La Haye Sainte fell after the heroic King’s German Legion ran out of ammunition
This exposed Wellington’s centre which Napoleon attacked with his imperial guard.
This attack was defeated on the eastern side by British, Brunswick and Nassau, and Dutch troops, and on the western side by Maitland's British troops.
Blucher arrived as soon as he could as planned and agreed with Wellington.
But it was Wellington's allied army that caused the french imperial guard to break and flee.
Waterloo was the military catasfroph for Napoleon and his army but THE BIGGEST MORAL VICTORY over his enemies. His soldiers choosed death as a free men because they fought for Freedom, Equality and Brotherhood.
@TheJEANFB The British troops were far superior to the french 1vs1 as shown time and time again in the Peninsular war. It was only due to their huge numbers and Bonapartes generalship that the french were able to last as long as they did. At Waterloo Frances "elite" imperial guards ran in panic from regular British infantry, I think that says it all really.
Wellington fought a holding battle because he knew the Prussians were on the way, but that was Wellington ---- Genius.... Not until Rommel was there a better General.... and non since....
OLD BIG NOSE WAS TOO GOOD, for the little general.
Waterloo: Prussian victory. Brits, well, nice figuration there: 18% of the troops. Where was the rest of the brits you may ask? Doing what they usually do: HIDING ON THEIR ISLAND. Coward, perfidious, false, but we can write "brit" it's enough.
Finissez de pourrir en enfer, les rostbifs, vous et votre incapable de Wellingtruc. Le figurant de l'Histoire. Seule votre propagande a réussi à en faire autre chose qu'une sous-merde.
Britain has always fought against tyrants and dictators! We are the true meaning of liberty! Thank god we won! After Great Britain defeated Napoleon she went on to become the worlds first Hyper-power, spreading our superior language and law to the rest of the world.
@Rialbz Tu es victime de la propagande de ton pays. Britain is better than France in two things these days, and only two: national debt and teenage pregnancy. For the rest, you're, you were and will remain a second class european country :)
@Rialbz The Independance War of US is where the conquest of the true meaning of liberty continued and it started in the Netherlands back in 1568-1648,then the Brits took over and used democracy to indicate civilisation however ,an undercover for Kapitalism ,for democracy is The political system where Kapitalism can thrive.So...win the battle,and you'll defeat thy enemy , Win thy enemy , and you will defeat war. And how the Brits fortunately failed for Big Brother is trying to envolve all of Us.
Britain having an Empire at its high point of 20% of the world's land was not gained by being tyrant's and dictators to various extents you are saying?
@slizzler1 Compared to other empires such as Germany's, France's and Japan's, quite obviously Britain's empire was a empire of good intentions, liberty and the rights of man. These other empires intentions were in great contrast to Great Britain's. Great Britain was a democracy long before these other nations.
Empires involve taking over others ways of lives- 'better-ing' is irrelevant.
Most Empires are created for exploitation and using the societies taken over-> not some ridiculous idea of sharing and democracy.
You have heard of the Atlantic Slave Trade- right? Indians slaughtered by British armies invading their land. Same in Africa too. And how about the drug-deal acquisition of Hong Kong?
Would you like Aliens forcefully changing your lifestyle?
The common French soldier from 1792-1815 were true believers in thinking themselves as liberators and trying to spread the Revolution everywhere in the world.
According to the movie Wellington got his ass kicked by Napoleon,whilst marshall Ney figured : anything you can do I can do better, then a Prussian named Blucher entered the scene and the battle was won,Europe, ironically, saved by German forces.
@NapoCinePedia And history-writing wants to make people believe they're trying to ignore propaganda. So you consider it was a war of the Aristocracy vs Democracy?You got a very good point there. From that prospect the war is still going on. I believe Aristocrats need people's attention ,and thus democracy is their cover-up.for power has to be given before one can take. The show must go on.
@NapoCinePedia i respect your passion but napoleon was not the white knight you make him out to be, he was a gallant man who understood the rue meaning of freedom and a brilliant general and ruler but, do you think the russians, italians, spanish and portuguese, wanted to live under a french regime, people must create their own revolutions and ideas and no one should enforce their will on those who do not want it.
did you heard about monarchic coalitions ? Russians, Prussians or English were not free, and Napoleon mad the Amiens Peace, can you tell me who broke It ?
@NapoCinePedia, oh listen i have know delusions, the coalitions were backward imperialists pricks keeping a system in place that kept the common man down, and the aristocracy rich. Napoleon was the way forward and he was persecuted for it all i'm was saying was both sides can not be just seen as black and white.
@Immortal4Aday, I'm just curious, but if you are British and not a foreigner living in the UK, then you are possibly one of the few people in English-speaking countries who have admiration for Napoleon and defend him from the propagandic lies about him. But if you are British, I noticed that you called the Allied nations 'backward imperialist pricks' in your comment, but aren't you also referring to your country, Great Britain as an 'imperialist prick' too?
@expertstrategy oh do not get me wrong i am a patriot and love my country, but i hate its government, and i am indeed a british, but i will never believe that there is one side to an argument, i have respect for both Bonaparte and Wellington, however i like Napoleons idea of freedom and justice he would have made a better future, having said that i will always try to defend the actions of the british because it is my home, but i have no delusions of what the coalition, whether i like it or not.
@Immortal4Aday, well in Napoleon's empire, a lot of people preferred to be ruled by the French with their modern ideals of freedom than be returned to their slave-like way of life under the autocratic.
Napoleon's power comes directly from the support of his people.
A king's power is from the army to impose his will against the subjects.
Did you know that the people of Berlin praised Napoleon as a liberator when he entered it in 1806. You should read "Wars against Napoleon" it is pretty good.
@NapoCinePedia but Napoleon didnt fight for democracy too! he was an emperor... never we had a democratic emperor... Coalitions were made because Napoleon wants to control Europe which other europeans cannot withstand...
@nicovinuya > Revolutionnary France attacked kingdoms of Europe to create sister-Republic, it's this war and the King Louis XVI killing who are cause of coalitions during 20 years. Before Napoleon he was General Bonaparte, fighting for Universal Republic
@NapoCinePedia LMFAO DEMOCRACY???..Napoleon THE EMPORER of all the countries he invaded...funny fukin democracy...England was the Democracy...her king couldnt shit without parliament permission...stop kidding yourself...also France had 30 million...UK had 12 million....hardly equal playing field...France FAILED..simple as
@JuGle100 No, the movie does not show that. Wellington managed to hold his ground for a long time while outnumbered even though his army consisted largely of inexperienced units thrown together at short notice, facing a French army which were veterans of several campaigns and included the 'undefeated' are feared imperial guard. Without the Prussians, Wellington would likely have lost at waterloo, but that is not to question his abilities as a general.
Wellington outnumbered Napoleon - that is to say; Wellington was facing an inferior French force against him because Napoleon shifted 20,000+ of his troops to deploy on his right flank to meet the arriving Prussians by early afternoon.
@JuGle100 "According to the movie Wellington got his ass kicked by Napoleon,whilst marshall Ney figured : anything you can do I can do better, then a Prussian named Blucher entered the scene and the battle was won,Europe, ironically, saved by German forces."
Sort of. Actually, the deal was that Wellington would fight at Waterloo if Blucher would send a corps to take Napoleon on his right flank. So Buonoparte sent his largely French army to attack Wellington's English, Irish, Scottish,
@oarfrost Welsh, Belgian, Dutch and German army. Napoleon seem to have gone a little potty and let the battle develop into a slugging match against Wellington. This wasn't a clever idea because the Duke was a master of this sort of thing. He let the French wear themselves out until the Blucher's Prussians, Poles and Russians turned up and sent the Emperor packing.
@JuGle100 A Prussian? THE PRUSSIAN! Generalfeldmarschall Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher. With the cry "Raise high the black flags, children, no pity, no prisoners, I'll shoot any man I see with pity in him!" He was 72 no less, recovering from battle wounds & he heaped disgrace upon that pathetic midget pretender Napoleon forever! In October I shall place a flower at the foot of Blüchers statue near Unter den Linden in Berlin and laugh about pewee Napoleon!
Well, actually he knew the Prussians would arrive at least the next day, so he decided to fight to hold his position, and when the Prussian arrived it was clear he won already on that day.
Actually, Blucher did not lead the Prussian forces, as he was injured at Ligny, but Gneisenau and Ziethen did.
Gneisenau was in contact with Wellington almost since Ligny.
"and when the Prussian arrived it was clear he won already on that day."
Wrong. The very threat of the Prussians forced Napoleon to secure his flank at Plancenoit with over 13,000 soldiers. Wellington himself said "it was a close run thing".
This means that not only was Napoleon directly outnumbered in his fight against Wellington, he still almost managed to pull it out despite some tactical errors and the breakdown of Marechal Ney
"Actually, Blucher did not lead the Prussian forces, as he was injured at Ligny, but Gneisenau and Ziethen did."
Furthermore...it was BULOW who lead the IV corps into the heaviest fighting of Plancenoit..and Johann Von Thielmann who delayed Grouchy at Wavre who had 33,000 men that were prevented from assisting Napoleon at Waterloo.
But you keep living the fantasy that Wellington single handedly defeated Napoleon.
Wellington was smart yes, but he also had the help of weather on his side, which did make a significant difference. The Prussians were the deciding factor in victory for Wellington.
@JuGle100 A bit inaccurate. The British defeated every attack the French threw at them. Also it was the defense of the British infantry that routed the guard and won the battle, not the arrival of the Prussians. Europe was saved by Boney's gamble of continuing to throw everything at the Brits rather than retreating once Blucher arrived.
@uafchris, the Prussians drew off vital French troops at Plancenoit, and most of the Imperial Guard was fighting them at that one place.
The Middle Guard were very close to destroying Wellington's center, until Chasse and his troops routed the Grenadiers with a counterattack after Halkett's brigade, the Hanovarians, Brunswickers, and Nassauers failed. Chasse was the real hero at that moment, and the center was saved because of him.
@uafchris, So it's really because of the Prussians that Wellington didn't have to face the full strength of the Imperial Guard, or otherwise, the center would have been destroyed quite easily. It barely survived the attack of the Middle Guard.
Wellington's situation was desperate and critical, and the loss of La Haye Saint was also a terrible blow. It's funny that people like you try to belittle the importance of the Prussian army as much as possible. How desperate can you possibly get?
@dm3830 > France fighted for Republican ideas against Kings and Tsar, how can english people don't realise they fighted for aristocrates like wellington or Nelson, not for their liberties ?
oui maximumuse mais je veux dire que ce film retrace la bataille de waterloo cela aurait eu un effet de boeuf s'il avait tourner ici a waterloo. a mediter pour les realisateurs.
et tu oublies que c'était l'URSS ? la guerre froide n'était pas si froide que ça, donc ça n'était pas possible à l'Ouest, mais l'hommage est réel, les artistes traversent les régimes politiques
No...it's not. La veiulle garde has a very distinctive flute ensemble. La veiulle guard is heard when the Guard first march toward Wellington's Line, which was then led personally by Napoleon.
Leur napoléon est un peu trop... excessif dans le film. Sinon, tu dis que le film est pédagogique... C'est vrai mais il manque deux, trois petites choses (excuses-moi mais je suis en Fac d'Histoire, donc je suis tatillon). Quant à la pluie, elle n'a avantagée les Anglais que parce que napoléon a attendu que le terrain soit sec pour que les boulets puissent ricocher et causer plus de dégâts. Si la bataille avait commencé le matin plutôt qu'à midi, Blücher serait arrivé trop tard.
merci de ses précisions, attention, un film est une oeuvre d'art et pas un documentaire, le plus intéressant ds ce film est l'approche psychologique de napoléon finissant et de wellington, en plus du caractère extraordinaire de la réalisation de la bataille.
Un peu simplifiée l'intro... Les Prussiens avaient été vaincus le 15 Juin 1815 à Ligny-Quatre-Bras mais le Maréchal Ney n'avait pas poussé l'avantage en les poursuivant. Résultat : les Prusiens survivants ont frappé l'aile droite Française à Waterloo tandis que le Général Grouchy et trente milles hommes les cherchaient plus loin et ne prirent donc pas part à la bataille. Mais c'est vrai que les Anglais reviennent de loin, ce fut une question de minutes !
oui oui, absoluement, c'est d'ailleurs ds l'intro si tu la développes, le film est finalement très pédagogique avec notammen le role de la pluie comme allié des anglais, leur terrain finalement :-)
hum, do you see no difference between revolutionnary France and The Tsar, Austrian Emperor & English Aristocrats ?
France had a dream: Universal European Republic Napoleon was only his necessary military arm, no choice with old monarchies fighting against us since 1789 to restaure Louis XVIII in Paris!
As in, he ruled alone. And your dear Bonaparte annexed us when his brother tried to push our interests.
And you also economically exploited us, you had us pay 12 million for your occupation armies, pushed us into a war with England, made us give you a loan on ridiculously generous terms, and you 'liberators' had us pay a war indemnity of 100 million guilders, equal to a third of our national income.
In 1814 our public debt stood at 1.7 billion guilders, thanks to you guys.
We Dutch were already quite liberal, and had never been a monarchy (not officially anyhow), still, you French saw fit to ravage our lands and economy, install a monarchy here, and then annex us.
Thanks to the French, the Dutch public debt in 1815 was estimated at around 1500 million guilders, or 5 times our annual national income.
You talk a load of shit...More like brought Europe out of slavery...Slavery was abolished in Britain in 1833...And then abolished in France in 1848.."Liberty"? I think not..."return of kings" I am sorry what?
Surely any intelligent person has realised by now that kings hadn't played a part in British politics in hundreds of years? And even before the Napoleonic wars? They are just a figure head...Like how Russia has a President AND a prime minister..President being the figure head
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La Haye Sainte fell after the heroic King’s German Legion ran out of ammunition
This exposed Wellington’s centre which Napoleon attacked with his imperial guard.
This attack was defeated on the eastern side by British, Brunswick and Nassau, and Dutch troops, and on the western side by Maitland's British troops.
Blucher arrived as soon as he could as planned and agreed with Wellington.
But it was Wellington's allied army that caused the french imperial guard to break and flee.
EddieExile 1 month ago
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Waterloo was the military catasfroph for Napoleon and his army but THE BIGGEST MORAL VICTORY over his enemies. His soldiers choosed death as a free men because they fought for Freedom, Equality and Brotherhood.
Odysses100 2 months ago
@arsenaljsutliffuk I agree, but I only put myself in your fellow INTELLECTUAL;)
TheJEANFB 4 months ago
if the English would face the french in 1 vs 1, there would be no waterloo. The English would remain on their island as cowards. As usual ^ ^
TheJEANFB 4 months ago
@TheJEANFB cowards who had to do all the fighting for France in two world wars.
dmax631 4 months ago
@dmax631 also read posts that deal with your fellow french let go of. I only put myself at their level INTELLECTUAL.
TheJEANFB 4 months ago
@TheJEANFB The British troops were far superior to the french 1vs1 as shown time and time again in the Peninsular war. It was only due to their huge numbers and Bonapartes generalship that the french were able to last as long as they did. At Waterloo Frances "elite" imperial guards ran in panic from regular British infantry, I think that says it all really.
uafchris 4 months ago
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@uafchris "England will fight bravely against Napoleon
to the last drop of Prussian, Austrian
and Russian blood". Joke of the time a soldier
TheJEANFB 4 months ago
You should try reading about this battle and stop watching a movie.
Wellington was a better general than Napoleon.
`i`ll also add..... the French have no stomach for a fight against the British.
WTFBBQ5 4 months ago
@WTFBBQ5 Are you real?? NO I THINK YOU ARE A FUCKING TROLL or a virgin. Please stop masturbation
TheJEANFB 4 months ago
Wellington fought a holding battle because he knew the Prussians were on the way, but that was Wellington ---- Genius.... Not until Rommel was there a better General.... and non since....
OLD BIG NOSE WAS TOO GOOD, for the little general.
WTFBBQ5 4 months ago
At the end of the day the French and Napolean couldnt beat the British.
The French never ever could beat the British squares.
Cry all you want, but its the truth.
WTFBBQ5 4 months ago
Gotta say Napoleon was FANTASTICly charismatic...I am lover of Wellington and Britain but my Lord Napoleon was something so special :)
XxpauldadudexX 1 year ago
3:03 "Hell yes, lets end this battle before it begins!"
Crape101 1 year ago
Waterloo: Prussian victory. Brits, well, nice figuration there: 18% of the troops. Where was the rest of the brits you may ask? Doing what they usually do: HIDING ON THEIR ISLAND. Coward, perfidious, false, but we can write "brit" it's enough.
Finissez de pourrir en enfer, les rostbifs, vous et votre incapable de Wellingtruc. Le figurant de l'Histoire. Seule votre propagande a réussi à en faire autre chose qu'une sous-merde.
Draksen 1 year ago
Britain has always fought against tyrants and dictators! We are the true meaning of liberty! Thank god we won! After Great Britain defeated Napoleon she went on to become the worlds first Hyper-power, spreading our superior language and law to the rest of the world.
Rule Britannia! and God save the Queen!
Rialbz 1 year ago
@Rialbz Tu es victime de la propagande de ton pays. Britain is better than France in two things these days, and only two: national debt and teenage pregnancy. For the rest, you're, you were and will remain a second class european country :)
Draksen 1 year ago
@Rialbz The Independance War of US is where the conquest of the true meaning of liberty continued and it started in the Netherlands back in 1568-1648,then the Brits took over and used democracy to indicate civilisation however ,an undercover for Kapitalism ,for democracy is The political system where Kapitalism can thrive.So...win the battle,and you'll defeat thy enemy , Win thy enemy , and you will defeat war. And how the Brits fortunately failed for Big Brother is trying to envolve all of Us.
JuGle100 1 year ago
@Rialbz
Britain having an Empire at its high point of 20% of the world's land was not gained by being tyrant's and dictators to various extents you are saying?
slizzler1 1 year ago
@slizzler1 Compared to other empires such as Germany's, France's and Japan's, quite obviously Britain's empire was a empire of good intentions, liberty and the rights of man. These other empires intentions were in great contrast to Great Britain's. Great Britain was a democracy long before these other nations.
Rialbz 1 year ago
@Rialbz
You are preaching to the wrong person.
Empires involve taking over others ways of lives- 'better-ing' is irrelevant.
Most Empires are created for exploitation and using the societies taken over-> not some ridiculous idea of sharing and democracy.
You have heard of the Atlantic Slave Trade- right? Indians slaughtered by British armies invading their land. Same in Africa too. And how about the drug-deal acquisition of Hong Kong?
Would you like Aliens forcefully changing your lifestyle?
slizzler1 1 year ago
The common French soldier from 1792-1815 were true believers in thinking themselves as liberators and trying to spread the Revolution everywhere in the world.
expertstrategy 1 year ago
@expertstrategy > EXACTLY , why Eurpa becam democracy ? it's not the Wellington victories !
maximumuse 1 year ago
According to the movie Wellington got his ass kicked by Napoleon,whilst marshall Ney figured : anything you can do I can do better, then a Prussian named Blucher entered the scene and the battle was won,Europe, ironically, saved by German forces.
JuGle100 1 year ago
Europe Saved ? the Kings saved !! never forget this difference !
coalitions fighted against Democracy
NapoCinePedia 1 year ago
@NapoCinePedia And history-writing wants to make people believe they're trying to ignore propaganda. So you consider it was a war of the Aristocracy vs Democracy?You got a very good point there. From that prospect the war is still going on. I believe Aristocrats need people's attention ,and thus democracy is their cover-up.for power has to be given before one can take. The show must go on.
JuGle100 1 year ago
@NapoCinePedia i respect your passion but napoleon was not the white knight you make him out to be, he was a gallant man who understood the rue meaning of freedom and a brilliant general and ruler but, do you think the russians, italians, spanish and portuguese, wanted to live under a french regime, people must create their own revolutions and ideas and no one should enforce their will on those who do not want it.
Immortal4Aday 1 year ago
did you heard about monarchic coalitions ? Russians, Prussians or English were not free, and Napoleon mad the Amiens Peace, can you tell me who broke It ?
NapoCinePedia 1 year ago
@NapoCinePedia, oh listen i have know delusions, the coalitions were backward imperialists pricks keeping a system in place that kept the common man down, and the aristocracy rich. Napoleon was the way forward and he was persecuted for it all i'm was saying was both sides can not be just seen as black and white.
Immortal4Aday 1 year ago
@Immortal4Aday, I'm just curious, but if you are British and not a foreigner living in the UK, then you are possibly one of the few people in English-speaking countries who have admiration for Napoleon and defend him from the propagandic lies about him. But if you are British, I noticed that you called the Allied nations 'backward imperialist pricks' in your comment, but aren't you also referring to your country, Great Britain as an 'imperialist prick' too?
expertstrategy 1 year ago
@expertstrategy oh do not get me wrong i am a patriot and love my country, but i hate its government, and i am indeed a british, but i will never believe that there is one side to an argument, i have respect for both Bonaparte and Wellington, however i like Napoleons idea of freedom and justice he would have made a better future, having said that i will always try to defend the actions of the british because it is my home, but i have no delusions of what the coalition, whether i like it or not.
Immortal4Aday 1 year ago
@Immortal4Aday, well in Napoleon's empire, a lot of people preferred to be ruled by the French with their modern ideals of freedom than be returned to their slave-like way of life under the autocratic.
Napoleon's power comes directly from the support of his people.
A king's power is from the army to impose his will against the subjects.
Did you know that the people of Berlin praised Napoleon as a liberator when he entered it in 1806. You should read "Wars against Napoleon" it is pretty good.
expertstrategy 1 year ago
@expertstrategy i will, thanks for the recommendation.
Immortal4Aday 1 year ago
@NapoCinePedia but Napoleon didnt fight for democracy too! he was an emperor... never we had a democratic emperor... Coalitions were made because Napoleon wants to control Europe which other europeans cannot withstand...
nicovinuya 1 year ago
@nicovinuya > Revolutionnary France attacked kingdoms of Europe to create sister-Republic, it's this war and the King Louis XVI killing who are cause of coalitions during 20 years. Before Napoleon he was General Bonaparte, fighting for Universal Republic
NapoCinePedia 1 year ago
@NapoCinePedia LMFAO DEMOCRACY???..Napoleon THE EMPORER of all the countries he invaded...funny fukin democracy...England was the Democracy...her king couldnt shit without parliament permission...stop kidding yourself...also France had 30 million...UK had 12 million....hardly equal playing field...France FAILED..simple as
XxpauldadudexX 1 year ago
@NapoCinePedia
Napoleon was no democracy- nobody voted for him for sole rule as a democratic leader.
slizzler1 1 year ago
@NapoCinePedia
Napolean did not represent democracy.
He was a monarch as well my freind.
schusterlehrling 7 months ago
@JuGle100 No, the movie does not show that. Wellington managed to hold his ground for a long time while outnumbered even though his army consisted largely of inexperienced units thrown together at short notice, facing a French army which were veterans of several campaigns and included the 'undefeated' are feared imperial guard. Without the Prussians, Wellington would likely have lost at waterloo, but that is not to question his abilities as a general.
fightingtemeraire 1 year ago
@fightingtemeraire
Wellington outnumbered Napoleon - that is to say; Wellington was facing an inferior French force against him because Napoleon shifted 20,000+ of his troops to deploy on his right flank to meet the arriving Prussians by early afternoon.
slizzler1 1 year ago
@JuGle100 "According to the movie Wellington got his ass kicked by Napoleon,whilst marshall Ney figured : anything you can do I can do better, then a Prussian named Blucher entered the scene and the battle was won,Europe, ironically, saved by German forces."
Sort of. Actually, the deal was that Wellington would fight at Waterloo if Blucher would send a corps to take Napoleon on his right flank. So Buonoparte sent his largely French army to attack Wellington's English, Irish, Scottish,
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost Welsh, Belgian, Dutch and German army. Napoleon seem to have gone a little potty and let the battle develop into a slugging match against Wellington. This wasn't a clever idea because the Duke was a master of this sort of thing. He let the French wear themselves out until the Blucher's Prussians, Poles and Russians turned up and sent the Emperor packing.
oarfrost 1 year ago
@JuGle100 A Prussian? THE PRUSSIAN! Generalfeldmarschall Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher. With the cry "Raise high the black flags, children, no pity, no prisoners, I'll shoot any man I see with pity in him!" He was 72 no less, recovering from battle wounds & he heaped disgrace upon that pathetic midget pretender Napoleon forever! In October I shall place a flower at the foot of Blüchers statue near Unter den Linden in Berlin and laugh about pewee Napoleon!
verziehen 8 months ago
@JuGle100
Well, actually he knew the Prussians would arrive at least the next day, so he decided to fight to hold his position, and when the Prussian arrived it was clear he won already on that day.
Actually, Blucher did not lead the Prussian forces, as he was injured at Ligny, but Gneisenau and Ziethen did.
Gneisenau was in contact with Wellington almost since Ligny.
schusterlehrling 7 months ago
@schusterlehrling
Typical ignorance right here.
"and when the Prussian arrived it was clear he won already on that day."
Wrong. The very threat of the Prussians forced Napoleon to secure his flank at Plancenoit with over 13,000 soldiers. Wellington himself said "it was a close run thing".
This means that not only was Napoleon directly outnumbered in his fight against Wellington, he still almost managed to pull it out despite some tactical errors and the breakdown of Marechal Ney
refuckulate420 5 months ago
@schusterlehrling
"Actually, Blucher did not lead the Prussian forces, as he was injured at Ligny, but Gneisenau and Ziethen did."
Furthermore...it was BULOW who lead the IV corps into the heaviest fighting of Plancenoit..and Johann Von Thielmann who delayed Grouchy at Wavre who had 33,000 men that were prevented from assisting Napoleon at Waterloo.
But you keep living the fantasy that Wellington single handedly defeated Napoleon.
refuckulate420 5 months ago
@refuckulate420
I did not say this.
I just say that Napoleon was far from winning when finally the Prussians arrived at the scene.
But actually Wellington knew they were coming, so his plan was to hold and not to attack too early, which worked out well.
Wellington was a great strategist.
He won by playing a waiting game, as he knew time was on his side, as were the Prussians that were coming.
schusterlehrling 5 months ago
@schusterlehrling
Wellington was smart yes, but he also had the help of weather on his side, which did make a significant difference. The Prussians were the deciding factor in victory for Wellington.
refuckulate420 5 months ago
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uafchris 4 months ago
@JuGle100 A bit inaccurate. The British defeated every attack the French threw at them. Also it was the defense of the British infantry that routed the guard and won the battle, not the arrival of the Prussians. Europe was saved by Boney's gamble of continuing to throw everything at the Brits rather than retreating once Blucher arrived.
uafchris 4 months ago
@uafchris, the Prussians drew off vital French troops at Plancenoit, and most of the Imperial Guard was fighting them at that one place.
The Middle Guard were very close to destroying Wellington's center, until Chasse and his troops routed the Grenadiers with a counterattack after Halkett's brigade, the Hanovarians, Brunswickers, and Nassauers failed. Chasse was the real hero at that moment, and the center was saved because of him.
expertstrategy 1 month ago
@uafchris, So it's really because of the Prussians that Wellington didn't have to face the full strength of the Imperial Guard, or otherwise, the center would have been destroyed quite easily. It barely survived the attack of the Middle Guard.
Wellington's situation was desperate and critical, and the loss of La Haye Saint was also a terrible blow. It's funny that people like you try to belittle the importance of the Prussian army as much as possible. How desperate can you possibly get?
expertstrategy 1 month ago
Wellington is funny.
"What are you plans?"
"To beat the French"
UtahMike41 1 year ago
@UtahMike41 It's only a script
JuGle100 1 year ago
Napoleon as agent of liberty? Non. Or as we say in English, get a grip and not on what is in your trousers. Agent of death and vanity more like it.
dm3830 1 year ago 12
@dm3830 > France fighted for Republican ideas against Kings and Tsar, how can english people don't realise they fighted for aristocrates like wellington or Nelson, not for their liberties ?
NapoCinePedia 1 year ago
oui maximumuse mais je veux dire que ce film retrace la bataille de waterloo cela aurait eu un effet de boeuf s'il avait tourner ici a waterloo. a mediter pour les realisateurs.
vinc0001 2 years ago
Oui bien sûr, un sacré réalisme pour les connaisseurs, un futur défi à relever pour le cinéma européen :-)
maximumuse 2 years ago
je trouve qu'il aurait du tournez chez nous sur les lieux meme.surtout que tout est entretenu et conservez.
vinc0001 2 years ago
et tu oublies que c'était l'URSS ? la guerre froide n'était pas si froide que ça, donc ça n'était pas possible à l'Ouest, mais l'hommage est réel, les artistes traversent les régimes politiques
maximumuse 2 years ago
I've been trying to find out for a long time, what is that march music called in the very beginning? It is grand and I must have it!
ltflak 2 years ago
I think its called "La veiulle garde" i could be wrong though
px4422Wellington 2 years ago
No...it's not. La veiulle garde has a very distinctive flute ensemble. La veiulle guard is heard when the Guard first march toward Wellington's Line, which was then led personally by Napoleon.
ltflak 2 years ago
Leur napoléon est un peu trop... excessif dans le film. Sinon, tu dis que le film est pédagogique... C'est vrai mais il manque deux, trois petites choses (excuses-moi mais je suis en Fac d'Histoire, donc je suis tatillon). Quant à la pluie, elle n'a avantagée les Anglais que parce que napoléon a attendu que le terrain soit sec pour que les boulets puissent ricocher et causer plus de dégâts. Si la bataille avait commencé le matin plutôt qu'à midi, Blücher serait arrivé trop tard.
remiposeidon 2 years ago
merci de ses précisions, attention, un film est une oeuvre d'art et pas un documentaire, le plus intéressant ds ce film est l'approche psychologique de napoléon finissant et de wellington, en plus du caractère extraordinaire de la réalisation de la bataille.
Bonnes études et bienvenue ds notre site
maximumuse 2 years ago
Un peu simplifiée l'intro... Les Prussiens avaient été vaincus le 15 Juin 1815 à Ligny-Quatre-Bras mais le Maréchal Ney n'avait pas poussé l'avantage en les poursuivant. Résultat : les Prusiens survivants ont frappé l'aile droite Française à Waterloo tandis que le Général Grouchy et trente milles hommes les cherchaient plus loin et ne prirent donc pas part à la bataille. Mais c'est vrai que les Anglais reviennent de loin, ce fut une question de minutes !
remiposeidon 2 years ago
oui oui, absoluement, c'est d'ailleurs ds l'intro si tu la développes, le film est finalement très pédagogique avec notammen le role de la pluie comme allié des anglais, leur terrain finalement :-)
NapoCinePedia 2 years ago
Allez les bleus !!!
MaxRWF 2 years ago 2
wellington wearing gloves? apparently he didn´t like them.
fatmaccam 2 years ago
excellent
5/5
tipitjo 3 years ago
hum, do you see no difference between revolutionnary France and The Tsar, Austrian Emperor & English Aristocrats ?
France had a dream: Universal European Republic Napoleon was only his necessary military arm, no choice with old monarchies fighting against us since 1789 to restaure Louis XVIII in Paris!
Your french King was a tyran ? are you sure ?
NapoCinePedia 3 years ago
As in, he ruled alone. And your dear Bonaparte annexed us when his brother tried to push our interests.
And you also economically exploited us, you had us pay 12 million for your occupation armies, pushed us into a war with England, made us give you a loan on ridiculously generous terms, and you 'liberators' had us pay a war indemnity of 100 million guilders, equal to a third of our national income.
In 1814 our public debt stood at 1.7 billion guilders, thanks to you guys.
somethingboring 3 years ago
What about Civil Code, "Human Rights", french philosophy, ... ?
France fighted for LIBERTY of Men !!
You can say thank you, even today :-)
What Wellington gave to Europ by killing Napo ?
> return of Kings and slavery for poor people
maximumuse 2 years ago 3
Liberty of men?
We Dutch were already quite liberal, and had never been a monarchy (not officially anyhow), still, you French saw fit to ravage our lands and economy, install a monarchy here, and then annex us.
Thanks to the French, the Dutch public debt in 1815 was estimated at around 1500 million guilders, or 5 times our annual national income.
somethingboring 2 years ago 2
@somethingboring Then what were the Dutch going for in their Dutch-Indies?
JuGle100 1 year ago
@maximumuse
You talk a load of shit...More like brought Europe out of slavery...Slavery was abolished in Britain in 1833...And then abolished in France in 1848.."Liberty"? I think not..."return of kings" I am sorry what?
Surely any intelligent person has realised by now that kings hadn't played a part in British politics in hundreds of years? And even before the Napoleonic wars? They are just a figure head...Like how Russia has a President AND a prime minister..President being the figure head
spudnick3490 1 year ago
@maximumuse how about the magna carta? you guys were slow in france...
rntbprz 3 weeks ago
Looks like many of Napoleons desires have been won, a meritocratic society, and a united europe :)
BVargas78 2 years ago 2
And in what way was Napoleon not a tyrant?
But that's 1 thing the Napoleonic wars brought my country (the Netherlands) a bloody monarchy, what the hell is monarchy good for?
somethingboring 3 years ago
same passion! thanks to all :-)
NapoCinePedia 3 years ago