It's fairly easy. You sign up for an account, I'll create a room, you download "Manycam" (which lets you use a static image as a virtual webcam so you can represent your side on the dock), I'll give you a link to the room, you'll join the primary view next to my window, and we'll begin an audio debate.
Hi, this was probably just you saying the wrong word but reductio ad absurdum is fine, what you were talking about is argument from incredulity. Reductio ad absurdum is just proof by contradiction which is fine.
Good idea with the debate though, hope it goes well.
Thanks for trying to clear that up, but I think you might be mistaken mate, have a look at the wiki for reductio ad absurdum. :-) Let me know if I'm wrong :P
It can lead to straw man arguments, but not necessarily. It's a technique used often especially in mathematics. For example, the proof that the square-root of 2 is irrational is a reductio ad absurdum proof (basically it assumes it's rational, and shows that that's ridiculous). If you look at the proof by contradiction wiki page it goes into much more detail, explaining it's synonyms and the precise logical and mathematical definitions of it.
At this point I still tend to disagree, in that I think there may be two definitions for it. (However I admit my example referred less to RAA then to the straw man argument I was talking about a moment ago) - but you've encouraged me to go research it, which I'll do now, so thank ye ^_^
I just googled RAA and I think there really are two meanings. The merriam-webster dictionary says that it can also mean carrying something to the extreme. It's interesting, I never knew that meaning for it. I have always thought of it in the in the logical or mathematical proof sense. Anyway, your statement was completely correct. Good luck :)
freeamerika00, it is fucktards like you that will keep the Republicans out of power for two decades
VenomfangX was a FRAUDSTER, even his parents know that. Can you imagine being a 24 year old fucktard who doesn't even realize he is committing fraud against sick kids hospital and has to be bitch slapped by his daddy?
It's smart people like me who are reforming BOTH parties! When you wake up then I'll talk politics with you until then do us all a favor throw your opinion in the trash can and turn off your TV.
I would but I'm kind of busy doing more important things like providing evidence to important people, and you've already proven you are ignorant in legal matters. Legal matters and rules of debating an atheist are on two opposite sides of the scale at the moment. So enjoy your postive feed back. No-one is going to offer you information you so desperately seek. For Christians DON'T email him. He wants your IP address. He knows people at Google. He's already proven he likes to get peoples Pii!
Oh fucking great, kid, get with the fucking program, people sought out VFX's details because he was withholding money from a sick kids hospital, that's the only reason pepole wanted his address, to report him for it. I doubt he was wrong seeing as the site got shut down. You arrogant, self important fuck tard.
Attempting to gain access to someone's Personal Identifiable Information and bank funds is ILLEGAL. Even the police need a subpoena to get that info. If you feel someone committed a FRAUD you contact the website (in which case would be PayPal) and let them take care of it.
Did lordhathor attempt to gain access to vfx's bank funds? No. Do the police need a subpoena to find out someone's address? No.
You claim knowledge of "legal matters" but you can't even understand your own sentences. Your attempt at trolling is pathetic. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
He claims paypal is essentially a bank in one of his videos. So yes he gained access to someones Pii info,(and also gained info into a criminal investigation) and placed that info publicly after he donated to gain that info.
"He claims paypal is essentially a bank..." - irrelevant. He didn't attempt to gain access to vfx's bank *funds*, which would obviously be illegal. Again, you apparently don't understand the meaning of your own words.
I never gained access to any of his bank details, nor any details associated with his bank account other than his name (which is given to everyone who donates).
Also, I never gave any information publicly other than his first name. I even cut out his last name.
Again, I welcome you to either a) provide evidence, or b) shut the fuck up.
No, they don't need a subpoena to figure that out online unless there's something called a "reasonable expectation of privacy" - That is to say, not if it's posted publicly. I never got any information on PCS that wasn't available to the public with no "hacking" involved.
No company gave me his personal information. He gave it all himself, by proxy.
Also, you once again make it obvious you know nothing of the law.
If you feel they are not taking care of it you contact the police. You do not need someones address to report them to PayPal. No-one had to donate to Shawn in order to notify PayPal of fraud. Which makes it very apparent the reason people donates was to get his PII.
Under PayPal's terms this is a Fraud. Say what you want about me, it's in black and white on PayPals website.
Once again, you do not get their address by donating. Additionally, I already had his name when I donated.
I welcome you to quote where, in paypal's "terms" this is called fraud, as you've declined to provide any evidence at all. I happen to know paypal does not call this fraud, and also doesn't have to legal authority to label something as fraud. You're a fucking idiot. EVIDENCE OR GTFO
When someone hires someone for a service with the intention to "stop check" in order to render their services without paying them. It's called Intent to defraud.
You and your friends defrauded both PayPal and Sickkids hospital, and Shawn when you stopped your payment. You are claiming Shawn was a Sickkids rep. You also entered into the agreement with Sickkids to donate your penny. Yet you stopped payment almost immedietly after donating. You donated with intend to defraud Shawn, Sickkids, and Paypal. Good luck on whatever defense you come up with. If Shawn fall you and your friends go with him.
Hathor, your video takes all the fun of it. You should simply ask for a nice, simple debate and announce your topics. Then, when the religious use Strawman arguments, Reductio Ad Absurdem and Ad hominem attacks you point that stuff out.
1) It draws in viewers
2) It's pretty much all that they have anyway, next you'll ban non-rational arguments and then they'll have nothing to say at all!
I'll add an annotation, once the annotations editor is working, that mentions that we can play by whatever rules they want. I'm up for anything, so long as I get a fair chance to intelliectually decimate them.
This is not a place for you to preach. i've requested evidence and debate over 10 times now, in both topics. You refuse. I am now blocking you because you obviously have no interest in constructive argument. You're just going to keep repeating the same preachy bullshit.
I would debate you but I don't see much point in it, since most of your videos are about religion and we both pretty much hold the same view point. I mean I guess we could debate if VenomfangX is more stupid or evil but that would be more satire than anything.
Unfortunately my political views are so flexible that I wouldn't be able to hold a coherent debate with them. I have not yet studied politics enough to have a system of opinions based on facts, it's more just like "I heard this one time on the news that obama was a muslim and george bush is the second cuming of hitler"
It's weird. People hang off of what presidents like and dislike. I forget which president it was that said he hated lima beans, and when he said it suddenly lima bean sales dropped insanely. And then another that liked jelly beans and suddenly jelly bean sales skyrocketed.
my name is Chips Handon. I always like to lork at 7cham and I also like mudflips too, as you do. DASU DASU LOL, I liek shop the wops, do a battle roll and i just lost the match. Due to the fact that i'm not a noobfag i know that /random/ is in possession of a great variety of "PC", at least those of you that aren't underage B%. in a nutshell, I need Anomalous to deliver to an /re/tard some of his "PC". ROW ROW ROW THE BOAT. PLEASE DONT MAGE THIS THRED IT IS NOT COPYPIZZA, BUT ORIGINAL COMMENT.
I think that you need a topic....Perhaps, "Are people like VFX useful for the Youtube atheistic and scientific community, or do people like him just waste valuable time"
I wish to challenge you on the morality of the "turtle" video wherein you showed a poor innocent turtle that has been enslaved by you and kept as a prisoner. You have wronged that turtle and on a different note this channel needs moar Desu
Did you say Rule 34?
BohemianBlasphemy 2 years ago
m0ar?
SuperCaptainSpauldin 2 years ago
busy? that's okay...me too. you might need to help me figure out how stickam works...
WolfSyndrome 2 years ago
It's fairly easy. You sign up for an account, I'll create a room, you download "Manycam" (which lets you use a static image as a virtual webcam so you can represent your side on the dock), I'll give you a link to the room, you'll join the primary view next to my window, and we'll begin an audio debate.
lordhathor 2 years ago
account? check. I just need to find the manycam download. thanks for the info!
WolfSyndrome 2 years ago
Lets get drunk and lick each others elbows LOL
Dude your funny as hell
nicholasweakland 2 years ago
E-mail has been sent.
WolfSyndrome 2 years ago
Hi, this was probably just you saying the wrong word but reductio ad absurdum is fine, what you were talking about is argument from incredulity. Reductio ad absurdum is just proof by contradiction which is fine.
Good idea with the debate though, hope it goes well.
coolman9999uk 2 years ago
Thanks for trying to clear that up, but I think you might be mistaken mate, have a look at the wiki for reductio ad absurdum. :-) Let me know if I'm wrong :P
lordhathor 2 years ago
It can lead to straw man arguments, but not necessarily. It's a technique used often especially in mathematics. For example, the proof that the square-root of 2 is irrational is a reductio ad absurdum proof (basically it assumes it's rational, and shows that that's ridiculous). If you look at the proof by contradiction wiki page it goes into much more detail, explaining it's synonyms and the precise logical and mathematical definitions of it.
coolman9999uk 2 years ago
At this point I still tend to disagree, in that I think there may be two definitions for it. (However I admit my example referred less to RAA then to the straw man argument I was talking about a moment ago) - but you've encouraged me to go research it, which I'll do now, so thank ye ^_^
lordhathor 2 years ago
I just googled RAA and I think there really are two meanings. The merriam-webster dictionary says that it can also mean carrying something to the extreme. It's interesting, I never knew that meaning for it. I have always thought of it in the in the logical or mathematical proof sense. Anyway, your statement was completely correct. Good luck :)
coolman9999uk 2 years ago
This should be fun if it happens
funincluded 2 years ago
For you to actually engage these moronic idiots whom you saved from being scammed is actually commendable.
+ Respect for being committed to a cause and being fair and just!
+ Subscriber for VFX exposition. Keep up the good work
PsiReasoning 2 years ago
freeamerika00, it is fucktards like you that will keep the Republicans out of power for two decades
VenomfangX was a FRAUDSTER, even his parents know that. Can you imagine being a 24 year old fucktard who doesn't even realize he is committing fraud against sick kids hospital and has to be bitch slapped by his daddy?
Sparkanoid1 2 years ago 3
It's smart people like me who are reforming BOTH parties! When you wake up then I'll talk politics with you until then do us all a favor throw your opinion in the trash can and turn off your TV.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
who was/is the greatest metal band, Iron Maiden or Metallica? discuss among yourselves
who is the best TV mom June Cleaver or Claire Huxtable? discuss among yourselves
dirtiest thing ever said on tv in the fifties -
"Ward, weren't you a little hard on the Beaver last night?"
AbdultheImpailler 2 years ago
I would but I'm kind of busy doing more important things like providing evidence to important people, and you've already proven you are ignorant in legal matters. Legal matters and rules of debating an atheist are on two opposite sides of the scale at the moment. So enjoy your postive feed back. No-one is going to offer you information you so desperately seek. For Christians DON'T email him. He wants your IP address. He knows people at Google. He's already proven he likes to get peoples Pii!
freeamerika00 2 years ago
Oh fucking great, kid, get with the fucking program, people sought out VFX's details because he was withholding money from a sick kids hospital, that's the only reason pepole wanted his address, to report him for it. I doubt he was wrong seeing as the site got shut down. You arrogant, self important fuck tard.
johnmiller666 2 years ago
Attempting to gain access to someone's Personal Identifiable Information and bank funds is ILLEGAL. Even the police need a subpoena to get that info. If you feel someone committed a FRAUD you contact the website (in which case would be PayPal) and let them take care of it.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
Did lordhathor attempt to gain access to vfx's bank funds? No. Do the police need a subpoena to find out someone's address? No.
You claim knowledge of "legal matters" but you can't even understand your own sentences. Your attempt at trolling is pathetic. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
plevyman 2 years ago
He claims paypal is essentially a bank in one of his videos. So yes he gained access to someones Pii info,(and also gained info into a criminal investigation) and placed that info publicly after he donated to gain that info.
I know what I;m talking about.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
"He claims paypal is essentially a bank..." - irrelevant. He didn't attempt to gain access to vfx's bank *funds*, which would obviously be illegal. Again, you apparently don't understand the meaning of your own words.
Did lordhathor publish vfx's address?
plevyman 2 years ago
Did lordhathor publish vfx's address?
That is irrelevant
I'm done commenting.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
Not irrelevant, and you know it. Hence why you are "done commenting"...
plevyman 2 years ago
No, I never did publish his address.
lordhathor 2 years ago
I never gained access to any of his bank details, nor any details associated with his bank account other than his name (which is given to everyone who donates).
Also, I never gave any information publicly other than his first name. I even cut out his last name.
Again, I welcome you to either a) provide evidence, or b) shut the fuck up.
of course you could: c) debate me,
but I doubt that'll happen.
lordhathor 2 years ago
"Do the police need a subpoena to find out someone's address? "
Online YES. If a company gives it out without one they can be sued so can the police. It's called a privacy agreement and constitutional rights.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
No, they don't need a subpoena to figure that out online unless there's something called a "reasonable expectation of privacy" - That is to say, not if it's posted publicly. I never got any information on PCS that wasn't available to the public with no "hacking" involved.
No company gave me his personal information. He gave it all himself, by proxy.
Also, you once again make it obvious you know nothing of the law.
lordhathor 2 years ago
Actually, it's not illegal. Private investigators do it alll the time. So do bill collectors and bail bondsmen.
"you contact the website (in which case would be PayPal) and let them take care of it. "
That's what we did. I did nothing more. :-)
Dipshit.
lordhathor 2 years ago
If you feel they are not taking care of it you contact the police. You do not need someones address to report them to PayPal. No-one had to donate to Shawn in order to notify PayPal of fraud. Which makes it very apparent the reason people donates was to get his PII.
Under PayPal's terms this is a Fraud. Say what you want about me, it's in black and white on PayPals website.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
Once again, you do not get their address by donating. Additionally, I already had his name when I donated.
I welcome you to quote where, in paypal's "terms" this is called fraud, as you've declined to provide any evidence at all. I happen to know paypal does not call this fraud, and also doesn't have to legal authority to label something as fraud. You're a fucking idiot. EVIDENCE OR GTFO
lordhathor 2 years ago
What a fucking pathetic joke you are freeamerika00. I hope everybody goes after PCS2 next, The Unflushable turd, How the world works
Sparkanoid1 2 years ago
What a fucking pathetic joke you are freeamerika00. I hope everybody goes after "PCS2 next, The Unflushable turd, How the world works"
I find it very hard to believe that anyone would be stupid enough to attempt such a thing. Although you can try.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
If you're not willing to debate this, and you're not willing to provide evidence, then you are officially wrong.
Additionally, I can't get your IP address from a message on Google. I also can't DO anything with an IP address.
My IP is 24.20.240.74 - I dare you to do something with it, lol
Additionally, I only ever gave out or used the personal informaiton that I got from sending a penny to shawn's paypal. That is all.
Silly faithtard.
lordhathor 2 years ago
I guess I'm a bit behind on things having left for a while, what does PCS mean? I mean, I understand it's VFX's nickname, but what does it stand for?
ziggo3 2 years ago
PCS stands for Posterboy *for* Creationist Stupidity.
ElDeclan 2 years ago
I want a debate about peanuts!!! >=D
Nades129 2 years ago
I would love to debate you, but I mostly agree with you.
YesForHope 2 years ago
I wonder if the yahoos from that channel I PMed you will be up for it ;-)
steelhamster 2 years ago
You're masturbating so we don't have to? Um, thanks, I guess.
thisisarecordingcom 2 years ago
Id love to debate you, however, I agree with you:P
1imax111 2 years ago
I wouldn't debate you on it but I would like to watch someone else get their ass handed to them.
SuperFlyNB 2 years ago
LOL, rule 34 with their likeness.
kaosum2 2 years ago
I am.... therefore I think. But the only thing were I dont agree with you is... hmmmm hmm,...hmm.. hmm sorry couldnt come up with one on this topic.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
I want to debate your cruel and unnecessary treatment of venomfangx.
dprjones 2 years ago 6
Oh you :3
FelleAndersson 2 years ago
I thought you were serious until I looked at you name :p
PikminDS 2 years ago 3
lol parody is hard to do but that made me smile :)
XXWhambarXX 2 years ago
OSHIT IMGONNALOSE :3
lordhathor 2 years ago
Let me put it to you this way lordlittleman.
When someone hires someone for a service with the intention to "stop check" in order to render their services without paying them. It's called Intent to defraud.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
You and your friends defrauded both PayPal and Sickkids hospital, and Shawn when you stopped your payment. You are claiming Shawn was a Sickkids rep. You also entered into the agreement with Sickkids to donate your penny. Yet you stopped payment almost immedietly after donating. You donated with intend to defraud Shawn, Sickkids, and Paypal. Good luck on whatever defense you come up with. If Shawn fall you and your friends go with him.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
Goodbye.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
Uh, "stopped payment"? "Shawn was a Sickkids rep."? Can I smoke some of what you're smoking?
plevyman 2 years ago
Yeah, it is. Luckily that's not what I did.
lordhathor 2 years ago
This is going to be win.
rokth 2 years ago
cant wait for someone to go through with this! :-p sounds like this could get fun if any of PCS' followers attempt to clear his name
tsukinoremy 2 years ago
I predict you will either have no challengers or the challenger will break a rule in the first 5 minutes.
peepnklown 2 years ago
Agreed.
lordhathor 2 years ago
I would challenge you, but ti would be some nerd-type thing like "Elves are better than wolves"...
onijester56 2 years ago
Sounds fun, but I agree with you on most points, so there wouldn't really be any point.
Blackadder125 2 years ago
Hathor, your video takes all the fun of it. You should simply ask for a nice, simple debate and announce your topics. Then, when the religious use Strawman arguments, Reductio Ad Absurdem and Ad hominem attacks you point that stuff out.
1) It draws in viewers
2) It's pretty much all that they have anyway, next you'll ban non-rational arguments and then they'll have nothing to say at all!
Looking forward to the debate vid :)
cmeast 2 years ago
I'll add an annotation, once the annotations editor is working, that mentions that we can play by whatever rules they want. I'm up for anything, so long as I get a fair chance to intelliectually decimate them.
lordhathor 2 years ago
I'm sure the Government will honor all your rights although you have not afforded them to others.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
Choices people. You are responsible for your choices no matter how much you attempt cover your ass.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
This is not a place for you to preach. i've requested evidence and debate over 10 times now, in both topics. You refuse. I am now blocking you because you obviously have no interest in constructive argument. You're just going to keep repeating the same preachy bullshit.
lordhathor 2 years ago
evidence or gtfo.
lordhathor 2 years ago
missing vfx? sounds it. I think i prefer him gone.
JeremyMilne 2 years ago
wait..... i wanna turn japanese
SamJoe04 2 years ago
You have sex with your brother! Wait.. Stickam? Fuck that!
drunkasssteve 2 years ago
wat
lordhathor 2 years ago
Ha! Just ignore my drunk-ass. That was my retarded topic of debate until you mentioned some formal meeting shit.
drunkasssteve 2 years ago
I would debate you but I don't see much point in it, since most of your videos are about religion and we both pretty much hold the same view point. I mean I guess we could debate if VenomfangX is more stupid or evil but that would be more satire than anything.
Um idk what are your general political views?
McPwnage007 2 years ago
Unfortunately my political views are so flexible that I wouldn't be able to hold a coherent debate with them. I have not yet studied politics enough to have a system of opinions based on facts, it's more just like "I heard this one time on the news that obama was a muslim and george bush is the second cuming of hitler"
lordhathor 2 years ago
yes, you know the news sucks when the big news story recently is that Obama ordered a hamburger with mustard and no ketchup.
Do you hold any strong viewpoint that isn't against religion?
McPwnage007 2 years ago
It's weird. People hang off of what presidents like and dislike. I forget which president it was that said he hated lima beans, and when he said it suddenly lima bean sales dropped insanely. And then another that liked jelly beans and suddenly jelly bean sales skyrocketed.
I'm glad I don't watch the news.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Lolololololol cuming.... =D
We could debate anal cysts. And like.... Share our relatives that have/had them.
Or maybe I just really wanted to say anal cysts. I need to stop with the nyquil. Goodnight. =P
ziggo3 2 years ago
Five stars Thor. However, I reject the idea of getting drunk and licking elbows,...(grin)
DesertLaser 2 years ago
why do you sound like VFX? being someone that is going blind I hear thing more better if I am wrong please say so thank you.
palace486 2 years ago
I probably sounded more like him because I was reading from a script. He never has original material so he sounds like that all the time :D
lordhathor 2 years ago
ok thinks for telling me that
palace486 2 years ago
my name is Chips Handon. I always like to lork at 7cham and I also like mudflips too, as you do. DASU DASU LOL, I liek shop the wops, do a battle roll and i just lost the match. Due to the fact that i'm not a noobfag i know that /random/ is in possession of a great variety of "PC", at least those of you that aren't underage B%. in a nutshell, I need Anomalous to deliver to an /re/tard some of his "PC". ROW ROW ROW THE BOAT. PLEASE DONT MAGE THIS THRED IT IS NOT COPYPIZZA, BUT ORIGINAL COMMENT.
Southparker100000000 2 years ago
that is easily the best comment anyone has left on any of my videos.
lordhathor 2 years ago
Historians centuries from now will be baffled by the meaning of this message...lol
freethinker1990 2 years ago 3
as a "/re/tard" I will generate as LuLz on this channel in which I make my new home.
But seriously though, you wouldn't mind sharing would you? My new reptilian Freemason overlord.
Southparker100000000 2 years ago
What?!
He beat my 'erection of justice'?
Damn!
defcore108 2 years ago
I think that you need a topic....Perhaps, "Are people like VFX useful for the Youtube atheistic and scientific community, or do people like him just waste valuable time"
FreudsCigar 2 years ago
what brought this on???:"
kitrana 2 years ago
Boredom, and a lack of material.
lordhathor 2 years ago
Well, if you're interested, user ImSoCritical has a video up basically calling you a liar--he has 'proof' that VFX only ever had one PayPal account.
Bueller007 2 years ago
A fool they be to challenge you,
or anyone with a brain.
no strawmen, no RAA's
there not gonna like that, without those its just lies and silence.
BodybuildingMike 2 years ago
I wish to challenge you on the morality of the "turtle" video wherein you showed a poor innocent turtle that has been enslaved by you and kept as a prisoner. You have wronged that turtle and on a different note this channel needs moar Desu
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Southparker100000000 2 years ago 4
First I would have to disagree with you, and that will be tough. I guess I have to go and watch all your videos again, LOL!
:-)
fiusux12 2 years ago
GL finding someone.
kegs666 2 years ago