Sounds more like Divorce music in a weird sort of way, tell your cousin to hang onto their business card in case things go bad...not that I wish or anticipate anything would go wrong with their happiness...I'm sure none of us do....I'm just saying......you never know.
What the heck is this??..it sounds like these guys are just making it up as they go along...what a gyp. You'de think they'd get a lot more wedding jobs if they just rehearsed some proper songs
@EsaelPaggin024 I think DooWopDiddler was being sarcastic my friend. These guys haven't had to play a wedding in a long long time. I think Vinnie makes more in a month touring with Sting than I make in a year. :)
The big names that were listed didn't always create their biggest hits. Oops. the studio CD with Jeff Beck isn't as good as his earlier works with other drummers. same goes with just about everyone else.
@Oneness100 Yay the Vinnie troll is back to continue his legacy! You are adorable! I think I speak on behalf of everybody who came to this video to marvel at superhuman drumming: we love our Vinnie troll!!! Life would not be the same without you. Please continue your amazing legacy and never let anybody's negative opinions keep you from doing what you believe in and what I believe is your sole purpose on Earth: which is being the Vinnie troll! <3 <3 <3
Most demand drummer in the world? So, is that why Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, Santana, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Madonna, Tom Petty, and a bunch of others haven't used Vinnie?
I watched his solo and I can tell that Vinnie has pretty similar technique as Virgil Donati. Or Virgil has similar technique as Vinnie. Both of them are aliens (humans can't play like that!). They are so much different but they have similar technique. It's so awesome ^^
I saw Vinnie in the UK with Chick Corea and John maglaughlin a cpl years back with five peace band... i was about 10 feet away from him side on... It changed my life. There's music... then there is pure art.... and thats Vinnie. Really
Vinnie has it ,and everything that a drummer could want.. first you have to have this amazing talent, then this musicanship were u can play anything, and make it feel good. WOW! what a F*&$er F%&#^. Im lost for words.
Great performance, but not nearly as good as the same (live) track on "Karizma: Document". Wish they'd turned the lights up a bit so we could better see Vinnie in action. :-)
Oh OK, I guess we should all listen to Billy Ray Cyrus because Vinnie reecorded with him. That makes all of the sense in the world. I am sure Vinnie has played on a bunch commercials. Let's go dig them up and listen to them as well. come on, everyone has put out something that wasn't that great. So your CD collection includes Billy Ray Cyrus, Kyle Estwood and Megadeth? Boy, was that a waste of money.
@Oneness100 I didn't say who anybody should listen to or who I listen to. I said you are a jive talking nobody trying to belittle people who are somebodies. By the way, I'd have INFINITELY more respect for you if you had a Hero reunion, re-recorded a modern live version of Boys Will Be Boys, and posted that on YouTube.
@zip91413 I can have an opinion on what i feel is being a master at a certain genre of music. Just like you can. Well, I never said he wasn't a great drummer. I heard others play the same songs as Vinnie and I feel the others had better performances. I prefer Steve Gadds performance of Nitesprite over Vinnies. I prefer Billy Cobham's version of Stratus than Vinnie's. I am an avid llistemer to music and yeah, I also play, but i don't make a fool of myself by posting BS to impress people.
@zip91413. So, what have you posted for me to have to listen to you instead of having my own thoughts and opinions? Why don't you list a version that Vinnie has performed that is a classic jazz/fusion song that is better than the original legendary version. I'll be as fair in my assessment as I possibly can. Is that fair.
@Oneness100 No - I'd rather eat a box of nails than read another 'assessment' from you. Shut your trap and play your traps. Get out from behind your keyboard and go try to find a gig. I'm trying to let you in on the joke bud. You are projecting all of your fears in your posts. Get out of your basement. Go make a fool of yourself on stage somewhere. But I warn you: it's a lot harder to act like an expert with all those people watching you. It might humble you a little.
They're guessing at the time here trading 4's & 8's at the end of the song, I wouldn't call this performance 'at his best'. A great example pros making it happen though.
Been reading some of the comments here. Why dont you just ENJOY the massive talents of a once in a lifetime musician? Vinnie is endlessly creative, inventive, musical and never lacking energy or passion. But most of all he is a PERSONAL musical force who in addition has the skills to cover any musical situation with equal flair. I recommend reading interviews of Vinnie through the years in Modern Drummer etc. He is the first to say that MUSIC comes first, not technique and licks!
@italiarovinata Yep, he is the best and you showing everyone he plays for speaks for itself. Not to mention all the awards he has had so many awards. Everyone in the drumming community is aware of it. I first encountered him when he played for Joni. Also
I met Jaco and Pat. He is the world's best, I agree. Technically perfect.
wow i had no idea how similar thomas pridgen sounded to this in his early days when he was like 16. And even know, he has been so greatly influenced by vinnie. wow i had no idea
I'd say that Vinnie is the only great jazzman of this group.. Landau, Stubenhaus (though he plays nice walking bass) and Garfield are just decent.. They just should keep on playing rock stuff
@Gorgalisin oh well, maybe I was too harsh, it's of course great to hear them play jazz and I love when a group has some flavor in their music and suddenly changes it to other flavor!
When I was 13 years old David Garfield came to my home town of Upland CA and jammed with our local fusion trio at a coffee house a few times. The trio was called Potato Salad (Kurt Doey- Guitar Felix-Bass Dave McNickels- Drums). They played a lot of Karizma tunes like I'm Buzzed, Big Bone, Los Labatomies tunes too. As a young teenager being able to see these guys rip in a coffee house for free was so cool, it spawned my music career! Any body ever heard of 'Potato Salad' the band..'?
i just spent half of this song reading all of these comments on legends and what not. just letting you know, no one you have named or mentioned, typed or critiqued, edified or lowered is either enjoying their riches or making dvds of their works to be obtained and uploaded on youtube. so....everyone chill out. its almost like you are sucking up to whoever your favorite is. they have never heard of you. just listen to the blasted song or make your own. jeez!
Vinnie goes beyond being a good technical drummer, he has true muscianship, understanding of musical form, legendary site reading abiltiy and can add so much to a song in near perfect time. That is about as good as you can get! That is why he is in such demand, and why he is one of the worlds greatest drummers.
@charlesh1 Sorry, but when someone at his level stoops to record with Kyle Eastwood, Megadeth, or Billy Ray Cyrus leaves me wondering where Vinnie's heart is.
@Oneness100 It's called being a professional muscian. That's like saying James Earl Jones should not have voiced Darth Vader in Star Wars. Great talent has to eat, too. His commitment is to being a great professional. And that means taking money when offered for all kinds of gigs. Should not have played with a group because you don't approve? I don't get the logic. I can't imagine the hours he has put in to get as good as he is.
@charlesh1 Well, I am not going to rely on conjecture in terms of why he did the gigs, other than some professionals draw the line. Personally, i don't think there was anything wrong with Jones doing Darth Vader. Playing with Kyle Eastwood, Billy Ray Cyrus or Megadeth is just professional suicide for a great drummer, IMO. I don't see Steve Gadd taking too many sub-standard gigs. Some players focus on their creative outlet which is part of what makes a Master Player. They rarely stoop.
@Oneness100 Stooping...? He's a professional musician. He has many areas down in his playing, so he can easily lend his hand to just about anything. Why would he refuse a paying gig? He's not thinking of Megadeth or whichever band/artist he plays for as being below anything else he does, to him it's music and he happens to play music for a living. That's what being a pro is. Vinnie is a master player because he has just about everything nailed down tighter than anyone can probably imagine.
@paulo101 Yeah.... Stooping. I don't see Masters like Tony Williams or the others stooping down to Megadeth or Kyle Eastwood. Certain players play for the art of playing and the money is secondary. Yeah, some players do want to get paid plenty of money, but some have a certain amount of integrity in the process. Just players like Billy Cobham wont take a session if he is asked to play like Steve Gadd. He turns those down. Some players don't compromise, regardless of the $.
@paulo101 Thank you Paulo, these guys need to make a living and if they don't have a choice as sometimes happens, they just make their money as we all have to do, be it Colaiutia, Stubenhuas or M. Fisher. I can't believe someone said Neil plays "nice" walking bass. Yeah, right... Neil is just a nice bass player??? I don't think Oneness knows these guys or the business-- he said money is secondary to the guys with musical integrity. Tell them that when they don't get a gig for a month or longer.
@Oneness100 Your comments are excruciating. Upload your own video. Add something to the world instead of trying to take something away. Or are you satisfied being the cynic? Destructiveness is laziness. Creativity is truth, honesty, bravery. Who are you to put Kyle, Megadeath or Billy Ray down, much less Vinnie? They're brave. They create. I've heard of them, I've never heard of you.
vinnie is a balanced muso..a fuck off technical player with an amazing ear to play what the song needs..grooved technicality is what i call it ,as his dynamics are so effective they seem to blend with ease into the numerous compositons he's played on which is why he is in top demand...a comsumet professional without a doubt..thanks 4 the post!!
Well, when it comes to certain performances, i think he does great, but I am not going to put him on the same level or higher than legendary masters like some people have/are doing. i just don't think it is warranted, I feel that some of his interpretations of classic fusion songs weren't that good and I think he is overrated and that's my take. Plenty of other players that deserve attention that don't get it that are much more original and worth checking out.
no neil peart is overrated. vinnie is a master. who doesn't get that respect? billy cobham, tony williams, al foster? they get thier respect. trust me.
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My cat, Ears, cat out drum this guy Vinnie.
Ears can hug his girlfriend Haw, with his back paw, while whipping off Double Trinkle Doodles with his right front claw.
See how the audience cheers Ears. See how the women love his drums & stunning backflips and purring and kitty whiskers.
Everyone votes for Vinnie to change careers and become a soup and sub sandwich chef at a Victorian-style Jamaican steak house & leave the real deal drums to Ears.
What is "better"? As a drummer for 34 years, I have found that there is no such thing. Different cats bring different skill sets to the table. You cannot compare Vinnie with say Papa Jo Jones.They come from two different eras. Different influences and surroundings. While you're debating who's better or worse, these guys are hanging out with each other and playing great gigs, around the world! Let the guitarists rank each other and cut each others heads. Eat it or throw it away.....
oneness100 said: he keeps on flipping the groove and it gets frustrating to listen to. Its like saying I dont get, cause it frustrates him. he like plain playing without displacements, and maybe he doesnt even like or know much about polyrhythms. He might be a 'drummer' with 50 years of experience, but he has no right to talk like that about VInnie even if he has less years of experience, I bet Vinnie is a better musician than oneness is. u probably learn few suff in a long time
Well, juanbarros88, I have been practicing playing a groove and adding an extra beat or triplet at any point without thinking, so I know how to displace grooves, it is just a matter of doing when it actually makes sense to do it, but that depends on the song. Trilok Gurtu rails on Vinnie with beat displacement, but he does it and it fits the song, IMO.
Vinnie could play on trash can lids , card board boxes and a sick mule, and still make better sounds then you on customized Ludwig's, Pearl's, Tama's, etc
@cavoglavi I play Gretsch USA Maple drums and I have had nothing but compliments on the sound. They are not as round sounding as say, birch drums or Yamaha, but do have that throaty drum sound that I love. Best sounding drums I've ever owned.
Markmende- I was being deeply ironic. Lars Ulrich is not even close to the top-league - a mere high-school drummer, where Vinnie is the absolut master- creatively and musically without any comparrison, technically only Weckl can match him at times.
Dude why the fuck does Oneness100 comment on all of Vinnie's video's? I think he has a little man-crush going on. Oneness100 likes Mahivishnu so much huh? Well John McLaughlin apparently though Vinnie was good enough to hire him for a world tour. I just saw Vinnie and the 5 peace band in Denver and I can tell you that he fucking killed it with Chick Corea (Legend) John McLaughlin ( Legend) and the others in the band (soon to be legends).
I've seen videos of Vinnie playing w/ McLaughlin and Corea. To me, Vinnie overplays in that group. Just my opinion. He doesn't allow the music to breath as much as Rajit.
Well, you just said it yourself, Vinnie isn't a legend. When Vinnie has "lengendary" recordings and when DownBeat honors Vinnie with an award, then I'll consider him a Legend, but that hasn't happened yet, Yet you guys think that his already Legendary, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I don't feel Vinnie is at Master Level.
Vinnie has won countless Best Of... awards in every Drum Magazines. Plays with all of the great players: Hancock, Corea, Beck, Sting, Zappa. Is one of the best schooled drummers as far as reading & technical ability. Played on more albums and jingles then probably any other drummer. Plays all different styles with ease. And you still don't consider him at a Master Level?
You my friend are either delusional, jealous, or a hater.
When it comes to playing fusion, NO, I don't think he is a master, because he hasn't recorded any classic recordings that I feel deserving of that kind of credit, I think he doesn't play that well when it comes to fusion, i think he tries too hard and it doesn't come out right. I've seen enough of the early fusion bands from the '70s and they just played that style of music with more credibility. Vinnie plays too many cliche licks when he plays fusion. I am just not impressed. Sorry.
I know this was a while ago...but if you don't class Allan Holdsworth's album "Secrets" to be a "classic recording that you feel deserving of that kind of credit" then I don't know what fusion you listen to...
@ricyarborough I've listened to the Secrets album many times. I personally didn't think it was as good as some people tout it to be. To me it was kind of boring. It almost sounded like the players weren't playing together as cohesively in terms of the melody lines. I am more old school fusion from MO, RTF, Weather Report and the off-shoots of those three bands. I did like Holdsworth with Tony Williams, I considered Holdsworth playing with Williams to be more classic playing.
@ricyarborough Here's the deal and I have stated this from Day 1. Vinnie is a great drummer and can play various music styles, but I don't think he is at the same playing level in terms of originality with Jazz Fusion music as are the Masters like Cobham, Williams, White, etc. that have been there from the beginning. Vinnie is playing cops a lot of cliche chops that were orignated by others and many times it doesn't come off well, musically speaking.
@Oneness100 Nah man, Vinnie adds as much to the drumming lexicon as any of the guys from whom he cops licks. All of those guys cop licks from drummers before them too. What's great about Vinnie is he takes the body of knowledge he has and really uses it for his own purposes and musical expression. To say that he is behind any of those listed on a musical level for example originality is to me just plain wrong, even if it is an opinion. I mean Vinnie is just a ball of genius musical expression
@HamerD Can you be specific on what recordings, specific grooves, fills on specific jazz/fusion recordings that have been considered at Master Level that were original?
@HamerD I've heard Secrets. It wasn't a that much of a classic recording. It might be one of Allan Holdsworth's better solo CDs, but I didn't hear much in the way of decent melody lines throughout the entire CD, it seemed just a bunch of technically good players playing chops and that's about it. I liked Allan Holdsworth with Tony William LIfetime, I think the songs were better and the players were playing the songs together rather than the indescriminant chops playing, which gets REAL old.
@Oneness100 Fine then, check out Vinnie playing with Jeff Beck recently. At the club in London is a really good one, you can see vids around. Also, him playing with Chick Corea and John Maclaughlin recently was amazing and some of the greatest fusion you'll see.
@HamerD Sorry, I've seen Billy with Maha in 1973,Narada came closest, but still couldn't compare. The 5 Peace Band wasn't at the same level as Maha, or the Trio with Trilok. I am a HUGE fan of McLaughlin and Corea since 1973 and have seen both in that time period and that was the era of fusion. I just think McLaughlin does his best work with Cobham, Williams, Gurtu, Narada and Tony Smith. I just think they play better. Vinnie overplays IMO.
@Oneness100 Although you clearly have a valid opinion, I can't believe anyone here with an ounce of knowledge would dismiss your viewpoint, I don't really accept your point that Vinnie overplays. For me, fusion drumming should use Tony as the be all and end all example; and Vinnie is basically the closest man alive to Tony.
If you are going to judge him on how much he plays, then I guess I can't argue because he does put his drumming forward heavily in fusion playing (not in studio)
@HamerD I've seen Jeff Beck on the original Blow by Blow tour, Wired tour, Jan Hammer Beck Tour, and the There and Back tour. Vinnie is trying to play the same songs. I just felt they were when Beck was at his finest and the bands subsequently played better together.. To me anything that is being done is just like a decent cover band backing Beck up. I noticed Beck is using Narada now. McLaughlin is back playing w/ Husband/Mondesir. Where's Vinnie?
You're a lucky guy then man! Vinnie playing with Jeff, with Tal Wilkenfeld back in 2008 is what I'm talking about. It's a great tour, I happened to catch one of the dates and if you can pick up the gig at Ronnie Scott's I'd advise. Clapton comes up and plays a couple of songs with him. So do Imogen Heap and Joss Stone.
But whatever, I think Vinnie's phrasing and unique, diverse approach to drumming is just the absolute top notch. Though I like all the other drummers you mention.
@HamerD I've seen the videos and heard the Ronnie Scott's gig. Vinnie played a few of the songs with excellent playing, but some of the songs just didn't make it for me. Tal plays great, but if you see the bass player that is playing with Narada/Beck, the new bassist has more experience/more solid groove. Tal is still a very young player, but does have skill. Nothing compares to Jan Hammer or Max Middleton on keys..
@Oneness100 You need to check out Randy Waldman's CD Unreel. There's also a book that goes with it by Mark Atkinson that breaks down the majority of his solos and transcriptions from the record.
@ataraxia7nostalgia That's fine, but I am not intested in analyzing Vinnie's solos by site reading them. I'd rather try to figure out Trilok Gurtu, he is WAY more intersting of a player in today's music scene, plus I still like to figure out what the original fusion master's have done as well as listening to other players that are unique. Paco Sery and other African drummer are more intersting for me to listen to and study.
@ataraxia7nostalgia And I am sure that if I did, I would actually see a lot of stuff that Tony Williams, Steve Gadd, Buddy Rich, Weckl, etc. and other older players did years before Vinnie.
@Oneness100 I'm not going to dismiss anyone's opinion but if you really truly breakdown and analyze Vinnie's playing and concepts you can see the difference in his playing compared to guys like Tony, Billy, etc. Vinnie's got a way of controlling his subdivisions on the pulse of a groove that he can basically shift his lines and phrases in a way to create new ideas and sounds. If Vinnie were a scientist he could split an atom and breakdown the number of particles in it without a microscope.
@ataraxia7nostalgia Your assessment of "If Vinnie were a scientist...." is total conjecture. With regards to what he does technically, doesn't really explain if what he is doing is actually musical with regards to what the SONG is. I've heard him do all of the technical things you are mentioning, but he IMO completely screws up the fundemental groove/steps over melody lines and the solist. I think he is much better suited to play pop-oriented songs that are well produced.
@ataraxia7nostalgia Vinnie would be better if he didn't overplay. He needs to play the freaking groove, play WITH the melody line and play with the solist. when he does that and relaxes in the process, he sounds better. I'd would rather listen to Herbie Hancock Man Child or Secrets albums and listen to some of the best funk/jazz drummers playing a feaking groove and sticking to it.
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Playing on jingles is commercial playing, plenty of guys have done that. There are plenty of guys that can read and have great technical ability. I prefer Manu Katche with Sting. I prefer the older Zappa from the 70's. I prefer Hancock w/Mike Clark, others, I prefer Chick w/Lenny White, I prefer Jeff Beck with Simon Phillips/Tony Smith/Bernard Purdie/Narada. Vinnie hasn't won any awards with Down Beat. I'm still waiting for that to happen.
Down Beat? Really? Who gives a crap about Down Beat?
Yes, it's a good Jaz rag that has been around for years, but come on. That is your standard for greatness?
I know this is all opinions and you have a right to your own. But here is an opinion from someone that has played with Viine for years. "He is the best drummer I have ever played with." Sting
@skinnymoo I am not going to consider him a Master Fusion drummer. Get over it, I've seen countless fusion bands since the 70's and Vinnie couldn't hang playing with Mahavishnu, that was and still is THE best example of fusion. Vinnie would probably have a heart attack, piss in his pants and leave a trail of do do if he was asked to play with the original Mahavishnu and even try to reach Billy's level. Go listent to the Wolfgang's Vault recordings of old Mahavishnu concerts.
@skinnymoo WHAT CLASSIC RECORDINGS HAS VINNIE PLAYED ON WITH COREA, BECK, McLaughlin, Hancock? NONE. The recordings he played on weren't considered to be their best work. Sorry.... I am not the only one that feels this way. I can only listen to the stuff Vinnie played with these great players a few times whereas the older classic recordings I can always go back to and feel at home listening to people that aren't trying to show off or overplay.
@skinnymoo modern Drummer mag has gone downhill in the last couple of decades. They USED to promote more jazz and fusion related drummers and relied less on advertisements. Well, when Vinnie can come out and become successful as a solo artist, he is a sideman player trying to act like a solo artist. He should stick to playing more simple and playing WITH the song/other musicians rather than trying to play as much technical BS. That's my opinion and I am going to stick with it.
@skinnymoo Steve Gadd has played on more albums than any other drummer and is the most recorded of all time. Despite this i do agree with you, Vinnie is one of the best!!!
@skinnymoo Well actually i believe Bernard Purdie holds the record for most recorded drummer.. But i could be wrong, but your DEFFINATELY right, VINNIE is a MASTER of masters in the drumming world
@skinnymoo no, i see where he's coming from. obviously, he's wrong, but if you just skim the surface of artists and don't go into too much depth, you don't really see vinnie do as much pocket and groove stuff as say, zoro, bernard purdie or steve gadd, just sort crazy time signature stuff with karizma and jing chi. the kid just need to see some of his stuff with sting and chaka khan.
@Oneness100 He MADE Sting's Ten Summoner's Tales sing. I've heard other drummers try to play with Sting and it seems flat compared to Vinnies playing.
@charlesh1 I know he made Sting's album. I think he did a great job. But that is a Adult Contemporary Pop album. It isn't a jazz/fusion album. He was also making the tracks so that STING liked what he did. But Manu Katche can do just a good of a job with Sting. Personally, I only like a few of the songs on the album that I can still listen to, some of the other songs on the album I got tired of listening to. Sting usually has a bunch of great songs with a few that aren't so great.
I think we are so lucky to have him with us. Avedis Zildjan once publicly said that he thought Vinnie was the best drummer in the world at the time. So did Mr. Remo (forgot his full name). Masters like Vinnie, they are as successfull and rich as they can get in this business. Corea, Hancock, Beck, Sting apparently love him. What should matter more to a professional musician than that when it comes to making a living?
He makes me wanna quit playing and sit in the audience for good, though (lol).
yes, indeed vinnie is great drummer, i've seen him playing live for several times. Steve Gadd and vinnie colaiuta have different kind of rhythm, and the way they play. You also need to take consideration of dave weckl, the late buddy rich and carlos vega, they are great drummers too, check it out guys. Oh and also look up when steve gadd, vinnie coaliuta, and dave weckl played together at buddy rich memorial.
sorry to break it to everybody. Vinnie Colaiuta is the best drummer to have ever walked the planet. He's hired for more sessions than you'd ever imagine. No drummer can be that busy. Check his schedule for cutting Platinum albums on his site. IT"S SICK!
Gadd been busy since the '70s and his catalog is priceless.
Let's see some of Vinnie's more popular recordings. It's actually quite amusing.
Glen Campbell, Backstreet Boys, Kyle Eastwood, Billy Ray Cirus, Boyz 2 Men. Yeah, Vinnie has been on a lot of albums, but a lot of them went no where, some are more commercial pop and only a few that standout, but none are that notable as a classic recording. Sorry, I just don't see a big list of classic recordings in the jazz/fusion realm.
Titles are given by the industry. I don't make up the titles, it is just how the music industry describes different types of music. Just like being able to play a latin, funk, etc. Vinnie may be a great drummer, but I don't feel he has been on a classic recording in the genre commonly referred to as jazz/fusion. He may have played with many of the great artists, but I haven't heard a recording with him that I would listen to over and over and feel it was classic playing.
One thing that a lot of contemporary drummers miss the point on is that they seem to play to expose their massive amounts of chops, whereas the drummers from the '70's fusion era were playing more WITH the other band members and the song and it seemed much more cohesive. Sometimes Vinnie actually plays the song and doesn't put too much extra, sometimes he is just playing what someone else already did, or he's playing WAY too much and detracts from the actual song. It depends on the gig.
THANK GOD! Someone who totally, totally gets it! I have theories about why and how the players became better technicians and much, much less interesting musicians (e.g., the rise of rock and jazz curriculuum in music schools churning out proficient, if soulless robots) but don't find 2 many sympathetic ears on this score. My big problem w groove-meisters is their predictability. I mean, after a measure or two one totally gets it & they've nothing left to say that u can't see coming a mile off.
Vinnie definitively my favorite drummer
guayo1982 4 days ago
Mental!
Obscure5555 1 week ago
vinnie è semplicemente fantastico ;)
RoccoManuel 1 month ago
vinnie: por siempre el mejor!!!!!!!
said69ify 1 month ago in playlist Vinnie Colaiuta
vinnie c.= baddest drummer ever, west, south, east, north! That's italian, sicilian, whatever, its music at it's best.
tamatamrogers 2 months ago
this video from which dvd?
Si1212 2 months ago
Sounds more like Divorce music in a weird sort of way, tell your cousin to hang onto their business card in case things go bad...not that I wish or anticipate anything would go wrong with their happiness...I'm sure none of us do....I'm just saying......you never know.
doowopdiddler 2 months ago
What the heck is this??..it sounds like these guys are just making it up as they go along...what a gyp. You'de think they'd get a lot more wedding jobs if they just rehearsed some proper songs
doowopdiddler 2 months ago
@doowopdiddler "Honkey Tonk Woman" and wedding cake! Whoo-hoo!!! (Whoops I just inhaled a mosquito -- darn these back yard weddings!)
zip91413 2 months ago
@doowopdiddler
It's actually a composition. It's not made up as they play it. It's called jazz. Heard of it?
EsaelPaggin024 2 months ago
@EsaelPaggin024 I think DooWopDiddler was being sarcastic my friend. These guys haven't had to play a wedding in a long long time. I think Vinnie makes more in a month touring with Sting than I make in a year. :)
zip91413 1 month ago
The big names that were listed didn't always create their biggest hits. Oops. the studio CD with Jeff Beck isn't as good as his earlier works with other drummers. same goes with just about everyone else.
Oneness100 2 months ago
@Oneness100 Yay the Vinnie troll is back to continue his legacy! You are adorable! I think I speak on behalf of everybody who came to this video to marvel at superhuman drumming: we love our Vinnie troll!!! Life would not be the same without you. Please continue your amazing legacy and never let anybody's negative opinions keep you from doing what you believe in and what I believe is your sole purpose on Earth: which is being the Vinnie troll! <3 <3 <3
zip91413 2 months ago
Most demand drummer in the world? So, is that why Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, Santana, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Madonna, Tom Petty, and a bunch of others haven't used Vinnie?
Oneness100 2 months ago
Where did this footage come from?
sheldonknowsall 4 months ago
I hear y'all really I do. But have you all forgotten about Mr. William Cobham?
Just 'tube' the rawness of John Mclaughlin and Magavishnu Orchestra. Inner Mounting Flame?Birds Of Fire? Nuff said.
I'm not even gonba include his work with 'Dreams' or his solo stuff. I don't have to. Go listen to Deodato Skyscrapers.
nukeystik 5 months ago
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nickomckilo 6 months ago
Oh Vinnie, Vinnie...now, it's personal.
diegochangos 6 months ago
the only current guys i would put on the same level as him: gary novak,, weckl, chris coleman, jojo mayer,
paisteguy799 7 months ago
caca, popo, defecar, cagar es lo unico que puedo hacer cagarme en el rostro de a quellos que se comparen con vinie colaiuta
susangre756 8 months ago
Vinnie can sub for ANYONE...
nobody can do what he does...
Best Drummer Ever
drumhead40 8 months ago
I watched his solo and I can tell that Vinnie has pretty similar technique as Virgil Donati. Or Virgil has similar technique as Vinnie. Both of them are aliens (humans can't play like that!). They are so much different but they have similar technique. It's so awesome ^^
SEhpm 8 months ago
@SEhpm ... they are not similar at all, two fantastic musicians but very different for me.
lanesblitz 8 months ago
I saw Vinnie in the UK with Chick Corea and John maglaughlin a cpl years back with five peace band... i was about 10 feet away from him side on... It changed my life. There's music... then there is pure art.... and thats Vinnie. Really
withnail1968 10 months ago
Vinnie has it ,and everything that a drummer could want.. first you have to have this amazing talent, then this musicanship were u can play anything, and make it feel good. WOW! what a F*&$er F%&#^. Im lost for words.
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romadrummer77 10 months ago
Great performance, but not nearly as good as the same (live) track on "Karizma: Document". Wish they'd turned the lights up a bit so we could better see Vinnie in action. :-)
CapZug 10 months ago
My mind just got pwned by this perfomance..but it was nothing personal.
Ardent15 11 months ago
Chuck Norris asked Vinnie if he could solo over time. Vinnie laughed and said, "I am time."
BuffoonCinema 11 months ago 3
Best drummer of all time.No one combines everything he did all at once.
fadethetrade 11 months ago
This is some good jazz!
Percussionfish 11 months ago
vinnie wow
VowOneWisdom 11 months ago
Vinnie is astounding!Check him out on the Jeff Beck Live At Ronnie Scotts dvd.You wont be disappointed!
smogbat50 1 year ago
Vinnie = pure genius.
strav12 1 year ago
Oh, God help us, Steven Segal with a keytar...
Just kidding. These guys RULE.
bergerdrum 1 year ago
Not my favorite drummer, but definitivly one of the greatest of the world...
iwannaberock 1 year ago
Miles Davis of Drums ;o)
ratamacueseven 1 year ago
Love this clip! Love Vinnie!
danlc95 1 year ago
Oh OK, I guess we should all listen to Billy Ray Cyrus because Vinnie reecorded with him. That makes all of the sense in the world. I am sure Vinnie has played on a bunch commercials. Let's go dig them up and listen to them as well. come on, everyone has put out something that wasn't that great. So your CD collection includes Billy Ray Cyrus, Kyle Estwood and Megadeth? Boy, was that a waste of money.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 I didn't say who anybody should listen to or who I listen to. I said you are a jive talking nobody trying to belittle people who are somebodies. By the way, I'd have INFINITELY more respect for you if you had a Hero reunion, re-recorded a modern live version of Boys Will Be Boys, and posted that on YouTube.
zip91413 1 year ago
@zip91413 I can have an opinion on what i feel is being a master at a certain genre of music. Just like you can. Well, I never said he wasn't a great drummer. I heard others play the same songs as Vinnie and I feel the others had better performances. I prefer Steve Gadds performance of Nitesprite over Vinnies. I prefer Billy Cobham's version of Stratus than Vinnie's. I am an avid llistemer to music and yeah, I also play, but i don't make a fool of myself by posting BS to impress people.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 But you ARE posting a lot of BS to impress people. And you ARE making a fool of yourself. 'Shut up 'n play yer guitar.' - FZ
zip91413 1 year ago
@zip91413. So, what have you posted for me to have to listen to you instead of having my own thoughts and opinions? Why don't you list a version that Vinnie has performed that is a classic jazz/fusion song that is better than the original legendary version. I'll be as fair in my assessment as I possibly can. Is that fair.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 No - I'd rather eat a box of nails than read another 'assessment' from you. Shut your trap and play your traps. Get out from behind your keyboard and go try to find a gig. I'm trying to let you in on the joke bud. You are projecting all of your fears in your posts. Get out of your basement. Go make a fool of yourself on stage somewhere. But I warn you: it's a lot harder to act like an expert with all those people watching you. It might humble you a little.
zip91413 1 year ago 2
what vinnie does from 6:53 ,he s goin insane
tbedir 1 year ago
Made me laugh that Garfield quoted Mission Impossible right after Vinnie finished his introductory solo...
paulo101 1 year ago
Drumming GOD!!!
misterblister44 1 year ago
If you haven't heard Vinnie play, you probably don't listen to music!
aryuserius 1 year ago
OMG!! Vinnie !!!!
GMD825 1 year ago
This band played at my cousins wedding. But nobody danced.
teetomthomas 1 year ago 17
@teetomthomas : true, they were listening to the music.
italiarovinata 1 year ago 11
@teetomthomas is your cousin loaded?
samm1809 1 year ago
@teetomthomas
These guys would be a shitty 'wedding band', way too over the top.
What the hell was your cousins organizers thinking?
generatrix999 6 months ago
Respond to this video...
They're guessing at the time here trading 4's & 8's at the end of the song, I wouldn't call this performance 'at his best'. A great example pros making it happen though.
generatrix999 6 months ago
@teetomthomas Then your cousin might want to do his research a little better on what type of band to hire for a wedding ;P
paulo101 5 months ago
Been reading some of the comments here. Why dont you just ENJOY the massive talents of a once in a lifetime musician? Vinnie is endlessly creative, inventive, musical and never lacking energy or passion. But most of all he is a PERSONAL musical force who in addition has the skills to cover any musical situation with equal flair. I recommend reading interviews of Vinnie through the years in Modern Drummer etc. He is the first to say that MUSIC comes first, not technique and licks!
MrDrumsdrumsdrums 1 year ago
@italiarovinata Yep, he is the best and you showing everyone he plays for speaks for itself. Not to mention all the awards he has had so many awards. Everyone in the drumming community is aware of it. I first encountered him when he played for Joni. Also
I met Jaco and Pat. He is the world's best, I agree. Technically perfect.
PinkPrism008 1 year ago
Keyboardist is the only one that can keep with vinnie
RainbowLogic 1 year ago
this is really cool....but I'm not so fond of the guitarsound...
steffenbrix 1 year ago
que mostro!!
2212MA 1 year ago
Thanks Lord Jesus
goldenfingersmusic 1 year ago
wow i had no idea how similar thomas pridgen sounded to this in his early days when he was like 16. And even know, he has been so greatly influenced by vinnie. wow i had no idea
Bentoss612 1 year ago
I'd say that Vinnie is the only great jazzman of this group.. Landau, Stubenhaus (though he plays nice walking bass) and Garfield are just decent.. They just should keep on playing rock stuff
Gorgalisin 1 year ago
@Gorgalisin oh well, maybe I was too harsh, it's of course great to hear them play jazz and I love when a group has some flavor in their music and suddenly changes it to other flavor!
Gorgalisin 1 year ago
Why would anybody invest so much energy in trying to prove Vinnie isn't that good...
Everybody seems to be an expert on youtube...
I'm going back to enjoy the great clip.
EugenioTheDrummer 1 year ago
When I was 13 years old David Garfield came to my home town of Upland CA and jammed with our local fusion trio at a coffee house a few times. The trio was called Potato Salad (Kurt Doey- Guitar Felix-Bass Dave McNickels- Drums). They played a lot of Karizma tunes like I'm Buzzed, Big Bone, Los Labatomies tunes too. As a young teenager being able to see these guys rip in a coffee house for free was so cool, it spawned my music career! Any body ever heard of 'Potato Salad' the band..'?
DaKattAck000 1 year ago
the fill at 6:27 is sooooooooooo tasteful
nice to break it up with some space before he goes on another all out onslaught HAHAHA
GREATEST DRUMMER!!!!
ianhaan 1 year ago
Good GAWD! If Vinnie isn't the biggest monster out there, I dunno who is...& I don't WANNA know.
philherrupp 1 year ago
Vinnie says: In your face!
jaannas 1 year ago
nefasto el sonido del teclado!!!! como arruina todo!!! vinnie es lo más grande que hay!!! tre-men-do!
malditosusernames 1 year ago
what an awful keyboard's sound...
cereanola 1 year ago
lol, I wish Stub would cut a solo CD.
Gorgalisin 1 year ago
oops...i meant the ONES you have named...
onenonlyan 1 year ago
i just spent half of this song reading all of these comments on legends and what not. just letting you know, no one you have named or mentioned, typed or critiqued, edified or lowered is either enjoying their riches or making dvds of their works to be obtained and uploaded on youtube. so....everyone chill out. its almost like you are sucking up to whoever your favorite is. they have never heard of you. just listen to the blasted song or make your own. jeez!
onenonlyan 1 year ago
FUSION!
Percussionfish 1 year ago
love vinnie's phrasing at 6:13
doctaLB 2 years ago
I love Vinnie's phrasing at 6:25 ;)
Scratch47 1 year ago
Vinnie goes beyond being a good technical drummer, he has true muscianship, understanding of musical form, legendary site reading abiltiy and can add so much to a song in near perfect time. That is about as good as you can get! That is why he is in such demand, and why he is one of the worlds greatest drummers.
charlesh1 2 years ago 26
yeah thank u for that
LHondrums 2 years ago
@charlesh1 Sorry, but when someone at his level stoops to record with Kyle Eastwood, Megadeth, or Billy Ray Cyrus leaves me wondering where Vinnie's heart is.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 It's called being a professional muscian. That's like saying James Earl Jones should not have voiced Darth Vader in Star Wars. Great talent has to eat, too. His commitment is to being a great professional. And that means taking money when offered for all kinds of gigs. Should not have played with a group because you don't approve? I don't get the logic. I can't imagine the hours he has put in to get as good as he is.
charlesh1 1 year ago
@charlesh1 Well, I am not going to rely on conjecture in terms of why he did the gigs, other than some professionals draw the line. Personally, i don't think there was anything wrong with Jones doing Darth Vader. Playing with Kyle Eastwood, Billy Ray Cyrus or Megadeth is just professional suicide for a great drummer, IMO. I don't see Steve Gadd taking too many sub-standard gigs. Some players focus on their creative outlet which is part of what makes a Master Player. They rarely stoop.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 Stooping...? He's a professional musician. He has many areas down in his playing, so he can easily lend his hand to just about anything. Why would he refuse a paying gig? He's not thinking of Megadeth or whichever band/artist he plays for as being below anything else he does, to him it's music and he happens to play music for a living. That's what being a pro is. Vinnie is a master player because he has just about everything nailed down tighter than anyone can probably imagine.
paulo101 1 year ago 3
@paulo101 Yeah.... Stooping. I don't see Masters like Tony Williams or the others stooping down to Megadeth or Kyle Eastwood. Certain players play for the art of playing and the money is secondary. Yeah, some players do want to get paid plenty of money, but some have a certain amount of integrity in the process. Just players like Billy Cobham wont take a session if he is asked to play like Steve Gadd. He turns those down. Some players don't compromise, regardless of the $.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@paulo101 Thank you Paulo, these guys need to make a living and if they don't have a choice as sometimes happens, they just make their money as we all have to do, be it Colaiutia, Stubenhuas or M. Fisher. I can't believe someone said Neil plays "nice" walking bass. Yeah, right... Neil is just a nice bass player??? I don't think Oneness knows these guys or the business-- he said money is secondary to the guys with musical integrity. Tell them that when they don't get a gig for a month or longer.
breatheasy9 1 year ago
@Oneness100 Your comments are excruciating. Upload your own video. Add something to the world instead of trying to take something away. Or are you satisfied being the cynic? Destructiveness is laziness. Creativity is truth, honesty, bravery. Who are you to put Kyle, Megadeath or Billy Ray down, much less Vinnie? They're brave. They create. I've heard of them, I've never heard of you.
zip91413 1 year ago
These guys are great.....
bcwdrums 2 years ago
vinnie is a balanced muso..a fuck off technical player with an amazing ear to play what the song needs..grooved technicality is what i call it ,as his dynamics are so effective they seem to blend with ease into the numerous compositons he's played on which is why he is in top demand...a comsumet professional without a doubt..thanks 4 the post!!
omly85 2 years ago 4
Jazz is not dead it just smells funny (FZ)
lapog5 2 years ago 5
MMMMmmmm, but Zappa's puerile "offensive" lyrics smell funny to me. They smell like adolescent boys smell. Uh, I imagine only.
Drblooter99 2 years ago
boys in a crew just waitin for u ...tan tana tan tana
lapog5 2 years ago 4
crew slut....
italiarovinata 2 years ago 2
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1luvdrums 2 years ago
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sonortubelug 2 years ago
Great playing by all involved......
bcwdrums 2 years ago 3
Maestro, maestro, maestro y maestro. Master, master, master and master.
francis865 2 years ago 6
Well, when it comes to certain performances, i think he does great, but I am not going to put him on the same level or higher than legendary masters like some people have/are doing. i just don't think it is warranted, I feel that some of his interpretations of classic fusion songs weren't that good and I think he is overrated and that's my take. Plenty of other players that deserve attention that don't get it that are much more original and worth checking out.
Oneness100 2 years ago
no neil peart is overrated. vinnie is a master. who doesn't get that respect? billy cobham, tony williams, al foster? they get thier respect. trust me.
drumfoomaster 2 years ago 4
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My cat, Ears, cat out drum this guy Vinnie.
Ears can hug his girlfriend Haw, with his back paw, while whipping off Double Trinkle Doodles with his right front claw.
See how the audience cheers Ears. See how the women love his drums & stunning backflips and purring and kitty whiskers.
Everyone votes for Vinnie to change careers and become a soup and sub sandwich chef at a Victorian-style Jamaican steak house & leave the real deal drums to Ears.
Don't be crazy. Ears is it. Real.
JoeJacari 2 years ago
Vincenzo is an Alien :), nice title, this guy is from another galaxy.
JhonMonsalve 2 years ago
Course Vinnie ANNIHILATES on this - but check out Landau. Goddayamn.
Scratch47 2 years ago
wow vinnie's really an alien... killer solo
brantan84 2 years ago
What is "better"? As a drummer for 34 years, I have found that there is no such thing. Different cats bring different skill sets to the table. You cannot compare Vinnie with say Papa Jo Jones.They come from two different eras. Different influences and surroundings. While you're debating who's better or worse, these guys are hanging out with each other and playing great gigs, around the world! Let the guitarists rank each other and cut each others heads. Eat it or throw it away.....
mrthundaboots 2 years ago 4
where can i find this DVD?? i have the album but it s not enough...
nantiadaisy 2 years ago
No ones better, just different... he's better at playing like him than anyone... Your better at playing like you...
Anything else is subjective... once you pass the age of ten nothings better or worse, just different.
otherwise You end up a close minded asshole.
MCLaneous 2 years ago
esta de puta madre!! a colaiuta hay que hacerle un monumento, es un verdadero genio de la bateria
danymaine1 2 years ago
lol k garfield...........just leave the keytar on why dont you..........KILLLLLLLER STUFF
smorgan1809 2 years ago
oneness100 said: he keeps on flipping the groove and it gets frustrating to listen to. Its like saying I dont get, cause it frustrates him. he like plain playing without displacements, and maybe he doesnt even like or know much about polyrhythms. He might be a 'drummer' with 50 years of experience, but he has no right to talk like that about VInnie even if he has less years of experience, I bet Vinnie is a better musician than oneness is. u probably learn few suff in a long time
juanbarros88 2 years ago
Well, juanbarros88, I have been practicing playing a groove and adding an extra beat or triplet at any point without thinking, so I know how to displace grooves, it is just a matter of doing when it actually makes sense to do it, but that depends on the song. Trilok Gurtu rails on Vinnie with beat displacement, but he does it and it fits the song, IMO.
Oneness100 2 years ago
gretsch drums? i did try them for real.. there's something missing in their sound
cavoglavi 2 years ago
Perhaps your talent?
Vinnie could play on trash can lids , card board boxes and a sick mule, and still make better sounds then you on customized Ludwig's, Pearl's, Tama's, etc
panhead1219 2 years ago
you shouldn't be so sure, amigo.
cavoglavi 2 years ago
I am so very sure, you putz.
panhead1219 2 years ago
you don't sound that way. go get some drum lessons little.boy.
cavoglavi 2 years ago
What's missing is the gay sound you're looking for.
divinegrinder 2 years ago
look...everyobody knows gretsch is 40-or-over-years-old-drummer's choice...
cavoglavi 2 years ago
look.......everybody knows gretsch or yamaha is the good-drummer's choice
samm1809 2 years ago
well i play yamaha recording custom. thank you.
cavoglavi 2 years ago
yeah but why is gretsch bad? they get all their hardware from gibraltar and the drums sound great!!!!!!!!
samm1809 2 years ago
older gretsch great. newer gretsch not so hot......
sjg7173 2 years ago
@cavoglavi I play Gretsch USA Maple drums and I have had nothing but compliments on the sound. They are not as round sounding as say, birch drums or Yamaha, but do have that throaty drum sound that I love. Best sounding drums I've ever owned.
charlesh1 1 year ago
Wow Vinnie can really swing. I love hearing a drummer with master chops be able to swing sweetly and smoothly as well.
viper914 2 years ago
I hear ya, man. Irony is so hard to decipher when things are written, rather than spoken.
markmende 2 years ago
For what it's worth, Lars Ulrich can't hold a candle to this guy. That doesn't make Lars Ulrich a bad drummer. Vinnie is just the goods.
markmende 2 years ago 4
Markmende- I was being deeply ironic. Lars Ulrich is not even close to the top-league - a mere high-school drummer, where Vinnie is the absolut master- creatively and musically without any comparrison, technically only Weckl can match him at times.
kankeranker 2 years ago 2
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The drummer here is pretty good - nothing like Lars Ulrich though ...
kankeranker 2 years ago
what???????
Drumfusions 2 years ago
Dude why the fuck does Oneness100 comment on all of Vinnie's video's? I think he has a little man-crush going on. Oneness100 likes Mahivishnu so much huh? Well John McLaughlin apparently though Vinnie was good enough to hire him for a world tour. I just saw Vinnie and the 5 peace band in Denver and I can tell you that he fucking killed it with Chick Corea (Legend) John McLaughlin ( Legend) and the others in the band (soon to be legends).
NDiesel31 2 years ago 3
I've seen videos of Vinnie playing w/ McLaughlin and Corea. To me, Vinnie overplays in that group. Just my opinion. He doesn't allow the music to breath as much as Rajit.
Well, you just said it yourself, Vinnie isn't a legend. When Vinnie has "lengendary" recordings and when DownBeat honors Vinnie with an award, then I'll consider him a Legend, but that hasn't happened yet, Yet you guys think that his already Legendary, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I don't feel Vinnie is at Master Level.
Oneness100 2 years ago
Vinnie has won countless Best Of... awards in every Drum Magazines. Plays with all of the great players: Hancock, Corea, Beck, Sting, Zappa. Is one of the best schooled drummers as far as reading & technical ability. Played on more albums and jingles then probably any other drummer. Plays all different styles with ease. And you still don't consider him at a Master Level?
You my friend are either delusional, jealous, or a hater.
skinnymoo 2 years ago 31
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When it comes to playing fusion, NO, I don't think he is a master, because he hasn't recorded any classic recordings that I feel deserving of that kind of credit, I think he doesn't play that well when it comes to fusion, i think he tries too hard and it doesn't come out right. I've seen enough of the early fusion bands from the '70s and they just played that style of music with more credibility. Vinnie plays too many cliche licks when he plays fusion. I am just not impressed. Sorry.
Oneness100 2 years ago
@Oneness100
I know this was a while ago...but if you don't class Allan Holdsworth's album "Secrets" to be a "classic recording that you feel deserving of that kind of credit" then I don't know what fusion you listen to...
Colaiuta is a true genius
ricyarborough 1 year ago
@ricyarborough I've listened to the Secrets album many times. I personally didn't think it was as good as some people tout it to be. To me it was kind of boring. It almost sounded like the players weren't playing together as cohesively in terms of the melody lines. I am more old school fusion from MO, RTF, Weather Report and the off-shoots of those three bands. I did like Holdsworth with Tony Williams, I considered Holdsworth playing with Williams to be more classic playing.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100
Well...opinions can't be argued with...
I just found it strange how someone who claims to be a musician can't even appreciate the incredible achievements Vinnie has made for himself...
I mean...just look at the people he has played with!
Forget what music you're into, step back and you'll see how great vinnie is.
You don't have to be into his music to accept how great he is
ricyarborough 1 year ago
@ricyarborough Here's the deal and I have stated this from Day 1. Vinnie is a great drummer and can play various music styles, but I don't think he is at the same playing level in terms of originality with Jazz Fusion music as are the Masters like Cobham, Williams, White, etc. that have been there from the beginning. Vinnie is playing cops a lot of cliche chops that were orignated by others and many times it doesn't come off well, musically speaking.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 Nah man, Vinnie adds as much to the drumming lexicon as any of the guys from whom he cops licks. All of those guys cop licks from drummers before them too. What's great about Vinnie is he takes the body of knowledge he has and really uses it for his own purposes and musical expression. To say that he is behind any of those listed on a musical level for example originality is to me just plain wrong, even if it is an opinion. I mean Vinnie is just a ball of genius musical expression
HamerD 1 year ago
@HamerD Can you be specific on what recordings, specific grooves, fills on specific jazz/fusion recordings that have been considered at Master Level that were original?
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 Check out a CD by Allan Holdsworth called 'Secrets'
HamerD 1 year ago
@HamerD I've heard Secrets. It wasn't a that much of a classic recording. It might be one of Allan Holdsworth's better solo CDs, but I didn't hear much in the way of decent melody lines throughout the entire CD, it seemed just a bunch of technically good players playing chops and that's about it. I liked Allan Holdsworth with Tony William LIfetime, I think the songs were better and the players were playing the songs together rather than the indescriminant chops playing, which gets REAL old.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 Fine then, check out Vinnie playing with Jeff Beck recently. At the club in London is a really good one, you can see vids around. Also, him playing with Chick Corea and John Maclaughlin recently was amazing and some of the greatest fusion you'll see.
HamerD 1 year ago
@HamerD Sorry, I've seen Billy with Maha in 1973,Narada came closest, but still couldn't compare. The 5 Peace Band wasn't at the same level as Maha, or the Trio with Trilok. I am a HUGE fan of McLaughlin and Corea since 1973 and have seen both in that time period and that was the era of fusion. I just think McLaughlin does his best work with Cobham, Williams, Gurtu, Narada and Tony Smith. I just think they play better. Vinnie overplays IMO.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 Although you clearly have a valid opinion, I can't believe anyone here with an ounce of knowledge would dismiss your viewpoint, I don't really accept your point that Vinnie overplays. For me, fusion drumming should use Tony as the be all and end all example; and Vinnie is basically the closest man alive to Tony.
If you are going to judge him on how much he plays, then I guess I can't argue because he does put his drumming forward heavily in fusion playing (not in studio)
HamerD 1 year ago
@HamerD I've seen Jeff Beck on the original Blow by Blow tour, Wired tour, Jan Hammer Beck Tour, and the There and Back tour. Vinnie is trying to play the same songs. I just felt they were when Beck was at his finest and the bands subsequently played better together.. To me anything that is being done is just like a decent cover band backing Beck up. I noticed Beck is using Narada now. McLaughlin is back playing w/ Husband/Mondesir. Where's Vinnie?
Oneness100 1 year ago
You're a lucky guy then man! Vinnie playing with Jeff, with Tal Wilkenfeld back in 2008 is what I'm talking about. It's a great tour, I happened to catch one of the dates and if you can pick up the gig at Ronnie Scott's I'd advise. Clapton comes up and plays a couple of songs with him. So do Imogen Heap and Joss Stone.
But whatever, I think Vinnie's phrasing and unique, diverse approach to drumming is just the absolute top notch. Though I like all the other drummers you mention.
HamerD 1 year ago
@HamerD I've seen the videos and heard the Ronnie Scott's gig. Vinnie played a few of the songs with excellent playing, but some of the songs just didn't make it for me. Tal plays great, but if you see the bass player that is playing with Narada/Beck, the new bassist has more experience/more solid groove. Tal is still a very young player, but does have skill. Nothing compares to Jan Hammer or Max Middleton on keys..
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 You need to check out Randy Waldman's CD Unreel. There's also a book that goes with it by Mark Atkinson that breaks down the majority of his solos and transcriptions from the record.
ataraxia7nostalgia 1 year ago
@ataraxia7nostalgia That's fine, but I am not intested in analyzing Vinnie's solos by site reading them. I'd rather try to figure out Trilok Gurtu, he is WAY more intersting of a player in today's music scene, plus I still like to figure out what the original fusion master's have done as well as listening to other players that are unique. Paco Sery and other African drummer are more intersting for me to listen to and study.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@ataraxia7nostalgia And I am sure that if I did, I would actually see a lot of stuff that Tony Williams, Steve Gadd, Buddy Rich, Weckl, etc. and other older players did years before Vinnie.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@Oneness100 I'm not going to dismiss anyone's opinion but if you really truly breakdown and analyze Vinnie's playing and concepts you can see the difference in his playing compared to guys like Tony, Billy, etc. Vinnie's got a way of controlling his subdivisions on the pulse of a groove that he can basically shift his lines and phrases in a way to create new ideas and sounds. If Vinnie were a scientist he could split an atom and breakdown the number of particles in it without a microscope.
ataraxia7nostalgia 1 year ago
@ataraxia7nostalgia Your assessment of "If Vinnie were a scientist...." is total conjecture. With regards to what he does technically, doesn't really explain if what he is doing is actually musical with regards to what the SONG is. I've heard him do all of the technical things you are mentioning, but he IMO completely screws up the fundemental groove/steps over melody lines and the solist. I think he is much better suited to play pop-oriented songs that are well produced.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@ataraxia7nostalgia Vinnie would be better if he didn't overplay. He needs to play the freaking groove, play WITH the melody line and play with the solist. when he does that and relaxes in the process, he sounds better. I'd would rather listen to Herbie Hancock Man Child or Secrets albums and listen to some of the best funk/jazz drummers playing a feaking groove and sticking to it.
Oneness100 1 year ago
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Playing on jingles is commercial playing, plenty of guys have done that. There are plenty of guys that can read and have great technical ability. I prefer Manu Katche with Sting. I prefer the older Zappa from the 70's. I prefer Hancock w/Mike Clark, others, I prefer Chick w/Lenny White, I prefer Jeff Beck with Simon Phillips/Tony Smith/Bernard Purdie/Narada. Vinnie hasn't won any awards with Down Beat. I'm still waiting for that to happen.
Oneness100 2 years ago
Down Beat? Really? Who gives a crap about Down Beat?
Yes, it's a good Jaz rag that has been around for years, but come on. That is your standard for greatness?
I know this is all opinions and you have a right to your own. But here is an opinion from someone that has played with Viine for years. "He is the best drummer I have ever played with." Sting
skinnymoo 2 years ago 4
@skinnymoo I am not going to consider him a Master Fusion drummer. Get over it, I've seen countless fusion bands since the 70's and Vinnie couldn't hang playing with Mahavishnu, that was and still is THE best example of fusion. Vinnie would probably have a heart attack, piss in his pants and leave a trail of do do if he was asked to play with the original Mahavishnu and even try to reach Billy's level. Go listent to the Wolfgang's Vault recordings of old Mahavishnu concerts.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@skinnymoo WHAT CLASSIC RECORDINGS HAS VINNIE PLAYED ON WITH COREA, BECK, McLaughlin, Hancock? NONE. The recordings he played on weren't considered to be their best work. Sorry.... I am not the only one that feels this way. I can only listen to the stuff Vinnie played with these great players a few times whereas the older classic recordings I can always go back to and feel at home listening to people that aren't trying to show off or overplay.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@skinnymoo modern Drummer mag has gone downhill in the last couple of decades. They USED to promote more jazz and fusion related drummers and relied less on advertisements. Well, when Vinnie can come out and become successful as a solo artist, he is a sideman player trying to act like a solo artist. He should stick to playing more simple and playing WITH the song/other musicians rather than trying to play as much technical BS. That's my opinion and I am going to stick with it.
Oneness100 1 year ago
@skinnymoo Steve Gadd has played on more albums than any other drummer and is the most recorded of all time. Despite this i do agree with you, Vinnie is one of the best!!!
w9jon 1 year ago
@skinnymoo (one thing, Jealous people and haters are usually the same thing)
Guitareben 1 year ago
@skinnymoo Well actually i believe Bernard Purdie holds the record for most recorded drummer.. But i could be wrong, but your DEFFINATELY right, VINNIE is a MASTER of masters in the drumming world
elrojomuerto6x 1 year ago
@skinnymoo no, i see where he's coming from. obviously, he's wrong, but if you just skim the surface of artists and don't go into too much depth, you don't really see vinnie do as much pocket and groove stuff as say, zoro, bernard purdie or steve gadd, just sort crazy time signature stuff with karizma and jing chi. the kid just need to see some of his stuff with sting and chaka khan.
samm1809 1 year ago
@Oneness100 He MADE Sting's Ten Summoner's Tales sing. I've heard other drummers try to play with Sting and it seems flat compared to Vinnies playing.
charlesh1 1 year ago
@charlesh1 I know he made Sting's album. I think he did a great job. But that is a Adult Contemporary Pop album. It isn't a jazz/fusion album. He was also making the tracks so that STING liked what he did. But Manu Katche can do just a good of a job with Sting. Personally, I only like a few of the songs on the album that I can still listen to, some of the other songs on the album I got tired of listening to. Sting usually has a bunch of great songs with a few that aren't so great.
Oneness100 1 year ago
neil stubenhaus is great, but his bass is kinda ugly
sentient07 2 years ago
I'm so afraid!! He is not a human don't you seee? :)
smartintense 2 years ago 6
I think we are so lucky to have him with us. Avedis Zildjan once publicly said that he thought Vinnie was the best drummer in the world at the time. So did Mr. Remo (forgot his full name). Masters like Vinnie, they are as successfull and rich as they can get in this business. Corea, Hancock, Beck, Sting apparently love him. What should matter more to a professional musician than that when it comes to making a living?
He makes me wanna quit playing and sit in the audience for good, though (lol).
tatzang 2 years ago 3
VINNIE IS A MASTER.
Cmontermini 2 years ago
yes, indeed vinnie is great drummer, i've seen him playing live for several times. Steve Gadd and vinnie colaiuta have different kind of rhythm, and the way they play. You also need to take consideration of dave weckl, the late buddy rich and carlos vega, they are great drummers too, check it out guys. Oh and also look up when steve gadd, vinnie coaliuta, and dave weckl played together at buddy rich memorial.
reggy81 2 years ago
sorry to break it to everybody. Vinnie Colaiuta is the best drummer to have ever walked the planet. He's hired for more sessions than you'd ever imagine. No drummer can be that busy. Check his schedule for cutting Platinum albums on his site. IT"S SICK!
randylikesdrums 2 years ago 12
Gadd been busy since the '70s and his catalog is priceless.
Let's see some of Vinnie's more popular recordings. It's actually quite amusing.
Glen Campbell, Backstreet Boys, Kyle Eastwood, Billy Ray Cirus, Boyz 2 Men. Yeah, Vinnie has been on a lot of albums, but a lot of them went no where, some are more commercial pop and only a few that standout, but none are that notable as a classic recording. Sorry, I just don't see a big list of classic recordings in the jazz/fusion realm.
Oneness100 2 years ago
Have you heard Document? Live at Ronnie's with jefff beck? or you think that classical is whet is selling more?
bontbiq 2 years ago
Oneness...why am I not surprised with the selection of recordings YOU chose to highlight from the incredible amount of people Vinnie has played with?
Anything to get your agenda across as it concerns VC, right? Even if it is shortsighted.
You seem to be so hung up on titles. Besides jazz/fusion is an approach to music, nothing more. Thank God for diversity.
eddy71454 2 years ago 3
Titles are given by the industry. I don't make up the titles, it is just how the music industry describes different types of music. Just like being able to play a latin, funk, etc. Vinnie may be a great drummer, but I don't feel he has been on a classic recording in the genre commonly referred to as jazz/fusion. He may have played with many of the great artists, but I haven't heard a recording with him that I would listen to over and over and feel it was classic playing.
Oneness100 2 years ago
One thing that a lot of contemporary drummers miss the point on is that they seem to play to expose their massive amounts of chops, whereas the drummers from the '70's fusion era were playing more WITH the other band members and the song and it seemed much more cohesive. Sometimes Vinnie actually plays the song and doesn't put too much extra, sometimes he is just playing what someone else already did, or he's playing WAY too much and detracts from the actual song. It depends on the gig.
Oneness100 2 years ago
THANK GOD! Someone who totally, totally gets it! I have theories about why and how the players became better technicians and much, much less interesting musicians (e.g., the rise of rock and jazz curriculuum in music schools churning out proficient, if soulless robots) but don't find 2 many sympathetic ears on this score. My big problem w groove-meisters is their predictability. I mean, after a measure or two one totally gets it & they've nothing left to say that u can't see coming a mile off.
dantean 2 years ago 2
Master dr