My father is a social conservative and made damn sure he was part of a group traveling to DC to protest Roe vs Wade yet again. They don't really care about the issues you bring up. They just want things their way and that's it. Live your life according to the bible is their answer to everything. Birth control is only about one thing and thing only: do not have sex before marriage. Sad state of affairs I agree.
@KodyaxZavaj The US rate is 95% have pre-marital sex. Yes, even your parents generation. A concept that has a 95% failure rate, might not be the best policy. And so long as folks are having sex (which they are) they best be doing it safely with birth control. Not to mention a woman's right to choose.
@tetsubo57 You know that, I know that, but try telling that to the social conservatives like my father. Half the slasher films that have been made over the years or more are preaching that same failed message. But social conservatives want it preached that the only safe sex is no sex. The same message over and over. I've found no way of shutting them and they refuse to listen to reason. Goddess knows I've tried talking to my father...
Yeah, people dance around the term with the euphemisms "lemon socialism" and "crony capitalism" but it's economic Fascism plain and simple.
Some even think that form is actually representative of socialism or laissez faire economics (depending on which "side" they're on.)
The Neo-Cons beginning with Reagan were Liberals pretending to hold "volk" principles in order to be elected by the proles, whilst continuing the globalist agenda of supra-national Corporations/banks.
My wife works in the women's health for a major HMO, and they DON'T do abortions there. Needless to say, there are far more services that they do provide. I never realized how much care women need on a regular basis until I met her. Social conservatives are barbarians, and they've always been that way. It's no different from how it was in the 19th Century when children were sleeping on the streets of NYC.
PP doesn't do anything anyway there birth control doesn't work all they can do properly is abort babies and honestly I think the poor are much better off not paying taxes just so irresponsible teenagers can kill there child. Get rid of the income tax and fed reserve and poverty will drop by a lot. The mega banks scammed us and everything is run by the Illuminati. Ron Paul is the only good option we have.
This reminds me of the whole "don't get sick if you're poor" thing when they refused any sort of decent healthcare reform. Just makes me sad, because they just don't seem to understand what it's like, or if they do, they're simply evil.
...When all American so called Christians and Republicans become anti abortion AND anti death penalty, then I'll take them a little more seriously!
When a person is convicted and imprisoned, that is justice. Strapping them into an electric chair, a lethal injection machine, a gas chamber, or whatever method is employed, is revenge and contray to the 10 commandments. And "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" is arguably about self-defence when attacked, not state sponsored murder.
No groups as broad as those you characterize are going to all hold the same opinions...
"Until all humans start to analyze things critically, all of their opinions should be dismissed collectively and individually," makes as much sense... Fascist, you keep it coming...
"When a person is convicted & imprisoned it's justice," yeah, except when it's not which occurs quite often. The State isn't always "just" when it uses agents to try and charge others.
@markanthonyquested "Eye for an eye" Is about proportional justice, not self-defense. Beat someone for assaulting someone, kill them for killing someone, take restitution for stealing from someone, etc.
Besides, what's the alternative to the death penalty? The cost of life imprisonment is far too high even in the best economic times. Maybe when we're well and truly beyond scarcity we can consider other options for the death penalty.
@alexandrite014 People in prisons (and America has a higher % than *any other country in the world*) can work, learn skills, be rehabilitated (although not in an American jail), see their families (who also suffer when their loved ones are executed). They can help society.
People on death row suffer tremendously, and contribute very little to society, other than making wealthy lawyers richer.
Luckily even the tabloids can't persuade us to bring the death penalty back here.
@tetsubo57 - Agreed; charity, in terms of good causes (Red Cross, Oxfam, etc) will never take care of everything, especially during a recession.
However, one could define charity as paying taxes and agreeing for some of your taxes to help the poor and the needy, and also to fund universal healthcare for all. When I mentioned poor people do need charity, I was also referring to the usage of taxes to pay for universal healthcare for all, free at the point of use; i.e., like the UK NHS.
It irks me when USA and UK Government start illegal wars in (oil rich) countries. It irks me when so called Christians can be anti abortion and also pro death penalty! (I did not realise that "Thou Shall not commit murder" had a get-out clause! And before it is mentioned, I interpret "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" as self-defence, not an excuse to enact the death penalty). It irks me that health insurance is favoured over tax-funded universal healthcare!
I've already said I'm against wars, Christians, death penalty, and limited access to housing, food, health. I'm against limitations at all, as I promote post-scarcity economic models.
It irks me when people who are against war, death penalty, etc. are for murdering helpless viable fetuses because the mother was/is an idiot.
@markanthonyquested it irks us too. It's why 2% of the population (which isn't a bad number at all) have marched against the government over their illegal wars.
At least we have a national health system over here, and we (in most cases) don't put money above women's health.
There's some real "women's healthcare" from a private elective abortion provider.
Why are women going there in Philly rather than PP? There were at least 2 oversight agencies for these sort of abortion activities, why did they fail to inspect this clinic if they are so concerned with female reproductive health?
Do the live 8-month old babies not count as murders since labor was induced? Spare me.
@PriestofDischord - You are a very rude and rather angry person; you are doing your fellow country men and women a disservice! Is this always how you argue with people?
I am a person of courage and conviction...or ego, as you like to call it!
Yeah, for some reason killing viable fetuses for money or ease irks me somewhat.
When I hear about people failing to use cheap or free prophylactics and then aborting in the third trimester it pisses me off, sure. I'm weird like that.
@PriestofDischord - The USA healthcare system is still severely lacking in comparison to the UK healthcare system. The UK NHS is healthcare for all, rich or poor, as it is tax funded and not related to the ability to pay. We also have private healthcare, for those who wish to use it. But this runs alongside the NHS. If USA healthcare is so universal, then why do so many Americans not afford healthcare insurance?
@tetsubo57 tets...it makes me pretty angry for anyone to reduce "women's health care" to "lopping this fetus off." Poor women can get health care at tax-funded clinics in every county-you even mentioned that our taxes fund charities that do health care. Are your social conservatives so catholic as to defund (county by county) health clinics that do everything but elective abortion? Would they defund PP if it stopped doing elective abortions (only 3%, small loss comp to govt funding)?
@tetsubo57 Those are the same people that went crazy when The Onion ran a bogus story about PP building a huge abortionplex. They're rubes, and unfortunately they vote and drag us all down with them.
@PriestofDischord - In case you did not realise, we also have the right to travel. Indeed, as part of the EU, I am able to travel across 26 other countries due to the EU open borders policy. Outside of the EU, I have to follow the entry laws of the country that I choose to enter and carry a UK passport, which is the same for most other nations. I'm not sure who TSA agents are!
@PriestofDischord - I come from England, where the English language comes from! I speak it well, being an ENGLISH man!
You hold very strong opinions and yet hide your Youtube channel. In my own opinion, that comes across like an act of cowardness; you also come across as very rude. My Youtube channel is freely available, my username is my name, and my profile picture is of me (albeit wearing vintage motorcycle goggles and a wide brimmed hat).
@PriestofDiscord This is what you typed "...Medicaid is tax-funded universal healthcare for those who require it". In the UK, the NHS is universal, in that it will provide healthcare for all who need it, regardless of whether you are rich or poor, and it is funded by taxation. Medicaid and similar in the UK is NOT as universal as you seemed to claim. And so many Americans cannot afford health insurance and so many find the cost bankrupts them! Go figure!
The US State guarantees freedom of speech, now we have free-speech zones, SOPA, ACTA, etc.
The US State guarantees a right to travel, yet you must have a license, you must be harrassed by TSA agents, etc.
The US State guarantees many things, and then has its power as arbitrator manipulated in order to achieve the ends of those who control the State (international corporations, global banking groups, etc.)
@PriestofDiscord - I did not mention annonymity; I just mentioned that you have hidden your Youtube channel and I wondered why?
The USA so called healthcare is not as universal as the UK. As I understand it, Medicaid and similar are not as universal as you make out. In the UK, the NHS will treat anybody, rich or poor, from the homeless to billionares. If healthcare is as universal as you claim, why do so many Americans need health insurance and why do so many not afford it?
@PriestofDischord - ...Many Republicans dislike abortion, but these same Republicans also favour wars in (oil rich) countries, gun ownership, the death penalty, favouring expensive healthcare insurance over tax-funded healthcare, etc, AND many also have the cheek to call themselves Christian! Methinks they are far from Christian!
(I see you hide your channel; why so? Hiding in the shadows?)
Well, I'm against all war, especially aggressive ones. I'm for gun ownership, since an unarmed citizen is a slave. I favor free and open healthcare for everyone managed centrally by each state with no Federal intervention, I follow Hermes Trismegistus if any deity, so far from Christian indeed!
I enjoy anonymity, does that frighten you Fascist?
@PriestofDischord - The comment "They don't need charity if they're poor" must go down as one of the silliest ever expressed on Youtube! Poor people generally do need charity; something that the late Jesus of Nazareth would have agreed with.
The fact that the USA does not have tax-funded universal healthcare for all, regardless of the ability to pay (like the UK National Health Service), is one of the reasons why I never want to live in the USA!
@markanthonyquested It is a long-standing conservative myth that charity will take care of anything that they defund. But it is a myth. Charity has never provided the amount to cover the need. I was forestalling a social conservative telling me that charity would pick up the tab.
[Yawn] What a bevy of logical fallacies this topic produces...
Anyhoot, the clinic is giving them "charity" per se, but it's tax-funded not private "charity."
Medicaid is tax-funded universal healthcare for those who require it, there are also disability programs and many other local, county, state, and federal programs to assist the needy. Cameras on every corner, unarmed slave "citizenry," and extant Monarchy are a few of the reasons I avoid the UK.
hasn't anyone noticed the general poor population control thats going on? particularly your way in america, alot of processed foods... ie, the cheaper things we can afford, contain preservatives with a higher risk of causing things such as cancer, any useful information regarding health, or the ability to get treatment for ailments or injury is decided by income. sorry for the conspirational overtones, its just an observance
Most of the PP "clinics" are conveniently placed in the black neighborhoods, they may as well offer a cash incentive for them to abort themselves. These kindly "progressives" (who are too stunted to have progressed to Neo-Liberalism yet I guess) always seem a bit eugenicistic to me...
I understand pushing against abortion, but i dont understand why someone would want to defund something that doesnt JUST do abortions.... that being said im so far from socially conservative, though i dont agree with abortion if its have abortion and feed children and make sure pregnant mothers are healthy abort the crap out of as many fetuses as you like.
They don't need charity if they're poor, welfare systems and local clinics take care of them.
If you're conflating health-care with elective abortion then that's just absurd. Next the poor should be entitled to tit-jobs or penis enhancement surgery at that rate.
@PriestofDischord PP is a clinic used by a lot of women because it provides them access to the health care workers they like to see. My wife goes there for that reason. Heck, she's there right now. Defunding PP will limit women's options. Not every community has that many. This is an action that helps no one and harms the poor. The perfect social conservative act.
Okay, they like the service and people... I don't see how good HR/PR is held only by PP. It would limit options just as removing any business entity from the market "limits options." Actually, it might increase options since local clinics could provide reproductive services sans elective abortions, rather than facing a State-funded near monopoly...
It helps thousands of children get born rather than murdered.
Would you like to abort pregnant homeless cats and dogs?
@PriestofDischord Someone didn't watch the video. Abortion is 3% of what planned parenthood does. They provide counciling, Birth control, Gynecological services, STD screenings, etc. And it isn't just for the "poor" their services are available to anyone. Millions of people don't have health insurance and don't have the money just laying around to spend thousands of dollars on a visit to a doctor. Kindly go be ignorant somewhere else.
My father is a social conservative and made damn sure he was part of a group traveling to DC to protest Roe vs Wade yet again. They don't really care about the issues you bring up. They just want things their way and that's it. Live your life according to the bible is their answer to everything. Birth control is only about one thing and thing only: do not have sex before marriage. Sad state of affairs I agree.
KodyaxZavaj 1 month ago
@KodyaxZavaj The US rate is 95% have pre-marital sex. Yes, even your parents generation. A concept that has a 95% failure rate, might not be the best policy. And so long as folks are having sex (which they are) they best be doing it safely with birth control. Not to mention a woman's right to choose.
tetsubo57 1 month ago
@tetsubo57 You know that, I know that, but try telling that to the social conservatives like my father. Half the slasher films that have been made over the years or more are preaching that same failed message. But social conservatives want it preached that the only safe sex is no sex. The same message over and over. I've found no way of shutting them and they refuse to listen to reason. Goddess knows I've tried talking to my father...
KodyaxZavaj 1 month ago
Defund and privatize defund and privatize defund and privatize. That's the neo-con song all day long.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912
Defund and privatize is also the mantra of the Neo-Liberals. Funny.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord True. They're both a fancy name for fascist, if you ask me.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912
Yeah, people dance around the term with the euphemisms "lemon socialism" and "crony capitalism" but it's economic Fascism plain and simple.
Some even think that form is actually representative of socialism or laissez faire economics (depending on which "side" they're on.)
The Neo-Cons beginning with Reagan were Liberals pretending to hold "volk" principles in order to be elected by the proles, whilst continuing the globalist agenda of supra-national Corporations/banks.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
I think you're downplaying the religious influences of the pro-life & anti-woman crowd.
jesokingcryst 1 month ago
My wife works in the women's health for a major HMO, and they DON'T do abortions there. Needless to say, there are far more services that they do provide. I never realized how much care women need on a regular basis until I met her. Social conservatives are barbarians, and they've always been that way. It's no different from how it was in the 19th Century when children were sleeping on the streets of NYC.
Antiks72 1 month ago
@Antiks72 Those children obviously just failed to pick themselves up by their bootstraps. Slackards.
tetsubo57 1 month ago
@tetsubo57 Absolutely.
Antiks72 1 month ago
PP doesn't do anything anyway there birth control doesn't work all they can do properly is abort babies and honestly I think the poor are much better off not paying taxes just so irresponsible teenagers can kill there child. Get rid of the income tax and fed reserve and poverty will drop by a lot. The mega banks scammed us and everything is run by the Illuminati. Ron Paul is the only good option we have.
44SCB 1 month ago
"Take off your shoes and get in the kitchen. Then we'll see about taking care of that uterus."
alexandrite014 1 month ago
This reminds me of the whole "don't get sick if you're poor" thing when they refused any sort of decent healthcare reform. Just makes me sad, because they just don't seem to understand what it's like, or if they do, they're simply evil.
OptimusSkiver 1 month ago
...When all American so called Christians and Republicans become anti abortion AND anti death penalty, then I'll take them a little more seriously!
When a person is convicted and imprisoned, that is justice. Strapping them into an electric chair, a lethal injection machine, a gas chamber, or whatever method is employed, is revenge and contray to the 10 commandments. And "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" is arguably about self-defence when attacked, not state sponsored murder.
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
No groups as broad as those you characterize are going to all hold the same opinions...
"Until all humans start to analyze things critically, all of their opinions should be dismissed collectively and individually," makes as much sense... Fascist, you keep it coming...
"When a person is convicted & imprisoned it's justice," yeah, except when it's not which occurs quite often. The State isn't always "just" when it uses agents to try and charge others.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested "Eye for an eye" Is about proportional justice, not self-defense. Beat someone for assaulting someone, kill them for killing someone, take restitution for stealing from someone, etc.
Besides, what's the alternative to the death penalty? The cost of life imprisonment is far too high even in the best economic times. Maybe when we're well and truly beyond scarcity we can consider other options for the death penalty.
alexandrite014 1 month ago
@alexandrite014 People in prisons (and America has a higher % than *any other country in the world*) can work, learn skills, be rehabilitated (although not in an American jail), see their families (who also suffer when their loved ones are executed). They can help society.
People on death row suffer tremendously, and contribute very little to society, other than making wealthy lawyers richer.
Luckily even the tabloids can't persuade us to bring the death penalty back here.
spaceLem 1 month ago
@tetsubo57 - Agreed; charity, in terms of good causes (Red Cross, Oxfam, etc) will never take care of everything, especially during a recession.
However, one could define charity as paying taxes and agreeing for some of your taxes to help the poor and the needy, and also to fund universal healthcare for all. When I mentioned poor people do need charity, I was also referring to the usage of taxes to pay for universal healthcare for all, free at the point of use; i.e., like the UK NHS.
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord -
It irks me when USA and UK Government start illegal wars in (oil rich) countries. It irks me when so called Christians can be anti abortion and also pro death penalty! (I did not realise that "Thou Shall not commit murder" had a get-out clause! And before it is mentioned, I interpret "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" as self-defence, not an excuse to enact the death penalty). It irks me that health insurance is favoured over tax-funded universal healthcare!
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
I've already said I'm against wars, Christians, death penalty, and limited access to housing, food, health. I'm against limitations at all, as I promote post-scarcity economic models.
It irks me when people who are against war, death penalty, etc. are for murdering helpless viable fetuses because the mother was/is an idiot.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
Also, the death penalty is utilized through the State's "Monopoly on Violence" not because of religious considerations...
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested it irks us too. It's why 2% of the population (which isn't a bad number at all) have marched against the government over their illegal wars.
At least we have a national health system over here, and we (in most cases) don't put money above women's health.
spaceLem 1 month ago
cbsnews(dot)com/stories/2011/01/20/national/main7264945.shtml
There's some real "women's healthcare" from a private elective abortion provider.
Why are women going there in Philly rather than PP? There were at least 2 oversight agencies for these sort of abortion activities, why did they fail to inspect this clinic if they are so concerned with female reproductive health?
Do the live 8-month old babies not count as murders since labor was induced? Spare me.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord - You are a very rude and rather angry person; you are doing your fellow country men and women a disservice! Is this always how you argue with people?
I am a person of courage and conviction...or ego, as you like to call it!
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
Yeah, for some reason killing viable fetuses for money or ease irks me somewhat.
When I hear about people failing to use cheap or free prophylactics and then aborting in the third trimester it pisses me off, sure. I'm weird like that.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord - The USA healthcare system is still severely lacking in comparison to the UK healthcare system. The UK NHS is healthcare for all, rich or poor, as it is tax funded and not related to the ability to pay. We also have private healthcare, for those who wish to use it. But this runs alongside the NHS. If USA healthcare is so universal, then why do so many Americans not afford healthcare insurance?
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@tetsubo57 tets...it makes me pretty angry for anyone to reduce "women's health care" to "lopping this fetus off." Poor women can get health care at tax-funded clinics in every county-you even mentioned that our taxes fund charities that do health care. Are your social conservatives so catholic as to defund (county by county) health clinics that do everything but elective abortion? Would they defund PP if it stopped doing elective abortions (only 3%, small loss comp to govt funding)?
sakurabelarion 1 month ago
@sakurabelarion There are social conservatives in the US that would defund PP simply because they provide birth control.
tetsubo57 1 month ago
@tetsubo57 Those are the same people that went crazy when The Onion ran a bogus story about PP building a huge abortionplex. They're rubes, and unfortunately they vote and drag us all down with them.
Antiks72 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord - In case you did not realise, we also have the right to travel. Indeed, as part of the EU, I am able to travel across 26 other countries due to the EU open borders policy. Outside of the EU, I have to follow the entry laws of the country that I choose to enter and carry a UK passport, which is the same for most other nations. I'm not sure who TSA agents are!
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
I was referring the "US State" the Federal arm of the US. Try to read a bit more carefully before you vomit text...
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord - I come from England, where the English language comes from! I speak it well, being an ENGLISH man!
You hold very strong opinions and yet hide your Youtube channel. In my own opinion, that comes across like an act of cowardness; you also come across as very rude. My Youtube channel is freely available, my username is my name, and my profile picture is of me (albeit wearing vintage motorcycle goggles and a wide brimmed hat).
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
That /was/ the joke... pheeeew over his head it goes...
I don't really care what it comes across as, nor how you value anonymity.
Brava, you have a high level of ego to supplement you stupidity...
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord
your* rather
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDiscord This is what you typed "...Medicaid is tax-funded universal healthcare for those who require it". In the UK, the NHS is universal, in that it will provide healthcare for all who need it, regardless of whether you are rich or poor, and it is funded by taxation. Medicaid and similar in the UK is NOT as universal as you seemed to claim. And so many Americans cannot afford health insurance and so many find the cost bankrupts them! Go figure!
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
The US State guarantees freedom of speech, now we have free-speech zones, SOPA, ACTA, etc.
The US State guarantees a right to travel, yet you must have a license, you must be harrassed by TSA agents, etc.
The US State guarantees many things, and then has its power as arbitrator manipulated in order to achieve the ends of those who control the State (international corporations, global banking groups, etc.)
I prefer decentralized power for some reason...
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDiscord - I did not mention annonymity; I just mentioned that you have hidden your Youtube channel and I wondered why?
The USA so called healthcare is not as universal as the UK. As I understand it, Medicaid and similar are not as universal as you make out. In the UK, the NHS will treat anybody, rich or poor, from the homeless to billionares. If healthcare is as universal as you claim, why do so many Americans need health insurance and why do so many not afford it?
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
I hide my channel for purposes of anonymity, is that too hard for you to follow?
English not your first language? Aha, moving on...
I didn't argue it was universal, I specifically stated who it applied to, are you retarded or disingenuous? Not an ad hom, I'm being serious...
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord - ...Many Republicans dislike abortion, but these same Republicans also favour wars in (oil rich) countries, gun ownership, the death penalty, favouring expensive healthcare insurance over tax-funded healthcare, etc, AND many also have the cheek to call themselves Christian! Methinks they are far from Christian!
(I see you hide your channel; why so? Hiding in the shadows?)
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
Well, I'm against all war, especially aggressive ones. I'm for gun ownership, since an unarmed citizen is a slave. I favor free and open healthcare for everyone managed centrally by each state with no Federal intervention, I follow Hermes Trismegistus if any deity, so far from Christian indeed!
I enjoy anonymity, does that frighten you Fascist?
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord - The comment "They don't need charity if they're poor" must go down as one of the silliest ever expressed on Youtube! Poor people generally do need charity; something that the late Jesus of Nazareth would have agreed with.
The fact that the USA does not have tax-funded universal healthcare for all, regardless of the ability to pay (like the UK National Health Service), is one of the reasons why I never want to live in the USA!
markanthonyquested 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested It is a long-standing conservative myth that charity will take care of anything that they defund. But it is a myth. Charity has never provided the amount to cover the need. I was forestalling a social conservative telling me that charity would pick up the tab.
tetsubo57 1 month ago
@markanthonyquested
[Yawn] What a bevy of logical fallacies this topic produces...
Anyhoot, the clinic is giving them "charity" per se, but it's tax-funded not private "charity."
Medicaid is tax-funded universal healthcare for those who require it, there are also disability programs and many other local, county, state, and federal programs to assist the needy. Cameras on every corner, unarmed slave "citizenry," and extant Monarchy are a few of the reasons I avoid the UK.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
From comments so far elective abortion= female healthcare.
All other services can be derived from walk-in clinics or emergency rooms, including necessary abortion.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
hasn't anyone noticed the general poor population control thats going on? particularly your way in america, alot of processed foods... ie, the cheaper things we can afford, contain preservatives with a higher risk of causing things such as cancer, any useful information regarding health, or the ability to get treatment for ailments or injury is decided by income. sorry for the conspirational overtones, its just an observance
TV616 1 month ago
@TV616
Most of the PP "clinics" are conveniently placed in the black neighborhoods, they may as well offer a cash incentive for them to abort themselves. These kindly "progressives" (who are too stunted to have progressed to Neo-Liberalism yet I guess) always seem a bit eugenicistic to me...
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
I understand pushing against abortion, but i dont understand why someone would want to defund something that doesnt JUST do abortions.... that being said im so far from socially conservative, though i dont agree with abortion if its have abortion and feed children and make sure pregnant mothers are healthy abort the crap out of as many fetuses as you like.
falloutmnky 1 month ago
They don't need charity if they're poor, welfare systems and local clinics take care of them.
If you're conflating health-care with elective abortion then that's just absurd. Next the poor should be entitled to tit-jobs or penis enhancement surgery at that rate.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord You mean local clinics like Planned Parenthood?
tetsubo57 1 month ago
@tetsubo57
Nope, small general health clinics. Community health centers, etc.
I'm not sure what a snarky comment adds, I suppose you were just being rhetorical and not looking for actual discourse...
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord PP is a clinic used by a lot of women because it provides them access to the health care workers they like to see. My wife goes there for that reason. Heck, she's there right now. Defunding PP will limit women's options. Not every community has that many. This is an action that helps no one and harms the poor. The perfect social conservative act.
tetsubo57 1 month ago
@tetsubo57
Okay, they like the service and people... I don't see how good HR/PR is held only by PP. It would limit options just as removing any business entity from the market "limits options." Actually, it might increase options since local clinics could provide reproductive services sans elective abortions, rather than facing a State-funded near monopoly...
It helps thousands of children get born rather than murdered.
Would you like to abort pregnant homeless cats and dogs?
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord Thank you for clearing that up. You are anti-choice. No one has ever been 'murdered' by PP. Have a nice day.
tetsubo57 1 month ago
@tetsubo57
What about fetuses placed on shelves by clinics?
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord Someone didn't watch the video. Abortion is 3% of what planned parenthood does. They provide counciling, Birth control, Gynecological services, STD screenings, etc. And it isn't just for the "poor" their services are available to anyone. Millions of people don't have health insurance and don't have the money just laying around to spend thousands of dollars on a visit to a doctor. Kindly go be ignorant somewhere else.
Wasparcher1 1 month ago
@Wasparcher1
Actually, I watched the entire video, you're far too presumptuous...
My first sentence addressed general healthcare "They don't need charity if they're poor, welfare systems and local clinics take care of them."
He was addressing healthcare sans charity for the poor, I did so in turn. Perhaps it was you who didn't view the video in full/critically?
Walk-in/"free" clinics do STD screenings, condoms, gyno, etc.
Kindly don't be a Fascist.
PriestofDischord 1 month ago
@PriestofDischord The US has THE SMALLEST public welfare system in the developed world. Figure that one out.
lambastedpolemic 1 month ago