How to make a good Kick Drum

[TheDizfunkshunal1]

Hey man thanks for the tip my drums seem to have more presence and punch verses using alot of gain. Thanks again.

[wasupthere]

very good.thanx

[Chrispoirier]

i learned 4 very valuable key points here.

1. the same as mastering cant fix a good mix, you cant fix up bad samples with good processing. choosing the right samples is important.

2.don't overprocess and pile on effects, rather be very precise with a few.

3. eq your stacked samples so that they blend together, never boost two kick samples in the same place.

4. add the dynamics effects to the bus, not on the individual channels.

thanks for this tut.

[ElectronicExperience]

I notice that the length of your "Low Kick" seems quick. Do you recommend using audio instead of midi for the kick so you can cut and add a fade?

[MrFawske3n]

"If you get a kick drum, the rest of the songs will just fall into place." Well that's just not true :\ liked the tutorial though.

[akakoalaby]

@MrFawske3n he probably meant something more like, "If you get a nice set of sounds you can stop focusing on the bullshit and you can start making music."

[EvanRHall]

where do you get the samples from?

[elborio]

i didnt hear difference with the compressor, is this really bad from me? will i be doomed?:P

[MessyJatador]

@elborio I don't hear it either. Anyway, this is a Vengeance kick, which means it's already over-compressed for you... Putting another compressor on this kick is destructive and/or useless, unless you really really know what you're doing.

[MessyJatador]

I thought this would be a video on how to actually make a kick from scratch, with a synth...

[elborio]

@MessyJatador use an envelope on the pitch of a oscillator youll be supprised what u can do. basicly with good thinking you can make all drum sounds you want. it gives so much freedom :D

[MessyJatador]

@elborio I know how to make a kick. Pitch down a sine wave, play with ADSR (especially attack) on the pitch, layer, etc. But I was looking for extra tips in this process.

[Specific9tv]

The same as 'stickfigure1000', both my VEE Bassdrum 37 and especially 58 sound completely different to yours!! Please help us!?

[n1kolaofficial]

good kick:get 2 complex kick samples,put eq on both of em the one that sounds more punchy make it high cut for one that doesn't make it low cut,put compressor and configure it..i think that's it.Haven't watched the video but i think nzmusic101 did this what i said

[stickfigure1000]

in my vengeance sample pack, my vee bassdrum 37 sounds alot different than the one you have. can you explain why?

[MitchellKoops]

you did a video on gates right? i cant find it anymore lol please send it me ore something thnks

[ilovedance806]

dude u r a production god. i get discouraged because i have to master all of this before i can make good music?

[DOSAGEDUBZ]

@ilovedance806 if you want to make good music you have to spend at least a few years learning

[TranceForTheFuture]

Vengeance - all right reserved. Trademark of Steve Angello.

[TektonikEdits]

@TranceForTheFuture nobody cares...

[TranceForTheFuture]

You stole Steve Angello´s kick drum in his latest track, shame on you!

[ThisIsSiktion]

Thanks!

[2BCBattlefield]

Apple loops has quite a sexy library of drums. What do you think of them, nzmusic101?

[LouchMikel]

@2BCBattlefield they're pretty tight i use em too

[reubengreen1]

thanks!!



[xdigitalhorrorx]

thank u man u r the best!!

[DeviousPsy]

65£ for the pack -_-

im sure i can find similar sounding kicks somewhere or just tweak the waves on ultrabeat

[Kearney1888]

You sound like Murray from Flight of the Concords. Murray. Present.

[TheBdog92]

What does bypass mean ?

[SwedishBrewery]

@TheBdog92 Bypassing is essentially turning the effect off. So when you 'bypass' something you hear everything apart from that effect/plug in that you have bypassed.

[tjleebeats]

@Kearney1888 I love that show<3

[sammoth69]

quantasise it!

[OwenDeVice]

@sammoth69 this cracked me up

[tFrankMusic]

There are some default eq's in logic for kick drums, toms, etc... I acctually don't have a clue how the whole EQ thing works, so I think of using those default eq's. Can you tell me if I can use them, or do they have a bad sounding, and it's better to eq on my own, although I don't know how to ...?!

[OwenDeVice]

@tFrankMusic logics stuff is all good for pretty much anything

[magiicmusic]

The sample pack is "Vengeance Electro Essentials"

[garymarkharper]

hi thanks for sharing this. I'd like to follow it with the exact (geek i know) samples. could you tell us which Vengeance pack they came from as I have both essential electros and the corresponding .wav samples (37 and 58) sound different!

[bcrouche]

great vid mate. another kick secrect if anyone is "trolling", BBE sonic stomp plugin does remarkable things to bass drum samples.. immediate clarity, check it.

[sapisismo]

thanks for sharing your knowledge

[SpinFX0]

@didiblanch They are from the Vengeance collection ;)

[ddm881]

would you suggest eqing the entire kick drum channel track after eqing the individual kick drums?

[nzmusic101]

@ddm881 there is certainly no harm in doing so

[ANGELO13111]

can i use the program on windows 98?

[DJBigJFTW]

@ANGELO13111 ....wat

[officialODi]

@ANGELO13111 LOL. funniest comment i've read all day

[MusicDAnthony]

@ANGELO13111 hahaha

[PassionPrevaiIs]

@ANGELO13111

lol

[lilrj211]

@ANGELO13111 this is only avaliable for apple but i might want to reccomend fl studio or ableton

[OlegSashko]

@ANGELO13111 NO. LOGIC IS ONLY FOR MAC OS X))

[bboyfabolous1994]

@ANGELO13111 hahahaha, that's an awesome joke!

[PascalMuenger]

@ANGELO13111 no .. the programm is only for mac

[nukliozz]

@ANGELO13111 Actually you can!! Logic 4.6 I used that one

[ramameir]

thanks..:-))

[leakeg]

hehe you should do a double blind on the 'high' kick - there's no difference between with/without EQ! or maybe your ears are better than mine ;)

[cileth]

a good way to do this too would be parallel compression. Make a copy of the original kick drum track and put a compressor on it. Fastest attack setting and squash the crap out of it. around -15 gain reduction with +15 dB output. and something like 4:1 to 8:1 ratio. Then mix the two together. The original kick works as the attack portion, and the compressed gives it sustain and umph.

[KnightmareDub]

LOOK AT MY COMMENT!

thumbs up if you think he should do a video for each plug in (or every insert) on logic pro 9. I know it would take a while but each vid don't have to be very long, just a brief overview of what each insert does and how you can use it to your advantage. I dunno about everybody else, but it would be a huge effort to me, and it would give you something to do! Im not being a thumbs up whore i just want him to see this!!!

[mecdnb]

@KnightmareDub why don't you read the manual and experiment yourself? you'll learn a lot more doing it that way.

[leakeg]

@KnightmareDub experiment. that is all.

[EmanuelitoPepito]

Thanks

[Reaper1984]

This is kick layering, not "how to make a good kick" "how to make a kick sound better".

Could be the title! ;)

How to make a kickdrum can be seen in my latest video.

Not claiming my kickdrum is as powerful as a vecdrum kick tho.

But there's a huge difference, attack transients from "real" drums are "harder" then synthsounds, generally.

But if one want to make his own kickdrum like vengeance do, they still do similar things, only difference is layering with a attack sample on top of the sinewave

[TranceCartelOfficial]

@didiblanch I believe it's a Vengeance package, you can find them anywhere online but you have to pay for them or.....get them as a "gift" if you get what I'm saying. Anyways google Vengeance Packages. There are about 8 or 9 total I believe and they all have different samples, really awesome stuff and I can almost say its essential to have. Cheers-Trance Cartel

[korymikha]

Im a beginner producer...using logic and your videos help me so much!!! Thank youuuuu =)

[PokeyStix]

You didn't say how to bounce them and import them into a kit!

[atom608]

If u want a kick like basshunters use Vec1 Clubby 46 

[miigueloow]

7:07 I CANT HEAR THE DIFFERENCE WHYYY :(

[atom608]

@miigueloow coz youtube makes the quality shittyer

[cgrdrummer]

Does anyone know which kicks from Ryan's drum megapack are good for top / bottom?

[kramer824]

I have a question. Whenever I do fast triplets or 16th notes with my kick drum, the first kick sounds good, and then all the ones following it seem to die down a little. Does anyone know why?

[Cuter1995]

Hey man i just sent you a pm pleas read it :)

[Tr0ll321]

brilliant tutorials, wow. gonna watch them all

[Arctandem]

Can I ask what plugins you use with Logic? I'm just wondering what is good to add to what logic already has.

[cutyourfringekid]

Just a quick question if i sample a kick from an existing dance song or dubstep then will i still need to double my kicks up as most likely the artist already used two kicks

[nzmusic101]

@cutyourfringekid nah you shouldn't need too :-)

[cutyourfringekid]

@nzmusic101 Whilst I have your attention i may as well ask that you check out my band

watch?v=IkqYPeKoqlU

(its on my mates page not mine)

You've helped me out alot with your tutorials

Biggest of thanks to you and everyone that takes a listen :)

[albertovieira63]

@cutyourfringekid good question man!! :)

[THIZROX]

@cutyourfringekid u don't need to have to kicks..but it will sound better with one kick and sub kick.. that means that one kick must be sub..so u must you eq to do that.

[SwitchUpBroadcast]

isnt there going to be phazing issues when you layer the 2 kicks.. how would you fix this if there is?

great tut. thanks a bunch

[RecklessNL21]

@SwitchUpBroadcast You could invert the phase with one of the kick layers, but the best thing it just to go by ear. Also, if you layer your kicks just like the video (one low, one mid/high) then there will be barely any phasing issues, as the kicks have different frequencies. So your best bet would be two have the kick layers covering different frequencies. I have layered two low kicks before and it did sound proper, so there really are no strict rules though. If it sounds good, it IS good!

[TheDushMon]

Hi Ryan , I would like to say thank you for all of your tutorial especially this one , it really helped , I use fruity loop , but I dont have that one pack from vengeance. Could you send me the .wav file in my inbox for the kick please?

[guitarsalert]

how did u pull the piano roll down so fast at 4:42 ?

[unitedkrewdjs]

DON'T FORGET to SUPPORT!!! Its only like $2 a song, with Ryan, your getting more that a BANGER! You get to learn how to make them too!!! Keep it up!!!

[unitedkrewdjs]

DONT FORGET to SUPPORT!!! Its only like $2 a song, with Ryan, your getting more that a BANGER! You get to learn how to make them too!!! Keep it up!!!

[eduardo13rocha]

Don't use vengeance dude, they do a whole lot of shenanigans with their sample packs.

[teagankelkmusic]

@eduardo13rocha like what?

[eduardo13rocha]

@teagankelkmusic

Well,

1. Vengeance takes alot of sounds from other sample packs like Ueberschall, then add some bad compression to give it that "warm" feel and sell it without the originals permission.

2. They 'sample' loops, chords, drums etc.. from commercial songs and then sell. Again without the originals permission.

3. If your are using vengeance sample packs for noncommercial use than it's still bad. Because they remove alot of the originals quality by over compressing the sound.

[eduardo13rocha]

@teagankelkmusic (continue)4. Vengeance sample packs ARE NOT royalty free. See for yourself and read the 'readme' file "You can use the Sounds in any type of non commercial music production without permission". This implies that the sample packs can NOT be used in commercial use. STILL DONT BELEIVE ME? "You are not allowed to use the sounds for any commercial music production, jingle, broadcasted music, remixes and any other

commercial purposes, without explicit permission." - Ven Electr Shock

[teagankelkmusic]

@eduardo13rocha good call. thanks :) i use deadmau5 samples anyways

[linkward]

@eduardo13rocha yes that's why Steve Angello made a banger hit with a sample from Vengeance, top 5 Beatport remixed by everyone and played in all dance club... KNAS!

[eduardo13rocha]

@linkward Steve Angello is a millionaire. He can pay thousands for the licence of where ever that sample came from. Still though, I don't get your point here,

[linkward]

@eduardo13rocha To this day the Vengeance samples are simply the BEST out there. Every famous producers use them and have them. No other packs approach this quality for dance music sounds.

[linkward]

@eduardo13rocha To this day the Vengeance samples are simply the BEST out there. Every famous producers use them and have them. No other packs approach this quality for dance music sounds. You can turn it in any way you want to but no one cares about those details. Your comment would also imply that Ryan Enzed had to pay millions to release his track on beatport ?

[eduardo13rocha]

@linkward Vengeance are the best sample packs? Your joking right? Look dude I'm not even going to bother. The licence is there. I'm just giving people a heads up. Just don't go bitchin when you get sued for using samples that aren't even royalty free. You completely missed the point. I don't give a shit how good their sample packs are (they suck actually). Point is they are not roalty free. End of story. Also, how does my comment imply that this Ryan dude payed millions?

[linkward]

@eduardo13rocha Because Ryan released some of his songs using Vengeance samples on Beatport...Oh and you should check Joachim Garraud on FM mag , the video is on youtube and he says thanks to Manuel Schleiss :) But maybe you're better than all the artist I mentionned and don't need Vengeance samples to make music.

[Voetsches]

@linkward I am in no way saying I am better than any of those artist, but I still see no need to use the Vengeance Packs for two reasons: there are other good sample packs out there and I can record and synthesize my own drums.

[mw2king89]

@Voetsches I honestly think it is quicker and easier and in most cases sounds better to buy professionally recorded drum samples.

[SkulleeOfficial]

good job on getting 6 tracks signed :) Acctually the same amount for me as well ;) I noticed one is coming out on BigFish..what about the rest of them..what labels?

[SpoonInvasion]

@Rezzidex I'm with you mate, I know what mixing and mastering does, but it just seems like everyone considers it completely obvious, and doesn't actually explain what it is or how to do it to beginners D:

[thelucidoracle]

i used the exact kicks but your high end one doesnt sound the same at all to me on my computer. ugh now im confused. i need monitors not a yamaha surround sound system

[jeremyelrick]

Alright mate. You mentioned that you will often run things through the PSP warmer. Any chance of a tutorial on how to use that effectively?

[mr12aT]

Can you show us what you would have done if you did use the PSP vintage warmer please.. pretty please :)

[jeremyelrick]

great video. was having problems with this:) thanks

[TheBassHeavy]

Good video!

[zedurham]

nzmusic likes his kicks like he likes his crocodile sandwiches ,SNAPPY ;)

[MacheteXProductions]

nice vid, another technique ive come across is use 3 different kick drums, 1 for the low end, other for the mid, and the third for the high end you want, if you use ableton like me, use eq three, and turn off some frequency ranges but keep the range you need, with the low end under 100 Hz, Mid 100 - 500 Hz, and high 500Hz and above. so when these 3 kicks are combined they sound totally different, and you can simply change the kick sample to get a different sounding kick

[TheeBenj]

Hey! Massive thanks again for these beauts! Because your so helpful, I'm sort of reluctant to ask you things. But two have come to mind, Is there a reason that you don't but your kicks/snares through the EXS24 or any sampler? Woulda thought MIDI would be easier to deal with. Also Your snare sound! Are they from a specific sample pack? Thanks so muuchh!!

[RecklessNL21]

Thank you once more Ryan!! You really listen to your viewers, I requested a kickdrum tutorial previous video and a few days later it's up, it's so great man :) and this tutorial is very helpful. Thanks so much mate, and keep it up!

[newzealanddude92]

So what does the enveloper do? Cause I'm pretty sure Fl Studio doesnt have one and it made a huge difference on your kick. Anything else I could do for the same outcome?

[suraxis]

@newzealanddude92 Fl studio's "fruity limiter" has a "transient shaper setting" in the presets menu. Transient shapers do exactly what their name implies, shaping the attack and release transients of a sound. The end result is something that sounds akin to a hard compressor and/or gater, and yet neither. Compressing and gating will give you the same result thought with a little tweaking.

[newzealanddude92]

@suraxis Thanks bro! =) Helped a lot!

[suraxis]

@newzealanddude92 You're welcome. 

[adaox06]

@newzealanddude92 you can try the maximus plugin, atleast that's how i'd do it ^^ too bad i can't think of an easier way right now but maximus should do the trick also

[djangotsp]

@newzealanddude92 The way I sometimes do it in FL is by using the decay and sustain settings in the sampler - attack at 0, quick decay and sustain somewhere in the middle. Even if you loaded your kick directly onto the playlist, as far as I remember it still creates an instance of the sampler for that sound. There's a dropdown menu on the pattern sequencer, where you'll find it grouped under Audio Clips or something (I'm on a Mac right now so I can't check - sorry).

[MarcioYTchannel]

love y :)

[FenderStrata]

I use Cubase 6, Do you know any good sidechain plugs or somethin.. There's no default sidechain in the Cubase compressor.

Awesome tutorials btw! :)

[Psyshimmer]

@FenderStrata Look into Stillwell Plugins, I think it's called. I use Cubase 5 and they're amazing. Free too, though you should buy them if you like them. :)

[allennunez]

@FenderStrata yes there is . use a regular compressor set it to side chain and route to the and output

[FenderStrata]

@allennunez Oh okaay, thanks =)

[ChrisRimbyLive]

Thanks so much for your tutorials!!

[KMillionTV]

Nice one thanks for sharing ;)

[Xo1ot1]

thanks

[JustinMPerea]

big fat kick drum make me wanna get some

[DavidL1980]

great vid !

[DJSamMackinnon]

Wow.... I'm more of a trance junkie than electro stuff (Though I do enjoy a good electro song) But still I love watching your tuts... Sometimes they help me when I'm producing trance! Nice job mate! :)

[ADTPuk]

Ive been using logic for a while now do you find that audio regions don't snap directly to the bar even you when you have it selected in the settings?

is there a work around for this or is it something us logic users have to put up with?

nice tut btw

[Hauntzz]

@ADTPuk

Not sure if this is what you were referring to by 'settings', but the drop down in the top right where you select the snap (smart, beat, division etc) has an on/off check for 'snap to absolute value'. For some reason it defaults to off, so check that if you haven't already. I advise not using smart wither if you have it on that.

[ADTPuk]

@Hauntzz Thanks man i always used the smart option.. And thought it was the best to use

ive put it on ticks and it seems to be a lot better

Thanks again

[Hauntzz]

@ADTPuk

No problem, yeah smart is a useful idea but I find it tends to behave strangely.

Personally I have it on division and then change it depending on how fine I need to be.

[bboytrigger123]

Best accent ever!

[CrackenMusic]

this one is fresh!