I don't understand folks that come here to trashtalk making themselves look like ignorants. Making the stupidest comments.
My boyfriend is Finnish and I'm Southamerican and we do more than perfect; and I have many friends from there too, so how do peeps come and generalize and categorize and say all Finns are/do this or that?!?. Silly, just silly.
Anyway, pretty video!. I dream about going there someday and having a shot of Marskin Ryyppy next to Marshal Mannerheim's grave *sigh*.
Finlandia Hymn was composed by Jean Sibelius in 1899 for a symphony orchestra and it was put in words not until 50 years later. This was just a little part of the masterpiece. Versions like Be Still My Soul that have been made of it are missing the best part of the composition. Just listen to the whole work with a symphony orchestra and youll enjoy it.
Oi, Suomi, katso, sinun päiväs' koittaa, Yön uhka karkoitettu on jo pois, Ja aamun kiuru kirkkaudessa soittaa, Kuin itse taivahan kansi sois'. Yön vallat aamun valkeus jo voittaa, Sun päiväs' koittaa, oi synnyinmaa. Oi, nouse, Suomi, nosta korkealle, Pääs' seppelöimä suurten muistojen. Oi, nouse, Suomi, näytit maailmalle, Sa että karkoitit orjuuden, Ja ettet taipunut sa sorron alle, On aamus' alkanut, synnyinmaa.
Oh, Finland look, your day is starting, hazard of night has been exiled away, and mornings skylark is playing in brightness, like sky would endow, nights might morning whitness now wins, your day comes, oh mother-country Oh rise, Finland, lift high, your head wreathed by big memories, oh rise, Finland , you showed to world, that you exiled slavery and that you didn´t bend under oppression, your morning´s started, mother-country.
Oi, Suomi katso, sinun päiväs koittaa, yön uhka karkoitettu on jo pois, ja aamun kiuru kirkkaudessa soittaa kuin itse taivahan kansi sois. yön vallat aamun valkeus jo voittaa, sun päiväs koittaa, oi synnyinmaa. Oi nouse, Suomi, nosta korkealle pääs seppelöimä suurten muistojen, oi nouse, Suomi, näytit maailmalle sa että karkoitit orjuuden ja ettet taipunut sa sorron alle, on aamus alkanut, synnyinmaa.
Finland is boring and shitty, and Helsinki? Well not only is it boring as hell but fucking expensive too. I have no idea why people stay in that boring ass Russian shithole...
No! :D I went to Turku in the summer and there was one cool day (10 degrees), and other than that it was quite nice! In the high twenties some days, and it could feel even nicer in the sun. ^^
i love Finland even i'm Indonesian. doesn't mean i don't love my own country. The love is just different. i adore Finland so much,but the sense of nationalism is for Indonesia. Finland has been my 2nd country. i hope i can visit Finland someday!
This video made me cry. I am an American with deep Finnish descent on both sides of my family and I'm the only one who hasn't been there yet. I've been doing a log of genealogical research and I have cousins there! They want me to visit! They want to know why my ancestors left. I tell them - I don't know why, but they were poor and probably needed better work at the time. I can't wait to visit, thank you.
I love the scenery shown here, especially the midnight sun..it is absolutely breath taking!!! Someday I would like to visit Finland,when i have saved enough money. To me it looks like a wonderland !!!
Hieman tuli koti ikävä! Olen ollut ulkosuomalainen lähes 40 vuotta. Juuret on jokaisella missä on ja Suomi on hyvä maa (Kiitos esi-isiemme, jotka taistelivat sen vapauden puolesta), mutta "ei niin hyvää ettei jotain pahaakin". Ei tällä maapallolla ole yhtään täydellistä maata, joka paikassa on omat hyvät ja huonot puolensa. Siis "lyttyyn haukkuminen" on tarpeetonta!
Suomi on hieno maa, meidän tulee arvostaa isänmaatamme. Tympäsee lukea kun joskus jotkut teinit haukkuvat Suomen lyttyyn ja haluavat muuttaa tyyliin jonnekin Amerikkaan. Onneksi vähän vanhempana tajuaa arvostaa omaa maataan :) "
Oon samaa mieltä asiasta. En ymmärrä mikä kiehtoo niissä jättikaupungeissa joissa on aivan helvettinä pikaruokaloita ja on täynnä jotain pilvenpiirtäjiä? Ja siellä on eniten skitsofreenikkoja, sekopäitä + muita paskoja.
Niiiice. I celebrated Vappu this year with Finhish people I met. They didn't play this piece, but we all attempted to occapella it after a bottle of salmiakki and I think we did pretty good considering!
I really like to go to finland in vacations, but, i dont have enought money, i really like that country and his people and music... i hope to go one day... wait for me finland
greetings for all finnish people from Argentina, one lover of your country from distance!
Suomi on hieno maa, meidän tulee arvostaa isänmaatamme. Tympäsee lukea kun joskus jotkut teinit haukkuvat Suomen lyttyyn ja haluavat muuttaa tyyliin jonnekin Amerikkaan. Onneksi vähän vanhempana tajuaa arvostaa omaa maataan :)
Beautiful song, beautiful land. Im more than happy to be finn. Best palce on earth on summer time. Hehe, theres nothing best than get a cold beer after sauna and watch the sunset.
How beautiful!! I would love to visit Finland...one day I'll make it! And I love this song!! However, I've always known it as the Christian hymn Be Still My Soul. Greetings from America!
That's kind of weird that it's a Christian hymn elsewhere, as it has been composed by Sibelius (a Finnish composer). But maybe there are several versions...
It is a beutiful song :) But Eiledon was right, it is a Finnish song and not a christian hymn. Although Sibelius never actually meant it to be sung, it has many lyrics outside Finland and "Be Still My Soul" is one them. Finlandia Hymn was also chosen as a national song for an African state Biafra, which, I understand, is now part of Nigeria.
A great video! It would be improved a bit if it included a couple of paintings by Finland's artist Gallen-Kallela. He, like Sibelius, represents the soul of Finland.
I am spanish, I have been living in Finland (Kuopio) during one year 6 years ago, I use to visit Finland every year because I cannot survive without sauna, olut and makkara. And I will get married with a finnish girl in March '08. I don't say no more.
kiittäen ja kunnioittaen suomen veteraaneja jotka ovat mahdollistaneet sen että voimme olla ylpeä suomi.kunnia teille jotka taistelitte puolestamme ja teitte tämän suomen
Kylmät väreet, johtui ilmeisesti musiikista. Hieno video, vähän häiritsi ehkä rakennusten promokuvilta näyttävät kuvat "itse otettujen kuvien" joukossa (siis kuvien erilaisuus), mutta totta kaikki. No summer without sauna. ;)
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FIN-SWE 6-1!!!!! Great victory guys!!!! So u are the king of icehockey brothers!!!! :D :D :D RESPECT for Finland!!! Greetings from Czech Republik!!!
kkenet6207 8 months ago
Gooood Finland!!
caio27359 1 year ago
Good
MANABLACK014 1 year ago
Nice to meet you.
A very beautiful country came to have and to sleep and to want to go.
MANABLACK014 1 year ago
I don't understand folks that come here to trashtalk making themselves look like ignorants. Making the stupidest comments.
My boyfriend is Finnish and I'm Southamerican and we do more than perfect; and I have many friends from there too, so how do peeps come and generalize and categorize and say all Finns are/do this or that?!?. Silly, just silly.
Anyway, pretty video!. I dream about going there someday and having a shot of Marskin Ryyppy next to Marshal Mannerheim's grave *sigh*.
analikewhoa1 1 year ago
I adore Finland. <3
I hope one day I'll manage to get there. =]
NotAvailbleUsername 1 year ago
@treemagnet88
Because we beat you in ice-hockey?
PatriaFinlandia 1 year ago
@PatriaFinlandia Because you are ugly motherfuckers, fuck Europe too, bunch of racist asswipres
treemagnet88 1 year ago
@treemagnet88
Says Norwegian..
PatriaFinlandia 1 year ago
@treemagnet88 YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID!!!!
soundofwaveband 1 year ago
i'd love to go to finland i maybe from the states but i'd love to go to finland
erichani1 1 year ago
''excellent''
lionelvillahermosa 1 year ago
beautiful i will live thereone day its my dream!
slayerguitar 1 year ago
@slayerguitar same here :')
yeahyeahbeth 1 year ago
I have tears in my eyes watching this - Kiitos
dedhed66franklin 1 year ago
Finlandia Hymn was composed by Jean Sibelius in 1899 for a symphony orchestra and it was put in words not until 50 years later. This was just a little part of the masterpiece. Versions like Be Still My Soul that have been made of it are missing the best part of the composition. Just listen to the whole work with a symphony orchestra and youll enjoy it.
Xandora200 1 year ago
beautyfull land one place to come visit or stay
1tigerblood 1 year ago
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Gerardoahands 1 year ago
My ancestors came from Finland, My Mom and Dad both spoke finn in front of me and my sister, so we didn't know what we get for Christmas!
arthurleino 1 year ago
kiitos erittäin paljon!
Masikoira 2 years ago
My roots go back to Finland, I wish I could go there some day and meet people. I love making Finnish Coffey Bread.
nukeum2 2 years ago 4
@nukeum2 You should! Finnish culture and Finland as a country are both amazing!
MihailTronix 1 year ago
the fucks that? :S
TeroDahl 1 year ago
Nice! :)
Happy Independence Day!
temm1 2 years ago
A happy independence day to all and to think I only heard of this little piece of History today ..
Thank you yo my friend below
Ah well life is a voyage of learning, it is when we stop learning that it is time we should really worry!
Sliepnir2006 2 years ago
Hyvää Itsenäisyyspäivää, Happy Independence day 6.12 !!
Sleepingsun4 2 years ago
kiitos. tässä se suomi jota minä rakastan.
sikamato 2 years ago 5
Beautiful beautiful melody. I played this piece with my junior high's Full Orchestra 3 or 4 years ago. It was great!
Haggy2500 2 years ago
nature coool :)
anime4video 2 years ago
cool !!! Ciao from Etna Volcano in Sicily ...
fabiotti 2 years ago 2
shadex88 2 years ago
Great video :)
Amelia424 2 years ago
Rondexix82 2 years ago 2
Somalian
I respect this country and they flag so much, because they give me second life, and one day I will pay back.
I will never forget your humanity as long as I live.
Now I live in England.
THANK YOU Finnish People to your hospitality. .......................
NurNasib 2 years ago 20
THANK YOU BACK!! :) Nice to know someone thinks that way!!!
mrprofumo 2 years ago
@NurNasib thank you
dvdlogitech 1 year ago
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NurNasib 2 years ago
great video!!!!!!! i love suomi!!!!!
i hope to travel in Finland some day
ItalianLoveSuomi 2 years ago 2
Ditto! Awesome video. I've been there 4 times, its quite nice. i especially like Lappeenranta and Ruissalo Island.I hope to go there in 2010.
villanovakid84 2 years ago
Benvenuto a Finlandia!
mrprofumo 2 years ago 4
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Finland is boring and shitty, and Helsinki? Well not only is it boring as hell but fucking expensive too. I have no idea why people stay in that boring ass Russian shithole...
fanatiza 2 years ago
I love you Finland¡ you are mi next motherland.
jordyalvin 2 years ago
J'ai visité la Finlande, c'est un très beau pays et sa capitale est superbe.
I visited Finland, it's a beautiful country.
REVIN08 2 years ago
Finland is so beaufitul and very interesting:) I love this country:)
Basia4944 2 years ago
We don't sing this one NEAR often enough in Church. In the Methodist Hymnal, it's "God Of All The Nations", and it's just beautiful.
Ivyandstone 2 years ago
I didn't understand...you guys sing Sibelius' FInlandia in church?? To What a cool religion do you belong to?? LOL
jehudit000 2 years ago
Tää video on hyvä muistutus siitä, kuinka helkutin ylpeitä me suomalaiset saadaan oikeesti olla maastamme!
Hyvä Suomi. <3
Brontofobia 2 years ago
Ich liebe Finnland!
Minä rakastan Suomea!
I love Finland!
-from Germany
cincoysiete 2 years ago 5
Ich auch...
-from Switzerland
jehudit000 2 years ago
Beautiful! Go Finland!
deGothiaSweden 2 years ago
Beautiful, makes me wanna go to Finland even more
hilde86m 2 years ago 2
i'll be there this summer..for the first time!
fazercri 2 years ago
I have tears in my eyes; this is fucking cool and reminds me of home! Thank you!
vkaplas 2 years ago
Lovely. :D
Elindomiel 2 years ago 2
awesome!
Winterheart358 2 years ago
i really wanna go to Finland!! :'(
bittersweeterin 2 years ago 5
What a beautiful images from Filand. Really, they're treasures of your country.
ephiesters 2 years ago
Beatiful, so beautiful. God bless Finland!
FINdestinymaker 2 years ago 6
I´m living now 4 months in Finland as an au-pair and I really really love it :) On kaunis!!!
chiriko87 2 years ago 13
"There is no summer without makkara"
That's so true!
Ballol 3 years ago 3
Finland is really beautiful country... i would like to live here... <3
zuzilka 3 years ago 4
beautiful, thank you for this ;)
iceshades 3 years ago 2
on hyvin kaunis
bathmahu 3 years ago 3
Thank you God for created Finland!
italiamulticulturale 3 years ago 8
is finland always that cold?
JaderGater2 3 years ago
No. There are four seasons in finland, and it may be plus 20-30 degrees in south if is warm summer.
MMemorial 3 years ago 7
No :D
Kanttura1234 3 years ago 2
No! :D I went to Turku in the summer and there was one cool day (10 degrees), and other than that it was quite nice! In the high twenties some days, and it could feel even nicer in the sun. ^^
Elindomiel 3 years ago 4
Hyvää itsenäisyyspäivää
akimakela 3 years ago 4
HYVÄÄ ITSENÄISYYSPÄIVÄÄ
MRxWalkthrough 3 years ago 4
Beatyful song.
Demonized93 3 years ago
Oletko sinä Suomalainen?(Are you Finnish?)
DilemmaGirl2 3 years ago 2
Very nice pictures! And Finlandia hymn fits this really well.
Happy independence day for tomorrow, our land, and kudos to those who have lost their lives defending this country.
FlameOfTheDragon 3 years ago
Definitivamente tengo que conocer finlandia
jamesvladymyr 3 years ago
i love finland, great video!
peace
=)
vallenato 3 years ago
you get good pics :D
L15T3N3R 3 years ago
i love Finland even i'm Indonesian. doesn't mean i don't love my own country. The love is just different. i adore Finland so much,but the sense of nationalism is for Indonesia. Finland has been my 2nd country. i hope i can visit Finland someday!
XD
anyawowow 3 years ago 6
by train, i pass turku every summer!
my granny lives in pieksamäki and my cussins in joensuu.
:D.
simonrunkar93 3 years ago
Why is there so much Turku in this video lol?
youcanrunbutcanthide 3 years ago
Because that's where I've spent a lot of my life. If you notice, the title of this movie is, after all MY Finland.
Alaydhien 3 years ago
Finlad for ever, I love it, it's a paradise¡¡ I'll going to live in that house¡¡¡
mishkyn910 3 years ago 6
I love that country.
I´m sure that someday I'll step that land.
verenice07 3 years ago 6
Wonderful video.
I enjoyed it very much. Thank You for sharing.
Regards,
Bizzy
Biz7 3 years ago 3
This video made me cry. I am an American with deep Finnish descent on both sides of my family and I'm the only one who hasn't been there yet. I've been doing a log of genealogical research and I have cousins there! They want me to visit! They want to know why my ancestors left. I tell them - I don't know why, but they were poor and probably needed better work at the time. I can't wait to visit, thank you.
Suzanne Hänninen Parker
shhanninen 3 years ago 4
thank you. such a beautiful video :)
scorpio881 3 years ago 3
I love the scenery shown here, especially the midnight sun..it is absolutely breath taking!!! Someday I would like to visit Finland,when i have saved enough money. To me it looks like a wonderland !!!
Joyous80s 3 years ago 2
Hieman tuli koti ikävä! Olen ollut ulkosuomalainen lähes 40 vuotta. Juuret on jokaisella missä on ja Suomi on hyvä maa (Kiitos esi-isiemme, jotka taistelivat sen vapauden puolesta), mutta "ei niin hyvää ettei jotain pahaakin". Ei tällä maapallolla ole yhtään täydellistä maata, joka paikassa on omat hyvät ja huonot puolensa. Siis "lyttyyn haukkuminen" on tarpeetonta!
oilikaarina 3 years ago 3
"This video makes me cry, I love my country! :)
Suomi on hieno maa, meidän tulee arvostaa isänmaatamme. Tympäsee lukea kun joskus jotkut teinit haukkuvat Suomen lyttyyn ja haluavat muuttaa tyyliin jonnekin Amerikkaan. Onneksi vähän vanhempana tajuaa arvostaa omaa maataan :) "
Oon samaa mieltä asiasta. En ymmärrä mikä kiehtoo niissä jättikaupungeissa joissa on aivan helvettinä pikaruokaloita ja on täynnä jotain pilvenpiirtäjiä? Ja siellä on eniten skitsofreenikkoja, sekopäitä + muita paskoja.
Quencherr 3 years ago 6
Niiiice. I celebrated Vappu this year with Finhish people I met. They didn't play this piece, but we all attempted to occapella it after a bottle of salmiakki and I think we did pretty good considering!
BcallingDB 3 years ago
youre probably referring to something else than salmiakki.salmiakki is you a candy that you chew on.not that its sweet.
juhizz94 3 years ago
there is a liquor made from salmiakki as well.
BcallingDB 3 years ago
Salmiakki flavored Koskenkorva (= Salmiakki kossu)
scorpio881 3 years ago 2
i love Finland!
xacodinx 3 years ago 2
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Islam is the future of Finland.
HaashimUK 3 years ago
never...they have own culture and religion...you don't have to push them...never!!!
wingsofangel30 3 years ago
I really like to go to finland in vacations, but, i dont have enought money, i really like that country and his people and music... i hope to go one day... wait for me finland
greetings for all finnish people from Argentina, one lover of your country from distance!
Eferor 3 years ago 7
This video makes me cry, I love my country! :)
Suomi on hieno maa, meidän tulee arvostaa isänmaatamme. Tympäsee lukea kun joskus jotkut teinit haukkuvat Suomen lyttyyn ja haluavat muuttaa tyyliin jonnekin Amerikkaan. Onneksi vähän vanhempana tajuaa arvostaa omaa maataan :)
alicefix1 3 years ago 12
hyi mihinkää amerikkaan. Tääl on asiat paljon paremmin<3 Eikä valtio lähettele ihmisiä jonnekki Irakii kuolemaa:/
pikkuratsa 3 years ago 5
@alicefix1 voin kun ne teinit tietäs miten paljon meidän itsenäisyyden eteen on nähty vaivaa! se ei ole mikään itsestäänselvyys!
Masikoira 1 year ago
kiss!muaah
FinlandSiennen09 3 years ago
Ehdottomasti paras Suomi-video mitä löydän Youtubesta. Täs on se oleellinen.
NailedToTheWheel 3 years ago 6
Suomi Paras :P damn i love this Hymn
Firmar94 3 years ago 5
Beautiful song, beautiful land. Im more than happy to be finn. Best palce on earth on summer time. Hehe, theres nothing best than get a cold beer after sauna and watch the sunset.
Toothbrushie 3 years ago 9
tosi hyvä video. kiitos sen tekijälle! :)
piia992 3 years ago 3
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everbody in finland like cock....
potatis78 3 years ago
ooh, and you're fucking immature.... grow up.
joonas7 3 years ago 2
easy there.. We are not part of sweden anymore
pyllywaltteri 3 years ago 5
lol
auroral 3 years ago 3
How beautiful!! I would love to visit Finland...one day I'll make it! And I love this song!! However, I've always known it as the Christian hymn Be Still My Soul. Greetings from America!
crazy4u630 4 years ago 4
That's kind of weird that it's a Christian hymn elsewhere, as it has been composed by Sibelius (a Finnish composer). But maybe there are several versions...
eiledon 3 years ago 2
It is a beutiful song :) But Eiledon was right, it is a Finnish song and not a christian hymn. Although Sibelius never actually meant it to be sung, it has many lyrics outside Finland and "Be Still My Soul" is one them. Finlandia Hymn was also chosen as a national song for an African state Biafra, which, I understand, is now part of Nigeria.
CelticWillow 3 years ago
Beutiful land, beutiful hymn...
Greetings from Japan.^^
orangjepun 4 years ago 7
Thank you for posting this. Greetings from England.
Stellavox 4 years ago 6
Tämä elokuva todella kaunis kiitoksia
aliahmed999 4 years ago 3
Valta Suomi!!
larry879 4 years ago
Finland is such a country :)pity i am a czech
joseman17 4 years ago
i love filand!!
bunjeejumping85 4 years ago 5
Kaunista...onnea itsenäisyyspäivänä Suomelle. Congratulation on indepenceday my native homeland...!(Beautiful video, thanks)
turkkisydamessani 4 years ago 3
Olen ylpeä maastamme! Olkaa myös tekin!
eisto1 4 years ago 5
-SUURI KIITOS...!!! kannamme tekonne ylpeydellä lapsillemme ja niiden lastenlapsille:!!
v11n1man 4 years ago 4
kiitän kaikkia jotka taistelivat Suomen poulesta v.1939-1944 Suomi on Paras
hammasmuki 4 years ago 3
Finland is very beauty!! i'm living here a year, realy good! Finalndia es un gran pais... ;)
Barduk89 4 years ago 9
I wish that i could go there someday because here in Brazil We don´t have landscapes as beautiful as Finlandia has
rodrigo3155 4 years ago 3
You have the Amazon, the great view to Iguazu Falls and of course the samba. I love the Latin America.
TanssiiSetienKanssa 4 years ago 2
A great video! It would be improved a bit if it included a couple of paintings by Finland's artist Gallen-Kallela. He, like Sibelius, represents the soul of Finland.
clamdip2 4 years ago
Todella kaunis video. Mieli herkistyy kun sen katsoo.
alik80 4 years ago 4
Isänmaalle Suomi! kansasta ja isänmaa!
OthalWarrior 4 years ago 2
Que hermoso es finlandia...
badillazo 4 years ago
this is so absolutely beautiful. it makes me cry every time i hear it. I love Finland.
hockeyxchic 4 years ago 4
I am spanish, I have been living in Finland (Kuopio) during one year 6 years ago, I use to visit Finland every year because I cannot survive without sauna, olut and makkara. And I will get married with a finnish girl in March '08. I don't say no more.
todopundonor 4 years ago 9
kiittäen ja kunnioittaen suomen veteraaneja jotka ovat mahdollistaneet sen että voimme olla ylpeä suomi.kunnia teille jotka taistelitte puolestamme ja teitte tämän suomen
karenssi 4 years ago
Finland is so beautiful! <3
i wish that i could go there someday. :3
AnimeSpartan 4 years ago 3
Hellasole! I'm glad you had a great time in my country! I have been living in your country for over 15 years! Polla filakia!
icefinland 4 years ago 2
How can people say Turkey is a great place to visit? Finland is the best place to travel! Greetings from Greece.
Hellasole2008 4 years ago 4
Miten tulee kokoajan kylmiä väreitä :D hieno video :D
soinari 4 years ago 3
no summer without MAKKARA! :D:D simply the best!
KingKrateros 4 years ago 2
"No summer without Makkara." Yes, we need sausage! That's our mystical power, isn't it? On näitä Suomivideoita vaan niin kivaa aina katsoa...
Meerasika 4 years ago
oh my god! :') BEAUTIFUL!!! i love you Finland!!!<3<3<3<3
kaarme666 4 years ago
Its sad that we cant show an other big symbol of our history and country - the Vyborg castle.
Vyborg is beeing occupided since 1939.
JatkaTku 4 years ago
no i meant -40, their(u all know whos) stupid army didnt occupide it in the battles because they sucked!
JatkaTku 4 years ago
Beautiful! <3 Finland is so amazing!
TutiFruti16 4 years ago
Kylmät väreet, johtui ilmeisesti musiikista. Hieno video, vähän häiritsi ehkä rakennusten promokuvilta näyttävät kuvat "itse otettujen kuvien" joukossa (siis kuvien erilaisuus), mutta totta kaikki. No summer without sauna. ;)
Syysaamu 4 years ago
kaunis video
tsingger 4 years ago
Ei hitto, no summer without Makkara XDXDXD
Nerdanella 4 years ago
That's a House Martin not a Swallow. Notice white rump and white chin. Nice btw.
VeraRabbit 5 years ago
I love Finland, and love my Finnish friend:) This summer I am going to Finland again:))
Isthid Sibelius music?
dzesene 5 years ago
totta, mitä kesä olisi ilman Makkara? nättejä kuvia kyllä
Slay76 5 years ago
Breathtaking! I love Finland after watching this video. Congratulations!
eurojuanma 5 years ago 2