@superzenith idk wtf ur talking about born in germany you what ever the fuck you are and i will make like a compilation video or ill bring her on camera
u fags and white trash deserve each other!! look ar the supposed German Nazis leaders they worship. half of them are gay. Ernst Rohm,Hitler,Goering,etc..
beautiful. All the worlds Aids spreading faggots n white lowlifes together in one basket!! u can fuck n suck each other dry on White Gay Trash Island till u all dies from HIV
@LORDGOAT1976 Yeah... even thou all the evidence shows it is heterosexual men who are the main abusers... But I guess that just does not fit in with your perception of the world. So sad to live in an isolated little mind.
@ORaddlyispissedoff Well given that I am a gay man and have been around twice as long as you... I think I know well about people with small minds and bigoted attitudes.... But I have also been around long enough to have seen how much has changed in such a short period of time. So it is people like you who are being left behind by the rest of the world. People like you are fast becoming the minority in terms of attitude.
I didn't say skinheads must hate fags I said fags can't be skinheads cause skinheads only had GAY BASHING to do with gays and you asked me references about homosexuality I did I didn't post the whole chapter cause that is too much space to use and youtube does not have that much, but yeah you can read it all I don't oppose to that read it closely so you will get my point
and my point about homos not bein' able of bein'g skinheads is skinheads an homos only had this in common (which is not pretty nice thing to have in common)((beating of the drums)): GAY BAASHING that's what I have against you, the only "skinheads" who were fags were neonazi and guess what nazis ain't real skinheads and will never be so if you are not a nazi you can't be a gay "skinhead" and if you are you are not a true skinhead
@ORaddlyispissedoff Well as I said, as soon as you explain your comment we could all see what a ridiculous reason it is. You must have really dug deep to come up with that one. Not one part of that makes any sense at all. In one comment you have managed to say that all skinheads hate gay men, yet you claim to be a skinhead who does not hate gay men. Therefore, by your own definition you can't be a skinhead. Hey man, If I were you I would give up now before you make yourself look anymore stupid.
@ORaddlyispissedoff Except for Romans, the other references are from the Old Testament... I see your use of Romans is only partial and does not take account of all the other things St. Paul talked about as guidance for Christians. Divorce, adultery, sex with a minor, abortion, theft, false witness.... You pull out only a reference you think you can use to condemn homosexuality. You need to read the context of the preamble up to verses 26-27: Romans 1: 21-32. Too long to post in the limit here.
if any one reads peter who was one of the greates men in christian history he says homosexuals won't enter the kingdom of heaven why to be a Christian or how if you're still bein'g condemned by God himslef
@ORaddlyispissedoff You said "I mean the bible orders them to be killed." I asked you to show where the bible says that, then you come back with "he [Peter] says homosexuals won't enter the kingdom of heaven". You still can't get it right, Peter is never quoted as saying anything like that. Maybe you confused Peter with St. Paul? Yet, even St. Paul never made any references to homosexuality. Still, that is not the same as condemning homosexuals to death. Honestly, you really look an idiot now.
@ORaddlyispissedoff So maybe next time you try to use a religious reference you first make sure you know what your are saying. The reason the Roman Catholic Church and other christian churches don't call for homosexuals to be put to death is because there are no references in the bible to the killing of homosexuals. Strange that the only form of religion to impose the death sentence on homosexuals is Islam. And only in respect of adultery. So your views are more inline with Islam than Christian.
man (or girl) come on I don't know why should I be receving all this replies I am not your friend I don't want to have them in my inbox it's just becoming annoying and I don't know why are we about stereotypes I am bored of having this senseless shit, I mean chat, the fact that many people call themselves something does not automatically turns them into that you gotta fit into what you're calling yourself if you don't that can be nothing but bullshit
@ORaddlyispissedoff Well if you don't want all these replies then stop making comments. Of course I am going to reply when I see such comments on here. If you were not so ignorant you could workout from my name what gender I am. Because unlike you I don't hide behind some online user name. Just try using your brain before you say something that shows you up for a fool. So go run and don't even bother to explain your original comment. Not my problem if you can't stand over your original comment.
@KarlHayden I said I didnt really check your name "Karl" and I'm not hiding under my user name I thought it was cool and took it I have explained my comment since I got here, that does not make any sense. that you only take your "facts" as real is what makes you think I'm not defending my position I have and you have dismissed it as wrong cause you are already biased with the "homos can be skinheads cause I know many fags who say they're one" so facts are less important that words for you
@ORaddlyispissedoff No I never said my facts dismissed your comment... I have repeatedly asked you to explain how it can be that because some skinheads bet up gay men, gay men can't be skinheads. If you did then i could reply directly to that, but you still have not clearly spelled it out. Until you do i will continue to ask you to do that. But at this stage it is clear to me and anyone who bothered to read all this, that you can't explain it without looking stupid.
@ORaddlyispissedoff and I'm actually black so??? what with the race thing sorry if I didn't make clear I am not a nazi which obvusly I'm not I'm saying that the NF skinhead faction came almost two or three years after real skinheads came about and homos didn't apear but I don't know when it was not after neonazis came i guess at the time nick crane was around (there, first homos were nazis weird but true) and that was a long way after oi! came out I'm not a biggot in a strict sense
so called Christians welcoming homosexuals to their churches does not mean original Christianity (primitive church) agrees with that if they read their bibles they would be truly upset about what they read I mean the bible orders them to be killed but tha't other topic I would really get pissedd off with if we keep on it and as I said the only thing skinheads have and will alaways have to do with homos is gay-bashing they can't be skinheads cause skinheads hate them and black ppl ain't neonazis
@ORaddlyispissedoff Not true... there is no reference in the Bible to killing gay men. And I have yet to meet a so called Christian who lives up to every commandment and rule the bible states. As a Christian you are expected to live up to the teaching of Jesus. There are many forms of Christianity and not all of them condemn homosexuality. But yet again, being the absolutist you are, you take only one view. That is like sheep following the leader. What a sad way to live your life.
@KarlHayden yes there is reference and a lot of them the teachings of Jesus are confirmation of old testament staments they never go against it it's just a compliment Jesus did say we have to love every one but about homosexuality new testament says they will not enter the kingdom of heaven unless they quit on that
and as for your arguements the following my logic is shit I mean saying that because I say homos can't be skins has nothing to do with races not bein' able to be skinheads I mean homos are in every race so that ain't a sound arguement I mean you can all pretend you're skinheads and look like we do but as with nazis and commies it's just the look but no skinhead pride inside
@ORaddlyispissedoff Let me tell you something.. I have heard a better and more meaningful explanation of what skinhead is about from some gay men than I have ever heard from any straight skinhead. In my experience most gay skinheads are more aware of the original meaning than straight skinheads because they grew up with the stereotype of skinheads hating gay men and therefor paid more attention to what it is about. So please don't start telling me that gay men are only in it because of the look.
yeah I never been rude or anything to you I don't know how is it that you get pissed I am against them calling themselves caus ethe only thing skins had to do with them was the so-called "gay-bashing" I mean no offense I am not pretty tolerant about it but I have acted polite and against my views, so give real arguements no stuff like "skinheads started in the year [set number here] and had nothing to do with [name political party here]" but you still have history against you
@ORaddlyispissedoff History is not against me. I acknowledged some skinheads beat up gay men, but also, so did many other groups of people. That does not in mean gay men cannot be skinheads because of the acts of some skinheads. You need to think of the logical extension of your argument... so gay men can't be Christians because Christianity says it is wrong. Place your comment in any other context and see how ridiculous it sounds. Other than homophobia, what reason would you be so absolutist?
@KarlHayden acktually they can't be Christian but that's some other topic. and yeah because of the generalized acts of many sknheads if not most of them so (doing as you do) as it was not all skinheads who beat up hippies, skinheads can be non-working elite dirty people that hate their countries? and not because of homophobia cause I don't fear you (if you're gay) nor fully hate you and where does the absolutist thing come from? I'm only stating what I think makes sense
@ORaddlyispissedoff "I'm only stating what I think makes sense". But you still haven't explained why you think gay men can't be skinheads... just saying it does not explain the reasoning behind it. Tell us why you think some skinheads beating up gay men means gay men can't be skinheads. Just saying it does not make it right.
@ORaddlyispissedoff "acktually they can't be Christian", there we go again, a absolute statement. Forgetting that some Christian groups do welcome gay people and some gay people do hold religious views. This is exactly what I am trying to show you is the flaw in your original comment, and why I used the term absolutist. You don't seem to see any grey areas in the issue at all. Therefore you are an absolutist in your views. That is just not logical. It shows you have not thought about it.
wow dude or girl you have a lot of time to waste but I'm not gonna keep on this discussing I think homos have been making up some other stuff to make their position more believable, I have not explained what skinheads are about but what they were not about I will never believe skinheads can be fags or tha tfags could be skinheads cause they have always been alter egos, and sorry to say that but NF skinheads are more likely to be skinheads for bein' closer to the day original skinheads apeared
@ORaddlyispissedoff What a load of bollox! You can't explain yourself because you know you have no leg to stand on. You made a ridiculous comment at the start and you have avoided explaining it because you know your were wrong. You just are not man enough to admit it. Here we go again with someone who claims to be a skinhead and has little or no comprehension of what that means. It is as stupid as me saying you are a drug trafficker because you are from Columbia. It makes no sense.
@ORaddlyispissedoff Trying to cover yourself by asking if I am a man or a woman, that really just shows how on the defensive you are. Trying a cheap trick, like questioning my gender to make some childish reference to my sexual orientation, only deserves contempt and shows you for the childish mind you have. And to say that NF skins are somehow more acceptable than gay men as skins says so much about your attitudes to people of other races. You finally show yourself for what you are, a bigot.
@ORaddlyispissedoff Being polite does not make your comment right. I am not giving set answers in response to what you have said. I am replying with fact and because that does not fit with your particular view of skinhead cultural history you are trying to dance around it. If you are going to comment in a public forum then expect people to react and if they have replied initially in a respectful way and still get ignorant and badly informed replies, then expect some kind of reaction.
and I don't understand why should I be called "homophobic" I don't fear nor hate homos I just don't think people that were targeted by skinheads should call themselves skinheads just like jews calling themselves mulims or nazis do you understand? if it were just the music I wouldn't give two shits but it isn't it's always been cause skins have this manly look homos like bein' around,
PS: i know english as much as you do
PS2: what the hell with all the insecurity crap? racists ain't black inside
@ORaddlyispissedoff by racist I mean neonazis and this is what you said about the last resort "That hardly makes them original skinheads" gotta make something else up to defend non straight life style
@ORaddlyispissedoff Clearly you don't understand simple English... I never referred to them as neo-nazis. What I said was they were not original skinheads because they did not come from the beginning of the skinhead culture. They formed after the various splits and the emergence of far right political skinheads. Try to use whatever brain power you have to understand what I wrote.
@KarlHayden when did I say that? I mean no comment made by me says you called [I don't know who you're refering to] were nazis did I if so point that out for me and with the offensive shit try some arguements, let's treat each other in same terms I have never offensed you not for being sensitive but I guess that is how rational arguements should be held.
@ORaddlyispissedoff "..I just don't think people that were targeted by skinheads should call themselves skinheads..". So explain what that means. The only clear understanding of that statement is that to be a skinhead you must be straight and be motivated by hatred to want to beat up gay men. Or, is it that you are a gay man and you feel it is wrong for gay men to be skinheads because some skinheads beat up gay men? Neither makes any sense. This is your opportunity to explain your comment.
what the hell does the political thing comes from? man you don't have real arguments you're makin' my comments say shite I didin't say if you see what I wrote you will see no politics there you are kinda programed to answer black people used to beat homos up too so blacks could be skinheads too and no body say "homophobia" was what skinnheads were all about you must have some reading comprehension problems you gotta set your facts right skinheads can be of any race they want to but gays cant!!
@ORaddlyispissedoff Of course I have real arguments. But when replying to something as stupid as someone saying gay men can't be skinheads because some skinheads beat up gay men what the fuck sense can anyone make of something so stupid it defies belief. To follow your 'logic' I would have to accept gay men can't belong to any other group in society because some members of that group have attacked gay men. What logic is that? Go and grow up a bit before you make a complete idiot of yourself.
@ORaddlyispissedoff "skinheads can be of any race they want to but gays cant!!" What is that supposed to mean? Are you trying to say gay men can't be of any race or are you trying to say skinheads can be any race, but gay men can't be skinheads? Both comments are ignorant. Just because it doesn't fit your image of gay men does not make you right. It would be like saying that given the attitudes of the black community towards homosexuality, gay men can't be black. Try thinking before you comment.
@ORaddlyispissedoff "no body say "homophobia" was what skinnheads were all about". But that is exactly what you are saying in your comments, can you really be that stupid? I was willing to give you the benefit of a language comprehension problem, but you seem to think what you said was clearly articulated in English. So don't be surprised when you get a reaction which does not agree with you. You said gay men can't be skinheads because skinheads beat up gay men. What other explanation is there.
@KarlHayden still it does not mean skinheads were all about as well as listening to regae is not what skinheads were all about I don't know why would any one end up thinking that way, I mean if skinheads beat up hippies can skinheads like not to work or wash? it does not fit man don't get pissed relax a little bit, people not agreeing with you, shouldn't be worrying you so much I mean calling people stupid can save you some time but hell dude or girl (don't know what you are) that is not the way
@ORaddlyispissedoff Oh my God!.. that is exactly what skinhead was about originally, music. Not necessarily and exclusively Regae, but it was about music. The only reason the look came into it was because of the influence of other music orientated looks of the early 60's and the access working class kids had to money and clothing. But maybe you might enlighten us all with your own version of what united a particular group of kids together?
@ORaddlyispissedoff What upsets me is when guys like you come along and start spouting rubbish about skinheads and who can and can't be a skinhead, based on your misinformed view of what skinheads are. Unlike you I have met skinheads from the late 60's who knew very well what it was all about before it started to split up into various groups like those based on some far-right or far left political ideology.
skinheads used to beat up gays remember gay-bashing? don't you see that no old skinhead is gay that's gotta be something, you can't call yourself a trad skin cause trad skins are the ones that bashed the hell out of gays back then, and if you know why rash was formed you'll see that you can't be SHARP either, the only gay "skins" can be rash and gash
@ORaddlyispissedoff Many groups of people beat up gay men in the past and still do to this day, skinhead or not. RASH (Red and Anarchist Skinheads) and GASH (Gay Aryan Skinheads) are two sides of the same coin. Both hold extremist political views. SHARP (Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice) might also be seen as political, but not as extremist. Trad Skins (Traditional Skinheads) are skinheads who hold to the origins of skinhead music look and culture, it is not politically motivated...
@ORaddlyispissedoff As for "don't you see that no old skinhead is gay that's gotta be something" you are wrong. I have met two guys in London who are gay and also skinheads since about 1971. You seem to have a stereotypical view of gay men. Gay men can be as politically extreme and brutal as anyone else. It is quite possible for gay men, not only to hold extreme left or right wing views, but to be skinheads, punks, emos, rappers, scally and any other kind of subculture you can think of also.
@KarlHayden I've never said gays can't be extremist they actually are most of the time I'm just saying they can't call themselves skinheads given the fact real skinheads used to gay-bash them I mean if they call themselves skinheads they only do because of rash of gash, I find it amusing that people wanting to go back to the spirit of 69 (not the time when skinheads were born but when they started to be called skinheads) they cannot say that it is possible for gays to call themselves skinheads
@ORaddlyispissedoff No they don't, I have never heard any of the gay skins I talked to refer to RASH or GASH, they are both so obscure I doubt any of the guys even heard of them. Also, you refer to The Last Resort, who only formed in 1980 and had their first gig in 1981. That hardly makes them original skinheads. Also to correct one other factual mistake you made. The term skinhead did not actually get coined until 1973 after a BBC News report on football violence in the UK....
@KarlHayden I was wrong in stating that the term 'skinhead' only started being used from about 1973. What I should have said was, it was the first time it was used in a BBC report. Using "Skinhead Moonstomp" as a reference the term can be traced back to before 1973. The track was written by: Ray Ellis, Josh Roberts and Monty Naismith of Symarip and featured on the album "Skinhead Moonstomp", released in 1970 on the Trojan label.
@ORaddlyispissedoff No they don't, I have never heard any of the gay skins I talked to refer to RASH or GASH, they are both so obscure I doubt any of the guys even heard of them. Also, you refer to The Last Resort, who only formed in 1980 and had their first gig in 1981. That hardly makes them original skinheads. Also to correct one other factual mistake you made. The term skinhead did not actually get coined until 1973 after a BBC News report on football violence in the UK....
The original skinheads didn't shave their, it was a No 1 or 2. You didn't seeing fully shaved heads until the late 70s early 80s. Look at the pictures in books like 'Spirit of '69: A Skinhead Bible' to see how early skinheads looked. I have no idea where you are getting your information, but you are just factually wrong. Your whole premiss is that gay men can't be skinheads because some skinheads beat up gay men. That's just not correct, you need to go back and learn the true history of skins.
@KarlHayden the point is you can try to be skinheads but as well as nazis and commies you don't fit, and it wasn't just a reduced amount of skins beating up homos back then there were too many doin' it not saying it is right but to be true skin you have to care less or nothing about race (every one that is a piece of shite you beat him up), gotta have your politics aside and remember that you can't be what skinheads were not or hated just saying and WTF is with the shaving their head?
@ORaddlyispissedoff There is something being lost in translation. If we were to accept your premiss, it would mean that Skinhead represents only homophobia and right-wing political views. But that is not what original skinheads were about. First not all hetro skinheads hate gay men, second the political stuff did not start coming into skinhead until much later. If we accept your argument then only white, working class, right-wing men and women could be skinheads, that is just not the case.
and about last resort... you say they're not real skins cause they founded the band until the 80's so people who weren't even born at the time skins sterted ain't skinheads? man that can't be more stupid,
homos can be punks and emos not skins, and your facts are way wrong skinheads weren't called skinheads until the 70's by the UK why did symarip made the song "skinhead moonstomp" in 1969? I have my facts wrong really or is it you misleadin' facts to make us think what you think?
@ORaddlyispissedoff The Last Resort, I never said they weren't skinheads. I mentioned the year they formed to show you they were not around when skinhead first started back in the late 60's. By the time the 80's came along the skinhead culture had experienced many splits and sub-groups. The Last Resort only represent one particular sub-group within skinhead culture. I realise English is not your first language, but you really do need to read things more carefully.
@ORaddlyispissedoff "homos can be punks and emos not skins" WTF does that mean? AND, who made you the one to decide who can and can't be a skinhead? Just because you don't like the idea of gay men who also identify with the music and culture of skinheads, does not mean you can exclude gay men from it. Your homophobia is your own and just because gay men also identify with skinhead does not undermine your sexual orientation. Maybe there is something going on with you that makes you so sensitive?
@KarlHayden cause that goes against what sknheads used to stand for have you ever listened to Johnny Bardens by the last resort? they sing about a men that ended up killing a homo cause he was bein' molested, and you see that mostly gay "skins" are "skins" because of fetishism not because of the life slyle
and you said skinhead is just a music style or something like that but skinheads are more than that this is an even greater thing not just the look or music
@leirgauk Yes of course... people seem to think skinhead is some kind of political movement from the far right. It has nothing to do with politics, it is a music subculture. You personally can have any political belief you want after that.
@KarlHayden That really is a shame. If I'm not mistaken, the whole culture rose in Britain as a response to the high immigration rates and cultural diversity, mainly the Jamaican culture, and is really a tribute to the Jamaican ska-culture and a warm, assimilating welcoming. Pretty ironic.
@leirgauk It is only a shame if we let the origins of skinhead get taken over by right-wing neo-nazis who seem to think that is what skinhead is all about. So as long as there remains skinheads who are true to the original skinhead culture, that will reflect the true nature of skinhead. I am glad to say there still are a lot of skinheads around who hold to that.
@SDainiuss Here we go again... yet another former Soviet Block country, this time Lithuania. What is it with all these guys from these countries??? They really have just replaced one form of dictatorship with another in their heads. And like the others, this guy is too stupid to even realise it. It is just amazing the attitudes of these guys.
Head's up to the cute chap at 07:00! He must be a real conundrum. He would be worth doing a mini-documentary on identity. Fortunately things are changing and it's down to brave guys like this one,someone who who challenges stereotypes in the best way possible........by being himself.
Another point is that the original Punk movement embraced gay, in fact if it were not for several gay club owners in London who first allowed Punks into their clubs (louise's/copa-cabana etc), then put on Punk nights, there may not have been a Punk movement. So all these Nazi OI fans should listen as there would be no OI without Punk. This is well documented in any good book about Punk. Gene October (Chelsea) is gay, he was the one who turned 'Shageramas' into "The Roxy", most famous Punk venue.
You did a great job with this project. Like I said before, I see Skinhead culture and Hip Hop culture being very much alike. For some reason some of us, even myself feel we have to prove something. The bottom line is , many of us are being played like a song on the radio. Images, media and other peoples influences are driving us to work. I'm a Black Man. Proud to be me, before anything. And that took some time. We all need to realize, we are our own person. You follow, you create nothing. BOOM.
@pigdriverful Another intelligent comment, a well reasoned and thought out comment. Sadly again from someone in a former Soviet Block country. It is like these people are stuck in a time warp and can't move out of it. I actually feel sorry for them now. They must live a very shallow and lonely life to make them so bitter and angry. I think they are to be pitied for not seeing the richness of diversity in the world around them. They are to be pitied rather than feared. They are sad people.
This is the most confusing documentary I've ever seen. If skinheads aren't invariably racist, what hold them together? Politics? No, that's been debunked here, although one of the men think being in the working class is part of the skinhead identity, most of the other interviewees disagree. It seems the one thing that holds skinheads together is fashion and fetishism, and maybe sexism (not touched upon yet). I haven't finished the docu, but am I getting this right?
@thruruby One of the problems with a sub culture that has been around 40 years are the amount of splits which happen over time. If I made a chart to show how skinhead culture has developed over the years and what distinguishes one group from another it would look like a family tree over 2 or 3 generations. Each generation splitting out before the next generation. The idea was to take a group of gay skins and see how they each answer the same questions and leave the audience to conclude.
I don't see these people as skinheads. Just as I don't see neo-nazis as "real" skinheads.
Yes there has been many splits among the subculture but these gay "skinheads" have gone too far from the original culture to qualify as real skins, well to me anyway. If you notice in the first clip... some of them say to be a skinhead is just to shave your hair and dress up on the weekends. That pretty much says it all these people are into it for the fetish. These are not real skinheads...
@workingthrash I think it is a bit unfair to say all the guys are doing it as a fetish because a couple of them in this documentary made the comments you picked up on. They don't all say it. Some of them clearly are into it as a fetish and it is fair to say that.
I'm interested to hear what you think defines someone as a skinhead. I'd also like to hear how other people would define skinhead.
@KarlHayden I quite agree with what thruruby says, For me a skinhead (and i am not a skinhead myself) is not only dressing up as most in the videos have said, but someone who has embraced that subculture: honoring and being proud of a working class that has obtained everything that owns with the sweat of their foreheads, that dress up with that agressive look as a way of bringing back the image of the traditional though guy (image that in the 60's was deteriorated by the hippy trend)
@dhoakohime the ideals of devoting to the group as form of protecting the others with the same points of view against a society that won't give them the minimum opportunities to develop, a group that also has the same interests (football as the expression of how important the idea of "my territory" was for them) and all the black scene music brought from jamaica, a moovement that they respected fully, etc. In a sentence, the original skinhead, who, btw, had some issues with pakistani community
@dhoakohime and i apply that samecategorization (sorry of that word is wrong..i am form spain and i am not sure if it is correct ^^') to every form of subculture. For me there are few skinheads left, same as there are few goths left, few rockers left, etc. When you label yourself like that, it has to be because you believe in the moral, politic, life-style, dressing, musical etc, ideas of that specific subculture, otherwise it is just superficial fetichism for the clothes or look or whatever
Responder a este vídeo... oh yes! about the gay component. So far i haven't read anything about the original skinheads concerning sexuality, but it is true that in the 60's 70's it wasn't such a public theme like nowadays. However, i don't see any contradiction with being gay and being skinhead so far (yes..masculinity and gay are not antagonists..sad to see how people think a gay IS allways super femenine..). So far skinhead values are more related to brotherhood and such.
So yes, you can be gay, and skinhead, Unfortunately, as i have seen in the videos very little of them are really skinheads...i'd say the older one, with cargo pants, is the only one that understand and embraces more or less the skinhead moovement. Until i read something saying that original skinhead moovement was totally against gay people...this is my point of view...however i think sexuality only concerns oneself and noone should care about it and shouldn't concern political views and such...
@gogogoultraman I had to go check... because at first I thought this comment must have been left by a 12 year old. What a shock it was to find you are actually 24 years old. Go figure...
dumb people from the usa think that skinheads are nazis
blooddache 1 day ago
I can see this being made into one of those claymation interviews like the guys from "Wallace & Grommit" used to do.
cpmkw 1 week ago
i spilt my damn soup on my cat..then he shot himself
skinheadfred94 1 month ago
I reckon quite a few of the nazi skins take it up the ass too... wouldn't surprise me
dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
@dowhatthouwiltful i hate gays so ya
usmc123100 1 month ago
@usmc123100 Its a bit generalising though isn't it? As long as your not being bothered by gay people... what's the issue?
dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
@dowhatthouwiltful they have they have harrassed me my hole life
usmc123100 1 month ago
i hate gay people
usmc123100 1 month ago
@usmc123100 You just need a cock up your ass... then you'll love them! lol.
dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
@dowhatthouwiltful i have a girl friend acually you sick bastard and homos are going down
usmc123100 1 month ago
@usmc123100 your hand doesnt count as a girl friend you fucking ugly American downie
superzenith 1 month ago
@superzenith idk wtf ur talking about born in germany you what ever the fuck you are and i will make like a compilation video or ill bring her on camera
usmc123100 1 month ago
@usmc123100 Yeah right sure you do, lol. Probably a girl with a penis :-D
dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
@dowhatthouwiltful ight bitch shes coming over today so ill show her off fag
usmc123100 1 month ago
@usmc123100 Oh so 'she' is going to show her cock off :-D
dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
@dowhatthouwiltful so you want my ss to tear you apart :) 88
usmc123100 1 month ago
@usmc123100 Ah your one of those hitler gays, fair enough... hail anus! lol.
dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
@dowhatthouwiltful ROTFLMAO!!
tubewerkz 1 month ago
fantastic documentary..
Tara20052 1 month ago
straight
klassklassklass 3 months ago
u fags and white trash deserve each other!! look ar the supposed German Nazis leaders they worship. half of them are gay. Ernst Rohm,Hitler,Goering,etc..
tubewerkz 4 months ago
beautiful. All the worlds Aids spreading faggots n white lowlifes together in one basket!! u can fuck n suck each other dry on White Gay Trash Island till u all dies from HIV
tubewerkz 4 months ago
@tubewerkz Actually straight Latin women have the highest rates of HIV.
theresuga 3 months ago
@tubewerkz Sounds like you wanna get in on the action, lol
dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
@dowhatthouwiltful Yea,gay Nazi leaders in Calvin Kleins model underwear! Can't get enough!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
tubewerkz 1 month ago
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dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
@tubewerkz Its quite amusing how anti-gay Nazi skins are... when you have guys like Nicky Craine, lol.
dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
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Your all Child Molesters
LORDGOAT1976 4 months ago in playlist CROSSOVER
@LORDGOAT1976 Yeah... even thou all the evidence shows it is heterosexual men who are the main abusers... But I guess that just does not fit in with your perception of the world. So sad to live in an isolated little mind.
KarlHayden 4 months ago 4
and as for that I ain't worth losin' time I don't think you really are you are learning ppl won't like you every were you go
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Well given that I am a gay man and have been around twice as long as you... I think I know well about people with small minds and bigoted attitudes.... But I have also been around long enough to have seen how much has changed in such a short period of time. So it is people like you who are being left behind by the rest of the world. People like you are fast becoming the minority in terms of attitude.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff
How dare you speak bad about Heterosexuals... Be happy we allow you guys to have your little but sex.
amerRSFC 2 months ago
@amerRSFC what??? I'm straight I never said a shit about straight people like me gotta be a little bit smarter next time
ORaddlyispissedoff 2 months ago
@amerRSFC How are you allowing gay people to do anything... dumbass
dowhatthouwiltful 1 month ago
I didn't say skinheads must hate fags I said fags can't be skinheads cause skinheads only had GAY BASHING to do with gays and you asked me references about homosexuality I did I didn't post the whole chapter cause that is too much space to use and youtube does not have that much, but yeah you can read it all I don't oppose to that read it closely so you will get my point
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
and my point about homos not bein' able of bein'g skinheads is skinheads an homos only had this in common (which is not pretty nice thing to have in common)((beating of the drums)): GAY BAASHING that's what I have against you, the only "skinheads" who were fags were neonazi and guess what nazis ain't real skinheads and will never be so if you are not a nazi you can't be a gay "skinhead" and if you are you are not a true skinhead
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Well as I said, as soon as you explain your comment we could all see what a ridiculous reason it is. You must have really dug deep to come up with that one. Not one part of that makes any sense at all. In one comment you have managed to say that all skinheads hate gay men, yet you claim to be a skinhead who does not hate gay men. Therefore, by your own definition you can't be a skinhead. Hey man, If I were you I would give up now before you make yourself look anymore stupid.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff I'm going to bed... you just ain't worth losing anymore sleep over.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
alright yes I made a mistake about the name see these references
leviticus 18: 22. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
abomination.
romans 1: 26, 27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even
their women did change the natural use into that which is
against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
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@ORaddlyispissedoff 71. Leviticus 20:13: If a man also LIE with mankind, as he LIEth with a woman, both
of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom
of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with
mankind,
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Except for Romans, the other references are from the Old Testament... I see your use of Romans is only partial and does not take account of all the other things St. Paul talked about as guidance for Christians. Divorce, adultery, sex with a minor, abortion, theft, false witness.... You pull out only a reference you think you can use to condemn homosexuality. You need to read the context of the preamble up to verses 26-27: Romans 1: 21-32. Too long to post in the limit here.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
if any one reads peter who was one of the greates men in christian history he says homosexuals won't enter the kingdom of heaven why to be a Christian or how if you're still bein'g condemned by God himslef
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff You said "I mean the bible orders them to be killed." I asked you to show where the bible says that, then you come back with "he [Peter] says homosexuals won't enter the kingdom of heaven". You still can't get it right, Peter is never quoted as saying anything like that. Maybe you confused Peter with St. Paul? Yet, even St. Paul never made any references to homosexuality. Still, that is not the same as condemning homosexuals to death. Honestly, you really look an idiot now.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff So maybe next time you try to use a religious reference you first make sure you know what your are saying. The reason the Roman Catholic Church and other christian churches don't call for homosexuals to be put to death is because there are no references in the bible to the killing of homosexuals. Strange that the only form of religion to impose the death sentence on homosexuals is Islam. And only in respect of adultery. So your views are more inline with Islam than Christian.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
man (or girl) come on I don't know why should I be receving all this replies I am not your friend I don't want to have them in my inbox it's just becoming annoying and I don't know why are we about stereotypes I am bored of having this senseless shit, I mean chat, the fact that many people call themselves something does not automatically turns them into that you gotta fit into what you're calling yourself if you don't that can be nothing but bullshit
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Well if you don't want all these replies then stop making comments. Of course I am going to reply when I see such comments on here. If you were not so ignorant you could workout from my name what gender I am. Because unlike you I don't hide behind some online user name. Just try using your brain before you say something that shows you up for a fool. So go run and don't even bother to explain your original comment. Not my problem if you can't stand over your original comment.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden I said I didnt really check your name "Karl" and I'm not hiding under my user name I thought it was cool and took it I have explained my comment since I got here, that does not make any sense. that you only take your "facts" as real is what makes you think I'm not defending my position I have and you have dismissed it as wrong cause you are already biased with the "homos can be skinheads cause I know many fags who say they're one" so facts are less important that words for you
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff No I never said my facts dismissed your comment... I have repeatedly asked you to explain how it can be that because some skinheads bet up gay men, gay men can't be skinheads. If you did then i could reply directly to that, but you still have not clearly spelled it out. Until you do i will continue to ask you to do that. But at this stage it is clear to me and anyone who bothered to read all this, that you can't explain it without looking stupid.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff and I'm actually black so??? what with the race thing sorry if I didn't make clear I am not a nazi which obvusly I'm not I'm saying that the NF skinhead faction came almost two or three years after real skinheads came about and homos didn't apear but I don't know when it was not after neonazis came i guess at the time nick crane was around (there, first homos were nazis weird but true) and that was a long way after oi! came out I'm not a biggot in a strict sense
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
so called Christians welcoming homosexuals to their churches does not mean original Christianity (primitive church) agrees with that if they read their bibles they would be truly upset about what they read I mean the bible orders them to be killed but tha't other topic I would really get pissedd off with if we keep on it and as I said the only thing skinheads have and will alaways have to do with homos is gay-bashing they can't be skinheads cause skinheads hate them and black ppl ain't neonazis
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Not true... there is no reference in the Bible to killing gay men. And I have yet to meet a so called Christian who lives up to every commandment and rule the bible states. As a Christian you are expected to live up to the teaching of Jesus. There are many forms of Christianity and not all of them condemn homosexuality. But yet again, being the absolutist you are, you take only one view. That is like sheep following the leader. What a sad way to live your life.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden yes there is reference and a lot of them the teachings of Jesus are confirmation of old testament staments they never go against it it's just a compliment Jesus did say we have to love every one but about homosexuality new testament says they will not enter the kingdom of heaven unless they quit on that
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
and as for your arguements the following my logic is shit I mean saying that because I say homos can't be skins has nothing to do with races not bein' able to be skinheads I mean homos are in every race so that ain't a sound arguement I mean you can all pretend you're skinheads and look like we do but as with nazis and commies it's just the look but no skinhead pride inside
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Let me tell you something.. I have heard a better and more meaningful explanation of what skinhead is about from some gay men than I have ever heard from any straight skinhead. In my experience most gay skinheads are more aware of the original meaning than straight skinheads because they grew up with the stereotype of skinheads hating gay men and therefor paid more attention to what it is about. So please don't start telling me that gay men are only in it because of the look.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
yeah I never been rude or anything to you I don't know how is it that you get pissed I am against them calling themselves caus ethe only thing skins had to do with them was the so-called "gay-bashing" I mean no offense I am not pretty tolerant about it but I have acted polite and against my views, so give real arguements no stuff like "skinheads started in the year [set number here] and had nothing to do with [name political party here]" but you still have history against you
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff History is not against me. I acknowledged some skinheads beat up gay men, but also, so did many other groups of people. That does not in mean gay men cannot be skinheads because of the acts of some skinheads. You need to think of the logical extension of your argument... so gay men can't be Christians because Christianity says it is wrong. Place your comment in any other context and see how ridiculous it sounds. Other than homophobia, what reason would you be so absolutist?
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden acktually they can't be Christian but that's some other topic. and yeah because of the generalized acts of many sknheads if not most of them so (doing as you do) as it was not all skinheads who beat up hippies, skinheads can be non-working elite dirty people that hate their countries? and not because of homophobia cause I don't fear you (if you're gay) nor fully hate you and where does the absolutist thing come from? I'm only stating what I think makes sense
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff "I'm only stating what I think makes sense". But you still haven't explained why you think gay men can't be skinheads... just saying it does not explain the reasoning behind it. Tell us why you think some skinheads beating up gay men means gay men can't be skinheads. Just saying it does not make it right.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff "acktually they can't be Christian", there we go again, a absolute statement. Forgetting that some Christian groups do welcome gay people and some gay people do hold religious views. This is exactly what I am trying to show you is the flaw in your original comment, and why I used the term absolutist. You don't seem to see any grey areas in the issue at all. Therefore you are an absolutist in your views. That is just not logical. It shows you have not thought about it.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
wow dude or girl you have a lot of time to waste but I'm not gonna keep on this discussing I think homos have been making up some other stuff to make their position more believable, I have not explained what skinheads are about but what they were not about I will never believe skinheads can be fags or tha tfags could be skinheads cause they have always been alter egos, and sorry to say that but NF skinheads are more likely to be skinheads for bein' closer to the day original skinheads apeared
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff What a load of bollox! You can't explain yourself because you know you have no leg to stand on. You made a ridiculous comment at the start and you have avoided explaining it because you know your were wrong. You just are not man enough to admit it. Here we go again with someone who claims to be a skinhead and has little or no comprehension of what that means. It is as stupid as me saying you are a drug trafficker because you are from Columbia. It makes no sense.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Trying to cover yourself by asking if I am a man or a woman, that really just shows how on the defensive you are. Trying a cheap trick, like questioning my gender to make some childish reference to my sexual orientation, only deserves contempt and shows you for the childish mind you have. And to say that NF skins are somehow more acceptable than gay men as skins says so much about your attitudes to people of other races. You finally show yourself for what you are, a bigot.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Being polite does not make your comment right. I am not giving set answers in response to what you have said. I am replying with fact and because that does not fit with your particular view of skinhead cultural history you are trying to dance around it. If you are going to comment in a public forum then expect people to react and if they have replied initially in a respectful way and still get ignorant and badly informed replies, then expect some kind of reaction.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
Fucking nazis, Fucking gays! U all will burn one day!
columen 5 months ago 3
and I don't understand why should I be called "homophobic" I don't fear nor hate homos I just don't think people that were targeted by skinheads should call themselves skinheads just like jews calling themselves mulims or nazis do you understand? if it were just the music I wouldn't give two shits but it isn't it's always been cause skins have this manly look homos like bein' around,
PS: i know english as much as you do
PS2: what the hell with all the insecurity crap? racists ain't black inside
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff by racist I mean neonazis and this is what you said about the last resort "That hardly makes them original skinheads" gotta make something else up to defend non straight life style
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Clearly you don't understand simple English... I never referred to them as neo-nazis. What I said was they were not original skinheads because they did not come from the beginning of the skinhead culture. They formed after the various splits and the emergence of far right political skinheads. Try to use whatever brain power you have to understand what I wrote.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden when did I say that? I mean no comment made by me says you called [I don't know who you're refering to] were nazis did I if so point that out for me and with the offensive shit try some arguements, let's treat each other in same terms I have never offensed you not for being sensitive but I guess that is how rational arguements should be held.
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff "..I just don't think people that were targeted by skinheads should call themselves skinheads..". So explain what that means. The only clear understanding of that statement is that to be a skinhead you must be straight and be motivated by hatred to want to beat up gay men. Or, is it that you are a gay man and you feel it is wrong for gay men to be skinheads because some skinheads beat up gay men? Neither makes any sense. This is your opportunity to explain your comment.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
what the hell does the political thing comes from? man you don't have real arguments you're makin' my comments say shite I didin't say if you see what I wrote you will see no politics there you are kinda programed to answer black people used to beat homos up too so blacks could be skinheads too and no body say "homophobia" was what skinnheads were all about you must have some reading comprehension problems you gotta set your facts right skinheads can be of any race they want to but gays cant!!
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Of course I have real arguments. But when replying to something as stupid as someone saying gay men can't be skinheads because some skinheads beat up gay men what the fuck sense can anyone make of something so stupid it defies belief. To follow your 'logic' I would have to accept gay men can't belong to any other group in society because some members of that group have attacked gay men. What logic is that? Go and grow up a bit before you make a complete idiot of yourself.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff "skinheads can be of any race they want to but gays cant!!" What is that supposed to mean? Are you trying to say gay men can't be of any race or are you trying to say skinheads can be any race, but gay men can't be skinheads? Both comments are ignorant. Just because it doesn't fit your image of gay men does not make you right. It would be like saying that given the attitudes of the black community towards homosexuality, gay men can't be black. Try thinking before you comment.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff "no body say "homophobia" was what skinnheads were all about". But that is exactly what you are saying in your comments, can you really be that stupid? I was willing to give you the benefit of a language comprehension problem, but you seem to think what you said was clearly articulated in English. So don't be surprised when you get a reaction which does not agree with you. You said gay men can't be skinheads because skinheads beat up gay men. What other explanation is there.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden still it does not mean skinheads were all about as well as listening to regae is not what skinheads were all about I don't know why would any one end up thinking that way, I mean if skinheads beat up hippies can skinheads like not to work or wash? it does not fit man don't get pissed relax a little bit, people not agreeing with you, shouldn't be worrying you so much I mean calling people stupid can save you some time but hell dude or girl (don't know what you are) that is not the way
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Oh my God!.. that is exactly what skinhead was about originally, music. Not necessarily and exclusively Regae, but it was about music. The only reason the look came into it was because of the influence of other music orientated looks of the early 60's and the access working class kids had to money and clothing. But maybe you might enlighten us all with your own version of what united a particular group of kids together?
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff What upsets me is when guys like you come along and start spouting rubbish about skinheads and who can and can't be a skinhead, based on your misinformed view of what skinheads are. Unlike you I have met skinheads from the late 60's who knew very well what it was all about before it started to split up into various groups like those based on some far-right or far left political ideology.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
that german faggot skinhead with the red fred perry t shirt gives me the creeps
pikemancolley 5 months ago
not one of em is missing there fred perry shirt... how fashionable hahahaha
CVPSYCHO 5 months ago
@CVPSYCHO In fairness... not everyone is wearing a Fred Perry top. One of them is wearing an ordinary black shirt :-)
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden Actually... two of them are wearing ordinary shirts, I think :-)
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden haha yea i know im just fuckin around
CVPSYCHO 5 months ago
skinheads used to beat up gays remember gay-bashing? don't you see that no old skinhead is gay that's gotta be something, you can't call yourself a trad skin cause trad skins are the ones that bashed the hell out of gays back then, and if you know why rash was formed you'll see that you can't be SHARP either, the only gay "skins" can be rash and gash
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff Many groups of people beat up gay men in the past and still do to this day, skinhead or not. RASH (Red and Anarchist Skinheads) and GASH (Gay Aryan Skinheads) are two sides of the same coin. Both hold extremist political views. SHARP (Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice) might also be seen as political, but not as extremist. Trad Skins (Traditional Skinheads) are skinheads who hold to the origins of skinhead music look and culture, it is not politically motivated...
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff As for "don't you see that no old skinhead is gay that's gotta be something" you are wrong. I have met two guys in London who are gay and also skinheads since about 1971. You seem to have a stereotypical view of gay men. Gay men can be as politically extreme and brutal as anyone else. It is quite possible for gay men, not only to hold extreme left or right wing views, but to be skinheads, punks, emos, rappers, scally and any other kind of subculture you can think of also.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden I've never said gays can't be extremist they actually are most of the time I'm just saying they can't call themselves skinheads given the fact real skinheads used to gay-bash them I mean if they call themselves skinheads they only do because of rash of gash, I find it amusing that people wanting to go back to the spirit of 69 (not the time when skinheads were born but when they started to be called skinheads) they cannot say that it is possible for gays to call themselves skinheads
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff No they don't, I have never heard any of the gay skins I talked to refer to RASH or GASH, they are both so obscure I doubt any of the guys even heard of them. Also, you refer to The Last Resort, who only formed in 1980 and had their first gig in 1981. That hardly makes them original skinheads. Also to correct one other factual mistake you made. The term skinhead did not actually get coined until 1973 after a BBC News report on football violence in the UK....
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden I was wrong in stating that the term 'skinhead' only started being used from about 1973. What I should have said was, it was the first time it was used in a BBC report. Using "Skinhead Moonstomp" as a reference the term can be traced back to before 1973. The track was written by: Ray Ellis, Josh Roberts and Monty Naismith of Symarip and featured on the album "Skinhead Moonstomp", released in 1970 on the Trojan label.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff No they don't, I have never heard any of the gay skins I talked to refer to RASH or GASH, they are both so obscure I doubt any of the guys even heard of them. Also, you refer to The Last Resort, who only formed in 1980 and had their first gig in 1981. That hardly makes them original skinheads. Also to correct one other factual mistake you made. The term skinhead did not actually get coined until 1973 after a BBC News report on football violence in the UK....
KarlHayden 5 months ago
The original skinheads didn't shave their, it was a No 1 or 2. You didn't seeing fully shaved heads until the late 70s early 80s. Look at the pictures in books like 'Spirit of '69: A Skinhead Bible' to see how early skinheads looked. I have no idea where you are getting your information, but you are just factually wrong. Your whole premiss is that gay men can't be skinheads because some skinheads beat up gay men. That's just not correct, you need to go back and learn the true history of skins.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@KarlHayden the point is you can try to be skinheads but as well as nazis and commies you don't fit, and it wasn't just a reduced amount of skins beating up homos back then there were too many doin' it not saying it is right but to be true skin you have to care less or nothing about race (every one that is a piece of shite you beat him up), gotta have your politics aside and remember that you can't be what skinheads were not or hated just saying and WTF is with the shaving their head?
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff There is something being lost in translation. If we were to accept your premiss, it would mean that Skinhead represents only homophobia and right-wing political views. But that is not what original skinheads were about. First not all hetro skinheads hate gay men, second the political stuff did not start coming into skinhead until much later. If we accept your argument then only white, working class, right-wing men and women could be skinheads, that is just not the case.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
and about last resort... you say they're not real skins cause they founded the band until the 80's so people who weren't even born at the time skins sterted ain't skinheads? man that can't be more stupid,
homos can be punks and emos not skins, and your facts are way wrong skinheads weren't called skinheads until the 70's by the UK why did symarip made the song "skinhead moonstomp" in 1969? I have my facts wrong really or is it you misleadin' facts to make us think what you think?
Stay skinhead
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff The Last Resort, I never said they weren't skinheads. I mentioned the year they formed to show you they were not around when skinhead first started back in the late 60's. By the time the 80's came along the skinhead culture had experienced many splits and sub-groups. The Last Resort only represent one particular sub-group within skinhead culture. I realise English is not your first language, but you really do need to read things more carefully.
KarlHayden 5 months ago
@ORaddlyispissedoff "homos can be punks and emos not skins" WTF does that mean? AND, who made you the one to decide who can and can't be a skinhead? Just because you don't like the idea of gay men who also identify with the music and culture of skinheads, does not mean you can exclude gay men from it. Your homophobia is your own and just because gay men also identify with skinhead does not undermine your sexual orientation. Maybe there is something going on with you that makes you so sensitive?
KarlHayden 5 months ago
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ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
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@KarlHayden cause that goes against what sknheads used to stand for have you ever listened to Johnny Bardens by the last resort? they sing about a men that ended up killing a homo cause he was bein' molested, and you see that mostly gay "skins" are "skins" because of fetishism not because of the life slyle
and you said skinhead is just a music style or something like that but skinheads are more than that this is an even greater thing not just the look or music
ORaddlyispissedoff 5 months ago
Look at his toes go!
CaptainFeltcher 6 months ago
Can you be skinhead and communist? Anyway, SKA! SKA! SKA!!!!
leirgauk 6 months ago
@leirgauk Yes of course... people seem to think skinhead is some kind of political movement from the far right. It has nothing to do with politics, it is a music subculture. You personally can have any political belief you want after that.
KarlHayden 6 months ago
@KarlHayden That really is a shame. If I'm not mistaken, the whole culture rose in Britain as a response to the high immigration rates and cultural diversity, mainly the Jamaican culture, and is really a tribute to the Jamaican ska-culture and a warm, assimilating welcoming. Pretty ironic.
leirgauk 6 months ago
@leirgauk It is only a shame if we let the origins of skinhead get taken over by right-wing neo-nazis who seem to think that is what skinhead is all about. So as long as there remains skinheads who are true to the original skinhead culture, that will reflect the true nature of skinhead. I am glad to say there still are a lot of skinheads around who hold to that.
KarlHayden 6 months ago
fucking faggots!!fags-not skinheads!!
SDainiuss 6 months ago
@SDainiuss Here we go again... yet another former Soviet Block country, this time Lithuania. What is it with all these guys from these countries??? They really have just replaced one form of dictatorship with another in their heads. And like the others, this guy is too stupid to even realise it. It is just amazing the attitudes of these guys.
KarlHayden 6 months ago
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Head's up to the cute chap at 07:00! He must be a real conundrum. He would be worth doing a mini-documentary on identity. Fortunately things are changing and it's down to brave guys like this one,someone who who challenges stereotypes in the best way possible........by being himself.
wordscontrolminds 6 months ago
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wordscontrolminds 6 months ago
Another point is that the original Punk movement embraced gay, in fact if it were not for several gay club owners in London who first allowed Punks into their clubs (louise's/copa-cabana etc), then put on Punk nights, there may not have been a Punk movement. So all these Nazi OI fans should listen as there would be no OI without Punk. This is well documented in any good book about Punk. Gene October (Chelsea) is gay, he was the one who turned 'Shageramas' into "The Roxy", most famous Punk venue.
wordscontrolminds 6 months ago
gay
TrojanSkinhead94 6 months ago
There are str8 skinheads who play dress-up! LOL The boneheads aka nazi skinheads have been playing dress-up for decades, LOL
xombie999 6 months ago
You did a great job with this project. Like I said before, I see Skinhead culture and Hip Hop culture being very much alike. For some reason some of us, even myself feel we have to prove something. The bottom line is , many of us are being played like a song on the radio. Images, media and other peoples influences are driving us to work. I'm a Black Man. Proud to be me, before anything. And that took some time. We all need to realize, we are our own person. You follow, you create nothing. BOOM.
bluelifemedia 7 months ago
neo-homos
konjunktion26 7 months ago
I ting!!! XD
Kirat1889 7 months ago
Skinheads are free, and gay skins are not better or worst skinheads!!!
BelieveAtTheLove1 7 months ago
the main thing about this video is it is immensely up itself and boring :(
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pigdriverful 8 months ago 3
@pigdriverful Another intelligent comment, a well reasoned and thought out comment. Sadly again from someone in a former Soviet Block country. It is like these people are stuck in a time warp and can't move out of it. I actually feel sorry for them now. They must live a very shallow and lonely life to make them so bitter and angry. I think they are to be pitied for not seeing the richness of diversity in the world around them. They are to be pitied rather than feared. They are sad people.
KarlHayden 8 months ago 4
@pigdriverful better a brilliant homo than a stupid hetero..fuck off bastard..
TheChrischi1981 7 months ago
Gay skinheads are the equivalent of Jewish Nazis.
skepticswastika1121 8 months ago
poop shoes,this is gay
85Streetfight 10 months ago
This is the most confusing documentary I've ever seen. If skinheads aren't invariably racist, what hold them together? Politics? No, that's been debunked here, although one of the men think being in the working class is part of the skinhead identity, most of the other interviewees disagree. It seems the one thing that holds skinheads together is fashion and fetishism, and maybe sexism (not touched upon yet). I haven't finished the docu, but am I getting this right?
thruruby 10 months ago
@thruruby One of the problems with a sub culture that has been around 40 years are the amount of splits which happen over time. If I made a chart to show how skinhead culture has developed over the years and what distinguishes one group from another it would look like a family tree over 2 or 3 generations. Each generation splitting out before the next generation. The idea was to take a group of gay skins and see how they each answer the same questions and leave the audience to conclude.
KarlHayden 10 months ago
@thruruby
I don't see these people as skinheads. Just as I don't see neo-nazis as "real" skinheads.
Yes there has been many splits among the subculture but these gay "skinheads" have gone too far from the original culture to qualify as real skins, well to me anyway. If you notice in the first clip... some of them say to be a skinhead is just to shave your hair and dress up on the weekends. That pretty much says it all these people are into it for the fetish. These are not real skinheads...
workingthrash 9 months ago 4
@workingthrash I think it is a bit unfair to say all the guys are doing it as a fetish because a couple of them in this documentary made the comments you picked up on. They don't all say it. Some of them clearly are into it as a fetish and it is fair to say that.
I'm interested to hear what you think defines someone as a skinhead. I'd also like to hear how other people would define skinhead.
KarlHayden 9 months ago
@KarlHayden I quite agree with what thruruby says, For me a skinhead (and i am not a skinhead myself) is not only dressing up as most in the videos have said, but someone who has embraced that subculture: honoring and being proud of a working class that has obtained everything that owns with the sweat of their foreheads, that dress up with that agressive look as a way of bringing back the image of the traditional though guy (image that in the 60's was deteriorated by the hippy trend)
dhoakohime 8 months ago
@dhoakohime the ideals of devoting to the group as form of protecting the others with the same points of view against a society that won't give them the minimum opportunities to develop, a group that also has the same interests (football as the expression of how important the idea of "my territory" was for them) and all the black scene music brought from jamaica, a moovement that they respected fully, etc. In a sentence, the original skinhead, who, btw, had some issues with pakistani community
dhoakohime 8 months ago
@dhoakohime and i apply that samecategorization (sorry of that word is wrong..i am form spain and i am not sure if it is correct ^^') to every form of subculture. For me there are few skinheads left, same as there are few goths left, few rockers left, etc. When you label yourself like that, it has to be because you believe in the moral, politic, life-style, dressing, musical etc, ideas of that specific subculture, otherwise it is just superficial fetichism for the clothes or look or whatever
dhoakohime 8 months ago
@dhoakohime sorry for the uber-long comments..but i am very interested in subcultures, urban tribes, etc.
dhoakohime 8 months ago
Responder a este vídeo... oh yes! about the gay component. So far i haven't read anything about the original skinheads concerning sexuality, but it is true that in the 60's 70's it wasn't such a public theme like nowadays. However, i don't see any contradiction with being gay and being skinhead so far (yes..masculinity and gay are not antagonists..sad to see how people think a gay IS allways super femenine..). So far skinhead values are more related to brotherhood and such.
dhoakohime 8 months ago
So yes, you can be gay, and skinhead, Unfortunately, as i have seen in the videos very little of them are really skinheads...i'd say the older one, with cargo pants, is the only one that understand and embraces more or less the skinhead moovement. Until i read something saying that original skinhead moovement was totally against gay people...this is my point of view...however i think sexuality only concerns oneself and noone should care about it and shouldn't concern political views and such...
dhoakohime 8 months ago
nazi is never skin as the swastika is really a symbol of different origins than that of what hitler made it out to be.
ChavvyJay 1 year ago
The fuck. I can maybe see a Gay S.H.A.R.P. but not a gay Nazi.
ElDuderino909 1 year ago
@ElDuderino909 Well I am sorry to say I do know some Gay Skinheads and gay men who are Neo-Nazi in their politics. Go figure...
KarlHayden 1 year ago 5
@KarlHayden Maybe they have some homoerotic fantasy to control other men.I bet they want to fuck other races in the back door
gogogoultraman 6 months ago
@gogogoultraman I had to go check... because at first I thought this comment must have been left by a 12 year old. What a shock it was to find you are actually 24 years old. Go figure...
KarlHayden 6 months ago
@KarlHayden Weak response guy...Besides 12 year olds sometimes know whats up...
gogogoultraman 6 months ago
@ElDuderino909 hitler was one
nanycoy 1 year ago
@ElDuderino909 Dude i can def see gay nazis bro. Not that being gay is bad and all but their's a real fetish for Hitler...
RudyGotSUS 11 months ago