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  • Did he really need to go SSJ to defeat the Ginyu Force? I mean.. really.

  • He's just powering up. All saiyans can do that it isn't limited to super saiyans.

  • Not quite. The footage of him actually transforming into SSJ was from the next episode preview from the last episode (as seen in the Dragon Box sets). However, the producers didn't want Pikkon to see his transformation until the tournament, so they made a sloppy last minute touch-up to make it seem as if he were just powering up. In short, he didn't transform in the original Japanese version, either, at least, not in the final cut.

  • it's Kaioh-Ken

  • It's not a super saiyan Transformation. he just powers up.

  • @MrMillerboy6 No in hell he can't transform

  • I like how pikkon trashes cell like nothing (you know, the guy who goku couldn't beat 1v1) then loses to goku during the tournament.

    I love the show, but the plot holes are seriously bad. It's almost like it was written by someone with the attention span of a 2nd grader.

  • I think its just a powerup that is almost super saiyan . . . a powerup thats all :)

  • @calico2000jack yes you're right

  • no is a error of episode

  • Does anyone else think that it is sad that Goku had to go super saiyan to defeat the ginyu force? And that pikkon did not need to transform at all to crush cell and freiza. I just think it was unecessary or maybe it was just for him to show off.

  • @grimmrevelationn well you have to remember they have been down there for a good long time and have had time to train, so i could see goku using it to drop them quickly

  • It was a normal super saiyan.

    it was just edited to look that way, so it seems like goku was hiding normal super saiyan

  • wat song

    

  • what episode is this

  • He did go SSJ in this clip, but only in the Japanese version. When it hit in the states, they switched up the color animation cause they wanted Goku to save his SSJ powers until he fought Pikkon. So no, it's not "False SSJ" that's a stupid assumption, but then again it is FILLER so all of this shouldn't even matter.

  • its a false super sayian moron

  • maybe it wasnt a mistake, maybe he just normally powered up with the saiyan power :/

  • what ep is this?

  • I kind of like the idea of not becoming SSJ here. one reason: Goku doesn't need SSJ to defeat The Ginyu Force. If he had transformed AFTER Cell went towards him than it would have made a lot more sense

  • The writers had a last minute decision in the eng version to keep SSJ a secret from pikkon, so they digitally changed goku's hair and eyes to black, it was not the False SSJ form, but it was ot the real SSJ either.

  • you guys look too deep into dbz sometimes. all this time i thought the animators just tried something different by making him power up to almost a ss. apparently this is just the english version though. there is no false ss its all made up bologna

  • Ijust think he didnt feel the need to fully go ssj kaioken x20 would have been enough let alone false ssj idont think it was a mistake

  • @hajimenoippopower2 you know that he defeated most of those guys from team ginyu without a sweat in his normal state even before he transformed for the first time into a ssj right? so he shouldnt need ANY power up to defeat them all after so many years dont you agree?

  • 11 people cant go super sayain

  • The False SSJ actually wasnt taken purely from the english dub. The transformation was shown in both. The True Super Saiyan transformation was actually only shown in a japanese commercial, before the episode was finished. The change was decided in post production, too late to redraw/animate the scenes, but not too late to recolor his hair.

  • mistake that or he was just charging his ki

  • false ssj is red hair with totally white eyes black hair ssj is known as the ascended sayian or semi-super sayian

  • @BenShumkov221 That can't be more freaking wrong. An false SSJ give Goku a power boost, but it doesn't give him red hair. He stays normal but the only thing that changes is the color of the aura. His eyes don't change either. And a Ascended Super Saiyan's hair stays just like a normal Super Saiyan.. It just gives him a power spike of energy. Ultra Super Saiyan is above Ascended Super Saiyan and gives Goku bulky muscles and also a power spike in energy.

    Learn your facts, fool.

  • @FuzzyTaco45 you're the fool here i said ascended sayian not ascended super sayian you douche and tha false super sayian's hair is red and the eyes are white so watch more dbz you douche

  • @BenShumkov221 you motherfucker, a false super saiyan's hair stays the same, it's just the color of the aura that changed to yellow, bitch

  • @FuzzyTaco45 so were gonna go from trash to mega trash talking i'm not arguing anymore got it

  • @BenShumkov221 Nope, red ki and white eyes are Kaioken spesific.

    Fake super saiyan (or half SSJ) is gold ki, white eyes and black SSJ 1 hair.

    Watch the Namek Slug movie and you'll see, or just search goku fake ssj.

  • @ZeroXadvenTz its yellow ki red ahir and white eyes

  • I like the black SSJ or as known False SSJ since it makes his transformation against Pikon in the world tournament that much more epic. Gives it that feeling that Goku didn't want to show what he was fully capable of infront of Pikon here. Like a taste of his hidden powers you know? So in my opinion I actually like what the English dub did here.

  • maybe he just tapped into his ssj powers?

  • it call half super sayain it mean you just use half of it power

  • @darktochiro Wth? There's no such thing as a Half Saiyan. They screwed up. Pikkon was never supposed to see Goku as a Super Saiyan until the tournament. Which is why it was later edited out.

  • @FutureGohanSSJ2 makes 100% sense.

  • @FutureGohanSSJ2 no that was a half super sayian it you don't what is watch the lord slug movie and you will see

  • @darktochiro ...Lord Slug... was a disgraceful attempt by the animators to try to spoil what SSJ was. It was THEIR idea of what it was supposed to have been. -_- And it was fail. Like that whole movie

  • this is the Ascended Saiyan form half of a super saiyan

  • esque solo uso un poco de su energia no esque se ayan equibokado LOL!

  • naa....goku didnt feel like wasting energy going super so he only went half way :D he was able to defeat all those lower guys without going super while on namek...so why would he do it now!!

  • Mistake. They forgot last second that Pikkon wasn't suppose to see goku's ssj transformation until the tournament.

  • seen it

    

  • what episode is this from?

  • bad religion is awesome

  • what episode?

  • WTF that is Super weird haha get it ahhh...... I am so alone

  • Yeeeah, gold hair makes a better looking transition.

  • The reason why goku's hair isn't yellow is because their in a different universe

  • @TheNarutix23 Nor his eyes

  • @TheNarutix23 he goes blonde later on bud thats not it

  • He did it so pikkon couldn't totally see all of his power

  • He was probably preparing to fight Frieza and Cell.

  • behold the 0.5 super saiyan!

  • what are you talkin about...its ssj4....for some reason

  • Actually, it was a last-minute decision to keep Goku's Super Saiyan powers hidden from Pikkon rather than a simple coincidence, thus his hair was digitally altered from gold to black and his eyes from green to black. (In the original Japanese promo for the episode, Goku's hair turns gold and eyes turn green.) The aura was oddly untouched. Nice Try! Do some research before putting up a partly shown video.

  • super kayoken?

  • actually in the Japanese version of this scene his hair is blonde. For some reason funimation changed it

  • He probably increased his speed just enough to punch them all at once. We saw a slow-mo version.

  • Woah, woah, time out! The english version has nothing to do with this! Goku was supposed to be Super Saiyan originally, but Toei decided to change it last minute in order to save his SSJ reveal to Pikkon when they fight in the tournament.

    The footage of his blonde SSJ was seen only in the next episode preview, proving it was a last-min change (and why you don't see the whole fight in this video)

    But seriously, his hair was black in all versions of the episode, which includes the japanese.

  • this yellow aura is missing yellow hair because goku is not even attempting to become ssj in this vid if youve seen other episodes he does this too hes just so strong his base form is as powerful as his ssj form when fighting cell its just hes using more power which results in ssj aura

  • so in the japanese episode of the black goku was ssj in the japanese?

  • I think he powered up as a super sayian and when he powered up his hair went up but did not transform i think It his aura of super saiyan like I think he in his base form his strong as a super sayian I think

  • he being Captain Ginyu, sorry I forgot to mention

  • he didn't transform. He powered up. There's a difference

  • could be high tension.. than super ssj. ;)

  • it's just a dub error period. it's also filler anyway. when goku fought the ginyu force his base power level was somewhere between 60,000 and 90,000. when he fought freeza his base power level was like 3 million. this base goku is even stronger. he wouldn't even need to powerup to slap the ginyu force in base.

  • @Shoddragon where do u get these pwrlvls? Same place Leroy Jenkis friend got his number crunch?

  • @keenmachine80 the Daizenshuu and the manga. Upon hearing about how easily goku whooped his team's ass, he made an estimation that goku's power level is around 60,000. using this as a minimum, goku used kaioken times 3 in order to reach the famous power level of 180,000. I said that 90,000 would be his max in base since that would mean using KK X 2, the lowest one he can use. the daizenshuu put goku's base against free at 3mil with the super saiyajin multiplier being 50.

  • @Shoddragon Cool story brah, needs more dragon balls tho. :)

  • @Shoddragon GOku didnt use the kaioken x3 it was just kaioken,next time listen to what he says.

  • guys the japanes made the mistake not the english dub, the japanese made the mistake of making goku a super sayan wen fighting the ginyu force, something he shouldnt have done. the english only made goku power up with yellow aura. yellow aura and no blond hair doesnt mean anything, he could just have tht wen he powers up

  • that is called super kaiyoken

  • ITS PROBABLY BSSJ NEFORE SUPER SAIYAN JIN

  • Why would they edit the english version with black hair? Sigh, the weird things they do with the english dubs :/

  • im soooooo srry i only watche3d the english dub

  • no u dildo he went up to super sayains power level but did not transform -__-

  • That´s transform isn´t false..

    Is A Legendary Ssj Transform, Like Broly got green hair?

    

  • A black SSJ= The end of the world.

  • it was a filler and they wanted it to look cool that's all, no mistakes no new super saiyan powers, closest thing to it is the fight he had against slug, which again was made by other people with toriyamas help. when movies are made knowing what the future stories gonna be they sometimes incoporate it into a movie, this also answers the "first" gear second fiasco in One Piece

  • Mystic Goku :P

  • he was hiding hes ssj golden hair thats all

  • SSJ 4 is comeing, oh its comeing so sooon :DDDDDDDDDDDDD

  • he released his super saiyan powers just with out transforming

  • i read that in the english dub goku did not want to show pikkon the ssj before the fight

  • Guys...That transformation is called Super Kayoken

  • @Razorz1129 No.. If you watch the janemba movie, He has the red aura with him.

  • @listernjack Ahh thats right...I see

    

  • guys.. this is an ascended saiyan.. as seen in the movie with lord slug..

    It's the transformation right before super saiyan. It's no mistake..

  • ill just put it as he was already used to the ssj form that he was accidently close to transforming into ssj without really trying to do so....yea thats how tough he is xD

  • I thought he powerd up to a FSSJ ;x

  • Lets just say he powered up with a yellow aura.

  • maybe it was a super kaioken maybe a level right under ssj just enough to make sure he kicked there asses lol

  • either its a mistake, or in the english dub, it was just a normal power up, ie not as far as super saiyan

  • he did the same thing when he fought slug before he was actually a ssj

  • I say that when they made the DVD for the English Version they messed up and accidentally re colored Goku's hair and eyes to black

  • I'd say its mystic Goku

  • I think he powered up and thanks to the yellow background, and how power up waves that tien , goku, and piccolo and ect. his white waves looked yellow

  • If u guys are still arguing about power levels u actually can't read them bc they trained for a long time and it never read there power levels so SMD

  • lol English DBZ over japanese DBZ any day for 1 voice actors in English are slot better especially gokus japanese voice actor sounded like a little boy

  • kinda like that, doesnt seem like some ubermensch nazi anymore

  • Wow whadda you know, the bad guys had halos!

  • @IgnitionJump By that logic all thier powers were heavily supressed so that still doesnt explain why he went to SSj for the ginyu force yeah cell was there but so was freiza and pikkon dident need to take off His gear to even bother fighting them.

    Its all just Filler bad writing and inconsistency

  • i thought black hair ss look cool

  • what episode is this?

  • i dont see why he would need to transform to fight the ginyus anyway he kicked there arses without it before and dident even really try

  • @KrimHyu i know. it's retarded

  • @KrimHyu He wanted to show some off to Picon; impress him. Didn't you see the wink and smaile he made at him?

  • @AmeanAF No and i really dont think the writers of filler put much attention in to the whole scenario i mean its bound to be the same jackasses that wrote the movies.

  • False SSJ Is A Legendary super saiyan transformation.'

    Like Mystic Gohan!

  • I just figured Goku had his power as high as it could be right on the verge of going SSJ but not going SSJ know what I mean?

  • @XxAtomic646xX i know what you mean i always thought that to

  • @XxAtomic646xX I thought the same thing

  • @XxAtomic646xX you think goku had his power high for the False SSJ but not SSJ

  • @XxAtomic646xX That' what's known as a "false" super saiyan That's what he did when he fought Lord Slug. The aura is yellow but the hair is not chnged and the muscle mass it not either

  • acually ... it is just unnecessary to turn into a ssj at that moment. whether black or gold. I think he would have kicked even cells ass, without turning into a ssj after all the trainingt in the other world

  • @Cloudlife12

    No I don't think he could have because Goku hadn't started training yet. =)

  • its false super saiyan watch the movie DBZ lord slug he dose the same thing

  • @rus191 its not false super saiyan dude

  • @flipemonster88 it is false super saiyan?? Watch the movie Dragon ball Z - Lord slug ???

  • @ChrizXXXXXX noo the japanese color is yellow and he turns false super sayjin when hes really mad and false ssj is a bit of orange colord

  • @flipemonster88 yeah okay.

  • why the hell did Goku even need to go super saiyan against the Ginya force anyway? I think he was feeling lazy.......

  • @MrKurrar or he just wanted to get it over with, or he could go ssj2 and just flick them

  • Bad Religion :D

  • ummm its not a super sayan form its just a power ummm its so clear how would u miss that

  • Yo this thing ain't any mistake because if it was a mistake than when goku fought Python and turned ssj phython would not be as suprised in the transformation. Though since goku turned false ssj python was surprised in the otherworldly tournaments when he turned a full super sayain... Duh

  • @Skaterboy0321 Who the fuck is "Python"? O.o

  • @IncredibleMaho That's Pikkon.....the green alien Goku befriends in Otherworld

  • @JadenYukifan28 I know he meant Pikkon, I was just trolling.

  • @IncredibleMaho I kinda figured that...lol

  • @IncredibleMaho you can tell he transformed into a Super Saiyan though...which is cool...but still..

  • stupid fuckin song

  • episode?

  • Its called western racism...

  • fallo de imprenta seguro

  • @ttho89 he just powered up instead of going ssj to look more powerful?

  • this isnt a super sayan form its just a power up

  • @TheZombieKing2 yeah dude but still, when he just powers up his "aura" is light blue or so not yellow...

    anyway it's stup!d that they edited his hair and eyes, he looks a lot coller when SSJ than normal :D

  • @AnToNiSG9L all i know is that isnt a ssj form and i think it looks kinda kewl

  • what episode was this? xD

  • @LolRoflLamoHaa

    it was a movie " the fight with janemba" and its called fusion reborn

  • @LastBattlerX Ohhhh, tyty

  • @anoki1234 shut up no lifer you haven't said any usefull word ..quiet..

  • @anoki1234 i said gtfo nolifer

  • @anoki1234 gtfo moron

  • It was a mistake, they wanted to keep the Transformation hidden until Goku's fight with Pikkon as a surprise.

  • It is false ssj ffs -.- gotta hatenoobs

  • I think in the english dub they were like: "Hey wait a sec. In the Namek saga, didn't goku pwn them without SSJ? Now he's at least 10 times as strong as that.... He doesn't need friggin SSJ. Make the hair black."

  • maybe they just wanted to make it look like an aura burst in the english

  • he looks cooler that way just my opinion.

  • he didn't need to power up on namek

  • I THINK HE JUS POWERED UP, IVE WATCHED THIS WAY BACK IN THE DAY ON MY TAPES

  • He Is Just Powering Up He Isn't Becoming A Super Saiyan Or Else

  • actually he controlled the hair colouring change cuz he wanted to hide it from pikkon

  • he didnt go super saiyan he powered up

  • he is ssj its jus in da Japanese version his hair goes yellow but for some reason in the dubs they left it black

  • @angeldyn no in the dubs its yellow idk what dubs ur watching

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  • @xXxXAssassin yea genius im talkin bout this scene in da video da people at funimation made a mistake and left his hair black but in da jap version this scene his hair is yellow, obviously u didnt pay attention 2 wat da guy wrote in da video cuz he clearly states dat 0:52

  • This part is filler anyways.

  • eu vi isso cara ninguem tinha notado nao sei como

  • that makes sense

  • goku was probably powering up without being a super saiyan and instead of making the aura gray they made it yellow.

  • Basically in the english Dub they wanted Pikkon to be surprised when Goku transformed into SSJ. So they went in and digitally edited Goku's hair and eyes so that he appears to be normal, but they coudln't redo his hair into his normal styling, hence he looks like a SSJ with black hair.

  • @HalcyonSkies another thing is that maybe they thought it wouldn't be needed for goku too turn ssj against the ginyu force i mean he's much much much stronger than them...he could take Frieza in his normal form...

  • @777Roxen That's quite possible, however I believe he did it to end the fight as quickly as possible. Using your full power from the start means you aren't screwing around. I mean, who wants to spend all day in HFIL? Haha.

  • @HalcyonSkies still he could have done it in his normal form in the same amount of time but your right it had too have been because of pikkon it's either your explanation or mine...one of em's right but oh well haha

  • @777Roxen Haha, or both of them are right?

  • @HalcyonSkies or they couldve changed the aura red to look like kaio ken

  • @HalcyonSkies Don't forget the fact that they also left in the Yellow aura as well