Thommo was fast, but Imran Khan was better looking. Bumped into him at the empty Newcastle No 1 ground, must have forgotten his kit. Had a foxy chic chick in a red Alfa with him. Way cool. A little bit weird now, but way cool back then.
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The reading is taken slightly after the ball is released: instaneous speed of the ball can be tracked @ different points in its trajectory. Upon contacting the pitch surface, ball loses significant amount of energy, and reduces speed of ball @ the batsman. This lose of energy varies depending on the ball and surface interaction, meaning if the ball's speed is measured @ batsman, nature of pitch would play an important role determining who is faster. Speed @ release then the best criterion.
Justin Langer's opinion on fast bowling over Lillee's? Wow, do you know who is responsible for today's "better trained" bowlers. Marsh stood 36 metres behind the stumps on these slow wickets and sometimes it wasn't far enough, also said he was faster than Lillee even against the wind. How could bowling actions today rival that of a trained javelin thrower, let alone get more arm distance over the crease?
So you're saying that Thomson, who had such an unusual action, bowled on AMAZINGLY bowling-friendly pitches against batsmen with no helmets ( who, not to mention, had about a third of the experience of modern day batsmen) had no clear advantage in terms of pace perception? From both keeper and batsman that is? Thommo wouldn't last a season on todays slow and flat batting paradises. Akhtar and Lee were far quicker than Thomson at their peaks and no suck up keeper's opinions are going to change it
And by keeper, I meant Marsh of course. Btw, Quicker through the air could mean slower off the pitch [than Lillee] which means there wasn't a significant difference in the pace of the two. Remember, Lilee's QUICKEST delivery was in the low 150 k's; confirming my point. His average was pace was around 145 kph which means Thomson was never bowling over 160 kph otherwise it would be faar too obvious - which it wasn't.
That wasn't sound reasoning, nor does "quicker through the air slower off the pitch" confirm Thomson didn't exceed 160 clicks. I'm impressed he did it at the twilight of his career after injury where Lee or Shoaib might get mid 140's max. Still bowlers exceeding 150km/km you get at club level. Improved bowling techniques is good to prevent long term injury and improve pace consistency but it hasn't made today's bowlers the fastest ever,.
Clearly you have a problem with interpretation which is deeply weakening your argument. If Thommo was that quick, he would EASILY be distinguishable from Lillee, which he was NOT. Even with a slinging action (which makes the ball difficult to spot in the first place). Also, Thommo NEVER exceeded 148 kph after his injuries, which was clearly stated by Thommo and Marsh themselves.
Lol, you reckon Thomson and Marsh would admit he never bowled faster than 160km/h? Tait at the same age struggles to get 150km/h bowls. Your argument that today's bowler's are quicker is analogous to the tallest NBA player today should be the tallest ever cause of improved nutrition etc. You can't teach talent, you can nurture it but it's most unlikely in cricket's history we've just come across the history's fastest bowlers just when the speed gun was introduced. What a coincidence:)
Anyway, I have NEVER heard about or seen a SINGLE bowler clock at or around 150 kph at club level cricket. I could tell you personally, that regardless of how inaccurate a bowler is, if he bowls at THAT pace, he is immediately thrown into at least A grade cricket and worked with. Just look at Shaun Tait early in his career - extremely wayward but rapid, still good enough to earn a spot in the Redbacks. Trust me, 150 kph is virtually non existent below State level.
Thirdly, I don't know where you play cricket but where I come from 130 kph for a club bowler is extremely hard to find let alone 150 kph!! lol. C'mon mate, you sound ridiculous with that statement. Btw, the level I play is not that far off from Test and I can tell you, the quickest domestic bowler in Australia at the moment, is Ryan Harris who clocks at about 145 kph max. lol. 150 kph!?!? That's just silly mate.
No it's not silly. I know a few people who have clocked 150km/h, and one of them was dropped from Gordon's 1st grade team after 3 games cause his 3 over spells were not fruitful. Another was a 5'9 left-armer who bowled 6 leg byes at Newcastle's no:1 in a club match. He was incredible(quicker than Lee and same generation), more extreme action than Thomo's, but tore a hole in his hamstring. I've faced Akhtar, Sami Lee, Bond(broke my pad), and it's not rare to find this pace in Sydney clubs.
You know people from NSW in Adelaide grade cricket cause they can't get anywhere in Sydney, cause it's too competitive.A not yet too seasoned Waqar Younis didn't do too much either (according to Dickie Bird the quickest ever). International cricket is the most competitive no doubt but not necessary where you find the world's quickest beyond any doubt. Wasim Akram introduced Shoaib as the quickest of Pakistan's new generation only, and added he's up there with our quickest produced so far.
No offense mate but there aren't a lot of National players from the Australian side that speak, read, and write Japanese so I'm definitely not buying the whole Sami, Bond, Akhtar, etc....However, I'm not going to insult you (even though pads never break because they're made of a spongy residue thatss meant to absorb impact, not deflect it)
You ask Brett Lee about Michael Gerits a 6'5 batsman who bowled consistently 142km/h and was only a part time bowler with him at Mosman. He chose to be a bat cause he sometimes has back problems. My point is this pace isn't rare and although you get the best bowlers at interantional level the average pace isn't too different from grade cricket. Burt Cockley wasn't even seen as the fastest in Newcastle and now opens for NSW.
Haha, please. So you bowled 152 kph, never played for Australia A, and STILL managed to play against Sami, Akhtar, and Bond? (Not to mention you "broke your pad") lol. Seems like you have more credentials than our own Dizzy Gillespie!! lmao. You are incredibly wrong here and are honestly beginning to turn an already comical convo into a sad debate. Anyway, no part timer would EVER bowl that fast and stick to JUST batting. And there are NO bowlers at club level cricket that bowl 150+ kph!! jeez
And no offense, but during the Lee, Akhtar, and Sami era, there were/are no Asian players that high in the circuit. Seems sad but it's true and not many white Aussies speak, read and write Japanese so.....quit embarrassing yourself mate lol
Whatever mate, I give up, who said I speak an asian language? If Thomo got to 160 and Lillee just under and your saying today's fastest is 145km/h then how does the argument that today's bowlers are much quicker? I don't believe Dizzy wouldn't know people who never played professional who could bowl pace up with his. Ones over 155km/h are really rare but rare as in 1/1000 men has that ability not 1/1000,000. Look at the teams Australia country plays.
Umm, half of your profile is in Japanese!! lmao. And I'm pretty certain that non Asians wouldn't view Asian tv shows with no subtitles or relevance to Australian culture. lol It's pretty obvious mate. And by "today's bowlers being far quicker" I mean that exactly. They're fitter and stronger unlike Thommo's "weekend warrior" generation no offense to him whatsoever. In all honesty we have to be realistic, cricket has evolved and so have the players.
Umm, perhaps this isn't my account although I knew you would probably went through negooog's account and spoke through others mouths rather give honest accounts of your own. Your argument is today's bowlers are quicker, and that obviously isn't the case by your own evidence presented that Harris at 145km/h is. That is all that is needed.
lmao Right right so you and another person share an account which "Negoog" customizes and you just leave alone? Too hard to create your own profile huh? lol. Who are you trying to fool? Anyway, my argument is that Thommo never bowled as quick as you stated. Btw, Harris is not the only bowler around and just as a suggestion, I recommend you look up his bowling title on cricinfo - he's labeled right arm fast MEDIUM. In Thommo's days he would certainly be right arm fast end of discussion
I don't do myspace either. You're argument was today's bowlers are faster than ever. You admitted Thomson got to 160 and Lillee just under even though those guys were just seen as some of the fastest of their era. Today we don't have two guys in in the Australian team who are that quick ley alone the world. Cricinfo changed me from fast to fast/med only after I got a contract without any reason. Half the 17 year old bowlers are put down as fast.
Wrong again, my argument was that Thommo was NEVER as quick as some people (spectators) like yourself think (100 +mph). Look at Pak's Sami - the bloke clocked 156 kph in the Cherry Blossom cup 02 and slowed down DRASTICALLY since. If no speed guns were present, that delivery he bowled would have been a part of his rep for his entire career - like Thomson. Sorry mate but Thommo had too much advantage over batsmen back then not to mention the fact that he was NEVER officially clocked at 100 mph.
Exactly. Many people are not officially recorded at over 150 but there are many out there who can (contact Narrabbeen sports academy or any local indoor facitilty that has a gun. We got Grant balfour major league pitcher at 176k's off a bunny hop run.
Mark Cameron clocked 137km/h raw when he moved to Sydney and after heaps of coaching isn't any quicker. It helps some people but fast bowlers of 150 160 clicks have always been around but now with technology we know who they are. That history's fastest turned up as the speed gun was introduced would be an incredible coincidence.
And yes you're right, Dizzy wouldn't know of any club level bowler who bowls that fast because there aren't any! All of them are at or above state level! Like I said, any player who can bowl above 150 kph is a gem for world cricket and is brought on to at least A level for improvement regardless of wayward line and length ie Slinga Tait.
I agree the bowlers of the mid 70's to early 80's were the quickest.
Thomson, Lillee, Holding, Croft, Roberts, Daniel, Clarke, Marshall etc) all hitting 92+mph ball after ball I would estimate and loads others of 87-90mph (Garner, Willis, Snow, Ward, Imran, Holder, Botham, Baptiste etc).
Nowadays you have Steyn, Tait & Malinga who are express when in full flow then a few bowlers around 88-90mph max (Flintoff, Harmison, Hilfenhaus, Sharma, Edwards, M.Morkel).
Not many people disagree. Dilogi was trying to convince me that before the introduction of the speed gun international bowlers were bowling at club level pace. He believes bowlers are gradually getting quicker in the same way improved nutrition in a third world country makes each generation slightly taller than the last.
Also, if you feel 150 kph is common and normal, than you clearly watch too much International cricket. I regularly play guys who bowl around the 135 kph bracket and can tell you that only the FASTEST bowlers around can get up to 150 kph let alone cross it.
I've played the highest level too. I never played for Australia but I played Aus country in my late teens vs QLD, WA many times vs touring pakistan XI NZ played NSW 2ndXI at 20, then after shoulder surgery/uni etc work in countries where there isn't much cricket. I was clocked at 152km/h at Narrabbeen sport academy in 2004. I know bowlers who were clocked higher who can't make state sides, one who gets 140's consistently dropped from N Sydney first grade.
thommo is fast! but seriously, c'mon quit being bias, he was not as fast as shoaib. i dont even like shoaib, but he was faster. shoaib had an insane sense of urgency, he put like every ounce of power he had into his bowls, i mean his run up was huge and he couldn't bowl long spells cos of of his force.
you don't know enough about Thomo. Thomo was quicker. Although he was clocked at 163km/h this was well after his knee injury. Thomo's runup was half that of Akthar's. There maybe quicker bowlers than Thomo too. The measuring of speeds is only new and since the intro many have been over 160km/h
Negooog, relax man, you comment on every single Thomson vid I've seen so far and have brought up several inconsistencies. First off, officially, Thomson was NEVER recorded at 163 kph, it was 160 +- about .5 kph. Second, he was FULLY AWARE that he was being clocked, so he would muster up all of his force to deliver the ball. Third, cricket wasn't taken half as seriously back then as it is today so chances are, in terms of sheer strength, Akhtar and Lee were far stronger/quicker at their peaks.
It was put at 162.3km/h in the Guinness record book 88. I don't want to compare him to today's quickest cause it's difficult to do, but I don't think today's quickest are history's quickest, arguments both ways have little basis'. Today's cricket crowds are smaller and the amount of people playing club cricket in Australia, England, WI has declined, so it is taken less seriously. Maybe more in India and Pakistan though.
I comment on every video I watch and I recently took a liking to Thomson cause I like his action. Of today's fast bowlers I like Johnson and Shoaib, and although I believe Thomson was quicker than today's quickest, I reckon now the speed gun is used we'll see many new players emerge break 100mph and beyond.
If the Guiness World Book of records actually claims Thomson to have bowled 162.3 kph, I would love to see some citations. The ICC doesn't officially recognize it, which probably means the technology wasn't reliable enough back then to make and serious claims. Also, you can make all the assumptions you would like, the fact is that before Thommo was clocked, it wasn't clear who was quicker; Lilee or himself. Lilee bowled at around 150kph, you can see where I'm headed with this.
I wasn't agreeing with you, I was basically saying that if Thomson was as quick as you claim - 100+ mph then batsmen would EASILY be able to tell who the faster bowler was. Until the recordings, if you watch the video titled 'Lillee and Thomson bowling speeds", you would see that people thought Lillee was faster, because of his size. As a professional cricketer myself, I can tell you there is a significant difference b/w a 90 mph delivery vs. a 93 mph delivery let alone 93 (150) vs 100+ (161 +)!
So, in conclusion, Thommo was nowhere near 100+ mph ever, and simply "upped the ante" when he knew he was being clocked. Like many other people, I'm certain that Lee and Akhtar were faster than him at their peaks. Face it, athletes today are machines, not weekend warriors (exaggeration) as they once were. And remember, his action also made it difficult to spot the ball, so he could have been bowling 150 kph, and it would have seemed 160 + with the ball coming from behind Thommos waist!
Ask Lillee himself how many young guns since Lee he trained to clocked over 150km/h compared with before. I was one of them 5 years after Lee. but work has me between Taiwan/Korea/Germany where I can only get a few poms and Indians together on a weekend with an indoor ball. Lillee himself agrees with me that today's top , pace bowlers are no more quicker than yesterdays. The training is better but the source of talent has diminished due to less people playing.
So you stand behind Thomo was no where near 100mph? Are you seasonal pro or all year round pro? You play in SA where you might face Tait otherwise you'll get bowlers who couldn't make the Sydney second grade so go there and get State contracts. The difference between 150 and 160 is there aren't many in SA who bowl it. Gordon had a second grader who was clocked 154km/h at Narrabeen sports acad about 5 years ago but pursued league. You must use the bowling machine alot.
Sorry but I couldn't care less about what someone claims or "says" even if it is Lillee himself. Unless you cite a speed gun reading at above 100 mph for Thomson, I, along with Australian TEST cricketers ie Justin Langer, will stand by the fact that modern day bowlers (far better trained, with slower pitches going against them forcing them to bowl that much quicker), are far more pacy than bowlers from a generation with no helmets, bouncy Waca's, and inexperienced batsmen.
With all due respect, Thomson was about 10-20 km/h faster than either Lee or Shoaib. This clip doesn't show much and older footage isn't a good but Thommo bowled over 160km/h when he injured.
Mr. ken, in those days, speed measuring instruments weren't as accurate as they are today, hence we cannot be certain that Thomson (nonetheless, a great fast bowling legend)bowled 100 mph. And to bowl at 100 mph whilst injured - is beyond belief. That would be surreal
Thomo was the fastest ever. In those times they measured the speed when the ball reached the bat or when the ball passed the poping crease. Nowadays the speed is measured at release. I know this because I skysports shows the ball's speed at delievry after hitting the pitch and @ batsman. I reckon had the analysis been done today, Thomo would have clocked faster. Shoaib's performance doesn't seem impressive because his secret is out. Thomo was a natural, drank beer and bowled fast. My two cents.
@arod85 I thought the readings were taken after the ball reaches the batting crease even back then. In that case u can measure the time elapsed to travel the distance of the pitch to calculate the speed. Speed guns use this technology too by using ultra sound waves. And abt Shoaibs performance. I think it's pretty impressive coz he used his pace to swing the ball unlike Tait who bowls wides. Bret Lee used his pace with line and length. Shoibs arms are god gifted with that hyperextension.
@arod85 Your first point about measuring speed isn't true; in both the WACA tests in 1975 and the World's Fastest Bowler Competition in 1979, the pace was measured by high-speed camera, the 1979 one in front of a grid, and it was measured from the hand. However, Thomson did clock up 92mph in 1979 when he was out of cricket for a year "drinking beer and sitting on his backside" as he put it, so he was definitely very quick and may well still have been the fastest ever!
@arod85 Thomson being way faster than Shoiab or Bret Lee is a myth... Look at this speed test video of past bowlers...watch?v=eym816XG2vc
In this video Thomson was recorded at 147.9 km/hr as his fastest with avg of 142 km/hr... In this same video Holding was at 141 fastest and 140 as average...
Keep in mind that in this video their is no batsman... The sole purpose of the bowlers is to bowl fast with ample amount of warm up and rest...
Mr. ken, in those days, speed measuring instruments weren't as accurate as they are today, hence we cannot be certain that Thomson (nonetheless, a great fast bowling legend)bowled 100 mph. And to bowl at 100 mph whilst injured - is beyond belief. That would be surreal
U R right about the speed cameras but they weren't that inaccurate either. There are a handful of people who have played against both Thommo & Lee (eg Ken Hall) in Sydney grade cricket. They will tell you that playing Lee aged 40 odd was not as frightening as facing Thommo when they were in their teens/early 20s. Thommo was actually returning from injury when he was clocked at 160km/h (not quite back at full throttle and that has been well documented).
This was from 1977, after he had a serious shoulder injury. I recommend you watch 'jeff thomson bowling 1' which was from 74,75 - he was quick alright!
really? a 3 second clip has 43000 views?
ianwilson2007 8 months ago
Thommo was fast, but Imran Khan was better looking. Bumped into him at the empty Newcastle No 1 ground, must have forgotten his kit. Had a foxy chic chick in a red Alfa with him. Way cool. A little bit weird now, but way cool back then.
kaitimebb 1 year ago
HE LOOK WAY FASTER THAN SHOAIB AND LEE.
no speedometer at that time
rodtorre7 1 year ago
@rodtorre7 Fuck yeah!.
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Imrankniazi 1 year ago
THIS IS JUST I THINK LESS THAN 80 MPH BOWL....
maryamfariha 1 year ago
@maryamfariha well your a dipshit! I'd like you to face it and then tell me its just under 80mph dumb prick
Lefferable 1 year ago
@Lefferable mr mother fucker.....imran khan was faster than this dumb idiot thomson..lolz...
maryamfariha 1 year ago
@maryamfariha Dude, why are you so angry at the world? I notice your nonesensical comments on all cricket videos.
Did a group of cricketers gang-bang your mum or something? You should contact the police if that's the case. Why are you always so mad?
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
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MrHallucinated100 1 year ago
@maryamfariha No he was not !imran khan was a proven cheat..A medium fast bowler and now probably a suicide bomber.................
nighterjay 1 year ago
@Lefferable Dude, this 'maryamfariha' is a known trouble-maker and you can find his lame comments in many cricket videos.
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Imrankniazi 1 year ago
@maryamfariha u can't even face 50 mph
aussiecricket100 1 year ago
The reading is taken slightly after the ball is released: instaneous speed of the ball can be tracked @ different points in its trajectory. Upon contacting the pitch surface, ball loses significant amount of energy, and reduces speed of ball @ the batsman. This lose of energy varies depending on the ball and surface interaction, meaning if the ball's speed is measured @ batsman, nature of pitch would play an important role determining who is faster. Speed @ release then the best criterion.
arod85 1 year ago
Thommo and Lillee are now selling arthritis drugs on TV.
/Kim Hughes.
//nevarr forget
leskay1 2 years ago
@leskay1 They got little money from Cricket Australia, Bradman treated cricket australia's money like it was his own.
allen2096 1 year ago
Justin Langer's opinion on fast bowling over Lillee's? Wow, do you know who is responsible for today's "better trained" bowlers. Marsh stood 36 metres behind the stumps on these slow wickets and sometimes it wasn't far enough, also said he was faster than Lillee even against the wind. How could bowling actions today rival that of a trained javelin thrower, let alone get more arm distance over the crease?
negooog 3 years ago
So you're saying that Thomson, who had such an unusual action, bowled on AMAZINGLY bowling-friendly pitches against batsmen with no helmets ( who, not to mention, had about a third of the experience of modern day batsmen) had no clear advantage in terms of pace perception? From both keeper and batsman that is? Thommo wouldn't last a season on todays slow and flat batting paradises. Akhtar and Lee were far quicker than Thomson at their peaks and no suck up keeper's opinions are going to change it
dilogi 3 years ago
And by keeper, I meant Marsh of course. Btw, Quicker through the air could mean slower off the pitch [than Lillee] which means there wasn't a significant difference in the pace of the two. Remember, Lilee's QUICKEST delivery was in the low 150 k's; confirming my point. His average was pace was around 145 kph which means Thomson was never bowling over 160 kph otherwise it would be faar too obvious - which it wasn't.
dilogi 3 years ago
That wasn't sound reasoning, nor does "quicker through the air slower off the pitch" confirm Thomson didn't exceed 160 clicks. I'm impressed he did it at the twilight of his career after injury where Lee or Shoaib might get mid 140's max. Still bowlers exceeding 150km/km you get at club level. Improved bowling techniques is good to prevent long term injury and improve pace consistency but it hasn't made today's bowlers the fastest ever,.
negooog 3 years ago
Clearly you have a problem with interpretation which is deeply weakening your argument. If Thommo was that quick, he would EASILY be distinguishable from Lillee, which he was NOT. Even with a slinging action (which makes the ball difficult to spot in the first place). Also, Thommo NEVER exceeded 148 kph after his injuries, which was clearly stated by Thommo and Marsh themselves.
dilogi 3 years ago
Lol, you reckon Thomson and Marsh would admit he never bowled faster than 160km/h? Tait at the same age struggles to get 150km/h bowls. Your argument that today's bowler's are quicker is analogous to the tallest NBA player today should be the tallest ever cause of improved nutrition etc. You can't teach talent, you can nurture it but it's most unlikely in cricket's history we've just come across the history's fastest bowlers just when the speed gun was introduced. What a coincidence:)
negooog 3 years ago
Anyway, I have NEVER heard about or seen a SINGLE bowler clock at or around 150 kph at club level cricket. I could tell you personally, that regardless of how inaccurate a bowler is, if he bowls at THAT pace, he is immediately thrown into at least A grade cricket and worked with. Just look at Shaun Tait early in his career - extremely wayward but rapid, still good enough to earn a spot in the Redbacks. Trust me, 150 kph is virtually non existent below State level.
dilogi 3 years ago
Thirdly, I don't know where you play cricket but where I come from 130 kph for a club bowler is extremely hard to find let alone 150 kph!! lol. C'mon mate, you sound ridiculous with that statement. Btw, the level I play is not that far off from Test and I can tell you, the quickest domestic bowler in Australia at the moment, is Ryan Harris who clocks at about 145 kph max. lol. 150 kph!?!? That's just silly mate.
dilogi 3 years ago
No it's not silly. I know a few people who have clocked 150km/h, and one of them was dropped from Gordon's 1st grade team after 3 games cause his 3 over spells were not fruitful. Another was a 5'9 left-armer who bowled 6 leg byes at Newcastle's no:1 in a club match. He was incredible(quicker than Lee and same generation), more extreme action than Thomo's, but tore a hole in his hamstring. I've faced Akhtar, Sami Lee, Bond(broke my pad), and it's not rare to find this pace in Sydney clubs.
negooog 3 years ago
You know people from NSW in Adelaide grade cricket cause they can't get anywhere in Sydney, cause it's too competitive.A not yet too seasoned Waqar Younis didn't do too much either (according to Dickie Bird the quickest ever). International cricket is the most competitive no doubt but not necessary where you find the world's quickest beyond any doubt. Wasim Akram introduced Shoaib as the quickest of Pakistan's new generation only, and added he's up there with our quickest produced so far.
negooog 3 years ago
No offense mate but there aren't a lot of National players from the Australian side that speak, read, and write Japanese so I'm definitely not buying the whole Sami, Bond, Akhtar, etc....However, I'm not going to insult you (even though pads never break because they're made of a spongy residue thatss meant to absorb impact, not deflect it)
dilogi 3 years ago
You ask Brett Lee about Michael Gerits a 6'5 batsman who bowled consistently 142km/h and was only a part time bowler with him at Mosman. He chose to be a bat cause he sometimes has back problems. My point is this pace isn't rare and although you get the best bowlers at interantional level the average pace isn't too different from grade cricket. Burt Cockley wasn't even seen as the fastest in Newcastle and now opens for NSW.
negooog 3 years ago
Haha, please. So you bowled 152 kph, never played for Australia A, and STILL managed to play against Sami, Akhtar, and Bond? (Not to mention you "broke your pad") lol. Seems like you have more credentials than our own Dizzy Gillespie!! lmao. You are incredibly wrong here and are honestly beginning to turn an already comical convo into a sad debate. Anyway, no part timer would EVER bowl that fast and stick to JUST batting. And there are NO bowlers at club level cricket that bowl 150+ kph!! jeez
dilogi 3 years ago
And no offense, but during the Lee, Akhtar, and Sami era, there were/are no Asian players that high in the circuit. Seems sad but it's true and not many white Aussies speak, read and write Japanese so.....quit embarrassing yourself mate lol
dilogi 3 years ago
Whatever mate, I give up, who said I speak an asian language? If Thomo got to 160 and Lillee just under and your saying today's fastest is 145km/h then how does the argument that today's bowlers are much quicker? I don't believe Dizzy wouldn't know people who never played professional who could bowl pace up with his. Ones over 155km/h are really rare but rare as in 1/1000 men has that ability not 1/1000,000. Look at the teams Australia country plays.
negooog 3 years ago
Umm, half of your profile is in Japanese!! lmao. And I'm pretty certain that non Asians wouldn't view Asian tv shows with no subtitles or relevance to Australian culture. lol It's pretty obvious mate. And by "today's bowlers being far quicker" I mean that exactly. They're fitter and stronger unlike Thommo's "weekend warrior" generation no offense to him whatsoever. In all honesty we have to be realistic, cricket has evolved and so have the players.
dilogi 3 years ago
Umm, perhaps this isn't my account although I knew you would probably went through negooog's account and spoke through others mouths rather give honest accounts of your own. Your argument is today's bowlers are quicker, and that obviously isn't the case by your own evidence presented that Harris at 145km/h is. That is all that is needed.
negooog 3 years ago
lmao Right right so you and another person share an account which "Negoog" customizes and you just leave alone? Too hard to create your own profile huh? lol. Who are you trying to fool? Anyway, my argument is that Thommo never bowled as quick as you stated. Btw, Harris is not the only bowler around and just as a suggestion, I recommend you look up his bowling title on cricinfo - he's labeled right arm fast MEDIUM. In Thommo's days he would certainly be right arm fast end of discussion
dilogi 3 years ago
I don't do myspace either. You're argument was today's bowlers are faster than ever. You admitted Thomson got to 160 and Lillee just under even though those guys were just seen as some of the fastest of their era. Today we don't have two guys in in the Australian team who are that quick ley alone the world. Cricinfo changed me from fast to fast/med only after I got a contract without any reason. Half the 17 year old bowlers are put down as fast.
negooog 3 years ago
Wrong again, my argument was that Thommo was NEVER as quick as some people (spectators) like yourself think (100 +mph). Look at Pak's Sami - the bloke clocked 156 kph in the Cherry Blossom cup 02 and slowed down DRASTICALLY since. If no speed guns were present, that delivery he bowled would have been a part of his rep for his entire career - like Thomson. Sorry mate but Thommo had too much advantage over batsmen back then not to mention the fact that he was NEVER officially clocked at 100 mph.
dilogi 3 years ago
Exactly. Many people are not officially recorded at over 150 but there are many out there who can (contact Narrabbeen sports academy or any local indoor facitilty that has a gun. We got Grant balfour major league pitcher at 176k's off a bunny hop run.
negooog 3 years ago
Mark Cameron clocked 137km/h raw when he moved to Sydney and after heaps of coaching isn't any quicker. It helps some people but fast bowlers of 150 160 clicks have always been around but now with technology we know who they are. That history's fastest turned up as the speed gun was introduced would be an incredible coincidence.
negooog 3 years ago
I have been clocked at over 150. In Taipei baseball nets I can get 135+ without a runup, but hey, Afridi can do that bowling legspin.
negooog 3 years ago
And yes you're right, Dizzy wouldn't know of any club level bowler who bowls that fast because there aren't any! All of them are at or above state level! Like I said, any player who can bowl above 150 kph is a gem for world cricket and is brought on to at least A level for improvement regardless of wayward line and length ie Slinga Tait.
dilogi 3 years ago
I agree the bowlers of the mid 70's to early 80's were the quickest.
Thomson, Lillee, Holding, Croft, Roberts, Daniel, Clarke, Marshall etc) all hitting 92+mph ball after ball I would estimate and loads others of 87-90mph (Garner, Willis, Snow, Ward, Imran, Holder, Botham, Baptiste etc).
Nowadays you have Steyn, Tait & Malinga who are express when in full flow then a few bowlers around 88-90mph max (Flintoff, Harmison, Hilfenhaus, Sharma, Edwards, M.Morkel).
rivera213 3 years ago
Not many people disagree. Dilogi was trying to convince me that before the introduction of the speed gun international bowlers were bowling at club level pace. He believes bowlers are gradually getting quicker in the same way improved nutrition in a third world country makes each generation slightly taller than the last.
negooog 3 years ago
I would put Malinga in the 88-90mph category. Kemar Roach of West Indies is genuine express though!
cricketluver4life 1 year ago
Also, if you feel 150 kph is common and normal, than you clearly watch too much International cricket. I regularly play guys who bowl around the 135 kph bracket and can tell you that only the FASTEST bowlers around can get up to 150 kph let alone cross it.
dilogi 3 years ago
I've played the highest level too. I never played for Australia but I played Aus country in my late teens vs QLD, WA many times vs touring pakistan XI NZ played NSW 2ndXI at 20, then after shoulder surgery/uni etc work in countries where there isn't much cricket. I was clocked at 152km/h at Narrabbeen sport academy in 2004. I know bowlers who were clocked higher who can't make state sides, one who gets 140's consistently dropped from N Sydney first grade.
negooog 3 years ago
thommo is fast! but seriously, c'mon quit being bias, he was not as fast as shoaib. i dont even like shoaib, but he was faster. shoaib had an insane sense of urgency, he put like every ounce of power he had into his bowls, i mean his run up was huge and he couldn't bowl long spells cos of of his force.
salmoms 3 years ago
you don't know enough about Thomo. Thomo was quicker. Although he was clocked at 163km/h this was well after his knee injury. Thomo's runup was half that of Akthar's. There maybe quicker bowlers than Thomo too. The measuring of speeds is only new and since the intro many have been over 160km/h
negooog 3 years ago
Negooog, relax man, you comment on every single Thomson vid I've seen so far and have brought up several inconsistencies. First off, officially, Thomson was NEVER recorded at 163 kph, it was 160 +- about .5 kph. Second, he was FULLY AWARE that he was being clocked, so he would muster up all of his force to deliver the ball. Third, cricket wasn't taken half as seriously back then as it is today so chances are, in terms of sheer strength, Akhtar and Lee were far stronger/quicker at their peaks.
dilogi 3 years ago
It was put at 162.3km/h in the Guinness record book 88. I don't want to compare him to today's quickest cause it's difficult to do, but I don't think today's quickest are history's quickest, arguments both ways have little basis'. Today's cricket crowds are smaller and the amount of people playing club cricket in Australia, England, WI has declined, so it is taken less seriously. Maybe more in India and Pakistan though.
negooog 3 years ago
I comment on every video I watch and I recently took a liking to Thomson cause I like his action. Of today's fast bowlers I like Johnson and Shoaib, and although I believe Thomson was quicker than today's quickest, I reckon now the speed gun is used we'll see many new players emerge break 100mph and beyond.
negooog 3 years ago
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dilogi 3 years ago
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If the Guiness World Book of records actually claims Thomson to have bowled 162.3 kph, I would love to see some citations. The ICC doesn't officially recognize it, which probably means the technology wasn't reliable enough back then to make and serious claims. Also, you can make all the assumptions you would like, the fact is that before Thommo was clocked, it wasn't clear who was quicker; Lilee or himself. Lilee bowled at around 150kph, you can see where I'm headed with this.
dilogi 3 years ago
Precisely, now you get it. Lillee himself reckons the candidates these days are less than in his.
negooog 3 years ago
I wasn't agreeing with you, I was basically saying that if Thomson was as quick as you claim - 100+ mph then batsmen would EASILY be able to tell who the faster bowler was. Until the recordings, if you watch the video titled 'Lillee and Thomson bowling speeds", you would see that people thought Lillee was faster, because of his size. As a professional cricketer myself, I can tell you there is a significant difference b/w a 90 mph delivery vs. a 93 mph delivery let alone 93 (150) vs 100+ (161 +)!
dilogi 3 years ago
So, in conclusion, Thommo was nowhere near 100+ mph ever, and simply "upped the ante" when he knew he was being clocked. Like many other people, I'm certain that Lee and Akhtar were faster than him at their peaks. Face it, athletes today are machines, not weekend warriors (exaggeration) as they once were. And remember, his action also made it difficult to spot the ball, so he could have been bowling 150 kph, and it would have seemed 160 + with the ball coming from behind Thommos waist!
dilogi 3 years ago
Ask Lillee himself how many young guns since Lee he trained to clocked over 150km/h compared with before. I was one of them 5 years after Lee. but work has me between Taiwan/Korea/Germany where I can only get a few poms and Indians together on a weekend with an indoor ball. Lillee himself agrees with me that today's top , pace bowlers are no more quicker than yesterdays. The training is better but the source of talent has diminished due to less people playing.
negooog 3 years ago
So you stand behind Thomo was no where near 100mph? Are you seasonal pro or all year round pro? You play in SA where you might face Tait otherwise you'll get bowlers who couldn't make the Sydney second grade so go there and get State contracts. The difference between 150 and 160 is there aren't many in SA who bowl it. Gordon had a second grader who was clocked 154km/h at Narrabeen sports acad about 5 years ago but pursued league. You must use the bowling machine alot.
negooog 3 years ago
Sorry but I couldn't care less about what someone claims or "says" even if it is Lillee himself. Unless you cite a speed gun reading at above 100 mph for Thomson, I, along with Australian TEST cricketers ie Justin Langer, will stand by the fact that modern day bowlers (far better trained, with slower pitches going against them forcing them to bowl that much quicker), are far more pacy than bowlers from a generation with no helmets, bouncy Waca's, and inexperienced batsmen.
dilogi 3 years ago
Gotta say - he doesn't look as fast as he's made out to be. Shoaib & lee r faster i reckon
spyker786 4 years ago
With all due respect, Thomson was about 10-20 km/h faster than either Lee or Shoaib. This clip doesn't show much and older footage isn't a good but Thommo bowled over 160km/h when he injured.
kenmac61 4 years ago
Mr. ken, in those days, speed measuring instruments weren't as accurate as they are today, hence we cannot be certain that Thomson (nonetheless, a great fast bowling legend)bowled 100 mph. And to bowl at 100 mph whilst injured - is beyond belief. That would be surreal
spyker786 4 years ago
Thomo was the fastest ever. In those times they measured the speed when the ball reached the bat or when the ball passed the poping crease. Nowadays the speed is measured at release. I know this because I skysports shows the ball's speed at delievry after hitting the pitch and @ batsman. I reckon had the analysis been done today, Thomo would have clocked faster. Shoaib's performance doesn't seem impressive because his secret is out. Thomo was a natural, drank beer and bowled fast. My two cents.
arod85 3 years ago 12
@arod85 I thought the readings were taken after the ball reaches the batting crease even back then. In that case u can measure the time elapsed to travel the distance of the pitch to calculate the speed. Speed guns use this technology too by using ultra sound waves. And abt Shoaibs performance. I think it's pretty impressive coz he used his pace to swing the ball unlike Tait who bowls wides. Bret Lee used his pace with line and length. Shoibs arms are god gifted with that hyperextension.
naughtyboyya 1 year ago
@arod85 Your first point about measuring speed isn't true; in both the WACA tests in 1975 and the World's Fastest Bowler Competition in 1979, the pace was measured by high-speed camera, the 1979 one in front of a grid, and it was measured from the hand. However, Thomson did clock up 92mph in 1979 when he was out of cricket for a year "drinking beer and sitting on his backside" as he put it, so he was definitely very quick and may well still have been the fastest ever!
astralphoenix 7 months ago
@arod85 Thomson being way faster than Shoiab or Bret Lee is a myth... Look at this speed test video of past bowlers...watch?v=eym816XG2vc
In this video Thomson was recorded at 147.9 km/hr as his fastest with avg of 142 km/hr... In this same video Holding was at 141 fastest and 140 as average...
Keep in mind that in this video their is no batsman... The sole purpose of the bowlers is to bowl fast with ample amount of warm up and rest...
yasir092 2 weeks ago
Mr. ken, in those days, speed measuring instruments weren't as accurate as they are today, hence we cannot be certain that Thomson (nonetheless, a great fast bowling legend)bowled 100 mph. And to bowl at 100 mph whilst injured - is beyond belief. That would be surreal
spyker786 4 years ago
U R right about the speed cameras but they weren't that inaccurate either. There are a handful of people who have played against both Thommo & Lee (eg Ken Hall) in Sydney grade cricket. They will tell you that playing Lee aged 40 odd was not as frightening as facing Thommo when they were in their teens/early 20s. Thommo was actually returning from injury when he was clocked at 160km/h (not quite back at full throttle and that has been well documented).
kenmac61 4 years ago
This was from 1977, after he had a serious shoulder injury. I recommend you watch 'jeff thomson bowling 1' which was from 74,75 - he was quick alright!
whouster 3 years ago
You've just wasted two seconds of my life.
JasonRadley 4 years ago
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mrhumayun 4 years ago