regardless their size( I'm small), I'm also A street fighter with A lot of friends who think their tough (they don't take martial arts), they always want to play fight w/me, so I know what works and what doesn't. All I have to say is, if you're a WC practitioner, and you want to be a good fighter on the STREET, learn basic grappling (take down and defending the take down), and learn basic boxing(jab, footwork & bob and weave)
To set the record straight. I been taking WC for over 14 years. 80% of Wing Chun is GARBAGE, only 20% is worth practicing and applying, I'm not joking, Bruce Lee believed the same thing, Bruce's last few months, he mostly practiced the groin kick, bil Jee (eye gouge), pok da and lop da. I take Intergrative Wing Chun from Chung K Chow in manhattan, we do wrestling, jui jitsu, Silat, and a few others. Most people in my class have no grappling experience and are VERY easy to take down, regardless
go back and listen close to what jin say. he says u have to kno and understand the objective of a grappler thats what will practice today! pay attention
9 minutes and I still haven't seen a WC approach to defending the takedown? jeez...now we are at 13 minutes and we are still learning how to grapple. what about WC? :(
@sifujosh Easy there, how do you learn how to defend a grapple if you can't do one yourself? You'll realize that with some things in life you can't rely on one set of principles to work for everything. What Jin has done with alot of his video is incorporate other elements into his WC training. Therefore he's teaching more of a hybrid version with extra knowledge from other arts that would help in these sort of situation where you'd have to get creative. That being said he still uses WC principle
@sifujosh There is barely anything else you can do if a wrestler gets to you. I think this is WC to be honest. It is also the sort of thing we do in wrestling.
@kelly980 i don't disagree with teaching some wrestling or grappling in case WC techniques and strategies are bested by your opponent. However, having been a wrestler first in my sports/combat career, it took a significant intellectual/mental shift to get out of thinking "you have to grapple with a grappler." The bottom line is, if you execute (Traditional is my lineage) WC properly, you should never be grabbed, or taken down. Well grabs happen but thats where chi sao comes in.
@kelly980 Henceforth I believe it VERY dangerous to mix the brain of WC students with conflicting concepts and principles because they will NOT be proficient on the ground OR on their feet in avoiding and defusing the takedown firstly. I say own the grappler and their takedowns, and only then teach back-up "what if" type techniques/scenarios. just my thoughts and approach for real world/street/combat
@kelly980 thats not true. not even a little bit. perhaps with jin's version of pivot foot wing chun....but in the full version which includes footwork (stepping), it is very very easy to defend against takedowns WITHOUT wrestling back. learning to be a half-assed wrestler/grappler puts you in danger against someone skilled in that style of fighting. own your own system and style and you'll be fine. again, not a bad idea to have SOME grappling skill, but only AFTER you've perfected WC
@sifujosh To be honest you don't sound convincing. I train with WC guys all the time and they can't stop me taking them down, and I'm not even that good a wrestler (I'm small, slow and weak as far as wrestlers go). You should do a video if you want anyone to take your points seriously.
@kelly980 I don't mean any disrespect, but its because of the footwork, or lack thereof, you've been taught in your version of WC. I will be happy to post some videos soon, we are in the middle of moving the school so it will be a couple weeks...if you're interested in any other examples of how our style differs I'd be happy to demonstrate and post. Fundamentally its a change in philosophy...you have to know firstly how NOT to grapple...
@kelly980 Consider that a grappler has to get past your guard/arms to take you down. Any trained grappler isn't going to lunge at you without first attempting to engage your hands or distract you. Closing the distance and engaging the grappler makes the "shot" takedown obsolete do to distance restrictions. That leaves straight up grappling, hip throws, sweeps etc. In this range you should have the edge. and there are WC techniques if you do get a leg grabbed etc. enjoy the day
sehr gut, sehr hilfreich, sehr gut und verständlich dargestellt, das kommende Video von Jin ist ein "Muß", Dank an Jin und sein Team für die gute Arbeit !!
@wrathVchild What is the wrong with that??Do u play box against a boxer or kung fu against a kung fu?I personally want to go the fight where i am good.So it is not bad to know some basics grappling but i dont train in grappling as u mean it.Jin is also very polite.I would stick my fingers in the eyes to save my ass.
@wrathVchild you forgot to mention the rest of my quote, "...but you DO have to understand the goal of the grappler and HOW he's going to try and achieve it."
@chinaboxer ...and how are you going to do that without practicing? Anyone who uses soft techniques to great effect, whether it be a wrestler, a judoka, or a bjj player is going to be well versed in positioning, grip fighting, and arm/wrist control. The shoot in and double/single leg is about 1% of total grappling. In the martial sports, at least if your goal is to defeat opponents of different styles than you, one must cross train in everything relevant. The key term here is "train."
@chinaboxer I mean no offense to you personally, as I am sure you are a genuinely skilled person, very sincere, and care about your students. I do however think it is doing a disservice to tell your students that they don't have to practice grappling to be proficient against it...utter nonsense.
@wrathVchild Well his students aren't training WC for a sport environment, plus one of his students won silver at a BJJ tournament so I don't know what your saying. You don't need to be proficient at grappling when defending yourself on the street. That is what his students are training WC for street/reality whatever you want to call it. In a sport arena its a must however.
@wrathVchild Well what is the definition of proficiency? It really depends on the scenario such as Papertiger7 said. If the student is entering a UFC, MMA, ect. tournaments which involve grappling and the such then obviously they'd have to train more (I totally agree with you). But a lot of people who learn WC via youtube are only taking out key principles for their normal daily lives, and its very unlikely someone would grapple in a street fight(let alone get in one). It's just extra knowledge.
@wrathVchild He said you don't have to practice grappling techniques simply to prevent take downs. That's sort of obviously true. A take down defense, is not grappling or submission techniques. Just as punching isn't boxing or wing chun. Ther'es more involved there.
@chinaboxer that doesn't mean you should abandon WC concepts and structure...it teaches POOR muscle memory and puts a WC fighter @ an immediate disadvantage. Clearly this "scenario" dictates the attackers is a proficient grappler...what business does a WC fighter have fighting his fight?
when you do chi sao at 15:20, isn't it wrong for you to bend forward while you're giving pressure, what if he pivots or backs away won't you fall into him, losing your balance? When you roll the hands while in the neutral stance, shouldn't you keep your balance at all times?
Whenever I watch your clips I feel like an idiot LOL. Not in a bad way, more like smacking my forehead all the time from understanding stuff that I have been grappling with a long time - no pun intended.
When you do it and explain it it feels as if I should have known that stuff a long time - only i didn`t.
Thanks a thousand times for expanding my horizont with every single clip.
@blacksilkblacksilk I just started the video but I feel the same. This gentleman is enlightening. Good teachers always make me feel like they are just reminding me.. or defining.. stuff I already contain in mind
@chinaboxer Attacking with the hip when they are "high" .. is still the same basic principle of squarely facing incoming force.. LIke a clear thinking person would likely turn their hips at the angle in the first place especially if they practiced with a good techer like you :) I am not necessarily a "wing chun" practitioner.. but if Wing chun is just the name of this approach then I use it with everything..food, psychology, health.. everything
this is not bad but u know its basics of the basics right .... anyway really interesting work and applications of the body structure, understanding the art is a real gift :))
@chinaboxer i love your videos! very clear, concise, and easily digestable information, presented in a very intelligent manner. in my opinion, it would be an honor to visit your school. where do you teach, if you don't mind my asking?
What works in reality is KISS, keeping it simple. What people fail at are the complicated stuff, which is why complicated works in competition. Nobody knows how to counter it until they see it.
When someone grabs you, you are already down on the ground.
Deluded.
tallset2 1 week ago
Thank you so much! This is awesome.
SevenThirtyFive 2 weeks ago
Toll
MsSOSHIDOPIT 2 weeks ago
Hey jim(or jin) umm... where are u located? in CA? because i really want u to be my wing chun teacher.
lilaznboy90 1 month ago
Learning basic Wrestling BJJ and Kickboxing = Basic MMA will make you feel MUCH better than just trying to avoid takedowns.
I prefer the concept of MMA over any single Martial Art trying to integrate some aspects of others.
r2d2rx 2 months ago
The head is a 5th arm? Wrestlers have four arms? ;)
kelly980 3 months ago
@kelly980 Yes, we're monkeys. ;)
rexer888 3 months ago
@kelly980 Triangle choke, using the legs. So the legs are also used as arms.
Cruelty1633 2 months ago
regardless their size( I'm small), I'm also A street fighter with A lot of friends who think their tough (they don't take martial arts), they always want to play fight w/me, so I know what works and what doesn't. All I have to say is, if you're a WC practitioner, and you want to be a good fighter on the STREET, learn basic grappling (take down and defending the take down), and learn basic boxing(jab, footwork & bob and weave)
SchizophrenicNYC 4 months ago 3
To set the record straight. I been taking WC for over 14 years. 80% of Wing Chun is GARBAGE, only 20% is worth practicing and applying, I'm not joking, Bruce Lee believed the same thing, Bruce's last few months, he mostly practiced the groin kick, bil Jee (eye gouge), pok da and lop da. I take Intergrative Wing Chun from Chung K Chow in manhattan, we do wrestling, jui jitsu, Silat, and a few others. Most people in my class have no grappling experience and are VERY easy to take down, regardless
SchizophrenicNYC 4 months ago
go back and listen close to what jin say. he says u have to kno and understand the objective of a grappler thats what will practice today! pay attention
Jhoodemcee 4 months ago
for the 100th time- please open in NJ LOL love the vid's thanks
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9 minutes and I still haven't seen a WC approach to defending the takedown? jeez...now we are at 13 minutes and we are still learning how to grapple. what about WC? :(
sifujosh 4 months ago
@sifujosh Easy there, how do you learn how to defend a grapple if you can't do one yourself? You'll realize that with some things in life you can't rely on one set of principles to work for everything. What Jin has done with alot of his video is incorporate other elements into his WC training. Therefore he's teaching more of a hybrid version with extra knowledge from other arts that would help in these sort of situation where you'd have to get creative. That being said he still uses WC principle
Arbiter1231 4 months ago
@sifujosh There is barely anything else you can do if a wrestler gets to you. I think this is WC to be honest. It is also the sort of thing we do in wrestling.
kelly980 4 months ago
@kelly980 i don't disagree with teaching some wrestling or grappling in case WC techniques and strategies are bested by your opponent. However, having been a wrestler first in my sports/combat career, it took a significant intellectual/mental shift to get out of thinking "you have to grapple with a grappler." The bottom line is, if you execute (Traditional is my lineage) WC properly, you should never be grabbed, or taken down. Well grabs happen but thats where chi sao comes in.
sifujosh 4 months ago
@kelly980 Henceforth I believe it VERY dangerous to mix the brain of WC students with conflicting concepts and principles because they will NOT be proficient on the ground OR on their feet in avoiding and defusing the takedown firstly. I say own the grappler and their takedowns, and only then teach back-up "what if" type techniques/scenarios. just my thoughts and approach for real world/street/combat
sifujosh 4 months ago
@sifujosh If you don't train this type of move, you WILL get taken down and destroyed.
kelly980 4 months ago
@kelly980 thats not true. not even a little bit. perhaps with jin's version of pivot foot wing chun....but in the full version which includes footwork (stepping), it is very very easy to defend against takedowns WITHOUT wrestling back. learning to be a half-assed wrestler/grappler puts you in danger against someone skilled in that style of fighting. own your own system and style and you'll be fine. again, not a bad idea to have SOME grappling skill, but only AFTER you've perfected WC
sifujosh 4 months ago
@sifujosh To be honest you don't sound convincing. I train with WC guys all the time and they can't stop me taking them down, and I'm not even that good a wrestler (I'm small, slow and weak as far as wrestlers go). You should do a video if you want anyone to take your points seriously.
kelly980 4 months ago
@kelly980 I don't mean any disrespect, but its because of the footwork, or lack thereof, you've been taught in your version of WC. I will be happy to post some videos soon, we are in the middle of moving the school so it will be a couple weeks...if you're interested in any other examples of how our style differs I'd be happy to demonstrate and post. Fundamentally its a change in philosophy...you have to know firstly how NOT to grapple...
sifujosh 4 months ago
@sifujosh I'm always looking to learn new ideas so I look forward to the videos
kelly980 4 months ago
@kelly980 Consider that a grappler has to get past your guard/arms to take you down. Any trained grappler isn't going to lunge at you without first attempting to engage your hands or distract you. Closing the distance and engaging the grappler makes the "shot" takedown obsolete do to distance restrictions. That leaves straight up grappling, hip throws, sweeps etc. In this range you should have the edge. and there are WC techniques if you do get a leg grabbed etc. enjoy the day
sifujosh 4 months ago
sehr gut, sehr hilfreich, sehr gut und verständlich dargestellt, das kommende Video von Jin ist ein "Muß", Dank an Jin und sein Team für die gute Arbeit !!
Tvidstein 4 months ago
the video stops working after a while???
hali9999 4 months ago
"You don't have to practice grappling to stop someone trying to grapple you..." LOL, good luck with that plan!
wrathVchild 4 months ago 2
@wrathVchild What is the wrong with that??Do u play box against a boxer or kung fu against a kung fu?I personally want to go the fight where i am good.So it is not bad to know some basics grappling but i dont train in grappling as u mean it.Jin is also very polite.I would stick my fingers in the eyes to save my ass.
dlvt79 4 months ago
@wrathVchild you forgot to mention the rest of my quote, "...but you DO have to understand the goal of the grappler and HOW he's going to try and achieve it."
chinaboxer 4 months ago
@chinaboxer ...and how are you going to do that without practicing? Anyone who uses soft techniques to great effect, whether it be a wrestler, a judoka, or a bjj player is going to be well versed in positioning, grip fighting, and arm/wrist control. The shoot in and double/single leg is about 1% of total grappling. In the martial sports, at least if your goal is to defeat opponents of different styles than you, one must cross train in everything relevant. The key term here is "train."
wrathVchild 4 months ago
@chinaboxer I mean no offense to you personally, as I am sure you are a genuinely skilled person, very sincere, and care about your students. I do however think it is doing a disservice to tell your students that they don't have to practice grappling to be proficient against it...utter nonsense.
wrathVchild 4 months ago
@wrathVchild Well his students aren't training WC for a sport environment, plus one of his students won silver at a BJJ tournament so I don't know what your saying. You don't need to be proficient at grappling when defending yourself on the street. That is what his students are training WC for street/reality whatever you want to call it. In a sport arena its a must however.
papertiger7 4 months ago
@wrathVchild Well what is the definition of proficiency? It really depends on the scenario such as Papertiger7 said. If the student is entering a UFC, MMA, ect. tournaments which involve grappling and the such then obviously they'd have to train more (I totally agree with you). But a lot of people who learn WC via youtube are only taking out key principles for their normal daily lives, and its very unlikely someone would grapple in a street fight(let alone get in one). It's just extra knowledge.
Arbiter1231 4 months ago
@wrathVchild He said you don't have to practice grappling techniques simply to prevent take downs. That's sort of obviously true. A take down defense, is not grappling or submission techniques. Just as punching isn't boxing or wing chun. Ther'es more involved there.
Cruelty1633 2 months ago
@Cruelty1633 "That's sort of obviously ture." LOL. Comedic GOLD.
wrathVchild 2 months ago
@chinaboxer that doesn't mean you should abandon WC concepts and structure...it teaches POOR muscle memory and puts a WC fighter @ an immediate disadvantage. Clearly this "scenario" dictates the attackers is a proficient grappler...what business does a WC fighter have fighting his fight?
sifujosh 4 months ago
@sifujosh
No plan survives contact with the enemy. Fights are not about whose business it is doing what.
Cruelty1633 2 months ago
Jin,
When will the DVD come out, and when will your website be back?????
BTW can i order dvd's from the Netherlands???
Thanks for the lessons
markfrostbite 4 months ago
@markfrostbite yes, it will be available to everyone! =D
chinaboxer 4 months ago
@chinaboxer Perfect, thanks a lot...
You made my day, my week, my month ;)
markfrostbite 4 months ago
Let's see a video of you implementing these techniques in sparring against a wrestler.
sedcontra 4 months ago
@sedcontra this is a traditional wrestling technique.
kelly980 1 month ago
when you do chi sao at 15:20, isn't it wrong for you to bend forward while you're giving pressure, what if he pivots or backs away won't you fall into him, losing your balance? When you roll the hands while in the neutral stance, shouldn't you keep your balance at all times?
Lvlad27 4 months ago
@Lvlad27 great question, and a very important one, we'll get into this subject in the near future, it has to do with maintaining your structure.
chinaboxer 4 months ago
wow nice!!!
devilzmantis 4 months ago
@devilzmantis thanks bro!
chinaboxer 4 months ago
Hi Jin, great to hear about the DVD - will it be "region free"? I'm in the UK and Region 1 DVDs don't work here
spamoo 4 months ago
@spamoo i will make sure that it will be region free and available to everyone!
chinaboxer 4 months ago
I'm prevented a guy from raking me down using this Principe, but I needed to follow through with sprawling. Good job
klevdav 5 months ago
Very good
klevdav 5 months ago
Whenever I watch your clips I feel like an idiot LOL. Not in a bad way, more like smacking my forehead all the time from understanding stuff that I have been grappling with a long time - no pun intended.
When you do it and explain it it feels as if I should have known that stuff a long time - only i didn`t.
Thanks a thousand times for expanding my horizont with every single clip.
take care and have a very good time
silk
;-))
blacksilkblacksilk 5 months ago 3
@blacksilkblacksilk I just started the video but I feel the same. This gentleman is enlightening. Good teachers always make me feel like they are just reminding me.. or defining.. stuff I already contain in mind
sloppymantis 4 months ago
@sloppymantis "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." - Albert Einstein
chinaboxer 4 months ago
@chinaboxer Attacking with the hip when they are "high" .. is still the same basic principle of squarely facing incoming force.. LIke a clear thinking person would likely turn their hips at the angle in the first place especially if they practiced with a good techer like you :) I am not necessarily a "wing chun" practitioner.. but if Wing chun is just the name of this approach then I use it with everything..food, psychology, health.. everything
sloppymantis 4 months ago
@blacksilkblacksilk "simplicity is the highest form of art" - Bruce Lee
chinaboxer 4 months ago
Jin, this video tells me you're one of the most complete martial artists i've seen
elchacal31 5 months ago
please make a trailer/announcement on youtube when the dvd is out, thanks :)
scornography 5 months ago
like this one!
maharis2000 5 months ago
Jin! Please, add sub's to your DVD! This will be very helpful!
TonyHanin 5 months ago
Sharp guy.
utubesqueeze 5 months ago
BRAVO JIN!!!!!!!!!!!
Insomniac4444 5 months ago
14:00 "he feels my body now...it wants to go in"...ahem.
nice vid Jin !
yourtube20061 5 months ago 9
@yourtube20061 that's what she said
MegaTorontoRaptors 3 months ago
You do the same shit I do. I feel smart now.
Monoceraptor00 5 months ago
this is making me think on what to do if the person is bigger than you and has more weight on you as well
darthwolfX2 5 months ago
WHATS A CHINWAZA?
wingchun21 5 months ago
excellent insights
ThisSentenceIsFalse 5 months ago
this is not bad but u know its basics of the basics right .... anyway really interesting work and applications of the body structure, understanding the art is a real gift :))
ammar3arafa 5 months ago
@ammar3arafa "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
chinaboxer 4 months ago 12
@chinaboxer i love your videos! very clear, concise, and easily digestable information, presented in a very intelligent manner. in my opinion, it would be an honor to visit your school. where do you teach, if you don't mind my asking?
mikeycrabtree123 4 months ago
@ammar3arafa
What works in reality is KISS, keeping it simple. What people fail at are the complicated stuff, which is why complicated works in competition. Nobody knows how to counter it until they see it.
Cruelty1633 2 months ago
jin you are a 5'2 asian you belong on so you think you can dance
MrDko9873 5 months ago
@MrDko9873 i'm not 5'2"?! i'm at least 5'2 and a 1/2!!!
chinaboxer 4 months ago 12
@MrDko9873 You're really 5'2? Lol you look a lot taller.
sickness324 3 months ago
thanks jin, wonderful video again (:
LOLittleHero 5 months ago
actually I can't wait for that dvd to come out.
kiekert2007 5 months ago
Yeah! I'll buy this DVD, no doubt!
Great video, Jin! Where i am training KF i have been learning some jiu-jitsu techniques too, but nothing so simple like this.
Thanks!!!
dani31candid0 5 months ago
you have exceeded yourself yet again ! gem of a lesson!
sheiksadique 5 months ago
Thank u Jin... I wish one day to have a crash course trainning there
Azfargh 5 months ago
a dvd is being made...great! From making videos on YouTube with 240 p to a whole dvd what a jump!
RjEatsDogs 5 months ago
KEEEWL stuff bro !!! Finally some Wing Chun defense against BJJ and wrestling takedowns that looks doable and no BS !!! Re-SPECT !!!
jbravo41 5 months ago
thx jin
YiLuXiangBang 5 months ago
This is amazing....
taiwanoob 5 months ago
that was very informative
GamesPlayer1 5 months ago