For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
"The christian religion is a parody of the worship of the sun, in which the put a man called Christ(Christos which means the anointed one) in the place of the sun, and pay him adoration originally payed to the sun"
This guy sounds like more of a smug jackass than I thought he would. His silly arguments are based upon category mistakes and weak analogies. His tone is pompous and completely out of touch.
@anonazero 1st You exclaim that he does not provide any evidence for his lack of belief... yet you have NO PROOF a celestial dictator in the sky exists or doesn't exist? and if he/she/it does or doesn't exist why cant it be questioned?
2nd he compared his analogy to the earth being flat because now TECHNOLOGY not religion allows us to see this, if not you'd believe what a fairy-tale told you.
3rd Racism/Homophobia/Women rights/Elderly are A-LOT better
2. you do know God is real, i don't need to prove a thing. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1:21
3. they knew the earth was a sphere thousands of years ago.
4. we have plenty of evidence that God is real and His name is Jesus.
@anonazero i.The definition of PROOF: Evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
ii.typical christian for stating that you only believe "god" is real cuz the bible tells you so. what if YOUR WRONG? what if Zeus and Apollo where the right gods?
you can't disprove it? If fact without quoting alittle bible verse, try to disprove them.
because it will be just as hard as trying to prove your western deity "jesus"
@erikAsuxxxweewee 1. good, so according to that standard i have proof. the fact that you don't recognize it just isn't my problem.
2. if i'm wrong then A. i have a powerful imagination and am the most lucky individual ever to have lived, oh, and every christian i've ever met falls into that column. B. then you have to explain away the mountain of evidence and C. there is no hope for man because a God had to have created us, something doesn't come from nothing.
@erikAsuxxxweewee zeus and apollo have zero historical documentation and more conflicting stories than you can imagine. there is no truth there, it all falls apart. secondly, there isn't a collection of historical documents composed by eye witnesses in the lifetimes of other eyewitnesses translated into multiple languages with tens of thousands of manuscripts to support the greek myths.
@erikAsuxxxweewee you're parroting bad information that has been parroted by other sources like the zeitgeist video (and absolutely refuted by actual historical documentation, not that you'd care about that part).
first off, crucifixion didn't exist in 3000BC aaaand pretty much everything else you just said was completely incorrect. ya know, cause you're just repeating bad information you heard from some crappy youtube video.
@anonazero Mithra of persia 1200 b.c- born of a virgin, born on december 25th, 12 disciples, performed miracles, dead for 3 days. resurrected, sunday worship
and many many more,
jesus the latest mythlogical god- born of a virgin mary december 25th, star in the east, 12 disciples, performed miracles, dead for 3 days, resurrected,
not one historian of the alleged time of your myth god existence documented any of that in Bethlehem
@anonazero Josephs and tasitus defenders of your faith, have claimed to write about his time here, but that source has been proclaimed as a forgery for years, isn't it ironic you just towards calling me ignorant just because i don't subscribe to your particular faith, im sure thats what every society would love to indoctrinate and tell there children, about how there is an eternal infernal or an afterlife with 72 virgins, wake-up! religion is mind manipulation! Brainwash!
@anonazero and furthermore you'd think i guy that rose from the dead and ascended into heaven would be in scientific historical text and not in hundreds of different types manuscripts and languages would make it into the history books in every public school because there are very high odds that the figure known as jesus never existed.
@erikAsuxxxweewee as i just pointed out... He is. the bible is a reliable collection of historical documents composed by eye witnesses in the lifetime of other eyewitnesses attesting to supernatural events claiming to be written by different men over hundreds of years yet authored/inspired by God Himself.
and by the way, the closest ancient historical document doesn't come within MILES of the documentary support that the bible has.
@erikAsuxxxweewee actually its josephus and he was a jewish historian. are you seriously this bad at history? the jews hated Christ... the fact that josephus wrote about His miracles just stands as evidence to not only support Christ's existence but the reality of His miracles. in case you're not keeping up josephus was in the group that had every reason in the world to disavow any knowledge of Christ... and yet they wrote about Him... and His miracles... as historical fact.
@erikAsuxxxweewee secondly its "tacitus" (if you were familiar with the roman/greek culture or historical fact in general you'd have known that) and he was a roman historian who ALSO had every reason to discredit Christ but... didn't. he wrote about Jesus as historical FACT.
this is what i mean. you just don't have a good understanding of history, obviously.
I actually think, even with the stammering, he's a brilliant speaker. He is much more composed and reasonable than quite a few other commentators. Besides, what does your public speaking skill have to do with your capabilities as a neuroscientist? As if a certain speech pattern or level of introversion reflects on that at all. Quite foolish.
go figure! another self-indulged jew spouting off against republicans and Christianity!
incidentally, how happy does the phobic sam harris look?
is this the guy who gets referred to as a neuroscientist? he's stammerin' around constantly in this video and all he's addessing are social issues.......tehe! can't imagine what he'd do around a neuroscience lab!
@clericbop "notice how awkward and empty his defining of "happiness" becomes in the later half of the video?"
I have not noticed this. Perhaps you could elaborate by providing an example to justify your claim? Otherwise, you're just making empty, evidence-less claims.
@blaisingm what's funny is you say "I have not noticed this" well cleribop does(and I do) it's just our perception of him..which i why i don't understand atheist..people see the world differently..you are stuck in that "evidence" atheist rhetoric..it's an opinion based on mannerism..that's it..i can't know if Sam Harris is happy or not only he knows that but based on his mannerism and obsession with religion I would say no
@ubermisogynist " "I have not noticed this" well cleribop does(and I do) "
And I NEVER disagreed with you. HOWEVER, if you're going to claim something is true, strengthen your claim with some kind of evidence. Otherwise, you're just making stuff up and or lying. Neither pretending nor lying is noble or moral. BUT, if you can justify yourself, your words will have actual meaning and value. Yours do NOT if you can't justify your claims. This is reality... this is how the world works.
I've watched several of Harris's talks and debates and have noticed a weak trend over and over...he tries to take on the question of purpose that atheist philosophers have struggled with for a couple centuries. Harris falls flat on his face each time because his pseudo-philosophy scientism is amateurish. perhaps if he went back and studied some more of his predessesors from the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries he could do a better job with these fundamental questions. he is entertaining tho'
the only thing Harris will get out of forcing his views on others is Forever Alone..annoying people won't make them not be religious..it will just annoy them and make you hated.. in a recent study showed that Atheist are as trusted as rapist..think about that Atheists..as trusted as RAPIST
@ubermisogynist "in a recent study showed that Atheist are as trusted as rapist..think about that Atheists..as trusted as RAPIST"
First, I'd be interested in the source of this study. Could you provide a link to this "study"?
Harris doesn't force his views on anyone! What strategies does Harris use to force your acceptance? Does he threaten you with eternal torture for not believing or agreeing with him? OOOPS! That's christianity; sorry... what does Harris do to "force" you?
I think the right wing politicians who say they dont believe in evolution , are just pandering to get the votes of the ignorant . It's scary. In this day and age, so many believe a book of fairy tales written by some goat hearders thousands of yrs ago.
Exactly what is this 'sin' that Christians seem to think every human on this planet is guilty of and how would belief in the unreal in any way make this sin just go away?
Hmm...why would you want to "apply pressure to people's religious beliefs" to begin with? Just because JFK was Catholic...he wasn't a great leader for our country? There's no one with a gun to your head saying "believe in this or else". Oh wait, yes there are ...radical Muslims. "Applying pressure" through intellectual conversation rarely changes anyone's minds. But if they want to kill you, it's probably better to kill them first.
Round and round theists go. The same nonsense of "are you a sinner"? Yes. I have worked on a Sunday. I have lied just like you. I have looked at a woman with lust like you. I do not lie to myself. I will not let your foolish judgement weigh on me. I will not burn in Hell because that is the most foolish concept someone could think of. Judge yourself, not me. Wave your holy book at someone else hypocrite.
I don't debate Christians for the same reason I don't debate someone who thinks the Moon is made of cheese. The existence of God is unsuitable for debate. It is preposterous in this day and age of science, reason and technology. Believers lack the standing to debate among reasonable people. It is degrading to Atheists. I don't have to prove that something doesn't exist. I refuse to hold on to a Bronze age security blanket and deny myself the rewards of progression.
@paramattic70 "I don't debate Christians for the same reason I don't debate someone who thinks the Moon is made of cheese." "preposterous in this day"
Excellent point, but it is the 2nd quote above that is sufficient reason for me to debate with religious people. I find it absolutely fascinating that people cling to bronze age mythology. I want to know why. So, I debate. And, I've learned a tremendous amount. For instance, you will notice certain behaviors common among religious people.
@paramattic70 "The existence of God is unsuitable for debate."
For example, most religious people will defend their religious beliefs, but they share a common threshold that when breached, they immediately retreat and abandon the debate. The threshold that causes retreat is a request to answer simple logic questions. Look below for a typical example. I was arguing with 'Eric0873'. Construct a set of logic questions based on their religiously inspired reasoning = immediate retreat.
Harris wastes inordinate amounts of time with his crusade against religion. He should spend his time addressing the brutality & censorship in Communist China & North Korea instead of waging war on us.
@blaisingm Did you not see what I posted below? Stop clowning around & get to work! w w w tokseminars org along with the book on neurology I recommended earlier.
Oh dear its an ultimatum. Ok so you humorless fanatics want evidence. Here is evidence. The 12 neurotypes that Harris has never mentioned. Possibly he has glanced them over in passing while at school but completey missed their extreme significance. Go to Amazon and type;
"Your personality and how to live with it". Read this book & then get back to me for further instruction. You are now my students so stop slacking off & get to work!
@ZEDSTODT2 "The 12 neurotypes that Harris has never mentioned. Possibly he has glanced them over in passing while at school but completey missed their extreme significance. Go to Amazon and type;
"Your personality and how to live with it""
Oopps! I guess you did offer evidence. Shame on me for not reading further. How is this evidence (please explain the significance)?
The funny thing about all the New Atheists, is that they "really, really believe", all of this is "so important." If they are right, nothing matters in the long run anyway. They sound strangely like the religionists they decry in their zealotry. The Religion of New Atheism. I say, shut the fuck up.
@bill4long True. Also check out Fakesagans video on the "Atheist Majority" fallacy. Its a riot! Type this into the search box; "I will not submit (to pussy atheists)"
@bill4long "If they [atheists] are right, nothing matters in the long run anyway." - bill4long
I would say that you're making the mistake of comparing two rulers for measurement: the theist's ruler for "the long run" (eternity), and the atheist's ruler for "the long run" (existence of conscious life). If my positive actions leave positive impact on those living after me, that is MY "long run." You are cheapening the long run we KNOW we have, by comparing it to one you HOPE you'll have...
@bill4long "You're mistaking me for someone else." - bill4long
"The funny thing about all the New Atheists, is that they "really, really believe", all of this is "so important." If they are right, nothing matters in the long run anyway. They sound strangely like the religionists they decry in their zealotry. The Religion of New Atheism. I say, shut the fuck up." - bill4long
No, I'm not. My rebuttal was toward the second quote from you above, which I excerpted.
Wow. This is dangerous. People who don't think the same should be penalized? It's been done before. Anybody who knows history knows that atheist have done this before. The USSR and China. This is thought police. It's Marxism under the banner of Liberalism hiding behind science while destroying it.
Look up "communist propaganda". It's the same atheist b.s. being used today. Atheism is dangerous, 200 million dead dangerous. The worst part about it, they deny it.
@813CR "People who don't think the same should be penalized? It's been done before. Anybody who knows history knows that atheist have done this before."
Sam Harris is advocating civil public discourse and the exchange of ideas, not "forcing" beliefs. Atrocities committed by atheists (who have no doctrine) can no more discredit atheism than fringe members of P.E.T.A. using violence as a means of conflict resolution against furriers, factory farms, and labs can ethically "discredit" veganism...
When one chooses a faith, they had BETTER choose the "correct" one as ALL these competing scriptures will send the "others" to HELL-That's another reason why I stick with atheism, because of the TRIBAL nature of human behavior.The "Us against THEM" nature we ALL display in all aspects & ALL levels of life itself. The irony of religion is the TRIBAL BEHAVIOR directly behind it. NOT ONE religion offers a universal answer as they all compete, which PROVES we evolved anyway.The IRONY of it ALL !!
Thats fine.... im atheist but i agree with you there mate.... if your religion causes you (as in you personally and not humanity in general) to behave rationally, gives you morals to live by and makes you a kind, understanding person.....then dont dismiss your beliefs
if your religion causes you to be a close minded judgemental youtube troller, then you need to stop watching videos similar to this one and leave youtube alone
@Catapultandclingfilm Apparently you oppose dissent. I'll leave Harris alone when he ends his relentless smear campaign against religion. Also does he need you to defend him or do you have a dog in this fight as well?
I have no problem with religious people when they behave like people...
I certainly have a problem with religious people when they behave like divine beings that invoke their God and try to condemn me to something i dont believe in.
If it makes someone behave rationally, carry on...if they become violent, immoral and sinister due to their unacceptance of other beliefs, then they can fuck off to the hell they have created for themselves.
@MewCat100 Uh huh. Suuuuure he is. He also claims that he can prove that God is a myth. Ive got a bridge in San Francisco mad of gold for sale too. Duh. Get real.
@MewCat100 Oh dear someone here on boobtube comments section casting sewage as usual, just like Harris does. Would you like ketchup with that mouthful?
@greenarcher180 The only thing I envy about Harris will be his fat bank account after you ignorant dupes fatten it. Go back to mud wrestling with the piggies.
@ZEDSTODT2 "The only thing I envy about Harris will be his fat bank account after you ignorant dupes fatten it. Go back to mud wrestling with the piggies." - ZEDSTODT2
"I always consider it a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem." - Christopher Hitchens
@ZEDSTODT2 I Oh, so it's an issue with his success at spreading facts. And please crawl back under that theistic rock you prefer to hide under via continued childhood indoctrination and lack of rational thought. Better to wrestle with the truth than try to refute it via envy and ignorance.
@greenarcher180 Oh please you Exalted Aristocrats of wisdom please if you would be so kind to impart your all-knowing erudite Illuminism upon my humbled brow. Im trapped under my Theistic boulder rolling in the mud with the crabs, roly-poly sowbugs & earwigs with only my cud to chew! My envy has turned to madness!! Oh woe is meeeee!!
@ZEDSTODT2 Again, you provide no substance, just the pointless name calling of a frightened and cornered theist terrified that your beliefs may be challenged and that your logic is not as rigorous as you wish it was. When you grow up, come back and try to compete with Harris. Until then, you are just a coward hiding in the dark.
@MewCat100 Bwahahaha more of your phony spin & science fiction blather again. I have no fear of you or Harris at all. You can deny Gods existence all you want but when you start passing laws that force Christian, Jews & Moslems to allow homosexual marriage in our churches & synagogues then you cross the line. We wont be allowing that no matter how much of your stunted logic cries. Go change your diapers babycakes.
@ZEDSTODT2 When did I ever say you had to allow homosexual marriage in your place of worship? Didn't take you long to get off topic there did it? You seem like a troll.
When you have evidence that your invisible friend in the sky is real, come on back and we'll listen. Until then, you are just the typical ignorant religious bigot, so consumed with yourself that you do not care about anyone or anything else.
@MewCat100 You have no respect for free thought. You didnt have to mention it. Its been in the news for several days now. You seem like an ogre. I dont believe that you would care if I did show you evidence. You have a vendetta against religion in general & Christianity in particular from the sound of it. Oh dear more crocodile tears from an ogre who loves to cast those smears but cant face their own corruption. Hypocrit. Anti-Christians murdered millions us but U couldnt give a shit.
@ZEDSTODT2 If you have evidence, show it. Don't sit there and talk around it and poison the well (favorite theist tactic) so that any response I give will be misconstrued as proving your point. Either put up or shut up jackass. Once again, you post complete and utter nonsense and think that reasonable people will consider you intelligent. I have news for you, you're a moron. Either demonstrate your alleged evidence or stop talking about around it coward.
@MewCat100 Gosh if I could actually wade through the oceans of pathological, sadistic invective you so devotedly specialize in then maybe we could try to objectively determine if the wisdom of the ancients might be on to something. But its hard to reason logically with fanatic, despotic dictators whove already defined their exclusive agenda. Maybe start with an attitude adjustment.
@ZEDSTODT2 Yes, I can see how my unreasonable demands for EVIDENCE would be considered pathological invective and dictatorial in nature. Dictators are always demanding evidence and never wantonly doing anything they please.
You are nothing but talk. You have no game. You haven't brought a shred of evidence to the table for once simple reason....you can't find any. Just keep trying to mask your ineptitude in rhetoric, I'm sure no one will notice how pathetic you are.
@MewCat100 "No cape, no cane, no cuffs, just game". Dictators? I wouldnt know exactly that which leads you to monolithic blindness. I have volumes of evidence such as the Old & New Testaments, Ancient Aliens, Scientific American, Electronic Music & Neurology. My ineptitude in rhetoric will only reveal your pathetic embarrassment when exposed as the wounded child you so desperately wish to eradicate. Through time & patience you can overcome your pain. I would love to try to help you.
@ZEDSTODT2 Last chance. Show your evidence or be branded a liar and idiot henceforth. If you do not produce the evidence you claim to have then communication will cease. You are just wasting time and space.
@ZEDSTODT2 This response isn't even a reply to anything I have said. It is a complete nonsequitor. You are either immensely stupid or trying to build a straw man. Either way, you are an idiot.
@MewCat10 Of course it isnt. Why am I going to debate fanatics who dont give a rats ass about any facts here in this tiny crawlspace on boobtube? Its about as futile as Monty Pythons buy an argument sketch. "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is". Either way your still an immensely crude ogre. Maybe one day youll graduate to that of a mere troll.
@ZEDSTODT2 If you aren't going to debate on this "tiny crawlspace on boobtube," then why are you here debating? What you say and what you do don't jive. This is not unexpected given the extreme duality that theists are forced to live with on a daily basis.
@ZEDSTODT2 Nice contradiction, kid. But you're too busy trying to impress yourself. The duality is a result of being off the Ritalin or Lithium or Thorazine.
@ZEDSTODT2 "w w w tokseminars org along with the book on neurology I recommended earlier."
Right, thanks for the additional material. Now, how is this evidence (please explain the significance)? What specific evidence allows one to draw your conclusion?
@ZEDSTODT2 Don't know the facts regarding the Gospels and you cling to them. Study the history and analysis and then belief in such is no longer excusable. Get educated, not deluded.
@green180 Yes sir may i have another. For you Oh Great Pharoah have proven that we dont exist & that our lives are mere illusions resulting from temporary chemical synthesis that simply expires into the void, never to return again.....you have proven it right?....I mean...we really dont exist right?....This life of atrocity & brutality.....its only an illusion right?? You have the proof you said...we dont really exist do we??? Please someone tell me that we dont actually...noooo
But if for any reason I failed to agree or see it, yes I could still try to test it somehow and come up with good evidence perhaps, but if you preassure me to accept it, that´s just dogma, not science. Also Harri´s comparison of religious dogma to racism is somewhat falacious. I think it is quite healthy to be critical,and even to fight back , but let´s be carefull not to go from one extreme to the other.
I like Harris as a smart guy with interesting ideas, but some of them strike as dangerous. Putting preassure into people that do not believe say in evolution, seems to me leads to making science a dogma.I mean I agree with the evolution theories but i personally haven´t tested it, someone will say that I can see it day by day somewhere, I don´t see it, but im confortable with it, if that what the scientist amout to at this point in time, I guess that´s what scientist know so far, ok by me.
@am101171 "Putting preassure into people that do not believe say in evolution, seems to me leads to making science a dogma."
There's a huge partisan discrepancy between both parties, because each consider themselves "educating," and the other side "indoctrinating." It frustrates scientists to have their educational practices encroached on by believers who will accept almost all scientific theories, but who refuse a few of them solely on account of their being incompatible with Scripture.
@TheHigherVoltage All of you pseudo-intellectuals worship this arrogant Marxist clown who claims to have "proven" God is only a myth and that only materialism is valid for explaining reality. Harris is a fraud & you have all bought into his greedy scam. Dunces.
@ZEDSTODT2 (1) 'worship' is for the spineless and delusional. (2) Calling Harris a marxist doesn't make him one. (3) proving the God(s) of religions to be bullshit is easy. And that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not real God(s) exist. (4) Time and time again, supernatural explanations have turned out to be bullshit, as we figure out the natural world. (5) Frauds require faith. (6) I've yet to hear of a scam bigger than religions who play their own God.
@TheHigherVoltage 2- On his website he makes "gay rights" & wealth transfer one of his cornerstones. 3- The Gospel of Christ is not bullshit. Teaching people to love each other is unassailable. 4- Imaginary Numbers that determine the physics of black holes along with Membrane Theory seems "supernatural" whatever that really means. 5- Atheism taken to the political level that Harris stumps for is inherently fraudulent. Ive yet to see a greater scam than Marxism.
@ZEDSTODT2 2 - As far as I can read, Marx was against gays. Wealth transfer, ya probably. Anyone with a brain is against destroying the middle class. 3 - yes, the gospels are bullshit. Telling people to love each other is great, but that's not what the bible promotes. "Love your neighbor as yourself" sounds great until the "you must hate your father, mother even yourself" contradiction and the "you were born evil, wretched and unworthy" self-hatred parts.
@TheLowerRevoltage 2- Marxism is about class warfare so the gay agenda fits in with that completely. The NeoMarxist agenda today is exactly about impoverishing everyone by subverting the middle class & render most dependency upon the state. This includes abolishing religion as your Communist allies did in China, North Korea & elsewhere. 3- Cherry picking concepts & running them together to imply contradictions is disingenuous. Those scriptures describe ideas regarding Truth.
@ZEDSTODT2 In a 30 second search, I found out that none of the five existing communist states recognize same-sex marriages, civil unions, or registered partnerships.
"This includes abolishing religion as your Communist allies did in China, North Korea..." once again, a 30 second search proves this is a lie.
@TheLowerRevoltage Homosexual agendas such as "gay marriage" or "feminsim" are reserved for the West because they are considered destabilizing & the Reds want to gain revenge for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Communist regimes are behind this agenda in order to wage war on religions & convert the West to NeoMarxism. I dont know if youre a Marxist or not but youve allied to their cause so you might as well be. Im not a troll but I suspect youre a lying ogre.
@ZEDSTODT2 So...communists are behind progressing human rights in the west? Were they also behind equal rights for blacks, asians and women too? How about abolition? I'm sure that was a commie thing too, right?
I gotta ask : who do you listen to, to get so fucked up? Alex Jones? Your Church? Conspiracy websites? FOX? They teach this crap in your school? All of the above?
@ZEDSTODT2 "Homosexual agendas such as "gay marriage" or "feminsim" are reserved for the West because they are considered destabilizing"
How does gay marriage and women's rights destabilize? How did they end trade protections that keep jobs in the west?
Tell me, how does basic rights for the people you hate contribute to the 15 trillion dollar debt in the US? How do gays and fems personally ruin your little world?
@ZEDSTODT2 (CONT) 4 - magnetism and electricity seems 'supernatural' without understanding the actual mechanics of it as well. Reality is stranger than fiction - that doesn't mean anything is supernatural. 5 - If you haven't seen a bigger scam than Marxism, you should research more. Scientology, Islam, Christianity, Fascism, Monarchies and Theocracies politics are just a few scams that are just as big, if not bigger.
@TheLowRevoltage 4-We dont know yet why the laws of physics works. Its too early to tell & the fact that reality is stranger than fiction implies that EVERYTHING might be supernatural (whatever that really means as I stated before). 5- Marxism spawned Fascism so apparently you lack the research here, not I. The US has become a prime example of a Marxist experiment in motion. The Federal Reserve, Social Security & Graduated Income Tax are straight out of the Communist Manifesto
@ZEDSTODT2 I don't see Harris calling for Atheist politics. I've only heard him call for the defense of secular politics (First Amendment) and calls against Theocracies.
Anyone that claims to be in contact with/guided by/doing the work of a God, is a delusional (or simply lying to the gullible) - be it Islamic, Christian or whatever.
A fundy Christian with the nuke codes is as dangerous as a fundy Muslim with the nuke codes.
@TheLowerRevoltage Oh suuure Harris is just innocuously musing to himself no doubt. He merely spends every waking hour of his life attacking religion to pass his volumes of spare time because its only a whim? Obviously hes on a mission for The Party. A fundy Marxist is the most dangerous fanatic of all with or without nukes. Too bad the Reds didnt actually give up after the end of the Soviet Union. Hence the fanaticism of the twisted radical left. Only Red ideologues push this.
Sam Harris is just so high on himself. Why do so many people not get it? There are different "realms" of human thought and emotion, and one of those is the holy or spiritual. Another is music and art. How can science inform that potter exactly how to shape & decorate that vase? The analogy btwn Elvis belivers and god belivers is dishonest - maybe we should ask why people make dishonest analogies? I'm an engineer - analogies must be and can be fairly accurate & useful, but dishonest? Puh-leaze.
@rh001YT Art is a concept that our minds has made up. Mind dependants can not be measured by science and since art is such an abstract concept it can't really be measured by our minds either. Art will die with the last person who recognizes the concept.
If you compare the spiritual and the holy to art you are essentially saying that humans made it up.
I would agree with that, but i doubt believers will.
@marcus8374 Hi, thanks for the response, but I must disagree: Art is not a concept. Concept is like "round", it names a set. The attributes of art can't be defined thoroughly enough to allow art to be a set. Further, there is no set of stone tablets inscribed by the hand of some god which declare words to be sufficient for describing & explaining everything. So while one might twist up a contorted definition for "art", it would be impossible to ground it, and most would see the bias in it.
@marcus8374 I think you are under 30 because you don't exhibit accurate use of language. "humans made it up"...that is so vague. Every sensation & concept & intention you have is "made up", you have no way of knowing pure knowledge or truth, nor can you know the rock in your hand, your image of it being "made up" by your mind/brain. But you can know value, for instance, that you can pound grain with that rock. Value is what matters to sane, normal people.
@marcus8374 "Mind dependants"....how would you know one if one fell on you? If it can't be "measured" then surely it is like a dogmatic claim. And as you are so sure they can't be measured, then likely you won't try. But how can you be so sure, without a measure? Maybe there is a way to measure such. Can you see that you are not free of dogmas? Can you see that you are an ego battling dogmas with other egos? Can you remember how you got that way? Who did what to you? Can you undo that?
This is kind of apples and oranges. the shape of the earth is a relatively easy thing to demonstrate these days, far easier than when, say Aristotle demonstrated it. The living status of Elvis is also easy to demonstrate, and the case against a living Elvis is pretty easy to understand. Evolution, and the evidence supporting it is very difficult to explain, and difficult to understand. At least, more difficult than those other two things (con't)
@standinstann I have no doubt that these people have no desire to go out and actually look at the data, but that doesn't change the fact that Darwinian evolution is not "obvious" as the shape of the earth and the death of Elvis is. the latter is categorically different from the other two.
(cont.) I understand that most religious people have the same problem, but there are those who actually do walk their talk of their faith in God. (speaking in terms of Christianity)
@Eric0873 What is the "Atheist walk", exactly? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in God. Where Christians go to church, Atheists do not. Where Christians pray every night before bed, Atheists do not. Where Christians encourage their children to put faith in Jesus, Atheists do not.
Atheists live as if there is no God in the same ways that Christians live as if there IS one.
Then again, I've never heard of a true Atheist secretly praying, but I've heard of plenty of Christians who secretly
@SeedsOfHatred I would agree that there are plenty of professing Christians not living out their worldviews at all which would make them most likely false converts. Saying you believe in God doesn't make anyone a Christian at all.Right, your continual sexual activity with your ex proved she wasn't saved to begin with which made her profession of faith meaningless.
Atheists, however, do not live out their profession of their "lack of faith". Especially ones in foxholes! Atheism is inconsistent.
@Eric0873 Again, I ask, how so? Citing people in foxholes (I assume you mean men so overcome with fear that they cry out to God to save them) does nothing to prove that Atheism is inconsistent. That's probably the worst example you could have come up with. Desperation and severe emotional trauma will break anyone of anything - it's not a particularly Atheist issue. It's psychological.
With that being the case, how is Atheism - as a whole - inconsistent? In what way(s)?
@SeedsOfHatred Your "lack of belief" in God is inconsistent of what you actually believe (IMO). You know there's a God, you just don't want there to be a God thus you suppress that truth in your unrighteous living. I'm pretty sure you have no desire to die, yet that's clearly what the atheistic worldview is all about, death. Yet you have a will to live right? Atheism ridicules Christians for faith, yet Atheism requires more faith for its worldview. Would God's existence be so bad?
@Eric0873 Everything you have said speaks to a profound misunderstanding of what the term atheists means and how people who identify themselves as atheists intend for the term to be used. This may be what you THINK it means, but this is not what it means to an actual atheist. The rest of your post is just malarkey. When you can provide some reasonable evidence for the existence of your god, reasonable people will accept it. Until then, only the superstitious will believe.
@MewCat100 Since you have the atheistic worldview pegged, would you be willing to comment on your understanding of biblical Christianity? Maybe then we can discuss where the misunderstanding is.
This could not be further from the truth. Atheism is specifically NOT a belief in God.
And yes, we have a will to live just like anyone else, but that is perfectly explained through darwinian means. That has nothing to do with God. So no, Atheism has nothing to do with "death".
Please forgive me for having to be blunt, but I'm begining to think you're just an idiot. In which case, I'm not sure why I'm bothering to reply.
@SeedsOfHatred You're bothering to reply b/c you just want to show how smart you are regarding any atheistic worldview and how dumb I appear to be to make yourself feel better about your worldview. And btw, I didn't say you believed in God I said you KNOW God exists. Your conscience affirms it and creation proclaims it. (Romans 1:20) Atheism is simply scripture fulfilled (1 Cor 1:27). Your trust in Darwin shows how prideful you are indeed. Its foolish to be an Atheist to be honest.
@Eric0873 I'm replying so I can feel superior, eh? Well I assure you (for whatever it's worth) that was not my intention, but if you percieve me as intimidating, I'll take that as a compliment.
And no, I do not "know" God exists anymore than I "know" he doesn't. I don't personally believe in God, but I do not discount the possibility.
Always like a Christian, though, to inform you of what you "really" know.
In any case, you've still not presented a good argument as to why Atheism is
@SeedsOfHatred I didn't say you were intimidating. I said that you wanted to feel smart by showing off your "intellectualism" and characterize my position as being idiotic by calling me an idiot, which, I suppose would help make your position more tenable. Its OK, I forgive you. That's paganism for you. Atheism is NOT intimidating at all. :)
@Eric0873 Actually, Atheism "claims" nothing, other than to simply not believe in God. Which I don't. Even die-hard Atheists like Richard Dawkins will admit that they can't "know" with absolute certainty that God doesn't exist. However, based on the lack of evidence, we have no reason to believe; so we don't.
As for my intimidation, I never once tried to be intimidating, but you seem to think of me as such. So again, thank you for the compliment.
@SeedsOfHatred I believe you just presented my argument for me. By your own statement you can't be an atheist. You're agnostic, which would be a more apt descriptive term for what you are versus what you want to be. An atheist claims to "know" God does not exist while an agnostic is not so sure. I am glad that you do not discount the possibility. Congratulations on your backsliding today!
@MewCat100 No, I do not. God, however, does. He's informed us in His word as to what makes one a Christian. The joke is any atheistic worldview purported by those who want to go on sinning their life away.
@Eric0873 So you have no proof or evidence that god exists, but you insist that based on his divine word, you can tell others how to live their lives. Loser
@MewCat100 At least living it in a way that's indicative to what agrees with God, yes. In other words, don't live how I say you should live, but the way God has prearranged for us to live. Its about honor and respect for the One who gave us life. Would it be safe to assume that you never did what you were told by your parents while living in their house? By your own worldview that's precisely what you are indicating. We all live in God's creation. He knows what's best for us.
@MewCat100 Btw, there's plenty of evidence for God's existence. You just choose to not take any of it into consideration. Moral culpability keeps you from humbling yourself to consider all possibilities. Question: Do you think its possible to be good w/o God?
@Eric0873 Okay, you will have to define what morally perfect means then because that is no more explanatory than is "good." Tell me what you mean by "morally perfect" so that I can provide a relevant answer.
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jesuslifeternal 4 hours ago
Sam Harris for president! He would have my vote.
mcarbone80 1 day ago
Elvis might be dead but Tupac is alive.
ARobs42 2 days ago
"The christian religion is a parody of the worship of the sun, in which the put a man called Christ(Christos which means the anointed one) in the place of the sun, and pay him adoration originally payed to the sun"
- Thomas Paine 1737- 1809
erikAsuxxxweewee 6 days ago
This guy sounds like more of a smug jackass than I thought he would. His silly arguments are based upon category mistakes and weak analogies. His tone is pompous and completely out of touch.
clebcal1 1 week ago
A. you say people should pay a penalty for not believing what you believe... despite having zero evidence to the contrary.
B. you compare this to saying the earth is flat when we can see photographs of the earth... being... a sphere.
C. racism in OUR CULTURE has been covered up better... go to india or africa.
you're a hypocrite, sir.
anonazero 1 week ago
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erikAsuxxxweewee 1 week ago
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@anonazero 1st You exclaim that he does not provide any evidence for his lack of belief... yet you have NO PROOF a celestial dictator in the sky exists or doesn't exist? and if he/she/it does or doesn't exist why cant it be questioned?
2nd he compared his analogy to the earth being flat because now TECHNOLOGY not religion allows us to see this, if not you'd believe what a fairy-tale told you.
3rd Racism/Homophobia/Women rights/Elderly are A-LOT better
F.Y.I-
U.S.A has A BLACK PRESIDENT!
erikAsuxxxweewee 1 week ago
@erikAsuxxxweewee 1. you need to look up the definition of proof.
2. you do know God is real, i don't need to prove a thing. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1:21
3. they knew the earth was a sphere thousands of years ago.
4. we have plenty of evidence that God is real and His name is Jesus.
anonazero 6 days ago
@anonazero i.The definition of PROOF: Evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
ii.typical christian for stating that you only believe "god" is real cuz the bible tells you so. what if YOUR WRONG? what if Zeus and Apollo where the right gods?
you can't disprove it? If fact without quoting alittle bible verse, try to disprove them.
because it will be just as hard as trying to prove your western deity "jesus"
iii.no they didn't.
erikAsuxxxweewee 6 days ago
@erikAsuxxxweewee 1. good, so according to that standard i have proof. the fact that you don't recognize it just isn't my problem.
2. if i'm wrong then A. i have a powerful imagination and am the most lucky individual ever to have lived, oh, and every christian i've ever met falls into that column. B. then you have to explain away the mountain of evidence and C. there is no hope for man because a God had to have created us, something doesn't come from nothing.
anonazero 6 days ago
@erikAsuxxxweewee zeus and apollo have zero historical documentation and more conflicting stories than you can imagine. there is no truth there, it all falls apart. secondly, there isn't a collection of historical documents composed by eye witnesses in the lifetimes of other eyewitnesses translated into multiple languages with tens of thousands of manuscripts to support the greek myths.
3. well that just shows your ignorance.
anonazero 6 days ago
@anonazero Horus god of Egypt 3,000 b.c - performed miracles "lamb of god"/"the light",crucified buried for three days resurrected
Attis god of Phrygia 1200 b.c- born of a virgin, born on december 25th, crucified, dead for 3 days, resurrected,
Krishna god of India 900 b.c- born of a virgin, star in the east, performed miracles with his disciples, dead for 3 days, upon his death resurrected,
Dionysus god of greece 500 b.c- born of a virgin december 25th, performed miracles
erikAsuxxxweewee 6 days ago
@erikAsuxxxweewee you're parroting bad information that has been parroted by other sources like the zeitgeist video (and absolutely refuted by actual historical documentation, not that you'd care about that part).
first off, crucifixion didn't exist in 3000BC aaaand pretty much everything else you just said was completely incorrect. ya know, cause you're just repeating bad information you heard from some crappy youtube video.
anonazero 6 days ago
@anonazero Mithra of persia 1200 b.c- born of a virgin, born on december 25th, 12 disciples, performed miracles, dead for 3 days. resurrected, sunday worship
and many many more,
jesus the latest mythlogical god- born of a virgin mary december 25th, star in the east, 12 disciples, performed miracles, dead for 3 days, resurrected,
not one historian of the alleged time of your myth god existence documented any of that in Bethlehem
erikAsuxxxweewee 6 days ago
@anonazero Josephs and tasitus defenders of your faith, have claimed to write about his time here, but that source has been proclaimed as a forgery for years, isn't it ironic you just towards calling me ignorant just because i don't subscribe to your particular faith, im sure thats what every society would love to indoctrinate and tell there children, about how there is an eternal infernal or an afterlife with 72 virgins, wake-up! religion is mind manipulation! Brainwash!
erikAsuxxxweewee 6 days ago
@anonazero and furthermore you'd think i guy that rose from the dead and ascended into heaven would be in scientific historical text and not in hundreds of different types manuscripts and languages would make it into the history books in every public school because there are very high odds that the figure known as jesus never existed.
erikAsuxxxweewee 6 days ago
@erikAsuxxxweewee as i just pointed out... He is. the bible is a reliable collection of historical documents composed by eye witnesses in the lifetime of other eyewitnesses attesting to supernatural events claiming to be written by different men over hundreds of years yet authored/inspired by God Himself.
and by the way, the closest ancient historical document doesn't come within MILES of the documentary support that the bible has.
anonazero 6 days ago
@erikAsuxxxweewee actually its josephus and he was a jewish historian. are you seriously this bad at history? the jews hated Christ... the fact that josephus wrote about His miracles just stands as evidence to not only support Christ's existence but the reality of His miracles. in case you're not keeping up josephus was in the group that had every reason in the world to disavow any knowledge of Christ... and yet they wrote about Him... and His miracles... as historical fact.
anonazero 6 days ago
@erikAsuxxxweewee secondly its "tacitus" (if you were familiar with the roman/greek culture or historical fact in general you'd have known that) and he was a roman historian who ALSO had every reason to discredit Christ but... didn't. he wrote about Jesus as historical FACT.
this is what i mean. you just don't have a good understanding of history, obviously.
anonazero 6 days ago
I actually think, even with the stammering, he's a brilliant speaker. He is much more composed and reasonable than quite a few other commentators. Besides, what does your public speaking skill have to do with your capabilities as a neuroscientist? As if a certain speech pattern or level of introversion reflects on that at all. Quite foolish.
HufflepunkNya 1 week ago
go figure! another self-indulged jew spouting off against republicans and Christianity!
incidentally, how happy does the phobic sam harris look?
is this the guy who gets referred to as a neuroscientist? he's stammerin' around constantly in this video and all he's addessing are social issues.......tehe! can't imagine what he'd do around a neuroscience lab!
graysonTW 1 week ago
does anyone else (atheist or otherwise) notice how awkward and empty his defining of "happiness" becomes in the later half of the video?
clericbop 1 week ago
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@clericbop "notice how awkward and empty his defining of "happiness" becomes in the later half of the video?"
I have not noticed this. Perhaps you could elaborate by providing an example to justify your claim? Otherwise, you're just making empty, evidence-less claims.
blaisingm 1 week ago
@blaisingm what's funny is you say "I have not noticed this" well cleribop does(and I do) it's just our perception of him..which i why i don't understand atheist..people see the world differently..you are stuck in that "evidence" atheist rhetoric..it's an opinion based on mannerism..that's it..i can't know if Sam Harris is happy or not only he knows that but based on his mannerism and obsession with religion I would say no
ubermisogynist 1 week ago
@ubermisogynist " "I have not noticed this" well cleribop does(and I do) "
And I NEVER disagreed with you. HOWEVER, if you're going to claim something is true, strengthen your claim with some kind of evidence. Otherwise, you're just making stuff up and or lying. Neither pretending nor lying is noble or moral. BUT, if you can justify yourself, your words will have actual meaning and value. Yours do NOT if you can't justify your claims. This is reality... this is how the world works.
blaisingm 1 week ago
I've watched several of Harris's talks and debates and have noticed a weak trend over and over...he tries to take on the question of purpose that atheist philosophers have struggled with for a couple centuries. Harris falls flat on his face each time because his pseudo-philosophy scientism is amateurish. perhaps if he went back and studied some more of his predessesors from the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries he could do a better job with these fundamental questions. he is entertaining tho'
clericbop 1 week ago
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@clericbop "if he went back and studied some more of his predessesors from the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries"
First off, Harris is a neuroscientist, not a philosopher. The 18th century didn't have any neuroscientist predecessors.
"the question of purpose that atheist philosophers "
What is wrong with Harris's handling of "purpose"? How does he fall flat each time? What does he say about purpose that is amateurish?
blaisingm 1 week ago
the only thing Harris will get out of forcing his views on others is Forever Alone..annoying people won't make them not be religious..it will just annoy them and make you hated.. in a recent study showed that Atheist are as trusted as rapist..think about that Atheists..as trusted as RAPIST
ubermisogynist 2 weeks ago
@ubermisogynist That is merely a reflection of the stupendous ignorance of religious people.
uscjd2004 1 week ago
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@ubermisogynist "in a recent study showed that Atheist are as trusted as rapist..think about that Atheists..as trusted as RAPIST"
First, I'd be interested in the source of this study. Could you provide a link to this "study"?
Harris doesn't force his views on anyone! What strategies does Harris use to force your acceptance? Does he threaten you with eternal torture for not believing or agreeing with him? OOOPS! That's christianity; sorry... what does Harris do to "force" you?
blaisingm 1 week ago
erm....I believe in God and Im pretty blissful when I have sex. And eat chocolate. Yep, I can believe in God and be blissful too.
truly1676 2 weeks ago
Sam Harris is awesome.
kaduisaui 2 weeks ago
I think the right wing politicians who say they dont believe in evolution , are just pandering to get the votes of the ignorant . It's scary. In this day and age, so many believe a book of fairy tales written by some goat hearders thousands of yrs ago.
greggmcc 2 weeks ago 2
faith by defeation is believing in things with out evidence and personally i dont do that because im not an idiot.
teodor187 2 weeks ago
@teodor187 Look everybody, we got a badass over here.
JewforCheeses 1 week ago
@JewforCheeses haha you friend have no life if you scrolled down the comments to see who to respond to
teodor187 1 week ago
Exactly what is this 'sin' that Christians seem to think every human on this planet is guilty of and how would belief in the unreal in any way make this sin just go away?
darrenholcomb42 3 weeks ago
Hmm...why would you want to "apply pressure to people's religious beliefs" to begin with? Just because JFK was Catholic...he wasn't a great leader for our country? There's no one with a gun to your head saying "believe in this or else". Oh wait, yes there are ...radical Muslims. "Applying pressure" through intellectual conversation rarely changes anyone's minds. But if they want to kill you, it's probably better to kill them first.
DickLodge68 3 weeks ago
Round and round theists go. The same nonsense of "are you a sinner"? Yes. I have worked on a Sunday. I have lied just like you. I have looked at a woman with lust like you. I do not lie to myself. I will not let your foolish judgement weigh on me. I will not burn in Hell because that is the most foolish concept someone could think of. Judge yourself, not me. Wave your holy book at someone else hypocrite.
paramattic70 1 month ago
I don't debate Christians for the same reason I don't debate someone who thinks the Moon is made of cheese. The existence of God is unsuitable for debate. It is preposterous in this day and age of science, reason and technology. Believers lack the standing to debate among reasonable people. It is degrading to Atheists. I don't have to prove that something doesn't exist. I refuse to hold on to a Bronze age security blanket and deny myself the rewards of progression.
paramattic70 1 month ago
@paramattic70 "I don't debate Christians for the same reason I don't debate someone who thinks the Moon is made of cheese." "preposterous in this day"
Excellent point, but it is the 2nd quote above that is sufficient reason for me to debate with religious people. I find it absolutely fascinating that people cling to bronze age mythology. I want to know why. So, I debate. And, I've learned a tremendous amount. For instance, you will notice certain behaviors common among religious people.
blaisingm 1 month ago 2
@blaisingm N.B.: such beliefs usually are held because of moral cowardice and general stupidity.
uscjd2004 1 week ago
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@paramattic70 "The existence of God is unsuitable for debate."
For example, most religious people will defend their religious beliefs, but they share a common threshold that when breached, they immediately retreat and abandon the debate. The threshold that causes retreat is a request to answer simple logic questions. Look below for a typical example. I was arguing with 'Eric0873'. Construct a set of logic questions based on their religiously inspired reasoning = immediate retreat.
blaisingm 1 month ago
@paramattic70 Read my post, if you will.
DickLodge68 3 weeks ago
What? For myself, that didn't make any sense.
1LonePuma 1 month ago
Harris wastes inordinate amounts of time with his crusade against religion. He should spend his time addressing the brutality & censorship in Communist China & North Korea instead of waging war on us.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 "waging war on us."
Big surprise! You disappeared once I started asking you questions.
blaisingm 1 month ago
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@blaisingm Did you not see what I posted below? Stop clowning around & get to work! w w w tokseminars org along with the book on neurology I recommended earlier.
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tamer1236 1 month ago
Oh dear its an ultimatum. Ok so you humorless fanatics want evidence. Here is evidence. The 12 neurotypes that Harris has never mentioned. Possibly he has glanced them over in passing while at school but completey missed their extreme significance. Go to Amazon and type;
"Your personality and how to live with it". Read this book & then get back to me for further instruction. You are now my students so stop slacking off & get to work!
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
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@ZEDSTODT2 "The 12 neurotypes that Harris has never mentioned. Possibly he has glanced them over in passing while at school but completey missed their extreme significance. Go to Amazon and type;
"Your personality and how to live with it""
Oopps! I guess you did offer evidence. Shame on me for not reading further. How is this evidence (please explain the significance)?
blaisingm 1 month ago
By the way, Jesus will return.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
...Beyond that, Sam Harris is deadly dull. Yawwwwwwwwwwwn.
bill4long 1 month ago
The funny thing about all the New Atheists, is that they "really, really believe", all of this is "so important." If they are right, nothing matters in the long run anyway. They sound strangely like the religionists they decry in their zealotry. The Religion of New Atheism. I say, shut the fuck up.
bill4long 1 month ago
@bill4long True. Also check out Fakesagans video on the "Atheist Majority" fallacy. Its a riot! Type this into the search box; "I will not submit (to pussy atheists)"
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@bill4long "If they [atheists] are right, nothing matters in the long run anyway." - bill4long
I would say that you're making the mistake of comparing two rulers for measurement: the theist's ruler for "the long run" (eternity), and the atheist's ruler for "the long run" (existence of conscious life). If my positive actions leave positive impact on those living after me, that is MY "long run." You are cheapening the long run we KNOW we have, by comparing it to one you HOPE you'll have...
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
@themediocrenontheist - You're mistaking me for someone else.
bill4long 1 month ago
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@bill4long "You're mistaking me for someone else." - bill4long
"The funny thing about all the New Atheists, is that they "really, really believe", all of this is "so important." If they are right, nothing matters in the long run anyway. They sound strangely like the religionists they decry in their zealotry. The Religion of New Atheism. I say, shut the fuck up." - bill4long
No, I'm not. My rebuttal was toward the second quote from you above, which I excerpted.
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
Wow. This is dangerous. People who don't think the same should be penalized? It's been done before. Anybody who knows history knows that atheist have done this before. The USSR and China. This is thought police. It's Marxism under the banner of Liberalism hiding behind science while destroying it.
Look up "communist propaganda". It's the same atheist b.s. being used today. Atheism is dangerous, 200 million dead dangerous. The worst part about it, they deny it.
813CR 1 month ago
@813CR "People who don't think the same should be penalized? It's been done before. Anybody who knows history knows that atheist have done this before."
Sam Harris is advocating civil public discourse and the exchange of ideas, not "forcing" beliefs. Atrocities committed by atheists (who have no doctrine) can no more discredit atheism than fringe members of P.E.T.A. using violence as a means of conflict resolution against furriers, factory farms, and labs can ethically "discredit" veganism...
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
Sam is very handsome. :)
MsTinklepiss 1 month ago
i wanna kiss your jewish lips,. but please remain quiet
2rainmalt 1 month ago
an intelligent being..he questions the status quo
ummglick 1 month ago
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When one chooses a faith, they had BETTER choose the "correct" one as ALL these competing scriptures will send the "others" to HELL-That's another reason why I stick with atheism, because of the TRIBAL nature of human behavior.The "Us against THEM" nature we ALL display in all aspects & ALL levels of life itself. The irony of religion is the TRIBAL BEHAVIOR directly behind it. NOT ONE religion offers a universal answer as they all compete, which PROVES we evolved anyway.The IRONY of it ALL !!
gblueslover2 1 month ago
Harris may pressure us all he wants but I wont be dismissing the Gospel anytime soon based upon his absurd crusade.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2
Thats fine.... im atheist but i agree with you there mate.... if your religion causes you (as in you personally and not humanity in general) to behave rationally, gives you morals to live by and makes you a kind, understanding person.....then dont dismiss your beliefs
if your religion causes you to be a close minded judgemental youtube troller, then you need to stop watching videos similar to this one and leave youtube alone
Catapultandclingfilm 1 month ago
@Catapultandclingfilm Apparently you oppose dissent. I'll leave Harris alone when he ends his relentless smear campaign against religion. Also does he need you to defend him or do you have a dog in this fight as well?
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2
I have no problem with religious people when they behave like people...
I certainly have a problem with religious people when they behave like divine beings that invoke their God and try to condemn me to something i dont believe in.
If it makes someone behave rationally, carry on...if they become violent, immoral and sinister due to their unacceptance of other beliefs, then they can fuck off to the hell they have created for themselves.
Catapultandclingfilm 1 month ago
@Catapultandclingfilm You make a very good argument here.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Smear campaign? That is only if he were lying. Since he is telling the truth it is just called........wait for it.......telling the truth.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@MewCat100 Uh huh. Suuuuure he is. He also claims that he can prove that God is a myth. Ive got a bridge in San Francisco mad of gold for sale too. Duh. Get real.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 So far you have said nothing of substance.....much like your religion.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@MewCat100 Oh dear someone here on boobtube comments section casting sewage as usual, just like Harris does. Would you like ketchup with that mouthful?
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 You another mental midget envious of Harris or just do not like logic and rational thought? Go back to Dr Suess, kid.
greenarcher180 1 month ago
@greenarcher180 The only thing I envy about Harris will be his fat bank account after you ignorant dupes fatten it. Go back to mud wrestling with the piggies.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
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@ZEDSTODT2 "The only thing I envy about Harris will be his fat bank account after you ignorant dupes fatten it. Go back to mud wrestling with the piggies." - ZEDSTODT2
"I always consider it a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem." - Christopher Hitchens
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 I Oh, so it's an issue with his success at spreading facts. And please crawl back under that theistic rock you prefer to hide under via continued childhood indoctrination and lack of rational thought. Better to wrestle with the truth than try to refute it via envy and ignorance.
greenarcher180 1 month ago
@greenarcher180 Oh please you Exalted Aristocrats of wisdom please if you would be so kind to impart your all-knowing erudite Illuminism upon my humbled brow. Im trapped under my Theistic boulder rolling in the mud with the crabs, roly-poly sowbugs & earwigs with only my cud to chew! My envy has turned to madness!! Oh woe is meeeee!!
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Good answer, troll. You respond merely to make yourself feel important.
greenarcher180 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Again, you provide no substance, just the pointless name calling of a frightened and cornered theist terrified that your beliefs may be challenged and that your logic is not as rigorous as you wish it was. When you grow up, come back and try to compete with Harris. Until then, you are just a coward hiding in the dark.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@MewCat100 Bwahahaha more of your phony spin & science fiction blather again. I have no fear of you or Harris at all. You can deny Gods existence all you want but when you start passing laws that force Christian, Jews & Moslems to allow homosexual marriage in our churches & synagogues then you cross the line. We wont be allowing that no matter how much of your stunted logic cries. Go change your diapers babycakes.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 When did I ever say you had to allow homosexual marriage in your place of worship? Didn't take you long to get off topic there did it? You seem like a troll.
When you have evidence that your invisible friend in the sky is real, come on back and we'll listen. Until then, you are just the typical ignorant religious bigot, so consumed with yourself that you do not care about anyone or anything else.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@MewCat100 You have no respect for free thought. You didnt have to mention it. Its been in the news for several days now. You seem like an ogre. I dont believe that you would care if I did show you evidence. You have a vendetta against religion in general & Christianity in particular from the sound of it. Oh dear more crocodile tears from an ogre who loves to cast those smears but cant face their own corruption. Hypocrit. Anti-Christians murdered millions us but U couldnt give a shit.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 If you have evidence, show it. Don't sit there and talk around it and poison the well (favorite theist tactic) so that any response I give will be misconstrued as proving your point. Either put up or shut up jackass. Once again, you post complete and utter nonsense and think that reasonable people will consider you intelligent. I have news for you, you're a moron. Either demonstrate your alleged evidence or stop talking about around it coward.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@MewCat100 Gosh if I could actually wade through the oceans of pathological, sadistic invective you so devotedly specialize in then maybe we could try to objectively determine if the wisdom of the ancients might be on to something. But its hard to reason logically with fanatic, despotic dictators whove already defined their exclusive agenda. Maybe start with an attitude adjustment.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Yes, I can see how my unreasonable demands for EVIDENCE would be considered pathological invective and dictatorial in nature. Dictators are always demanding evidence and never wantonly doing anything they please.
You are nothing but talk. You have no game. You haven't brought a shred of evidence to the table for once simple reason....you can't find any. Just keep trying to mask your ineptitude in rhetoric, I'm sure no one will notice how pathetic you are.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@MewCat100 "No cape, no cane, no cuffs, just game". Dictators? I wouldnt know exactly that which leads you to monolithic blindness. I have volumes of evidence such as the Old & New Testaments, Ancient Aliens, Scientific American, Electronic Music & Neurology. My ineptitude in rhetoric will only reveal your pathetic embarrassment when exposed as the wounded child you so desperately wish to eradicate. Through time & patience you can overcome your pain. I would love to try to help you.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Wow. You are to ignorant to realize that the more you post the more childish you appear.
greenarcher180 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Last chance. Show your evidence or be branded a liar and idiot henceforth. If you do not produce the evidence you claim to have then communication will cease. You are just wasting time and space.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 This response isn't even a reply to anything I have said. It is a complete nonsequitor. You are either immensely stupid or trying to build a straw man. Either way, you are an idiot.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@MewCat10 Of course it isnt. Why am I going to debate fanatics who dont give a rats ass about any facts here in this tiny crawlspace on boobtube? Its about as futile as Monty Pythons buy an argument sketch. "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is" "No it isnt" "yes it is". Either way your still an immensely crude ogre. Maybe one day youll graduate to that of a mere troll.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 If you aren't going to debate on this "tiny crawlspace on boobtube," then why are you here debating? What you say and what you do don't jive. This is not unexpected given the extreme duality that theists are forced to live with on a daily basis.
MewCat100 1 month ago
@MewCat100 Im not debating. Im only arguing in my spare time. You have to pay me to argue first. My duality rotates from nanosecond to nanosecond.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Nice contradiction, kid. But you're too busy trying to impress yourself. The duality is a result of being off the Ritalin or Lithium or Thorazine.
greenarcher180 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 "I dont believe that you would care if I did show you evidence"
I would care! Could you impart some of this evidence un to me?
blaisingm 1 month ago
@blais w w w tokseminars org along with the book on neurology I recommended earlier.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
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@ZEDSTODT2 "w w w tokseminars org along with the book on neurology I recommended earlier."
Right, thanks for the additional material. Now, how is this evidence (please explain the significance)? What specific evidence allows one to draw your conclusion?
blaisingm 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2
That's fine. You'll just serve as an example of how religion makes one stupid and closed-minded.
Lodatzor 1 month ago
@Lodatzor Which religion? Oh thats right we're all the same! Wonderful. The Atheist Moral Majority has spoken! Kautau to Chairman Mao!
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Don't know the facts regarding the Gospels and you cling to them. Study the history and analysis and then belief in such is no longer excusable. Get educated, not deluded.
greenarcher180 1 month ago
@green180 Yes sir may i have another. For you Oh Great Pharoah have proven that we dont exist & that our lives are mere illusions resulting from temporary chemical synthesis that simply expires into the void, never to return again.....you have proven it right?....I mean...we really dont exist right?....This life of atrocity & brutality.....its only an illusion right?? You have the proof you said...we dont really exist do we??? Please someone tell me that we dont actually...noooo
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Move out of your mothers basement, stop banging your sister and get an education. Or rather, get back on your medication, kid,
greenarcher180 1 month ago
But if for any reason I failed to agree or see it, yes I could still try to test it somehow and come up with good evidence perhaps, but if you preassure me to accept it, that´s just dogma, not science. Also Harri´s comparison of religious dogma to racism is somewhat falacious. I think it is quite healthy to be critical,and even to fight back , but let´s be carefull not to go from one extreme to the other.
am101171 1 month ago
I like Harris as a smart guy with interesting ideas, but some of them strike as dangerous. Putting preassure into people that do not believe say in evolution, seems to me leads to making science a dogma.I mean I agree with the evolution theories but i personally haven´t tested it, someone will say that I can see it day by day somewhere, I don´t see it, but im confortable with it, if that what the scientist amout to at this point in time, I guess that´s what scientist know so far, ok by me.
am101171 1 month ago
@am101171 "Putting preassure into people that do not believe say in evolution, seems to me leads to making science a dogma."
There's a huge partisan discrepancy between both parties, because each consider themselves "educating," and the other side "indoctrinating." It frustrates scientists to have their educational practices encroached on by believers who will accept almost all scientific theories, but who refuse a few of them solely on account of their being incompatible with Scripture.
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
Harris blathering out his anus as usual.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 Maybe you shouldn't watching something beyond your intellectual capacity. I'm sure there's a cartoon on somewhere for you.
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheHigherVoltage All of you pseudo-intellectuals worship this arrogant Marxist clown who claims to have "proven" God is only a myth and that only materialism is valid for explaining reality. Harris is a fraud & you have all bought into his greedy scam. Dunces.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 (1) 'worship' is for the spineless and delusional. (2) Calling Harris a marxist doesn't make him one. (3) proving the God(s) of religions to be bullshit is easy. And that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not real God(s) exist. (4) Time and time again, supernatural explanations have turned out to be bullshit, as we figure out the natural world. (5) Frauds require faith. (6) I've yet to hear of a scam bigger than religions who play their own God.
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheHigherVoltage 2- On his website he makes "gay rights" & wealth transfer one of his cornerstones. 3- The Gospel of Christ is not bullshit. Teaching people to love each other is unassailable. 4- Imaginary Numbers that determine the physics of black holes along with Membrane Theory seems "supernatural" whatever that really means. 5- Atheism taken to the political level that Harris stumps for is inherently fraudulent. Ive yet to see a greater scam than Marxism.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 2 - As far as I can read, Marx was against gays. Wealth transfer, ya probably. Anyone with a brain is against destroying the middle class. 3 - yes, the gospels are bullshit. Telling people to love each other is great, but that's not what the bible promotes. "Love your neighbor as yourself" sounds great until the "you must hate your father, mother even yourself" contradiction and the "you were born evil, wretched and unworthy" self-hatred parts.
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheLowerRevoltage 2- Marxism is about class warfare so the gay agenda fits in with that completely. The NeoMarxist agenda today is exactly about impoverishing everyone by subverting the middle class & render most dependency upon the state. This includes abolishing religion as your Communist allies did in China, North Korea & elsewhere. 3- Cherry picking concepts & running them together to imply contradictions is disingenuous. Those scriptures describe ideas regarding Truth.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 In a 30 second search, I found out that none of the five existing communist states recognize same-sex marriages, civil unions, or registered partnerships.
"This includes abolishing religion as your Communist allies did in China, North Korea..." once again, a 30 second search proves this is a lie.
I'm not pro-communist, yet you claim I am.
Are you a troll or just a habitual liar?
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheLowerRevoltage Homosexual agendas such as "gay marriage" or "feminsim" are reserved for the West because they are considered destabilizing & the Reds want to gain revenge for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Communist regimes are behind this agenda in order to wage war on religions & convert the West to NeoMarxism. I dont know if youre a Marxist or not but youve allied to their cause so you might as well be. Im not a troll but I suspect youre a lying ogre.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 So...communists are behind progressing human rights in the west? Were they also behind equal rights for blacks, asians and women too? How about abolition? I'm sure that was a commie thing too, right?
I gotta ask : who do you listen to, to get so fucked up? Alex Jones? Your Church? Conspiracy websites? FOX? They teach this crap in your school? All of the above?
How did you get so messed up?
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 "Homosexual agendas such as "gay marriage" or "feminsim" are reserved for the West because they are considered destabilizing"
How does gay marriage and women's rights destabilize? How did they end trade protections that keep jobs in the west?
Tell me, how does basic rights for the people you hate contribute to the 15 trillion dollar debt in the US? How do gays and fems personally ruin your little world?
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 (CONT) 4 - magnetism and electricity seems 'supernatural' without understanding the actual mechanics of it as well. Reality is stranger than fiction - that doesn't mean anything is supernatural. 5 - If you haven't seen a bigger scam than Marxism, you should research more. Scientology, Islam, Christianity, Fascism, Monarchies and Theocracies politics are just a few scams that are just as big, if not bigger.
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheLowRevoltage 4-We dont know yet why the laws of physics works. Its too early to tell & the fact that reality is stranger than fiction implies that EVERYTHING might be supernatural (whatever that really means as I stated before). 5- Marxism spawned Fascism so apparently you lack the research here, not I. The US has become a prime example of a Marxist experiment in motion. The Federal Reserve, Social Security & Graduated Income Tax are straight out of the Communist Manifesto
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 I don't see Harris calling for Atheist politics. I've only heard him call for the defense of secular politics (First Amendment) and calls against Theocracies.
Anyone that claims to be in contact with/guided by/doing the work of a God, is a delusional (or simply lying to the gullible) - be it Islamic, Christian or whatever.
A fundy Christian with the nuke codes is as dangerous as a fundy Muslim with the nuke codes.
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheLowerRevoltage Oh suuure Harris is just innocuously musing to himself no doubt. He merely spends every waking hour of his life attacking religion to pass his volumes of spare time because its only a whim? Obviously hes on a mission for The Party. A fundy Marxist is the most dangerous fanatic of all with or without nukes. Too bad the Reds didnt actually give up after the end of the Soviet Union. Hence the fanaticism of the twisted radical left. Only Red ideologues push this.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
As bill Maher said: leaving the world under the responsibility of 2 naked teenagers, that's some really intelligent design.
saguhh00 1 month ago
Sam Harris is just so high on himself. Why do so many people not get it? There are different "realms" of human thought and emotion, and one of those is the holy or spiritual. Another is music and art. How can science inform that potter exactly how to shape & decorate that vase? The analogy btwn Elvis belivers and god belivers is dishonest - maybe we should ask why people make dishonest analogies? I'm an engineer - analogies must be and can be fairly accurate & useful, but dishonest? Puh-leaze.
rh001YT 1 month ago
@rh001YT Art is a concept that our minds has made up. Mind dependants can not be measured by science and since art is such an abstract concept it can't really be measured by our minds either. Art will die with the last person who recognizes the concept.
If you compare the spiritual and the holy to art you are essentially saying that humans made it up.
I would agree with that, but i doubt believers will.
marcus8374 1 month ago
@marcus8374 Hi, thanks for the response, but I must disagree: Art is not a concept. Concept is like "round", it names a set. The attributes of art can't be defined thoroughly enough to allow art to be a set. Further, there is no set of stone tablets inscribed by the hand of some god which declare words to be sufficient for describing & explaining everything. So while one might twist up a contorted definition for "art", it would be impossible to ground it, and most would see the bias in it.
rh001YT 1 month ago
@marcus8374 I think you are under 30 because you don't exhibit accurate use of language. "humans made it up"...that is so vague. Every sensation & concept & intention you have is "made up", you have no way of knowing pure knowledge or truth, nor can you know the rock in your hand, your image of it being "made up" by your mind/brain. But you can know value, for instance, that you can pound grain with that rock. Value is what matters to sane, normal people.
rh001YT 1 month ago
@marcus8374 "Mind dependants"....how would you know one if one fell on you? If it can't be "measured" then surely it is like a dogmatic claim. And as you are so sure they can't be measured, then likely you won't try. But how can you be so sure, without a measure? Maybe there is a way to measure such. Can you see that you are not free of dogmas? Can you see that you are an ego battling dogmas with other egos? Can you remember how you got that way? Who did what to you? Can you undo that?
rh001YT 1 month ago
Ben Stiller makes some very interesting points.
MrLatta 1 month ago
i honestly don't think harris has met a theist like me because i happen to agree with everything he says.
migol1984 1 month ago
Hey, non-believers. Look up 'God is for idiots' (Jim Jefferies). Awesome vid :)
GinaCaranoIsGod 1 month ago
He looks animated.
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paularenas26 2 months ago
Let’s put an end to all religion.
paularenas26 2 months ago
@paularenas26 Like that's ever gonna happen. There's always gonna be people dumb and gullible enough to believe this crap.
GinaCaranoIsGod 1 month ago
95 creationists, lets get em!
checkthismuthafucka 2 months ago 10
This is kind of apples and oranges. the shape of the earth is a relatively easy thing to demonstrate these days, far easier than when, say Aristotle demonstrated it. The living status of Elvis is also easy to demonstrate, and the case against a living Elvis is pretty easy to understand. Evolution, and the evidence supporting it is very difficult to explain, and difficult to understand. At least, more difficult than those other two things (con't)
standinstann 2 months ago
@standinstann I have no doubt that these people have no desire to go out and actually look at the data, but that doesn't change the fact that Darwinian evolution is not "obvious" as the shape of the earth and the death of Elvis is. the latter is categorically different from the other two.
standinstann 2 months ago
(cont.) I understand that most religious people have the same problem, but there are those who actually do walk their talk of their faith in God. (speaking in terms of Christianity)
Autonomy is overrated!!
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 What is the "Atheist walk", exactly? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in God. Where Christians go to church, Atheists do not. Where Christians pray every night before bed, Atheists do not. Where Christians encourage their children to put faith in Jesus, Atheists do not.
Atheists live as if there is no God in the same ways that Christians live as if there IS one.
Then again, I've never heard of a true Atheist secretly praying, but I've heard of plenty of Christians who secretly
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@Eric0873 (Part 2) live in opposition to many of their own religion's teachings.
Case in point; my ex is a "devout Christian", and yet she and I fucked like rabbits, despite the fact that we weren't married.
The tables can't be turned, though, because again, I've not heard of an Atheist slipping up by praying over his food or crossing himself.
So, if anything, Atheists are more faithful to their beliefs than Christians are, wouldn't you say?
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred I would agree that there are plenty of professing Christians not living out their worldviews at all which would make them most likely false converts. Saying you believe in God doesn't make anyone a Christian at all.Right, your continual sexual activity with your ex proved she wasn't saved to begin with which made her profession of faith meaningless.
Atheists, however, do not live out their profession of their "lack of faith". Especially ones in foxholes! Atheism is inconsistent.
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 Again, I ask, how so? Citing people in foxholes (I assume you mean men so overcome with fear that they cry out to God to save them) does nothing to prove that Atheism is inconsistent. That's probably the worst example you could have come up with. Desperation and severe emotional trauma will break anyone of anything - it's not a particularly Atheist issue. It's psychological.
With that being the case, how is Atheism - as a whole - inconsistent? In what way(s)?
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred Your "lack of belief" in God is inconsistent of what you actually believe (IMO). You know there's a God, you just don't want there to be a God thus you suppress that truth in your unrighteous living. I'm pretty sure you have no desire to die, yet that's clearly what the atheistic worldview is all about, death. Yet you have a will to live right? Atheism ridicules Christians for faith, yet Atheism requires more faith for its worldview. Would God's existence be so bad?
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 Everything you have said speaks to a profound misunderstanding of what the term atheists means and how people who identify themselves as atheists intend for the term to be used. This may be what you THINK it means, but this is not what it means to an actual atheist. The rest of your post is just malarkey. When you can provide some reasonable evidence for the existence of your god, reasonable people will accept it. Until then, only the superstitious will believe.
MewCat100 2 months ago
@MewCat100 Since you have the atheistic worldview pegged, would you be willing to comment on your understanding of biblical Christianity? Maybe then we can discuss where the misunderstanding is.
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 "You know there's a God"
This could not be further from the truth. Atheism is specifically NOT a belief in God.
And yes, we have a will to live just like anyone else, but that is perfectly explained through darwinian means. That has nothing to do with God. So no, Atheism has nothing to do with "death".
Please forgive me for having to be blunt, but I'm begining to think you're just an idiot. In which case, I'm not sure why I'm bothering to reply.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred You're bothering to reply b/c you just want to show how smart you are regarding any atheistic worldview and how dumb I appear to be to make yourself feel better about your worldview. And btw, I didn't say you believed in God I said you KNOW God exists. Your conscience affirms it and creation proclaims it. (Romans 1:20) Atheism is simply scripture fulfilled (1 Cor 1:27). Your trust in Darwin shows how prideful you are indeed. Its foolish to be an Atheist to be honest.
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 I'm replying so I can feel superior, eh? Well I assure you (for whatever it's worth) that was not my intention, but if you percieve me as intimidating, I'll take that as a compliment.
And no, I do not "know" God exists anymore than I "know" he doesn't. I don't personally believe in God, but I do not discount the possibility.
Always like a Christian, though, to inform you of what you "really" know.
In any case, you've still not presented a good argument as to why Atheism is
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred I didn't say you were intimidating. I said that you wanted to feel smart by showing off your "intellectualism" and characterize my position as being idiotic by calling me an idiot, which, I suppose would help make your position more tenable. Its OK, I forgive you. That's paganism for you. Atheism is NOT intimidating at all. :)
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 Actually, Atheism "claims" nothing, other than to simply not believe in God. Which I don't. Even die-hard Atheists like Richard Dawkins will admit that they can't "know" with absolute certainty that God doesn't exist. However, based on the lack of evidence, we have no reason to believe; so we don't.
As for my intimidation, I never once tried to be intimidating, but you seem to think of me as such. So again, thank you for the compliment.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@Eric0873 (Part 2) in your view, "inconsistent".
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred I believe you just presented my argument for me. By your own statement you can't be an atheist. You're agnostic, which would be a more apt descriptive term for what you are versus what you want to be. An atheist claims to "know" God does not exist while an agnostic is not so sure. I am glad that you do not discount the possibility. Congratulations on your backsliding today!
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 So suddenly you get to determine what makes some a Christian and what does not? What a joke.
MewCat100 2 months ago
@MewCat100 No, I do not. God, however, does. He's informed us in His word as to what makes one a Christian. The joke is any atheistic worldview purported by those who want to go on sinning their life away.
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 So you have no proof or evidence that god exists, but you insist that based on his divine word, you can tell others how to live their lives. Loser
MewCat100 2 months ago
@MewCat100 At least living it in a way that's indicative to what agrees with God, yes. In other words, don't live how I say you should live, but the way God has prearranged for us to live. Its about honor and respect for the One who gave us life. Would it be safe to assume that you never did what you were told by your parents while living in their house? By your own worldview that's precisely what you are indicating. We all live in God's creation. He knows what's best for us.
Eric0873 2 months ago
@MewCat100 Btw, there's plenty of evidence for God's existence. You just choose to not take any of it into consideration. Moral culpability keeps you from humbling yourself to consider all possibilities. Question: Do you think its possible to be good w/o God?
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 Define what you mean by "good" and I'll be happy to answer that question.
MewCat100 2 months ago
@MewCat100 Well my definition and standard may be a bit different than yours, but sure I'll define it for you: morally perfect.
Eric0873 2 months ago
@Eric0873 Okay, you will have to define what morally perfect means then because that is no more explanatory than is "good." Tell me what you mean by "morally perfect" so that I can provide a relevant answer.
MewCat100 2 months ago