If your saying protein causes basically the same insulin response that carbohydrates do, then why isn't there a line that represents the insulin response of only eating protein? It would make more sense to have it more constant. There is a reason that people that eat carbs on the paleo diet don't want more than 50 grams of carbs per meal, because it spikes you insulin.
Of course the insulin levels are different. Glucagon levels are wildly different in those two scenarios. Glucagon blocks the actions of insulin except in skeletal muscle. The reason the body releases insulin and glucagon in response to a protein meal is that the net effect of those two hormones is to facilitate amino acid uptake by skeletal muscle without altering carbohydrate metabolism.
Prediction of Glucose and Insulin Responses of Normal Subjects after Consuming Mixed Meals...
Adding 16g protein to a liquid test meal containing no protein and 58 g carbohydrate from sugars reduced the glucose response by 40% and DOUBLED the insulin response. When protein was increased to 50 g, the glucose response was reduced by a further 40%, but the insulin response was no greater than after the meal containing 16 g protein (Spiller et al. 1987)
What type of carbohydrates would have a spike? Could eating non starchy complex carb (leafy greens and vegetables) combined with protein have a lower affect then does eating grains and potatoes, corn?
Your forgetting that protein is used for gluceongenesis, so eliminating carbs from your diet and eating more fat and protein dramaticaly reduces your insulin level. Protein does have a higher insulin response than fat, but its simply not as high as carbs if you are not eating carbs, otherwise the protein does increase it. This is due to your body using glucose as fuel, while on low carb high fat/protein your in ketosis.
This is garbage. Protein causes insulin release, but also a host of anti-insulin endocrine response (e.g. glucagon release. Also insulin resistance caused by palmitic acid found in animal fats.) There's a functional reason for that. Insulin mediates uptake of amino acids by muscle. Eating protein causes insulin mediated uptake of amino acids, but no net effect on carb metabolism. The harmful effects of insulin arise when it causes adipocytes to take up carbs and store them as fat.
please see my comment below. studies have shown protein stimulates insulin response to carbs. this is not what you want if you are trying to lose or maintain weight.
This model is far to general. The release of insulin and it's actions within the body are a much broader, more complex subject. The above model implies that there is essentially only one type of carbohydrate and this "defininate article" of carbohydrate initiates only a single type of insulin response. The term carbohydrate is most commonly used in biochemistry, where it is essentially a synonym of saccharide, a LARGE family of carbohydrates that fill numerous roles in living things.
ok what KIND of carbs is he talkng about? he's probably talkin about Carbs as in white sugar - of course that will peak your insulin level bcoz its processed almost down to glucose. Aside from sugar, there r two types of healthy carbs: startchy and non startchy. you need go on and off from those healthy carbs so you can strick your body to lose body fat, everybody is different so go easy on carbs and figure out how ur body reacts to different carbs and act accordingly.
Its better to eat small frequent meals to maintain a somewhat constant level of blood sugar. Stay away from high glycemic index foods such as refined carbs that will spike your insulin then drop your blood sugar leaving you hypoglycemic and HUNGRY. This causes you to eat more to compensate.. keep the cycle up and you develop type 2 diabetes. The graph depicted in this video shows insulin levels.. but where is the blood sugar levels? Its kind of misleading.
This really surprises me. I lost a lot of weight when I ate more protein, moving from the ADA to the Zone Diet. I guess it was because I was eating less calories overall. That is, I was eating about 60 grams of protein and 200 grams of carbohydrates. I then ate 85 grams or protein and 110 grams of carb. So instead of 260 grams total I was eating 195 total. Interesting. However, I was completely satisfied, whearas if I had just dropped the carbs, I would have been hungry.
Thanks for the Info you share with us. It has been a great help for me...
Im 32, 190lbs and about 17%fat / 21%muscle mass
Im gonna start an HGH therapy for multiple benefits, main is shape my body...im going to use 2UI per day from monday to saturday, eating every 3 hours, carbs and protein before 5pm and after just protein..
I would like to hear your opinion..or any sugestion
you're right about that! Im a type 2 diabetic and if I eat a lot of carbs my sugar goes way high. If I eat a lot of protein the glucose level only goes up slightly. this guy doesn't have a clue
I think you're misunderstanding; protein does have an insulin response, it just doesn't (directly) increase blood sugar. He's only arguing that it increases blood insulin. The chart is easy to misunderstand (some think the y-axis is blood sugar).
The reason your blood sugar goes up after eating protein is because of the release of glucagon, I believe, which is released at the same time as insulin. It has the opposite effect of insulin; to encourage cells to release glucose.
There is limited evidence to suggest that fat causes any insulin response. It seems the two macros responsible for insulin release are protein and carbohydrates.
Fat does have the ability to suppress the GH release that is associated with exercise, however I'm not sure if this same phenomena occurs with nocturnal spikes in GH release.
In the video we see: 100g Carbs 50g Carbs/50g Protein 5g of sugar I was wondering what the effects are of: 100% protein 90% protein/10% fat 50% protein / 50% fat Would be great to know, because is it not the science to keep your levels low all day for optimal fat loss? Another question is: We know now that GH response is the highest on a fasted meal, but what about post-meal nutrition, should that be a carb/protein/fat? Is any of this mentioned in your e-book?
Chris, I think that fat doesn't have an insulin response but that it'll still suppress growth hormone secretion. I'd really like brad to respond to say something on the topic, though.
so i would be going 1.4 gram perkilo of bodyweight for carbs. As for protien it dose convert to sugar but you dont get lipogenic effect as you would on carbs
nitrobrn, you won't become hypoglycemic from only eating 50 grams of carbohydrate a day. Your liver will make all the glucose you need, assuming there's not something wrong with it.
Thanks for offering no solutions.
mikecazzx 1 month ago
If your saying protein causes basically the same insulin response that carbohydrates do, then why isn't there a line that represents the insulin response of only eating protein? It would make more sense to have it more constant. There is a reason that people that eat carbs on the paleo diet don't want more than 50 grams of carbs per meal, because it spikes you insulin.
TheLaughterFarm 6 months ago
really interresting! thanks!
niniraymond 8 months ago
are you talking about simple or complex carbs?
adityajuneja7 9 months ago
what source was the 50 grams of protein? 50g of whey is VERY insulingenic.
bigbobabc123 9 months ago
This is why 3 large meals a deal seems more logical than 6 small meals a day.
PsychopathInFoil 1 year ago
Of course the insulin levels are different. Glucagon levels are wildly different in those two scenarios. Glucagon blocks the actions of insulin except in skeletal muscle. The reason the body releases insulin and glucagon in response to a protein meal is that the net effect of those two hormones is to facilitate amino acid uptake by skeletal muscle without altering carbohydrate metabolism.
julesmarsh1 1 year ago
From a scientific study:
Prediction of Glucose and Insulin Responses of Normal Subjects after Consuming Mixed Meals...
Adding 16g protein to a liquid test meal containing no protein and 58 g carbohydrate from sugars reduced the glucose response by 40% and DOUBLED the insulin response. When protein was increased to 50 g, the glucose response was reduced by a further 40%, but the insulin response was no greater than after the meal containing 16 g protein (Spiller et al. 1987)
Pelonetillo 1 year ago
What type of carbohydrates would have a spike? Could eating non starchy complex carb (leafy greens and vegetables) combined with protein have a lower affect then does eating grains and potatoes, corn?
look4ansers 1 year ago
Your forgetting that protein is used for gluceongenesis, so eliminating carbs from your diet and eating more fat and protein dramaticaly reduces your insulin level. Protein does have a higher insulin response than fat, but its simply not as high as carbs if you are not eating carbs, otherwise the protein does increase it. This is due to your body using glucose as fuel, while on low carb high fat/protein your in ketosis.
PairoftheSocks 1 year ago
why dont you talk about fats in your videos often when talking about protiens and carbs??
howsitdrrudi 1 year ago
This is garbage. Protein causes insulin release, but also a host of anti-insulin endocrine response (e.g. glucagon release. Also insulin resistance caused by palmitic acid found in animal fats.) There's a functional reason for that. Insulin mediates uptake of amino acids by muscle. Eating protein causes insulin mediated uptake of amino acids, but no net effect on carb metabolism. The harmful effects of insulin arise when it causes adipocytes to take up carbs and store them as fat.
julesmarsh1 1 year ago
please see my comment below. studies have shown protein stimulates insulin response to carbs. this is not what you want if you are trying to lose or maintain weight.
Pelonetillo 1 year ago
This model is far to general. The release of insulin and it's actions within the body are a much broader, more complex subject. The above model implies that there is essentially only one type of carbohydrate and this "defininate article" of carbohydrate initiates only a single type of insulin response. The term carbohydrate is most commonly used in biochemistry, where it is essentially a synonym of saccharide, a LARGE family of carbohydrates that fill numerous roles in living things.
NaturalBrute 2 years ago
ok what KIND of carbs is he talkng about? he's probably talkin about Carbs as in white sugar - of course that will peak your insulin level bcoz its processed almost down to glucose. Aside from sugar, there r two types of healthy carbs: startchy and non startchy. you need go on and off from those healthy carbs so you can strick your body to lose body fat, everybody is different so go easy on carbs and figure out how ur body reacts to different carbs and act accordingly.
rootiest 2 years ago
Its better to eat small frequent meals to maintain a somewhat constant level of blood sugar. Stay away from high glycemic index foods such as refined carbs that will spike your insulin then drop your blood sugar leaving you hypoglycemic and HUNGRY. This causes you to eat more to compensate.. keep the cycle up and you develop type 2 diabetes. The graph depicted in this video shows insulin levels.. but where is the blood sugar levels? Its kind of misleading.
tarutarutaru 2 years ago
I dont get it. There is so much information and there is always someone saying "that's not true"
quitejaded 2 years ago
This is great comparative info. Thanks for all your videos.
buzzkilling 2 years ago
This really surprises me. I lost a lot of weight when I ate more protein, moving from the ADA to the Zone Diet. I guess it was because I was eating less calories overall. That is, I was eating about 60 grams of protein and 200 grams of carbohydrates. I then ate 85 grams or protein and 110 grams of carb. So instead of 260 grams total I was eating 195 total. Interesting. However, I was completely satisfied, whearas if I had just dropped the carbs, I would have been hungry.
polymorphously 2 years ago
Hi Brad!
Thanks for the Info you share with us. It has been a great help for me...
Im 32, 190lbs and about 17%fat / 21%muscle mass
Im gonna start an HGH therapy for multiple benefits, main is shape my body...im going to use 2UI per day from monday to saturday, eating every 3 hours, carbs and protein before 5pm and after just protein..
I would like to hear your opinion..or any sugestion
Thanks!
ViMaFuFlo 2 years ago
What about Fat?
BigAlexender 2 years ago
This is bullshit!
xxmonickkkkaxx 2 years ago
you're right about that! Im a type 2 diabetic and if I eat a lot of carbs my sugar goes way high. If I eat a lot of protein the glucose level only goes up slightly. this guy doesn't have a clue
Stonewalljackson7 2 years ago
I think you're misunderstanding; protein does have an insulin response, it just doesn't (directly) increase blood sugar. He's only arguing that it increases blood insulin. The chart is easy to misunderstand (some think the y-axis is blood sugar).
The reason your blood sugar goes up after eating protein is because of the release of glucagon, I believe, which is released at the same time as insulin. It has the opposite effect of insulin; to encourage cells to release glucose.
peace, sp
schrodingersplatte 2 years ago 4
but protein triggers the release of glucagon to balance insulin doesn't it?
shiverstin02 2 years ago
There is limited evidence to suggest that fat causes any insulin response. It seems the two macros responsible for insulin release are protein and carbohydrates.
Fat does have the ability to suppress the GH release that is associated with exercise, however I'm not sure if this same phenomena occurs with nocturnal spikes in GH release.
BP
bradpilon 3 years ago
younes0807 3 years ago 8
Fantastic question,
Please answer it.
newengland72 2 years ago
@bradpilon symply before train 2 ui of hgh and 2 ui of slin
MrSusta250 1 year ago
@bradpilon im srry im confused .. . what exactly is insulin and what does it do for the body?
WoWkiddymage 5 months ago
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jedwhelchel 3 years ago
Fat. What about eating lots of fat? What is the insulin response to that?
ChrisGraeme 3 years ago
Chris, I think that fat doesn't have an insulin response but that it'll still suppress growth hormone secretion. I'd really like brad to respond to say something on the topic, though.
schrodingersplatte 3 years ago
50 gram carb days causes hypoglycemia
so i would be going 1.4 gram perkilo of bodyweight for carbs. As for protien it dose convert to sugar but you dont get lipogenic effect as you would on carbs
nitrobrn 3 years ago
nitrobrn, you won't become hypoglycemic from only eating 50 grams of carbohydrate a day. Your liver will make all the glucose you need, assuming there's not something wrong with it.
schrodingersplatte 3 years ago
What about protein by itself? Dietary fat by itself? Protein plus fat?
jennilerche 3 years ago
very interesting
GrahamAndFriends 3 years ago
Thanx a lot for the excellent and detail information, keep up the good work!
era2000x 3 years ago