If your were a die hard fan as you try to make yourself out to be you'd realized that Billy Corgan is a wrestling fan, has made appearances in ECW and endorsed his music being used for wrestling promos...the epic fail is your comment
Who Thinks That Sweet N sour vs ROH Should Be There Biggest Storyline right now??? IMO There Still Mid-Card-ish. They Need Chris HERO To Win The World Championship So The Sweet-N-Sour Will Fully reach Main Event Status.
WWE is garbage. I stopped watching it altogether after attending an ROH show a couple of years ago. I think most of the E fans are robots programmed by Uncle Vince to watch it no matter how crappy it gets. WWE marks hate TNA, but at least TNA won't waste your time with non-sense like diva searches, or midgets drawing holes on walls and crawling through them, or with long promos about direct-to-dvd movies that nobody will watch. ROH has fallen off since Joe, Colt, Homicide, etc. left. TNA is #1
lmao, no, TNA wastes your time by having Devon Dudley and Kip James in the main event. Storylines that make no fucking sense, I mean, if you wanna know just how shitty TNA is, watch their Christmas episodes. You'd be nuts to think TNA is better than the WWE. Stop ripping on the WWE, they've been very good in '08, plus this is an ROH video, don't hate on WWE because then it proves you watch it, since you don't watch it; it's very ignorant of you to criticize it.
Why can't people realize that the WWF has ALWAYS catered to dumb people and that they've just gotten older? Why can't people realize that it's all wrestling, just different styles and learn to appreciate each style. You can't watch WWE like you watch ROH, it's not the same thing, they each have different goals. That's like blaming a guy who steals second for not scoring, he wasn't even trying to. WWE doesn't give a fuck about Meltzer,they care about drawing, which they do better than anyone.
so, we now know tht there's a different between a wrestling fan and an indy fan..a wrestling fan watches wrestling and an indy fan watches indy wrestling and blams anything that isn't...let's remind you that Punk came from IWA-MS or something like that..but people are still "F**K WWE"..I say, watch it and shut up
It doesn't matter if they boo him, any reaction is a good reaction. Fact is, no matter what they say, if you go to a show and if you boo Cena, you are being worked. He wants you to make noise, if you boo him, then 5 kids will cheer him, and before you know it, the whole arena is in a frenzy, and guess what, he's done his job.
BLAH BLAH BLAH. shut the fuck up with Cena already seriously its gettting annoying i watch this expecting to see ROH related comments and i see SHIT! just stfu already
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funny thing is, the reason I started with the Cena stuff was because some ROHbot basically said "much better than that Cena shit" which basically proves that he's a bitter indy fan. Why indy fans can't just shut the fuck up about the WWE I don't know, but don't blame me, I'm just showing him how stupid it is to hate on the WWE.
This is ROH not the wwe. Talk about Cena helps the wwe. ROH is wrestling. The wwe is high school musical meets pokeman meets tickle me elmo meets The tellatubies.
You are so much of a ROHbot it's ridiculous. I love ROH,but I love wrestling.I'm smart enough to realize that WWE IS wrestling,it's just a different smile.Dunno about you,but I feel my intelligence is insulted more by the Briscoe's retarded ass no selling of a fucking spike than anything the WWE has done in the last 5 years.This is an ROH vid so tell all your ROHbot buddies to stop"THIS IZ TEH REALZ RASSLIN' WWE R FAKE!!"bullshit on every indy or ROH vid, it gets annoying and they sound bitter.
No it's not. Watch Kofi Kingston, watch John Cena. They're creative, just not in their movesetts. Wrestling isn't about how many moves you can cram. Dunno about you, but I was offended when the Briscoes no sold the spike, insulted my intelligence.
Also, why can't you appreciate both styles? I love ROH, I've talked to Cary, Kyle Durden, Pearce, Sugarfoot, a lot of guys I've helped take the ring and set down before, I just love wrestling in general and which more people were open minded.
ROH is Art. Art is in everything music, movies and all walks of entertainment. The wwe has no art. It's all about making the kids happy. It's bubblegum and comic books. There should not be 100% seriousness in wrestling but to do a reverse of that makes for the wwe to look like as it does the party a kid has where there are clowns and ponies. That is how I see the wwe. And people think that is pro wrestling. When it is Circus Wrestling.
You don't think Cena working two very different types of fans is art? You don't think JBL's promos are art? You're so close minded it's ridiculous. WWE is DEFINATELY more bout making money than being artsy. But I don't are, I get that.Here's my analogy, ROH is underground rock, probably technically more gifted,WWE is pop music, a lot of people hate it,but only because they're bitter. I love underground rock like Hurt, Ra, etc, but I appreciate what the pop ppl do coz I know that's hard too.
No that is not art that is more of less walking into a situation. And right now as much as I don't respect Cena as a wrestler the wwe would benifit if he became heel. They are too secure to think outside the box. And that is what happens to pop things they never change because people are afraid of change these days. I myself don't like some of the changes TNA has done but I respect the fact that they have the guts to do it.
TNA doesn't deserve any respect. They have taken the best roster and somehow managed to make the WORST product.
YOU need to think outside the box. Cena gets a better reaction by being cheesey. Writing "JBL is poopy" pisses adults the fuck off. It's so much better to get a mixed reaction because it's louder. WWE isn't in the wrestling business they're in the entertainment businessThey want to make money.There are more entertainment fans than wrestling fans,so they want a larger audience.
ROH has more action than WWE and TNA combined. I may of sounded like I was defending TNA, The fact is that ROH is a hell of alot better than TNA, TNA is too worried that as you meantioned fans are sick of actual wrestling so they are doing there best to go down the entertainment road the WWE goes down. Thank for hell that there is ROH, Hope they never go down that road as well.
Okay, that fits the niche though. Something I find funny is the "WWE insults my intelligence thing" when I watch ROH and my dad sees it, he can't stand the contrived sequences or phoney high flying stuff. So to him, his intelligence is insulted by the more gymnastics style. It's funny to me.
I love ROH, I hope they don't change their style because it's a different product, they're appealing to a niche as to where WWE is appealing to the masses. TNA they're appealing to.....autistic people
I would say ROH is first and in a very distant second TNA and in third is WWE. The WWE is more appealing to little kids. As if TNA was back to where they were in 2005 they would be great again. But ROH will and will always have both beat. Forget about who makes the money who has the special effects ROH is a million times better than both combined.
Dude, do u even watch the WWE? They've been real good this year. Also, "catering to kids" simply means not cussing, it's not like it's Barney. Y2J, JBL, HBK, those guy's stories aren't all that kiddie. I think you're just bashing WWE for the sake of bashing, it's been very good this year. TNA on the other hand, has been unwatchable, I don't see how anyone could even try to watch TNA. The matches are just a bunch of crisply hit moves with no emotion and their stories are fucking retarded.
Yes and ROH kicks it's ass. TNA has been starting to suck. But why defend the WWE on a ROH Channel?. I have been watching WWE and I think they are too dramatized and HBK is looking like a complete bitch to a lame wrestler JBL. HBK probably gets alot more money than JBL. Jeff Hardy as champion is a good thing,. Ecw is dead so Matt Hardy is not champion of anything. And Cena is way overrated.
So yes I do watch it. And I see people bashing other companies including ROH for the sakes of bashing it. Why praise the WWE in a place like this?. And it still is watered down.
WWE should be praised because of all the mindless bashing. Why is WWE seen as the enemy? It's stupid, it's all wrestling, just different types. Cena is underrated, Jeff Hardy is great, JBL is underrated.
WWE's "kiddy" stuff is simply black and white good vs bad and low blood and low cussing. It's not sesame street, it's a very good product if you open your mind. I mean, ROH has a shitload of flaws too, I just love wrestling/sports entertainment/lucha libre/puroresu.
Then praise them on their channel. The wwe does have it's own channel. This is ROH. Very different from the WWE. I just wanted to make a point that even in an ROH channel the WWE gets praised. ROH does not deserve that kind of disrespect. They are a great company,. Not the most popular, Not the richest not even close. But they are there own company. Just wanted to make a point that people need to stop praising the wwe in non wwe areas.
Okay, well if this is an ROH channel, tell the ROHbots to stop posting "WWE sux dis is da realz rasslin'" on EVERY indy video. That's all I was doing is showing them that WWE isn't that bad and making the point that this IS an ROH vid so they should talk about ROH, not bash WWE. I'm sick of it, it's annoying, and it makes them sound bitter as fuck.
Why are you here then?. I don't want to speak for the fans and not all are right not all are wrong, But we are sick of hearing about the WWE. And if they did not say anything about the WWE the WWE fans would come here and tell us how great the WWE is and why everything else sucks. I suppose it's the love of freedom from another company why people talk about why the WWE sucks, The WWE is a monopoly and we are sick of it being everywhere, But you do make a good point we do need to ignore the WWE.
ROH is sort of the modern ECW in that it's the biggest indy and it's booker (well, Gabe) is insanely overrated. ROH unlike ECW had/has a roster full of in ring talent to where ECW though it had a few guy who could go in the ring, was mostly tough guys that Heyman booked in matches where they could beat the shit out of each other.
Don't disgrace WCW by comparing it to TNA. WCW BEAT WWE for 84 weeks. TNA hasn't come close so no, TNA is closer too...an extended Wrestling Society X.
I know, I love the new direction. With Gabe it was all about who can do the coolest moves,which isn't wrestling at all. Gabe is a puro mark and a guy who booked to try and get Meltzer (who has seriously lost tough with wrestling) to give his shows good reviews.
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i think ROH is highly overated and that gabe wasnt the great booker everyone thought he was but some of the things that have been happening lastly have left me thinking WTF ?
- pushing tyler "flavor of the month" black
(after the 1st match with nigel this guy gets a super push ?)
- turning austin aries heel with no build up at all
- jacobs and aries teaming up after their fued ended just over a month ago
- the possibility of chris hero and go shiozaki not being in "steel cage war"
Tyler Black Is A Great Wrestler But He Doesnt Have The Full Package Of World Champion(unlike Bryan And Nigel And Jacobs) They Should Push Jimmy Jacobs instead Atleast. And Aries Was Great As A Face But When He Turned Heel To Side With Jacobs Its ??????IDK.
IMO Next Great ROH Stars To "Make It" Chris Hero, bryan Danielson, Briscoes, Steenerico, Nigel mcguinness, Jimmy Jacobs,Tyler Black = Mid-Carder, Erick Stevens, Austin Aries
@ldlcreamed Umm In my minds thats backwards because ROH will rarely ever have ladder match,tables match ect. But TNA does crazy shit alot and plus they actulay have people from ECW so yeah :P
@ImBillyMaysBYTCH ECW rarely had ladders or tables matches though. Heyman was usually smart enough to only book them when they made sense in a particular storyline, not just throw them out there so much that they lost all meaning.
ROH is a small promotion based out of Philadelphia with limited funds and is aimed at a "smart" audience. TNA is backed by a massive multi-million dollar corporation. Whatever the title of "the modern ECW" is worth these days, I'd say ROH has the best claim to it.
On a final note, Nigel McGuinness said that Cena was one of the best guys in the world as did Kurt Angle, those guys know more than you or me, however, they agree with me. You are wrong, you can personally hate Cena, but you can't deny that he's good at what he does just like no matter how much I fucking hate Tyler Black for ripping Styles moveset and having no charisma or storytelling ability and his good matches being against BD and NG (big whoop), he's getting over and deserves a push.
See, if you do the most amazing complex move in the history of wrestling, but the fans don't give a shit about it, you fail. Different styles get over in different places, the best wrestlers know how to read their audience, it's called context. That's what Cena gets, his technique and moveset could suck, but if a guy is over, he's doing his job and is thus, a good pro WRESTLER. He may not be a good TECHNICAL wrestler, but then again, neither are the spike no selling briscoes.
right because we invented war. Germany never did anything. Armenia wasn't massacred. Iraq never made their people into human shields. The French didn't invent public excuation. The towers are still standing. We're a violent people, but this world was violent long before we became a country.
yes but USA is violent at all (not only wars) ! .. wrestling is stupid primitive entertainment for simple american violent people! I am from czech rep (europe - just to be sure) and something like wrestling isnt there because we arent so primitive to watch two people in arena like animals in zoo !
Cena has been wrestling for a good few years now, but he still wrestles as if he's green. The guy can't even lock in an "STFU" properly. Perhaps WWE's limit of moves policy and the money he recieves have made him lazy.
yea, because guys who are green can work a crowd like Cena. You are a dumbfuck you know that. You don't know diddly shit about wrestling. It's not about cool moves or even being realistic, it's simply about getting a reaction and drawing. I don't give a fuck how many stars Meltzer gives a match, without a hot crowd, the match fails. There isn't just one way to be a good wrestler you know? Cena is a master at psychology, the ROH style wouldn't get over in the WWE.
LOL Sure look at One Night Stand. Cena didn't even need to do anything, yet he still got boos and jeers because they just didn't want to see him there.
so let me get this straight. Your proof that Cena can't wrestle is that a unique crowd to WWE (the ECW crowd, they don't normally perform in front of smarky crowds) at a show 2 years ago against a guy who was mega over in front of that crowd? So not only do you not understand wrestling, but you don't understand what constitutes as good evidence either.
Look, pro wrestling is simply about drawing and getting a reaction, there are many ways to do this and none of them are wrong or better.
Erm, I'm pretty sure even if Cena was in a match with almost anyone he'd still get boos. He even gets boos at WWE shows, what does that not tell you? The only people at WWE shows that cheer Cena are either casual fans or simply just kids. At that ECW show it proved he wont and cant get over with a crowd who actually appreciate in-ring ability. I don't hate Cena, I just don't appreciate a guy who can't do more than 5 or 6 moves and about 80 punches in a match. It gets tiring after a while.
Who gives a FUCK how many moves a guy does. That means nothing, Cena can get more of a reaction from a punch than Teddy Hart can get with a moonsault. It's NOT REAL, how many moves you do doesn't mean a damn thing. The "only" people are casual fans and kids, well, that's their audience, so I guess he's doing his job. You don't understand wrestling at all, in the WWE (he wouldn't be over in Japan) but in WWE, Cena is very good because he understands his audience.
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ROH would be on the next level if they had jack evans again and Matt Sydal too except ROH is for amutar wrestler that why Jack Evans probely diseared for Ring OF Honor becauase he is a pro and all-star at the wrestling industries and he needs harder chaellages and to explore other compies.
ROH aren't booking Evans because he's moved to Mexico for AAA and it'd cost them more to fly him into shows than it did previously. There's nothing stopping them using him in the future though.
I doubt Evans would make a difference to ROH reaching the "next level" anyway. The only thing that would do that is a regular TV show which, thankfully, ROH seems to be keen to avoid.
ok I hate this Bickering all these People should be happy ROH lent there Footage because normally it means the Video would get Stripped. the Wrestling Fans aren't Complaining and if you attucally took the time to watch ROH TNA or even WWE and then listen to what a they say... you can see why we like it. Its a Wrestling Music Video with good Music
the only reason I could watch wrestling is actually the fact it's a Smashing Pumpkins' video offer and has their music onto.Can't escape anything Billy Corgan creates. I love it WHOLLY packaged, and don't care anybody's opinion on that. Smashing Pumpkins are something of the very, very best ever happened to music. Period.
screw you guy's that say this video is crap just because the back drop is wrestling!!! As far as video's go for ROH (the single best wrestling company in the world) this is a masterpiece
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I'm not a HUGE fan of Corgan or his band (prefer Radiohead - my favorite band), but this doesn't seem... 'right' to me. A wrestling video? I thought the Smashing Pumpkins were cooler and more mature than this.
Have you watched the match between Aries/Danielson at Testing the Limits in august 2004.They fought for 76 minutes a wrestling masterpiece.Buy the DVD great show.
sorry about the double post, on the way, thought maby meet up have dinner or somthing and get really hyped about the show, or if ya needed a ride. i want to i dont no if i can make the Monreal, all depends on my car and my job. I would do up chicago to, but i can't fly not close to enough money, and the drive would be to much for my car. enjoy the show though. and maby see ya in toronto.
But for the Chicago show I will arrive by plane from Japan only couples hours before the show start(if everything goes smooth with the travel ).As far for Toronto I like that very much.
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a good song
a HORRIBLE vid. SP should be ashamed of this, they have made some good clips in the past. but this is just lazy. how dare they throw out this filth and destroy a good song
- Uhm wrestling.. Many people say they hate watching this and call it ''pathetic''. Well, be honest. Somewhere, Somehow, you LOVE watching these men do the stuff for you, so you don't have to.
And pre-planned outcome and stuff... If they didn't pre-plan this stuff this sport would be 10 times more lethal than it already is, something we all don't wan't ,aye?
Than we are two.I can't stand people who complaint and talk crap & shit about things they think they know.Me I'm just a wrestling fan period.I justed enjoy & respect what these athlete do in a wrestling ring.
To all who negatively posted on the wrestling content of said video:
Wrestling is not intended to be an actual competition, therefore it cannot be "fake". It is a predetermined outcomes and preplanned actions. Wrestling is actually an artistic expression of a athletic endeavor. It is a sport..but more similar to a dance routine, or pairs figure skating. It does hurt. But it is an exagerated fight.
Do you perchance like the rocky series of movies.lol
Wrestling is not intended to be an actual competition, therefore it cannot be "fake". It is a predetermined outcomes and preplanned actions. Wrestling is actually an artistic expression of a athletic endeavor. It is a sport..but more similar to a dance routine, or pairs figure skating.
I don't see how. If millions of people world wide enjoy it, how can it be pointless. I guess anything that isn't deemed as "real" must be pointless, so movies are pointless, books are pointless, etc.
No one watches it to see who is the "stronger wrestler". We watch it because (ideally) the characters have been built up to a point where the audience cares about them and wants to see what happens to them.
Done properly the result of a match doesn't actually matter as both characters can come out of it more popular.
Basically, it's the same reason people buy books or watch films. The endings of both are already predetermined but are still fun.
where was billy in these fight? Lol
corgan59 1 year ago
This video sure does kick some ass.
diemondcutter 1 year ago
Apparently only men like The smashing Pumpkins. Good going guy!
nicholsjoshua15 1 year ago
Nice!
BRProductionsBR 2 years ago
"WOW' ! "EXCELLENT" ! ! ! =oO
tornmask 2 years ago
This is a good song foreal.
Oriedo 2 years ago 3
Much like Chris Hero...That was awesome.
thwjustin3 2 years ago
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3PIC FUCKIN FAIL! DONT DO THE SMASHING PUMPKINS LIKE THAT!
gay dudes prancing about in their underwear doing fake wrestle moves. take this shit off the fuckin internet!
stonerkid42o 2 years ago
If your were a die hard fan as you try to make yourself out to be you'd realized that Billy Corgan is a wrestling fan, has made appearances in ECW and endorsed his music being used for wrestling promos...the epic fail is your comment
seanthomxx 2 years ago 3
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whatever dude. werestiling is for fucking faggots.
stonerkid42o 2 years ago
Then billy corgan is a fag then
disturbedspike 2 years ago
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those are your words not mine.
stonerkid42o 2 years ago
Yea whatever dumbo
disturbedspike 2 years ago
if you don't like things that are fake then you mind as well not watch any tv or youtube.
Thewwekiller 2 years ago 6
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learn to spell dumbass.
stonerkid42o 2 years ago
ROH needs to come to basic cable so i can watch it
TNARules23 3 years ago 5
You and me both need to change our names and you need to spend money on ROH or torrent.
Anglefan12 2 years ago
you can watch their weekly show on ROHBrazil's channel if you aren't already.
Thewwekiller 2 years ago
pure title is coming back
rohwrestlingworld 3 years ago
Why? I never liked it. I mean with the conviluted rules and such. Unless they improve it, no buys.
MrBTY 2 years ago
Ring of Honor, real wrestling
killercarlos026 3 years ago 3
THIS IS REAL WRESTLING
rohwrestlingworld 3 years ago 3
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these guys arent wrestlers they are acrobats
UFC FTW!!!!!!!
crippleslayer 3 years ago
"AWESOME"!!!!!! =0O
tornmask 3 years ago
Who Thinks That Sweet N sour vs ROH Should Be There Biggest Storyline right now??? IMO There Still Mid-Card-ish. They Need Chris HERO To Win The World Championship So The Sweet-N-Sour Will Fully reach Main Event Status.
HCErik 3 years ago
I'll be seeing them in Coral Springs, FL next Friday. :-)
DragonDDT 3 years ago
why the hell was this flagged
switchfootdude224 3 years ago 7
WWE is garbage. I stopped watching it altogether after attending an ROH show a couple of years ago. I think most of the E fans are robots programmed by Uncle Vince to watch it no matter how crappy it gets. WWE marks hate TNA, but at least TNA won't waste your time with non-sense like diva searches, or midgets drawing holes on walls and crawling through them, or with long promos about direct-to-dvd movies that nobody will watch. ROH has fallen off since Joe, Colt, Homicide, etc. left. TNA is #1
larreelarr 3 years ago
lmao, no, TNA wastes your time by having Devon Dudley and Kip James in the main event. Storylines that make no fucking sense, I mean, if you wanna know just how shitty TNA is, watch their Christmas episodes. You'd be nuts to think TNA is better than the WWE. Stop ripping on the WWE, they've been very good in '08, plus this is an ROH video, don't hate on WWE because then it proves you watch it, since you don't watch it; it's very ignorant of you to criticize it.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
WWE sux dis is da realz rasslin
Newbobdole 3 years ago
Why can't people realize that the WWF has ALWAYS catered to dumb people and that they've just gotten older? Why can't people realize that it's all wrestling, just different styles and learn to appreciate each style. You can't watch WWE like you watch ROH, it's not the same thing, they each have different goals. That's like blaming a guy who steals second for not scoring, he wasn't even trying to. WWE doesn't give a fuck about Meltzer,they care about drawing, which they do better than anyone.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
Flagged for what?
Sick video by the way.
Shaggy6386 3 years ago
so, we now know tht there's a different between a wrestling fan and an indy fan..a wrestling fan watches wrestling and an indy fan watches indy wrestling and blams anything that isn't...let's remind you that Punk came from IWA-MS or something like that..but people are still "F**K WWE"..I say, watch it and shut up
KId2DaKrazx 3 years ago
Holy shit
inkheart449 3 years ago
Why is this video flagged?
tjtheplay 3 years ago
It doesn't matter if they boo him, any reaction is a good reaction. Fact is, no matter what they say, if you go to a show and if you boo Cena, you are being worked. He wants you to make noise, if you boo him, then 5 kids will cheer him, and before you know it, the whole arena is in a frenzy, and guess what, he's done his job.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
BLAH BLAH BLAH. shut the fuck up with Cena already seriously its gettting annoying i watch this expecting to see ROH related comments and i see SHIT! just stfu already
HomicideNotorious187 3 years ago
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funny thing is, the reason I started with the Cena stuff was because some ROHbot basically said "much better than that Cena shit" which basically proves that he's a bitter indy fan. Why indy fans can't just shut the fuck up about the WWE I don't know, but don't blame me, I'm just showing him how stupid it is to hate on the WWE.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
This is ROH not the wwe. Talk about Cena helps the wwe. ROH is wrestling. The wwe is high school musical meets pokeman meets tickle me elmo meets The tellatubies.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago 4
You are so much of a ROHbot it's ridiculous. I love ROH,but I love wrestling.I'm smart enough to realize that WWE IS wrestling,it's just a different smile.Dunno about you,but I feel my intelligence is insulted more by the Briscoe's retarded ass no selling of a fucking spike than anything the WWE has done in the last 5 years.This is an ROH vid so tell all your ROHbot buddies to stop"THIS IZ TEH REALZ RASSLIN' WWE R FAKE!!"bullshit on every indy or ROH vid, it gets annoying and they sound bitter.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
wwetard, So how is that?. The wwe has no creativity in the ring. It is bland and boring. Also watered down.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago
No it's not. Watch Kofi Kingston, watch John Cena. They're creative, just not in their movesetts. Wrestling isn't about how many moves you can cram. Dunno about you, but I was offended when the Briscoes no sold the spike, insulted my intelligence.
Also, why can't you appreciate both styles? I love ROH, I've talked to Cary, Kyle Durden, Pearce, Sugarfoot, a lot of guys I've helped take the ring and set down before, I just love wrestling in general and which more people were open minded.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
This is ROH wrestling not candy land.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago
O I forgot, Pro Wrestling iz seris bizness.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
ROH is Art. Art is in everything music, movies and all walks of entertainment. The wwe has no art. It's all about making the kids happy. It's bubblegum and comic books. There should not be 100% seriousness in wrestling but to do a reverse of that makes for the wwe to look like as it does the party a kid has where there are clowns and ponies. That is how I see the wwe. And people think that is pro wrestling. When it is Circus Wrestling.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago 2
You don't think Cena working two very different types of fans is art? You don't think JBL's promos are art? You're so close minded it's ridiculous. WWE is DEFINATELY more bout making money than being artsy. But I don't are, I get that.Here's my analogy, ROH is underground rock, probably technically more gifted,WWE is pop music, a lot of people hate it,but only because they're bitter. I love underground rock like Hurt, Ra, etc, but I appreciate what the pop ppl do coz I know that's hard too.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
No that is not art that is more of less walking into a situation. And right now as much as I don't respect Cena as a wrestler the wwe would benifit if he became heel. They are too secure to think outside the box. And that is what happens to pop things they never change because people are afraid of change these days. I myself don't like some of the changes TNA has done but I respect the fact that they have the guts to do it.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago
TNA doesn't deserve any respect. They have taken the best roster and somehow managed to make the WORST product.
YOU need to think outside the box. Cena gets a better reaction by being cheesey. Writing "JBL is poopy" pisses adults the fuck off. It's so much better to get a mixed reaction because it's louder. WWE isn't in the wrestling business they're in the entertainment businessThey want to make money.There are more entertainment fans than wrestling fans,so they want a larger audience.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
ROH has more action than WWE and TNA combined. I may of sounded like I was defending TNA, The fact is that ROH is a hell of alot better than TNA, TNA is too worried that as you meantioned fans are sick of actual wrestling so they are doing there best to go down the entertainment road the WWE goes down. Thank for hell that there is ROH, Hope they never go down that road as well.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago 2
Okay, that fits the niche though. Something I find funny is the "WWE insults my intelligence thing" when I watch ROH and my dad sees it, he can't stand the contrived sequences or phoney high flying stuff. So to him, his intelligence is insulted by the more gymnastics style. It's funny to me.
I love ROH, I hope they don't change their style because it's a different product, they're appealing to a niche as to where WWE is appealing to the masses. TNA they're appealing to.....autistic people
Anglefan12 3 years ago
I would say ROH is first and in a very distant second TNA and in third is WWE. The WWE is more appealing to little kids. As if TNA was back to where they were in 2005 they would be great again. But ROH will and will always have both beat. Forget about who makes the money who has the special effects ROH is a million times better than both combined.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago 3
Dude, do u even watch the WWE? They've been real good this year. Also, "catering to kids" simply means not cussing, it's not like it's Barney. Y2J, JBL, HBK, those guy's stories aren't all that kiddie. I think you're just bashing WWE for the sake of bashing, it's been very good this year. TNA on the other hand, has been unwatchable, I don't see how anyone could even try to watch TNA. The matches are just a bunch of crisply hit moves with no emotion and their stories are fucking retarded.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
Yes and ROH kicks it's ass. TNA has been starting to suck. But why defend the WWE on a ROH Channel?. I have been watching WWE and I think they are too dramatized and HBK is looking like a complete bitch to a lame wrestler JBL. HBK probably gets alot more money than JBL. Jeff Hardy as champion is a good thing,. Ecw is dead so Matt Hardy is not champion of anything. And Cena is way overrated.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago 4
So yes I do watch it. And I see people bashing other companies including ROH for the sakes of bashing it. Why praise the WWE in a place like this?. And it still is watered down.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago
WWE should be praised because of all the mindless bashing. Why is WWE seen as the enemy? It's stupid, it's all wrestling, just different types. Cena is underrated, Jeff Hardy is great, JBL is underrated.
WWE's "kiddy" stuff is simply black and white good vs bad and low blood and low cussing. It's not sesame street, it's a very good product if you open your mind. I mean, ROH has a shitload of flaws too, I just love wrestling/sports entertainment/lucha libre/puroresu.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
Then praise them on their channel. The wwe does have it's own channel. This is ROH. Very different from the WWE. I just wanted to make a point that even in an ROH channel the WWE gets praised. ROH does not deserve that kind of disrespect. They are a great company,. Not the most popular, Not the richest not even close. But they are there own company. Just wanted to make a point that people need to stop praising the wwe in non wwe areas.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago
Okay, well if this is an ROH channel, tell the ROHbots to stop posting "WWE sux dis is da realz rasslin'" on EVERY indy video. That's all I was doing is showing them that WWE isn't that bad and making the point that this IS an ROH vid so they should talk about ROH, not bash WWE. I'm sick of it, it's annoying, and it makes them sound bitter as fuck.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
Why are you here then?. I don't want to speak for the fans and not all are right not all are wrong, But we are sick of hearing about the WWE. And if they did not say anything about the WWE the WWE fans would come here and tell us how great the WWE is and why everything else sucks. I suppose it's the love of freedom from another company why people talk about why the WWE sucks, The WWE is a monopoly and we are sick of it being everywhere, But you do make a good point we do need to ignore the WWE.
EternalDeathSavior 3 years ago 3
tna is the modern wcw
early wcw was good later on sucked
same w/ tna
roh is the modern ecw in my eyes
ldlcreamed 3 years ago 10
ROH is sort of the modern ECW in that it's the biggest indy and it's booker (well, Gabe) is insanely overrated. ROH unlike ECW had/has a roster full of in ring talent to where ECW though it had a few guy who could go in the ring, was mostly tough guys that Heyman booked in matches where they could beat the shit out of each other.
Don't disgrace WCW by comparing it to TNA. WCW BEAT WWE for 84 weeks. TNA hasn't come close so no, TNA is closer too...an extended Wrestling Society X.
Anglefan12 3 years ago 3
Dude, Gabe isn't in ROH anymore. Adam Pierce is booking for ROH now
emeraldknight42 3 years ago 3
I know, I love the new direction. With Gabe it was all about who can do the coolest moves,which isn't wrestling at all. Gabe is a puro mark and a guy who booked to try and get Meltzer (who has seriously lost tough with wrestling) to give his shows good reviews.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
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i think ROH is highly overated and that gabe wasnt the great booker everyone thought he was but some of the things that have been happening lastly have left me thinking WTF ?
- pushing tyler "flavor of the month" black
(after the 1st match with nigel this guy gets a super push ?)
- turning austin aries heel with no build up at all
- jacobs and aries teaming up after their fued ended just over a month ago
- the possibility of chris hero and go shiozaki not being in "steel cage war"
muscleoutlaw 3 years ago
Turning Austin heel did have build up, watch the St. Louis show.
Jacobs and Aries teaming up is weird but this story was fucked when Gabe was booking Aries like a heel in the feud (winning all the goddamned time).
Chris Hero won't be in SCW because he's in Japan.
Gabe is overrated, he's a puro mark. His best years he had the best roster in the history of indy wrestling, he's like Phil Jackson basically.
Anglefan12 3 years ago 2
Yes Thats True.
Tyler Black Is A Great Wrestler But He Doesnt Have The Full Package Of World Champion(unlike Bryan And Nigel And Jacobs) They Should Push Jimmy Jacobs instead Atleast. And Aries Was Great As A Face But When He Turned Heel To Side With Jacobs Its ??????IDK.
IMO Next Great ROH Stars To "Make It" Chris Hero, bryan Danielson, Briscoes, Steenerico, Nigel mcguinness, Jimmy Jacobs,Tyler Black = Mid-Carder, Erick Stevens, Austin Aries
RoH Needs A Hero...Champion.
Chris Hero 4 Chamo
HCErik 3 years ago
@ldlcreamed Umm In my minds thats backwards because ROH will rarely ever have ladder match,tables match ect. But TNA does crazy shit alot and plus they actulay have people from ECW so yeah :P
ImBillyMaysBYTCH 1 year ago
@ImBillyMaysBYTCH ECW rarely had ladders or tables matches though. Heyman was usually smart enough to only book them when they made sense in a particular storyline, not just throw them out there so much that they lost all meaning.
ROH is a small promotion based out of Philadelphia with limited funds and is aimed at a "smart" audience. TNA is backed by a massive multi-million dollar corporation. Whatever the title of "the modern ECW" is worth these days, I'd say ROH has the best claim to it.
pepethekingprawn 1 year ago
On a final note, Nigel McGuinness said that Cena was one of the best guys in the world as did Kurt Angle, those guys know more than you or me, however, they agree with me. You are wrong, you can personally hate Cena, but you can't deny that he's good at what he does just like no matter how much I fucking hate Tyler Black for ripping Styles moveset and having no charisma or storytelling ability and his good matches being against BD and NG (big whoop), he's getting over and deserves a push.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
See, if you do the most amazing complex move in the history of wrestling, but the fans don't give a shit about it, you fail. Different styles get over in different places, the best wrestlers know how to read their audience, it's called context. That's what Cena gets, his technique and moveset could suck, but if a guy is over, he's doing his job and is thus, a good pro WRESTLER. He may not be a good TECHNICAL wrestler, but then again, neither are the spike no selling briscoes.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
Wrestling is a silly entertainment for american primitives.. USA is a stupid country with stupid violent people ! ! (iraq, vietnam, hiroshima..)
NecumNaTo 3 years ago
right because we invented war. Germany never did anything. Armenia wasn't massacred. Iraq never made their people into human shields. The French didn't invent public excuation. The towers are still standing. We're a violent people, but this world was violent long before we became a country.
Amposion 3 years ago
yes but USA is violent at all (not only wars) ! .. wrestling is stupid primitive entertainment for simple american violent people! I am from czech rep (europe - just to be sure) and something like wrestling isnt there because we arent so primitive to watch two people in arena like animals in zoo !
NecumNaTo 3 years ago
no you don't have it because you guy's are all wimps, seriously everyone knows your still russia's bitch.
hooknshoot45 3 years ago
i'm talking to czech republic boy of course
hooknshoot45 3 years ago
Pro wrestling more or less originated in the UK at carnivals, retard
sittingduhk 3 years ago
actually it was in the US, but yea wrestling is cool. It's one of the hardest forms of entertainment there is.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
This video ans song is fucking cool!
Rock and wrestling 4ever.
erfaina222 3 years ago 2
I love this video. ROH ROH ROH ROH!!!
Thewwekiller 3 years ago
theres the bloody foreheads and thats about it. Still one of the best videos with smashing pumpkins, wrestling, and well thats it.
Amposion 3 years ago 3
why was this flagged, theres nothing offenive in it
supremeDestro 3 years ago 3
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ROH needs more fresh talent. They should sign John Cena
MoriGarcia 3 years ago
ROH can't sign John Cena and no offense to him, hard worker and all, he doesn't fit the ROH style of wrestling
czwrestler 3 years ago 5
I know, I wasn't being serious. ROH needs people who can actually wrestle and Cena doesn't fit the criteria.
MoriGarcia 3 years ago
he can wrestle fine but its a much different style of wrestling
czwrestler 3 years ago 2
Cena has been wrestling for a good few years now, but he still wrestles as if he's green. The guy can't even lock in an "STFU" properly. Perhaps WWE's limit of moves policy and the money he recieves have made him lazy.
MoriGarcia 3 years ago
yea, because guys who are green can work a crowd like Cena. You are a dumbfuck you know that. You don't know diddly shit about wrestling. It's not about cool moves or even being realistic, it's simply about getting a reaction and drawing. I don't give a fuck how many stars Meltzer gives a match, without a hot crowd, the match fails. There isn't just one way to be a good wrestler you know? Cena is a master at psychology, the ROH style wouldn't get over in the WWE.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
LOL Sure look at One Night Stand. Cena didn't even need to do anything, yet he still got boos and jeers because they just didn't want to see him there.
MoriGarcia 3 years ago
so let me get this straight. Your proof that Cena can't wrestle is that a unique crowd to WWE (the ECW crowd, they don't normally perform in front of smarky crowds) at a show 2 years ago against a guy who was mega over in front of that crowd? So not only do you not understand wrestling, but you don't understand what constitutes as good evidence either.
Look, pro wrestling is simply about drawing and getting a reaction, there are many ways to do this and none of them are wrong or better.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
Erm, I'm pretty sure even if Cena was in a match with almost anyone he'd still get boos. He even gets boos at WWE shows, what does that not tell you? The only people at WWE shows that cheer Cena are either casual fans or simply just kids. At that ECW show it proved he wont and cant get over with a crowd who actually appreciate in-ring ability. I don't hate Cena, I just don't appreciate a guy who can't do more than 5 or 6 moves and about 80 punches in a match. It gets tiring after a while.
MoriGarcia 3 years ago
Who gives a FUCK how many moves a guy does. That means nothing, Cena can get more of a reaction from a punch than Teddy Hart can get with a moonsault. It's NOT REAL, how many moves you do doesn't mean a damn thing. The "only" people are casual fans and kids, well, that's their audience, so I guess he's doing his job. You don't understand wrestling at all, in the WWE (he wouldn't be over in Japan) but in WWE, Cena is very good because he understands his audience.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
We'll agree to disagree then.
MoriGarcia 3 years ago
a1 fucking top pro wrestling czw aint bad either they also wrestle its not all hardcore same as roh they also do hardcore sometimes.
hambone9119 3 years ago
Words cannot even describe...
roadkill1012 3 years ago
my dream match is the brisco bros vs austin arie and bryan danllison
jeffhardeyfan5 3 years ago
3:13=a mark
iama619 3 years ago
ROH is a great promotion. I wish it had more tv time.
ppods 3 years ago
how could this vid may not be suitable for some users
jeffhardeyfan5 3 years ago
some people are extremley allergic to awsomeness
hooknshoot45 3 years ago
i fell bad for those people
jeffhardeyfan5 3 years ago
Holy crap, those are some nice moves! Never seen wrestling like that before. They're like flying and shit. Respect.
kaNrki 3 years ago 3
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i love wrestling but its 2 bad that you can c its fake hehe they are all stuntmen :P
bingokode182 3 years ago
If you gotta problem with it been a work. Going watch amateur wrestling. And then imagine what pro wrestling would look like if it was a shoot.
CIG1189 3 years ago
If God is a wrestling fan he would watch ROH and burn TNA.
dietfreeman42718 3 years ago 5
if god was a wrestling fan vince mcmahon would have realy been killed in his limo exsplotion
waveofthefuture819 3 years ago 3
if god was a wrestling fan, vince russo would have never been born.
hellofaname 3 years ago
That was not only stupid but impious as well.
CesarManiaX 3 years ago
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ROH would be on the next level if they had jack evans again and Matt Sydal too except ROH is for amutar wrestler that why Jack Evans probely diseared for Ring OF Honor becauase he is a pro and all-star at the wrestling industries and he needs harder chaellages and to explore other compies.
JohnMctossy 3 years ago
That doesn't make sense.
ROH aren't booking Evans because he's moved to Mexico for AAA and it'd cost them more to fly him into shows than it did previously. There's nothing stopping them using him in the future though.
I doubt Evans would make a difference to ROH reaching the "next level" anyway. The only thing that would do that is a regular TV show which, thankfully, ROH seems to be keen to avoid.
pepethekingprawn 3 years ago 2
ok I hate this Bickering all these People should be happy ROH lent there Footage because normally it means the Video would get Stripped. the Wrestling Fans aren't Complaining and if you attucally took the time to watch ROH TNA or even WWE and then listen to what a they say... you can see why we like it. Its a Wrestling Music Video with good Music
Wolfman11208 3 years ago
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The wrestling cheapens the song, period.
Lienssiss 3 years ago
i love this
fcwbaker 3 years ago 2
Brutal. :O
JobbagyParaszt 3 years ago 2
the only reason I could watch wrestling is actually the fact it's a Smashing Pumpkins' video offer and has their music onto.Can't escape anything Billy Corgan creates. I love it WHOLLY packaged, and don't care anybody's opinion on that. Smashing Pumpkins are something of the very, very best ever happened to music. Period.
ZairaAmaterasu 3 years ago
screw you guy's that say this video is crap just because the back drop is wrestling!!! As far as video's go for ROH (the single best wrestling company in the world) this is a masterpiece
hooknshoot45 3 years ago
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I'm not a HUGE fan of Corgan or his band (prefer Radiohead - my favorite band), but this doesn't seem... 'right' to me. A wrestling video? I thought the Smashing Pumpkins were cooler and more mature than this.
GunslingerXYZ 3 years ago
Billy Corgan is a huge wrestling fan and he let ROH use this song.
Rohbeatswwe 3 years ago 8
ROH was generous enough? The Pumpkins were generous enough to LET ROH use this song
BCFILMSINC 3 years ago
what song
JimbChoa 3 years ago
Awesome song!!!! First heard it in the movie Transformers. Had to immediately find out more about it and get the mp3. Pumpkins still F*n rock!
spazir 3 years ago
00:58 LOL IGOT UNO VICEVERSA
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zurka07 3 years ago
ROH is good stuff, however this video doesn't show the 30 minute matches that usually leave you ready to sleep
WonderBoy673 3 years ago
Have you watched the match between Aries/Danielson at Testing the Limits in august 2004.They fought for 76 minutes a wrestling masterpiece.Buy the DVD great show.
ROH4ever 3 years ago
I'm not a fan of long matches UNLESS they are actually good. Aries/Danielson I would expect nothing less than that.
I bought the Take No Prisoners PPV and their match their was amazing, and I feel I could've watched them for another 30 miunutes.
I'll have to check it out.
WonderBoy673 3 years ago
You should also check thier match at Honor Nation in 2007.Simply awesome
ROH4ever 3 years ago
Their match at Chaos at the Cow Palace was solid but nothing special.
CMTOM 3 years ago
I didn't see that one
ROH4ever 3 years ago
Just saying, if you're thinking of buying the Dvd for just that match, its not as special. Nigel/Jay Briscoe was solid stuff though. Pretty good.
CMTOM 3 years ago
Ok. Thanks for review.I will bought it
in my next shipment of ROH DVD
ROH4ever 3 years ago
wow really good job.
Roh is comng to canada and i got 2 second row seats.
masterj22 3 years ago
Awesome.I'm going too.
ROH4ever 3 years ago
Where are you leaving from???
ROH4ever 3 years ago
Orangeville on,
you close?
masterj22 3 years ago
I Have no idea where it is.I will leave from Quebec City.Will you go to their debut show
in Montreal in November.I'll go there no chance I'm missing that.My next ROH show will be in Chicago on June 28 for Vendetta 2
ROH4ever 3 years ago
sorry about the double post, on the way, thought maby meet up have dinner or somthing and get really hyped about the show, or if ya needed a ride. i want to i dont no if i can make the Monreal, all depends on my car and my job. I would do up chicago to, but i can't fly not close to enough money, and the drive would be to much for my car. enjoy the show though. and maby see ya in toronto.
masterj22 3 years ago
Normaly I always drive to see ROH live.
But for the Chicago show I will arrive by plane from Japan only couples hours before the show start(if everything goes smooth with the travel ).As far for Toronto I like that very much.
ROH4ever 3 years ago
Orangeville on canada, you close, or on the way?
masterj22 3 years ago
On the way where????????????
ROH4ever 3 years ago
This is no official video, read the info. It is good to read once in a while.
maakkupaax 3 years ago
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a good song
a HORRIBLE vid. SP should be ashamed of this, they have made some good clips in the past. but this is just lazy. how dare they throw out this filth and destroy a good song
helgatridr 3 years ago
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horrible video WTF..........................
Don't get me wrong I have been a big fan of this band since I heard the song ZERO but this was just bad I like the video uploaded by corbettreport
oppstube 3 years ago
i bought ROH's Rising Above PPV on DVD and i thats probably the best Wrestling ive seen in a long time,ROH just got a new fan ROH is the Shit.
disturbedspike 3 years ago
Not enough Women of Honor footage
ROH4ever 3 years ago
- Uhm wrestling.. Many people say they hate watching this and call it ''pathetic''. Well, be honest. Somewhere, Somehow, you LOVE watching these men do the stuff for you, so you don't have to.
And pre-planned outcome and stuff... If they didn't pre-plan this stuff this sport would be 10 times more lethal than it already is, something we all don't wan't ,aye?
lucifertje666 3 years ago 5
Finnaly... Someone who seems to know what he is talking about.
ROH4ever 3 years ago
Heheh, not really, Just watch it sometimes when I like to, just can't stand people who whine about stuff like this.
But thx for the reply man ^^
lucifertje666 3 years ago
Than we are two.I can't stand people who complaint and talk crap & shit about things they think they know.Me I'm just a wrestling fan period.I justed enjoy & respect what these athlete do in a wrestling ring.
ROH4ever 3 years ago
best ROH video ever
5150MilitantThug 3 years ago 4
I might have to agree with you.But why ROH didn't upload this video???
ROH4ever 3 years ago
Because technically it is a Smashing Pumpkins video that uses ROH footage.
WaywardBrigand 3 years ago
Thanks for the info.
ROH4ever 3 years ago
Yep, no problem.
WaywardBrigand 3 years ago
00:14-00:16 FREAKING CRAZY
miniben8 3 years ago
I'm the 54,000 to see this video
Who cares
ROH4ever 3 years ago
I can't believe TNA has a TV show and ROH doesn't. As Mick Foley put it, "it's a crime against nature".
harrylovesviolence 3 years ago
wow something i hate and something i love...
pumpkins rule!
projectptube 3 years ago
ROH the best wrestling in the entire world
that's why I watch
ROH4ever 3 years ago
To all who negatively posted on the wrestling content of said video:
Wrestling is not intended to be an actual competition, therefore it cannot be "fake". It is a predetermined outcomes and preplanned actions. Wrestling is actually an artistic expression of a athletic endeavor. It is a sport..but more similar to a dance routine, or pairs figure skating. It does hurt. But it is an exagerated fight.
Do you perchance like the rocky series of movies.lol
kccovey 3 years ago 3
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to all wrestling fans you are sad people seriously why would you watch fake shit its so pathetic
ToxicatedLum 3 years ago
Wrestling is not intended to be an actual competition, therefore it cannot be "fake". It is a predetermined outcomes and preplanned actions. Wrestling is actually an artistic expression of a athletic endeavor. It is a sport..but more similar to a dance routine, or pairs figure skating.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago 6
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= its still pointless
ToxicatedLum 3 years ago
I don't see how. If millions of people world wide enjoy it, how can it be pointless. I guess anything that isn't deemed as "real" must be pointless, so movies are pointless, books are pointless, etc.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago 4
becuase people watch it to see whos the stronger wrestler, yet every game has a fixed outcome before it begins that why
ToxicatedLum 3 years ago
You're missing the point somewhat.
No one watches it to see who is the "stronger wrestler". We watch it because (ideally) the characters have been built up to a point where the audience cares about them and wants to see what happens to them.
Done properly the result of a match doesn't actually matter as both characters can come out of it more popular.
Basically, it's the same reason people buy books or watch films. The endings of both are already predetermined but are still fun.
pepethekingprawn 3 years ago 4
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i are rather sick of films like that
ToxicatedLum 3 years ago
well put my friend.
chriskosolowsky 3 years ago
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Great band, terrible sport...
offhand632 3 years ago
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yeah i am ashmed
ToxicatedLum 3 years ago
best damn roh tribute 5/5
tko929 3 years ago 3