It's all this crap about the "American Dream" which boils down to getting a lot more stuff you dont really need has sent a majority of americans into a place where they simply cant see what a clear issue this is. SO here, from a European, is the way to look at this issue:
1)universities should be free to qualified students who will go on to become assets to society
What if she didn't go to college? If she's your average person, which she probably is, she would likely never be able to earn more than today's equivalent of $15/hour. Provided she finds a job after graduating that pays at least $60,000 a year and lives on $2500 a month or less, she will be able to pay off her debt in about 15 years, after which, she has a better chance at being better of financially should she not have ever gone to college.
Absolutly not. Unfortunately we have been living with this bubble of over inflation, housing, education, and everything that has been deemed the "American Dream". Everyone wants the piece of the pie and that drives up the demand for houses, an education, and everything else. eventually the bubble will burst as the average person can no longer afford the house on the hill, and the college education. Then it will be back to the basics.
At the age 0f 28 I went back to school after 2 year im 38 gs in the hole. I did just get a nice new job the will pay me 7 more bucks an hour to start. I still have 2-4 years left of school. When im done with school I will have to pay around 100 Gs just like you said but I will be making if I am lucky 75gs a year.
@sskinner99 So the free-market thinking goes like this: "This corporation has a monopoly because they are horrendously big. Therefore, the market will adapt by bringing forth a competitor. If no one steps up then its your fault for suffering this." Or maybe like this "The free market dictates that those who can best make use of resources, whether they were gotten from illegitimate means or not, means that its okay" ie might makes right. Economics is a HORRIBLE way to run society.
@sskinner99 Free market ideology is based on so many fallacies, i don't even know where to begin. First of all, it's based on the assumption that because people *can*, then they *will*. This is a fallacy: no one in their right mind would go up against a corporation in an attempt to undercut them because they KNOW the corporation can absorb the loss of profit from a small spell of undercutting.
@sskinner99 Thus what you get is a corporate oligarchy: they set prices not based on real value (Ie cost of production plus a reasonable margin of profit). Thus why you see things like healthcare and gas prices skyrocket - because they're able to manipulate the market to get people to pay exorbitant prices for essential goods and services. Not because they are valued as such but because of manipulation. *That* is the free market.
@sskinner99 And second of all, that doesn't benefit society; the moment the competition goes out of business, the other company is free to ramp up their prices as MUCH they like and no one will invest in that area because they'll be continually bought out. So you'll have a vacuum of competition punctuated by short periods of relative cheap prices, but no rational economically minded person would ever get involved because it'd be sure-fired loss of their investment.
@sskinner99 What a load of crock. Monopolies form when businesses get too big to allow smaller competition to survive without being bought out or undercut. I'm not talking about 'official' monopolies, wihch are just a government reflection of the real monopolies that exist in a 'free market' system where there is no government intervention. This is basic economics, so I can only assume that you're spouting propaganda. Take a look at ANY MNC and you'll quickly see what i'm talking about.
@sskinner99 u make a lot of assumptions. monopolies can form in small towns w/o government. two small businesses can easily price fix. you assume that a third business will automatically spring up to compete & drive prices down. no guarantee. in a small market that is less apt to happen especially because the other two business could simply lower prices again & then the profit of a small base is divided between three businesses. free marketers make a lot of false assumptions to support dogma
Whoa and I thought I was in bad shape, some of you are in debt to the tune of 100K ? You know what you do: You pick yourself up by your bootstraps and work 3 or 4 (or 6) jobs and pay off those loans (that you knowingly took up). My grandfather use to walk 50 miles (barefooted) to school everyday. He worked 95 hours a week and attended college full time and not once did he seek a handout. You lazy inept Americans disgust me!
When I lived in America- the state universities were (for instate students) v inexpensive and most(Connecticut I'm thinking of) had "branches" in So you could do your first 2 years lving at home and paying just a few hundred dollars tuition--then in your junior year take your credits and transfer to residence at the main campus at Storrs--where again for instate students tuition was very low(my wife--from a poor family--managed to get a degree with NO debts)
Of course it is! it's the free market! we can bail out corporations because capitalism isn't allowed to fail, but fuck our fellow tax payers. I'll be damned if my money doesn't go to bombing children overseas!
i'm gonna finish university in one year, and will have a 50000 debt by then (I'm in canada, and only pay part of university by debt since i have a job). Since i'm having an engineering degree, i'll probably make between 35000 and 70000$ a year. For me, i guess it is worth it. People want to get a "degree" without really choosing one that will get them a job, and then try to live above their means. Until they learn to control their bank account, they'll get ripped by banks.
Fight for it people.. I have never know college to be simple if your a slacker... I have gone thru so much paperwork for my child.. Do all the others ?????
You know I have a child who got a full 4 year scholarship. Room and books are also paid for. And his classes. He's American born. It is a privlege. And we are greatful. But a campus/college can only give so many free rides. He never slacked at anytime. Since he was a sophmore he has taken college classes.. It depends on what it is that they want or allowed..Are the people in your area up for scholarships??
agreed.i have been too absorbed with homeschool and family (and making ends meet) here for the past year...did you post a video i can look at to know what your solution is if you have one?I am sincerely interested in what you propose we do.nearly every one of my kids did not take college,and i doubt the last two will be able to afford it unless it was totally subsidised by govt funding.its very sad, protean.
@practicalmagic9 i am sorry to ask you to point out a vid...it is just more succinct.your video titles are usually clear, just point me in a direction if you can...either way, i appreciate your videos!
We could have a system like many found in Europe, where health care and higher education are provided and the standard of living is pretty much the same.
But we worry a lot more about a rich person's "right" to get ever richer than we do about the needs of everyone else and society at large.
I think it's a DISGUSTING amount of debt just for an advanced lvl of education ut will take her DECADES to pay that off this lvl of debt is not sustainable. Here in uk the voted in changes so that uni can charge upto £9k per term. I am so glad I did not bother going it is not worth it. There is mo job security. They are wasting their time and money.
We have far too many people and the workplace trend is to do more with LESS people for less pay. So even with her degree she will face difficulty finding a job that will pay her enough to live comfortably considering her mountain of debt. Because of the COMPETITION for the job she seeks the pay/wage has been driven as low as possible.
There is not going to ever be a REAL economic recovery. This is the new normal. Global corporate greed guaranteed to succeed backed by the US Taxpayer.
ARGH! This is one of my most close-to-heart topics. It is just absolutely ridiculous that you have to pay for education, let alone it being so expensive and run only for profit. This is the future of our civilisation we are talking about! And the only reason it is not free is because the governments who introduced these cuts were lowering the taxes, and thus more popular. People need to stop thinking about what is best for them, or best in the short term. continued....
il have around $60,000 of debt by the time i graduate next. Il be 22 also. iv been working 40 hours a week as a full time student since i was a freshman, sometimes even more and im so exhausted. My parents could only afford to help me slightly. The prices of books alone for this this semester has cost me roughly $1500, and they seem to be rising every semester. I cant say iv enjoyed college the slightest bit. I really think il end up joining the army after i graduate.
@bytePanther I did that. I gotta tell you, when you're worried about paying rent, and you don't have enough in the bank to buy $14.68 worth of food, your GPA suffers. School is definitely not your first priority.
I'm glad I live in Finland where all Universities are free-of tuition. We also get student benefits, plus housing allowances if we live outside of the parents house.
@SternMann93 Yeah, well, our taxes go to bombing people and bailing out poorly-run banks because we are free.
When our tax money goes to other Americans for health or education, it's communism & it's bad. We'd rather our tax money go to bombing Muslims, I mean liberating them. We're making cuts here in The States while sending troops to Uganda and aiding Israel w/ billions of dollars. That's real freedom, baby!
@proteanview Why do you think I joined the military? Now I realize not everybody is willing and/or capable of serving, but the thing is, as you've already put in this video, a lot of kids these days are either sucking their parents dry or their barely even making it through while trying to get an education that actually gets them somewhere in society. Not to mention Financial aid only gets you so far, assuming you even qualify for that.
She should have went for a engineering degree ,or something in information technology. But yea ,lots of these courses offered ,are nonsense courses for a fast earning income ,unless you plan on teaching. which does not pay to well anyways.
BUT the side titles are a joke >> "SUCKING YOU PARENT DRY -- L< well maybe if you have them, and maybe if they have any money to begin with.
You didn't tell us what she got her degree in. If she got an Engineering degree for example, and is already making $70,000 - 80,000 a year as a 22 year old, yes, it was probably worth it. If she went to a liberal arts university for a degree in Art History, absolutely not.
If its all a matter of job, there are other options (used to be a lot more of those options) than university.
University can make you a good person...but so can church and they don't charge you for going into the front door...at least the ones I've attended.
But if all your interested in a job, experience is a better use of your time. Then there are supposed to be trade schools, or if you know a guy, then be his apprentice.
I went to college in the 1970's. Cost me $1200 and my dad chipped in half. That was a fair deal. The college had the power to tax and that kept tuition low. I lived with my parents and drove to school to save money also.
I think there should be a public option for college, like an extension of high school. Pay for private if you want, or pick a free degree from the public college paid for with our taxes.
@tenagliac there is a public option, it's called community college. and for the most part the degrees they offer are worthless if you are looking for a job. the only thing they are worth are getting into a larger more expensive school easier. Or you could just go to a diploma mill college, but I have worked with dozens of people who went that route and most were absolute idiots.
My highest degree is a GED, and I have worked in the tech industry for the last 10 years. I have seen dozens of kids come in fresh out of university that got paid twice as much as I did, but couldn't tell the difference between public and private IP addresses. Pretty much my options are to sacrifice my health, living space and sleep (since the wages I earn would not pay for the cost of the degree) or go into debt slavery for a considerable period of my productive life. GO USA!!!
No! The miseducational system is and will continue to be corrupt. Most Americans spend practically nothing for public school from K-12th Grade. Suddenly, they have to cough up thousands of dollars per semester for classes, not to mention the ridiculous cost of buying mostly used college books. After the fiasco of at least 4 year has ended, the undergrad student has to interview for a job to pay off the debt, or go on to graduate school for more debt! Post graduate debts can last for decades!
I believe college is most important. i mean how are you going to say ¨do you want fries with that¨? ( operor vos volo amicus per ut?) in latin without the proper education?
It's kinda funny... my parents wanted me to go to college, I didn't. Fortunately, I know what I want to do professionally and know precisely what information I need to get it.
Germans dont pay for college... its free because they dont fight oil for wars, or ask the rich to pay 15 percent on stock profits... I wanted to become a doctor but I had to drop out because My mother died my second year and I could not afford to continue... Now im racked... with debt and my credit is shot... Its no wonder Mexicans are going back to Mexico in droves.
Nope. This is why I didn't go to college I wanted to at one point; but due to politics and the fact that I have seen so many college graduates in debt and then having to go work at KFC because of over saturation : I decided against itAnd really it's just a piece of paper, maybe it has a PHD or an MD on it-but it's a piece of paper. Funny how we put value on it; not unlike the money, which they print out of nothing.
@IronBobcat2278 I have a CH at the end of my name; but if you ask me; it's the work that counts, not the paper. A lot of great and ground-breaking hypnotists were hobbyists . There are 12 year olds, who know more about computers then some of the guys at Microsoft-so what's with all the emphasis on "higher education-you're best teacher is experience, you're best Tudor is you. You can only gain knowledge out of books, but experience is knowledge applied.
@IronBobcat2278 In the 70's, college tuition fees costs about $900-nowadays they costs thousands and one could argue that this is because of all the computers and high-tech stuff; but i think a large part of it; is to get people into debt, as quickly as possible. Sounds sick, doesn't it? Create and perpetuate the debt, so generations will inherit it. You want to talk about Sins of the Fathers-think about that. Education should be fun, interesting and motivating-and what you do should bring joy
NO ITS NOT WORKING lets do the math 500-600 euro per year here in belgium to become a doctor or nurse....a judge hhmm maybe 650-700. I WIN!! Oh oh oh let me say with top notch health care...smh!!! SAD
You're right there, but I know this sounds very selfish, but the Scottish government is going to introduce fees for Universities 1 or 2 years after I leave, so although i'll have to pay taxes, they won't contribute towards university education.
"The goal of the Oligarchy is to control and profit from the creative spirit of man-- whereby only a rare few will be granted the opportunity to develop their creative and spiritual gifts"
~~cc
I was engaged to the daughter of an established family of attorneys; the word came down from the top, "There will be no artists in this family~!". Personally, I didn't think the dream of self-employed free-market creative capitalism was such a threat.
its not working. its a scam. it doesnt matter how smart or innovative or amitious you are. the corporations know.... they got ya.. and they will cash in.
biggest way to suck the parents money marriage. at least the father of the bride. my point is marriage with young people is fraud. its only good if you can screw the government and rich corporations too. screw religion while your at it. the kids you dont birth will thank you thru karma.
No, not at all, our education system is broke, it's less about education and more about going to a 4 year resort and price reflects this. Watch my video "College Graduates: Why you are unemployed"
It's not working. It's hard for me to believe it ever worked. I realized this after 2 years of community college, so I got out with ~$7500 in student loan debt. Sometimes you have to make hard choices (it sucks that I have to make them now with a relative lack of experience). I chose to not get married, not buy a house, not finish my degree, not buy a new car, ect. I do without these things, because I know that I can't afford them. It's hard to imagine how I ever could have. Hope I chose right.
Not reasonable at all. College is make believe lala land where you get to live in luxury and party the night away. At the end, its pay back time. College is a slave factory. Student loans (which can NEVER be dismissed, even though bankruptcy) are the chains. Just skip college altogether and go straight to work and gain EXPERIENCE. No one is to blame but the ones who sign on the dotted line and enrolled in all those useless courses just to get a giant receipt(diploma) at the end of 4 years.
@InformedParent My daughter delayed community college to work in Lake Tahoe. After 4 years she was more employable than her friends who went to college. She now has better qualifications because it seems the affluent people she has worked for admire a self-made person over a spoiled rich kid (like their own family members). I was doing a project for a UC professor 6 years ago, and he advised me that she was doing the smart thing~!
"Delusions are difficult to face-- and cause acne"
@carefulcarpenter Congrats dad! I'd feel the same way. Much more respect for the person whose out there working their butt off. You can sleep easy now, my friend. I'll make sure my son doesn't fall into that slave trap, either. I'm hoping to start a business soon that I can pass down to him. His edumacation will be "How to be BOSS 101" with plenty of hands on experience.
@InformedParent Know what? In regard to my son, I wanted him to at least take some college courses. Since he is a talented photographer, he did sign-on for the classes, but would just show up to present his portfolio, yet not for class. So, he quit after a couple of semesters, is running his own photo-business, and could get on fine without any more classes and no degree.
I'm glad, for him, that he got it figured out so early-- debt-FREE!
@annebeck58 I bet you are relieved. I'll make damn sure my little boy is just as wise. But also let them know college is a great place for him to find people willing to work for him for FREE(interns), lolol.
This is why my own daughter is still in a community college after more than a few years. We have an excellent community college, in Austin, so she's lucky in that regard. We've discussed her finishing at UTexas, but, she does not want that debt and I don't blame her.
it's a terrible way for these kids to have to start off their lives. However, if one is in college to learn, only, staying at a Community College or Junior College may be the right thing.
College was a wonderful experience. Everyone should go and gain some independent experience after high school before they enter real life. Burdened with loans may be a bad first step as one enters life.
I learned a skilled trade after college. I found meaningful work when college grads were limited and specifically prepared for corporate or institutional work. In the long run, a person must be adaptive, and creative. College selects out creative thought in favor of conventional.
Challenging times require creative and practical intelligence-- the kind that college did not develop. Common sense intelligence would dissuade a person from going into debt without some reasonable prospects for long-term benefits.
@carefulcarpenter Isn't that crazy, though; going to college and spending that amount of cash before starting independent life? i did six years in University system. I got a lot of scholarships and only a very few low-interest loans. I paid all off right before my 30th birthday, and bought a house a couple of months later.
I am also working in a skilled trade, and my art-school background has really helped, but I probably could have done well enough without the college- though it was fun.
@annebeck58 College was FUN!! I would suggest anyone who can afford it should go-- but it is not the path for everyone. I would love to go back for another degree-- because I love the environment.
My niece turned down a college athletic scholarship and turned pro instead. She is now a 3-time Olympian and earned 15 National Championships in skiing. How in the world could a college academic program replace her natural competitive spirit? College is mostly for unmotivated youth.
modern america have interpreted the american dream as getting and paying off loans. and possibly getting a machinegun to "protect your family" (if you live in texas)
The system is self adjusting and soon only the wealthy will be able to get 'educated" the rest will make due with job training. After all- entry level executive postions are saved for executive family and friends- not for joe blow who went to school. Those real opportunities are few and far between...
@brainnoise1 Yes, it has been a "who you know not what you know" system. I became relatively free because I listened to established people who gave me clues. College is expensive, which means that the richer one is the more likely one's children will be offered gainful opportunity. One better have a degree to prove they earned daddy's inheritance.
I turned down offers that were handed to me. A college girlfriend has never had to apply for a job, she told me.
Doesn't work. College is the new entry into serfdom society. With loans U R indebted to the system 4 ever. I am all 4 higher ed, for god sakes I am a college advisor, but 4 the average person to accrue that sort of debt for the college as right of passage is insane.
The "american dream" is dead. It died a long time ago. We are nothing but wage slaves now.. I see no point in trying to buy your own home right now in america. It will only bring you more debt. I went back to college and I will be in more debt (even though I get scholarships and grants, it still isn't enough.) Now that I am in college I kinda feel like I am being ripped off and I should have just went to a trade school.. Trade schools here cost a lot also but I wouldn't be in debt for thousands
@kitrana really, how does the canadian college system work? do most of your graduates go on to get good jobs? are you happier? it seems that americans are miserable, support stupid republican and democrat parties that made the country go further down the drain. just asking, thanks
@kitrana that is good to know, me and one of my friends were thinking about moving there, since the standard of living in america is going down, the economy, the violence, the increasing poverty and death of the middle class, i'm really sick and tired of living here
Not at odd at all. I have About £9000 worth of student debt and my degree hasn't helped me get a job at all.
In fact looking at my Facebook friends the successful ones are those who were clever enough not to go to university or in so many cases brave enough to stand up to facist parents and say "fuck no"
In such system people actually only become free when they die.
When they die, only then they are free from all the debt, credits, motgages ... up until then they work their asses off to pay to the banks they loaned from, banks who actually own every item the have.
Of course this can't go on forever.
I'm debt free, thank God. All that I do and buy is from my personal accumulation. My grandfather built a house with NO loans, and he owned it then. So did my great-grandfather. Today? Dont think so
It's the corporate and governments best wet dream. If you are in debt, you have to work, working people pay more taxes and have less time to observe their world and complain about it. So they can rob you blind until you die, and you have no say in it. :)
Welcome to the fascist states of amerika. And the only way to get a good credit score, which is what determines if they will even sell you a house, is to put yourself into a ton of debt and pay it all off quickly. Fuck this country. Capitalism is a failure. I've already contacted a couple foreign embassies about expatriation. If a republican gets elected president and if our current moron in chief keeps bending over for them, I'm leaving this piece of shit country and going to medschool.
It's reasonable if you can make 100k out of school, which some people can. Does she have a BS or masters? The system is wack thanks to government intervention.
Absolutely not! This is why I didn't finish at a university. Once the scholarship money ran out, and I realized what kind of debt I was facing, the education didn't seem like such a good investment. I was already making decent money, essentially the same as people I knew who were college graduates paying their loans. I later spent $1300 getting a certification, and I've had some professional licenses.
Hell No, it's not working. The entire system is a complete failure economically, politically, and socially. Just watch how the masses stampede Wal-Marts, Targets, and Best Buys this Black Friday, risking their irrational-consumerist lives for superfluous bullshit.
Well, what else are we supposed to do, when so many of the well-paying jobs require the social mobility that comes with education? Blame the universities that charge this amount, not the students who "suck their parents dry" or the parents who agree to be sucked dry because they want their children to "do well" in life.
The amount of young people that come out of university in the UK cant even get a job today.Lets face it guys you are fucked before your even start your life
Of course its not working, at least not to the students benefit. Balooning costs the result of every instance where the government interferes in the private market though. Same thing with healthcare costs. Debt is slavery and the days of only needing one person working in a household, or leaving college with no debt are long gone.
"Free markets" have designed USA to suck plebs dry. Funny thing is, plebs blame the only thing that can keep "free markets" in check. Must be because media is owned by "free markets".
@Sivels socialism is an advanced scientific theory, capitalism is a happenstance post-feudal accident born of the same minds who gave us racism and colonial politics
@oporim USA has socialism. But the problem is that most of it goes all the way to the already rich. And it doesn't trickle down. The middle-class works harder than before, but they have no moved on inch forward in three decades. And Americans barely have vacations. I think Carlin was right "they own you".
Scandinavian countries btw do very well in life quality studies.
@RadicalSyndicate You mean the farming collectives that society operated during the dark ages where people were prohibited from leaving their village and all of fruits of their labor were confiscated by their rulers weren't socialism/communism?
socialism is an advanced justification for government slavery. Go choke on a dick bitch.
The biggest breakthrough of our time is the "free media". It manages to convince people with 3x less vacation time to think they are not slaves. Those folk in socialist Europe have it really bad.
@shihouka There is no free market in USA. There's oligarchy, cartels, monopolies ...
If there actually were free market, small and medium businesses would flourish, people would be rich and would buy good stuff for reasonable price.
The lack of free market is what drove you into a position where you start your lives in debt. State needs to define a minimal set of regulations that keep everyone in fair relationships. Over regulation is bad. Under regulation too.
@shihouka Media is not owned by free markets - media airwaves and radio broadcast wavelengths, are again regulated by government licensing smart ass. Not anybody can get a loan and put a satellite in space, it requires extensive govt regulation and licensing and authorization, since only the wealthiest can comply it keeps free market competition away. Lol sounds like you dont know what the fuck you're talking about pleb...
Thus, we have "free market". This is why plebs need to be told what to think by the "free media". They cant comprehend if it is not spelled out using large font.
@shihouka You obviously dont have a single legitimate argument against free markets regulating themselves and have just convinced yourself with no evidence that they dont work. Weve not had a free market in decades, if ever truly at all, so i wouldn't cite US failures as a case against it trololol
@shihouka You dont have free markets here in the US currently, did you even read my first post detailing an ex of this? We arguably have never had truly free markets and the fact you think we have one in 2011 is proof positive your indoctrination is beyond deprogramming.
@shihouka Right here is where you fail. You think this is the result of free market capitalism when youve never had it to begin with. LOL you are in denial bro - youve had govt deals, no bid contracts, licenses galore and no free market competition - thats NOT free markets. That is the result of years of crony capitalism and govt sponsored monopolies. Free markets would dismantle every controlling interest w/competition almost overnight. Youre just indoctrinated to think capitalism=bad lolol
@dogatron Strawman. Free-markets don't exist in nature, and they don't exist outside of massive state intervention in the economy (rules, regulations, etc, that stop people from doing what they want, ie making monopolies). It's based on a flawed sense of thinking: the greed of others will help everyone in general. no, the only thing it does is allow those with teh power and resources to continue getting fat off of everyone else (See: 1%). Capitalism is broken without compassion.
go to study in gaza, they will love you there
abenyamini1 2 months ago
It's all this crap about the "American Dream" which boils down to getting a lot more stuff you dont really need has sent a majority of americans into a place where they simply cant see what a clear issue this is. SO here, from a European, is the way to look at this issue:
1)universities should be free to qualified students who will go on to become assets to society
2)graduates will earn more and pay higher taxes.
3)the higher taxes will fund future students.
Society gets better.
CobinRain 3 months ago
What if she didn't go to college? If she's your average person, which she probably is, she would likely never be able to earn more than today's equivalent of $15/hour. Provided she finds a job after graduating that pays at least $60,000 a year and lives on $2500 a month or less, she will be able to pay off her debt in about 15 years, after which, she has a better chance at being better of financially should she not have ever gone to college.
SepherStar 3 months ago
Absolutly not. Unfortunately we have been living with this bubble of over inflation, housing, education, and everything that has been deemed the "American Dream". Everyone wants the piece of the pie and that drives up the demand for houses, an education, and everything else. eventually the bubble will burst as the average person can no longer afford the house on the hill, and the college education. Then it will be back to the basics.
KevoEffect 3 months ago
At the age 0f 28 I went back to school after 2 year im 38 gs in the hole. I did just get a nice new job the will pay me 7 more bucks an hour to start. I still have 2-4 years left of school. When im done with school I will have to pay around 100 Gs just like you said but I will be making if I am lucky 75gs a year.
No its not fair.
laidoffforlife 3 months ago
@sskinner99 Ron Paul is your last pope.
Pastor9764 3 months ago
@sskinner99
Communists also had conditioned parrots to repeat same meaningless phrases. They still failed like "free marketeers" are failing today.
shihouka 3 months ago
@sskinner99
"Free marketeers" in USA have reached their logical conclusion. Greed based economics can get you only so far. Whats the big surprise?
shihouka 3 months ago
@sskinner99 So the free-market thinking goes like this: "This corporation has a monopoly because they are horrendously big. Therefore, the market will adapt by bringing forth a competitor. If no one steps up then its your fault for suffering this." Or maybe like this "The free market dictates that those who can best make use of resources, whether they were gotten from illegitimate means or not, means that its okay" ie might makes right. Economics is a HORRIBLE way to run society.
NwZ2 3 months ago
@sskinner99 Free market ideology is based on so many fallacies, i don't even know where to begin. First of all, it's based on the assumption that because people *can*, then they *will*. This is a fallacy: no one in their right mind would go up against a corporation in an attempt to undercut them because they KNOW the corporation can absorb the loss of profit from a small spell of undercutting.
NwZ2 3 months ago
@sskinner99 Thus what you get is a corporate oligarchy: they set prices not based on real value (Ie cost of production plus a reasonable margin of profit). Thus why you see things like healthcare and gas prices skyrocket - because they're able to manipulate the market to get people to pay exorbitant prices for essential goods and services. Not because they are valued as such but because of manipulation. *That* is the free market.
NwZ2 3 months ago
@sskinner99 And second of all, that doesn't benefit society; the moment the competition goes out of business, the other company is free to ramp up their prices as MUCH they like and no one will invest in that area because they'll be continually bought out. So you'll have a vacuum of competition punctuated by short periods of relative cheap prices, but no rational economically minded person would ever get involved because it'd be sure-fired loss of their investment.
NwZ2 3 months ago
@sskinner99 What a load of crock. Monopolies form when businesses get too big to allow smaller competition to survive without being bought out or undercut. I'm not talking about 'official' monopolies, wihch are just a government reflection of the real monopolies that exist in a 'free market' system where there is no government intervention. This is basic economics, so I can only assume that you're spouting propaganda. Take a look at ANY MNC and you'll quickly see what i'm talking about.
NwZ2 3 months ago
@sskinner99 u make a lot of assumptions. monopolies can form in small towns w/o government. two small businesses can easily price fix. you assume that a third business will automatically spring up to compete & drive prices down. no guarantee. in a small market that is less apt to happen especially because the other two business could simply lower prices again & then the profit of a small base is divided between three businesses. free marketers make a lot of false assumptions to support dogma
khemeticone 3 months ago
Whoa and I thought I was in bad shape, some of you are in debt to the tune of 100K ? You know what you do: You pick yourself up by your bootstraps and work 3 or 4 (or 6) jobs and pay off those loans (that you knowingly took up). My grandfather use to walk 50 miles (barefooted) to school everyday. He worked 95 hours a week and attended college full time and not once did he seek a handout. You lazy inept Americans disgust me!
bgrim2008 3 months ago
When I lived in America- the state universities were (for instate students) v inexpensive and most(Connecticut I'm thinking of) had "branches" in So you could do your first 2 years lving at home and paying just a few hundred dollars tuition--then in your junior year take your credits and transfer to residence at the main campus at Storrs--where again for instate students tuition was very low(my wife--from a poor family--managed to get a degree with NO debts)
Has this changed?
CobinRain 3 months ago
Who wants to drink the koolade with me
SeriouslyPissedOff 3 months ago
Of course it is! it's the free market! we can bail out corporations because capitalism isn't allowed to fail, but fuck our fellow tax payers. I'll be damned if my money doesn't go to bombing children overseas!
NwZ2 3 months ago
she know what she was getting into before she went to college i hope
tomyhill123 4 months ago
i'm gonna finish university in one year, and will have a 50000 debt by then (I'm in canada, and only pay part of university by debt since i have a job). Since i'm having an engineering degree, i'll probably make between 35000 and 70000$ a year. For me, i guess it is worth it. People want to get a "degree" without really choosing one that will get them a job, and then try to live above their means. Until they learn to control their bank account, they'll get ripped by banks.
ThinkerResearcher 4 months ago
Fight for it people.. I have never know college to be simple if your a slacker... I have gone thru so much paperwork for my child.. Do all the others ?????
TheBeanie2k 4 months ago
You know I have a child who got a full 4 year scholarship. Room and books are also paid for. And his classes. He's American born. It is a privlege. And we are greatful. But a campus/college can only give so many free rides. He never slacked at anytime. Since he was a sophmore he has taken college classes.. It depends on what it is that they want or allowed..Are the people in your area up for scholarships??
TheBeanie2k 4 months ago
agreed.i have been too absorbed with homeschool and family (and making ends meet) here for the past year...did you post a video i can look at to know what your solution is if you have one?I am sincerely interested in what you propose we do.nearly every one of my kids did not take college,and i doubt the last two will be able to afford it unless it was totally subsidised by govt funding.its very sad, protean.
practicalmagic9 4 months ago
@practicalmagic9 i am sorry to ask you to point out a vid...it is just more succinct.your video titles are usually clear, just point me in a direction if you can...either way, i appreciate your videos!
practicalmagic9 4 months ago
America, home of the stupid.
We could have a system like many found in Europe, where health care and higher education are provided and the standard of living is pretty much the same.
But we worry a lot more about a rich person's "right" to get ever richer than we do about the needs of everyone else and society at large.
EyeLean5280 4 months ago
I think it's a DISGUSTING amount of debt just for an advanced lvl of education ut will take her DECADES to pay that off this lvl of debt is not sustainable. Here in uk the voted in changes so that uni can charge upto £9k per term. I am so glad I did not bother going it is not worth it. There is mo job security. They are wasting their time and money.
TheAnonyy 4 months ago 2
We have far too many people and the workplace trend is to do more with LESS people for less pay. So even with her degree she will face difficulty finding a job that will pay her enough to live comfortably considering her mountain of debt. Because of the COMPETITION for the job she seeks the pay/wage has been driven as low as possible.
There is not going to ever be a REAL economic recovery. This is the new normal. Global corporate greed guaranteed to succeed backed by the US Taxpayer.
stanleysteama 4 months ago
No - Get a job with Joe the Plumber
lovnwillard 4 months ago
And then the Republicunts complain if we even want to move a bit closer to Socialism
Socialism in its pure form is 1000x better than Capitalism.
WKaliberr 4 months ago
I shouldn't have to debate with myself about whether to go to university or not just because of the debt I would get myself in.
d0md0mt0mt0m 4 months ago
ARGH! This is one of my most close-to-heart topics. It is just absolutely ridiculous that you have to pay for education, let alone it being so expensive and run only for profit. This is the future of our civilisation we are talking about! And the only reason it is not free is because the governments who introduced these cuts were lowering the taxes, and thus more popular. People need to stop thinking about what is best for them, or best in the short term. continued....
d0md0mt0mt0m 4 months ago
il have around $60,000 of debt by the time i graduate next. Il be 22 also. iv been working 40 hours a week as a full time student since i was a freshman, sometimes even more and im so exhausted. My parents could only afford to help me slightly. The prices of books alone for this this semester has cost me roughly $1500, and they seem to be rising every semester. I cant say iv enjoyed college the slightest bit. I really think il end up joining the army after i graduate.
juniwilliams 4 months ago 2
no.
Yahweigh 4 months ago
@bytePanther I did that. I gotta tell you, when you're worried about paying rent, and you don't have enough in the bank to buy $14.68 worth of food, your GPA suffers. School is definitely not your first priority.
Your other points stand.
beriukay 4 months ago
I'm glad I live in Finland where all Universities are free-of tuition. We also get student benefits, plus housing allowances if we live outside of the parents house.
SternMann93 4 months ago 11
@SternMann93 Yeah, well, our taxes go to bombing people and bailing out poorly-run banks because we are free.
When our tax money goes to other Americans for health or education, it's communism & it's bad. We'd rather our tax money go to bombing Muslims, I mean liberating them. We're making cuts here in The States while sending troops to Uganda and aiding Israel w/ billions of dollars. That's real freedom, baby!
proteanview 4 months ago 23
@proteanview Why do you think I joined the military? Now I realize not everybody is willing and/or capable of serving, but the thing is, as you've already put in this video, a lot of kids these days are either sucking their parents dry or their barely even making it through while trying to get an education that actually gets them somewhere in society. Not to mention Financial aid only gets you so far, assuming you even qualify for that.
cknell546 4 months ago
In-state tuition at William and Mary isn't putting me in a whole lot of debt
Da55Moose 4 months ago
She should have went for a engineering degree ,or something in information technology. But yea ,lots of these courses offered ,are nonsense courses for a fast earning income ,unless you plan on teaching. which does not pay to well anyways.
BUT the side titles are a joke >> "SUCKING YOU PARENT DRY -- L< well maybe if you have them, and maybe if they have any money to begin with.
axisapex 4 months ago
You didn't tell us what she got her degree in. If she got an Engineering degree for example, and is already making $70,000 - 80,000 a year as a 22 year old, yes, it was probably worth it. If she went to a liberal arts university for a degree in Art History, absolutely not.
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1con0clast 4 months ago
no its not reasonable.
If its all a matter of job, there are other options (used to be a lot more of those options) than university.
University can make you a good person...but so can church and they don't charge you for going into the front door...at least the ones I've attended.
But if all your interested in a job, experience is a better use of your time. Then there are supposed to be trade schools, or if you know a guy, then be his apprentice.
StuffedAnimalAdvisor 4 months ago
@StuffedAnimalAdvisor good advice I think trade schools are the new america . You can't fly someone in from India to fix your car or leaky faucet
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1con0clast 4 months ago
Absolutely not. College prices are criminal.
chefmarcgirard 4 months ago
I went to college in the 1970's. Cost me $1200 and my dad chipped in half. That was a fair deal. The college had the power to tax and that kept tuition low. I lived with my parents and drove to school to save money also.
I think there should be a public option for college, like an extension of high school. Pay for private if you want, or pick a free degree from the public college paid for with our taxes.
tenagliac 4 months ago
@tenagliac there is a public option, it's called community college. and for the most part the degrees they offer are worthless if you are looking for a job. the only thing they are worth are getting into a larger more expensive school easier. Or you could just go to a diploma mill college, but I have worked with dozens of people who went that route and most were absolute idiots.
devicemangler 4 months ago
My highest degree is a GED, and I have worked in the tech industry for the last 10 years. I have seen dozens of kids come in fresh out of university that got paid twice as much as I did, but couldn't tell the difference between public and private IP addresses. Pretty much my options are to sacrifice my health, living space and sleep (since the wages I earn would not pay for the cost of the degree) or go into debt slavery for a considerable period of my productive life. GO USA!!!
devicemangler 4 months ago
No! The miseducational system is and will continue to be corrupt. Most Americans spend practically nothing for public school from K-12th Grade. Suddenly, they have to cough up thousands of dollars per semester for classes, not to mention the ridiculous cost of buying mostly used college books. After the fiasco of at least 4 year has ended, the undergrad student has to interview for a job to pay off the debt, or go on to graduate school for more debt! Post graduate debts can last for decades!
Lisa3679 4 months ago
I believe college is most important. i mean how are you going to say ¨do you want fries with that¨? ( operor vos volo amicus per ut?) in latin without the proper education?
mac163 4 months ago 2
@mac163 rosetta stone
VaiTomarN0Cu 4 months ago
@VaiTomarN0Cu lol
mac163 4 months ago
It's kinda funny... my parents wanted me to go to college, I didn't. Fortunately, I know what I want to do professionally and know precisely what information I need to get it.
Worldslargestipod 4 months ago
It's insanity.
BLynchCAN 4 months ago
NO ... College debt is a scam. Check out this hour long vid. youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE
rubyspirit2 4 months ago
No, because no matter how much education you get, nepotism and cronyism is still the determining factor of a person's success.
Di0genesus 4 months ago
Yeah America is shit
SmileLyubov 4 months ago
@SmileLyubov North or South America?
VaiTomarN0Cu 4 months ago
@VaiTomarN0Cu what do you think..?
SmileLyubov 4 months ago
Germans dont pay for college... its free because they dont fight oil for wars, or ask the rich to pay 15 percent on stock profits... I wanted to become a doctor but I had to drop out because My mother died my second year and I could not afford to continue... Now im racked... with debt and my credit is shot... Its no wonder Mexicans are going back to Mexico in droves.
JUDALATION 4 months ago
Nope, not working.
OldSchopenhauer 4 months ago
That is some presure!
yassau 4 months ago
Nope. This is why I didn't go to college I wanted to at one point; but due to politics and the fact that I have seen so many college graduates in debt and then having to go work at KFC because of over saturation : I decided against itAnd really it's just a piece of paper, maybe it has a PHD or an MD on it-but it's a piece of paper. Funny how we put value on it; not unlike the money, which they print out of nothing.
IronBobcat2278 4 months ago
@IronBobcat2278 I have a CH at the end of my name; but if you ask me; it's the work that counts, not the paper. A lot of great and ground-breaking hypnotists were hobbyists . There are 12 year olds, who know more about computers then some of the guys at Microsoft-so what's with all the emphasis on "higher education-you're best teacher is experience, you're best Tudor is you. You can only gain knowledge out of books, but experience is knowledge applied.
IronBobcat2278 4 months ago
@IronBobcat2278 In the 70's, college tuition fees costs about $900-nowadays they costs thousands and one could argue that this is because of all the computers and high-tech stuff; but i think a large part of it; is to get people into debt, as quickly as possible. Sounds sick, doesn't it? Create and perpetuate the debt, so generations will inherit it. You want to talk about Sins of the Fathers-think about that. Education should be fun, interesting and motivating-and what you do should bring joy
IronBobcat2278 4 months ago
NO ITS NOT WORKING lets do the math 500-600 euro per year here in belgium to become a doctor or nurse....a judge hhmm maybe 650-700. I WIN!! Oh oh oh let me say with top notch health care...smh!!! SAD
belgiumchoco1 4 months ago
I'm lucky that Universities here in Scotland are free for Scottish citizens.
The only downside is that it's extremely hard to get in, as there are hundreds of applicants per space.
bilalha123 4 months ago
@bilalha123 you will have to pay for it later
182511419139208 4 months ago
@182511419139208 No I won't. It's funded by the government. They even pay bursaries if they feel that you're entitled to them.
bilalha123 4 months ago
@bilalha123 taxes?
182511419139208 4 months ago
@182511419139208
You're right there, but I know this sounds very selfish, but the Scottish government is going to introduce fees for Universities 1 or 2 years after I leave, so although i'll have to pay taxes, they won't contribute towards university education.
bilalha123 4 months ago
"The goal of the Oligarchy is to control and profit from the creative spirit of man-- whereby only a rare few will be granted the opportunity to develop their creative and spiritual gifts"
~~cc
I was engaged to the daughter of an established family of attorneys; the word came down from the top, "There will be no artists in this family~!". Personally, I didn't think the dream of self-employed free-market creative capitalism was such a threat.
Tell you something about our system, doesn't it?
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
its not working. its a scam. it doesnt matter how smart or innovative or amitious you are. the corporations know.... they got ya.. and they will cash in.
MpowerdAPE 4 months ago
biggest way to suck the parents money marriage. at least the father of the bride. my point is marriage with young people is fraud. its only good if you can screw the government and rich corporations too. screw religion while your at it. the kids you dont birth will thank you thru karma.
cshargeit 4 months ago
No, not at all, our education system is broke, it's less about education and more about going to a 4 year resort and price reflects this. Watch my video "College Graduates: Why you are unemployed"
AlexMerced 4 months ago
It's not working. It's hard for me to believe it ever worked. I realized this after 2 years of community college, so I got out with ~$7500 in student loan debt. Sometimes you have to make hard choices (it sucks that I have to make them now with a relative lack of experience). I chose to not get married, not buy a house, not finish my degree, not buy a new car, ect. I do without these things, because I know that I can't afford them. It's hard to imagine how I ever could have. Hope I chose right.
hallavast 4 months ago
Not reasonable at all. College is make believe lala land where you get to live in luxury and party the night away. At the end, its pay back time. College is a slave factory. Student loans (which can NEVER be dismissed, even though bankruptcy) are the chains. Just skip college altogether and go straight to work and gain EXPERIENCE. No one is to blame but the ones who sign on the dotted line and enrolled in all those useless courses just to get a giant receipt(diploma) at the end of 4 years.
InformedParent 4 months ago
@InformedParent My daughter delayed community college to work in Lake Tahoe. After 4 years she was more employable than her friends who went to college. She now has better qualifications because it seems the affluent people she has worked for admire a self-made person over a spoiled rich kid (like their own family members). I was doing a project for a UC professor 6 years ago, and he advised me that she was doing the smart thing~!
"Delusions are difficult to face-- and cause acne"
~~cc
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
@carefulcarpenter Congrats dad! I'd feel the same way. Much more respect for the person whose out there working their butt off. You can sleep easy now, my friend. I'll make sure my son doesn't fall into that slave trap, either. I'm hoping to start a business soon that I can pass down to him. His edumacation will be "How to be BOSS 101" with plenty of hands on experience.
InformedParent 4 months ago
@InformedParent Know what? In regard to my son, I wanted him to at least take some college courses. Since he is a talented photographer, he did sign-on for the classes, but would just show up to present his portfolio, yet not for class. So, he quit after a couple of semesters, is running his own photo-business, and could get on fine without any more classes and no degree.
I'm glad, for him, that he got it figured out so early-- debt-FREE!
annebeck58 4 months ago
@annebeck58 I bet you are relieved. I'll make damn sure my little boy is just as wise. But also let them know college is a great place for him to find people willing to work for him for FREE(interns), lolol.
InformedParent 4 months ago
Whoa...if your parents paid 40 grand for a house in 1964, they must have been well off.
SeerSucker1981 4 months ago
This is why my own daughter is still in a community college after more than a few years. We have an excellent community college, in Austin, so she's lucky in that regard. We've discussed her finishing at UTexas, but, she does not want that debt and I don't blame her.
it's a terrible way for these kids to have to start off their lives. However, if one is in college to learn, only, staying at a Community College or Junior College may be the right thing.
annebeck58 4 months ago
College was a wonderful experience. Everyone should go and gain some independent experience after high school before they enter real life. Burdened with loans may be a bad first step as one enters life.
I learned a skilled trade after college. I found meaningful work when college grads were limited and specifically prepared for corporate or institutional work. In the long run, a person must be adaptive, and creative. College selects out creative thought in favor of conventional.
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
Challenging times require creative and practical intelligence-- the kind that college did not develop. Common sense intelligence would dissuade a person from going into debt without some reasonable prospects for long-term benefits.
"Genius creates; others imitate"
~~cc
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago 2
@carefulcarpenter Isn't that crazy, though; going to college and spending that amount of cash before starting independent life? i did six years in University system. I got a lot of scholarships and only a very few low-interest loans. I paid all off right before my 30th birthday, and bought a house a couple of months later.
I am also working in a skilled trade, and my art-school background has really helped, but I probably could have done well enough without the college- though it was fun.
annebeck58 4 months ago
@annebeck58 College was FUN!! I would suggest anyone who can afford it should go-- but it is not the path for everyone. I would love to go back for another degree-- because I love the environment.
My niece turned down a college athletic scholarship and turned pro instead. She is now a 3-time Olympian and earned 15 National Championships in skiing. How in the world could a college academic program replace her natural competitive spirit? College is mostly for unmotivated youth.
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
learning a skilled trade> Going to university
coolbeens21 4 months ago
@proteanview Adjusted for inflation, your parents "$40k" house from 1964 would be ~$292k in today's dollars.
ssstealth 4 months ago
modern america have interpreted the american dream as getting and paying off loans. and possibly getting a machinegun to "protect your family" (if you live in texas)
SandyStarchild 4 months ago
The system is self adjusting and soon only the wealthy will be able to get 'educated" the rest will make due with job training. After all- entry level executive postions are saved for executive family and friends- not for joe blow who went to school. Those real opportunities are few and far between...
brainnoise1 4 months ago
@brainnoise1 Yes, it has been a "who you know not what you know" system. I became relatively free because I listened to established people who gave me clues. College is expensive, which means that the richer one is the more likely one's children will be offered gainful opportunity. One better have a degree to prove they earned daddy's inheritance.
I turned down offers that were handed to me. A college girlfriend has never had to apply for a job, she told me.
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
Doesn't work. College is the new entry into serfdom society. With loans U R indebted to the system 4 ever. I am all 4 higher ed, for god sakes I am a college advisor, but 4 the average person to accrue that sort of debt for the college as right of passage is insane.
brainnoise1 4 months ago
The "american dream" is dead. It died a long time ago. We are nothing but wage slaves now.. I see no point in trying to buy your own home right now in america. It will only bring you more debt. I went back to college and I will be in more debt (even though I get scholarships and grants, it still isn't enough.) Now that I am in college I kinda feel like I am being ripped off and I should have just went to a trade school.. Trade schools here cost a lot also but I wouldn't be in debt for thousands
Slylady81 4 months ago
LEARN A TRADE INSTEAD!!
09NXN06 4 months ago
wow it only costs like 5 or 10k a year here in canada
kitrana 4 months ago
@kitrana really, how does the canadian college system work? do most of your graduates go on to get good jobs? are you happier? it seems that americans are miserable, support stupid republican and democrat parties that made the country go further down the drain. just asking, thanks
watersignwater 4 months ago
@watersignwater well i dont know about happier but it would seem that a fair number of our graduates go on to get good jobs
kitrana 4 months ago
@kitrana that is good to know, me and one of my friends were thinking about moving there, since the standard of living in america is going down, the economy, the violence, the increasing poverty and death of the middle class, i'm really sick and tired of living here
watersignwater 4 months ago
Not at odd at all. I have About £9000 worth of student debt and my degree hasn't helped me get a job at all.
In fact looking at my Facebook friends the successful ones are those who were clever enough not to go to university or in so many cases brave enough to stand up to facist parents and say "fuck no"
DarthAzabrush 4 months ago 9
In such system people actually only become free when they die.
When they die, only then they are free from all the debt, credits, motgages ... up until then they work their asses off to pay to the banks they loaned from, banks who actually own every item the have.
Of course this can't go on forever.
I'm debt free, thank God. All that I do and buy is from my personal accumulation. My grandfather built a house with NO loans, and he owned it then. So did my great-grandfather. Today? Dont think so
oporim 4 months ago
It's the corporate and governments best wet dream. If you are in debt, you have to work, working people pay more taxes and have less time to observe their world and complain about it. So they can rob you blind until you die, and you have no say in it. :)
rednecktrucker1969 4 months ago
Anyone else watch the commercial at the begining about the teacher winning 1 million dollars for playing 2k11?
tghetto5 4 months ago
Welcome to the fascist states of amerika. And the only way to get a good credit score, which is what determines if they will even sell you a house, is to put yourself into a ton of debt and pay it all off quickly. Fuck this country. Capitalism is a failure. I've already contacted a couple foreign embassies about expatriation. If a republican gets elected president and if our current moron in chief keeps bending over for them, I'm leaving this piece of shit country and going to medschool.
bamboo4tameshigiri 4 months ago
It's reasonable if you can make 100k out of school, which some people can. Does she have a BS or masters? The system is wack thanks to government intervention.
mattschol 4 months ago
Absolutely not! This is why I didn't finish at a university. Once the scholarship money ran out, and I realized what kind of debt I was facing, the education didn't seem like such a good investment. I was already making decent money, essentially the same as people I knew who were college graduates paying their loans. I later spent $1300 getting a certification, and I've had some professional licenses.
anastasia81472 4 months ago
Good point. Put why did you cut your locks?!
meshyis 4 months ago
when you only need to pay back 70 pounds a week I think it is still worth it
Tommy4216 4 months ago
Check out Peter Schiff. He explains why it cost so much to go to college & the problem lies in government loans.
How government programs drive up college tuitions
watch?v=AIcfMMVcYZg
VexZeed 4 months ago
Hell No, it's not working. The entire system is a complete failure economically, politically, and socially. Just watch how the masses stampede Wal-Marts, Targets, and Best Buys this Black Friday, risking their irrational-consumerist lives for superfluous bullshit.
WakeUpWorldTV 4 months ago 21
Well, what else are we supposed to do, when so many of the well-paying jobs require the social mobility that comes with education? Blame the universities that charge this amount, not the students who "suck their parents dry" or the parents who agree to be sucked dry because they want their children to "do well" in life.
GataAgressiva411 4 months ago
The amount of young people that come out of university in the UK cant even get a job today.Lets face it guys you are fucked before your even start your life
scottishbadboytracks 4 months ago
Of course its not working, at least not to the students benefit. Balooning costs the result of every instance where the government interferes in the private market though. Same thing with healthcare costs. Debt is slavery and the days of only needing one person working in a household, or leaving college with no debt are long gone.
uwmbigb 4 months ago
@uwmbigb
"Free markets" have designed USA to suck plebs dry. Funny thing is, plebs blame the only thing that can keep "free markets" in check. Must be because media is owned by "free markets".
shihouka 4 months ago
@shihouka define "free markets" epic fail in 3.... 2.... 1....
Sivels 4 months ago
@Sivels correct, free markets are an epic fail
RadicalSyndicate 4 months ago
@RadicalSyndicate yes, of course, for people like you who desire mankind to be return to the stone age and digging in the dirt with our bare hands-
Sivels 4 months ago
@Sivels
Stone age people from Europe seem to be doing well in their caves.
shihouka 4 months ago
@Sivels socialism is an advanced scientific theory, capitalism is a happenstance post-feudal accident born of the same minds who gave us racism and colonial politics
RadicalSyndicate 4 months ago
@RadicalSyndicate Socialism doesn't work. I''ve been there. Wake up.
oporim 4 months ago
@oporim USA has socialism. But the problem is that most of it goes all the way to the already rich. And it doesn't trickle down. The middle-class works harder than before, but they have no moved on inch forward in three decades. And Americans barely have vacations. I think Carlin was right "they own you".
Scandinavian countries btw do very well in life quality studies.
Hirnlego999 4 months ago
@RadicalSyndicate You mean the farming collectives that society operated during the dark ages where people were prohibited from leaving their village and all of fruits of their labor were confiscated by their rulers weren't socialism/communism?
socialism is an advanced justification for government slavery. Go choke on a dick bitch.
Sivels 4 months ago
@Sivels
The biggest breakthrough of our time is the "free media". It manages to convince people with 3x less vacation time to think they are not slaves. Those folk in socialist Europe have it really bad.
shihouka 4 months ago
@Sivels yes you insufferable fucking idiot absolute rule by a property owner is what wokrer self management means lmao
RadicalSyndicate 4 months ago
@shihouka There is no free market in USA. There's oligarchy, cartels, monopolies ...
If there actually were free market, small and medium businesses would flourish, people would be rich and would buy good stuff for reasonable price.
The lack of free market is what drove you into a position where you start your lives in debt. State needs to define a minimal set of regulations that keep everyone in fair relationships. Over regulation is bad. Under regulation too.
oporim 4 months ago
@oporim
Government is just a subject of "free markets". Money votes, not poor plebs.
System based on greed has very predictable outcome. You even identified that outcome, albeit without connecting it to the source.
shihouka 4 months ago
@shihouka Media is not owned by free markets - media airwaves and radio broadcast wavelengths, are again regulated by government licensing smart ass. Not anybody can get a loan and put a satellite in space, it requires extensive govt regulation and licensing and authorization, since only the wealthiest can comply it keeps free market competition away. Lol sounds like you dont know what the fuck you're talking about pleb...
uwmbigb 4 months ago
@uwmbigb
Thus, we have "free market". This is why plebs need to be told what to think by the "free media". They cant comprehend if it is not spelled out using large font.
shihouka 4 months ago
@shihouka You obviously dont have a single legitimate argument against free markets regulating themselves and have just convinced yourself with no evidence that they dont work. Weve not had a free market in decades, if ever truly at all, so i wouldn't cite US failures as a case against it trololol
uwmbigb 4 months ago
@uwmbigb
"Free market" regulating itself is what we have in the USA. I remember soviets dieing under the same crushing debt.
shihouka 4 months ago
@shihouka You dont have free markets here in the US currently, did you even read my first post detailing an ex of this? We arguably have never had truly free markets and the fact you think we have one in 2011 is proof positive your indoctrination is beyond deprogramming.
uwmbigb 4 months ago
@uwmbigb
"Free market" in USA just reached its logical conclusion. Happens all the time in greed based economics.
You are going through the same denial phase Marxists went through. Just replace "free markets" with "communism" in your attempts to deny reality.
shihouka 4 months ago
@shihouka Right here is where you fail. You think this is the result of free market capitalism when youve never had it to begin with. LOL you are in denial bro - youve had govt deals, no bid contracts, licenses galore and no free market competition - thats NOT free markets. That is the result of years of crony capitalism and govt sponsored monopolies. Free markets would dismantle every controlling interest w/competition almost overnight. Youre just indoctrinated to think capitalism=bad lolol
uwmbigb 4 months ago
@uwmbigb
When soviets failed, I remember Marxist whines that real communism was never implemented. "Free marketeers" from USA sound so much like them.
shihouka 4 months ago
@shihouka you never had free markets, just crony capitalism
dogatron 4 months ago
@dogatron Strawman. Free-markets don't exist in nature, and they don't exist outside of massive state intervention in the economy (rules, regulations, etc, that stop people from doing what they want, ie making monopolies). It's based on a flawed sense of thinking: the greed of others will help everyone in general. no, the only thing it does is allow those with teh power and resources to continue getting fat off of everyone else (See: 1%). Capitalism is broken without compassion.
NwZ2 3 months ago
@dogatron
Marxists said same thing about communism. I laughed at them the same way i laugh at "free marketeers".
shihouka 3 months ago
@kingsidorak That's not saying a lot....
WHIREAS 4 months ago
They need to overhaul the education system in the US and the western world.
jabmalassie 4 months ago
The system has failed.
Napalm66 4 months ago
Not twenty two years old, more like twenty four years old. After all, the average college student now completes college in 6 years, not 4 years.
Pentazoid111 4 months ago
Reserved for serious comments.
jabmalassie 4 months ago