various and conflicting accounts of the same events given over decades? A conclusion based on faith is the opposite of logic. This, combined with the fact that you have to separate natural (and actual) law from the scripture you claim is truth renders your argument invalid. Good day to you sir.
@Ogawa47 There are no conflicting accounts of the same events. contradictions have been shot down soo many times it's not funny the problem starts with you picking the wrong version of the bible mostly.
If a conclusion based on faith is the opposite of logic then many things in the secular community are just as illogical as our faith, lol.
The rest of your comment makes no sense conccearning the discussion, lol
@MUGENKINGU You clearly didn't watch the video and are another comment drone. ZJ USED SCRIPTURE leaving out the fact we're not under any law that tells us to do what he's telling us to do in order to follow our law. I came behind and put everything into perspective and context and showed how ZJ was wrong.
It's called a debunk, learn something about it. However you're comment cannot be displayed due to it's profanity on a Christian video.
Right, says the religious person. The person that disabled the ratings on their video because they know everyone would see the bullshit. The person who referred to Zj, who is a wonderful person as; This creature.
Zj, was saying why are Christian using THE VERSE, if they don't use it correctly. But if it isn't even in affect... THE SAME THING APPLIES! Why are they using it if it wasn't fulfilled.
@Minecraft4life1000 I'm not religious, I'm a Christian, Christ called out the religious. Learn the difference.
Ratings don't determine truth, ratings determine popularity. I'm fine with an unpopular truth as it is still a truth. Therefore it is irrelevant what the ratings are I do know however you rely on rating videos to feed your family...poor sap I just stopped you from providing huh, lol.
ZJ is a loser who could properly quote to save it's life. It was debunked thoroughly and that's it
Sigh* telling a homosexual atheist that the bible says homosexuality is wrong, That'll show em.... I wish people who claim to be christian would just stop these rediculous comments and videos, You just go on making it harder for anyone who actualy studies the bible to claim it has legitamcy.... The bible condems it yes, but your goal in life isn't to try and put someone down for it. An atheist? If you really believe in god then let him have his vengance. No human can judge another.
@MagnusCattus So your first comment was not even made before watching the substance in this video than you return and retract about studying and knowing. I know very well the scriptures yes.
But you still miss the point of this video which has nothing to do with telling a homosexual atheist homosexuality is wrong. if you watched the video you'll see the purpose of it is to debunk a fallacy made in his video...something nearly everyone that's new commenting seems to not understand.
@biggamerjh1 First of all that is a him, not a her. Second of all this video wasn't about insults, as the bulk of it was an outright refutation of what was stated in JZ's video.
@Krazie316 -"When Christ came, he became a perfect eternal sacrifice for all so that we could go to heaven." (Your comment ) ... So without an animal sacrifice (old testament requirement ) we are so full of "SIN" that we cannot enter Heaven ? That's the kicker ! Once that's part of your faith, there is no hope for any other dialogue. By that tenet , you have condemned all Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists... etc.. to the fires of Hell ! Nice religion you got there...
@curiousgeorge1940 Actually even with the animal sacrifice you couldn't go to heaven. the sacrifice was to bring the very best of what you had without blemish and sacrifice it as atonement for sin.
As for the last part of your failed comment...it seems you've neglected to read the part we have never been under that law. Only a specific people from a specific time were under it. Christians came after Christ. hell this entire video explains that to you, but you kats don't read
It also says in Leviticus that you shouldn't wear blended fabrics or eat shellfish - do you do that? Are your fabrics blended? Do you eat shrimp, clams, or lobster? If so you are violating the terms of Leviticus. You can quote the Bible - I am not impressed.
@PaulKJHarris Are you joking are are you just that clueless? THIS VIDEO REJECTS MOSAIC LAW!!! You're bringing up Mosaic Law and asking if I follow it ROFL.
Further evidence atheists don't even watch the video refuting the claims of atheists. It could also be that you just can't comprehend basics or can't read.
Whine don't those wicked atheist just be qu-whine-iet? My Mommy says I don't hafta listen to you I'm just gonna put my fingers in my ears and sing jesuslovesmethis I KNOW forthe BIBLE TELLS ME SO! Laa la laa la laaaaa! You can't see me now when I bow my head in prayer! DADDY! THOSE OTHER KIDS ARE PICKIN' ON ME! I'M TELLIN' ON YOU!
@eutahbear1952 It would be a credible comment had I not actually completely refuted the video in question point by point but since I actually sis do that you've failed.
Oh look! Yet another Christian who has disabled ratings on his video. Afraid to see how many people disagree with your hate?
So you can quote the Bible six ways to Sunday. What does that prove if the Bible isn't really divine? We have no proof that it is. It was written by the same authors who wrote all those trashy sex novels back in the 1970s: Anonymous. Maybe the Qur'an is the correct book. Better start quoting it instead. Note that it's written by the same authors. No credibility.
Your bible verses don't prove anything, and it's interesting to see how insecure you are that you must go out and further marginalize other people who are on the outskirts of 'acceptable' society.
@Krazie316 You still seem very full of yourself and your ability to 'rip to shreds'. Your tough guy act isn't impressing anyone.
Your entire video fails, pretending that some ancient writings prove whatever points about the supernatural you are trying to make. You use your bible to prove your bible.
You've given up your right to think and instead replaced it with an ancient book that does your thinking for you.
@AtheistExplains There;s no tough guy act, LOL again you've failed to address something that actually exists.
My video doesn't reside on proving God you deaf goon, HAHAHAHA The video refutes points that another atheist brought up in scripture. My video uses scripture as did the atheist to prove him wrong.
It has nothing to do with proving the bible.
You've therefore failed and cannot be taken seriously
@Krazie316 Except they're not. That is actually how some people find stability in their life. Ever heard of transsexuals? They feel like they're in the wrong body, so they get surgeries done. Would you rather that they live with that feeling?
You actually come off as the horrible person here. Not that you're going to care, but you have a right to know.
Also, I don't think you understand what a logical fallacy is.
@TheOtherHolly Actually they are unstable. A feeling is not a fact...fact is they are what they are born, not the opposite. The only ones that can claim they feel a certain way is a hermaphrodite, they had the unfortunate dealing of a genetic error.
Your opinion of my is irelevant to my life as I come off as a great person to many others. My opinion is unchanged. I understand greatly what a logical fallacy is.
@Krazie316 Please explain to me how they are unstable. Gender has absolutely nothing to do with stability. And who are you to say who can and can't claim anything? No one, that's who.
No, you apparently don't because when you're insulted, it's ad hominem, but when you insult others, it's not. Your hypocrisy is astounding and you're rather pathetic.
@TheOtherHolly Anyone that thinks they are what they are clearly not is unstable, period.
Again yes I do, it's an ad hominem anytime you insult someone but the difference is do you have the intellect to actually make an argument with the crap flinging or are you too ignorant and ill educated to make a point with substance. THAT'S what I said not to do but you're apparently not bright enough to read a simple annotation.
Why do you follow this book krazie? Serious question.
foraminutethere23 1 week ago
I'm sorry but i just don't understand how someone could stand there and say "you are not allowed to love this man" just because you are gay. when you think about, you really shouldn't care what they do because if your right, the gays will burn in hell when they die, so shouldn't they at least be able to enjoy their time on earth?
Turtleluver26 2 weeks ago
@Turtleluver26
"I'm sorry but i just don't understand how someone could stand there and say "you are not allowed to love this man" just because you are gay."
Nobody said that. Loving men and homosexual intercourse are two different things. An attraction to someone or something doesn't necessarily make it right to act on those attractions. And Jesus died on the cross because he cared about saving us from hell, so when you say we shouldn't care, that couldn't be farther from the truth.
Tonloc1986 2 weeks ago
@Tonloc1986 but the bible also says that looking upon a woman with lust in your heart is equivalent to having already committed adultery with her, so wouldn't looking upon a MAN with those same thoughts damn you just as sufficiently as sleeping with them?
Ryvinx 4 days ago
God cannot commit murder because all life belongs to him. murder is taking a life that DOES NOT belong to you. This has nothing to do with him being all powerfull.
not only that Krazie but it's sin that takes a life those who don't believe are condemned already (bound by sin and death)
evewale 1 month ago
Pesky atheists.
sweetmonkeylove1 1 month ago
Wow, it's been a while since we came across this disturbed creature (Jzemptv).
BTW, Lev 20:13 is a law that Society SHOULD carry out. And it was a law that the early United States Territories DID carry out.
That was, back when America was blessed and thriving.
Now look at us. A disgusting person pretending to be a girl is making videos as he blasphemies Christ, and people "tolerate" it as their nation is not far from collapse.
GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV 1 month ago
@GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV If we carry out that law then you have to carry them all out....
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316
Unfortunately.
GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV 1 month ago
But the law was for society in general.
All the people in one accord.
Which of course is long gone now!
GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV 1 month ago
"that says a lot about your position"
Actually no, you're not my focal point in life with hundreds of other people to argue both here and other sites I forgot about you and didn't even see the email. I get to you when I get to you. Your homies screwed up your right to post on this video freely by constantly using profanity, calling me nigger, etc. So thank your atheist/homosexual cronies for making me have to set approval, it initially was open.
Krazie316 1 month ago
You do realize ZJ makes many valid points in many of her videos. I dont understand why you didnt reply to "the 6 moral breakers of Christianity". is it because you know you have no argument and therefore have to choose a different video, and only play half of it? and you do realize, because of humans who evolved and started playing with science you can use that computer to try and convince us in something that is obviously not there hence the reason we're atheist? least we dont murder children.
gothicage12 1 month ago
@gothicage12 So your point is sice I didn't keep shootig down his videos I can't? ROFL what terrible logic. This one was forwarded to me and i shot it down. I'm sure there are plenty more I can shoot down but I've gone after many people he's not the only person to refute in the universe.
People of multiple beliefs played/play with science includig Christians. Furthermore it's not logical to conclude something is not there when you can't explain the origins of all life yourself
Krazie316 1 month ago
@gothicage12 Lastly God cannot commit murder, all life belongs to him he can do with it what he wants. Humans commit murder when acting on there free will to take a life that doesn't belong to them
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 if god CANNOT commit murder then he is not all powerful. personally speaking i would have thought that when those kids insulted elisha calling him bald & he cursed them in the name of god & god sent two female bears to kill 42 kids, that could be considered murder. do you mean he can't commit murder himself & therefore has to get the bears to do it for him? like a hitman situation maybe? (ref: 2 Kings 2:23-25)
aidorrocks 1 month ago
@aidorrocks I facepalmed. God cannot commit murder because all life belongs to him. murder is taking a life that DOES NOT belong to you. This has nothing to do with him being all powerfull.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@BeauG92 You sound as uptight as this THING in this video. The moral aspect of the old test. laws are still the same. what was evil and abominable to God is still today.
crucifeid2 1 month ago
@BeauG92 Actually no he didn't I had to make a 2 part video in response to that to shoot down all the fallacies in that rant. you're just a loser follower though
Krazie316 1 month ago
Excellent video Krazie316!
ZJemptv knows not what he does. He is a slave to the great tempter, the great accuser, the king of all liars, and the destroyer of men. The key to this time is in the tempter. ZJemptv is simply trying to twist the Word of God in an attempt to get you to test the LORD, just as Satan did to Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane.
Thank you for some of the verses you offered in your very thorough rebuttal. Great job!
Praise be to God in the highest!
bustedprius 1 month ago
Athiests are hard to get to. If they are proven wrong and they know it, they deny more to what you say to them, they will also make up uncorrect observations and theory's.
jonahair747 1 month ago
@BeauG92 Actually Christ called people dogs, vipers, swine, etc. Name calling is NOT un-Christ like.
read ALL of Matthew 5:1-7. It teaches HOW TO JUDGE not, not to judge. looks like you fail
Krazie316 1 month ago
Quote the bible until you're blue in the face, it isn't relevant. Until something is proven, nothing taken from it can be considered valid. And even if it is valid, it's probably one of the worst sources to obtain a moral code. Genocide, infanticide, patricide, matricide, etc. along with widespread torture and rape, all condoned by a supposedly loving God. Preaching love and then committing the opposite? Hypocrisy 101 right there, good job.
Sean1Sullivan 1 month ago
@Sean1Sullivan God NEVER Condoned torture or rape. But of course you're simply reciting fluff from atheist web sites, nothing of your own
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Here's the quotes for rape. Judges 21:10-24 Numbers 31:7-18 Deuteronomy 20:10-14 2 Samuel 12:11-14 Deuteronomy 21:10-14 Judges 5:30 Exodus 21:7-11 Zechariah 14:1-2. And here's the ones for torture. Proverbs 20:3 Proverbs 18:6 Deuteronomy 25:2 Proverbs 23: 13-14 Matthew 18:34 Revelation 9: 5-6, and of course the entire book of Job, and hell, the big one. I also noticed that you didn't deny the other points. So you still think that murder in your God's name is moral? Sickening.
Sean1Sullivan 1 month ago
@Sean1Sullivan I don't have time to type out an entire debunking of the versus you listed therefore this entire blog destroys every last claim of rape: atheismisdead.blogspot. com/2009/04/atheism-bible-rape-evilbiblecom-and-dan. html
Not to mention my video destroying the Deuteronomy 22:28 rape case which also wasn't rape /watch?v=98ieb3xN3O0
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Sean1Sullivan Proverbs 20:3 no torture here
Proverbs 18:6 no torture
Deuteronomy 25:2 punishment for breaking a law not torture
Proverbs 23: 13-14 punishment, not torture, same as a whooping
Matthew 18:34 why is lord lower case When all references to Christ were either "Lord" or "LORD" why does it say "his lord" "the lord of that servant"...figure it out
Revelation 9: 5-6 is a prophecy of what will happen NOT by God's hands or his followers, but by the wicked followers of Satan
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Sean1Sullivan As for anything involving the lake of fire, you're right about that one sinners will spend an eternity in the lake of fire in hell.
However, God cammot commit murder "taking a life that doesn not belong to you" as all life belongs to God. technically since that is the case it is still just for him to cast sinners into the lake of fire for eternity.
It's your choice to agree or not, but I'm not the maker of myself and don't make the rules.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Sean1Sullivan Rom 12:19 "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." " Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."
Funnypandalonies 1 month ago
I like how you've disabled ratings because you know you'd get so many dislikes it's unreal.
SoniClub 1 month ago
@SoniClub WAHH go cry to mommy because the ratings aren't enabled wah wah wah. ROFL ypu people crack me up with your crying about ratings. You have NO REBUTTALS and resort to crying about ratings grow up. ratings show popularity, not gruth. And if Christians actually spent the time to rate and spent all day on youtube like you kats with no life, we'd have higher ratings than you guys in the first place.
Most Christians don't even rate videos.
Rebuttal or kick rocks
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Lol @ "Most Christians don't even rate videos." Really? "And our God who askth to not rate the videos on YouTube." I don't remember that being in the bible. And you're making a horrible stereotype saying "And if Christians actually spent the time to rate and spent all day on youtube like you kats with no life..." Who says all Christians "have a life?" I have tons of christian friends who like to no life on media. What you say is just senseless.
TF2Blozi 1 month ago
@TF2Blozi You begin your statement with senseless assumptions then end it saying mine is senseless, you're a smart one aren't you ;-). l
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 The internet is the unofficial homeland of atheism lol. Its for the most part considered bad socially, so most prefer the internet where no one knows them. Even the ones who post videos, there friends are likely to never see it in the first place just random people lol
0Maloy1 1 month ago
@Krazie316 I'm afraid I can't go crying to "mommy" because I don't have one. So thanks for that.
In fact, I have a lot of arguments against you using your religion to fuel your pointless hate for others and gays such as myself. But I know you're just gonna throw them back in my face with some bible quotation. (which, i'd like to add, doesn't count as an argument. You can't quote a book from 2000 years ago and act like it means anything who don't believe in it)
SoniClub 1 month ago
@SoniClub Let me get this straight, you have a lot of arguments against the video yet you go on to hate for homosexuals where I NEVER promoted or even remotely showed hate. You're a mindless troll. Anything that stands against what you believe is automatically considered hate, grow up and learn the difference between disagreement and hate.
Last time, rebuttal against this vid, or kick rocks
Krazie316 1 month ago
it doesn't matter what version/translation of the bible you use, it makes no sense from the very 1st page. it's full of bronze age views & laws that have no place today.
aidorrocks 1 month ago
@aidorrocks Actually it DOES matter what translation because some are flat out wrong and have no place in ANY time in society. Others are mis-represented by atheist who try to make the bible seem a way it's not.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316
which ones are correct & which ones are false? how do you know this & how do you know ANY of them are correct?
aidorrocks 1 month ago
@aidorrocks best explanation: /watch?v=6vJF9yzLUkc
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316
i've read enopugh of the kjv to realise that it's full of holes. like i say they don't make any sense - any of them. again, i'll ask you how do you know ANY of them are correct and how can anyone say they should be followed & not outright dismissed?
aidorrocks 1 month ago
@aidorrocks It has no holes, funny how you don't point any out. Again the video explains it best. if you can't figure it out based off all that evidence you can't be helped
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 your link does not say why ANY bible should be believed, my problems with the bible? here's a few. why does an all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent god need 6 days to create the earth/universe? why couldn't he do it instantly? if he created day & night on the 4th day how could there have been days 1-3 if they weren't created yet? why did this all powerful god need to rest on the 7th day? why did he need dirt to create adam & 1 of his ribs to create eve?
aidorrocks 1 month ago
@aidorrocks Yeah the link DOES say why the King James bible should be believed. The only way to come to your comclusion is to have not clicked the link at all, lol.
I'm not a young earth creationist, I'm an old earth creationist (gap theory, although not really a theory). Therefore this question isn't valid to me in it's current form.
Your next point is not a point at all, day and night was not created on the fourth day (read verses 3-5)....
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 i did watch the whole video. it may say why kvj is "more accurate" than the others, but doesn't give a reason why anyone should believe it's true
aidorrocks 1 month ago
@aidorrocks I facepalmed again...The video explains why the KJV is a real bible and is an accurate (not just more accurate) bible from Hebrew, Greek, and Armaic
Krazie316 1 month ago
@aidorrocks Your first point (although invalid in current form) and 3rd point center around the unknown and irrelevant. Who cares why God rested (which you're taking as a literal. The bible is full if figuratives as well. The Hebrew word for this 7673>וַיִּשְׁבֹּת֙>shabath: to cease, desist, rest). Therefore who said he was literally resting like just chillin and tired? It means he stopped on the 7th day....
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 "Who cares why God rested (which you're taking as a literal. The bible is full if figuratives as well."
how do YOU know what parts are literal & which parts aren't?
aidorrocks 1 month ago
@aidorrocks It's called context
Krazie316 1 month ago
@aidorrocks I don't know why he used dirt to create Adam or use one of his ribs to form Eve. I wasn't there when it happened nor is it relevant to me...it's just something you wanna know. Interestingly enough I often wonder if Adam and Eve even had belly buttons because they were not born, but I still don't know.....
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 also: in my kjv bible it says "and god said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." tell me, who is the "us" & "our" in this passage. all this from kjv genisis chapter 1. i look forward to your answers.
aidorrocks 1 month ago
@aidorrocks "and god said, let us make man in our image"
Heaven and angelic beings had already been created
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 so are you saying heaven & these angelic beings have godlike powers & helped god create man?
aidorrocks 1 month ago
@aidorrocks I get the repetitive problem here, you're trying to be legalistic with everything that is written...again there are figuratives and literals. grab a concordance and read along with it.
Krazie316 1 month ago
The passage of time does not make actions any less bad. Also, there is no suitable explanation why sin could not of been forgiven before the New Testament.
Gordaton 1 month ago
@Gordaton There is a suitable explanation because it was ORIGINAL (Adam and Eve's) sin that caused it. No forgiveness meaning nobody could go to heaven till Christ came along as a perfect eternal sacrifice.
It's up to you to believe/accept it or not. I'm not here to force anyone just explain what is written to the best of my abilities
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 If it is that, then that would mean God is not just. Reason why is the punishment being spread to all of humanity for the actions of just two people is completely illogical. If somebody robbed a bank, and you got punished for it even though you didn't do it, of course you would object to it. There's just no sense in it. I have always leaned toward the Creation story being metaphorical, not literal, because there's so many apparent holes in it.
Gordaton 1 month ago
@Gordaton God IS just. The reason nobody made it to heaven is because nobody could live a sinless life. Only Christ did. All those who were under God went to a compartment of hell called paradise. They were NOT in torment.
So the comparison made is false regarding robbing the bank
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Gordaton God IS just. The reason nobody made it to heaven is because nobody could live a sinless life. Only Christ did. All those who were under God went to a compartment of hell called paradise. They were NOT in torment.
So the comparison made is false regarding robbing the bank
Krazie316 1 month ago
zjemptv is mentally ill. They need to lock him up in the crazy house before he harms society.
shockofgod 2 months ago
@shockofgod So typical of those who believe they are into the word of their god. If anyone has another opinion, they should be locked up. You should be locked up with your fellow westboro baptist members and prepare for your rapture....good riddance!
gyqz 2 months ago
@gyqz Uh, NO real Christian agrees with the Westboro Baptist Church. It's time to grow up and actually know what people stand for
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Right on. The average Atheist doesn't even know what the word "Christian" really means. If they did, then they wouldn't say such nonsense.
blueshogun96 1 month ago
@shockofgod Why? Because she seems to want to harm a lot less people than this guys bigoted religion does.
SoniClub 1 month ago
@SoniClub YOur statement is riddled with untruths. First of all Christians don't wish to harm anyone, that's an assumption based on lack of knoledge on your behalf. Second define bigotted...because it doesn't even fit with what Christians stand for. If a simple disagreement makes one bigotted, EVERYONE is a bigot.
Get real
Krazie316 1 month ago
I don't understand you point. Are you saying the bible if full of contradictions?
xwarmangle 2 months ago
@xwarmangle not at all
Krazie316 1 month ago
I love it "Unstable Creature" and if this clown really knoows the Bible "IT" would know about Deuteronomy anyways I lived around these "CREATURES" in LA and the push their abomination upon everyone and always try to destroy GOD'S word they are truly filled with demons
MrMonicaRuiz 2 months ago
the problem with biblos.com is that its not the original Hebrew bible , its the modern translations of bible in hebrew . the context is different , and it does not account for 1700 years of mistranslations since the original . mainly because there is not complete set of original ARAMAIC . Hebrew was not the original language neither was Greek .
MrAtrophy 2 months ago
@MrAtrophy "the problem with biblos"
Actually no, The Dead Sea Scrolls, uncovered in 1946-1948 near Qumran revealed ancient Jewish texts overwhelmingly in Hebrew, not Aramaic.
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Hebrew_language
The originals are written in ACNIENT Hebrew which is a little different than modern Hebrew, Aramaic, and Ancient Greek.
the only differences on context come from the likes of modern translations such as the NIV which we don't use because it's garbage.
Krazie316 2 months ago
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17) yet another saying that no law in the bible is not be ignored.
MrAtrophy 2 months ago
@MrAtrophy Using Luke is irrelevant because the 4 Gospels are speaking of the same story, from different perspectives. Matthew a Tax collector, most detailed concearning the law and geneology. Luke, a physician, focuses mainly on miricles of Christ, Mark, fast paced, focuses mainly on the action.
John, focuses mainly on faith
Krazie316 2 months ago
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19) yet another verse telling that at no time do any commandments go away
MrAtrophy 2 months ago
@MrAtrophy When we us the proper version it says "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED." he fullfilled it several chapters later ast the cross.
Heaven and earth are not going to pass away. In the end we will come back down to earth as New Jarusalem.
Krazie316 2 months ago
@MrAtrophy The point of the verse you guys keep mis-reading is that he is stressing the fact that all will be fulfilled FIRST soo much that he would destroy everything before his word returns to him void. Therefore the sequence of pophecies must be fulfilled.
Krazie316 2 months ago
like most christians , you forgot the last part of that verse Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." until heaven and earth pass away this has not come to pass . and the Old test laws should be followed
MrAtrophy 2 months ago
@MrAtrophy Like most atheists, you are either deaf, or blind, or both. I addressed that entire group of
versus in this video at 2:32-3:15 also I showed how Paul solidifies this in several places at 4:08-6:20 and showed it's it's something you kats aren't
comprehending.
First of all you're using the wrong version of the bible, we laugh at those that try to use the
NIV in their arguments against us as no real bible study individual uses that garbage.
Krazie316 2 months ago
lets try this another way. even today VIRGINS have given birth through invitro fertilisation they are still virgins , so it could also mean one of these women
mrlogicalman1 2 months ago
@mrlogicalman1 What does invitro fertilisation have to do with biblical times where it was unavailable?
Krazie316 2 months ago
A lot of Christians in fact do not cite that first, so he is misleading. Usually, it's Paul from the New Testament who is referenced. This kid also sees to be completely unable to comprehend context or to whom the audience even is for that portion of Leviticus.
aretlev 2 months ago
no im talking about the most ancient text it says young women
mrlogicalman1 2 months ago
@mrlogicalman1 you do know what a concordance is right. It lists the original Hebrew or Greek word and translates the various meanings. Ill stick with those that read the original languages. Not a skeptics web site.
Virgin it is
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Krazie316 Amen! God bless you brother. May the Lord continue to smile upon you.
billywarren22 2 months ago
@Krazie316 What is the site you went to for the original Greek? Biblos.com?
billywarren22 2 months ago
original bible says behold a YOUNG WOMAN will give birth christians lie and say virgin in there translations
mrlogicalman1 2 months ago
@mrlogicalman1 actually no, its virgin. Every concordance will back that up
Krazie316 2 months ago
Agreed with you. Finally some one who believes what I do on Youtube. GOOD JOB!!!
crazypersonlol34 2 months ago
I hate gay people like this dude.... it is all they think about... and talk about and I know I may not be liked for saying this but I am a conservative gay dude and I don't see the point of obsessing over it or mentioning it in every sentence. I say this because these Lady Gaga loons and GLBT nazis are bringing it on themselves... I never talk about it, all of my friends are straight and none of them care at all... these freaks deserve to get their asses beat if you ask me..
MrSpemat 2 months ago
I don't agree with a lot of that. I don't hate homosexuals nor do I believe they deserve to be beaten or harmed because we disagree with their lifestyle.
If you believe in the bible all sinners will be punished by God himself but it's not up to us to take his spot.
Everything else you said I agree, obsessing over it is nonsense, but this is done to desensitize America to their lifestyle
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Krazie316 well I didn't imply anything of the sort... I am not into religion myself but I was just saying I dislike people like this dude/female whatever he/she/it calls itself.
There is no reason someone's bedroom life needs to be desensitized in America because it is none of anyone's business IMHO. I am not insecure and have many other qualities aside from that small part of my life to focus on that was my point... people like this tend to cause themselves tons of conflict on there own,,,
MrSpemat 2 months ago
@MrSpemat I AGREE 100% I'm just like you! I wish i had more people like you.
crazypersonlol34 2 months ago
No, heaven and earth have not passed away and Jesus has not returned at the "end of days". So the OT mosaic laws ARE STILL in effect. Like most Christians, your reading capacity is nil.
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
@LucisFerre1 LOL you're like the rest of the idiots that tried to pull that when this very video debunks that claim. it's you're reading comprehension failure that makes you lose, not me. All has already been fulfilled.
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Krazie316 said [[" LOL you're like the rest of the idiots that tried to pull that when this very video debunks that claim. it's you're reading comprehension failure that makes you lose, not me. All has already been fulfilled."]]
Really, how about Mat 1:23-24. What prophesy did that fulfill?
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
@LucisFerre1 Oh boy, let's actually read the whole thing starting from verse 18-24 not 23-24.
In verse 20 an angel appeared unto Joseph in a DREAM. In verse 21 The angel tells hin his wife will bring forth a son from the Holy Spirit whom he shall call JESUS.
Verse 2 talks about the prophet from the OT Isaiah which said in Isaiah 7:14 (paraphrased) that a virgin will conceive and bear a son who's name will be Immanuel
Verse 23 of Matt. 1 says that name is interpreted, God with us
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Krazie316, King Ahaz in Isa 7 was afraid that the Assyrians were about to take over his kingdom. Isaiah gave Ahaz a prophesy (Isa 7:7) and told Ahaz that he needs to ask for a sign. Ahaz said that he's not to tempt (test) the lord. Isaiah, rather petulantly, gave him a sign anyway to assure him that 7:7 would come true. A boy would be born from a virgin/maiden with certain characteristics. This was to happen "In the days of Ahaz" (verse 1) and can have NOTHING to do with "Jesus".
Comment?
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
@LucisFerre1 Your argument falls apart when reading that whole segment 1-14 He was talking to the ENTIRE "house of David" Jesus is under the house of David.
Verse 2 and Verse 13
12-14: But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. 13And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
14: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. (the sign was for the house of David
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Krazie316 If you're saying just because verse 1 says "And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz" that the sign has to be within his days that's not what's being said.
The verse is saying these events are happening in the days of Ahaz, NOT that the sign will happen in the days of Ahaz
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Krazie316 Nonsense! Isaiah insisted that Ahaz have a sign, which is what Ahaz protested against as he believed that it wasn't appropriate to tempt (test) the lord. Did you even READ the chapter? And what WAS that sign to be given to Ahaz? Isa 7:14.
Be intellectually honest enough to admit it.
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
@LucisFerre1 Clearly you're not reading. versus 10 and 11, the LORD is telling Ahaz to ask a sign "Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz". Verse 12 AHAZ SAID "I will not....
Verse 13: "And he said, Hear ye now, O HOUSE OF DAVID; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son...
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Krazie316, You are perfectly free to engage in selective reading, but I don't know what you hope to accomplish with it. Isaiah (the voice of 'god') told Ahaz to ask for a sign. Ahaz didn't want to tempt the lord. He was admonished and was told that he's to receive a sign anyway. Ergo the birth of from the virgin/maiden of a boy with certain characteristics. You're hoop jumping is rather entertaining.
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
@LucisFerre1 WRONG It was not a sign for Ahaz. it CLEARLY states in 13 HOUSE OF DAVID.
You're the one trying to hoop jump. I'm just dissecting you're fluff copied from failed skeptics sites
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Krazie316 said [[1 Your argument falls apart when reading that whole segment 1-14 He was talking to the ENTIRE "house of David" Jesus is under the house of David.]]
Oh, I recommend reading the entire chapter, plus 2 Chron 28 where prophesy Isa7:7 DID NOT come to pass. The "sign" for for king Ahaz, "in the days of Ahaz" (verse 1) about Isa 7:7.
Sorry, whether "almah" means virgin or maiden, it can't apply to Jesus more than 700 years later. That prophesy was already fulfilled.
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
@LucisFerre1 I did read the whole thing that being said, On Isaiah 7:7 the PREREQUISITE for fulfillment was clearly laid out in 7:9 was that Ahaz was to stand firm in his faith or else he would not be established. The very beginning od 2 Chronicles 28 says
1: he did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD...
2: he walked in the ways of the kings of Israel, and made also molten images for Baalim and on to verse 3.
That's not a failed prophecy
Krazie316 2 months ago
@LucisFerre1 almah means virgin It can apply to Jesus because the sign for this was for the house of David, not Ahaz
Krazie316 2 months ago
@LucisFerre1 continued. Jesus is God with us, He's God in the flesh. Therefore he fulfilled that simply by being born.
Krazie316 2 months ago
Good pwnage vid there Krazie, nothing like a good ol spiritual rebuking!
virtualguitarist 2 months ago
thanks, im glad to see not all youtube video makers are retarded like that....thing...whose video you are analyzing. i wish you didnt put "schooling" in the title, as it, at first glance, deteriorates from the message you are trying to send, and that i believe the thing's response called you out on that, but no matter. i also lold cuz you gave the video 1 star rating
chadunn13 2 months ago
Good Job
evewale 2 months ago
You're not schooling anyone. I'm an atheist and so is a majority of the worlds most intelligent beings. Why is this? Because our minds are strong enough to realize that even though millions of people believe it doesn't make it true. Millions think Jersey Shore is a watchable show but you look at it as a person with an able-mind and you see it as a show about whores and drinking. If god is really all knowing all powerful and omnipotent then he would have done away with satan in the first place...
Yzzomrots 2 months ago
@Yzzomrots Oh my...if you are a part of the most intelligent minds why did you write such a terribly structured argument. I'll break it into two comments
First you say I haven't schooled anyone but proceed to NOT show how I'm wrong, lol.
PROVE to me with scripture that I'm wrong...because this video and the video I'm responding to, are about SCRIPTURE.
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Krazie316 Please I don't waste my time preparing well structured statements for the christian population. Second at what point did I claim to be one of the most intelligent minds of the world? I stated that most of the worlds most intelligent minds don't believe in god. Secondly you're right because I didn't misinterpret then force that information like you did so I guess I'm just plain wrong. And in your precious bible God tells Moses to build a fucking waygate aka a teleporter .
Yzzomrots 2 months ago
@Yzzomrots Its not the structure of your statement, its the structure of your argument. It simply fails because the conclusion doesn't logically follow
I never said you claimed to be an intelligent mind. I said in Premise 1 you claimed to be an atheist. Please read before responding as to quote me correctly like im quoting you correctly.
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Yzzomrots Your statement saying the most intelligent minds don't believe in God is false. Past and present christians have been included also in that group. Such as the man that led the Human Genome Project.
I haven't misinterpreted anything. So again PROVE I'm wrong with an actual argument with evidence using scripture like us.
On both biblos and bible gateway, a search for the word "waygate" is absent
Krazie316 2 months ago
This is your warning about profanity, lose it @Yzzomrots
Krazie316 2 months ago
@Yzzomrots actually, eintstein was the most intelligent mind to date, and he believed in God. So your statement is yet again, uninformed.
Funnypandalonies 2 months ago
@Funnypandalonies he was agnostic-nihilist and read religous texts for "entertainment"
Lzztopz 2 months ago
@Yzzomrots Then your argument changes to:
Premise 1: I am an atheist
Premise 2: The most intelligent minds in the world are atheists (false)
Conclusion: If god is really all knowing all powerful and omnipotent then he would have done away with satan in the first place...
The conclusion does not logically follow.
(atheism doesn't make you intelligent, knowledge and WISDOM does)
Krazie316 2 months ago
So does that mean that because Jesus fulfilled the law, that slavery is a no-no, shaving is OK, and women can go out and socialize or work while they're menstruating - even on a Sunday? Then why is homosexuality still an abomination?
Ogawa47 3 months ago
@Ogawa47 New testament scriptures
Krazie316 3 months ago
@Krazie316 Er...go ahead and cite something for me, because the only NT scripture I could find was Paul's dissertation in Romans which describes same-gender relations as unnatural. So, Paul, a human being (not God) claims that it is unnatural, obviously devoid of the knowledge that homosexuality appears naturally in hundreds of (known) species.
Ogawa47 3 months ago
@Ogawa47 It's a logical fallacy to try to separate what Paul says from God because he's OF God.
Several things contest these so called homosexual animals only to show they are NOT. For example the so called homosexual penguins of SanFrancisco that, uh oh, broke uo when a female was introduced, LOL.
Made a video on that topic too. your current and following responses will be everything I've already dealt with for years nothing new under the sun. THIS video, however, is about SCRIPTURE.
Krazie316 3 months ago
@Krazie316 If God wrote the Bible, then why did man put his name all over it? Why are there various and conflicting accounts of the same events given over decades? A conclusion based on faith is the opposite of logic. This, combined with the fact that you have to separate natural (and actual) law from the scripture you claim is truth renders your argument invalid. Good day to you sir.
Ogawa47 3 months ago
@Ogawa47 There are no conflicting accounts of the same events. contradictions have been shot down soo many times it's not funny the problem starts with you picking the wrong version of the bible mostly.
If a conclusion based on faith is the opposite of logic then many things in the secular community are just as illogical as our faith, lol.
The rest of your comment makes no sense conccearning the discussion, lol
Krazie316 3 months ago
@Ogawa47 You might also want to check out 1 Corinthians 6:9
Krazie316 3 months ago
You r translation site is flawed. The Greeks did not care is someone was heterosexual or homosexual. Read republic of Plato to get a better idea.
The site you get your "definitions" from is run by religious people and they have altered some of the definitions to fit their wants.
In Greek sodomite = shrine prostitute most were slaves.
arsenokoites = rape
Dont believe me check these things for your self.
Maybe even go to a library
torrid426 4 months ago
@torrid426 No my translation site is perfectly fine, it's your lack of understanding of ancient Greek versus modern Greek more than likely
Krazie316 4 months ago
@Krazie316
Ya, right I'm sure your website has it correct and its Oxford that is wrong.
torrid426 4 months ago
@torrid426 I'm more than sure the Strong's Concordance has it right.
Krazie316 4 months ago
@MUGENKINGU You clearly didn't watch the video and are another comment drone. ZJ USED SCRIPTURE leaving out the fact we're not under any law that tells us to do what he's telling us to do in order to follow our law. I came behind and put everything into perspective and context and showed how ZJ was wrong.
It's called a debunk, learn something about it. However you're comment cannot be displayed due to it's profanity on a Christian video.
Krazie316 5 months ago
Haha, Zj owned you :)
Minecraft4life1000 5 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 How does someone who was debunked by evidence if scripture to refute the other person's shoddy quoting of the same scripture?
You're deluded
Krazie316 5 months ago
@Krazie316 "I'm deluded".
Right, says the religious person. The person that disabled the ratings on their video because they know everyone would see the bullshit. The person who referred to Zj, who is a wonderful person as; This creature.
Zj, was saying why are Christian using THE VERSE, if they don't use it correctly. But if it isn't even in affect... THE SAME THING APPLIES! Why are they using it if it wasn't fulfilled.
You're deluded.
Minecraft4life1000 5 months ago 2
@Minecraft4life1000 I'm not religious, I'm a Christian, Christ called out the religious. Learn the difference.
Ratings don't determine truth, ratings determine popularity. I'm fine with an unpopular truth as it is still a truth. Therefore it is irrelevant what the ratings are I do know however you rely on rating videos to feed your family...poor sap I just stopped you from providing huh, lol.
ZJ is a loser who could properly quote to save it's life. It was debunked thoroughly and that's it
Krazie316 5 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 So yes again you're deluded
Krazie316 5 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 So yes again you're deluded
Krazie316 5 months ago
Hmmm perhaps expecting you to be ignorant of the scripture was wrong, I'll admit that.
MagnusCattus 6 months ago
Sigh* telling a homosexual atheist that the bible says homosexuality is wrong, That'll show em.... I wish people who claim to be christian would just stop these rediculous comments and videos, You just go on making it harder for anyone who actualy studies the bible to claim it has legitamcy.... The bible condems it yes, but your goal in life isn't to try and put someone down for it. An atheist? If you really believe in god then let him have his vengance. No human can judge another.
MagnusCattus 6 months ago
@MagnusCattus So your first comment was not even made before watching the substance in this video than you return and retract about studying and knowing. I know very well the scriptures yes.
But you still miss the point of this video which has nothing to do with telling a homosexual atheist homosexuality is wrong. if you watched the video you'll see the purpose of it is to debunk a fallacy made in his video...something nearly everyone that's new commenting seems to not understand.
Krazie316 6 months ago
Does insulting her really bring anything to the argument. Stand on the weight of the bible instead of just using petty insults to add to your point.
biggamerjh1 6 months ago
@biggamerjh1 First of all that is a him, not a her. Second of all this video wasn't about insults, as the bulk of it was an outright refutation of what was stated in JZ's video.
Krazie316 6 months ago
Sounding kind swishy, yourself, to be making fun of ZJ...
Traodea 6 months ago
@Traodea Making fun, no. Stating a fact, yes
Krazie316 6 months ago
Following your logic : The 10 commandments are no longer in effect ?
You talk about "twisting the Bible " ... Either it's all good , or it's all irrelevant !
If you accept the premise that we are all born in sin , then the priesthood has got you by the balls from day one That's your problem - not mine.
curiousgeorge1940 6 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 The 10 Commandments aren't a part of Mosaic law. That's you're lack of understanding, not mine.
I don't follow what priests follow I'm not Catholic and reject the Catholic/Alexandrian manuscripts.
Krazie316 6 months ago
@Krazie316 -"When Christ came, he became a perfect eternal sacrifice for all so that we could go to heaven." (Your comment ) ... So without an animal sacrifice (old testament requirement ) we are so full of "SIN" that we cannot enter Heaven ? That's the kicker ! Once that's part of your faith, there is no hope for any other dialogue. By that tenet , you have condemned all Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists... etc.. to the fires of Hell ! Nice religion you got there...
curiousgeorge1940 6 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 Actually even with the animal sacrifice you couldn't go to heaven. the sacrifice was to bring the very best of what you had without blemish and sacrifice it as atonement for sin.
As for the last part of your failed comment...it seems you've neglected to read the part we have never been under that law. Only a specific people from a specific time were under it. Christians came after Christ. hell this entire video explains that to you, but you kats don't read
Krazie316 6 months ago
It also says in Leviticus that you shouldn't wear blended fabrics or eat shellfish - do you do that? Are your fabrics blended? Do you eat shrimp, clams, or lobster? If so you are violating the terms of Leviticus. You can quote the Bible - I am not impressed.
PaulKJHarris 6 months ago
@PaulKJHarris Are you joking are are you just that clueless? THIS VIDEO REJECTS MOSAIC LAW!!! You're bringing up Mosaic Law and asking if I follow it ROFL.
Further evidence atheists don't even watch the video refuting the claims of atheists. It could also be that you just can't comprehend basics or can't read.
Krazie316 6 months ago
Whine don't those wicked atheist just be qu-whine-iet? My Mommy says I don't hafta listen to you I'm just gonna put my fingers in my ears and sing jesuslovesmethis I KNOW forthe BIBLE TELLS ME SO! Laa la laa la laaaaa! You can't see me now when I bow my head in prayer! DADDY! THOSE OTHER KIDS ARE PICKIN' ON ME! I'M TELLIN' ON YOU!
eutahbear1952 6 months ago
@eutahbear1952 It would be a credible comment had I not actually completely refuted the video in question point by point but since I actually sis do that you've failed.
Krazie316 6 months ago
Oh look! Yet another Christian who has disabled ratings on his video. Afraid to see how many people disagree with your hate?
So you can quote the Bible six ways to Sunday. What does that prove if the Bible isn't really divine? We have no proof that it is. It was written by the same authors who wrote all those trashy sex novels back in the 1970s: Anonymous. Maybe the Qur'an is the correct book. Better start quoting it instead. Note that it's written by the same authors. No credibility.
ChipArgyle 6 months ago
@ChipArgyle Ratings reflect popularity, not truth, I could care less what you among other people that can't quote it right think about it.
Furthermore Christians hardly rate videos...if they did do you think atheists would have high ratings and Christians low ones...no they wouldn't.
The rest of your comment is just ridiculous amounts of straight up fallacies.
Krazie316 6 months ago
Thank god someone is shutting that stupid guy up!
matthewspera 6 months ago
Your bible verses don't prove anything, and it's interesting to see how insecure you are that you must go out and further marginalize other people who are on the outskirts of 'acceptable' society.
You are a bad person.
AtheistExplains 6 months ago
@AtheistExplains Alright let's begin ripping you pathetic comment to shreds.
1. you addressed no argument in the video...fail
2. I marginalized no one I addressed an argument put forth and destroyed it
3. you end your post with an ad hominem attack which refers to your opinion and yours alone, not fact.
Conclusion: "Explain" to me how this makes you a good person, or your comment credible.
Krazie316 6 months ago
@Krazie316 You still seem very full of yourself and your ability to 'rip to shreds'. Your tough guy act isn't impressing anyone.
Your entire video fails, pretending that some ancient writings prove whatever points about the supernatural you are trying to make. You use your bible to prove your bible.
You've given up your right to think and instead replaced it with an ancient book that does your thinking for you.
AtheistExplains 6 months ago
@AtheistExplains There;s no tough guy act, LOL again you've failed to address something that actually exists.
My video doesn't reside on proving God you deaf goon, HAHAHAHA The video refutes points that another atheist brought up in scripture. My video uses scripture as did the atheist to prove him wrong.
It has nothing to do with proving the bible.
You've therefore failed and cannot be taken seriously
Krazie316 6 months ago
@Krazie316 Says the person who calls Zinnia an "unstable creature" and a "wannabe female homosexual really is a male."
Explain to me how that makes you a good person, sir.
TheOtherHolly 6 months ago
@TheOtherHolly That's a fact...anyone that is a male pretending to be/thinking they're or can ever be a woman is an unstable creature.
Krazie316 6 months ago
@Krazie316 Except they're not. That is actually how some people find stability in their life. Ever heard of transsexuals? They feel like they're in the wrong body, so they get surgeries done. Would you rather that they live with that feeling?
You actually come off as the horrible person here. Not that you're going to care, but you have a right to know.
Also, I don't think you understand what a logical fallacy is.
TheOtherHolly 6 months ago
@TheOtherHolly Actually they are unstable. A feeling is not a fact...fact is they are what they are born, not the opposite. The only ones that can claim they feel a certain way is a hermaphrodite, they had the unfortunate dealing of a genetic error.
Your opinion of my is irelevant to my life as I come off as a great person to many others. My opinion is unchanged. I understand greatly what a logical fallacy is.
Krazie316 6 months ago
@Krazie316 Please explain to me how they are unstable. Gender has absolutely nothing to do with stability. And who are you to say who can and can't claim anything? No one, that's who.
No, you apparently don't because when you're insulted, it's ad hominem, but when you insult others, it's not. Your hypocrisy is astounding and you're rather pathetic.
TheOtherHolly 6 months ago
@TheOtherHolly Anyone that thinks they are what they are clearly not is unstable, period.
Again yes I do, it's an ad hominem anytime you insult someone but the difference is do you have the intellect to actually make an argument with the crap flinging or are you too ignorant and ill educated to make a point with substance. THAT'S what I said not to do but you're apparently not bright enough to read a simple annotation.
YOU FAIL
Krazie316 6 months ago