@Cindercheth - this video is flawed and shows common mistakes. Mosaic law doesn't apply anymore to christianity.....Christianity is based on christ's teachings.
@Cindercheth - I'm not going to get into a deep discussion about this because it's late. I'm just saying don't pretend to critique something you don't fully understand.
@zztestenglish Who DOES fully understand the bible? Even within specific faiths, they have disagreements, and form DIFFERENT sects of the same faith...
@Cindercheth - "died to prevent such "laws"' First, he didn't die to prevent laws. he died for our sins. Second, you say "who DOES fully understand the bible?" I agree..there is alot of ignorance out there and you are making one of them. yes, alot of sects are out there and they spread misinformation to people like you. Anyways, I'm dropping this because it is fruitless. I'm going back to the other forum where we normally talk
@Cindercheth I don't pretend to know everything but I have studied this type of stuff. The novice mistakes I see are spreading more b.s. which bugs me....people critique things they don't fully understand which I think is hubris
let's drop this and move onto the other forum like I said before
@Cindercheth I don't pretend to know everything but the novice mistakes bug me. It spreads more misinformation and people critique things they don't fully understand
God is the best friend anyone could have. He is the first to show up to help you cope with the problems that he created. He gives you illness in return you get legions of idiots to tell you he has a plan.
It seems that certain themes dominate this "God's checklist" construct. I would not say you are offering here literary criticism of ancient texts. I detect a decided preference for what is knowable in scientific ways. You bring this perspective to your criticism. At first glance, your arguments are PRESENTIST, imposing on ancient texts realities and concerns of the modern era. Any postmodern doubt regarding the sustainability of your narrative or are you arrogantly intractable?
19.Do not bother to employ your omniscience in such a way as to discern which of these cognitive beings are truly rebelling and which simply don't know how to distinguish you from other gods which do not in fact exist but are the same claims of exclusivity.
@jhall38 Just how would you employ "your" omniscience, or how would you have it employed by your god construct? I smell a rat. You can't have a god's eye perspective and be pissed about it. That's entirely too much fun and simply not allowed. I think the classical position you would be pretending would be that of SATAN, would you not? He gets to be lord of the flies and at the same time gets to bathe in the luxury of being pissed. Is your inability to distinguish among claims problematic?
18.Do not make it clear that you exist. Do not make it obvious. Allow billions and billions of souls to be unthinkably tortured for all of eternity regardless of their character, integrity, bravery, responsibility or conduct because they had not correctly guess that the right set of propositions were true by the time their life on earth was over.
@jhall38 I think you are demanding that particular criteria be used to determine (guess) what is real and true. I believe your criteria are scientific. That is, you are demanding the universe and its creator fit your rational conceptions of it. The creator must submit himself to investigation as it were and his judgments must be understandable in rational ways. There are other ways of knowing. Read "Women's Ways of Knowing". There is intuition, spirit, interpersonal knowing, emotion, etc.
17.Employ various cognitive beings of different writing styles, languages and time periods to scribble all of this down, in so many words, and leave other cognitive beings with the job of translating, copying, compiling and choosing which of these writings to include or exclude from the final product. Make sure to include in these texts the precept that believing in something without evidence is morally superior to investigation and verification.
@jhall38 This almost deserves no response since it is so patently ridiculous. You have blithely summarized, with batting eyelids as you admire yourself, you twit, whole FIELDS of investigation. Oral transmission of ancient texts and their written transmission is more than you caricature. Take a real ancient literature course, science twit. There are other ways of knowing in the postmodern era. Your 'science is king" construct, the arbiter of all that can be known, is on shaky ground.
16.Establish that from this point on the only way for your cognitive beings to reap the benefit of this sacrifice is for them to actually believe that it happened. Uh, again, make sure that this sacrifice occurs before advancements in science and communication are around to verify it for those who weren't present.
@jhall38 Your repeated reference to cognition points to your foundation. You think that everyone's views must be like yours, that all people must rationally interact with all things in terms that you dictate. Rationality is the little subset of human interactions with things as they are and as they might be. There are ways of knowing and being and relating that are FAR superior to rationalist assertions regarding reality and our relationships with it. "Believing" is more than rationalizing.
15.Allow this cognitive being who is your son but also you to grow up and make several revisions to you/your son's original standards of morality and then arrange for other cognitive beings to torture and kill you/your son. Authorize this sacrifice of yourself to yourself as a means of granting all other cognitive beings immunity from the consequences of their sinful nature which you originally allowed them to be born with in the first place.
@jhall38 Ever consider the idea that people change? Revisions in ways of seeing things are necessary and an important aspect of what it means to be human. That the Bible reflects this makes it a gloriously human document with much to tell us about the evolution of ideas among the ancients. This is not to cast aspersion on God but rather to honestly tell of his developing creation. In some ways, things have denigrated. In others, things have improved. We do change, not all for the good.
14.After several thousand years, impregnate one of these cognitive beings so that she gives birth to your son in physical form who also happens to be you at the same time.
13b. But before these cognitive beings become advanced enough in the areas of science and communication that they could actually document, share, playback and verify these epic miracles, make sure that you stop performing them altogether.
13.Perform many epic miracles for all to see and intervene often with your physical creation. Stop the sun in the sky, part the Red Sea, turn rivers into blood and women into pillars of salt. Give men superhuman strength, speak to the thousands with a booming voice from heaven, etc., etc.
12.Declare that until further notice at least the only way for these cognitive beings to rectify their sinful natures while on earth is to perform ritual animal sacrifices and other acts of senseless violence. Also, when certain sins are committed by any of your cognitive beings, demand that the surrounding community kill that being themselves.
11b. Disclaimer: Do not make any attempt to spare these souls the eternal torture of hell such as allowing souls to stop existing altogether or creating an additional non-physical place for them to stay besides 'with you or hell'.
11.Arrange so these cognitive beings have a “soul” which keeps their thoughts & feelings within existence forever, one way or another, then allow the sinfulness of these beings to be incompatible with your presence, and let hell be the only place their souls can go once they exit the physical world.
10.Once these cognitive beings start to reproduce and multiply, do not by any means allow each of them to be born with a clean slate and the option of staying sin free judged on their own merit, but rather, instead, install in these cognitive beings a sinful nature from birth.
8.Allow Lucifer to take a physical form and to make a convincing case to one of them for eating from that tree. Do not prevent this or intervene.
9.Once your cognitive beings eat from the tree and finally understand what sin is, ah, right on schedule by the way, punish them for having committed it. You know, make life finite, food unplentiful, childbirth incredibly [sic] painful, etc., etc.
7.Make sure that these cognitive beings are capable of reproducing & multiplying & then arrange it so that as soon as one of your cognitive beings does commit a sin, everyone of their descendants until the end of time will be born guilty for that sin and will be inherently deserving of punishment.
6Then create 2 sentient, cognitive beings who have no knowledge of these standards and instruct them not to eat of the tree which would enlighten them. [Ii.e.], arrange it so that only after they eat of the tree are they capable of understanding that eating from the tree was in fact a sin.
4.Create objective standards of right and wrong and label any action that is contrary to your standards of right “sin”.
5.Create the earth and a physical universe in which it can exist all with the appearance of age and then create a tree with fruit that provides knowledge of your objective moral standards.
1.Decide you want something other than yourself to exist.
2.Create a being with the name of Lucifer with full knowledge that this being will betray you and cause the suffering of billions of souls unnecessarily.
3.Allow a horrible place like hell to be created, by yourself or by Lucifer perhaps and allow that place to continue existing. Don't override or halt creation of such a horrible place. It will come into play later.
What follows in numerous posts is the transcription of “God's Checklist”. There are obvious flaws in these points. First, there is a Euro-Western philosphic bent – e.g., the constant references to cognition. Feminist/postmodern critique of this "'science is king' grand narrative" is called for. This construct can not win simply by merit of its wordiness and rapid pace. Platonic doubt regarding the reliability of senses is advised. Literary criticism for science majors isn't recommended.
THIS IS PROOF THAT ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SACRAMENTS!!!
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While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28
Wow ok some flaws in your check list: God didnt give us a sinful nature. He gave us free will. Raising the dead and other such miracles still exsist today. Next you need to think on what a world we be like without one word that you insist shouldnt be simply because you have no physical proof and the word is FAITH>
I know that responding to this retorical video is something that I dont normally do, but I had to because, I have heard this message several times today... However I can see that you are determined to be a good preacher of your Religion. I can see that you do indeed study your doctrine...Due to the fact that like I said it is becoming retoric....I also see that you have Great faith in your religion...Just an observation.
We do not get eternal hell fire to exist in it. We are destroyed by it per Matthew 10:28. Hell was made for the devil and his angels as they have eaten from the 'tree of life.' God didn't allow us to eat of the 'tree of life' and thus the choice is Romans 6:23.
The atheist is right about one thing according to Psalms 49:20 and that is man like an animal has an end if separated from the way, the truth, and the life.
@ReligionOfSacrifice - if God did not want man to eat from Pandora's Box..I mean the Tree of Knowledge, why did he set it there in the first place ? How could Adam and Eve have sinned if they did not have the knowledge to know what Sin was ?
@SpearofDestiny0, How do you know that you did not eat of "the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil?" As far as I can tell you are assured of self-knowledge or self-awareness. This is required to sin according to negative sin in James 4:17 and according to positive sin in Matthew 12:34. Self-knowledge is required to reach Psalms 51:17 too. The only thing you are guaranteed is self-knowledge.
You obviously don't get eternal life apart from God as you did not eat of the "Tree of Life." Peace.
@ReligionOfSacrifice - I'm talking about your creation myth. The Tree Of Knowledge possessed the knowledge of good and evil. Before eating the fruit, Adam and Eve were ignorant of this knowledge. By eating the fruit, and disobeying God, they introduced sin into the world. However, sin did not exist before this, so how did they technically "sin" if they did not know what sin was in the first place ?
We all know it is wrong to do certain things. Adam stood by and allowed Eve to do what is wrong and then partook it in himself. That is sin. Adam sinned first in the manner of James 4:17 and then immediately with a positive sin too. Upon doing this Adam has the knowledge of good and evil. To sin requires a level of understanding. Adam had the level of knowledge prior to the sin. It is all there in the story if you read it again. Eve also knows the thing one must not do. She does it anyway.
@ReligionOfSacrifice How could they know what they were doing was wrong when they were specifically made not to have the knowledge of right and wrong, and were only given that knowledge after eating from the fruit?
Also, since God is omniscient and omnipotent, and he KNEW beforehand that this was going to happen if he made it this way, why did he make it so it would happen? Why would God punish his creations for something he made them do on purpose, and could have easily prevented?
@Danaroth, they knew what they should and shouldn't do. They knew it was wrong.
Do you know wrong if someone tells you don't do a certain thing or do you know it once you've done the thing in a much more intimate way? Like a virgin telling you about sex knowledge is both verbally explaining and really knowing.
@ReligionOfSacrifice Way to pick and choose what to answer, and skip the most important part. Also, does a dog understand and has it gained knowledge if you verbally explain the situation to it?
@Danaroth, your complaint was that you think God stacked the deck towards sin. Meanwhile you still choose it yourself. What you do sinning you choose. What you know you do. When you do the sin then you have the knowledge of good and evil. Hence, the tree was named afterwards. The rule was given before. What of that can't you understand? Have I verbally not explained myself or opinion and the situation or are you too dense?
@ReligionOfSacrifice sin did not exist before eve ate from the tree. that why its called the ORIGINAL sin. Adam could not have known it was WRONG, he only knew he shoudnt do it. He was punished for doing something that he only knew was wrong after he did it.
There was a serpent in garden tempting. Did you know that? Lucifer was sinning against God. Adam was there watching Eve bite into a fruit of knowledge of good & evil. He sinned according to James 4:17 before he bit into the fruit. Eve sinned as well when she reached out for fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil. Matthew 12:33-37. When the temptation was lost to sin I'm afraid man was separated from God & thus all humans are conditioned to sin because they are conditioned by sinners.
@ReligionOfSacrifice okay so God created Adam and Eve to be inherently sinners, thus rendering free will non existent! Adam and eve did not know that what they were doing was sinnful, but because they were pre programmed to sin, they did. How is that a choice? how can you blame Eve for eating out of a tree when she was meant to do it since the day she was created?
@Max10192, Who told you that you have free will? Have you read Romans? Chapter 9 specifically? Are you telling me, "how can you know that to do something is wrong before you do it" is your premise? God declares they should not do it; hence, I think they had an inkling. Did you never read Eve's words prior to the biting down on the fruit? Time for you to go back to the drawing board.
If Adam and Eve did it in ignorance can you with a straight face call it sin?
you know how this discussion would end a lot nicer? with a simple question: "what's the evidence god exists?"
that way, we don't even need to punish ourselves interpreting the bible. let's go interpret einstein's equations better. those things actually matter :)
@De4sher, There is all kinds of evidence for God. In the genealogy of Adam to Noah given to men is evidence (Genesis 5). Eve said her son was Cain "a man from the Lord" Genesis 4:1 & Enosh also called out for God with Cainan "the promised one" per Genesis 4:26.
"Adam (Man) Seth (appointed) Enosh (mortal injury), Cainan (the promised one). Mahalalel (Praise God), Jared (he shall descend) Enoch (teaching) Methuselah (his death shall bring) Lamech (the despairing) Noah (comfort)."
if i wanted to prove to you th superman exits, by reading you from superman comics, would that be convincing for you?
the same way, i, being a honest person, can not accept the bible as proof for god. I mean proof like "look there, see that? that's obvious evidence!"
If i accepted the bible as proof for god, i would also have to accept all the other holy books as evidence for all the other gods, and that gets us nowhere.
@De4sher, How do you figure that Genesis 5, with a genealogy that clearly would be repeated after the flood to all of mankind (think "Roots" a book turned into a movie if you disbelieve in genealogies being passed down), written at least 800 yrs before Jesus (his name meaning 'salvation is of the Lord') because Deuteronomy is on Jewish jewelry dated to 800 B.C. would be the clearest prediction of Jesus ever in the whole Bible?
Read my post on meanings of names in Genesis 5 again.
I don't care about the genealogy described in the bible, because it contradicts stuff that we know (like genetics) AND we have no evidence for it.
You'd better take the superman analogy seriously, because it is what you are doing. If i had the genealogy of Superman written in comic books, that proved the earth is 9000 years old would you believe it? well there goes your bible!
Need i repeat myself again? That book contradicts genetics, therefore it's false. To make it true, you need a heck load of evidence, which you don't have.
I don't even have to go into discussion of the first sentence in the bible, until you present some good reasons why that book written 2k+ years ago should have anything worth listening to.
The bible is a useless document period. Got anything else?
@De4sher, read my words and debate them as you are concluding contradiction when I have pointed out no contradiction and yet you avoid the debate yet again as you probably can't debate the truth.
@De4sher, your point on genetics is silly and avoiding reality. I just said that your own DNA along with all of present existing mankind proves we came from one man and one woman although the man was younger than the one woman by 40,000 years (they didn't exist in the same time) likely because after the flood all men were squared down to men from Noah while the women who married Noah's sons were singled down to one woman long before the flood.
oh man, this science thing... yeah. this science that says there was no flood, that the animal genetics would be different if there was one, this science that says there shouldn't be any type of marine life if there was a flood. The science that tells us all those animlas could not have possibly lived on a boat for all that time.
Te science that tells us the world isn't 6k years old.
Is that the science that tells you all of this still did happen somehow? grow a brain!
@De4sher, You're avoiding ReligionOfSacrifice's words on Genesis 5 by bringing up Superman who is a comic strip character.
Question is whether or not Old Testament being centuries before Jesus actually describes God in Genesis 5's genealogy? "Adam (Man) Seth (appointed) Enosh (mortal injury), Cainan (a promised one). Mahalalel (Praise God), Jared (he shall descend) Enoch (teaching) Methuselah (his death shall bring) Lamech (despairing) Noah (comfort)."
well then, when you get all those guys to come and tell us who their fathers, mothers and ancestors are, and also make a DNA test on all of them to see if they're not lying, then call me.
I'm sorry, modern genetisc simply doesn't agree with all the variation in the human species being the result of 2 people producing kids.The bible is simply wrong, and if you want to prove it's right, please go ahead and become a genetic biologist.
@De4sher, speaking of Einstein: It was Einstein (an unbelieving Jew) who proved the world had a beginning which made him sweat to recognize that Genesis was proven by him in the sense the universe was created & not eternal.
Einstein gave us E=mc^2 which shows that energy & matter can convert back & forth showing that Genesis 1:2 is actually not insane as 'terra firma' really could be called "without form & void" in beginning. Water takes up space of any container's form.
when you wanna talk about einstein like that, make sure you're not talking to a physicist. Your problem is that i know what einstein did (being a physicist myself).
The answer to the question "is the universe eternal?" has not been answered.
What we know is that the universe was smaller. We have no idea what went on with that singularity, how much time did it stay like that, or anything else about it.
Okay, Einstein, tell me a mechanism causing a universe to change between expanding & contracting? What do you know on this topic?
Do you get my words? Of course not. Someone prior to 800 B.C. wrote in a genealogy that says "Man appointed fatal injury, the promised one. Praise God, he shall descend teaching his death shall bring the despairing comfort."
We came from 1 man & 1 woman according to DNA study, but woman is older likely because Noah's son's wives didn't come from Noah's wife.
Firstly, i don't need to "know" a mechanism for expansion and contraction, in order to tell you "i've got no idea what's up with the universe". I just need to say it. You should learn that phrase too. It's easier than talking BS.
Secondly according to "dna study" you've got no idea what planet you're living on.
a few thousand years can't produce all the hair colors we see, not speaking of skin colors, eye colors and every other genetic detail.
@De4sher, It is figured that there are holes in the genealogies listed in the Bible and the Earth could be any age you want along with man's existence could be any age you want and that would not disprove the Bible. I note that each time I actually refute what you write. You avoid my words because you have no defense for the truth other than to avoid it. Sorry, but it looks bad for you in a debate to me. But people will believe what they wish as opposed to the truth.
@De4sher, again you made no points against me because you are incapable buffoon. I already told you that the Bible doesn't give the age of the Earth or of man's existence on the Earth, but you again are incapable of thinking or conversing on the topic.
My poor iq is uncapable of grasping the intricacies of your wisdom sir, pls forgive me.
On the other hand, what you are proposing are untested and improbable hypotheses, and i have NO interest in talking about those "on topic", because anyone could propose any number of such things.
When you have a justification for why i should take the bible seriously at all, then i'll talk on topic.
And your insults only show you are like the other 999999 "bright" christians i've met.
More specifically: mitochondrial Eve and y-chromosome Adam (if those were the only pieces of information we had) do not show we are all the descendants of 2 people. Why? because even if you could trace both the maternal and paternal lines back to 1 individual, who's to say when did all the other lines disappear?
Besides, there's more genetic information than y-DNA and mtDNA.
Read the damn wiki before being a total... "christian"
@De4sher, thanks for pointing out DNA evidence does indeed suggest that man was once eliminated down to one while women were not at that time & only later (this fits the flood story). I'm glad you can not avoid agreeing with science. You follow it with a request that I be open minded to other ideas. Exciting, but not interesting to me.
Can you offer an idea?
Here is mine. A man eliminated whole races of men while keeping the women. His followers then castrated themselves for his gain.
Well, God did classically condition animal sacrifice with the statement, "The seed of the woman will bruise the serpent" and therefore Abraham would assume that a son included in the religion would not be insane. Eve even said, "I have gotten a man from the Lord" showing her later push for her sons to sacrifice animals was first directed at an actual son.
We are not condemned for Adam's sin. We are conditioned by a sinful world to be sinners and thus we do wrong knowingly (sin) sooner or later.
@sandworm3 well the scriptures doses say pretty much everything he just said. You can interpret or rationalize it any kind of way you want but I totally agree with him. The whole concept of the Christian gods plan is pretty ridiculous when you read the bible.
The creator wants all the created to thrive, but if we live entirely selfishl, we become as a cancer on the side of the earth. After a fashion there is nothing in us worth saving. We're cut off and burned up like a dead branch, although the branch has been dead for a while, so the burning is not an act of destruction. We destroy ourselves through selfishness.
Gay insults, really? Those don't really work, you know, unless you're a gay repressed faith-head who feels guilty every time some man-ass gives him an erection so he acts out on comment boards. You wouldn't know anybody like that would you?
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Who do you think you are? You are not in a position to judge God. Stop decieving yourself into thinking that somehow your opinion about God matters. All that will matter in the end is what God's opinion is of you.
Who do you think you are? You are not in a position to tell people what to do. Stop decieving yourself into thinking that somehow your opinion about God matters. All that will matter in the end is how you treat others and how others treat you.
Wth? 2 nearly identical posts back to back from different users. Are you spamming comments with different accounts or did you both copy/paste your replies from some website or did you just copy your reply from the poster before you?
Read it again, Im am mocking the poster, I took his words and kinda spun em back at him is all. But for some reason the replies do not go they normally do on youtube. Replies look like new posts.
who do you think you are to say that he's nobody to question god? and why? Cause you say so? Same logic: stop deceiving yourself into thinking god exists.... See how debating in this manner is useless? Unless you can contribute and be constructive, stop spamming. I'm under serious impression that those really brainwashed don't really hear a thing 'we' say - they just feel shocked and disgusted. Unproductive.
lol I'm somehow all at once offended and amused. Good list though. I agree with the overall idea of evidence backing Christianity's values and teachings up coming from the Bible. It astounds (and scares) me how seriously people take every word in that book.
If Gods plan is ineffable, and if because of your humanity you are in "no position to say anything about it", by what leap of authority are you to subscribe to the morality of it? Sounds like agnosticism to me! Essentially this reduces the God Problem to an argument from ignorance.
"You don't know better so you'd better nod your head and say uh-huh."
But since theism is inherently irrational I don't expect this fact to change many minds.
I don't think this lady should be living in fear if she is following the Bible. Being "good" doesn't mean anything. The Christian belief is that we will all be judged, therefore we have no right to judge others and call it true judgment. That is why I thought John Milton's epic was silly. He tried to tear down the belief in God at its source and yet he didn't even realize the forces he was dealing with. He questioned God because his heart told him he had no God to question.
Its rare 2 see some1 with the ability 2 use logic & reason, 2 confront the insanity that is god's plan.
Im truly glad to see U take on "God's plan" & illustrate just how absurd such a "plan" is!
I'd like 2 ask your view on something I've debated about for a few years now.
I say that if god is omniscient then free will cannot exist in man. Once god thinks about us in the future & sees who is in hell, then no matter what choices we make, it can only come out 1 way. We R locked into fate!
ever heard of okams razor? works kinda like this: every thing that wasent prooven is not true. if ill say there is a tea pot in space that moves in sercular motion around earth, will you believe me? no, you will say the would have found it by now. but what if ill say that its too small to see and made out of weird matter that cant be senced by any way, will it be any truer? and what if il say i know it because a 5000 years old book told me, will you believ me? i think not. you have no reason too
Its interesting that U took my "flaw in your logic" comment, something I hear all the time from Fundies, & took it 2 the lengths U have.
Maybe U R just saving me some typing?
Y do I care???? I care bcuz a very special lady is living in fear! She's so afraid god is going 2 strike her down 4 her inability 2 B perfect. I love her & it hurts me 2 ,C her delusion driving her mad.
I hope that answers your query.
P.S.
Its not dying & existing after, but waking in a nightmare of your god's.
Sorry man. I didn't realize someone special was involved. I made a false judgment. It never ceases to amaze me of how our judgments of other people can just as easily make ourselves feel judged falsely. I would come to the quick decision that I could judge the world because they were all wrong. But at the same moment I realized that the world thinks the same of me. And it hurts. That is what Jesus said and that's why it stung so bad. I wasn't even following the source for my beliefs.
Cootabux, I truly am sorry I attacked you. Don't take any of what I'm saying as some bullcrap that I'm making up in order to trick you in some way. Just take this as an apology from another real person who is sorry that he was blindly being a jackass. If you don't forgive me, I will understand. None of us really do deserve forgiveness. Yet we all sometimes feel like we do. I'm done attacking atheists altogether. I have no right to say that they deserve something that I myself do deserve as well.
We are in need of a place for bad people,(hell) when then end of satans arguement will come is in the book, GOD didn't make robots to love him, he made us with free will unlike angels. That is why you are free to turn away unlike any other being. Satan installed our sinful nature not GOD. Atheists are usually people who didn't read the bible or quran. The bible tells when God will appear, and there were scientists since enoch's day or before. You get no rewads for misleading others.
Many atheists read the bible just for the reference (like me), unlike most theists who just rely on their pastor and never read their holy books. It has been said that the quickest way to atheism is actually reading the bible, especially the old testament. This is attributed to the fact that once the human being is exposed to all the moronic fallacies and inconsistencies of theistic dogma, he/she will certainly want to find an alternative view point.
Its sad 2 C so many ppl who read but dont comprehend.
God created satan. Satan does nothing without god's approval & blessing. God created good & evil. He created us just the way we R, with our natural desires. We R then told our nature is evil.
Dont blame Eve 4 the fall. God planned that 2. The guilt trip is laid on us. Eve couldn't have resisted if she tried with all her might. 1 way or the other, god was going 2 make her fail....& she didnt even have knowledge of good or evil.
*sigh* I know God is such a jerk. Poor Eve. She broke the rules not even knowing what the rules were! How bout cutting the girl and the rest of humanity some slack!
"There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason... Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."
"Faith is the acceptance of the truth of a statement in spite of insufficient or contradictory evidence. Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its merits."
"Faith offers no way to determine the real truth about anything, but is a great way to stay wrong forever and, never admit it to yourself. Science is completely opposite in every respect. Rather than any need to believe, science is driven by a desire to understand. And, the only way to improve your understanding of anything is to seek out errors in your current position, and correct them. Science is a self-correcting process which changes constantly because its always improving."
and this is one of the more rational parts of religion.. i love the bits about lobsters being an abomination (even though god pressumably made them) - Leviticus.
God damn this was awesome. Thumbs up.
linkuei83 6 months ago
4:20-ish: "...creating another non-physical place for them to stay other then with you or hell" *BIG GRIN & WINK* "Check!"
I love it!
Cindercheth 10 months ago
@Cindercheth - this video is flawed and shows common mistakes. Mosaic law doesn't apply anymore to christianity.....Christianity is based on christ's teachings.
zztestenglish 10 months ago
@zztestenglish Hey there. And I thought he covered that in the checklist, about how jesus died to prevent such... "laws".
Cindercheth 10 months ago
@Cindercheth - I'm not going to get into a deep discussion about this because it's late. I'm just saying don't pretend to critique something you don't fully understand.
zztestenglish 10 months ago
@zztestenglish Who DOES fully understand the bible? Even within specific faiths, they have disagreements, and form DIFFERENT sects of the same faith...
Cindercheth 10 months ago
@Cindercheth - "died to prevent such "laws"' First, he didn't die to prevent laws. he died for our sins. Second, you say "who DOES fully understand the bible?" I agree..there is alot of ignorance out there and you are making one of them. yes, alot of sects are out there and they spread misinformation to people like you. Anyways, I'm dropping this because it is fruitless. I'm going back to the other forum where we normally talk
zztestenglish 10 months ago
@zztestenglish Yes, yes it is. Because I believe it is pretty stupid to claim you know this is all factual information. No offense.
Cindercheth 10 months ago
@Cindercheth I don't pretend to know everything but I have studied this type of stuff. The novice mistakes I see are spreading more b.s. which bugs me....people critique things they don't fully understand which I think is hubris
let's drop this and move onto the other forum like I said before
zztestenglish 10 months ago
@Cindercheth I don't pretend to know everything but the novice mistakes bug me. It spreads more misinformation and people critique things they don't fully understand
Let's drop this and go back to the other forum
zztestenglish 10 months ago
@zztestenglish Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them"
CreatureofMasquerade 2 months ago
God is the best friend anyone could have. He is the first to show up to help you cope with the problems that he created. He gives you illness in return you get legions of idiots to tell you he has a plan.
loci1400 1 year ago
It seems that certain themes dominate this "God's checklist" construct. I would not say you are offering here literary criticism of ancient texts. I detect a decided preference for what is knowable in scientific ways. You bring this perspective to your criticism. At first glance, your arguments are PRESENTIST, imposing on ancient texts realities and concerns of the modern era. Any postmodern doubt regarding the sustainability of your narrative or are you arrogantly intractable?
jhall38 1 year ago
19.Do not bother to employ your omniscience in such a way as to discern which of these cognitive beings are truly rebelling and which simply don't know how to distinguish you from other gods which do not in fact exist but are the same claims of exclusivity.
20.Demand that you be praised for this plan.
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38 Just how would you employ "your" omniscience, or how would you have it employed by your god construct? I smell a rat. You can't have a god's eye perspective and be pissed about it. That's entirely too much fun and simply not allowed. I think the classical position you would be pretending would be that of SATAN, would you not? He gets to be lord of the flies and at the same time gets to bathe in the luxury of being pissed. Is your inability to distinguish among claims problematic?
jhall38 1 year ago
18.Do not make it clear that you exist. Do not make it obvious. Allow billions and billions of souls to be unthinkably tortured for all of eternity regardless of their character, integrity, bravery, responsibility or conduct because they had not correctly guess that the right set of propositions were true by the time their life on earth was over.
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38 I think you are demanding that particular criteria be used to determine (guess) what is real and true. I believe your criteria are scientific. That is, you are demanding the universe and its creator fit your rational conceptions of it. The creator must submit himself to investigation as it were and his judgments must be understandable in rational ways. There are other ways of knowing. Read "Women's Ways of Knowing". There is intuition, spirit, interpersonal knowing, emotion, etc.
jhall38 1 year ago
17.Employ various cognitive beings of different writing styles, languages and time periods to scribble all of this down, in so many words, and leave other cognitive beings with the job of translating, copying, compiling and choosing which of these writings to include or exclude from the final product. Make sure to include in these texts the precept that believing in something without evidence is morally superior to investigation and verification.
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38 This almost deserves no response since it is so patently ridiculous. You have blithely summarized, with batting eyelids as you admire yourself, you twit, whole FIELDS of investigation. Oral transmission of ancient texts and their written transmission is more than you caricature. Take a real ancient literature course, science twit. There are other ways of knowing in the postmodern era. Your 'science is king" construct, the arbiter of all that can be known, is on shaky ground.
jhall38 1 year ago
16.Establish that from this point on the only way for your cognitive beings to reap the benefit of this sacrifice is for them to actually believe that it happened. Uh, again, make sure that this sacrifice occurs before advancements in science and communication are around to verify it for those who weren't present.
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38 Your repeated reference to cognition points to your foundation. You think that everyone's views must be like yours, that all people must rationally interact with all things in terms that you dictate. Rationality is the little subset of human interactions with things as they are and as they might be. There are ways of knowing and being and relating that are FAR superior to rationalist assertions regarding reality and our relationships with it. "Believing" is more than rationalizing.
jhall38 1 year ago
15.Allow this cognitive being who is your son but also you to grow up and make several revisions to you/your son's original standards of morality and then arrange for other cognitive beings to torture and kill you/your son. Authorize this sacrifice of yourself to yourself as a means of granting all other cognitive beings immunity from the consequences of their sinful nature which you originally allowed them to be born with in the first place.
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38 Ever consider the idea that people change? Revisions in ways of seeing things are necessary and an important aspect of what it means to be human. That the Bible reflects this makes it a gloriously human document with much to tell us about the evolution of ideas among the ancients. This is not to cast aspersion on God but rather to honestly tell of his developing creation. In some ways, things have denigrated. In others, things have improved. We do change, not all for the good.
jhall38 1 year ago
14.After several thousand years, impregnate one of these cognitive beings so that she gives birth to your son in physical form who also happens to be you at the same time.
jhall38 1 year ago
13b. But before these cognitive beings become advanced enough in the areas of science and communication that they could actually document, share, playback and verify these epic miracles, make sure that you stop performing them altogether.
jhall38 1 year ago
13.Perform many epic miracles for all to see and intervene often with your physical creation. Stop the sun in the sky, part the Red Sea, turn rivers into blood and women into pillars of salt. Give men superhuman strength, speak to the thousands with a booming voice from heaven, etc., etc.
jhall38 1 year ago
12.Declare that until further notice at least the only way for these cognitive beings to rectify their sinful natures while on earth is to perform ritual animal sacrifices and other acts of senseless violence. Also, when certain sins are committed by any of your cognitive beings, demand that the surrounding community kill that being themselves.
jhall38 1 year ago
11b. Disclaimer: Do not make any attempt to spare these souls the eternal torture of hell such as allowing souls to stop existing altogether or creating an additional non-physical place for them to stay besides 'with you or hell'.
jhall38 1 year ago
11.Arrange so these cognitive beings have a “soul” which keeps their thoughts & feelings within existence forever, one way or another, then allow the sinfulness of these beings to be incompatible with your presence, and let hell be the only place their souls can go once they exit the physical world.
jhall38 1 year ago
10.Once these cognitive beings start to reproduce and multiply, do not by any means allow each of them to be born with a clean slate and the option of staying sin free judged on their own merit, but rather, instead, install in these cognitive beings a sinful nature from birth.
jhall38 1 year ago
8.Allow Lucifer to take a physical form and to make a convincing case to one of them for eating from that tree. Do not prevent this or intervene.
9.Once your cognitive beings eat from the tree and finally understand what sin is, ah, right on schedule by the way, punish them for having committed it. You know, make life finite, food unplentiful, childbirth incredibly [sic] painful, etc., etc.
jhall38 1 year ago
7.Make sure that these cognitive beings are capable of reproducing & multiplying & then arrange it so that as soon as one of your cognitive beings does commit a sin, everyone of their descendants until the end of time will be born guilty for that sin and will be inherently deserving of punishment.
jhall38 1 year ago
6Then create 2 sentient, cognitive beings who have no knowledge of these standards and instruct them not to eat of the tree which would enlighten them. [Ii.e.], arrange it so that only after they eat of the tree are they capable of understanding that eating from the tree was in fact a sin.
jhall38 1 year ago
4.Create objective standards of right and wrong and label any action that is contrary to your standards of right “sin”.
5.Create the earth and a physical universe in which it can exist all with the appearance of age and then create a tree with fruit that provides knowledge of your objective moral standards.
jhall38 1 year ago
1.Decide you want something other than yourself to exist.
2.Create a being with the name of Lucifer with full knowledge that this being will betray you and cause the suffering of billions of souls unnecessarily.
3.Allow a horrible place like hell to be created, by yourself or by Lucifer perhaps and allow that place to continue existing. Don't override or halt creation of such a horrible place. It will come into play later.
jhall38 1 year ago
What follows in numerous posts is the transcription of “God's Checklist”. There are obvious flaws in these points. First, there is a Euro-Western philosphic bent – e.g., the constant references to cognition. Feminist/postmodern critique of this "'science is king' grand narrative" is called for. This construct can not win simply by merit of its wordiness and rapid pace. Platonic doubt regarding the reliability of senses is advised. Literary criticism for science majors isn't recommended.
jhall38 1 year ago
So many things are wrong with this checklist it's hard to know where to begin.
bestvalue 1 year ago
No "Hell" is mentioned in the Old Testament. It is only when Jesus (meek & mild) appears on the scene that the cognitive beings are told of "Hell".
AGNOSSI 1 year ago
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While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28
JezusSlave 1 year ago
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777TIZZable 1 year ago
"That the way God has decided to design all of this is absolutely perfect, and immune to criticism."
Immune to criticism? Hillarious.
Mossasan 1 year ago
GOD is a concept in which we measure our pain
TheJUNGLESURFER 1 year ago
Wow ok some flaws in your check list: God didnt give us a sinful nature. He gave us free will. Raising the dead and other such miracles still exsist today. Next you need to think on what a world we be like without one word that you insist shouldnt be simply because you have no physical proof and the word is FAITH>
Imajenify 1 year ago
THIS GUY IS A CONPLETE RETARDED ASS HOLE I'LL PRAY 4 HIM
hacker109 1 year ago
@hacker109 thats not a very 'loving' thing to say, is it?
Dragon0007 1 year ago
I know that responding to this retorical video is something that I dont normally do, but I had to because, I have heard this message several times today... However I can see that you are determined to be a good preacher of your Religion. I can see that you do indeed study your doctrine...Due to the fact that like I said it is becoming retoric....I also see that you have Great faith in your religion...Just an observation.
slively765 1 year ago
If only he had existed so many years back so that he could stop silly people from adopting this religion LOL
redwraith122 1 year ago
We do not get eternal hell fire to exist in it. We are destroyed by it per Matthew 10:28. Hell was made for the devil and his angels as they have eaten from the 'tree of life.' God didn't allow us to eat of the 'tree of life' and thus the choice is Romans 6:23.
The atheist is right about one thing according to Psalms 49:20 and that is man like an animal has an end if separated from the way, the truth, and the life.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice - if God did not want man to eat from Pandora's Box..I mean the Tree of Knowledge, why did he set it there in the first place ? How could Adam and Eve have sinned if they did not have the knowledge to know what Sin was ?
SpearofDestiny0 1 year ago
@SpearofDestiny0, How do you know that you did not eat of "the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil?" As far as I can tell you are assured of self-knowledge or self-awareness. This is required to sin according to negative sin in James 4:17 and according to positive sin in Matthew 12:34. Self-knowledge is required to reach Psalms 51:17 too. The only thing you are guaranteed is self-knowledge.
You obviously don't get eternal life apart from God as you did not eat of the "Tree of Life." Peace.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice - I'm talking about your creation myth. The Tree Of Knowledge possessed the knowledge of good and evil. Before eating the fruit, Adam and Eve were ignorant of this knowledge. By eating the fruit, and disobeying God, they introduced sin into the world. However, sin did not exist before this, so how did they technically "sin" if they did not know what sin was in the first place ?
SpearofDestiny0 1 year ago
We all know it is wrong to do certain things. Adam stood by and allowed Eve to do what is wrong and then partook it in himself. That is sin. Adam sinned first in the manner of James 4:17 and then immediately with a positive sin too. Upon doing this Adam has the knowledge of good and evil. To sin requires a level of understanding. Adam had the level of knowledge prior to the sin. It is all there in the story if you read it again. Eve also knows the thing one must not do. She does it anyway.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice How could they know what they were doing was wrong when they were specifically made not to have the knowledge of right and wrong, and were only given that knowledge after eating from the fruit?
Also, since God is omniscient and omnipotent, and he KNEW beforehand that this was going to happen if he made it this way, why did he make it so it would happen? Why would God punish his creations for something he made them do on purpose, and could have easily prevented?
Danaroth 1 year ago
@Danaroth, they knew what they should and shouldn't do. They knew it was wrong.
Do you know wrong if someone tells you don't do a certain thing or do you know it once you've done the thing in a much more intimate way? Like a virgin telling you about sex knowledge is both verbally explaining and really knowing.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice Way to pick and choose what to answer, and skip the most important part. Also, does a dog understand and has it gained knowledge if you verbally explain the situation to it?
Danaroth 1 year ago
@Danaroth, your complaint was that you think God stacked the deck towards sin. Meanwhile you still choose it yourself. What you do sinning you choose. What you know you do. When you do the sin then you have the knowledge of good and evil. Hence, the tree was named afterwards. The rule was given before. What of that can't you understand? Have I verbally not explained myself or opinion and the situation or are you too dense?
ABAisSCIENCE 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice sin did not exist before eve ate from the tree. that why its called the ORIGINAL sin. Adam could not have known it was WRONG, he only knew he shoudnt do it. He was punished for doing something that he only knew was wrong after he did it.
Max10192 1 year ago
There was a serpent in garden tempting. Did you know that? Lucifer was sinning against God. Adam was there watching Eve bite into a fruit of knowledge of good & evil. He sinned according to James 4:17 before he bit into the fruit. Eve sinned as well when she reached out for fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil. Matthew 12:33-37. When the temptation was lost to sin I'm afraid man was separated from God & thus all humans are conditioned to sin because they are conditioned by sinners.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice okay so God created Adam and Eve to be inherently sinners, thus rendering free will non existent! Adam and eve did not know that what they were doing was sinnful, but because they were pre programmed to sin, they did. How is that a choice? how can you blame Eve for eating out of a tree when she was meant to do it since the day she was created?
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@Max10192, Who told you that you have free will? Have you read Romans? Chapter 9 specifically? Are you telling me, "how can you know that to do something is wrong before you do it" is your premise? God declares they should not do it; hence, I think they had an inkling. Did you never read Eve's words prior to the biting down on the fruit? Time for you to go back to the drawing board.
If Adam and Eve did it in ignorance can you with a straight face call it sin?
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
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@Max10192,
Who told you that you have free will?
Have you read Romans?
Chapter 9 specifically?
Are you telling me, how can you know that to do something is wrong before you do it, is your premise?
God declares they should not do it, hence, I think they had an idea it was wrong.
Did you never read Eve's words prior to the biting down on the fruit?
Time for you to go back to the drawing board.
If Adam and Eve did it in ignorance can you with a straight face call it sin?
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
Who told you that you have free will
Have you read Romans
Chapter 9 specifically
Are you telling me, how can you know that to do something is wrong before you do it, is your premise
God declares they should not do it, hence, I think they had an idea it was wrong.
Did you never read Eve's words prior to the biting down on the fruit
Time for you to go back to the drawing board
If Adam and Eve did it in ignorance can you with a straight face call it sin
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
Who told you that you have free will
Have you read Romans
Chapter 9 specifically
Are you telling me
how can you know that to do something is wrong before you do it
is your premise
God declares they should not do it so I think they had an idea it was wrong
Did you never read Eve's words prior to the biting down on the fruit
Time for you to go back to the drawing board
If Adam and Eve did it in ignorance can you with a straight face call it sin
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice
you know how this discussion would end a lot nicer? with a simple question: "what's the evidence god exists?"
that way, we don't even need to punish ourselves interpreting the bible. let's go interpret einstein's equations better. those things actually matter :)
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, There is all kinds of evidence for God. In the genealogy of Adam to Noah given to men is evidence (Genesis 5). Eve said her son was Cain "a man from the Lord" Genesis 4:1 & Enosh also called out for God with Cainan "the promised one" per Genesis 4:26.
"Adam (Man) Seth (appointed) Enosh (mortal injury), Cainan (the promised one). Mahalalel (Praise God), Jared (he shall descend) Enoch (teaching) Methuselah (his death shall bring) Lamech (the despairing) Noah (comfort)."
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice
if i wanted to prove to you th superman exits, by reading you from superman comics, would that be convincing for you?
the same way, i, being a honest person, can not accept the bible as proof for god. I mean proof like "look there, see that? that's obvious evidence!"
If i accepted the bible as proof for god, i would also have to accept all the other holy books as evidence for all the other gods, and that gets us nowhere.
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, How do you figure that Genesis 5, with a genealogy that clearly would be repeated after the flood to all of mankind (think "Roots" a book turned into a movie if you disbelieve in genealogies being passed down), written at least 800 yrs before Jesus (his name meaning 'salvation is of the Lord') because Deuteronomy is on Jewish jewelry dated to 800 B.C. would be the clearest prediction of Jesus ever in the whole Bible?
Read my post on meanings of names in Genesis 5 again.
Superman ; )
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice
I don't care about the genealogy described in the bible, because it contradicts stuff that we know (like genetics) AND we have no evidence for it.
You'd better take the superman analogy seriously, because it is what you are doing. If i had the genealogy of Superman written in comic books, that proved the earth is 9000 years old would you believe it? well there goes your bible!
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, You're like a toddler trying to deny the Roman Empire. Their historians talk of Jesus on a cross.
Care to guess who God is if God is the one descending in the genealogy from Adam to Noah?
"Adam (Man) Seth (appointed) Enosh (fatal injury), Cainan (the promised one). Mahalalel (Praise God), Jared (he shall descend) Enoch (teaching) Methuselah (his death shall bring) Lamech (the despairing) Noah (comfort)."
Who else? Don't mention gods who are changed over time after Isaiah is written.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice
Need i repeat myself again? That book contradicts genetics, therefore it's false. To make it true, you need a heck load of evidence, which you don't have.
I don't even have to go into discussion of the first sentence in the bible, until you present some good reasons why that book written 2k+ years ago should have anything worth listening to.
The bible is a useless document period. Got anything else?
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, read my words and debate them as you are concluding contradiction when I have pointed out no contradiction and yet you avoid the debate yet again as you probably can't debate the truth.
ABAisSCIENCE 1 year ago
@De4sher, your point on genetics is silly and avoiding reality. I just said that your own DNA along with all of present existing mankind proves we came from one man and one woman although the man was younger than the one woman by 40,000 years (they didn't exist in the same time) likely because after the flood all men were squared down to men from Noah while the women who married Noah's sons were singled down to one woman long before the flood.
Science kicking your ass there, De4sher.
Later.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice
oh man, this science thing... yeah. this science that says there was no flood, that the animal genetics would be different if there was one, this science that says there shouldn't be any type of marine life if there was a flood. The science that tells us all those animlas could not have possibly lived on a boat for all that time.
Te science that tells us the world isn't 6k years old.
Is that the science that tells you all of this still did happen somehow? grow a brain!
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, You're avoiding ReligionOfSacrifice's words on Genesis 5 by bringing up Superman who is a comic strip character.
Question is whether or not Old Testament being centuries before Jesus actually describes God in Genesis 5's genealogy? "Adam (Man) Seth (appointed) Enosh (mortal injury), Cainan (a promised one). Mahalalel (Praise God), Jared (he shall descend) Enoch (teaching) Methuselah (his death shall bring) Lamech (despairing) Noah (comfort)."
If true other holy books are irrelevant.
ABAisSCIENCE 1 year ago
@ABAisSCIENCE
well then, when you get all those guys to come and tell us who their fathers, mothers and ancestors are, and also make a DNA test on all of them to see if they're not lying, then call me.
I'm sorry, modern genetisc simply doesn't agree with all the variation in the human species being the result of 2 people producing kids.The bible is simply wrong, and if you want to prove it's right, please go ahead and become a genetic biologist.
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, speaking of Einstein: It was Einstein (an unbelieving Jew) who proved the world had a beginning which made him sweat to recognize that Genesis was proven by him in the sense the universe was created & not eternal.
Einstein gave us E=mc^2 which shows that energy & matter can convert back & forth showing that Genesis 1:2 is actually not insane as 'terra firma' really could be called "without form & void" in beginning. Water takes up space of any container's form.
Don't avoid Genesis 5.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice
when you wanna talk about einstein like that, make sure you're not talking to a physicist. Your problem is that i know what einstein did (being a physicist myself).
The answer to the question "is the universe eternal?" has not been answered.
What we know is that the universe was smaller. We have no idea what went on with that singularity, how much time did it stay like that, or anything else about it.
De4sher 1 year ago
Okay, Einstein, tell me a mechanism causing a universe to change between expanding & contracting? What do you know on this topic?
Do you get my words? Of course not. Someone prior to 800 B.C. wrote in a genealogy that says "Man appointed fatal injury, the promised one. Praise God, he shall descend teaching his death shall bring the despairing comfort."
We came from 1 man & 1 woman according to DNA study, but woman is older likely because Noah's son's wives didn't come from Noah's wife.
ABAisSCIENCE 1 year ago
@ABAisSCIENCE
Firstly, i don't need to "know" a mechanism for expansion and contraction, in order to tell you "i've got no idea what's up with the universe". I just need to say it. You should learn that phrase too. It's easier than talking BS.
Secondly according to "dna study" you've got no idea what planet you're living on.
a few thousand years can't produce all the hair colors we see, not speaking of skin colors, eye colors and every other genetic detail.
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, It is figured that there are holes in the genealogies listed in the Bible and the Earth could be any age you want along with man's existence could be any age you want and that would not disprove the Bible. I note that each time I actually refute what you write. You avoid my words because you have no defense for the truth other than to avoid it. Sorry, but it looks bad for you in a debate to me. But people will believe what they wish as opposed to the truth.
ABAisSCIENCE 1 year ago
@ABAisSCIENCE
ima say this once: nobody needs to refute the bible, because nobody ever proved it was right to begin with.
I do not wish to debate you, since there are WAY smarter idiots than you that at least have interesting things to say, stupid as they are.
and speaking of the truth, why don't you go tell your truth to some hindus or jews, see how they feel about your truth.
and then, when you grow a brain, call me
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, again you made no points against me because you are incapable buffoon. I already told you that the Bible doesn't give the age of the Earth or of man's existence on the Earth, but you again are incapable of thinking or conversing on the topic.
Later.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice
My poor iq is uncapable of grasping the intricacies of your wisdom sir, pls forgive me.
On the other hand, what you are proposing are untested and improbable hypotheses, and i have NO interest in talking about those "on topic", because anyone could propose any number of such things.
When you have a justification for why i should take the bible seriously at all, then i'll talk on topic.
And your insults only show you are like the other 999999 "bright" christians i've met.
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, my insult to you was that you are incapable of debating. I see you agreeing and then complaining of my telling you the truth.
"Adam, Seth, Enosh, Cainan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah"
Means "Man appointed fatal injury, the promised one. Praise God, he shall descend teaching his death shall bring the despairing comfort."
Care to debate this? Any comment from your side. Again written at least before in 800 B.C. by dating of Jewish jewelry.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice
More specifically: mitochondrial Eve and y-chromosome Adam (if those were the only pieces of information we had) do not show we are all the descendants of 2 people. Why? because even if you could trace both the maternal and paternal lines back to 1 individual, who's to say when did all the other lines disappear?
Besides, there's more genetic information than y-DNA and mtDNA.
Read the damn wiki before being a total... "christian"
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher, thanks for pointing out DNA evidence does indeed suggest that man was once eliminated down to one while women were not at that time & only later (this fits the flood story). I'm glad you can not avoid agreeing with science. You follow it with a request that I be open minded to other ideas. Exciting, but not interesting to me.
Can you offer an idea?
Here is mine. A man eliminated whole races of men while keeping the women. His followers then castrated themselves for his gain.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
I love how this dude makes the absurdities of the Bible so clear....how any smart person couldn't understand this critique is beyond me....
SpearofDestiny0 1 year ago
Well, God did classically condition animal sacrifice with the statement, "The seed of the woman will bruise the serpent" and therefore Abraham would assume that a son included in the religion would not be insane. Eve even said, "I have gotten a man from the Lord" showing her later push for her sons to sacrifice animals was first directed at an actual son.
We are not condemned for Adam's sin. We are conditioned by a sinful world to be sinners and thus we do wrong knowingly (sin) sooner or later.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
@ReligionOfSacrifice - Adam and Ever are myths, as there is no evidence of their existence what so ever.
SpearofDestiny0 1 year ago
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staurse 2 years ago
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Breezybee97 2 years ago
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It wasn't a sin to eat from the tree, it was their free will to learn good and evil.
God knew they would rebel in the process of learning. He made a way thru Grace to excape their own chosen damnation for their free will choices.
He then condemned their sin to the flesh, it is appointed unto a man to die and then the judgement.
You are a very ignorant and rebelous person. The bible calls you a fool. Use your "free will" wisely to become at peace with God.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
i mean i no tht theyre going to rebel so ill just do it anyway.
damned indeed. oh well its not my fault.
YesImNotSerious 2 years ago
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This guy is really ignorant as to what the scriptures say. Not only blind but sarcastic and disrespectful.
sandworm3 2 years ago
Sorry I actidently rated your comment as good which I don't agree with. My bad.
JapedosToast 2 years ago
@sandworm3 well the scriptures doses say pretty much everything he just said. You can interpret or rationalize it any kind of way you want but I totally agree with him. The whole concept of the Christian gods plan is pretty ridiculous when you read the bible.
ultradevon04 2 years ago 2
LOVE IT!!!! I was raised a roman catholic and boy does the list ring so true... keep it going
usapegasus007 2 years ago 3
A 7 minutes (sacred number btw) masterpiece!!
elmisterc 2 years ago 9
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your fat
jtmsl 2 years ago
Dont you realise that you are speakig the truth, and religious delusionists dont like the truth...Silly boy : )
perydwyn 2 years ago
Extremely clever.
MATTY360ELITE 2 years ago
I absolutely love this. Completely hilarious. Nice job, man.
rockclimber06123 2 years ago
Very good and funny, and true ;-)
sklitzz 2 years ago
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God does not instigate arbitrary moral standards, only a law of love, the opposite is the law of selfishness.
Like the Beatles said: All you need is love.
Like St John said: God is love.
wardancer 2 years ago
Would you give up your salvation for me and take my place in hell?
Wouldn't it be selfish of you to say no?
tiggster13 1 year ago
Christian theology does not hold that God created a place called hell where bad people go.
Old testament afterlife was called Sheol or world of the dead where all people would end up.
Jesus talks about Gehenna which related to an actual flaming rubbish dump on the outskirts of Jerusalem.
A 'second death' is described in revelation after the resurrection of the dead, when all have been raised and God finally judges all.
These ideas have become confused in modern folk christianity.
wardancer 2 years ago
So what does happen to the damned?
tiggster13 1 year ago
The creator wants all the created to thrive, but if we live entirely selfishl, we become as a cancer on the side of the earth. After a fashion there is nothing in us worth saving. We're cut off and burned up like a dead branch, although the branch has been dead for a while, so the burning is not an act of destruction. We destroy ourselves through selfishness.
wardancer 1 year ago
You said, "After a fashion there is nothing in us worth saving."
Have you ever wondered why nearly all of the racist and hate based organizations identify themselves as christian? You've just stated it.
If this is what god is then burn me. I want nothing to do with something as evil as your god.
tiggster13 1 year ago
sorry :(
wardancer 1 year ago
you are my new hero
ewx81 2 years ago
I'm not sure if our friend KIMBOSLICE realizes that the only thing he's accomplishing, is to make himself look like a terrible waste of a life.
Anyone have the heart to tell him?
mykarian 2 years ago
wow Mr. Self Righteous wasting his time talking about a god he does not believe in...
KIMBOSLICE66666 2 years ago
Tell me, do you also go to harry Potter forums, telling the denizens they are wasting their time discussing fictional characters?
Cafeeine 2 years ago
telll me why are you a flying homo when you know god is real but you atheist love to to it in the ass CHECK
KIMBOSLICE66666 2 years ago
Gay insults, really? Those don't really work, you know, unless you're a gay repressed faith-head who feels guilty every time some man-ass gives him an erection so he acts out on comment boards. You wouldn't know anybody like that would you?
Cafeeine 2 years ago 3
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Who do you think you are? You are not in a position to judge God. Stop decieving yourself into thinking that somehow your opinion about God matters. All that will matter in the end is what God's opinion is of you.
beshxo 2 years ago
Who do you think you are? You are not in a position to tell people what to do. Stop decieving yourself into thinking that somehow your opinion about God matters. All that will matter in the end is how you treat others and how others treat you.
Subfightr 2 years ago
Wth? 2 nearly identical posts back to back from different users. Are you spamming comments with different accounts or did you both copy/paste your replies from some website or did you just copy your reply from the poster before you?
rhyfelur 2 years ago
Read it again, Im am mocking the poster, I took his words and kinda spun em back at him is all. But for some reason the replies do not go they normally do on youtube. Replies look like new posts.
Subfightr 2 years ago
Oh..P sorry i didnt pick up on that the first time.
Peace
rhyfelur 2 years ago
Lol, clever person you are. Heheheh.
UrieWhore68 2 years ago
Hes not scared of people who dont exist.
metaitachi 2 years ago 2
i guess he is wasting his time
KIMBOSLICE66666 2 years ago
Then god is an unjust pathetic tyrant, and that's not fucking debatable.
MrSalamander7 2 years ago
who do you think you are to say that he's nobody to question god? and why? Cause you say so? Same logic: stop deceiving yourself into thinking god exists.... See how debating in this manner is useless? Unless you can contribute and be constructive, stop spamming. I'm under serious impression that those really brainwashed don't really hear a thing 'we' say - they just feel shocked and disgusted. Unproductive.
Rinchi61 2 years ago
lol I'm somehow all at once offended and amused. Good list though. I agree with the overall idea of evidence backing Christianity's values and teachings up coming from the Bible. It astounds (and scares) me how seriously people take every word in that book.
drowsygrrl 2 years ago
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I throughly enjoyed this video,
except for one thing.
He hasn't stopped. The miracles,
he hasn't stopped doing them.
Love, mary.
2704CHRISTINE 2 years ago
If Gods plan is ineffable, and if because of your humanity you are in "no position to say anything about it", by what leap of authority are you to subscribe to the morality of it? Sounds like agnosticism to me! Essentially this reduces the God Problem to an argument from ignorance.
"You don't know better so you'd better nod your head and say uh-huh."
But since theism is inherently irrational I don't expect this fact to change many minds.
NihilistImp 2 years ago
I don't think this lady should be living in fear if she is following the Bible. Being "good" doesn't mean anything. The Christian belief is that we will all be judged, therefore we have no right to judge others and call it true judgment. That is why I thought John Milton's epic was silly. He tried to tear down the belief in God at its source and yet he didn't even realize the forces he was dealing with. He questioned God because his heart told him he had no God to question.
Youlube32 2 years ago
Theo..BS
Its rare 2 see some1 with the ability 2 use logic & reason, 2 confront the insanity that is god's plan.
Im truly glad to see U take on "God's plan" & illustrate just how absurd such a "plan" is!
I'd like 2 ask your view on something I've debated about for a few years now.
I say that if god is omniscient then free will cannot exist in man. Once god thinks about us in the future & sees who is in hell, then no matter what choices we make, it can only come out 1 way. We R locked into fate!
Cootabux 2 years ago
Your vary intelligent.
Subscribe.
ginkiba3 2 years ago
reading an old testament which many of the old rules don't apply is what atheists go by.
lame stupidity.
read the book
MrAubery 2 years ago
MrAu..
Sorry U don't understand what Atheism means or what an Atheist believes or doesn't believe.
Most serious Atheists I know have more knowledge of scripture than most Xians.
I've studied the OT, NT, the Torah, The Latin Vulgate, and now I'm working on the Codex Sinaiticus.
I was a Xian for over 50 years before graduating to Atheism.
I can safely say that I've given the subject some thought!
Cootabux 2 years ago
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Youlube32 2 years ago
"Nobody can comprehend the complexities of God's plan. The closest people can get is the Bible."
Wow, asserting without evidence; how common.
johndabomb44 2 years ago 2
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Youlube32 2 years ago
Are you trying to make a point?
johndabomb44 2 years ago
john..
If U missed it, I truly feel sorry for U.
Cootabux 2 years ago
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Cootabux 2 years ago
You..
Unfortunately, U know none of what U say. If so, prove it. U have the floor.
Cootabux 2 years ago
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Youlube32 2 years ago
ever heard of okams razor? works kinda like this: every thing that wasent prooven is not true. if ill say there is a tea pot in space that moves in sercular motion around earth, will you believe me? no, you will say the would have found it by now. but what if ill say that its too small to see and made out of weird matter that cant be senced by any way, will it be any truer? and what if il say i know it because a 5000 years old book told me, will you believ me? i think not. you have no reason too
hobesthetiger 2 years ago
Youlube
You simply don't ask someone to prove a negative! If you make a claim then the burden of proof is on you, not me!
No, again your logic is flawed. Bcuz something "can" be possible doesn't add to it's probability.
We can talk all day about what "could" be true, but we would quickly get nowhere.
If you are making a claim, please substantiate it. If you cannot, why say it in the 1st place? It's no different in just making it all up!
Cootabux 2 years ago
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Youlube32 2 years ago
youlube..
Its interesting that U took my "flaw in your logic" comment, something I hear all the time from Fundies, & took it 2 the lengths U have.
Maybe U R just saving me some typing?
Y do I care???? I care bcuz a very special lady is living in fear! She's so afraid god is going 2 strike her down 4 her inability 2 B perfect. I love her & it hurts me 2 ,C her delusion driving her mad.
I hope that answers your query.
P.S.
Its not dying & existing after, but waking in a nightmare of your god's.
Cootabux 2 years ago
Sorry man. I didn't realize someone special was involved. I made a false judgment. It never ceases to amaze me of how our judgments of other people can just as easily make ourselves feel judged falsely. I would come to the quick decision that I could judge the world because they were all wrong. But at the same moment I realized that the world thinks the same of me. And it hurts. That is what Jesus said and that's why it stung so bad. I wasn't even following the source for my beliefs.
Youlube32 2 years ago
Cootabux, I truly am sorry I attacked you. Don't take any of what I'm saying as some bullcrap that I'm making up in order to trick you in some way. Just take this as an apology from another real person who is sorry that he was blindly being a jackass. If you don't forgive me, I will understand. None of us really do deserve forgiveness. Yet we all sometimes feel like we do. I'm done attacking atheists altogether. I have no right to say that they deserve something that I myself do deserve as well.
Youlube32 2 years ago
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Youlube32 2 years ago
Youlube..
Exactly.
Cootabux 2 years ago
We are in need of a place for bad people,(hell) when then end of satans arguement will come is in the book, GOD didn't make robots to love him, he made us with free will unlike angels. That is why you are free to turn away unlike any other being. Satan installed our sinful nature not GOD. Atheists are usually people who didn't read the bible or quran. The bible tells when God will appear, and there were scientists since enoch's day or before. You get no rewads for misleading others.
MrAubery 2 years ago
Many atheists read the bible just for the reference (like me), unlike most theists who just rely on their pastor and never read their holy books. It has been said that the quickest way to atheism is actually reading the bible, especially the old testament. This is attributed to the fact that once the human being is exposed to all the moronic fallacies and inconsistencies of theistic dogma, he/she will certainly want to find an alternative view point.
andron333 2 years ago 2
"GOD didn't make robots to love him, he made us with free will unlike angels. That is why you are free to turn away unlike any other being."
Correlation does not always equal causation.
"Atheists are usually people who didn't read the bible or quran."
I read all of the New Testament and all the way from Genesis to II Kings and I still think its full of shit.
johndabomb44 2 years ago 3
i actually thing that religion books are quit iteresting from antropologist POV. i have read almost every religion book.
hobesthetiger 2 years ago
MrAu..
Its sad 2 C so many ppl who read but dont comprehend.
God created satan. Satan does nothing without god's approval & blessing. God created good & evil. He created us just the way we R, with our natural desires. We R then told our nature is evil.
Dont blame Eve 4 the fall. God planned that 2. The guilt trip is laid on us. Eve couldn't have resisted if she tried with all her might. 1 way or the other, god was going 2 make her fail....& she didnt even have knowledge of good or evil.
Sad
Cootabux 2 years ago
*sigh* I know God is such a jerk. Poor Eve. She broke the rules not even knowing what the rules were! How bout cutting the girl and the rest of humanity some slack!
aquajock7up 2 years ago 2
"soul"...lol
wizardmanninja 2 years ago
Loved you on gh Dylan...going back ever?
StavrosC 2 years ago
This is absolutely brilliant.
SpearTheAlmighty 2 years ago
"There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason... Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."
-- Martin "enemy of reason" Luther
leporidus 2 years ago
"Faith is the acceptance of the truth of a statement in spite of insufficient or contradictory evidence. Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its merits."
--Dan Barker, former Evangelical minister
brentj30 2 years ago 2
"Faith offers no way to determine the real truth about anything, but is a great way to stay wrong forever and, never admit it to yourself. Science is completely opposite in every respect. Rather than any need to believe, science is driven by a desire to understand. And, the only way to improve your understanding of anything is to seek out errors in your current position, and correct them. Science is a self-correcting process which changes constantly because its always improving."
-- AronRa
brentj30 2 years ago 2
Pretty funny video. Love the repeated use of "cognitive beings" makes us sound like lab rats. Hilarious.
icebeam23860 2 years ago
6:24 ......awesome
meatball1887 2 years ago
Brilliant, well said! Subscribed!
mattdistad 2 years ago
and this is one of the more rational parts of religion.. i love the bits about lobsters being an abomination (even though god pressumably made them) - Leviticus.
wiresinlove 2 years ago