Such an ignorant and simplistic point of view. You should be embarrassed.
I've been bodybuilding for 7 years, I know how to train well and safely. However, I also have a reoccurring shoulder injury (impingement of the coracobrachialis) due to ..... weak shoulder stabilisers! Wow isn't this impossible according to you? Caused by posterior muscular imbalance, poor posture and not activating/strengthening/engaging my shoulder stabilisers.
hi steve. One thinh i dont understand is calesthenics. I know u make a point about needing high intensity exercise to cause muscular growth, but is there any value in doing for example hundreds of push ups dips etc, exept for endurance.. i dont understand how someone (mike tyson) can weigh 230 pounds of pure muscle,, and according to himself, only ever did intense calesthetics.. thanyou
hi steve. One thinh i dont understand is calesthenics. I know u make a point about needing high intensity exercise to cause muscular growth, but is there any value in doing for example hundreds of push ups dips etc, exept for endurance.. i dont understand how someone (mike tyson) can weigh 230 pounds of pure muscle,, and according to himself, only ever did intense calesthetics.. thanyou
i guess this makes since. I suppose the only effect from using a ball to exercise just burns more calories then? Last month i was doing dumbbell press to work out chest. And i saw my friend doing it with a single, on hand at a time, rather than two at a time. I tried it and REALLY worked up a sweat, much more than normal.
Nice video and from what I've seen, people are tricked into thinking they're actually training a muscle. For example, doing pushups on one of those balance balls. People think they're training muscles because they had problems at first and now they can do them. I think that's more of a learned effect, like playing the piano or shooting a basketball. The whole stabilizer muscles things just sounds like a bunch of marketing hype to sell more equipment.
@MrBrockification Thanks! Theres also more great info on my BlogTalkRadio show. Once there search Steve Turano. The show can also be downloaded from iTunes. The most recent shows can also be heard on my website home page (at the bottom) once they upload. Tell a friend! ~Steve
being a trainer i can relate to this, someone ask me once if tricep pushdown will help to bounce a basketball lol, i said nooooooooo only a basketball drills and pratices will do this. Some people are so confused.
@MrBrockification Agreed. And many of them are trainers!!!!!!! Theres also more great info on my BlogTalkRadio show. Once there search Steve Turano. I had great shows 4-13, 4-14, and 4-16. The show can also be downloaded from iTunes. The most recent shows can also be heard on my website home page (at the bottom) once they upload. Tell a friend! ~Steve Turano
A thought-provoking video, Steve - thanks. I think it may be true that machine-only training may allow stabilizing muscles to get overlooked, but it makes sense that ordinary bodyweight or free-weight training would challenge stablizers, since you do have to keep either yourself or the weight from falling down. (But maybe I'm biased - I really am not fond of balance balls!).
Yeah, way to generalize then dismiss the point of minor muscle groups. If you go into the gym and only do machines which dont activate these stabilizer muscle groups you have such disdain for then you will only be strong in plane at which those machine move in. Cable, dumbbell and swiss ball moves build stability and strength to all important complex joints (shoulders and hips) more than single-plane machines will ever hope to do.
Lol, drinking the cool-aid of most 'personal trainers' and then throwing a straw-man argument in response. I don't think this guy is advocating machines for training - we all know they suck for pretty much any purpose except isolation for the bodybuilders. Barbell work - squat, press, bench, deads, clean, snatch > stability ball.
How about stretching? I beleive moderate stretching is okay..but some people stretch a lot and end up hurting the very place they stretch ! I don't see animals stretching so I don't do it much neither. They yawn , that's it.
Anyways..nice point here Steve, I watch your videos for motivation everyday..Thanks!
PLUS, then we can REMOVE all those retarded trainers that hog the space on the squat rack doing these retarded exercises. generally most people put one foot in front of the other and just go, without training. LOVE THIS!
Yeah makes sense, do bench press on a bench, and then do it on a ball... see which one is more difficult and more unstable and see which one burns more calories...
if your guna be flack from every fitness expert it probly because your wrong. I know this because my rear delts used to be way out of prefortion, you need to workout all your muscles in conjunction with each other
I dont think if this is 100% true, before when i did train, i had really big problems with one place at my arms when i did benchpress. So i started to train that special Stabilizer muscle, and after that it went really well. Dont know if this is the same thing but.
when it comes to anything its all to do with the brain when u train for balance, strength, power or technique. the more you do something the better you will get at it cause the brain is making more pathways and it eventually starts to get easier to do it just matters how much effort and intensity you put into it for example i have a friend who can do hand stands and flips and other balancing acts but u put him on the bench even with little weight hes shakey an takes alot of effort to balance
for the record i love free weights but primarily work body weight exercises because i suffer music-related tendon problems. gym-ball push ups are a favourite exercise of mine.
My chiro told me to do push ups on an exercise ball. I couldn't do a single push up on it (couldnt keep the ball steady), although the same day I benched 315 three times and did 60+ regular push ups. My chiro said there must be something very wrong with my stabilizers and I should focus on stabilizer exercises -- should I get a new chiro?
Why are you looking to a Chiropractor for advice on a "muscular" problem? Chiropractors are trained in two areas, bones and nerves. Look to a licensed professional massage therapist who is certified and knows Deep Tissue work, or listen to a good trainer. Muscles provide movement, stability of bone, protection of visceral organs, and posture. Bones provide framework, protect vital organs, supply new blood and fats, and serve as paths for the nervous system.
So stabilization is really just a capacity that a muscle can work in, and you do not need to worry about it unless you are training balance and specific techniques?
sorry danefir3 but i agree with bodyperformanceTV i have a friend whos a personal traininer only weightlifts doesnt care for stabilizer stuff but he can do all gymnastic stuff and can do handstands and stuff no problem, and he does better than me only cause hes stronger
i understand how you could think stabilizer muscles could not be important in something like body building. but if you do other sports such as gymnastics it becomes a totally different matter. I don't know if you have ever even attempted doing things like holding handstands or anything at all on the rings, but you need to understand that it takes a completely different kind of strength and its just not something that regular weightlifting would even begin to mess with.
This is the way I understand it: Stabilizers have the function of controlling the core and stabilizing the body in dynamic movements/ or static contractions. I don't agree with the concept of pure stabilizers, but in lifting heavy weights, aren't we negglecting the stabilizers by putting the majority of pressure on mobilizers (quads/ pecs etc), sometimes improperly recruiting or neglecting stabilizers.
You are a complete moron whom doesn't seem to grasp the complete concepts of the physiological and kinesthetic importance of stabilizer muscles. If you think you have such excellent stabilizer muscles, I'd love to see what you could do on the rings, jackass. Seriously, why are you making fitness videos? Do some research before you post.
Why will they say that? Because it builds superior coordination and also builds your "stabilizer" muscles more effectively. Also, to suggest that stabilization isn't important is a little misleading. All joints have muscles that stabilize them. And while I agree that doing free weight exercises will build them, they still shouldn't be dismissed as the latest workout fad.
You know, I understand where you're coming from, and I've gotta say that I'm not a big fan of "stabilizer" workouts either. But, there is a grain of truth to the idea of stabilizers. For instance, you mentioned squatting. Well, biomechanically speaking squatting is no different from doing a Hack squat. Yet, almost any strength coach will tell you that a barbell squat is a superior exercise.
HE PUSHES HEAVY!! Oh I WONDER why? lolz Yeah Steve im with YOU & i believe pushing heavy is the only way to go.. for Muscle development Cheers YET again Steve!!
I like my Trainer Steve but yeah, he has me on "light stuff" He's a big dude who has competed Nationally 10 years ago. Hes just a Trainer now, Thing is Steve.. YET when i watch HIM train
So ditch the "light" & Pick up the Heavy? I used to push Heavy years back, & saw results in my arms etc. My Personal Trainer has me on light stuff & im wondering when DA HELL IM GONA LIFT SOMETHING HEAVY!! Lolz
So FORGET the light stuff (swiss ball, light weights etc). Walk into the gym, GROW some Balls & PUSH Heavy weights.. The OBJECTIVE is to Stress & overload your Muscles, S-A-F-E-L-Y yet effectively. Gaining a MAXIMUM Total Body workout, THE Fastest & ONLY way to Muscle Gain? P.S Eating well, Times to eat, sleeping well etc is incorporated too..
If I ever see a personal trainer doing that shit in my gym I am going to punch a whole in his head! Keep on preaching, brother! How come you don't become a powerlifter and put on some real muscle, instead of just maintaining a tight, chiseled physique? You certainly have the genes.
Thanks. I prefer bodybuilding but my partner and I use extremely heavy weight. I haven't seen any of the powerlifters at our gym do one-arm curls with 90 lb. dumbbells!
You can help answer a question that's been in my mind that I thought I know the answer to.
Why is it lifting weights is easier with machines than free weights? I thought this was, because the machine requires less controled movement; which is using less "stabilizers".
Ok, exactly what I said in different words. I was just confused by Steve's words at the end of the video, "Stabilization will take care of it's self" I guess Steve's video meant. You could still have weak "stabilization" It's just those particular exercizes(stated at the begining) wouldn't do much good; if any.
The guy below me is mad.
backsnaps1 1 month ago
Such an ignorant and simplistic point of view. You should be embarrassed.
I've been bodybuilding for 7 years, I know how to train well and safely. However, I also have a reoccurring shoulder injury (impingement of the coracobrachialis) due to ..... weak shoulder stabilisers! Wow isn't this impossible according to you? Caused by posterior muscular imbalance, poor posture and not activating/strengthening/engaging my shoulder stabilisers.
I can't hold a dip for longer than 20 seconds.
jiounason 2 months ago
true
for example when you workout your bicep
you are actually working out side muscle too (to a lesser degree)
so that the weight doesn't fall side ways both side need to tense up
odiousominious 8 months ago
True. but why is it more difficult to do pullups on rings then a bar then? exactly: because you have to stabilize the rings, so that they dont sway.
wubs23 8 months ago
One arm push up anyone? There's you answer.
keithallenlaw 9 months ago
hi steve. One thinh i dont understand is calesthenics. I know u make a point about needing high intensity exercise to cause muscular growth, but is there any value in doing for example hundreds of push ups dips etc, exept for endurance.. i dont understand how someone (mike tyson) can weigh 230 pounds of pure muscle,, and according to himself, only ever did intense calesthetics.. thanyou
M4nz2010 1 year ago
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hi steve. One thinh i dont understand is calesthenics. I know u make a point about needing high intensity exercise to cause muscular growth, but is there any value in doing for example hundreds of push ups dips etc, exept for endurance.. i dont understand how someone (mike tyson) can weigh 230 pounds of pure muscle,, and according to himself, only ever did intense calesthetics.. thanyou
M4nz2010 1 year ago
i guess this makes since. I suppose the only effect from using a ball to exercise just burns more calories then? Last month i was doing dumbbell press to work out chest. And i saw my friend doing it with a single, on hand at a time, rather than two at a time. I tried it and REALLY worked up a sweat, much more than normal.
trashbash2001 1 year ago
Nice video and from what I've seen, people are tricked into thinking they're actually training a muscle. For example, doing pushups on one of those balance balls. People think they're training muscles because they had problems at first and now they can do them. I think that's more of a learned effect, like playing the piano or shooting a basketball. The whole stabilizer muscles things just sounds like a bunch of marketing hype to sell more equipment.
eurohim 1 year ago
@eurohim Yes! It makes me want to puke, especially when some idiot personal trainer tries to tell me how great it is.
BodyPerformanceTV 1 year ago
@BodyPerformanceTV steve does your breathing matter when doing crunches or sit ups?
al14di 7 months ago in playlist al16di
Hi Steve will do, i like your uploads very short and to the point just like INTENSITY
MrBrockification 1 year ago
@MrBrockification Thanks! Theres also more great info on my BlogTalkRadio show. Once there search Steve Turano. The show can also be downloaded from iTunes. The most recent shows can also be heard on my website home page (at the bottom) once they upload. Tell a friend! ~Steve
BodyPerformanceTV 1 year ago
being a trainer i can relate to this, someone ask me once if tricep pushdown will help to bounce a basketball lol, i said nooooooooo only a basketball drills and pratices will do this. Some people are so confused.
MrBrockification 1 year ago
@MrBrockification Agreed. And many of them are trainers!!!!!!! Theres also more great info on my BlogTalkRadio show. Once there search Steve Turano. I had great shows 4-13, 4-14, and 4-16. The show can also be downloaded from iTunes. The most recent shows can also be heard on my website home page (at the bottom) once they upload. Tell a friend! ~Steve Turano
BodyPerformanceTV 1 year ago
A thought-provoking video, Steve - thanks. I think it may be true that machine-only training may allow stabilizing muscles to get overlooked, but it makes sense that ordinary bodyweight or free-weight training would challenge stablizers, since you do have to keep either yourself or the weight from falling down. (But maybe I'm biased - I really am not fond of balance balls!).
Tigerpaws9097826 1 year ago
@Tigerpaws9097826 Me either. What people don't realize is that that improve ther COORDINATION when using free weights not their stabilizer muscles.
BodyPerformanceTV 1 year ago
Truth.
Riedl1000 1 year ago
Yeah, way to generalize then dismiss the point of minor muscle groups. If you go into the gym and only do machines which dont activate these stabilizer muscle groups you have such disdain for then you will only be strong in plane at which those machine move in. Cable, dumbbell and swiss ball moves build stability and strength to all important complex joints (shoulders and hips) more than single-plane machines will ever hope to do.
mattlikespeoples 2 years ago
"Stabilizers" are used all the time while doing basic exersises!
BodyPerformanceTV 2 years ago
@mattlikespeoples
Lol, drinking the cool-aid of most 'personal trainers' and then throwing a straw-man argument in response. I don't think this guy is advocating machines for training - we all know they suck for pretty much any purpose except isolation for the bodybuilders. Barbell work - squat, press, bench, deads, clean, snatch > stability ball.
imnotbncre8ive 1 year ago
Word!
TheAtomicDon 2 years ago
Thank you. I believe stretching is important to a point. I believe it might help prevent injury but won't guarantee it!
BodyPerformanceTV 2 years ago
haha I hate it when they ask me to do that!
How about stretching? I beleive moderate stretching is okay..but some people stretch a lot and end up hurting the very place they stretch ! I don't see animals stretching so I don't do it much neither. They yawn , that's it.
Anyways..nice point here Steve, I watch your videos for motivation everyday..Thanks!
edwardtang1977 2 years ago
what about the rotator cuff muscles? aren't those stabilizer muscles?
jrg305 2 years ago
Exactly! I've been wondering this for a long time!
dxvanedf 2 years ago
i think it comes down to what people think are stabalizer muscles.
eathis12 2 years ago
TY! TY! TY!
BodyPerformanceTV 2 years ago
can you really squat 500-600 pounds? or was that just an e.g
yffudmailliw 2 years ago
YES YES YES. Thank you Steve. Once again you said what needed to be said.
zerk54 2 years ago
Building the leaning tower of Pizza is what I'm hearing. Tent pegs attached with silly string.
TrevorDeanM 2 years ago
PLUS, then we can REMOVE all those retarded trainers that hog the space on the squat rack doing these retarded exercises. generally most people put one foot in front of the other and just go, without training. LOVE THIS!
number1bigmusclehunk 2 years ago
"Hey big guy"
brandonto 2 years ago 2
Yeah makes sense, do bench press on a bench, and then do it on a ball... see which one is more difficult and more unstable and see which one burns more calories...
asmcriminaL 2 years ago
if your guna be flack from every fitness expert it probly because your wrong. I know this because my rear delts used to be way out of prefortion, you need to workout all your muscles in conjunction with each other
southpointhardcore 3 years ago
I dont think if this is 100% true, before when i did train, i had really big problems with one place at my arms when i did benchpress. So i started to train that special Stabilizer muscle, and after that it went really well. Dont know if this is the same thing but.
orrekorre 3 years ago
amen
kylejjw 3 years ago
when it comes to anything its all to do with the brain when u train for balance, strength, power or technique. the more you do something the better you will get at it cause the brain is making more pathways and it eventually starts to get easier to do it just matters how much effort and intensity you put into it for example i have a friend who can do hand stands and flips and other balancing acts but u put him on the bench even with little weight hes shakey an takes alot of effort to balance
baddog202020 3 years ago
for the record i love free weights but primarily work body weight exercises because i suffer music-related tendon problems. gym-ball push ups are a favourite exercise of mine.
analihilator 3 years ago
we don't get the big cheesy smile at the end when steve is telling someone off !
LOVE YOUR BODY ! (or steve will put a beat down on you)
analihilator 3 years ago
Your chiro is an idiot!
BodyPerformanceTV 3 years ago
hahahahahahahahaha!
Jda4160 3 years ago
My chiro told me to do push ups on an exercise ball. I couldn't do a single push up on it (couldnt keep the ball steady), although the same day I benched 315 three times and did 60+ regular push ups. My chiro said there must be something very wrong with my stabilizers and I should focus on stabilizer exercises -- should I get a new chiro?
ZnajHistory 3 years ago
Why are you looking to a Chiropractor for advice on a "muscular" problem? Chiropractors are trained in two areas, bones and nerves. Look to a licensed professional massage therapist who is certified and knows Deep Tissue work, or listen to a good trainer. Muscles provide movement, stability of bone, protection of visceral organs, and posture. Bones provide framework, protect vital organs, supply new blood and fats, and serve as paths for the nervous system.
LordDivineFist 3 years ago
Yes. Balance training refers to increased coordination which doesn't correlate to increasde strength.
BodyPerformanceTV 3 years ago
So stabilization is really just a capacity that a muscle can work in, and you do not need to worry about it unless you are training balance and specific techniques?
jooklogan 3 years ago
Thank you!
BodyPerformanceTV 3 years ago
sorry danefir3 but i agree with bodyperformanceTV i have a friend whos a personal traininer only weightlifts doesnt care for stabilizer stuff but he can do all gymnastic stuff and can do handstands and stuff no problem, and he does better than me only cause hes stronger
onekilo 3 years ago
Sorry but I'm going to have to disagree. Strength is strength. What you're talkng about is technique and balance.
BodyPerformanceTV 3 years ago
Hooray for proprioception!
LordDivineFist 3 years ago
i understand how you could think stabilizer muscles could not be important in something like body building. but if you do other sports such as gymnastics it becomes a totally different matter. I don't know if you have ever even attempted doing things like holding handstands or anything at all on the rings, but you need to understand that it takes a completely different kind of strength and its just not something that regular weightlifting would even begin to mess with.
danefir3 3 years ago
I also understand this overuse of mobilizers (anaerobic) in a stabilizing role can reduce thir true function. What do you think?
Paul
paulfraughton 3 years ago
STEVE,
This is the way I understand it: Stabilizers have the function of controlling the core and stabilizing the body in dynamic movements/ or static contractions. I don't agree with the concept of pure stabilizers, but in lifting heavy weights, aren't we negglecting the stabilizers by putting the majority of pressure on mobilizers (quads/ pecs etc), sometimes improperly recruiting or neglecting stabilizers.
paulfraughton 3 years ago
You are a complete moron whom doesn't seem to grasp the complete concepts of the physiological and kinesthetic importance of stabilizer muscles. If you think you have such excellent stabilizer muscles, I'd love to see what you could do on the rings, jackass. Seriously, why are you making fitness videos? Do some research before you post.
Warlock3584 4 years ago
Goddamn after what he just said
he made a clear point and your head is still up your ass
wow
assblaster17 4 years ago 2
shut up u guys are morons warlock is right. and to prove it i bet u i could whop ur butt in a game of pingpong
drasagon 3 years ago
what the fuck is the matter with you? ping pong? is that supposed to be a joke?
Jda4160 3 years ago
lol its like someone removed your ears
BurntCatINC 3 years ago 2
what?
assblaster17 3 years ago
warlock is an idiot.
Jda4160 3 years ago
Once again, if you were in my class, I'd have given you a 100% A+ for this answer! Good job!!!
KaseyAkira 4 years ago
Why will they say that? Because it builds superior coordination and also builds your "stabilizer" muscles more effectively. Also, to suggest that stabilization isn't important is a little misleading. All joints have muscles that stabilize them. And while I agree that doing free weight exercises will build them, they still shouldn't be dismissed as the latest workout fad.
Sentoguy 4 years ago
You know, I understand where you're coming from, and I've gotta say that I'm not a big fan of "stabilizer" workouts either. But, there is a grain of truth to the idea of stabilizers. For instance, you mentioned squatting. Well, biomechanically speaking squatting is no different from doing a Hack squat. Yet, almost any strength coach will tell you that a barbell squat is a superior exercise.
Sentoguy 4 years ago
HE PUSHES HEAVY!! Oh I WONDER why? lolz Yeah Steve im with YOU & i believe pushing heavy is the only way to go.. for Muscle development Cheers YET again Steve!!
0900utube 5 years ago
I like my Trainer Steve but yeah, he has me on "light stuff" He's a big dude who has competed Nationally 10 years ago. Hes just a Trainer now, Thing is Steve.. YET when i watch HIM train
0900utube 5 years ago
So ditch the "light" & Pick up the Heavy? I used to push Heavy years back, & saw results in my arms etc. My Personal Trainer has me on light stuff & im wondering when DA HELL IM GONA LIFT SOMETHING HEAVY!! Lolz
0900utube 5 years ago
haha - ditch him. watch these vids - and train your self -
Rhypes99 4 years ago
So FORGET the light stuff (swiss ball, light weights etc). Walk into the gym, GROW some Balls & PUSH Heavy weights.. The OBJECTIVE is to Stress & overload your Muscles, S-A-F-E-L-Y yet effectively. Gaining a MAXIMUM Total Body workout, THE Fastest & ONLY way to Muscle Gain? P.S Eating well, Times to eat, sleeping well etc is incorporated too..
0900utube 5 years ago
You got it!
BodyPerformanceTV 5 years ago
If I ever see a personal trainer doing that shit in my gym I am going to punch a whole in his head! Keep on preaching, brother! How come you don't become a powerlifter and put on some real muscle, instead of just maintaining a tight, chiseled physique? You certainly have the genes.
Bruinpena 5 years ago
Thanks. I prefer bodybuilding but my partner and I use extremely heavy weight. I haven't seen any of the powerlifters at our gym do one-arm curls with 90 lb. dumbbells!
BodyPerformanceTV 5 years ago
As usual, you have great common sense. Thank you!
speedbmp 5 years ago
Steve, you're the beast!
tcvicesquad 5 years ago
Thanks!
BodyPerformanceTV 5 years ago
yeah, but it helps with your back if you have back issues. It helped me
Guppybus 5 years ago
I agree. My back is better w/ balance training versus just traditional weight lifting.
xrsz119 5 years ago
Thank you Steve
bangstun 5 years ago
what a f*ck is stabilazor muscles? I can do frontflips that means my stabilazors are good right? :)
Bohemists 5 years ago
Good to know. thanks for the advice.
InflateMe81 5 years ago
great advice!
iamlakota 5 years ago
You can help answer a question that's been in my mind that I thought I know the answer to.
Why is it lifting weights is easier with machines than free weights? I thought this was, because the machine requires less controled movement; which is using less "stabilizers".
JackupCyrus 5 years ago
These machines force a set range of motion
(up and down only for example), you don't have to concentrate on balancing or "stabilizing" the weight you're lifting so that is why it is easier.
daerus 5 years ago
Ok, exactly what I said in different words. I was just confused by Steve's words at the end of the video, "Stabilization will take care of it's self" I guess Steve's video meant. You could still have weak "stabilization" It's just those particular exercizes(stated at the begining) wouldn't do much good; if any.
JackupCyrus 5 years ago
Yeah, that's what I thought. Surely the difference between free weights and machine weights isn't just an issue of coordination?
skaff40 5 years ago
STabilizer muscles = calf? my calf is so god damn huge i wanna lose some of my muscles.
krajikevin 5 years ago
First comment!
piperpig 5 years ago
that's not a comment.
volume24 5 years ago
Lighten up, pal. Stess is bad for you. Just ask Steve.
piperpig 5 years ago