Dave tate on Dead lifting conventional & sumo

[noname91910]

Holy shit! They're listening to TOOL! I now respect Dave Tate that much more. xD

[thickpooxbox360]

TOOL \w/!!

[ako541]

is this part of a dvd ?

[Blundering08]

I agree with markusmode. I think Tate is a sumo deadlifter because in the sumo your back is straighter and the shoulders can be back further. if you try this with a conventional deadlift the bar will not clear your knees. Look at Mark Felix--the deadlift king lift.

[xNewAgeWarriorx]

Riptoe vs Tate. Lets look at results....yeaaah....

[bretchet23]

tate and rip both teach valid ways to deadlift. but from my experience once i've gotten past 400 pounds tates technique is less likely to cause injury because, just like he says, there's less back work. you'll feel more of the weight on your hips quads and butt using daves form. imo if you are really aiming to move some big weight you should listen to dave. it's so much harder to keep your back straight with your shoulders over/in front of the bar like rip teaches.

[markusmode]

Rip coaches the movement based on physics..Tate is coaching it based on his own interpretation which is wrong.. Watch any great deadlifter and you'll notice their shoulders are in fact in front of the bar.

[Magnimammen]

It's truly incredible to see some of the comments you people make. It really is. You can be a great deadlifter and still have much to be desired in your form. You know why most of those "great deadlifters" (as you refer to them) have their shoulders out front?? Because, most of them are so pathetically tight that they can't do it the way it's being shown here, the correct way.

[Magnimammen]

Another thing: Dave's "interpretation" as you labeled it, was learned from Louie. Guess where Louie learned from...the Russians and Bulgarians. The very ones who have kicked the living SHIT out of us since damn-near always. Louie now trains more record holders than you can count. I also "used" to lift with my shoulders out front, that's why I sucked! I'm living proof that they (Dave and louie) are correct. Lol, I don't even know WTF riptoe (sp?) is.

[roni5791]

It's hard to beat Tate and Wendler for clear, concise communication of the essentials.

[quillita]

Rippetoe teaches crossfit ... dave tate teaches really strong powerlifters

[accushot9999]

I'm not dissing Dave Tate, the dude is a beast, but this is pretty much the exact opposite of how Rippetoe teaches the deadlift.

[3RDW0RLD]

Tool playing in the background...

[lostda9]

Great video on technique

[44pullups]

really helpful point about the shoulder position. easy to focus on and get your pull started right.

[dannybeelz]

"Shoulder's behind the bar", are you serious? That single quote helped me add 50lbs my FIRST time using that. This is why he's the trainer of champions.

[AwesomeJokes]

@dannybeelz must feel great to have that happen lol

[unlockthepower]

WESTSIDE!!!!!!!

[theotherserge]

Dave Tate+Tool in the background!?! Now I'll never get to sleep: AMPED!

[Austin333]

they're all stronger and bigger than you so....maybe they're onto something.

[Austin333]

Given that he trains with and helps some of the best powerlifters in the world, including multiple world record holders, maybe there's some hard work and knowledge involved?

A 935 squat, 740 deadlift, 610 bench press and 2205 total isn't crap either on a personal note. Blaming steroids because someone's better than you is a cop out.

[AbsoluteMonarchist]

@Austin333 - 'blaming steroids because someone's better than you is a cop out'

- Malarky. If you want to understand the difference between a steroid user's max strength vs natural see 'progression of the bench press world record': 1898 Georg Hackenschmidt bench presses 361 lbs (New World Record unbeaten for 18 years until Joe Nordquest presses 363 lbs - unbeaten for 35 years. Then suddenly from after the 50's dudes are benching 400,500,600,1000lbs+! - wonder what started happening then?

[Austin333]

@AbsoluteMonarchist How many people have equalled Bob Peoples deadlift of over 700 lbs at 181 lbs? He also had a 510 squat and a 300 lb press (barely trained it). He set that deadlift in 1939, the first clinical trials on testosterone were in 1937 so I think we can safely assume he was natural. The world record bench is just over 700 lbs I believe. It was an exercise popularised in the 20th century, originating from the pullover and press so is by far the 'youngest' big 3 lift around.

[AbsoluteMonarchist]

@Austin333 - The world record bench press is 1075 lbs. Steroids don't do as much for DL/Squat as they do for bench press. The quads/hams/glutes will balloon/gain strength at an incredible rate if you squat/DL heavy so steroids aren't going to do much more for them.

[Austin333]

@AbsoluteMonarchist With the use of a bench shirt (which were only invented in 1983), the raw record is 715 lbs. The lack of knowledge you're displaying regarding the physiology and mechanisms behind the performance enhancing benefits of steroids is painful.

[AbsoluteMonarchist]

@Austin333 - It was Mark Rippetoe who said that the DL/Squat aren't helped by steroids. And I wasn't talking about equipped/unequipped, just the 'world record bench press'. I never mentioned anything that could be interpretted as being about the 'physiology and mechanisms hehind the performance enhancing benefits of steroids. Merely the results in relation to squat/DL.

[Austin333]

@AbsoluteMonarchist Well you can't really compare an equipped lifter with an unequipped lifter and conclude the equipped lifter has taken steroids because he is stronger which is essentially what you did. The physiology and how steroids work is irrerevocably connected to the results they will have on a lift.

[Ladscif]

@AbsoluteMonarchist Not only did more people start getting into lifting but they also started to learn about different styles of training technique and nutrition. Then some guys typically large framed men with naturally good lifting mechanics in terms of their bone structure and insertion points started dominating then they started using steroids and dominated even more. The strongest guys on steroids would likely still be the strongest guys without them in a completely natural world.

[ORTprod]

where is the rest of this? I wanna see more!

[unlockthepower]

This is from the westside videos.

[dbears6]

I'd love to get to lift with Dave for a week. He probably eventually kick my ass, but I'l learn a LOT before he did. LOL

[NonstopRocker03]

your lifts would probably go up 50 lbs each lol