@TheWolverineTimes Last time Minnesota beat Michigan at home was I think 1977 or so (I know Minnesota beat Michigan twice since then but both times were at the Big House).
Anyone else notice on Fegans run at 5:08 that he taps the Michigan player and he falls down purposely to make room for Fegan to run? Pretty clever I think
@InRichRodWeTrust He (pooledan1) actually wanted us to lose every game so that are coach would get fired. I could never do this against my team, even if the coach was Satan himself. Go Blue!
@joshquist You can say that again. I mean why must she be with College Football even the NFL or the NBA. I wish she'd leave because she is so dumb along with Doris Burke.
what i wouldnt give to meet poole1dan and smack the shit outta him...every video i see he's bashing either the coaches or a player on the team...your talking about kids that are just outta high school being sucky...they're kids..they all make mistakes man..grow up
@vandals989 I agree. He is absolutely a disgrace to Michigan athletics whether it be Football, Golf, or whatever else. He actually wanted us to lose every game so that are coach would get fired. I could never do this against my team, even if the coach was Satan himself. Go Blue!
@vandals989 I agree. He (pooledan1) is absolutely a disgrace to Michigan athletics whether it be Football, Golf, or whatever else. He actually wanted us to lose every game so that are coach would get fired. I could never do this against my team, even if the coach was Satan himself. Go Blue!
This game shows that when those players get it all together, even that 3-9 team could be a pretty good team. It's not the talent that's lacking. It's only a matter of time...once everyone becomes comfortable with the new regime, game on baby.
You know what's good about this year though ... last year we went into games (ie @ OSU , @ Penn State ... etc) knowing that we were going to lose ... this year, there are ZERO games that we don't have a great shot at winning. don't get me wrong, no way michigan has a 10 win season or something like that ... but the fact of the matter is INDIVIDUALLY speaking we can win every game ... which is why i'm very excited for the season!
I think that by the end of that season we were finally beginning to click as a team, it just took a lot of injuries and a lot of mistakes to get there. Next season will be a lot better, no question about it in my mind, it's just a matter of having faith and coming together, especially in the offensive line and in the secondary.
the way I look at it is that we have Stonum, Hemingway, Stokes, Gordon, Mathews, and Roundtree, so we have great talent there no matter who is starting, this season might be pretty good!
Stonum will be good, but the thing is that Hemingway is a little more impressive to me as of right now. Oh and Braylon Edwards was a 3-star, thought I'd mention that too. So was pat white, steve slaton was a 2-star.
Wolverineboss, Stonum isn't better just because he was ranked higher when he was being recruited. Is kevin Grady better than Mike Hart? Grady was a 5-star recruit, Mike was a 3-star recruit. Point is, rankings don't matter until they actually play. I can list so many other guys who were ranked higher, but the lower ranked guy performed better throughout his career. Hemingway made a great catch in the utah game, then he got mono and had to be medically redshirted for the season.
I don't want to get in the middle of the arguing, but I'd take Hemingway over Stonum just because Stonum drops way to many easy balls. Like in the MSU game, when you're wide open at the goal lin and the ball hits your arms and bounces off, you're no good. In the illinois game, when you have the cb beaten and all you have to do is make the catch for a td and you drop it, you're bad.
This is my take on Stonum: He is young, some of those drops will go away with maturity. What I do like about him a lot is that he is a good physical prospect. I think he just needs some time to grow in his position.
lol poole1dan i'm just goign to keep repeating your prediction for michigan...
5-7.
you know i was looking at their games last year... tell me if you agree with this. if we had gotten terrelle pryor, we could have just as easily gone 9-3 in the regular season as 3-9. it sounds ridiculous, but most of our losses were very close. only god could have changed our losses at PSU, Ohio state, and home to illinois, but give us a good qb, and that all changes. remember my man
Obviously the offense should be better, but the defense, Greg Robinson has already made some moves that I couldn't agree more with, he's puttin stevie brown at more of a linebacker than safety, cause we all know he sucks at safety, he'll still play brown at some safety, but at least he's movin ppl around to where they fit best based of of their abilities.
If we had to pick any year to go 3-9, I'd say that last season was best cause we had our hardest games all on the road (osu, notre dame, psu). Now since we have a qb, and everybody has a year of experience, we should do soooooo muc better this year.
The only win that was a real win-no pain involved. It just shows you that UM OWNS THE JUG! (By the way Poole1Dan, I couldn't have said it better myself. I've wanted to say that to RichRod's face, but I never had the chance.)
Poodle1Dan, Stonum got thrown to like 12 times this year, and he is a freshman learning a new system, and half those passes were shit because Sheridan or Threet were throwing them!
Stonum caught 14 passes, so by that fact alone, he got thrown the ball to way more then 12 times. Stonum's performance last season made Mario manninghams performance against Ohio State in 2007 look like an All American performance in comparison. Stonum sucks. he can't catch shit, he can't get seperation from defenders (which means he has bad vision and runs poor routes). and he's not even that fast (high 4.5 or low 4.6 speed). he's shitty.
yeah, but look at what Manningham and Arrington did in 2007 when they had Mallet throwing them the ball. And don't tell me that "noooooo! Stonum was a freshman whereas super Mario and A2 were juniors!" a 2 year difference in experience cannot possibly explain such a huge descrpency in performance between Super Mario & A2 and Shitty Stonum.
BTW, there are transfor rumors surrounding Stonum. HAHA!!!
dude what the hell r u talking about stonum is not shitty not transfering and mallet could actually throw a ball more accurate the a walk on freshman and steven threet and STOP HATING ON MICHIGAN so called "fan"
Yes, Stonum is shitty. He was a starting outside receiver, got the ball thrown to him lots of times, yet only had 14 catches for 176 yards and 1 TD (a third of those yards came on that flukish 51 yarder against Purdue). Stonum drops practically everything, can't get seperation from defenders,(which is indicative of extremely poor route running and a lack of speed), is an awful blocker, and is a below average leaper. He's the most overrated receiver Michigan has had the last decade or so.
he runs a fuckin 4.4 he got a td in the spring game and if u didnt watch the spring game now actually blocks on screens now just because he had 14 catches 176 and 1 td doesnt mean he sucks ...and i hate cnn lol
His 4.4 speed is obviously just track speed, cause on the field, he's slow as hell. And why the fuck are you bosting about his spring game performance? He had 5 catches for 32 yards and a short TD catch. He averaged fucking 6.4 YPC! Thats pathetic! Stonum sucks balls, and god forbid if he starts at outside receivers opposiet Mathews next season. Also, Adrian Arrington had 67 for 882 and 8 TD as the second receiver. Steve breaston had 58 for 670 and 2 TD in 2006.
(and I should mention that I and millions of others though Breaston was a bust as a receiver at Michigan). Jason Avant had over 40 catches in 2003 and 2004. Ronald Bellamy had 49 for 552 and 5 TD in 2002 working opposite Braylon Edwards. If you have 14 catches for 176 yards and 1 TD as a starting outside receiver, you suck, period. Stonum is awful. He makes me want to dry heave just watching him play. Start Junior Hemingway please!
did they have threet or sheridan throw to them? no those two qbs were the worst qbs for michigan tha past 30 years avant breaston arrington bellamy they had at least decent qb's in navarre and henne oh and if stonum sucks why dont u look at his offers on rivals
No. But in 2007, Arrington had Mallet throwing to him for half the season. In 2002, Bellamy had an erratic John Navarre throwing to him. Early in 200, when Navarre had to start cause Henson was hurt, David Terrell and marquis Walker still put up good stats (and Michigan went 3-1). Stop making pathetic excuses for Stonums shittiness. Its not Sheridan and Threets fault that hec an't catch for shit, or get seperation from the DB
@Poole1Dan All of your thoughts in hind sight are idiotic. Threet is killing it at Arkansas and is a future NFL player. Your are incredibly wrong in every statement I have ever read, and I hate your face.
"if stonum sucks why dont u look at his offers on rivals"
Stonum was a top 50 recruit with offers from USC and Florida. Thats great. But it doesn't matter anymore, cause Stonum has proved he isn't worth a damn on the college field. Its perfectly fine to hype up a players highschool resume. I do that all the time with unproven recruits who i like. But once he starts on the college field, all bets are off. Stonum was a great recruit, but he's a shitty college player
"carlos brown and brandon minor diodnt have a GREAT freshman year so they must suck too huh?"
Actually, Minor had 42 carries for 238 yards (a very impressive 5.9 YPC) and 2 forty yard touchdowns as the top sub to Mike Hart. And Carlos Brown didn't play hardly at all in 2006. He was the 5th tailback that season. Stonum, on the other hand, was a damn starter, and he sucked miserably. He should be buried on the bench.
Sheridan yes. But Threet? Nope. Threet's completion percentage was 8 points higher, and his TD two int ratio was better. Threet was better then Mallet. Navarre, if you remeber, was terribly erratic throughout 2000 and 2001 and the first half of 2002. It wasn't until the 27-24 win over Penn State that Navarre became an All Big Ten QB. Furthermore, you absolutely cannot explain the discrepency between Stonum and the other guys by chalking it up to QB play.
@Poole1Dan It's easy to have better stats when you play in a system that passes the ball on screens 6 of 10 pass plays. Do you even watch the games or just look at stats? Have you ever played football? And if so where? Did your mom drop you on the head???
You can blame the QB's for Stonum not having a great freshmen season like Mario Manningham did in 2005, but you blame the QB's for Stonum being terrible. Its not threets fault that Stonum has the dropsies, or that he can't get seperation from defenders, or that he's a poor leaper. and the implementation of a new system didn't stop Greg Mathews from catching 35 passes for 407 yards, or tight end Kevin Koger from averaging 15.5 yards per catch and being a big play threat.
What are you? 5 years old? I never said that you think Stonum is terrible. I said I'm glad you think Hemingway should start. You're a fucking child. I'm done with you.
actually, he had 3 big plays, and when you consider he had all of 6 catches on the season, that means he made a big play on 50% of his touches. Contrast this with Stonum, who made 3 big plays on 14 of his catches (and dropped many moor passes then he made big plays). Koger was a playmaker despite the bad QB play. Stonum was shitty all the same.
"Mathews was the #1 target so he clearly got more balls thrown his way"
you're a dumbass.You obviously didn't watch any of the games. Shitavious Odoms was the NO.1 target. Stonum got roughly the same amount of balls thrown his way as Mathews (Mathews had a little more). And here mathews has 21 more catches and 300 more yards.
"Also, your logic is skewed because you are comparing one full time starter to a true frosh who didn't start until what?"
Nope. Mathews started 11 games (missed the Miami game due to injury), Stonum started 10, and Hemingway started 1 (the Miami game, in which Mathews was hurt). Mathews and Stonum started the same amout of games and had roughly the same No.1 of ablls thrown their way. Yet, look at the stat descrepency. Stonum's shitty stats are due to Stonum, not the QB play.
"How the hell can anyone with ANY knowledge of football classify a true frosh as "bad" after one season?"
If something smells like shit, looks like shit, and says "shit," on it, then its properly called shit un til it proves otherwise. If Stonum somehow ends up starting, I hope he becomes a star, But from what we've seen so far, he's a shitty player. You are ignorant and stupid if you deny that.
also, freshmen receivers have a much higher success rate then freshmen at any other position. Ergo, they deserve to be put under the most scrutiny for their performances in their freshmen seasons (assumnig they saw sufficient playing time, which is obviously the case with Stonum, who started 10 fucking games).
again: if Stonumk ends up being a start, thats great. But so far, he's played like shit. we'll see what happens to him in the future.
"Especially when his production is dependent on qb/o-line play"
you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. How is Stonums play dependent on the o-line? Brandon Minor is a tailback, and his play is a billion times more dependent on the o-line then a fucknig receiver, and look what he did: 5.2 YPC and 11 TD's! I've already addressed and dissetced the QB situation. You're making god-awful excuses for Stonums shittiness. fuck you.
@Poole1Dan its the spread idiot it it is set up for the inside receivers to take advantage of match ups. You know nothing of football and you are not a true Michigan fan. You wanted us to lose all of our games, I think you are an tOSU fan theway you make ludicrous assumptions. He was a freshman and has gotten better every year, you know like the receivers you named up above (Manningham, Arrington). Go BLue! Fuck Toole1Dan!
There were rumors from Josh Helmholdt that Stonum was transfering. Stonum came out and denied this on his myspace page, but then again, we all know what Shavorick Beaver was saying about Michigan. if and when Stonum gets BURIED on the bench by Junior Hemingway, Roy Roundtree, and even James Rogers, he'll be a prime candidate to transfer. Helmholdt doesn't make shit up for the hell of it.
Wow. You're pathetic. I hate on Stonum, so therefore, I'm hating on Michigan. You should work for CNN. They'd love you and your laughable logical fallacies.
He injured his AC joint in his shoulder and had some type of sickness as well. He didn't play the rest of the season. He redshirted so he has another year of eligibility.
Hemingway went down with mono after the 4th game and didn't play the rest of the season. He took a redshirt in 08, and next season, it looks like he'll be starting at outside receiver opposite Greg Mathews. hemnigway is areally good. he showed it as our 4th receiver in 2007. He's certainly better then darryl Stonum
Yes he is. Hemingway pwons Stonum. He's faster, more athletic, has much better hands, is more experienced, is a better leaper, and is a better blocker. Hemingway will be starting at outside receiver in 2009 opposiyte Mathews. Stonum is absolutely terrible
of the fastest WR's on Michigan running in the 4.4's. So you're wrong on that one. Second, there is no way in hell he's more athletic than Stonum. Third if you are saying he's more experienced than Stonum because he's a Sophomore and Stonum is a Freshman you are wrong on that too. It all comes down to RichRod's system. Hemingway as a Frosh caught 4 balls for 37 yards and only started 1 game.
"of the fastest WR's on Michigan running in the 4.4's"
Hemingway runs a 4.4 as well, and from what I saw on the field, Hemingway is definitely faster then Stonum
"there is no way in hell he's more athletic than Stonum"
yes there is. Remember that 33 yard TD catch against Utah? or the 23 yarder in 07 asgainst EMU? Hemingway is like Marquis Walker when it comes to athleticism. Stonum is terribl;e at adjusting to the ball when its thrown to him, and he has very poor moves in the open field
" Third if you are saying he's more experienced than Stonum because he's a Sophomore and Stonum is a Freshman you are wrong on that too"
well, Hemingway might not be more experienced in the sense he's seen the field more, but he's more of a "veteran," if you will. As far as PT goes, Stonum has a slight edge. Hemingway might have had only 4 for 37 in 07, but remember, he was the 4th receiver behind Manningham, Arrington, and Mathews.
As a Sophomore he caught 6 balls for 78 yards and a TD before getting hurt. Now Stonum as a Frosh started 10 games and caught 14 balls for 176 yards and a TD. You do the math. Now if Hemingway would of stayed healthy in 2008 it might of been different. I'm not knocking Hemingway at all... as a matter of fact I thought he was great when he was playing.
"Now Stonum as a Frosh started 10 games and caught 14 balls for 176 yards and a TD. You do the math. "
if you're tryingt to prove that Stonum is better then Mathews, this is a bad argument. Hemnigway played only 4 games before gonig down for the season with mono. Stonum started 10 games. Thats the law of probability. It has nothin to do with stonum being better then hemingway
The only knock on Stonum right now as far as I know is that he needs to work on his route running. So with you saying that Stonum is "absolutely terrrible" means you know nothing about Michigan football. I'll bet you 20 dollars Stonum will be starting with Mathews come opening game in 2009.
"The only knock on Stonum right now as far as I know is that he needs to work on his route running."
that, and he drops everything, has limited athleticism, is an awful blocker, and is not a very good leaper. Stonum is incredibly overrated. He might be servicable later on in his career, but right now, he needs to stay on the bench...where he belongs
"So with you saying that Stonum is "absolutely terrrible" means you know nothing about Michigan football"
dude if you REALLY THINK THAT you are a tool, sorry dude I've read a couple of your posts and agree with just about everyone else that you have NO F***ing clue what you are talking about,
"I'll bet you 20 dollars Stonum will be starting with Mathews come opening game in 2009"
I'll take that bet. you know of any online betting sites? oh, and FWIW, Brian Cook (who ardently supports Rodriguez and every player he throws out there) thinks that Stonum played poorly in 2008 and that Hemingway will be the starter on opening day next season.
how much have you seen of hemingway?no, seriously?and what are you talking about cal?stonums from TEXAS, will hemingway be better than stonum? maybe, but i've seen NO evidence to make me think so, if you think so you are crazy! watch some of the catch's stonum made in the ND game, WHO HAD THE LONGEST REC OF THE YEAR, stonum. I just can't agree that hemingway will be better when he's caught 6 balls in his career, and as for stonum having a poor year HE WAS A FRESHMAN, with a poor QB situation!
I've seen enough to know he's better then Stonum. Watch the games. Hemingway is clearly better then Stonum
"stonums from TEXAS"
right. my bad. the point I was making was that although Stonum saw tougher HS competition then Hemingway, hemingway still saw tough HS competition. Hemingways HS (conway) is a consistent top 10 national HS
2007-Hemingway, J. 10 games 4 ctch 37 yard 9.2 avg 0 td 23 lng 3.7 ypg,
2008IN NONE OF THEM GAMES DID I SAY, "DANG YOU KNOW THAT HEMINGWAY SURE IS IMPRESSIVE", YOU CANNOT TAKE RANDOM NAMES AND SAY they are gonna be better than someone when nothing on the field or in the weight room suggests so, in fact all eveidence points to him being yeah you guessed it A BENCH WARMER, Im not saying he wont be good but where is the evidence he is better th stonum
"2007-Hemingway, J. 10 games 4 ctch 37 yard 9.2 avg 0 td 23 lng 3.7 ypg"
Antonio Bass only had 8 catches for 64 yards in 2005, and we all know bass was destined to be a superstar. Hemingway was the bloody 4th receiver in 2007, while Manningham and Arrington were the starters and Mathews was the top guy in the slot. Of course Hemingway put up minuscule stats. He showed enough in his time as the 4thr eceiver that he is the real deal (see the EMU game).
"2008IN NONE OF THEM GAMES DID I SAY, "DANG YOU KNOW THAT HEMINGWAY SURE IS IMPRESSIVE", YOU CANNOT TAKE RANDOM NAME"
Look at the Utah game, where had had 2 catches for 41 yards and a long TD despite seeing limited time as Stonums substitute. thatw as an impresive game. Look at the Miami game, where his block sprang Odoms lose fro that 50 yard reception. hemnigway only played in 4 games last season, and he was impressive in 2 of them. you are blind
you are full of shit. Hemingway runs a faster 40 then Stonum. He's bigger. He jumps higher. he catches everything, where as Stonum drops everything. And for all intents and purposes, he has betterc areer stats. Hemingway puts up 60 catches if he starts 10 games like shitty as Stonum did. hemingway has made big plays in 2 of his 6 carrer catches, Stonum has only made 2 on his 14 career catches. Hemingway has the same number of TD catches then Stonum depsite seeing much less PT
"in fact all eveidence points to him being yeah you guessed it A BENCH WARMER"
only in your fucked up brain. Even Brian Cook admits that Hemingway will eb starting over Stonum enxt season. You ahve a boner for Stonum cause he's dickrod's boy, when the facts prove that Stonum is awful and is much worse then Hemingway. Get your head out of dickrods ass. stonum is much more lilely to be a carerr benchwarmer then Hemingway, who has "star" written all over him.
"but i've seen NO evidence to make me think so, if you think so you are crazy!"
then you are blind. Hemingway has clearly shown he is He's faster, more athletic, has much better hands, is more experienced, is a better leaper, and is a better blocker. Hemingway will be starting at outside receiver in 2009 opposite Mathews. Stonum is absolutely terrible
"yeah right last years starting depth chart didnt even list him"
No shit sherlock. he missed 8 of 12 games. of course he wasn't listed on the depth chart (in the games he missed, anyways). I'll admit that Stonum has an edge over Hemingway as far as recruiting hype goes, and if both these guys had never seen the field before, then you could definitely say Stonum is better then Hemingway. But that is not the case. We ahve seen both these guys on the field, and its clear that hemingway is better
actually, hemingway didn't starft the first game because:
1. dickrod had a boner for Stonum just like you do and insisted on starting Stonum voer Hemingway inspite of all the evidence hsowing Hemingway should be the man
2. Hemingway had that wrist injury or whatever it was he was battling, whereas Stonum was 100 healthy
Hemingway: 1 career start; 6 for 78 and 1 TD
Stonum: 10 starts; 14 for 176 and 1 TD
Hemingway is so much better then Stonum its laughable
where dud you get those stats???? because they are completely wrong! HA HA HA, did you mean 2 for 41 with 1 td???? You know you invent and distort information, there was once a group of people who did that too, they were called NAZI's? whats you real name goebbels??and FIND A NEW TEAM, IF YOUR A UM FAN YOU WOULDNT HATE THE COACH THEY HIRED THE FIRST TWO YEARS YOU WOULD SUPPORT THEM AND WANT US TO WIN. GO BE AN tOSU FAN THEY LOVE FAIR WEATHER FANS!
"where dud you get those stats???? because they are completely wrong! "
find. live in denail. Hemingway has only started one game in his career (the Miami game), and his career stats are 6 catches for 78 yards and 1 TD. On the other hand, Stonum has started 10 games, and his career stats are 14 catches for 176 yrds and 1 TD.
WTF are you talking about? Those were his stats from the Utah game....a game he didn'ty even start. You've lost me. and whats this shit with you calling me a nazi? I must really be kicking your girly ass in this debate for you to call me a nazi. You're a punk ass bitch
"IF YOUR A UM FAN YOU WOULDNT HATE THE COACH THEY HIRED THE FIRST TWO YEARS"
we went fucknig 3-9 last season despite having 41 players on the team who were 4 or 5 star prospects (among other things). fuck that shit. dickrod is a terrible head coach. he should be FIRED,
" YOU WOULD SUPPORT THEM AND WANT US TO WIN."
I DO want us to win. I just don't think dickrod is the answer
I get your frustration, but I don't get how you can properly judge a coach after one year. Wouldn't it make more sense to look at what he did at West Virginia, rather than base it on Rich Rod's 1st season. He 1) didn't have his recruits 2) most players on O were inexperienced and wouldn't have played if not for injuries and attrition 3) new to a system. It's way too early to judge and call for his firing.
and hey buddy hemingway DOES NOT run a faster 40, wheres your info give me a link, oh wait you can't because YOU MAKE SHIT UP. I have been posting links because I don't have to make shit up unless its changed rivals said hemingway ran a 4.5 and stonum a 4.4, so maybe they are the same speed. but seriously lets have some links!
"DOES NOT run a faster 40, wheres your info give me a link"
Rivals says Hemingway runs a 4.46, and Stonum runs a 4.49 (thats what I read when I had my free 7 day rivals insider account; I'll admit it says hemnigway runs a 4.5 and Stonum runs a 4.4 on the public view, but obviosuly this isn't as reliable as insider stuff)
"I just can't agree that hemingway will be better when he's caught 6 balls in his career"
hemingway was the bloody 4th receiver in 2007 and missed most of the season in 08. No wonder he has only 6 career catches. Stonum, on the other hand, has started 10 career games to Hemingways's 1 and STILL only has 8 more careeer catches then Hemingway.
yeah that might be true but threet/sheridan notoriously missed wide open recievers this year
plus in 2007 there where 423 pass att in 2008 there were only 338, In RR's offense altot of passes went to the RB/slot guy so once again you try and compare two totally different things.
"yeah that might be true but threet/sheridan notoriously missed wide open recievers this year"
so did Ryan mallet. You can't bitch about Stonum (or any other receiver) having a struggling QB when Manningham and arrington had to deal with the same shit in 2007
"plus in 2007 there where 423 pass att in 2008 there were only 338"
yeah, but threet put up better stats then Mallet did, and yet look how much worse Stonum was then Manningham and Arrington. thats my point
"WE PASSED BEHIND HE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE 2 out of 3 times YOU MORON!"
you definitely did not watch a single game last season. Threet threw downfield as much or nearly as much as Mallet did. The only difference between Threet and Mallet was threet threw more bubble screens. Look at any of the games Threet started: he was a downfield passer. Even dickrod knows you can't win a football game by dinking and dunking your way down the field. 2 out of 3 were not behind the line of scrimmage. you lie.
"In RR's offense altot of passes went to the RB/slot guy so once again you try and compare two totally different things"
Alot of passes do indeed go to the slot receivers, but if you look at dickrods hisotry at WVU, about an equal amount to go the outside gusy as well. Ergo, how do you explain Greg Mathews having 35 catches for 400 yards and 2 TD's where as Stonum has 14 for 176 and 1 TD? Here's how; Mathews is elgit; Stonum sucks.
stop defending a shitty receiver like Darryl Stonum
dude you are a moron, Im not the only one to tell you that. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALLKING ABOUT EVER, i gave you facts and links and all you can come up with is BS, yeah i guess matthews would have more catch's I mean he is a junior and been playing alot longer, you trully r a tool!
you didn't give me shit. Your trying to tell me how Stonum is better then hemingway, and you don't back up any of yuor arguments. My arguments speak for themselves. read them again. They are all backed up by facts and stats
"i guess matthews would have more catch's I mean he is a junior and been playing alot longer"
him being a junior and Stonum being a freshmen means nothing. Manniongham had more catches then breaston in 05 despite breaston beibng a junior and Manningham bring a frosh
well your right mathews is better, but dick head we were talking about femingwat being better then stonum and YOU STILL HAVENT PROVIDED ANY FACTS OR LINKS TO YOUR INFORMATION, if this was school you would fail, you can't just manufacture info, and the only info you have posted hasn't even been right
"but dick head we were talking about femingwat being better then stonum"
Actually, in that particular context, we were talknig about if Stonum is a good or bad receiver, not if he is better then hemingway. I was mearly pointing out (using facts and stats) that Stonum is indeed a shitty ass receiver.
"YOU STILL HAVENT PROVIDED ANY FACTS OR LINKS TO YOUR INFORMATION"
yes I have. But sicne you can't read, I'll make myself clear again:
-Stonum has only 8 more career catches, 98 more yards, and the exact same number of TD catches as hemnigway despite having started 10 more games. Imagine if Hemingway had started 10 games like Stonum has. In that case, Hemingway would ahve like 70 career catches and 10 TD's, making him that much better then stonum.
Junior Hemingway is better then Darryl Stonum......much better. The facts prove this. GHet your head out of dickrods ass and face reality: stonum sucks, whereas Hemingway has star written all over him. Stonum MIGHT start in his senior season of 2011, but in 09 and 10 he'll be a BENCHWARMER, and even in 11, he's be hard pressed to beat out Ricardo Miller, Cameron Gordon, and the like. Stonum proved his shittiness last season. For that he deserves to ride the pine.
Braylon Edwards had more catches in 2002 then Ronald Bellamy even though Edwards was a sophomore and Bellamy was a senior. David Terrell had more catches in 1999 then marcus Knight even though Terrell was a sophomore and Knight was a senior
Mathews had more catches then Stonum cause he's 10 times BETTER then Stonum, not because he has more experience. Stonum sucks. admit it.
give me a fucknig break. Steve Breaston and Mario manningham were also freshmen, and they put up much better stats then Stonum did their freshmen years. And in 2007, Mario manningham and adrian Arrington had Ryan mallet throwing to them alot of the time and they put much better stats then Stonum despite Mallet being a worse QB statistically then Threet. so both these arguments are shot down.
@Poole1Dan Wrong again Bitch. Stonums the starter. Hemingway (as I said could be good) is allergic to the field. That makes Stonum better because he actually plays.
Is it possible that Mike Barwis' intense strength and conditioning program burnt out many of the players of Lloyd's recruits since they aren't really built for that kind of work out?
I've heard that it takes players at least one year to get accustomed to RichRods offense and Brawis' work regiment. Just wondering.
I can see that, but the defense was bound to wear out as the season went on when they spent anywhere from 35-45 minutes per game on the field. Also lack of talent, experience, or both at some positions didn't help much either.
Forcier will easily improve our offense, and our record. I'm sad with McGuffie leaving, but Minor was a BEAT last year when he was healthy, and along with Shaw, and Touissant coming in, it shouldn't be too bad.
I'm curious as to who will be our new Defensive Coordinator though. Hopefully we get someone that's already got a good track record on his resume, and will quickly fix our defensive woes.
It's a debate between the better win, this one, or the wisconsin one. I just don't know. We played so good in this game. Don't worry thegov1020, the losing will be over, we got a talented recruiting class coming in, including the next colt mccoy, Tate Forcier! He's accurate (77% completion percentage), runs a 4.5 forty, and will only get better and faster with mike barwis and company! We'll be back, everybody has a down year or two once in a while. USC was bad once, imagine that!
Ya, but it's hard to tell right now. A true freshman will be a true freshman. And I do certainly believe he is obviously more fitted in a RR offense than our current qb's And since he's enrolling early, I just feel that he has a head start for next season, and he may not be a STAR right away, but he'll certainly have better progress and skills than the other guys. But, who knows, people can improve a lot over the offseason.
He won't have NEARLY as many downs than the Threet/Sherridan combination. Forcier with increase our win total from 3 to 6 or 7 alone. And if our D can get their act together, then we're back in contention in the Big Ten.
I'm not gonig to put my eggs in one nest, but I think Greg Robinson could be our ace in the hole. The guy has had great success as a defensive coordinator everywhere he's been-Texas, Denver, even Kansas City, where the Chiefs were among the NFL's ebst in forcing turnovers when he was there (he gets alot of unjust flack for his 3 season stinit in KC). I really hope Robinson gets our defense together, cause we've got LOTS of talent there.
Yeah, and I'm sure that the fact the offense went three and out all the time and kept the D on the field made them completely exhausted by the half. I don't think the offense is going to sputter like that again, so I think we're gonig to be MUCH improved this year. I predict at least a return to a bowl game.
Sorry. I made the mistake of taping over that game. I didn't think it was going to be a big deal at the time because I thought I'd tape a better game over it...then the rest of the season happened and...you know.
these anti-RR idiots need to go the way of Justin Boren--just go. we'll gladly accept you back onto the bandwagon next year when we're in the upper echelon of the BIG TEN.
Vince Lombardi would have had trouble squeezing a bowl appearance out of this team. they were the youngest team in the country.
@TheWolverineTimes Last time Minnesota beat Michigan at home was I think 1977 or so (I know Minnesota beat Michigan twice since then but both times were at the Big House).
MVillani1985 3 months ago
@TheWolverineTimes
AND kept our 34 year bowl streak intact!!!!!!!
commodorefan2 5 months ago
Anyone else notice on Fegans run at 5:08 that he taps the Michigan player and he falls down purposely to make room for Fegan to run? Pretty clever I think
MgoMuse 11 months ago
The dark ages of Michigan football my friends.
16Wolverine1997 1 year ago
ZOLTAN!
chriscowan626 1 year ago
if only michigan's kicker was THIS good in todays games :(
dieforskittles 1 year ago
I want to burn Pam Ward. She's so annoying. ESPN get her the fuck off.
JisAllOverYourFace 1 year ago
@InRichRodWeTrust He (pooledan1) actually wanted us to lose every game so that are coach would get fired. I could never do this against my team, even if the coach was Satan himself. Go Blue!
jzirpoli 1 year ago
Pam Ward seriously sucks.
joshquist 1 year ago 12
@joshquist You can say that again. I mean why must she be with College Football even the NFL or the NBA. I wish she'd leave because she is so dumb along with Doris Burke.
jazzalex22 1 year ago
if they played like that all season we would have been like, 10-3
MgoMuse 1 year ago 8
12-0 in the Metrodome. GO BLUE
themike95 1 year ago
Michigan has always owned the Gophers.
KeepRockin55 2 years ago
what i wouldnt give to meet poole1dan and smack the shit outta him...every video i see he's bashing either the coaches or a player on the team...your talking about kids that are just outta high school being sucky...they're kids..they all make mistakes man..grow up
vandals989 2 years ago
@vandals989 I agree. He is absolutely a disgrace to Michigan athletics whether it be Football, Golf, or whatever else. He actually wanted us to lose every game so that are coach would get fired. I could never do this against my team, even if the coach was Satan himself. Go Blue!
jzirpoli 1 year ago
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@vandals989 I agree. He (pooledan1) is absolutely a disgrace to Michigan athletics whether it be Football, Golf, or whatever else. He actually wanted us to lose every game so that are coach would get fired. I could never do this against my team, even if the coach was Satan himself. Go Blue!
jzirpoli 1 year ago
Death, taxes, and UM winning in Minnesota.
chrisuncleahmad 2 years ago
This game shows that when those players get it all together, even that 3-9 team could be a pretty good team. It's not the talent that's lacking. It's only a matter of time...once everyone becomes comfortable with the new regime, game on baby.
BillyBong05 2 years ago
7:28 - if you're a michigan fan you just gotta LOVE tay odoms blocking like that ...
Go Blue!
HailToTheVictors21 2 years ago
To all the Sheridan haters out there,
Fuck off. He went through hell last year. he's a walk on, I mean damn.
Apparently he's got as much heart as anyone and wants the starting job this year, so kudos to him for giving his all.
djkret111 2 years ago
cameroncrazie won on the field not on paper man
theunionrocks 2 years ago
You know what's good about this year though ... last year we went into games (ie @ OSU , @ Penn State ... etc) knowing that we were going to lose ... this year, there are ZERO games that we don't have a great shot at winning. don't get me wrong, no way michigan has a 10 win season or something like that ... but the fact of the matter is INDIVIDUALLY speaking we can win every game ... which is why i'm very excited for the season!
Go BLue!
HailToTheVictors21 2 years ago
that jug aint never leavin home!!!!!!
LOseIDon 2 years ago
I think that by the end of that season we were finally beginning to click as a team, it just took a lot of injuries and a lot of mistakes to get there. Next season will be a lot better, no question about it in my mind, it's just a matter of having faith and coming together, especially in the offensive line and in the secondary.
harveybullocks1281 2 years ago
Brandon Minor gots a burst
burningblaze119 2 years ago
9-4? hahaha.
they'll improve, but not that much. they're gunna lose to OSU, PSU, ND, Illinois and Iowa.
I see them haviong a similar season like ND had in 2008, a greatly improved year, but with close losses. I say 6-6, MAYBE 7-5.
In 2010, however, they'll win 8-9(+?) games.
cameroncrazie818 2 years ago
LOL i think K.C. LoPota is hunched back haha
MGBLUE991 2 years ago
the way I look at it is that we have Stonum, Hemingway, Stokes, Gordon, Mathews, and Roundtree, so we have great talent there no matter who is starting, this season might be pretty good!
Laxie45 2 years ago
Mathews is a beast!
hogeboon19 2 years ago
I think zetterburg is the best reciever or Mesko. He has really good hands
Henderson711 2 years ago
The Jug will always Be ours!!! go blue
Treynolds23 2 years ago
damn!!! look at Mesko's speed whew i love this new conditioning coach!
welcome2detriot 2 years ago
Stonum will be good, but the thing is that Hemingway is a little more impressive to me as of right now. Oh and Braylon Edwards was a 3-star, thought I'd mention that too. So was pat white, steve slaton was a 2-star.
Go Blue!
goblue918 2 years ago
Wolverineboss, Stonum isn't better just because he was ranked higher when he was being recruited. Is kevin Grady better than Mike Hart? Grady was a 5-star recruit, Mike was a 3-star recruit. Point is, rankings don't matter until they actually play. I can list so many other guys who were ranked higher, but the lower ranked guy performed better throughout his career. Hemingway made a great catch in the utah game, then he got mono and had to be medically redshirted for the season.
Hemingway>Stonum
goblue918 2 years ago
I don't want to get in the middle of the arguing, but I'd take Hemingway over Stonum just because Stonum drops way to many easy balls. Like in the MSU game, when you're wide open at the goal lin and the ball hits your arms and bounces off, you're no good. In the illinois game, when you have the cb beaten and all you have to do is make the catch for a td and you drop it, you're bad.
Kane9891 2 years ago
This is my take on Stonum: He is young, some of those drops will go away with maturity. What I do like about him a lot is that he is a good physical prospect. I think he just needs some time to grow in his position.
AnitaDoobie 2 years ago
lol poole1dan i'm just goign to keep repeating your prediction for michigan...
5-7.
you know i was looking at their games last year... tell me if you agree with this. if we had gotten terrelle pryor, we could have just as easily gone 9-3 in the regular season as 3-9. it sounds ridiculous, but most of our losses were very close. only god could have changed our losses at PSU, Ohio state, and home to illinois, but give us a good qb, and that all changes. remember my man
8-4 next year
Hockeydudermv 2 years ago
Yup, we will suprise quite a few people this year by how good we may just be this year.
Go Blue!
goblue918 2 years ago
Obviously the offense should be better, but the defense, Greg Robinson has already made some moves that I couldn't agree more with, he's puttin stevie brown at more of a linebacker than safety, cause we all know he sucks at safety, he'll still play brown at some safety, but at least he's movin ppl around to where they fit best based of of their abilities.
Go Blue!
goblue918 2 years ago
If we had to pick any year to go 3-9, I'd say that last season was best cause we had our hardest games all on the road (osu, notre dame, psu). Now since we have a qb, and everybody has a year of experience, we should do soooooo muc better this year.
Go Blue!
goblue918 2 years ago
The only win that was a real win-no pain involved. It just shows you that UM OWNS THE JUG! (By the way Poole1Dan, I couldn't have said it better myself. I've wanted to say that to RichRod's face, but I never had the chance.)
commodorefan2 2 years ago
dickrod will get what he has coming to him. and you're right: U-M OWNS the jug!
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
Poodle1Dan, Stonum got thrown to like 12 times this year, and he is a freshman learning a new system, and half those passes were shit because Sheridan or Threet were throwing them!
Laxie45 3 years ago
"Stonum got thrown to like 12 times this year"
Stonum caught 14 passes, so by that fact alone, he got thrown the ball to way more then 12 times. Stonum's performance last season made Mario manninghams performance against Ohio State in 2007 look like an All American performance in comparison. Stonum sucks. he can't catch shit, he can't get seperation from defenders (which means he has bad vision and runs poor routes). and he's not even that fast (high 4.5 or low 4.6 speed). he's shitty.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
" because Sheridan or Threet were throwing them!"
yeah, but look at what Manningham and Arrington did in 2007 when they had Mallet throwing them the ball. And don't tell me that "noooooo! Stonum was a freshman whereas super Mario and A2 were juniors!" a 2 year difference in experience cannot possibly explain such a huge descrpency in performance between Super Mario & A2 and Shitty Stonum.
BTW, there are transfor rumors surrounding Stonum. HAHA!!!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
dude what the hell r u talking about stonum is not shitty not transfering and mallet could actually throw a ball more accurate the a walk on freshman and steven threet and STOP HATING ON MICHIGAN so called "fan"
imkool51391 2 years ago
Yes, Stonum is shitty. He was a starting outside receiver, got the ball thrown to him lots of times, yet only had 14 catches for 176 yards and 1 TD (a third of those yards came on that flukish 51 yarder against Purdue). Stonum drops practically everything, can't get seperation from defenders,(which is indicative of extremely poor route running and a lack of speed), is an awful blocker, and is a below average leaper. He's the most overrated receiver Michigan has had the last decade or so.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
he runs a fuckin 4.4 he got a td in the spring game and if u didnt watch the spring game now actually blocks on screens now just because he had 14 catches 176 and 1 td doesnt mean he sucks ...and i hate cnn lol
imkool51391 2 years ago
His 4.4 speed is obviously just track speed, cause on the field, he's slow as hell. And why the fuck are you bosting about his spring game performance? He had 5 catches for 32 yards and a short TD catch. He averaged fucking 6.4 YPC! Thats pathetic! Stonum sucks balls, and god forbid if he starts at outside receivers opposiet Mathews next season. Also, Adrian Arrington had 67 for 882 and 8 TD as the second receiver. Steve breaston had 58 for 670 and 2 TD in 2006.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
(and I should mention that I and millions of others though Breaston was a bust as a receiver at Michigan). Jason Avant had over 40 catches in 2003 and 2004. Ronald Bellamy had 49 for 552 and 5 TD in 2002 working opposite Braylon Edwards. If you have 14 catches for 176 yards and 1 TD as a starting outside receiver, you suck, period. Stonum is awful. He makes me want to dry heave just watching him play. Start Junior Hemingway please!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
did they have threet or sheridan throw to them? no those two qbs were the worst qbs for michigan tha past 30 years avant breaston arrington bellamy they had at least decent qb's in navarre and henne oh and if stonum sucks why dont u look at his offers on rivals
imkool51391 2 years ago
"did they have threet or sheridan throw to them?"
No. But in 2007, Arrington had Mallet throwing to him for half the season. In 2002, Bellamy had an erratic John Navarre throwing to him. Early in 200, when Navarre had to start cause Henson was hurt, David Terrell and marquis Walker still put up good stats (and Michigan went 3-1). Stop making pathetic excuses for Stonums shittiness. Its not Sheridan and Threets fault that hec an't catch for shit, or get seperation from the DB
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan All of your thoughts in hind sight are idiotic. Threet is killing it at Arkansas and is a future NFL player. Your are incredibly wrong in every statement I have ever read, and I hate your face.
jzirpoli 1 year ago
"if stonum sucks why dont u look at his offers on rivals"
Stonum was a top 50 recruit with offers from USC and Florida. Thats great. But it doesn't matter anymore, cause Stonum has proved he isn't worth a damn on the college field. Its perfectly fine to hype up a players highschool resume. I do that all the time with unproven recruits who i like. But once he starts on the college field, all bets are off. Stonum was a great recruit, but he's a shitty college player
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
carlos brown and brandon minor diodnt have a GREAT freshman year so they must suck too huh?
imkool51391 2 years ago
"carlos brown and brandon minor diodnt have a GREAT freshman year so they must suck too huh?"
Actually, Minor had 42 carries for 238 yards (a very impressive 5.9 YPC) and 2 forty yard touchdowns as the top sub to Mike Hart. And Carlos Brown didn't play hardly at all in 2006. He was the 5th tailback that season. Stonum, on the other hand, was a damn starter, and he sucked miserably. He should be buried on the bench.
Go Blue
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
mallet is better than sheridan and threet, and navarre was better than both of them too. plus they werent implementing a new sytstem
imkool51391 2 years ago
Sheridan yes. But Threet? Nope. Threet's completion percentage was 8 points higher, and his TD two int ratio was better. Threet was better then Mallet. Navarre, if you remeber, was terribly erratic throughout 2000 and 2001 and the first half of 2002. It wasn't until the 27-24 win over Penn State that Navarre became an All Big Ten QB. Furthermore, you absolutely cannot explain the discrepency between Stonum and the other guys by chalking it up to QB play.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
Threet is better than Mallett? Are you drunk? The only thing threet has on Mallett is more transfers to his name.
Suckeyes17 2 years ago
"Threet is better than Mallett?"
Threet: 51% completion percentage
Mallet; 43%
Threet: 9 TD to 7 int
Mallet: 7 TD to 5 int
Threet: 105.7 QB rating
Mallet: 105.3
Threet>>>>>Mallet
Keep on making excuses for Stonumks terible play. You're just making a fool of yourself
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan It's easy to have better stats when you play in a system that passes the ball on screens 6 of 10 pass plays. Do you even watch the games or just look at stats? Have you ever played football? And if so where? Did your mom drop you on the head???
jzirpoli 1 year ago
You can blame the QB's for Stonum not having a great freshmen season like Mario Manningham did in 2005, but you blame the QB's for Stonum being terrible. Its not threets fault that Stonum has the dropsies, or that he can't get seperation from defenders, or that he's a poor leaper. and the implementation of a new system didn't stop Greg Mathews from catching 35 passes for 407 yards, or tight end Kevin Koger from averaging 15.5 yards per catch and being a big play threat.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
where di i ever say stonum was terrible let alone stonum terrible because of qb play?
imkool51391 2 years ago
What are you? 5 years old? I never said that you think Stonum is terrible. I said I'm glad you think Hemingway should start. You're a fucking child. I'm done with you.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
and only a child would result in name calling
imkool51391 2 years ago
Koger had 2 "big plays" all year.
Mathews was the #1 target so he clearly got more balls thrown his way.
Also, your logic is skewed because you are comparing one full time starter to a true frosh who didn't start until what? game #4?
Hemingway and Mathews were th SE's until Hemingway got sick.
So how can you compare production when Mathews played in more games?
Suckeyes17 2 years ago
"Koger had 2 "big plays" all year"
actually, he had 3 big plays, and when you consider he had all of 6 catches on the season, that means he made a big play on 50% of his touches. Contrast this with Stonum, who made 3 big plays on 14 of his catches (and dropped many moor passes then he made big plays). Koger was a playmaker despite the bad QB play. Stonum was shitty all the same.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"Mathews was the #1 target so he clearly got more balls thrown his way"
you're a dumbass.You obviously didn't watch any of the games. Shitavious Odoms was the NO.1 target. Stonum got roughly the same amount of balls thrown his way as Mathews (Mathews had a little more). And here mathews has 21 more catches and 300 more yards.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"Also, your logic is skewed because you are comparing one full time starter to a true frosh who didn't start until what?"
Nope. Mathews started 11 games (missed the Miami game due to injury), Stonum started 10, and Hemingway started 1 (the Miami game, in which Mathews was hurt). Mathews and Stonum started the same amout of games and had roughly the same No.1 of ablls thrown their way. Yet, look at the stat descrepency. Stonum's shitty stats are due to Stonum, not the QB play.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
ill agree with u that he shouldnt be starter hemingway should but he was hurt last year, and saying that he sucks is a rediculous statement
imkool51391 2 years ago
Stonum is just plain bad. Period. I'm glad to see you think Hemingway should be starting. at least we agree on something.
go Blue
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
How the hell can anyone with ANY knowledge of football classify a true frosh as "bad" after one season?
Especially when his production is dependent on qb/o-line play.
Both of which...in case you hadn't noticed...were the worst they've ever been at Michigan.
Suckeyes17 2 years ago
"How the hell can anyone with ANY knowledge of football classify a true frosh as "bad" after one season?"
If something smells like shit, looks like shit, and says "shit," on it, then its properly called shit un til it proves otherwise. If Stonum somehow ends up starting, I hope he becomes a star, But from what we've seen so far, he's a shitty player. You are ignorant and stupid if you deny that.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
also, freshmen receivers have a much higher success rate then freshmen at any other position. Ergo, they deserve to be put under the most scrutiny for their performances in their freshmen seasons (assumnig they saw sufficient playing time, which is obviously the case with Stonum, who started 10 fucking games).
again: if Stonumk ends up being a start, thats great. But so far, he's played like shit. we'll see what happens to him in the future.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"Especially when his production is dependent on qb/o-line play"
you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. How is Stonums play dependent on the o-line? Brandon Minor is a tailback, and his play is a billion times more dependent on the o-line then a fucknig receiver, and look what he did: 5.2 YPC and 11 TD's! I've already addressed and dissetced the QB situation. You're making god-awful excuses for Stonums shittiness. fuck you.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
im 5 years old? you are the one saying that a player sucks after one below average season that happened his freshman year
imkool51391 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan its the spread idiot it it is set up for the inside receivers to take advantage of match ups. You know nothing of football and you are not a true Michigan fan. You wanted us to lose all of our games, I think you are an tOSU fan theway you make ludicrous assumptions. He was a freshman and has gotten better every year, you know like the receivers you named up above (Manningham, Arrington). Go BLue! Fuck Toole1Dan!
jzirpoli 1 year ago
There were rumors from Josh Helmholdt that Stonum was transfering. Stonum came out and denied this on his myspace page, but then again, we all know what Shavorick Beaver was saying about Michigan. if and when Stonum gets BURIED on the bench by Junior Hemingway, Roy Roundtree, and even James Rogers, he'll be a prime candidate to transfer. Helmholdt doesn't make shit up for the hell of it.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
Wow. You're pathetic. I hate on Stonum, so therefore, I'm hating on Michigan. You should work for CNN. They'd love you and your laughable logical fallacies.
Go blue
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan
jzirpoli 1 year ago
Shaw Looks fast... SEC FAST
7:28
kitycalifornia 3 years ago
We kick minnesota's ass evrey year
balagar2 3 years ago
yeah, sucks we cant for the next 2 years though. Dont quite understand why they would do that.
kjason725 3 years ago
the big eleven, oh I mean 10 thats right, damn them odd numbers, JK!
jzirpoli 3 years ago
2008 was a God-awful year. I hope to NEVER to see this again. Go Blue.
bullrose5 3 years ago
wow this game was field goals field goals i was like wow SCORE
bro22bro 3 years ago
Does anyone know what happened to Junior Hemmingway? He played about the first 2-3 games and then disappered.
Kane9891 3 years ago
He injured his AC joint in his shoulder and had some type of sickness as well. He didn't play the rest of the season. He redshirted so he has another year of eligibility.
jbystx 3 years ago
Hemingway went down with mono after the 4th game and didn't play the rest of the season. He took a redshirt in 08, and next season, it looks like he'll be starting at outside receiver opposite Greg Mathews. hemnigway is areally good. he showed it as our 4th receiver in 2007. He's certainly better then darryl Stonum
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
He's not better than Daryl Stonum. Mathews and Stonum will be the starters in 09.
jbystx 3 years ago
Yes he is. Hemingway pwons Stonum. He's faster, more athletic, has much better hands, is more experienced, is a better leaper, and is a better blocker. Hemingway will be starting at outside receiver in 2009 opposiyte Mathews. Stonum is absolutely terrible
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
of the fastest WR's on Michigan running in the 4.4's. So you're wrong on that one. Second, there is no way in hell he's more athletic than Stonum. Third if you are saying he's more experienced than Stonum because he's a Sophomore and Stonum is a Freshman you are wrong on that too. It all comes down to RichRod's system. Hemingway as a Frosh caught 4 balls for 37 yards and only started 1 game.
jbystx 3 years ago
"of the fastest WR's on Michigan running in the 4.4's"
Hemingway runs a 4.4 as well, and from what I saw on the field, Hemingway is definitely faster then Stonum
"there is no way in hell he's more athletic than Stonum"
yes there is. Remember that 33 yard TD catch against Utah? or the 23 yarder in 07 asgainst EMU? Hemingway is like Marquis Walker when it comes to athleticism. Stonum is terribl;e at adjusting to the ball when its thrown to him, and he has very poor moves in the open field
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
" Third if you are saying he's more experienced than Stonum because he's a Sophomore and Stonum is a Freshman you are wrong on that too"
well, Hemingway might not be more experienced in the sense he's seen the field more, but he's more of a "veteran," if you will. As far as PT goes, Stonum has a slight edge. Hemingway might have had only 4 for 37 in 07, but remember, he was the 4th receiver behind Manningham, Arrington, and Mathews.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
As a Sophomore he caught 6 balls for 78 yards and a TD before getting hurt. Now Stonum as a Frosh started 10 games and caught 14 balls for 176 yards and a TD. You do the math. Now if Hemingway would of stayed healthy in 2008 it might of been different. I'm not knocking Hemingway at all... as a matter of fact I thought he was great when he was playing.
jbystx 3 years ago
"Now Stonum as a Frosh started 10 games and caught 14 balls for 176 yards and a TD. You do the math. "
if you're tryingt to prove that Stonum is better then Mathews, this is a bad argument. Hemnigway played only 4 games before gonig down for the season with mono. Stonum started 10 games. Thats the law of probability. It has nothin to do with stonum being better then hemingway
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
The only knock on Stonum right now as far as I know is that he needs to work on his route running. So with you saying that Stonum is "absolutely terrrible" means you know nothing about Michigan football. I'll bet you 20 dollars Stonum will be starting with Mathews come opening game in 2009.
jbystx 3 years ago
"The only knock on Stonum right now as far as I know is that he needs to work on his route running."
that, and he drops everything, has limited athleticism, is an awful blocker, and is not a very good leaper. Stonum is incredibly overrated. He might be servicable later on in his career, but right now, he needs to stay on the bench...where he belongs
"So with you saying that Stonum is "absolutely terrrible" means you know nothing about Michigan football"
I saw what i saw
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
dude if you REALLY THINK THAT you are a tool, sorry dude I've read a couple of your posts and agree with just about everyone else that you have NO F***ing clue what you are talking about,
jzirpoli 3 years ago
"I'll bet you 20 dollars Stonum will be starting with Mathews come opening game in 2009"
I'll take that bet. you know of any online betting sites? oh, and FWIW, Brian Cook (who ardently supports Rodriguez and every player he throws out there) thinks that Stonum played poorly in 2008 and that Hemingway will be the starter on opening day next season.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
@Poole1Dan Dude you lost that bet. Where is the money???
jzirpoli 1 year ago
Oh yeah 1 more thing. Stonum was more highly rated than Hemingway coming out of high school. He also played against much tougher competition.
jbystx 3 years ago
"Stonum was more highly rated than Hemingway coming out of high school"
That is true. i'll give you that. But from what we've seen on the field in college, hemnigway is better then Stonum
"He also played against much tougher competition"
Probably true. California is tougher then South Carolina, but South carolina is tough as well, so both Stonum and Hemingway played tough competition
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
how much have you seen of hemingway?no, seriously?and what are you talking about cal?stonums from TEXAS, will hemingway be better than stonum? maybe, but i've seen NO evidence to make me think so, if you think so you are crazy! watch some of the catch's stonum made in the ND game, WHO HAD THE LONGEST REC OF THE YEAR, stonum. I just can't agree that hemingway will be better when he's caught 6 balls in his career, and as for stonum having a poor year HE WAS A FRESHMAN, with a poor QB situation!
jzirpoli 3 years ago
"how much have you seen of hemingway?"
I've seen enough to know he's better then Stonum. Watch the games. Hemingway is clearly better then Stonum
"stonums from TEXAS"
right. my bad. the point I was making was that although Stonum saw tougher HS competition then Hemingway, hemingway still saw tough HS competition. Hemingways HS (conway) is a consistent top 10 national HS
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
yeah you definately have, hahaha
2007-Hemingway, J. 10 games 4 ctch 37 yard 9.2 avg 0 td 23 lng 3.7 ypg,
2008IN NONE OF THEM GAMES DID I SAY, "DANG YOU KNOW THAT HEMINGWAY SURE IS IMPRESSIVE", YOU CANNOT TAKE RANDOM NAMES AND SAY they are gonna be better than someone when nothing on the field or in the weight room suggests so, in fact all eveidence points to him being yeah you guessed it A BENCH WARMER, Im not saying he wont be good but where is the evidence he is better th stonum
jzirpoli 3 years ago
"2007-Hemingway, J. 10 games 4 ctch 37 yard 9.2 avg 0 td 23 lng 3.7 ypg"
Antonio Bass only had 8 catches for 64 yards in 2005, and we all know bass was destined to be a superstar. Hemingway was the bloody 4th receiver in 2007, while Manningham and Arrington were the starters and Mathews was the top guy in the slot. Of course Hemingway put up minuscule stats. He showed enough in his time as the 4thr eceiver that he is the real deal (see the EMU game).
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"2008IN NONE OF THEM GAMES DID I SAY, "DANG YOU KNOW THAT HEMINGWAY SURE IS IMPRESSIVE", YOU CANNOT TAKE RANDOM NAME"
Look at the Utah game, where had had 2 catches for 41 yards and a long TD despite seeing limited time as Stonums substitute. thatw as an impresive game. Look at the Miami game, where his block sprang Odoms lose fro that 50 yard reception. hemnigway only played in 4 games last season, and he was impressive in 2 of them. you are blind
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
you are full of shit. Hemingway runs a faster 40 then Stonum. He's bigger. He jumps higher. he catches everything, where as Stonum drops everything. And for all intents and purposes, he has betterc areer stats. Hemingway puts up 60 catches if he starts 10 games like shitty as Stonum did. hemingway has made big plays in 2 of his 6 carrer catches, Stonum has only made 2 on his 14 career catches. Hemingway has the same number of TD catches then Stonum depsite seeing much less PT
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"in fact all eveidence points to him being yeah you guessed it A BENCH WARMER"
only in your fucked up brain. Even Brian Cook admits that Hemingway will eb starting over Stonum enxt season. You ahve a boner for Stonum cause he's dickrod's boy, when the facts prove that Stonum is awful and is much worse then Hemingway. Get your head out of dickrods ass. stonum is much more lilely to be a carerr benchwarmer then Hemingway, who has "star" written all over him.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"but i've seen NO evidence to make me think so, if you think so you are crazy!"
then you are blind. Hemingway has clearly shown he is He's faster, more athletic, has much better hands, is more experienced, is a better leaper, and is a better blocker. Hemingway will be starting at outside receiver in 2009 opposite Mathews. Stonum is absolutely terrible
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
yeah right last years starting depth chart didnt even list him, strange for a guy with such immense talent a freshman beat him,
jzirpoli 3 years ago
"yeah right last years starting depth chart didnt even list him"
No shit sherlock. he missed 8 of 12 games. of course he wasn't listed on the depth chart (in the games he missed, anyways). I'll admit that Stonum has an edge over Hemingway as far as recruiting hype goes, and if both these guys had never seen the field before, then you could definitely say Stonum is better then Hemingway. But that is not the case. We ahve seen both these guys on the field, and its clear that hemingway is better
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
hey man he didn't start the first game why? because stonum was better
jzirpoli 3 years ago
actually, hemingway didn't starft the first game because:
1. dickrod had a boner for Stonum just like you do and insisted on starting Stonum voer Hemingway inspite of all the evidence hsowing Hemingway should be the man
2. Hemingway had that wrist injury or whatever it was he was battling, whereas Stonum was 100 healthy
Hemingway: 1 career start; 6 for 78 and 1 TD
Stonum: 10 starts; 14 for 176 and 1 TD
Hemingway is so much better then Stonum its laughable
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
where dud you get those stats???? because they are completely wrong! HA HA HA, did you mean 2 for 41 with 1 td???? You know you invent and distort information, there was once a group of people who did that too, they were called NAZI's? whats you real name goebbels??and FIND A NEW TEAM, IF YOUR A UM FAN YOU WOULDNT HATE THE COACH THEY HIRED THE FIRST TWO YEARS YOU WOULD SUPPORT THEM AND WANT US TO WIN. GO BE AN tOSU FAN THEY LOVE FAIR WEATHER FANS!
jzirpoli 3 years ago
"where dud you get those stats???? because they are completely wrong! "
find. live in denail. Hemingway has only started one game in his career (the Miami game), and his career stats are 6 catches for 78 yards and 1 TD. On the other hand, Stonum has started 10 games, and his career stats are 14 catches for 176 yrds and 1 TD.
Hemingway>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stonum
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"did you mean 2 for 41 with 1 td????"
WTF are you talking about? Those were his stats from the Utah game....a game he didn'ty even start. You've lost me. and whats this shit with you calling me a nazi? I must really be kicking your girly ass in this debate for you to call me a nazi. You're a punk ass bitch
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"IF YOUR A UM FAN YOU WOULDNT HATE THE COACH THEY HIRED THE FIRST TWO YEARS"
we went fucknig 3-9 last season despite having 41 players on the team who were 4 or 5 star prospects (among other things). fuck that shit. dickrod is a terrible head coach. he should be FIRED,
" YOU WOULD SUPPORT THEM AND WANT US TO WIN."
I DO want us to win. I just don't think dickrod is the answer
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
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sportsfreak800 3 years ago
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I get your frustration, but I don't get how you can properly judge a coach after one year. Wouldn't it make more sense to look at what he did at West Virginia, rather than base it on Rich Rod's 1st season. He 1) didn't have his recruits 2) most players on O were inexperienced and wouldn't have played if not for injuries and attrition 3) new to a system. It's way too early to judge and call for his firing.
sportsfreak800 3 years ago
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sportsfreak800 3 years ago
I couldn't have said it better myself.
commodorefan2 2 years ago
and hey buddy hemingway DOES NOT run a faster 40, wheres your info give me a link, oh wait you can't because YOU MAKE SHIT UP. I have been posting links because I don't have to make shit up unless its changed rivals said hemingway ran a 4.5 and stonum a 4.4, so maybe they are the same speed. but seriously lets have some links!
jzirpoli 3 years ago
"DOES NOT run a faster 40, wheres your info give me a link"
Rivals says Hemingway runs a 4.46, and Stonum runs a 4.49 (thats what I read when I had my free 7 day rivals insider account; I'll admit it says hemnigway runs a 4.5 and Stonum runs a 4.4 on the public view, but obviosuly this isn't as reliable as insider stuff)
Hemingway is faster. plain and simple.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
well we will see in spring ball!
jzirpoli 3 years ago
what did I tell you: Hemingway is much better then Stonum. I win. You lose
Go Blue
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"watch some of the catch's stonum made in the ND game"
Steven Threet threaded the needle on all 3 of those catches Stonum had against ND. Stonum didn't make a nice p[lay of any of thsoe 3 catches
"WHO HAD THE LONGEST REC OF THE YEAR"
that was the only good play Stonum had all season. we can safely write off that 51 yard TD catch as a fluke
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"I just can't agree that hemingway will be better when he's caught 6 balls in his career"
hemingway was the bloody 4th receiver in 2007 and missed most of the season in 08. No wonder he has only 6 career catches. Stonum, on the other hand, has started 10 career games to Hemingways's 1 and STILL only has 8 more careeer catches then Hemingway.
Hemingway>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stonum
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
yeah that might be true but threet/sheridan notoriously missed wide open recievers this year
plus in 2007 there where 423 pass att in 2008 there were only 338, In RR's offense altot of passes went to the RB/slot guy so once again you try and compare two totally different things.
jzirpoli 3 years ago
"yeah that might be true but threet/sheridan notoriously missed wide open recievers this year"
so did Ryan mallet. You can't bitch about Stonum (or any other receiver) having a struggling QB when Manningham and arrington had to deal with the same shit in 2007
"plus in 2007 there where 423 pass att in 2008 there were only 338"
yeah, but threet put up better stats then Mallet did, and yet look how much worse Stonum was then Manningham and Arrington. thats my point
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
yeah because WE PASSED BEHIND HE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE 2 out of 3 times YOU MORON!
jzirpoli 3 years ago
"WE PASSED BEHIND HE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE 2 out of 3 times YOU MORON!"
you definitely did not watch a single game last season. Threet threw downfield as much or nearly as much as Mallet did. The only difference between Threet and Mallet was threet threw more bubble screens. Look at any of the games Threet started: he was a downfield passer. Even dickrod knows you can't win a football game by dinking and dunking your way down the field. 2 out of 3 were not behind the line of scrimmage. you lie.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"In RR's offense altot of passes went to the RB/slot guy so once again you try and compare two totally different things"
Alot of passes do indeed go to the slot receivers, but if you look at dickrods hisotry at WVU, about an equal amount to go the outside gusy as well. Ergo, how do you explain Greg Mathews having 35 catches for 400 yards and 2 TD's where as Stonum has 14 for 176 and 1 TD? Here's how; Mathews is elgit; Stonum sucks.
stop defending a shitty receiver like Darryl Stonum
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
dude you are a moron, Im not the only one to tell you that. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALLKING ABOUT EVER, i gave you facts and links and all you can come up with is BS, yeah i guess matthews would have more catch's I mean he is a junior and been playing alot longer, you trully r a tool!
jzirpoli 3 years ago
you didn't give me shit. Your trying to tell me how Stonum is better then hemingway, and you don't back up any of yuor arguments. My arguments speak for themselves. read them again. They are all backed up by facts and stats
"i guess matthews would have more catch's I mean he is a junior and been playing alot longer"
him being a junior and Stonum being a freshmen means nothing. Manniongham had more catches then breaston in 05 despite breaston beibng a junior and Manningham bring a frosh
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
well your right mathews is better, but dick head we were talking about femingwat being better then stonum and YOU STILL HAVENT PROVIDED ANY FACTS OR LINKS TO YOUR INFORMATION, if this was school you would fail, you can't just manufacture info, and the only info you have posted hasn't even been right
jzirpoli 3 years ago
"but dick head we were talking about femingwat being better then stonum"
Actually, in that particular context, we were talknig about if Stonum is a good or bad receiver, not if he is better then hemingway. I was mearly pointing out (using facts and stats) that Stonum is indeed a shitty ass receiver.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"YOU STILL HAVENT PROVIDED ANY FACTS OR LINKS TO YOUR INFORMATION"
yes I have. But sicne you can't read, I'll make myself clear again:
-Stonum has only 8 more career catches, 98 more yards, and the exact same number of TD catches as hemnigway despite having started 10 more games. Imagine if Hemingway had started 10 games like Stonum has. In that case, Hemingway would ahve like 70 career catches and 10 TD's, making him that much better then stonum.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
-Hemingway is faster then Stonum (4.46 to 4.49, according to rivals)
-Hemingway has much better hands then Stonum (according to Tony Dews, Brian Cook, all the insiders)
-Hemingway is a better leaper then Stonum (has a higher verticle leap, accoring to rivals)
-Hemingway is more athletic then Stonum (see the 33 yard TD catch and the 23 yarder against EMU; stonum has nothing of the sort)
-Hemingway is bigger then Stonum (6'1, 214 vs. 6'3, 185)
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Junior Hemingway is better then Darryl Stonum......much better. The facts prove this. GHet your head out of dickrods ass and face reality: stonum sucks, whereas Hemingway has star written all over him. Stonum MIGHT start in his senior season of 2011, but in 09 and 10 he'll be a BENCHWARMER, and even in 11, he's be hard pressed to beat out Ricardo Miller, Cameron Gordon, and the like. Stonum proved his shittiness last season. For that he deserves to ride the pine.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Braylon Edwards had more catches in 2002 then Ronald Bellamy even though Edwards was a sophomore and Bellamy was a senior. David Terrell had more catches in 1999 then marcus Knight even though Terrell was a sophomore and Knight was a senior
Mathews had more catches then Stonum cause he's 10 times BETTER then Stonum, not because he has more experience. Stonum sucks. admit it.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"HE WAS A FRESHMAN, with a poor QB situation!"
give me a fucknig break. Steve Breaston and Mario manningham were also freshmen, and they put up much better stats then Stonum did their freshmen years. And in 2007, Mario manningham and adrian Arrington had Ryan mallet throwing to them alot of the time and they put much better stats then Stonum despite Mallet being a worse QB statistically then Threet. so both these arguments are shot down.
Stonum sucks. period
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
@Poole1Dan Wrong again Bitch. Stonums the starter. Hemingway (as I said could be good) is allergic to the field. That makes Stonum better because he actually plays.
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Kane9891 3 years ago
im guessing Michigan will have a 7-5 record maybe a 8-4 record and go to the insight bowl.
AnitaDoobie 3 years ago
Is it possible that Mike Barwis' intense strength and conditioning program burnt out many of the players of Lloyd's recruits since they aren't really built for that kind of work out?
I've heard that it takes players at least one year to get accustomed to RichRods offense and Brawis' work regiment. Just wondering.
Swazi4 3 years ago
I can see that, but the defense was bound to wear out as the season went on when they spent anywhere from 35-45 minutes per game on the field. Also lack of talent, experience, or both at some positions didn't help much either.
d1chet 3 years ago
Forcier will easily improve our offense, and our record. I'm sad with McGuffie leaving, but Minor was a BEAT last year when he was healthy, and along with Shaw, and Touissant coming in, it shouldn't be too bad.
I'm curious as to who will be our new Defensive Coordinator though. Hopefully we get someone that's already got a good track record on his resume, and will quickly fix our defensive woes.
Swazi4 3 years ago
"but Minor was a BEAT last year when he was healthy, and along with Shaw, and Touissant coming in, it shouldn't be too bad"
Don't forget senior Carlos Brown. He's the best of the bunch, IMO. The guy is a slashing runner with good size and great speed. He's a beast
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
I'm looking forward to seeing Carlos Brown. Seems he's always getting some freak injury during the spring.
manwiththemoves 3 years ago
hey, what do you know! me and you agree on something for a change! (:
Yes, I'm also looking forward to seeing Brown play. Him and Minor will form the Big tens moth lethal 1-2 punch as seniors next season
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
if the o-line can block well enough...
mgoblue2231 3 years ago
It's a debate between the better win, this one, or the wisconsin one. I just don't know. We played so good in this game. Don't worry thegov1020, the losing will be over, we got a talented recruiting class coming in, including the next colt mccoy, Tate Forcier! He's accurate (77% completion percentage), runs a 4.5 forty, and will only get better and faster with mike barwis and company! We'll be back, everybody has a down year or two once in a while. USC was bad once, imagine that!
Go Blue!
goblue918 3 years ago
Ya, but if u think Forcier is gunns STAR right away then your wrong.
hell have some good progress, BUT WILL HAVE MORE DOWNS than UPS.
cameroncrazie818 3 years ago
Ya, but it's hard to tell right now. A true freshman will be a true freshman. And I do certainly believe he is obviously more fitted in a RR offense than our current qb's And since he's enrolling early, I just feel that he has a head start for next season, and he may not be a STAR right away, but he'll certainly have better progress and skills than the other guys. But, who knows, people can improve a lot over the offseason.
Go Blue!
goblue918 3 years ago
He won't have NEARLY as many downs than the Threet/Sherridan combination. Forcier with increase our win total from 3 to 6 or 7 alone. And if our D can get their act together, then we're back in contention in the Big Ten.
Swazi4 3 years ago
" And if our D can get their act together"
I'm not gonig to put my eggs in one nest, but I think Greg Robinson could be our ace in the hole. The guy has had great success as a defensive coordinator everywhere he's been-Texas, Denver, even Kansas City, where the Chiefs were among the NFL's ebst in forcing turnovers when he was there (he gets alot of unjust flack for his 3 season stinit in KC). I really hope Robinson gets our defense together, cause we've got LOTS of talent there.
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Yeah, and I'm sure that the fact the offense went three and out all the time and kept the D on the field made them completely exhausted by the half. I don't think the offense is going to sputter like that again, so I think we're gonig to be MUCH improved this year. I predict at least a return to a bowl game.
Swazi4 3 years ago
Yes. Pete Carrol's first year in USC was pretty bad, but he got his guys in there and look at where they're at now.
Swazi4 3 years ago
Sorry. I made the mistake of taping over that game. I didn't think it was going to be a big deal at the time because I thought I'd tape a better game over it...then the rest of the season happened and...you know.
WolverineHistorian 3 years ago
gophers suck go blue
balagar2 3 years ago
least ill get humor if ohio state wins or loses their bowl game
we88 3 years ago
yeah. no kidding. we can always root against the teams we hate this bowl season (Ohio State, Michigan State, and Notre Dame)
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
dlt notre dame and weve got a deal(i got a soft spot for the irish)
we88 3 years ago
these anti-RR idiots need to go the way of Justin Boren--just go. we'll gladly accept you back onto the bandwagon next year when we're in the upper echelon of the BIG TEN.
Vince Lombardi would have had trouble squeezing a bowl appearance out of this team. they were the youngest team in the country.
ShaiMuzik 3 years ago
All i can say is im actually happy that I will never see sheridan again. For some reason that evens out getting blown out by ohio state.
we88