If someone could make this clear to me it would be helpfull i am trying to understand atheist morality better.
Altruism to me doesn't answer the main question, which is WHY and HOW did animal groups make laws that are made for the better good? Is it only for means of survival? In this case wouldn't it be true that we should kill off the really old who do not benifit society? as well as killing the serverly disabled? Why not kill them in this case? But this is why i am asking please email me.
Ayn Rand was quite right. You can help others, but it's not altruistic if you want to help others. Than it's intrinsically selfish, which is okay. Altruism has an element of bondage to it.
no u miss her point. ayn rand was not promoting altrusim. in fact she argued against altruism & intrinsicists. The only real moral is to be truly selfish in other words to care about one's own self in a logical & reasonable fashion
@swu880 I know. What I mean is she is arguing if you want to help people, that's fine, but you shouldn't be forced to help people. It's the difference between charity and welfare. She was not against charity. She was against welfare.
"What is the greatest lie ever created, what is the most viscious obscenity ever perpatrated on mankind? Slavery? The Holocaust? Dictatorship? No. It's the tool with which all that wickedness is built- Altruism." - Andrew Ryan, BioShock
What is tthe greatest lie it is that we do everything for ourselves, this lie has brought on the downfall of civilizations caused the deaths of millions, and the explotation many more.
"Whenever anyone wants others to do their work they call upon their Altruism. 'Never mind your own needs,' they say, 'Think of the needs of... of whoever. Of the state. Of the poor. Of the Army, of the King. Of God.' The list goes on and on. How many catastrophes were launched with the words 'Think of yourself?' It's the king and country crowd who light the torch of destruction."
Altruism pisses me off. I love Andrew Ryan, shame he died, he was freaking ownage. Designers of Bioshock should be in the parliament instead of those old dumbasses.
I hope you understand that the death of Andrew Ryan in Bioshock represents the rejection of his philosophy by the creators of the game...similarly the fallen state of Rapture shows the inability of a society built on those ideals to survive.
I think you are confused about the definitions of altruism and objectivism. When you exploit others you call upon that persons altruism. They put your needs in front of their own. If they went on objectivism themselves, they could not be exploited.
Prof. Ervin Laszlo talks about relating altruistically to all people like we are one family, and that through such a change in relationships, we can build a new, altruistic civilization. A wonderful video!!
I'm seeing just under a minute of this, so I really don't know: When he talks about lesser evolved people, is he referring to race?
CornerTalker 4 months ago
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If someone could make this clear to me it would be helpfull i am trying to understand atheist morality better.
Altruism to me doesn't answer the main question, which is WHY and HOW did animal groups make laws that are made for the better good? Is it only for means of survival? In this case wouldn't it be true that we should kill off the really old who do not benifit society? as well as killing the serverly disabled? Why not kill them in this case? But this is why i am asking please email me.
Tank94Mage 8 months ago
uh- altruism is the greatest source of the greatest evils
swu880 1 year ago
Ayn Rand was quite right. You can help others, but it's not altruistic if you want to help others. Than it's intrinsically selfish, which is okay. Altruism has an element of bondage to it.
Nodrog666 2 years ago
@Nodrog666
no u miss her point. ayn rand was not promoting altrusim. in fact she argued against altruism & intrinsicists. The only real moral is to be truly selfish in other words to care about one's own self in a logical & reasonable fashion
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 I know. What I mean is she is arguing if you want to help people, that's fine, but you shouldn't be forced to help people. It's the difference between charity and welfare. She was not against charity. She was against welfare.
Nodrog666 1 year ago
@Nodrog666
eh- o. your post was sort of awkwardly worded so i didnt quite get your gist. sorry
but i agree with your reply
swu880 1 year ago
superb!
excellent!
grandiose!
magnificent!
fingtyin 2 years ago
"What is the greatest lie ever created, what is the most viscious obscenity ever perpatrated on mankind? Slavery? The Holocaust? Dictatorship? No. It's the tool with which all that wickedness is built- Altruism." - Andrew Ryan, BioShock
Platinum5010 4 years ago 6
What is tthe greatest lie it is that we do everything for ourselves, this lie has brought on the downfall of civilizations caused the deaths of millions, and the explotation many more.
deligthelf 4 years ago
"Whenever anyone wants others to do their work they call upon their Altruism. 'Never mind your own needs,' they say, 'Think of the needs of... of whoever. Of the state. Of the poor. Of the Army, of the King. Of God.' The list goes on and on. How many catastrophes were launched with the words 'Think of yourself?' It's the king and country crowd who light the torch of destruction."
DraconianIL 4 years ago 6
Altruism pisses me off. I love Andrew Ryan, shame he died, he was freaking ownage. Designers of Bioshock should be in the parliament instead of those old dumbasses.
Pumpkinator08 4 years ago 2
I hope you understand that the death of Andrew Ryan in Bioshock represents the rejection of his philosophy by the creators of the game...similarly the fallen state of Rapture shows the inability of a society built on those ideals to survive.
Fortinbras85 4 years ago
I think you are confused about the definitions of altruism and objectivism. When you exploit others you call upon that persons altruism. They put your needs in front of their own. If they went on objectivism themselves, they could not be exploited.
07rensza 3 years ago
Altruism is the greatest lie.
Nemesis1216 4 years ago 3
Aye. I agree. Being selfish could also save the world if everyone took part...
Sledman87 3 years ago
@Nemesis1216
Agreed- hence why all real human beings are objectivists :)
swu880 1 year ago
He is confused about the definition of 'altruism'.
alciadanet 4 years ago
Prof. Ervin Laszlo talks about relating altruistically to all people like we are one family, and that through such a change in relationships, we can build a new, altruistic civilization. A wonderful video!!
wyominggal010 4 years ago
Professor Laszlo always so brilliant. Thanks for posting this wonderful video
jodesai 4 years ago