Hitchens/Wilson sneak peek

[goldstead]

There is no fair debate against this braiwashed religious nutcase. Its a push-over for Hitchens. No intelligent person believes in angels, miracles, virgin births and an eternal afterlife with an imaginary magic boss in the sky.

[Jester2415]

Wicked editing!... props

[wowheed]

he is the Daddy, "nuff said"

[inquirethetruth]

I know I'm not the first to ask, but I must know: does ANYBODY know the name and/or artist of the song?

[man4ourseason]

I am on Facebook and John Piper has turned off his comments on this video. Is it possible that a man as famous as John Piper is afraid of the scripture passages posted by an old retired truck driver? I never would have guessed.

[rickballance]

Title of the music track at the end is

Wilderness Crew - Perfect Match

Search on youtube. ;)

Jesus Christ at least one more month...

Why does this take so long, the debate was already aired in March to test audiences - and it was said there will only be a few minor editings. Someone is definitely sitting around and playing with his willy while we are doomed to wait. XD

[jenglis9]

Hitchens has NEVER been beaten. I wish Wilson well, and he is a great debator himself, but Hitchens is the undisputed champ, he is Muhammad Ali, he is Michael Jordan, he is Wayne Gretzky, he is frickin MOZART on the debate floor

[jamesburdette]

I dare you to watch the videos of his debate with William Lane Craig at BIOLA university. It is my humble opinion that he got mutilated by Craig.

[jenglis9]

I have watched those and I would agree Craig does very well, better than most others on his own side, but I still see Hitchens as the undisputed winner.

[Dhalsim06]

Hahaha its a James Bond flick!!!!

[rickballance]

In September? God damn it that's eons.

[joshkarchmer]

The film will be released in September and available for pre-order in a few weeks. Release date announcement coming soon.

[ezmereldagreen]

' this is a wicked cult and its high time we left it behind' GO christopher!!!! his words are like a cool mountain stream on a hot day....

[alexgmartin111]

Does anyone know the title of this song Its been in my head for a few days now, thankyou in advance.

[lucretius123]

yeah, i want to know too

[rmeddy1]

When is this coming out?

[zakiechan]

The music, with the clips of Hitchens with his sunglasses make him look like a total bad ass (which he is).

[tekproxy]

My thoughts exactly.

[scythe747]

The music here is a bit out of place for the film's subject, I think. But I laughed.

[WillSKB88]

Me too!

[vegansquared]

I think I just made goo goo in my pants. Can't wait to see this!

[jamesjohnking]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one! ;-)

[superdupersimon]

who was the musician behind that track that was playing throughout?

[Mike3303]

They premiered it on Friday. Don't know when it's going to be available for the rest of us, though.

[jamianm]

Wish I could have ran into Hitchens standing there in 30th St. Station

[kaduisaui]

This "Film" might be a snore fest if they debate over same shit over and over...God is real, God is fake bla bla bla. What I want to see is Hitchens breaking out copies of all the death threats he has received from so called religious leaders and compare those to the death threats Wilson has received from atheists if there are any. Expose the hypocrisies and vile attempts at silencing voices of logic by religions. All religions must be mocked, laughed at and labeled correctly as fiction.

[Biocarbs]

cool track. what is it? hitchens rules

[dreamextreme7]

hitchens is a scary guy to verbaly tango with.

[rationalskeptic7718]

So we're now debating over which fairy tale is more accurate? Priceless.

[RedBeetle]

rationalskeptic,

Your name is a contradiction is terms.

That's priceless.

[rationalskeptic7718]

For some reason the phrase, "Slug bug" comes to mind.

[ayesee]

...rational and skeptic are contradictory? Rational refers to anything based on or consistent with logic and reason... skepticism can be defined as trusting in nothing but indisputable facts and logical/intellectual arguments which have a sound and indisputable grounding in concrete fact. How can anyone consider these to be contradictory?

[RedBeetle]

Douglas Wilson is not a Christian. He is a proponent of the heresy of Federal Vision, which teaches that man is justified by faith and works. This is Roman Catholic soteriology.

Gary Demar is supporting Wilson in this venture, and James White is now associating with Gary Demar (taking pleasure cruise/seminars as advertised on his Alpha and Omega website).

Don't be fooled by cheap imitations.

Read John Calvin.

[kf6dqu]

I can tell your the kind of guy who would have a micro denomination of yourself.  If Clark was around, he would be ashamed of your behavior sir.

[RedBeetle]

Take your Federal Vision/Van Tilian nonsense back to the Roman Catholic Church where it belongs. Vipers like you could care less what John Calvin or Gordon H. Clark taught, for such vipers support Catholic dogma, not Calvinism.

[kf6dqu]

God is not Greek. Have you actually listened to the 2002 conference that started this whole mess?

[RedBeetle]

Indeed I have. Every PCA church in my area adopted justification-by-faith-and-wor­ks, and they did so publicly, just as soon as Joe Morecraft published his "Call To Repentance."

Doug Wilson, his followers, and let us not forget his evil denomination known as C.R.E.C., are not Christianns.

[traviskurtz]

What does this have to do with anything from this clip? Everything you say may be true but if you want to attack Wilson from this post you must attack the Transcendental Argument for God. Do you think Luther's argument against the Catholic Church was rotten because of his disdain for the Jews? Stay on task RedBeetle!

[RedBeetle]

My objections to Wilson in this debate are relevant, for Wilson claims to be a representative of Calvinism, but he is not. Wilson's theology is opposed to Calvinism, he had to create his own denomination (C.R.E.C.) in order to safely maintain his heresy. Other defrocked men, like R.C. Sproul Jr. have been flocking to C.R.E.C. ever since.

He is not a presuppositionalist, for he holds to the "transcendental argument." This faulty argument places him in the evidentialist camp--by definition!

[traviskurtz]

When one presupposes something one isn't grounding it on evidence. So Bahnsen was an evidentialist, never heard that before.

[RedBeetle]

Van Til and Bahnsen claimed to be presuppositional, but then gave arguments for God's existence--contradicting their original claim. Presuppositionalists, by definition, argue not for God's existence

Van Til claimed the classical arguments were valid in "some" sense, though he NEVER explained.

Arguing God exists from the impossibility from the contrary (Van Til's transcendental argument) is absurd, for contraries can both be false. Van Til and Bahnsen didn't understand basic logic.

[DonJulioBlanco2002]

Did I just hear an apparently sane, educated man state that "death and suffering is a consequence of our rebellion against God"??!!!

Unbelievable. Hitchens should have called his taxi right then.

[BlueCuzco]

This comment might be a little more helpful if the author would explain why an educated person would not make such a statement, especially since this comment implies that the entire intellectual establishment of the church for (approximately) the last 1600 years has held this view and for much of that time held a monopoly on literature and education in Western Chistendom.

[DonJulioBlanco2002]

Yes, I would expect someone in the Middle Ages to say something like this, but not a sane person in the year 2008.

All animals suffer and die. Human beings are animals. Therefore we suffer and die. QED, sans deity.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing - Anatole France.

"If church intellectuals believed something was true for 1,600 years, it doesn't mean we should still believe it today." -- Me

[mensuman]

what is this song? i searched the lyrics (the ones i could understand) but i can't find anything.

[me5o]

I've seen plenty of Hitch's debatesand I have to say, Wilson was probably his easiest opponent so far. Yes, even suckier than Al Sharpton.

"I believe the miracles in the Bible (but not the Quran for example) because I believe in the Bible"

At least usually the faith-heads can be a bit more convincing about their irrationality.

[PrexicKehdaki]

lol, i've never seen a trailer for a debate.. that's pretty cool. It's about time we start doing promos for things that actually matter

and ya, i'm rooting for hitchens (not that i need to, he's untouchable)

[bcmalloy]

hahaha classic wilson got hammered LIKE EVERY RELIGIOUS PERSON ACTING AS IF FAITH IS SOMEHOW EQUAL TO FACT.

[gjacobson1]

You mean like how rabid evolutionists exercise "faith" to "explain" the universe's origins (e.g. like Dawkins did with ben stein--oh, that was very convincing to all thinking and sentient persons!)? If so, I see your point. Maybe you can define "faith" and "fact" for us. And as you do so, be careful not to beg the very questions you accuse Wilson et al. of begging.

[JACKtheRIPP3R189]

"evolutionists excercise "faith" to "explain" the universe's origins"

Are you simple? Evolution says nothing of the origins of the universe, hell you arent even in the right field. Evolution is related to biology and genetics, not astronomy. Then again we all know what a towering masterpiece Ben Stein's "film" was dont we (snickering)?

[pietari73]

"Basically, debate like this.... ":) Finally we`ll see something worthwhile in the Youtube. Hitchens is really intelligent man, no doubt about that (love his honesty!), but Wilson has the answers the chosen ones are looking for :)

[DonJulioBlanco2002]

"This is a wicked cult..." ha ha, Hitch destroys.

[geologyr0cks]

Hitchens, as usual, will dominate.

[BrandenisGreat]

I like debates about religion, apart from the question of deity. In a debate about religion a more textured perspective emerges, for instance, consider the diversity of idol worship in the world: from the crucifix and the virgin mother to tabloid magazines and B-Movie Icons; the biographies of saints and great men? In the commandment not to worship idols an easy one to follow? Of course not! In fact Aristotle recommends that we cobble together our ideal for ourselves by consecrating great lives.

[bhagopian004]

to mongobobo:

what makes a debate about religion more worthwhile than this debate? How are debates about religion and debates to prove existence of God so different?

[dragonlordx1]

Looks like an awesome preview, but is there any video's of Hitchens debating a mullah or an imam? I never seen any yet.

[stuntsnyc]

i like christopher hitchens, but both he and that other dude are way too fat!

man, stop worrying about god for 2 minutes, and just go on a diet... too fat, jeez!

[Christopholese]

Man - those shots of the inside of their noses is really bad cinematography... spare us.

[mongobobo]

These debates are pointless and stupid. You can NOT provide any evidence for the existence of any deities. Now if you want to debate where religion provides worthwhile traditions and culture... that is a different story.

[JACKtheRIPP3R189]

I'm pretty sure its about whether religion does the world any good or not. Debating gods existence is a futile gesture, no proof for it, but they think that their hypothesis (unlike all others) deserves to be assumed true until disproven.

[Voltajavi]

Might be so but it still creates intellectual stimuli, which make it a win win situation

[ultraviolet99]

Luckily that's not what they're debating about. Keep up the good work.

[BlueCuzco]

You are partially correct. Because a god would be, by definition, metaphysical and outside the bounds of the Universe, it could not be tested or in any way understood by science. (C.S. Lewis made this point about fifty years ago.) Because of this, the existence of God can be neither proven nor disproven scientifically. In debates like these, science should only be mentioned when looking into a particular aspect of religion.

[jameswp266]

it's a really good piece of music to put to it actually. really gives it some edge. i hope they don't go overkill on that style in the documentary though

[GasparoContarini]

Haha, I like the choice of music...

[libris39]

who cares. these are two clowns and they should be treated as such.

[nhallo]

Oh, and btw, Hitchens DID own Wilson from all I have read!

[nhallo]

This debate was held Oct. 31, 2008. A documentary of the debate will be released in March, 2009.

[samjazz84]

i have never seen a debate about religion depicted in such a hip manner as it is here in the preview

[hoggdawn]

What gives this debate validity is the rap-music soundtrack. Deep philosophical arguments mean nothing if not accompanyied by some serious head-banging music. Rock on!

[HastaFatum]

"I do say that Wilson most certainly possesses formidable beard." - Christopher Hitchens

OOOOOH LAWD LOOKS LIKE HITCH HAS MET HIS MATCH

[HumanStrategy]

March 2009? wtf?

[caplab80]

Thanks foucachon, his conclusion would seem somewhat incompatible with scripture. God came down pretty harshly on Ramses, the Egyptian, now was that for the enslavement itself or his treatment of slaves or was it for Ramses worshiping a false idol. Supposing Moses had become pharoah and gave more grain to the slaves would it have then been ok for him to have god's people enslaved. Just throwing that out there.

[caplab80]

Has anyone read Wilson's "Southern Slavery, As It Was". I heard it says slave owners were godly men.

[foucachon]

It has been re-published recently as "Dark and Tan" by Canon Press.

People have distorted what he has said. He was saying something more to the effect that it was possible for there to be an owner of slaves who was a compassionate godly man, and who treated his "slaves" more like family. This was very common, even if slavery is a horrible institution. Think "The Patriot" and their servants (who in reality would have been slaves). Doug Wilson is, *of course*, completely anti-slavery.

[iPwn007]

Objection! Hearsay!

[Voltajavi]

please....he did not

[GodoftheGeeks]

I cannot fathom Hitchens losing but I am still really excited to see this debate.

[foucachon]

hehe, you've not heard Wilson debate :)

[DonkyKong8765]

if there is one person on this earth who i never want to see myself come face to face with in a debate, its hitchens.

[wrathofgod8668]

When is the full vid?

[foucachon]

March 2009

[wrathofgod8668]

Ok thanks,shame we have to wait that long

[RichJ66]

Looking forward to this.

[dylanzwick]

OK. I'm a big Hitchens fan and I'm excited about the film, but COME ON! How exciting can a drive from the airport be?

[jag305]

Wow, this music sounds like it's from a WWE teaser and we're looking at two old chubby white guys who are going to argue about religion. Awesome. :)

[bpvalentine]

I love Hitchens, but I am tired of hearing him talk about religion. I completely agree with his point of view. But that's why I'm bored with it. Seems ever since his book came out, I hear about little else from him.

...and I highly doubt anyone ever "owned" Hitchens, ha.

[nandomark]

I haven't seen the debate, but it would be sad if that guy "owned" Hitchens.

[nandomark]

Hitchens is great, but who is the other guy and why should we care about him?

[bleustilton]

To say he was "owned" is a stretch to say the least.  But it was a good little constructive exchange.

[foucachon]

He is the author of several books that have responded to atheists, and an able debater. I have heard him debate at least one atheist, and have a few of his books on the subject. I think you can agree that Hitchen's has a formidable foe in Wilson. The only thing he lacks is a British accent.

[jamesstephenbrown]

As a film maker I am soooo jealous I didn't make this film.

[streetrollersusa]

Awesome - can't wait!

[justinjoehyde]

The song is "Unintended Consequences" by Legion of Doom. Thanks, Darren! Can't wait for the film.

[todaysprogramming]

hah!

sorry, i'm sure other's have asked this, but can someone tell me the song in this?

[burt0045]

that was like a movie preview...NICE!

[GodoftheGeeks]

Looks awesome! I am looking forward to it.

[YawnGod]

Hitchens needs a beard. He looks too...fucking ugly without one. With one he looks more like Welles. And that's always a plus.

[jeffbrown8]

Death and suffering is a consequence of our rebellion against God Genesis says. I now know that death came before "Adam". The real truth about our origins is that for 200,000 years years at least, human beings have died early by the age of 25, from starvation, microbes, child labor, and dentition. So now we have agriculture for the last 30,000 years, and we have scientific knowledge that has given us medicines against microbes.

[wergo22]

I also would like to know what the song in the video is.

[the4thskoot]

very pumped for this

[BillClintonn]

What's the song in this video?

[Stipoon]

Can the whole debate be found somewhere ?

[heyoooooooo0]

"Death and suffering are a consequence of our rebellion against god"......sounds like we have another falwell emulator. I wonder if he thinks 9/11 was the end result of too much homosexuality as well.

[WillS1111111]

Yeah, we all know that death and suffering have nothing to do with God but are in fact the consequence of randomness and nothingness. Who are those Christians to think that life and death have meaning and purpose?

[ayesee]

A devout Christian would be a hypocrite to claim that he has notions that life and death have purpose. Christian doctrine dictates that this life is meaningless save for the giving of glory to God-- we were created sick, born condemned, and then commanded to be well and to spend a lifetime praying forgiveness for our God given afflictions. THAT is true meaninglessness. I much prefer the notion that this life is more than just a test, and that my life will be as valuable as I make it.

[WillS1111111]

ayesee, to be fair Christians believe that God created them good (Gen 1:31) and that the afflictions were self afflicted wounds. For them Christ is needed to fix what they broke (not God). In other words, in the Christian worldview, we become fully human (with meaningful lives, purpose, and direction) when we follow the one that made us.

But we all know that only a goofball would follow such ideas of creation and Creator. Randomness and purposelessness is where it is at, right?

[ayesee]

To be fair, Christians believe that God created them to be mindless sloths whom did nothing but gorge themselves in the Garden of Eden and were content to be totally ignorant of the world around them. For daring to eat from the tree of knowledge came a form of celestial McCarthyism that dictated that the child should bear the sins of their mother and father. The former life of slovenly ignorance is just as meaningless as a life dedicated to repenting for the sins of people you've never met.

[WillS1111111]

Actually that is not a fair description of Christianity at all.

But who cares about truth when we are all just random products of evolution, right?

[LogicSpeaks]

The truth? You obviously know nothing about evolution when you state that we are all just random products of it. Every religious person such as your self claims they' followthe correct formof christianity. Yes, what Ayesee said is for themost partcorrect - the only thing he didnt do was say it the way you "wanted" it said. Obviously it sounds negative, but thats exactly what christianity is. The tree of knowledge was not correct? What else do you think that meant? You don't believe in orig sin?

[Kthonix]

Yes, let's imagine a nonsensical father figure to explain things by magic. Extremely useful. As useful as it was with Zeus and Ra. If you believe God created you, how do you explain the 199.9 billion other sperm shot in your dad's wad?

[baillou2]

I totally agree. Who the hell do they think they are. They write off everything as God's will so they don't have to take responsibility for their own actions.

Death and suffering indeed have nothing to do with God... or the tooth fairy for that matter. Death and suffering are a consequence of our rebellion against each other. If anything the notion of God helps with the death and suffering. Just say its the lords will that someone dies, and that makes it okay. Gotta love religion!!!!

[johnnicely]

Actually, he would probably say that our rampant sexual sin is God's judgment already on us, just like Romans 1 says - "Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen." (Romans 1:24-25, ESV)

[johnnicely]

Whoops... That didn't show up under the other comment. It was in response to the one guy making a crack at him apparently being another "falwell emulator"...

[Hethrin]

What's with all this Hitchens automatic winning? They already had an internet debate and Hitchens got stomped.

[TousVous]

It's HITCH, BITCH!

lol jk I just love saying that for some reason.

I have never seen Hitchens lose a debate (and I have seen many, many of them).

The only time anyone seems to get some ground is if they catch him on time. Because we all know that is his kryptonite!!

That Dinesh D'souza debate was hilarious.

[Hethrin]

LOL. I think a Wilson supporter said something similar....

Yeah, well. I kinda think that he lost the D'Souza debate, and Like I said, he got smoked in the online debate by Wilson, but maybe that's just my opinion.

I am pleased to see that at least these two behave themselves.

[jamianm]

Actually, I think the filmmaker has a Christian bent to him because I saw he did a music video for Demon Hunter, a well-known Christian band. Heads up

[jamianm]

Exciting, man. Looks good

[Frigdogg]

HITCHENS DOESNT STAND A CHANCE!!!

[ballersack]

the music sounds like some failed attempt at melding classical indian music with metal with rap.

btw, I think Hitchens should act in a spy movie of some kind, his personality would work well.

[zakiechan]

Maybe just make a movie about Hitchens adventures... starring Russell Crowe at Hitchens hahaha.

[19AFS91]

Hi, it would be greatly appreciated if someone could tell me the name of this track in a reply. It's pretty serious.

MononofuBlood says Wilson is a creationist? Oh fuck. Hitchens, automatic win :D

[WillS1111111]

yeah automatic win for Hitchens. Because it is so much more likely that lightning hit a mud puddled and life appeared then slowly evolved into humans through punctuated equilibrium and mutation than it is that there might be a Creator. Game over.

[jamianm]

Hard to tell if you're being coy or not.

[jameswp266]

when is this out

[wshurtli]

Wilson rocks! I think this looks awesome. Hitchens doesn't stand a chance.

[cinenutz]

Wshurtli, the fact that you've bought into the "death match" framing just proves that you and your ilk could never win a debate, so you turn it into a fist fight. Imbecile.

[wshurtli]

My 'ilk'? 'Imbecile'. You cut me cinenutz. That's it, I'm becoming an atheist - they all seem so happy.

[Hethrin]

fist fight....right....

[charlatanfilms]

I don't care how many shots of helicopters you use, how often you use slo-mo over rap music, or how many jump-cuts you can cram into a 60-second add, it's still a debate. This add makes it look like it's going to be a Michael Bay movie.

[jimdidr]

charlatanfilms: Can´t we just all hope this starts a new genre of Rock¨n roll debate? I´m so buying the t-shirt :D

PS: would like to know the artist and track also, even if its not Rock or Roll :)

[1DeathWalkingTerror1]

who wants a sneak peak of a debate! Pull this link off your website Hitch. I just wasted 3mins of my time!

[RaZiellaa]

all the minutes in your life is a waste.

[SayloVideo]

Hitchens is the fucking man and he can easily out-debate anyone...this looks like an interesting doc. It's not something you see much and I admire its uniqueness. Hopefully it'll be entertaining.

[MistytheCat123456]

does anyone know what the music track is called? its such an awesome song.

[threehappypenguins]

Yay!

I love Douglas Wilson!!! You should hear his evolution song. It's on his website. I forget what it's called.

"Don't worry! You have meaning in life! You have opposable thumbs!"

[JACKtheRIPP3R189]

Hitchens is one of my favorite writers, and a master of debate. I'm not familiar with Mr. Wilson but i hope he provides for better sport than Dinesh d'Souza or Schmuley Boteach did, those were absolute massacres in Hitchens' favor. Should be a good watch, and your video is well done, bravo sir.

[Hethrin]

He will be, don't worry...lol.

[MononofuBlood]

JACKtheRIPP3R,

He won't. The man is a creationist; this debate was over before it even begun.

[JACKtheRIPP3R189]

Yeah thats what i was afraid of. It is an intellectual boxing match and the religious start with one had tied behind their back. Hopefully he wont bring the same old shit to the table that the others do.

[Texas4K]

Two great minds. Should be good!

[johnnicely]

I be a fan of Wilson as well... What's the name of the song used in the trailer?

[Hethrin]

Go Wilson!

[Illiknight40]

doesn't stand a chance

[foucachon]

Can't wait to see the documentary!

[KenneththePeasant]

Nothing cracks me up as much as the shot of Wilson talking on his cellphone in the car, looking like a mob boss. Well, maybe the helicopter scene.

[bobbd213]

5 stars my friend

[Kevo216666]

0:39 Hitchens on pale ale! - must've been at an airport where he couln't get a decent drink.

The man rocks!

[CognosSquare]

I am now fully erect.

[ultraviolet99]

I'm rather interested to see this.

[thruthem]

Hitchens is Bad Ass!