[HACK] Insane [with explanations]

[FrenchiKO]

Au passage remarquez que ça peut être aussi à cause de sousui qui cut aussi,la bleue à très bien pu locker sousui chez insane.

M'enfin encore du gros lag :/

[FrenchiKO]

J'ai remarqué dans le jeu que juste avant le pont quand on est 1er on peut passer un instant 2eme (j'ai remarqué ça en mondi et sur des vidéos),suffisant pour pas être lock par la bleue,je pensais qu'il hackait au départ,mais cet hypothèse est réelement la plus plausible.

Ajoutez à ça un bon lag de la part du joueur,voilà tout.

[Dragonparagon]

Fail. It's lag. Insane was lagging, thus he appeared behind of his real position, which was close / on the ramp. He also teleports afterward, a common effect of lag.

Suppose Insane DID hacked the BSD, what kind off code he used?

:|

[DashEmeth]

@Dragonparagon Did you read my theory and watch my three vids? I thing not. Nothing could proove that Insane was lagging, it's just your opinion, plus, an hacked mushroom to BSD match perfectly with time and screen. Look my other vids before giving a judgement.

[Dragonparagon]

@DashEmeth Ok, I will. Like you said, just giving my opinion. Do you happen to have any footage that shows Insane getting shocked, POWed ot hit? That might help us decide whenever he hacked mushrooms or not.

[MarlonKartWii]

Dash, you lost, get over it. Insane doesnt hack. He lags. I have the same problem. He was in the cannon already and then he got blued but he dodged because he was in the cannon. No hacks, lag. Now dont be such crybabies and move on.

[pascalassp]

Alala ils comprennent pas un mot de français ces types...

I said that the Funky who leave the map is completely disconnected (pc + wii +....). (Yellow Livebox dead ahah)

There is no lag.

[verkiand]

for me is only "Lag"

proof?

1:59 , one funky leave of the map.

he take a perfect golden

you do it wrong

0% lag :P

[verkiand]

for me, is only lag...

proof?

1:59 one funky leave of the map

and he take perfect golden

you do it wrong.

0% hack :P

[pascalassp]

On voit clairement qu'il n'y a pas de lag ici.

Il y a une disparition, c'est Yellow qui est complètement déconnecté après craquage de box.

L'hypothèse du hack est donc parfaitement justifiée.

[DashEmeth]

Exactement, Yellow à subit une déconnexion venant de lui même, il à d'ailleurs été déconnecté d'internet sur son pc, c'est sa box qui a merdé.

[Lexanis60]

M'okay, les ricains tous chaud pour hack, et s'ils osent dire que c'est du lag, c'est l'hôpital qui se fou de la charité, ils disent que les Fr lag, qu'ils se regardent :3

[RikuRacer]

Too bad since I can actually look at the video and see that your so called "proof" also proves Insane's inocense at 1:59 Insane is shown spinning out on the ramp with no blue shell explosion, mushrooms dont cancel blue shell explosions, It is clearly lag since the person recording the video could see Insane but no blue shell explosion. Unless there is a hack to completely destroy a blue shell, no hacks in the video. Thank you all for being stupid and not just watching the video

[DashEmeth]

The reason why we didn't see the BS explodes is simply that she explodes off of the screen, on the left. Watch the vieo more carefully, thank you.

[RikuRacer]

exactly thank you for proving my point even more that the room was laggy as shit that you can see Insane spinning where the blue shell didnt hit. =] I suggest a critical thinking class considering that if you seriously cannot put 1 and 2 together that blue shells in a laggy room dont mean shit and the fact your video shows its laggy then you seriously need to learn to process logic and situations that arent 1+1.

[AygoneXIV]

Therefore, if never that was really hack, he must be banned, nothing more, nothing less. Don't you think ?

Anyway, waiting for zone's vid, wich will settle everything.

Regards, peace.

[AygoneXIV]

Insane's lapdogs ?

No matter he hacked or not, his defence doesn't belong to you. (You can have your opinion however, true au false)

You know him ? Good for you, are you from those ppl who knew/knows Lunaire or Nvderdam too ? That would make sens.

Win or not, it has to be explain (of course vid would have been posted in any/both case, I assure you)

Dash accept defeat, as any clans, however they won't bear playing more hackers (an)other/next times in wcl.

[DashEmeth]

You are pathetic, Dash Team lost many games in 5 seasons of WCL, and we never post a fucking vid of probable cheat before this one, we allready accept defeat when it looks legit, so stop talking here for nothing and go make your miraculous vid, thank you.

[MrWoF1]

DASH , you guys lost get over it

[TH3TITAN360]

Couldn't agree with you more. The vid points out where DASH WANTS the blueshell to have been dodged. I have a feeling DASH will burn for this... wait for it ;)

[MagikTeam]

He can't dodge the blue shell,

Lag can't explain this situation, the BSD is before the cannon and after the end of the golden.

It's obvious hack.

[al2gaiden]

Insane is one of the best raced that i ever met, even dont even has necesity to hack. Lag happens all the time.

[tiporosso]

our videos to prove this shit is fake, coming soon

Also I know Insane irl so I know about his morals and values, just pointing that out, but of course that doesnt prove anything so, wait for the vids

[DashEmeth]

I don't affirme anything, the title of the vid is not "Insane = Cheat", i just expose you what happens, everyone could have his opinion, I'm really waiting for your vid and if it's a good proof, then i will apologize to Insane for that.

[TH3TITAN360]

In fact, the more I view your supposed "moment of truth" The more I doubt you. I cannot see where exactly the BS hit, except for when insane's head starts to spin on the mini map ( which is on the RAMP!)  The more I view it, it seems that you just picked a random spot and said... HERE. I think this is where it hit him.

[TH3TITAN360]

You get hit with a bullet and whatever. Suisui is right next to insane basically If the shell would have hit, it would have hit both of them, but it didn't and they both exited the ramp.

There is also a chance that it got cancelled out due to general lag. This happens when the shell can't choose who to hit. pR and UN. both studied into this phenomenon of using lag to your advantage. Its inconsistent because its random so we gave it up. It cannot be controlled or predicted consistently.

[TH3TITAN360]

If he hacks, then why does the mini map show him spinning out right when he is entering the ramp? wouldn't that be a reason why he still kept going? Just because your french lag fails, doesn't mean he hacks.

[Mikey7776]

@TH3TITAN360 Nah, infact idk what your talking about

[TH3TITAN360]

We will post proof on our clan thread. You can view it there.

@ Emeth. Stop trying to act innocent on all this. You and your clan did this because you LOST to The Zone. I'm pretty sure if you had won, none of this would have happened.

@majik Team: You are a moron. we didn't say he dodged the shell with a shroom. The mini map shows him already at the ramp when the shell hits. If you get hit right at or just before the ramp, the ramp will still carry you.

[DashEmeth]

Think what you want.

[RikuRacer]

faggots look at the iS Cool video if that is lag and not hacks same goes for this video. Stop being biased fucks and learn to apply your damn logic to two similar situations.

[Guilecounet]

Hm, j'ai une question, ce n'est pas possible qu'en fait' il ait eu la bleue dans le canon ?

Je veux dire, parfois je vois quelqu'un recevoir une bleue à un endroit et je le voix réapparaître 10 mètres en avant et redémarrer

[Guilecounet]

@Guilecounet Pour redémarrer*

[DashEmeth]

Le fait est que personne ne laguait durant le match, toutes les autres bleues on exposées au bon endroit, et personne ne se téléportait. Si il le faut vraiment, nus uploaderons une autre course et Jungle DK en entiere pour le prouver.

[0Killerganon]

GG pour le spottage, c'est la mode des BSD improbables :)

[DashEmeth]

I just show you what we saw with this vid, i give an hypothesis (proposed explanation for an observable phenomenon), i don't judge anyone, WCL Council will statuate on this case.

[BermudaRult]

when we watch insane on the minimap its actually looking like lag. additionly i can't follow and understand the explanations you showed..

[TH3TITAN360]

Because DASH TEAM run the WCL, they will probably get away with this. Shame we don't run the WCL, they we could heckle and sneak our way out of trouble like Rv did with Sunny...

Good job, faggits. Try crying somewhere else to someone who cares. Point is, he was too close to the cannon for you to simply rule it out as just hax. He could have been to the cannon on his screen before the BS hit him.

pS: Dash Team are pussies. Always have been, always will be. Cry more you faggits.

[DashEmeth]

Yes of course we are all pussies, your right.

Good behavior btw.

[miakx]

@TH3TITAN360 too close, you'd better have to buy gkasses...

[TH3TITAN360]

Point is, Nintendo servers suck ass. On Insane's screen it could have been different. I haven't spoken to him yet, but I know first hand that he is not a cheater. Point is, he was only 1 second's time away from the cannon.

conclusion, HE ACTUALLY COULD HAVE BEEN ON THE CANNON! If it was a bit farther back, yeah I might agree with you.. but he was already basically at the dodge ramp. Dash's gay little reinactment only shows the dodge point where they want you to see it. Sore losers are Sore

[miakx]

@TH3TITAN360 glasses

[tiporosso]

lol @ Ferraridickslut at saying that a host doesnt have to do with lag perse. The one who said that they didnt have a good host was Dash Guizben. We are going to prepare a video as well to show how bogus this shit is. @ Miakx, what else can we say if that's the truth, Puerto Rican's doesnt have the best connection either, in fact, most of the time you play in a latin WW, you see stuff worse than this. Remember, because something happens in 1 player's screen doesnt mean it happens in the others

[Nikodemo95]

Hack, I guess.

[simo95ctr]

HACK!

[miakx]

anyway, WCL staff members will statuate on this case :)

[FerrariSorry]

lol @ this dumbass puerto rican fag tipo thinking the host has anything to do with who lags or not.

fact is insane wasn't lagging

also, fact is if he was it's still hacks cause lag doesn't stall 6 seconds of time.

[tiporosso]

lol @ FerrariSorry, unarguable proof?, so I guess that when someone explodes a bomb car in MH it's hacking greens and when someoe falls in RR it levatating.

FerrariSorry= dicksucker of DT so you are biased too

The only faggot here is your racist ass-face bitch

[miakx]

@tiporosso weird that all proof fact that foreign team members afford are that its lag, have you another word in your mind? french clans are lagging but others don't?

AH OUAIIIS !!!!!!!!!!

[FerrariSorry]

Tipo = clan mate of Insane, so he's biased and his input is just out of desperation to try and squeeze another hacker through the accusation phase. Too bad this video is unarguable proof.

Faggot.

[TH3TITAN360]

Yay, I come on to skype, and what do I see? DASH TEAM accusing another clans of hax. Sorry, but you guys are pussies to the max. Insane is 10 times the man you french pussies will ever be. You should kill yourselves and start over; maybe you'll have some friends then.

Yer all lucky you're a full continent away from me... .. pussies.

[miakx]

@TH3TITAN360 What the hell are you doing in this discussion, shut up an go to your mom

[TH3TITAN360]

I've been around much longer than you have, chump. I've watched petty snobs pull dumb sh*t like this. Idiots from the WCL let Sunny go, after all the proof that was there. Stuff comes out different on other people's screens. Just because your garbage-ass French 56k wi fi blows ass and lags for you, doesn't mean he did this. I've known insane ever since I started. His morals and values as a person directly conflict with all your accusations.

[DashEmeth]

Say what you want, think what you want, but I no longer answer to your provocations.

[Mikey7776]

morals and values. I fcking lol'd. Titan, people can say and be and act however the hell they want, they are behind a god damn computer screen. So thats a pretty retarded thing to use as a comeback. This shows clear hacks, unless EXTREME lag was involved. This shows why Insane does so well in wars now doesnt it?

[TH3TITAN360]

Aren't you that queer who made all those fail clans, and cheated on your war record?

[tiporosso]

Also someone lagging doesnt mean re-appearing every 1 second, that's why sometimes someone pushes you with a mushroom even though you have triple reds, FAIL sc with the golden shroom for the explanation and the blue shell travelled like 10 seconds before it was gonna impact him so it's not like he had to run too far to dodge it with the cannon. You put a vid with about 3 people lagging and claim Insane wasnt lagging? him dissapearing is a new hack? just lol really

[tiporosso]

Wifi lag, happens all the time, specially with laggy host:

[3/21/2010 10:48:33 AM] Ben aka Gzou...: the pb is that we don't really have good host in our main lineup :hum:

In wifi sometimes the player is really a little bit further than it appears on the other players screen, he didnt dodged with the golden, he dodges with the ramp hence why you dont see the explotion. This is like saying when someone steals your spot at the end then it must be hacks? noo, in that player screen he probably wonLAG

[sylvano19100]

Don't put the blame on the host, Greed has a very good connection with 100Mo/s, this video shows he cheats, it's normal to protect one of your player but the proof is good.

[Mikey7776]

its hacks, unless it was EXTREME lag, highly unlikely though.. Goo job witht he explaning Emeth ;)

[Jes2750]

Pretty clear

[TWD98]

hackers are pathetic

[FerrariSorry]

100% hacks.

[Dark563]

if the golden stops after aproximately 7.5 seconds (rough estimate) there is no way to dodge the blue shell.

[syzygy271]

Thank you for all the explanations. Looks like hacks :|

[varocoke]

yes, is imposibol! is cheat D:

[syra76ssbm]

Based on where your golden stopped, no way he could make it to the cannon in time for a cannon dodge is what you're saying, right?

[DashEmeth]

No way to canon dodge, no way to golden dodge, no way to shroom dodge, at my opinion...

[miakx]

a golden mushroom used for the shortcut finish at the best case before the two wood pillars... he had dodged the blue shell between the pillars and the canon, it's impossible in nearly all case with a golden mushroom