Heating Water With HHO Hydroxy Hydrogen Part 2 of 2 from HHOG Labs

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[mbas0507]

hello, is this a possible solution to replace electric  home water heating, if so do you know what is the power consumption needed to produce enough HHO to get hot water for shower use..... thx

Alex

[1timby]

I'm truly surprised no one has utilized existing technology to use HHO instead of NG. Take the old pulse furnace. Why not use HHO to ignite in the chamber instead.

Maybe I'm over thinking this. Just a thought ..... LOL

[1timby]

You don't say how much energy you're consuming (electricity) to crack the water. So if we're expending more energy than we are making then this experiment is a moot point.

I'm all for cutting our dependency on oil and the greed machine in the White House. However, is this fesable for the common man to use without the dangers? Good electrolizers require platinum plates which are very expensive.

Just a few concerns....

Keep up the good work

[InstallGuys]

@1timby HEHE...someone just said it couldn't be done directly, so I did it. Attempting overunity wasn't the point of the experiment, in this case. Thanks for the comment, though!

On a side note, I once heated a 3800 CuFt space from 68 degrees to 74 degrees F in 3 hours with just 244 watts. I used a makeshift HHO heater and heat exchanger. The outside ambient temp was 68 degrees constant. I thought that was cool.

Steve

[1timby]

@InstallGuys I'm not knocking the feat. I'm just wondering how effective it would be for the home owner. I've seen so many new whiz bang things that have no practicality or just mysteriously disappear never to be heard from.

I would dearly like to see someone kick the oil companies in the nads with something like this. I wonder if it could be used to generate electricity efficiently?

[bill71183]

just wanted to say that you are doing wonderful work, but i've been thinking about your results for a while... the question is are you heating the pre-existing water in the container, your odviously adding some water by burning the hho but what I cant seem to get a grip on is does the recombination of hho back to h20 cause any heat? if this is true then your actually just adding hot water to your container and I cant think of any practical way to test this theory, can anyone else?

[RaveSlave]

Awesome...!!! can't wait to see the mini hydrogen turbine...!!! :P

[ILoveMyCatx10]

Hi, Nice Job. I noticed the level of the water rose in the neck of your jug about 1" I guess that is from the water expanding from being heated. interesting, thanx

[HybridWaterMan2]

Very well done! I have only exposed the torch to the surface of water when I was playing around - it certainly heated it, but did not boil it like a hot propane torch would. However- I love the way you set this up- the amazing thing is that the flame continued immersed in water! Nice job for sure....Have you taken it to a boil? and have you tried using the treated water in the electrolyzer?...

[InstallGuys]

@HybridWaterMan2 Thank you! I have taken it to a boil. I haven't tried the treated water due to electrolyte contamination. I was more interested in heating untreated water.

Thanks,

Steve

[dw807]

I like the theory of 0 heat loss while heating water. I wonder if the flame is able to burn at it's highest temp because the flame looks rather short. Would moving water snuff out the flame? Would this be cheaper than electric or natural gas to heat with?

[eloid777]

what you guys need to do is make is rotating torch ie just like lawn sprinkler

then make doube wall tank that would fit the rotating torch in the center. allow for a air gap between torch and oil fill ed heat exchanger tank make the oil exchange a seal closed loop sys let the heat build and use a fan over the

rad from the heat exchanger... bamm hho

powered system..

[overunitydotcom]

Hi, how many electrical Watts are you putting into your electrolyser ? Does it heat the water faster than using the same Watts to heat the same amout of water with just an electrical heater ? That is the big question to find out. Maybe you need to find better materials to put the flame on like graphite in water to get more heat from the HHO flame... Please experiment more with it to find the best heat transfer to water. We need very efficient heatings. Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.

[GmanBB]

Hi, Steve,

Big respect to you for all your hard work!

I think water heating direct in to water is not efficient as, when h2+02 gases, in hot stage (burning), impacts hard object (metal and so on) it splits in to H+H, which has temperature 2700-5000 Celsius. I tested that HHO burning underwater in low temperatures.

[freedombiteback]

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[Yourfishman]

You may like this suggestion.

1. Inject compressed air in with with your HHO. Using a air pump (tetra luft pump 5psi aquarium pump) your heat will increase A LOT. (these torches are NOT completely burning the HHO.)

2. Put your water heater side by side with a 500 watt titanium aquarium heater. In two separate 10 gallon aquariums compare the heat temp rise. 480 watts + 2_? watt air pump VS pure 500 watt Electric heat.

If you need help getting the heater or air pump let me know

[Davehho1]

Nasa , been there done that... I'm thinkin maybe kick this HHO/ICE thing in the butt might be next on the hit parade, Roy Mcalister has the Hydrogen injectors but hasn't gone into production for some weird reason. One would think that would be a high priority for anyone in the field. I mean he has the holy grain , all patented and ready to go.. crazy man.

I'll get to that cold fusion sooner or later ! lol

[Davehho1]

Confirmed Peer reviewed Reproduceable Results !

Whats next ? I heard some good things about cold fusion ! lol

[InstallGuys]

Lets see...

I want to run a miniature jet engine on HHO... That may be asking too much...

HEHE

Steve

[thelonewolf267]

oh that would be something to see

[pinemontgo]

did you do this already dave?

[Davehho1]

This stuff is fun as heck ! I posted a video response !

[InstallGuys]

Ain't it, though!

I approved the video response...thanks for posting it!

I wish it was a little longer, though...maybe show the water temp going up...i'm sure you have a lot more in store, too.

Keep it up!

Steve

[freeenergeeeee]

That is so wierd to see "FIRE in the WATER" or "FIRE WATER" as the Indians used to say !!!

Please feel free to coin the phrase as you wish. You've just developed a classic new College/High School Pyhsics class experiment that should be required in lab.

Congratz !!!

[InstallGuys]

Thank you!

[GmanBB]

How much energy in watts you consume during this test?

[InstallGuys]

This test was 40 amps, and 12.2 v, so 488 watts.

Steve

[jdcmusicman]

Nice video..I did some similar test myself a while back , and was real impressed with it ...One thing that I discovered while doing this is that the bubbles that were coming up from the flame was in fact HHO .I was popping them with the lighter ..My test were done with 9 LPM..I still have more testing to do myself in this area in the future ....Keep up the good work ..

[InstallGuys]

I have tested the bubbles coming up from this test with no ignition results. I think these are simply steam.

Thanks!

steve

[cuke8466]

All those steam bubbles rising to the surface are lost energy. If you could keep the steam under water for a longer period of time to allow it to condense and give up its energy, efficiency should increase and the water would heat faster. Maybe adding a few inches of pipe to the bottom would keep the steam in place long enough to do the trick. A small coil of copper tubing may be the best.

[InstallGuys]

You could be right. I am already adding lengths of pipe and testing....

Build it...improve it...Show me.

Don't forget to notice the increased water level at the end of the test. The flame actually produces water vapor, so it added water to the jug (quicker than I thought it would)

Steve

[d3adp001]

sealing the top of the jar to contain the bubbles. It will pressurize the container which means the torch pressure must increase along with it. at 4lpm your adding only 2ml of water per minute, most of the increase in volume is heat expansion. It does in fact have backpressure, equal to the water collum above the torch, and at least 1/2psi greater just to get the hho out.

Never the less, this is a good example of a practical use of hho, well done.

[InstallGuys]

You are right about the expansion. The level dropped by 1/2 after it cooled.

I know I said "zero" backpressure, but I was only referring to what registered on my current pressure gauge. I am waiting for my 15psi gauge to replace my current 160psi gauge so I can get a more accurate reading. Future tests will have more accurate pressure readings. I have learned it is too difficult to "guestimate" the PSI when I only have 3 measurement lines between 0-psi and 20-psi on the gauge. :-)

Steve

[d3adp001]

I had a cool little 15psi guage, I blew it to bits at ssc's house running the little genny. :) I used your test to get some energy calcs done. I plan on doing a video with that data and some more numbers I worked out. Could I request a test of you? It will help with filling in some data questions.

[d3adp001]

do the same test (same volume gas output, same water etc.) The diff. instead of an open ended cup put a cap on it with vent holes. the point is to get the flame to contact the copper while the other side of the copper is in contact with water. I am interested if the water temp takes less time to get up to temp.

[InstallGuys]

Okay...I'll set it up today and post my vid either tonight, or Monday (after kid's b-day)

By the way, I got a quart mason jar to boil using a similar technique(with 3 inch pipe length). The temp of the outer edge of water was 205 degrees steady. I have video, and may post it as well. I know the boiling point is 212F at 1atm, but I don't know the pressure here in FL. It was tap water, too. The water was pretty violent with lots of steam. Boiling was localized around element, mainly.

steve

[BespokeGroupUK]

so thats water heating, you have almost done the space heating thing, so now its just a question of doing the cooking solution and then everything is HHO.

So when you gonna start selling the water heating attachments....?

[InstallGuys]

I'm not sure if I'm going to sell them, or not. they are pretty easy and cheap to build. Just 3 parts, really.

Did you notice the water level in the container? If I had kept filming, it would have eventually overflowed, because the flame byproduct is water, it actually added water to the container. I totally overlooked that in the test.

[m3sca1]

hmmmm-got me thinkin back to the ionized flame scenario....whats to say you couldnt throw some HV DC over the flame and use it a cathode in a "cold fusion" reaction?

its only one energy level away from being plasma...so its only a small hill to climb...im still dumbfounded nobody else thought to just put a shroud over the flame and sink it like you did.

great work!

you got any HV gear?

DC welder or old microwave?

you will need some pyrex,sooner or later too.

[InstallGuys]

I don't have any HV gear... I do have an old CRT monitor, which I have taken apart for some of the components. I will talk to my electronics guru and see if we can retrofit something. Sales effect research. I will soon be getting a frequency generator.

Did you notice the water level in the container? If I had kept filming, it would have eventually overflowed, because the flame byproduct is water, it actually added water to the container. I totally overlooked that in the test.

Steve

[m3sca1]

of coarse some water will form but id doubt it would be much more than the normal expansion.

mark the bottle before-and let it cool all the way back down to starting temperature to check if it is over the mark.

[InstallGuys]

Yeah, D3 mentioned the expansion as well. You are both right. The level dropped to the 1/2 way mark between where it was when the test started and where it ended after the liquid cooled down.

I did another test with a longer shroud, and got 205 degrees...it was a rolling boil in my opinion. I will post the results.

Steve