promm6767... I've noticed that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is automatically bigoted as if you are the benchmark for what is true. It seems you cannot debate issues with someone unless you call them names
@woodsprout...You used the term "lost boys" in two different cases. Therefore, before I go on, I would like to know exactly what you meant when you referred to "lost boys".
Do you mean:
a) The cases in which certain young men(lost boys) have been expelled from their communities. or
b)The example you used showing that polygamy would disrupt the 1:1 male-female birth ratio, thereby depriving large numbers of men (lost boys) of the right to have mates.
Don't know how or why but ever since i was a small boy I've always believed that polygamy was right even when you study Holy Scriptures and /or history multiple wives have always been a way of life.... it is only modern society that frowns on this.... yet they nod their heads and say that homosexuality is OK. C'mon homosexuality is not OK any normal human being can tell you that it is not.
Polygamy is OK as long as women are OK with sharing their husbands and having to share their house with multiple kids and wives. THAT I'm OK with. What I'm NOT OK with is if fathers sexually abuse their daughters, who wish to not have any sexual relationship with them. If she's not, that is violating human rights. And human rights, in my opinion, is above the law or any religion known to humans.
I live in Brazil and here polygamy is ilegal. But I believe it's totally possible to be equally in love with more than one woman. I'm in love with two women at the moment, although they don't love me back. But if I get married someday and my wife is ok with the idea, I'd be totally ok to live the principle. Although I'd have to leave the LDS church, so I'd not be excommuncated.
all the negative comments. my wife and I have actually discussed the idea of having another woman in our lives a second wife if you will. she is a nurse I do construction so we have a very tight schedual. we do this to get by. a second spouse would have been great for us, someone who could help with the children and such someone that had an emotional connection to us not just monetary. She sugested the idea for any one wondering.
BTW, "polygamists" If your God intended for there to be few men with many wives, wouldn't he have made the ratio of babies something more like 7:1 women to men?
But the truth is with "polygamy",
part of the attraction is that you are addicted to wives + in denial of the abuse to the left-out boys.
Face it.
So, you end up creating lonely homeless people, (men)
...AND YOU DON"T CARE HOW THIS EFFECTS THEM & THE WORLD!
It is about power over others and of course, sex. Those old men love to have lots of young girls to legally sleep with. That is how Joseph Smith came up with the "revelation." He eyed several young ladies to which he was attracted and tada! A new revelation from God. How convenient. The town's people couldn't appreciate this view, however, and nearly castrated him....
@MultiHannah1995 I agree.......people like you want to have power over others because they disapprove of polygamy. I wish monogamous people weren't so fascistic. Mind your business and let people love and marry whoever they want!
@MultiHannah1995 I agree.......people like you want to have power over others because they disapprove of polygamy. I wish monogamous people weren't so fascistic. Mind your business and let people love and marry whoever they want!
@prom6767 If only these young ladies could marry those that they want. The Prophet must tell them who to wed.....and to whom to love. Actually, by all the accounts on record, those who do fall in love with someone are rejected by the elders and are severely punished. You are neglecting one important side of this argument. You are the one who needs to get a grip.
@MultiHannah1995......That you would post such nonsensical claims right under a video of a polygamist girl who just refuted them shows that you either DIDN'T watch the video or are so brainwashed to be against polygamy that you refuse to even believe what she says. Like I said before, get a grip!
@prom6767 READ books.....Escape for instance. You may see a totally different view of the situation. There are several others as well. Read Jon Krakauer's book, too Under the Banner of Heaven. Then tell me to "get a grip."
Good point about the birth rate. These people are following the rules set down by a man who had an eye for the ladies, mostly the younger ones. The power to direct the lives of so many people is the human way, isn't it? Throughout history this hunger has been creating havoc. But add the sex aspect, then its really chaotic. The nuts and bolts of the practice causes jealousy, envy, and a struggle for position. How can a husband have a relationship with so many wives and children?
@woodsprout.........Face it. You're a bigot! I'm sure you think that all Black people are rapists and all Jews are cheap too. You say you have ZERO respect for people who choose polygamy. Well, if you don't like freedom, you can always move to North Korea.
@woodsprout.....It's interesting that you say you don't portray Jews or Blacks in "that way". How nice that your bigotry only extends to certain groups!! That is so.....honorable of you.
You ask whether I consider polygamists to be a race or an ethnic group as if one could not suffer discrimination if they didn't fall into one of those categories. What nonsense!!
@prom6767 I have zero respect for polygamists because they refuse to see that the ORIGINAL discrimination is their own. They discriminate against the leftover boys and men.
@woodsprout Another silly point that is easily refuted by turning it around. For example, I could easily say that I have zero respect for monogamists because they refuse to see that the ORIGINAL discrimination is their own. They discriminate against the leftover girls and women, who will never be able to find spouses.
@woodsprout BTW, "polygamists" If your God intended for there to be few men with many wives, wouldn't he have made the ratio of babies something more like 7:1 women to men?"
What a silly argument!!! Anyone could use that. If God had intended us to fly, he would've given us wings but I don't hear you ranting against planes and helicopters. Get a grip!
@woodsprout I never said polygamy was like flying in an airplane or a helicopter. i said that the argument that "If God had intended us to......, is silly because it would just lead us to ban everything that God hadn't given us, which, in case you hadn't noticed...is ALOT.
Furthermore, the fact that you had to twist the meaning of what I was saying shows that you have no facts on your side.
@prom6767 I never said "ban everything" that God had not given us. You DID compare the ratio of men to women in humanity, to the technology of airplanes and helicopters.
And I would venture to say that of the two, Creation/Supreme Being/God/Goddess did give us this approximate 1:1 ratio of women and men on earth. ...and for a good reason. ...and not the polygamists rational of unbalance.
@woodsprout I never said polygamy was like flying in an airplane or a helicopter. i said that the argument that "If God had intended us to......, is silly because it would just lead us to ban everything that God hadn't given us, which, in case you hadn't noticed...is ALOT.
As well, the fact that you had to twist the meaning of what I was saying shows that you can't even argue your own silly point. All this nonsense about armies of imaginary "leftover boys and men" is laughable at best.
@woodsprout Let me review this with you step by step since you are obviously an expert in obfuscation. Here is your quote "BTW, "polygamists" If your God intended for there to be few men with many wives, wouldn't he have made the ratio of babies something more like 7:1 women to men?"
What other conclusion could one possibly draw from this statement other than that polygamy defies the natural, God-given ratio of 1:1?
@woodsprout Again, you're back to arguing the point that you claim you were NOT making before but I'll answer it anyway. You ask how my math skills are. They're quite good. I wish I could say the same for your logic skills, however. You said "Whether the polygamy ratio is 1:3, to 1:8 , There are leftover boys & men who polygamists CAN NOT account for."
Your theory's invalid because it assumes that the 1:1 ratio is stable when it is not - marriage isn't for life anymore, remember?
@woodsprout...... Another silly argument. If the ratio of 1:1 was more stable for human society, then there would not be a 50% divorce rate. That is, of course, unless you view a 50% divorce rate as a sign of stability.
You say that many women leave plural marriages but the numbers of those who do are in the low single digits while the monogamist divorce rate is over 50%.
@woodsprout....As a man who actually believes in marriage (I know that seems strange in today's society) I can hardly disagree with you there. I think it's a shame that there is so much divorce today.
@woodsprout By the way, even if I'm not a holy roller, I do believe in God and I know the bible well enough to tell you, without a doubt, that polygamy is not only NOT condemned anywhere in the bible, it is actually condoned by God in many parts of the Old and New Testaments. In one part of the bible, God even blesses David with a gift of several wives (2 Samuel 12:8).
@prom6767 This is a valid argument not silly whats so ever. Better look up the stories of the "lost boys." These wonderful leaders have expelled many young boys and men from the community without any training, money or a place to go...just drive them out to the desert and drop them off like unwanted puppies. It's sickening. That is how the 7:1 ration has been dealt with.
@MultiHannah1995 Oh please MultiHannah, don't feed me your silly propaganda about "lost boys". Tell them to get jobs like every other young man and stop complaining that the world owes them a living. And don't give me this crap about 'they have no skills" You don't NEED skills to work at Wal-Mart or Starbucks. Basically, if you can count to 11 without having to pull down your pants, you're hired.
@woodsprout..... I never argued that the world owed me plural wives - I would work hard to get them. I don't expect any handouts.
I understand why you’re angry with me though - you lost every argument.
You talked about “lost boys” – I showed you that they could just get jobs like every other 18 yr. old. I asked you to show me where polygamy was forbidden in the bible – you couldn’t. You said polygamists abuse their children – I showed you that monogamists do too. You are a bigot.
@prom6767 I'm not talking about "jobs" for the abandoned boys. I'm talking about opportunity for them to have wives and families. Polygamist communities fall very short in that reality. Polygamist communities abuse the rest of society by being selfish.
@woodsprout .......I should have read this comment before replying to the other. So, now that I understand your point, we can continue this debate.
You believe that the men in mainstream monogamist society are being "abused" because the polygamists have taken all the women, thereby depriving them of the possibility of finding mates. Is that right?
@woodsprout.If I am right and that is your point, I still disagree. First of all, there is no shortage of available women in American society and that's WITH a polygamous community already numbering approximately 40,000 so that point would be at best hypothetical. Secondly, some men have two or three girlfriends and are not polygamous(please note that this is NOT against the law either). Therefore, you are condemning polygamists for something that monogamists do too and that's a double-standard.
@woodsprout The bible I mentioned was The Holy Bible. Yes, it was written by humans but then again, I don't know of anything that wasn't written by humans.
Others of course may want to practice it another way, even involving 3 women marrying each other or 3 bisexuals where the guy and the 2 women or vice-versa are all sleeping together, but that is their thing. Deciding which to practice and who's morally right is another topic but for those who are Christians will practice it the Christian way.
I don't deny the possibility that a wife can want more than one husband, but how a wife practices polygamy will likely depend on her moral standards and beliefs. Most people that I know of that practice polygamy in the US are Christians and in Christianity, poly marriage can only be between one husband and multiple wives and not multiple husbands and one wife. (cont'd)
From what I've heard so far, there is not always enough women for all men in FLDS style polygamy, and that's because some men take more than 2 wives, even up to 11. So some guys, mainly the younger ones are left out.
The extra guys are probably left single until a wife is available for them or as some have reported, they are usually removed from the community. Boys removed from the community for this purpose have been called the Lost Boys. There may be a documentary on them
They kick the young boys out of the communtiy. They are called the Lost Boys, as young as 14 are simply dropped off on the highway out of town to fend for themselves. Nice, eh?
Another very sad aspect is these children don't have the skills to live in the outside world. Their education is severly limited. All their lives, they've been taught the "outside" is evil and then they find themselves alone in the evil world. It's disgusting. The boys are abused by abandonment and the girls abused by having to remain.
@MultiHannah1995 Very true. In other words, they're less open-minded than they think they are, and therefore less willing to learn about other cultures.
@prom6767 Is that how you debate? Call people names? Very mature. The fact is this has happened. Since these boys have been expelled in droves from their community this not just bigoted stereotype. To say so is incorrect.
@MultiHannah1995 It IS just a bigoted stereotype!! Yes, some polygamists abuse their children but so do some monogamists. What's your point?
I called you a bigot because that's what you are. Only a bigot would use an example of child abuse to condemn polygamists when monogamists abuse their children too.
It would be like me condemning blacks for rape when it's obvious that whites rape too. That's the hypocrisy of bigotry.
@woodsprout It seems like you have an addiction to an abusive situation you call "monogamy". Apparently, your addiction is just fine though, right????
I have posted the Polygamy revelation. It nullifies all non mormon marriages and contracts, defines innocent blood, and threatens his wife with murder. And much more. It is directly responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. As is the Mormon endowment Ceremony and its oaths. This is provable. And Mormon polygamy is violence against the body of Christ
there should be rights to polygamy! if you want to be stupid thats your liberty lyberty that should be fight with reason.... i tell liberal woman do you want to go back to inequality? hy from tarleton state university
You people are riddiculous. Does she sounds brainwashed? Does she look brainwashed? Look at her, listen to her, shes professional, shes amazing. At least she is able to stand up for WHAT SHE BELIEVES IN, how many of you can say that you have or that you would. Goodness, sakes. At least shes modest too.
Daddy and my twelve mommies and my forty seven siblings... I love my family...at this rate we'll populate the whole planet. Then EVERYONE can be in my family.
First of all, freedom was never the right to do whatever you want. She thinks it is. People think that Religious freedom means you can do whatever you want as long as it's under the guise of religion. This is not true, and never has been.
I do not like polygamy, but this thing here blows my mind! how come in our society it is absolutly ok to be marrid to one woman, but have couple other girlfriend on the side. its no surprise to any one, but if some one wnts to ligally marry more than one woman, so thay both have ligal rights, then every one fricks out. by the way, not only there is nothing negetive in bible about polygamy, it is also encouraged through many stories with great charectors with more than one wife such as Salamon.
Monogamy sucks, but one way monogamy sucks harder. I don't think these people would refrain from freaking out if the women were to legally marry several men. Until they accept that, their opinion is invalid to me. I only support gender neutral polygamy!
Clashboredom, religious freedom includes activities that don't harm you. How does polygamy jharm you? But instead, when you allow policemen to enter their homes and kidnap their children, with your republican or democrat vote, you do harm them. If you want to stop harming them, vote libertarian. And if you disagree, the libertarian party allows you full room to preach to them. But not harm them. God Bless.
When you hear this it's hard to understand the moral grounds for attacking the Taliban; the Chinese for dumping "second" babies into the Yangzi river; Southeast Asians for genetic research into only conceiving male babies; It's a sick world we live in people. I don't think I like youtube....or the "news" anymore. She is hot though.
here is polygamy, pure and simple: JOES'Polygamy Revelation" CONDEMNED ALL non mormon marriages and contracts. READ IT> (I have posted it)polygamy in mormonism isnt just having lots of wives and sharing wives among the men. No,no dear reader. It condemns. it makes "you" open and fair game in all arenas of life; buisness and marriage. HOW DO YOU LIKE MORMON POLYGAMY NOW?? This doctrine can be held directly responsible for the MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE. and thats the truth
Isn't it possible that these girls don't think there's anything wrong with polygamy because they've been brainwashed? They're told it's their duty to have kids with these older men, they're to be faithful to these older men and all people in the outside world are bad. That's not fair. Even if the kids in polygamist society aren't violent, I'd compare the brainwashing to the Hitler Youth in Nazi Germany.
Then you're completely misguided. In Texas, the authorities were acting on a tip and were preparing for the worst. In Nazi Germany...you know, it's not even worth trying to reason with you. It could take all night.
I understand what you mean, but up to this point they have not found a shred of evidence that there really was an abused girl. They didn't even know her neme, and now they've taken 436 children out of thier home and separated them from thier parents. I'm not saying there were no sex offenders,there could've been one, but evidence of one sex offender in a compound does not justify them to raid the ranch the way they did. There were better ways to handle it besides the way that they did.
They had reason to believe that one was abused based on the phone call they received claiming the abuse. It's starting to look more and more justified...over half of the girls between 14 and 17 had children already or were pregnant. One young girl just gave birth this week. And now there's reports of over 40 kids having broken bones at a young age? Come on.
Could you please send me a link of the article you heard this from? I didn't ever hear about the broken bones story, and there's teenage girls being impregnated everywhere else too.
pandah462, You are either lying with those statistics or you heard false rumors. Actually, only about five percent of the girls between 14 and 17 had children already or were pregnant. That is exactly the same percentage as for the rest of Texas. Also, there were only six children (out of nearly five hundred) who have been treated for a broken bone. Again, about the same percentage as for the rest of Texas.
I wasn't lying. I was going off of news reports that came out at the time that this unfolded. There were several. I think it's funny that the church had to go back and define marriage laws...probably to cover their asses because they didn't get caught the first time around. Regardless, I think their whole society is bullshit. Just listen to the people who have escaped to tell their tales. It's like listening to a recovered Scientologist.
With the difference that the 5 percent within this communities will be taken care of by the same community and by their husbands, who intend to have them for life. Instead, the 5 percent of 15 y.o. pregnant if the outside society will not have a husband but many, many, maaaany boyfriends in their lifetimes (just like harlots with the difference they do it for free), and you, through your taxes, will have to care for their babies.
pandah462, We now know that many of the "teen" girls who have children actually had them when they were age 18 or older. Here is a great example. A Texas CPS worker lied under oath during a court hearing and told about interviewing a 15 year old pregant girl. Well, it turns out that the "girl" is really 27 years old!!
polygamy is wrong JS lied in several scripts. he has claimed that he never had practiced polygamy. it is a sad mind game. if the roots of the church are bad so it the tree and the branches and the fruit. mormans a polythiestic. they are NOT in any way christians.
Amanda, I would like my freedom to feed your ass with apples coz my self-founded religion tells me so. It's called "feed the double dibit IQ holders who need a grand bullshit to sublimate their inferiority complex"
The recent FLDS raid has proven that polygamy is institutionalized crime. The proof is simple: a 16-year-old with 4 children. Do the math. She was impregnated before legal age in this country. That's a crime and it's obvioius child abuse. It really is just that simple.
Well THAT SHIT HAPPENS IN THE "FREE WORLD" TOO! WHO ARE YOU SHITTING???? ITS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT AND ITS ABOUT CONTROLLING EVERY SECT! SEE YOU CANT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX! AND MORE CHILD ABUSE GOES ON IN THE FUCKING SCHOOL SYSTEM!
"Free world" is an interesting choice of words. It's an apt one too. The "shit" that happens to kids in school is more normal interaction betweeen kids. In the polygamy compound it is children being raped and brainwashed by adults. It you don't see the difference you are a lost cause.
Your personal belief is yours, and I'm fine with that. It is sad however that you have to degrade yourself by calling anyone who disagrees with you stupid without any evidence or reason to back your statement. What do you think that says about your intelligence?
Belief in god is a litmus for intelligence and you failed. The lion's share of academia are atheists. Our prisons are filled with christians. There is no question which group is more intelligent. It's ironic you speak of evidence. There is no emperical or rational basis behind religion. You are simply delusional and brainwashed. You just keep searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there.
You prove your ignorance every time you type. As far as your evidence goes I have this to say: We have the fossils. Game over. We win.
To quote Heinlein -
"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."
Once again, you stated only an opinion, no evidence to back it. I find it funny though how much athiest imitate other religions, deriving their morals from them. If there is no God, then there is no devine author of right and wrong. Then there is nothing before or after this life. There would be no wrong is racism, rape, supression, stealing, lying, etc. To quote Ted Bundy, "If there is no God, then why can't I make my own rules?"
I'm sure it's hard for you to understand but Atheists, indeed humans, do not need religion to be good. Instead, our morality has a Darwinian explanation: altruistic genes, selected through the process of evolution, give people natural empathy. The fact is that atheists are generally good, moral ppl and xtians are the killers, rapers etc. This is proven by who is in our prisons - xtians. Atheists are our college professors and free thinkers. Bundy is a perfect example. He believed in god.
But as athiest, you have nothing backing your morality. It's all relative and individual. And no, not all athiest, just as not all Christians are "good moral people", Stalin, who killed 10 million, Polpot killed 20 million. In fact, it is athiest who have the greatest kill record in the history of the world. So much for your morality through genetics.
Now that Polygamy is in the news because of the Texas "stand off". Why are the Local Yocal Lawmen so concerned about a group of harmless people? Don't they have thousands of illegals and millions of dollars in drugs coming over there border? By the way if you look at the pics of the recent "stand off" you'll observe some First Baptist Church buses "helping" to haul the wayward Polygamist Mormons.Looks like a little Theocracy in El Dorado using their Crony lawmen to go after these harmless people
It's about as crazy as you supporting your parents in their marriage. If the marriage is with concenting adults, what do you care? It's THEIR marriage, THEIR family, THEIR relationships.
Because a 12-year-old is NOT a consenting adult. Some of the girls pulled from the FLDS raid are pregnant children. One girl is 16 and she already has 4 children. If that isn't child abuse I don't know what is...!
and yes, a 12 year old is not a concenting adult. Duh! There is a reason why I was spacific when seperating adult from minor. Any 50 year old trying to measure any minor needs to have his padifile butt thrown in jail for a very long time.
When you're wrong you really go for it. The irony is palpable. The fact is religion is responsible for more deaths, wars and suffering than any other force in human history. I bet I have a higher moral standard than you do. For instance I'm a vegan because I think factory farms are immoral. Do you eat animals captain? Is the answer is yes then you are guilty of animal abuse. I'm not because I see with my eyes that it's wrong. I don't need a book to tell me so.
these women are beautiful and advocating polygamy. My pants says, YEAH LETS DO THIS!!! but my conscience says this is wrong. I was not raised up like this, and these confused minded women should not have been raised up like this.
polygamy should only be for mindless sex crazy monkey like lemurs not humans. The concept on concubines is disgusting
would you prefer then to have lawful wives where the women are respected or unlawful girls friends? think of all the problems the world has with cheating and STDs the amount we have to pay for AIDS treatment! Life would be easier if the law would allow people to do things such as plural marriages as it was ordained my god not the church as Christian sects, Jews and Muslims practice it or shall we just be concubines with no rights?
I'm speechless. Women standing up and supporting the concept of polygamy, notwithstanding the fact that they could never take mulitple husbands. While it can be argued (I'm not saying I agree with this argument) that consensual polygamy is acceptable, until a woman can take multiple husbands it is quite simply an outrageous opression of the female sex.
she is part of a different polygamist group... i know here.. i am also in that polygamist group and it has nothing to do with warnne jeffs"the prophet" and for all you haters know shit b4 you dis it cuz you dont know!
I don't have a problem with this if, most of the time they weren't raping the goverment to raise there children. the average poligamist family takes in $8 in welfare for every 1 dollar of taxes they pay.Thats living your lifestyle on the backs of others. They steal from others to raise there family. God does not want people to steal to provide there for there families. I did't ask you to have more kids than you can support so, I don't want to support them. Stop bleeding the beast.
YOu do understand that more monogomy relationships take in more money than that. Their was a statistic of AFrican Americans on the east coast now those numbers were high.
why are you so worried about $8 for every $1 when the government is spending nearly a trillion dollars overseas and not spending it here taking care of this country?
This whole tax shit is a fraud anyway! This is why we need someone like Ron Paul so he can abolish the IRS and let us keep our money we make! if the government wouldn't steal our money then people wouldn't need government assistance!
Do me a favor there Ahwatukee32 and tell me where u get this figure that polygamist are recieving welfare. You should state figures of single moms raping us of tax dollars. Failing to get married- free sex isn't really free or deciding marriage isn't right. I see very few polygamist getting divorces or not supporting their family. When problems with money come church or community they are in support. PLEASE, PLEASE post that link to how polygamist are raping the government!!!
i dont understand why people who want to hate actually take the time to type in Pologamy or what not and watch the video obviously its appealing to you on some sort of level if its "so horrable and so bad" why watch (becasue its not) :) Way to go Amanda
I watch these videos to attempt to understand how someone with a brainwashed mind get's across their ideas. I find it sickening that people actually believe in this crap. The only thing that 'appeals' to me is waiting for a report that Warren Jeffs has been stabbed to death by someone, and his web of sick and twisted fundamental beliefs being taken apart by anything.
How can anyone support that man? He forced a 14 year old girl to marry her first cousin.
Again, Jeffs has been equated with this girls upbringing. Are Europeans supposed to equate your marriage and family life with that of the OZZY Osborn family? All polygamists do NOT share a monolithic experience. Last time I checked, Hugh Heffner did not chum with Warren Jeffs, and neither are Mormon (though one says he is.)
Judging by the written word of Joseph Smith, the FLDS are actually NOT the splinter group, though they were the minority and got overpowered by the true splinter group. Heffner IS NOT a polygamist, you are ignorant, he has 7 girlfriends. Not wives.
You can't tell me the government recignizes Jeffs wives as such. As far as the Gov. is concerned they ARE girlfriends. No recignized authority married them, otherwise he could be hauled to jail just for that. So practically, what's the difference between Jeffs and Heffner as far as marital status goes? BTW Joseph Smith was into CONTINUEING revelation. He of all folks understood that principle.
Lol..yea we're done here. You're comparing Heff and Jeffs' marital status..that in itself just blows my mind...night man, hope Joseph tucks you in snug tonight.
My point doesn't have so much to do with Mormonism vs. Christianity as it does with Mormonism vs. God's Word.
No matter how you were brought up, and no matter how well adjusted you are, if something is against God's word then it is wrong, no matter if you are well adjusted or not.
And just because this video shows polygamy in a certain light does not mean that there is a dark side. (Anyone heard of Warren Jeffs?)
So, ther's no such thing as a dark side of a monagomist marraige? Is that really what you want to argue? I know a lot of infadelities, divorce, phycalogical and physical abuses go on in 'classic' marriages too. In far greater numbers to boot.
And as far as 'God's Word,' it's not so clear cut. You define it a certain way while others define it differently. Each has basis in scripture. That's why there is more than one Faith sprouting from the Bible.
But if you look at God's original plan for marriage (Adam & Eve) You will see that God created one man for one wife.
BTW, problems happen more often in conventional marriages because there are a whole lot more of them. Per capita however I'm sure there are many more problems with Polygamist marriages.
polygamy has been the mode of marraige for longer than monogamy has. I'm not a polygamist, nor do I push it on anyone, but to be fair, Abraham was a polygamist. Many Arab families today are polygamist, they don't have high divorce. Many medieval Kings and Lords of Europe were polygamist. Lots of women are willing to be "on the side" for whatever reason today. Every man wants more than one deep, deep down. But we don't, cause of modern conventions and ramifications.
Abraham was a polygamist, and do you see all the war and strife in the present middle east that Abraham has caused?
It's Abraham's fault for not believing God's Word that He woul make Sarah (Abraham's 85+ year old wife) concieve & have a baby.
And again, if you read the Genesis account of marriage the first polygamist was Lamech, Adam's great-grandson (Gen. 4:19). So polygamy did not come about before monogomous marriage.
brainwashed! It's sad to see women (the ones who do the work holding the family together) defending something so non-religious. I agree on one point: they are good looking girlies. Can a lesbian have many wives? cause if so than maybe that will change my mind about polygamy!! Now that would be celestial, don't ya think?
They seem to pick the hottest chicks to defend poligamy (I like Jessica and Amanda!!!). They want to make us dream about poligamy. I am phantasyzing with both of them right now...
promm6767... I've noticed that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is automatically bigoted as if you are the benchmark for what is true. It seems you cannot debate issues with someone unless you call them names
MultiHannah1995 1 year ago
prom6767.....you are too belligerent in which continue to argue. Your ignorance of real life except for perverse sexual avenues is astounding
MultiHannah1995 1 year ago
@MultiHannah1995....I'm neither belligerent nor ignorant of real life. Unlike you, I'm quite well-versed in the real world, thank you.
I know what bigotry is and I reject it. Stop being a puritannical bigot and stop judging everyone else!!
If you're against polygamy, then don't marry a man with 2 wives!!
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 You have not explained yet the analogy of the lost boys in polygamy to the lost WHO? in monogamy.
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout...You used the term "lost boys" in two different cases. Therefore, before I go on, I would like to know exactly what you meant when you referred to "lost boys".
Do you mean:
a) The cases in which certain young men(lost boys) have been expelled from their communities. or
b)The example you used showing that polygamy would disrupt the 1:1 male-female birth ratio, thereby depriving large numbers of men (lost boys) of the right to have mates.
prom6767 1 year ago
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Don't know how or why but ever since i was a small boy I've always believed that polygamy was right even when you study Holy Scriptures and /or history multiple wives have always been a way of life.... it is only modern society that frowns on this.... yet they nod their heads and say that homosexuality is OK. C'mon homosexuality is not OK any normal human being can tell you that it is not.
I would like to meet like minded women
Tico
118100006 1 year ago
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118100006 1 year ago
Polygamy is OK as long as women are OK with sharing their husbands and having to share their house with multiple kids and wives. THAT I'm OK with. What I'm NOT OK with is if fathers sexually abuse their daughters, who wish to not have any sexual relationship with them. If she's not, that is violating human rights. And human rights, in my opinion, is above the law or any religion known to humans.
papermate408 1 year ago
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Huscarlavery 1 year ago
We, Asians, are expert in selling vacuum cleaners to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaner of judaism and chrisianity to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaner of islam to the world
we sold the vacuum cleaner of Hinduism, sikhism and budhism to the world.
Ever wondered why no prophet or bhagwan was ever born in England, Poland, Holland, new Zealand, Australia or brazil.
we specialize in creating and selling the vacuum cleaners in the name of religion.
zulfitareen 1 year ago
I live in Brazil and here polygamy is ilegal. But I believe it's totally possible to be equally in love with more than one woman. I'm in love with two women at the moment, although they don't love me back. But if I get married someday and my wife is ok with the idea, I'd be totally ok to live the principle. Although I'd have to leave the LDS church, so I'd not be excommuncated.
paulistapoligamo 1 year ago
all the negative comments. my wife and I have actually discussed the idea of having another woman in our lives a second wife if you will. she is a nurse I do construction so we have a very tight schedual. we do this to get by. a second spouse would have been great for us, someone who could help with the children and such someone that had an emotional connection to us not just monetary. She sugested the idea for any one wondering.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
BTW, "polygamists" If your God intended for there to be few men with many wives, wouldn't he have made the ratio of babies something more like 7:1 women to men?
But the truth is with "polygamy",
part of the attraction is that you are addicted to wives + in denial of the abuse to the left-out boys.
Face it.
So, you end up creating lonely homeless people, (men)
...AND YOU DON"T CARE HOW THIS EFFECTS THEM & THE WORLD!
You people abuse humanity !
I have ZERO respect for your "choice".
woodsprout 2 years ago
It is about power over others and of course, sex. Those old men love to have lots of young girls to legally sleep with. That is how Joseph Smith came up with the "revelation." He eyed several young ladies to which he was attracted and tada! A new revelation from God. How convenient. The town's people couldn't appreciate this view, however, and nearly castrated him....
MultiHannah1995 2 years ago
@MultiHannah1995 I agree.......people like you want to have power over others because they disapprove of polygamy. I wish monogamous people weren't so fascistic. Mind your business and let people love and marry whoever they want!
prom6767 1 year ago
@MultiHannah1995 I agree.......people like you want to have power over others because they disapprove of polygamy. I wish monogamous people weren't so fascistic. Mind your business and let people love and marry whoever they want!
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 If only these young ladies could marry those that they want. The Prophet must tell them who to wed.....and to whom to love. Actually, by all the accounts on record, those who do fall in love with someone are rejected by the elders and are severely punished. You are neglecting one important side of this argument. You are the one who needs to get a grip.
MultiHannah1995 1 year ago
@MultiHannah1995......That you would post such nonsensical claims right under a video of a polygamist girl who just refuted them shows that you either DIDN'T watch the video or are so brainwashed to be against polygamy that you refuse to even believe what she says. Like I said before, get a grip!
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 READ books.....Escape for instance. You may see a totally different view of the situation. There are several others as well. Read Jon Krakauer's book, too Under the Banner of Heaven. Then tell me to "get a grip."
MultiHannah1995 1 year ago
Good point about the birth rate. These people are following the rules set down by a man who had an eye for the ladies, mostly the younger ones. The power to direct the lives of so many people is the human way, isn't it? Throughout history this hunger has been creating havoc. But add the sex aspect, then its really chaotic. The nuts and bolts of the practice causes jealousy, envy, and a struggle for position. How can a husband have a relationship with so many wives and children?
MultiHannah1995 2 years ago
@woodsprout you sexist fuck...
Huscarlavery 1 year ago
@Huscarlavery, Where in my comments have I said anything"sexist" ?
I do know what "sexist" means. ...and in my daily life I am known to be non-sexist in action and thought. What did you misunderstand?
woodsprout 1 year ago
@Huscarlavery sorry...i misread your comment...
Huscarlavery 1 year ago
@woodsprout.........Face it. You're a bigot! I'm sure you think that all Black people are rapists and all Jews are cheap too. You say you have ZERO respect for people who choose polygamy. Well, if you don't like freedom, you can always move to North Korea.
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 Two things: First, You are jumping to conclusion. I do not view or portray Jews or African Americans that way.
In fact I have had many acquaintances and friends that don't fit these stereotypes.
My question to you is this : Do you consider polygamy to be a race or ethnic group?
Second, I have ZERO respect for polygamy because polygamists have ZERO times answered the question: WHAT BECOMES OF THE LEFTOVER BOYS AND MEN?
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout.....It's interesting that you say you don't portray Jews or Blacks in "that way". How nice that your bigotry only extends to certain groups!! That is so.....honorable of you.
You ask whether I consider polygamists to be a race or an ethnic group as if one could not suffer discrimination if they didn't fall into one of those categories. What nonsense!!
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 I have zero respect for polygamists because they refuse to see that the ORIGINAL discrimination is their own. They discriminate against the leftover boys and men.
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout Another silly point that is easily refuted by turning it around. For example, I could easily say that I have zero respect for monogamists because they refuse to see that the ORIGINAL discrimination is their own. They discriminate against the leftover girls and women, who will never be able to find spouses.
prom6767 1 year ago
@woodsprout BTW, "polygamists" If your God intended for there to be few men with many wives, wouldn't he have made the ratio of babies something more like 7:1 women to men?"
What a silly argument!!! Anyone could use that. If God had intended us to fly, he would've given us wings but I don't hear you ranting against planes and helicopters. Get a grip!
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 It is NOT a "silly" argument, it is very rational, and why do you ignore the math???
Why is it that you like to ignore this question?
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LEFTOVER BOYS & MEN ???
You talk about "monogamy crumbling" but what about our human society deteriorating?
WHAT ROLE IN OUR SOCIETY DO YOU IMAGINE FOR THE LEFTOVER BOYS & MEN ?
IS THIS THE ~UNANSWERABLE~ QUESTION FOR POLYGAMIST ?
Your analogy: Polygamy is like flying in an airplane or helicopter? Now THAT is "silly" !
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout I never said polygamy was like flying in an airplane or a helicopter. i said that the argument that "If God had intended us to......, is silly because it would just lead us to ban everything that God hadn't given us, which, in case you hadn't noticed...is ALOT.
Furthermore, the fact that you had to twist the meaning of what I was saying shows that you have no facts on your side.
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 I never said "ban everything" that God had not given us. You DID compare the ratio of men to women in humanity, to the technology of airplanes and helicopters.
And I would venture to say that of the two, Creation/Supreme Being/God/Goddess did give us this approximate 1:1 ratio of women and men on earth. ...and for a good reason. ...and not the polygamists rational of unbalance.
So very different from airplanes and helicopters.
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout I never said polygamy was like flying in an airplane or a helicopter. i said that the argument that "If God had intended us to......, is silly because it would just lead us to ban everything that God hadn't given us, which, in case you hadn't noticed...is ALOT.
As well, the fact that you had to twist the meaning of what I was saying shows that you can't even argue your own silly point. All this nonsense about armies of imaginary "leftover boys and men" is laughable at best.
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 The "twist" came from you! You compared something "God hadn't given us" which was a TECHNOLOGY (airplanes helicopters),
to a RATIO,1:7 of male to female (a dreamy sized polygamist family) which I said God hadn't given us.
Also I never said "ban everything" (more of your twist) that God hadn't given us. That is your exaggeration.
When I make comparisons in a debate, I try a relative analogy. You compared a Technology to a Ratio.
Regarding leftover boys & men, to be continued
woodsprout 1 year ago
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@woodsprout Let me review this with you step by step since you are obviously an expert in obfuscation. Here is your quote "BTW, "polygamists" If your God intended for there to be few men with many wives, wouldn't he have made the ratio of babies something more like 7:1 women to men?"
What other conclusion could one possibly draw from this statement other than that polygamy defies the natural, God-given ratio of 1:1?
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 You wrote: "All this nonsense about armies of imaginary "leftover boys & men" is laughable at best".
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"Armies" Who said that?
Laughable exaggeration. Let me ask you: How are your math skills?
Whether the polygamy ratio is 1:3, to 1:8 , There are leftover boys & men who polygamists CAN NOT account for.
A very substantial number.
What's your excuse for this bad accounting? What's your excuse for throwing off the 1:1 balance? ...which God made. ( if you are a believer in God)
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout Again, you're back to arguing the point that you claim you were NOT making before but I'll answer it anyway. You ask how my math skills are. They're quite good. I wish I could say the same for your logic skills, however. You said "Whether the polygamy ratio is 1:3, to 1:8 , There are leftover boys & men who polygamists CAN NOT account for."
Your theory's invalid because it assumes that the 1:1 ratio is stable when it is not - marriage isn't for life anymore, remember?
prom6767 1 year ago
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woodsprout 1 year ago
@prom6767 Ratio of 1:1 is much more stable for human society. Even when there are divorces. Keep in mind that many women leave plural marriages too!
The Male to Female Ratio of 1:1 most closely matches the birth rate. (Which goes without saying)
prom6767, What planet did you originate from?
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout...... Another silly argument. If the ratio of 1:1 was more stable for human society, then there would not be a 50% divorce rate. That is, of course, unless you view a 50% divorce rate as a sign of stability.
You say that many women leave plural marriages but the numbers of those who do are in the low single digits while the monogamist divorce rate is over 50%.
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 As humans, let's work on that divorce rate, lets aim for more success.
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout....As a man who actually believes in marriage (I know that seems strange in today's society) I can hardly disagree with you there. I think it's a shame that there is so much divorce today.
prom6767 1 year ago
@woodsprout By the way, even if I'm not a holy roller, I do believe in God and I know the bible well enough to tell you, without a doubt, that polygamy is not only NOT condemned anywhere in the bible, it is actually condoned by God in many parts of the Old and New Testaments. In one part of the bible, God even blesses David with a gift of several wives (2 Samuel 12:8).
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 This is a valid argument not silly whats so ever. Better look up the stories of the "lost boys." These wonderful leaders have expelled many young boys and men from the community without any training, money or a place to go...just drive them out to the desert and drop them off like unwanted puppies. It's sickening. That is how the 7:1 ration has been dealt with.
MultiHannah1995 1 year ago
@MultiHannah1995 Oh please MultiHannah, don't feed me your silly propaganda about "lost boys". Tell them to get jobs like every other young man and stop complaining that the world owes them a living. And don't give me this crap about 'they have no skills" You don't NEED skills to work at Wal-Mart or Starbucks. Basically, if you can count to 11 without having to pull down your pants, you're hired.
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 You have a really abusive attitude regarding the leftover men and boys.
You said, "Tell them to get jobs like every other young man & stop complaining that the world owes them a living"
YET IT IS YOU FIRST COMPLAINING that the world owes you plural wives. All because you fancy yourself as David in your Bible. You're a pompous joke.
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout..... I never argued that the world owed me plural wives - I would work hard to get them. I don't expect any handouts.
I understand why you’re angry with me though - you lost every argument.
You talked about “lost boys” – I showed you that they could just get jobs like every other 18 yr. old. I asked you to show me where polygamy was forbidden in the bible – you couldn’t. You said polygamists abuse their children – I showed you that monogamists do too. You are a bigot.
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 Only in YOUR mind did I lose every argument.
woodsprout 1 year ago
@prom6767 I'm not talking about "jobs" for the abandoned boys. I'm talking about opportunity for them to have wives and families. Polygamist communities fall very short in that reality. Polygamist communities abuse the rest of society by being selfish.
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout .......I should have read this comment before replying to the other. So, now that I understand your point, we can continue this debate.
You believe that the men in mainstream monogamist society are being "abused" because the polygamists have taken all the women, thereby depriving them of the possibility of finding mates. Is that right?
prom6767 1 year ago
@woodsprout.If I am right and that is your point, I still disagree. First of all, there is no shortage of available women in American society and that's WITH a polygamous community already numbering approximately 40,000 so that point would be at best hypothetical. Secondly, some men have two or three girlfriends and are not polygamous(please note that this is NOT against the law either). Therefore, you are condemning polygamists for something that monogamists do too and that's a double-standard.
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 You mentioned a "bible". Do you mean the one that was written by humans?
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout The bible I mentioned was The Holy Bible. Yes, it was written by humans but then again, I don't know of anything that wasn't written by humans.
prom6767 1 year ago
I have NO respect for it ("polygamy") due to the abuse to the young men who are left out.
This is not a religion. This is selfishness. This is poor human character. It IS abuse!
woodsprout 2 years ago
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Others of course may want to practice it another way, even involving 3 women marrying each other or 3 bisexuals where the guy and the 2 women or vice-versa are all sleeping together, but that is their thing. Deciding which to practice and who's morally right is another topic but for those who are Christians will practice it the Christian way.
PolyPride3 2 years ago
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PolyPride3 2 years ago
@Petfal
I don't deny the possibility that a wife can want more than one husband, but how a wife practices polygamy will likely depend on her moral standards and beliefs. Most people that I know of that practice polygamy in the US are Christians and in Christianity, poly marriage can only be between one husband and multiple wives and not multiple husbands and one wife. (cont'd)
PolyPride3 2 years ago
How does the math work out in this polygamy?
Don't Mormons have naturally an equal number of female and male children?
What happens to the extra men?
OR
Where do they find extra women?
woodsprout 2 years ago
@woodsprout
From what I've heard so far, there is not always enough women for all men in FLDS style polygamy, and that's because some men take more than 2 wives, even up to 11. So some guys, mainly the younger ones are left out.
The extra guys are probably left single until a wife is available for them or as some have reported, they are usually removed from the community. Boys removed from the community for this purpose have been called the Lost Boys. There may be a documentary on them
PolyPride3 2 years ago
They kick the young boys out of the communtiy. They are called the Lost Boys, as young as 14 are simply dropped off on the highway out of town to fend for themselves. Nice, eh?
MultiHannah1995 2 years ago
Yes, that is disturbing. They have an addiction to an abusive situation they call "polygamy"
They can say all they want how "proud" they are of this, but they are creating hell on earth for these young boys.
woodsprout 2 years ago
Another very sad aspect is these children don't have the skills to live in the outside world. Their education is severly limited. All their lives, they've been taught the "outside" is evil and then they find themselves alone in the evil world. It's disgusting. The boys are abused by abandonment and the girls abused by having to remain.
MultiHannah1995 2 years ago
@MultiHannah1995 Very true. In other words, they're less open-minded than they think they are, and therefore less willing to learn about other cultures.
papermate408 1 year ago
@MultiHannah1995 Nonsense!! You're just using bigoted stereotypes.
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767 Is that how you debate? Call people names? Very mature. The fact is this has happened. Since these boys have been expelled in droves from their community this not just bigoted stereotype. To say so is incorrect.
MultiHannah1995 1 year ago
@MultiHannah1995 It IS just a bigoted stereotype!! Yes, some polygamists abuse their children but so do some monogamists. What's your point?
I called you a bigot because that's what you are. Only a bigot would use an example of child abuse to condemn polygamists when monogamists abuse their children too.
It would be like me condemning blacks for rape when it's obvious that whites rape too. That's the hypocrisy of bigotry.
prom6767 1 year ago
@prom6767, He keeps screaming "bigot" backed up with loose analogies, to defend polygamy.
woodsprout 1 year ago
@woodsprout It seems like you have an addiction to an abusive situation you call "monogamy". Apparently, your addiction is just fine though, right????
prom6767 1 year ago
I have posted the Polygamy revelation. It nullifies all non mormon marriages and contracts, defines innocent blood, and threatens his wife with murder. And much more. It is directly responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. As is the Mormon endowment Ceremony and its oaths. This is provable. And Mormon polygamy is violence against the body of Christ
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
I,m the devil....I like her pussy..do you...?
tonyshit80 2 years ago
there should be rights to polygamy! if you want to be stupid thats your liberty lyberty that should be fight with reason.... i tell liberal woman do you want to go back to inequality? hy from tarleton state university
azteckike 3 years ago
Another wise girl.
I thought only us muslims have polygamy, but wahoo, America is blessed with it too.
Peace
m6000000 3 years ago
I applaud her for putting a personal face to polygamy and explain how polygamy isn't what it's painted to be in the media or in soceity.
bayareababe2004 3 years ago 2
You people are riddiculous. Does she sounds brainwashed? Does she look brainwashed? Look at her, listen to her, shes professional, shes amazing. At least she is able to stand up for WHAT SHE BELIEVES IN, how many of you can say that you have or that you would. Goodness, sakes. At least shes modest too.
SeriouslyMcDreamy 3 years ago 2
Daddy and my twelve mommies and my forty seven siblings... I love my family...at this rate we'll populate the whole planet. Then EVERYONE can be in my family.
Iseeyoursoul 3 years ago
Shes cute, but its too bad shes brainwashed beyond hope.
She had "a variety of religions to choose from", so she chose the FDLS. I bet it was the magical underwear that swayed her.
bradcarobrent 3 years ago
First of all, freedom was never the right to do whatever you want. She thinks it is. People think that Religious freedom means you can do whatever you want as long as it's under the guise of religion. This is not true, and never has been.
ClashBoredom 3 years ago
I do not like polygamy, but this thing here blows my mind! how come in our society it is absolutly ok to be marrid to one woman, but have couple other girlfriend on the side. its no surprise to any one, but if some one wnts to ligally marry more than one woman, so thay both have ligal rights, then every one fricks out. by the way, not only there is nothing negetive in bible about polygamy, it is also encouraged through many stories with great charectors with more than one wife such as Salamon.
mkhoubiari 3 years ago 2
Monogamy sucks, but one way monogamy sucks harder. I don't think these people would refrain from freaking out if the women were to legally marry several men. Until they accept that, their opinion is invalid to me. I only support gender neutral polygamy!
Petfal 2 years ago
Clashboredom, religious freedom includes activities that don't harm you. How does polygamy jharm you? But instead, when you allow policemen to enter their homes and kidnap their children, with your republican or democrat vote, you do harm them. If you want to stop harming them, vote libertarian. And if you disagree, the libertarian party allows you full room to preach to them. But not harm them. God Bless.
davidbenjeshua 3 years ago
She was forced to stand up and defend polygamy, for if she did not, she would have been forced to marry some 80-year old with his shriveled-up dick.
westykitten 3 years ago
When you hear this it's hard to understand the moral grounds for attacking the Taliban; the Chinese for dumping "second" babies into the Yangzi river; Southeast Asians for genetic research into only conceiving male babies; It's a sick world we live in people. I don't think I like youtube....or the "news" anymore. She is hot though.
frankinbolton 3 years ago
bla bla bla. shut the fuck up and bend over. you just want an orgy.
elmirrider 3 years ago
elmirrider, How about using your brain sometime? Try it, you might like it.
qwertyXYZ23456 3 years ago 3
wtf? they actually support that? if i had to be somebody's freakin eighth wife i'd run away. and why can't a woman have alot of husbands?
xbellabebex 3 years ago
xbellabebex, A woman can have a lot of husbands. It is called Polyandry. But it is illegal in the U.S. as is Polygamy.
qwertyXYZ23456 3 years ago
if you are a grown woman and you want to be someone's third or even eight wife, more power to you. but, it is sick to mess with little girls
tranurse 3 years ago
do u guys knoiw that cregos pizza in calarado city is freaking good if u go their get a pizza bomb it is good
imjoemama 3 years ago
Warren Jepps and other elders or propetics or whatever they think they are are nothing more than child molesters!
They ever get a new wife older and uglyier than the first one?
The x-tra wifes on welfare?
Lock up the lot of them!
aSnowDog2 3 years ago
here is polygamy, pure and simple: JOES'Polygamy Revelation" CONDEMNED ALL non mormon marriages and contracts. READ IT> (I have posted it)polygamy in mormonism isnt just having lots of wives and sharing wives among the men. No,no dear reader. It condemns. it makes "you" open and fair game in all arenas of life; buisness and marriage. HOW DO YOU LIKE MORMON POLYGAMY NOW?? This doctrine can be held directly responsible for the MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE. and thats the truth
hypnotstcollector 3 years ago
Isn't it possible that these girls don't think there's anything wrong with polygamy because they've been brainwashed? They're told it's their duty to have kids with these older men, they're to be faithful to these older men and all people in the outside world are bad. That's not fair. Even if the kids in polygamist society aren't violent, I'd compare the brainwashing to the Hitler Youth in Nazi Germany.
pandah462 3 years ago
I would compare the Texas raid on the YFZ Ranch to Nazi Germany.
Zeramourn 3 years ago 2
Then you're completely misguided. In Texas, the authorities were acting on a tip and were preparing for the worst. In Nazi Germany...you know, it's not even worth trying to reason with you. It could take all night.
pandah462 3 years ago
I understand what you mean, but up to this point they have not found a shred of evidence that there really was an abused girl. They didn't even know her neme, and now they've taken 436 children out of thier home and separated them from thier parents. I'm not saying there were no sex offenders,there could've been one, but evidence of one sex offender in a compound does not justify them to raid the ranch the way they did. There were better ways to handle it besides the way that they did.
Zeramourn 3 years ago
They had reason to believe that one was abused based on the phone call they received claiming the abuse. It's starting to look more and more justified...over half of the girls between 14 and 17 had children already or were pregnant. One young girl just gave birth this week. And now there's reports of over 40 kids having broken bones at a young age? Come on.
pandah462 3 years ago
Could you please send me a link of the article you heard this from? I didn't ever hear about the broken bones story, and there's teenage girls being impregnated everywhere else too.
Zeramourn 3 years ago
pandah462, You are either lying with those statistics or you heard false rumors. Actually, only about five percent of the girls between 14 and 17 had children already or were pregnant. That is exactly the same percentage as for the rest of Texas. Also, there were only six children (out of nearly five hundred) who have been treated for a broken bone. Again, about the same percentage as for the rest of Texas.
qwertyXYZ23456 3 years ago 3
I wasn't lying. I was going off of news reports that came out at the time that this unfolded. There were several. I think it's funny that the church had to go back and define marriage laws...probably to cover their asses because they didn't get caught the first time around. Regardless, I think their whole society is bullshit. Just listen to the people who have escaped to tell their tales. It's like listening to a recovered Scientologist.
pandah462 3 years ago
With the difference that the 5 percent within this communities will be taken care of by the same community and by their husbands, who intend to have them for life. Instead, the 5 percent of 15 y.o. pregnant if the outside society will not have a husband but many, many, maaaany boyfriends in their lifetimes (just like harlots with the difference they do it for free), and you, through your taxes, will have to care for their babies.
davidbenjeshua 3 years ago
pandah462, We now know that many of the "teen" girls who have children actually had them when they were age 18 or older. Here is a great example. A Texas CPS worker lied under oath during a court hearing and told about interviewing a 15 year old pregant girl. Well, it turns out that the "girl" is really 27 years old!!
qwertyXYZ23456 3 years ago 3
polygamy is wrong JS lied in several scripts. he has claimed that he never had practiced polygamy. it is a sad mind game. if the roots of the church are bad so it the tree and the branches and the fruit. mormans a polythiestic. they are NOT in any way christians.
Ariellethepianist 3 years ago
Amanda, I would like my freedom to feed your ass with apples coz my self-founded religion tells me so. It's called "feed the double dibit IQ holders who need a grand bullshit to sublimate their inferiority complex"
krftwrk77 3 years ago
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the guys are horny and the girls act like prostitutes
unmiron 3 years ago
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unmiron 3 years ago
Polygamy is a form of prostitution
unmiron 3 years ago 3
Polygamy makes no sense what so ever!
She can't go and have seven husbands so why should she have to marry a man who has 12 wives?
popsy22 3 years ago 7
The recent FLDS raid has proven that polygamy is institutionalized crime. The proof is simple: a 16-year-old with 4 children. Do the math. She was impregnated before legal age in this country. That's a crime and it's obvioius child abuse. It really is just that simple.
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
Well THAT SHIT HAPPENS IN THE "FREE WORLD" TOO! WHO ARE YOU SHITTING???? ITS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT AND ITS ABOUT CONTROLLING EVERY SECT! SEE YOU CANT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX! AND MORE CHILD ABUSE GOES ON IN THE FUCKING SCHOOL SYSTEM!
JoanneChristie 3 years ago
"Free world" is an interesting choice of words. It's an apt one too. The "shit" that happens to kids in school is more normal interaction betweeen kids. In the polygamy compound it is children being raped and brainwashed by adults. It you don't see the difference you are a lost cause.
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
God Help these children
sonofoyah 3 years ago
But God supports polygamy. Read your bible. Don't get me wrong, I don't support polygamy, but I can't argue against it using the bible.
Captain077 3 years ago
But god is a myth and the bible was written by men so they could control women, animals and really stupid ppl like you...!
Now go pray to your imaginary friend you brainwashed halfwit.
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
Your personal belief is yours, and I'm fine with that. It is sad however that you have to degrade yourself by calling anyone who disagrees with you stupid without any evidence or reason to back your statement. What do you think that says about your intelligence?
Captain077 3 years ago
Belief in god is a litmus for intelligence and you failed. The lion's share of academia are atheists. Our prisons are filled with christians. There is no question which group is more intelligent. It's ironic you speak of evidence. There is no emperical or rational basis behind religion. You are simply delusional and brainwashed. You just keep searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there.
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
Once again your going off ignorance. Check out expelledthemovie dot com and perhaps you can begin to find a little enlightenment.
Captain077 3 years ago
You prove your ignorance every time you type. As far as your evidence goes I have this to say: We have the fossils. Game over. We win.
To quote Heinlein -
"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
Once again, you stated only an opinion, no evidence to back it. I find it funny though how much athiest imitate other religions, deriving their morals from them. If there is no God, then there is no devine author of right and wrong. Then there is nothing before or after this life. There would be no wrong is racism, rape, supression, stealing, lying, etc. To quote Ted Bundy, "If there is no God, then why can't I make my own rules?"
Captain077 3 years ago
I'm sure it's hard for you to understand but Atheists, indeed humans, do not need religion to be good. Instead, our morality has a Darwinian explanation: altruistic genes, selected through the process of evolution, give people natural empathy. The fact is that atheists are generally good, moral ppl and xtians are the killers, rapers etc. This is proven by who is in our prisons - xtians. Atheists are our college professors and free thinkers. Bundy is a perfect example. He believed in god.
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
But as athiest, you have nothing backing your morality. It's all relative and individual. And no, not all athiest, just as not all Christians are "good moral people", Stalin, who killed 10 million, Polpot killed 20 million. In fact, it is athiest who have the greatest kill record in the history of the world. So much for your morality through genetics.
Captain077 3 years ago
Are these young girls suppost to convince me !?
They were brainwashed from early on in childhood and they will never take us outsiders serious because they think that we are in league with satan.
Poor kids my heart goes out to them.
xXanxiusXx 3 years ago
these people are crazy...
thelime321 3 years ago
Ever heard of inbreed??
ingareinar007 3 years ago
ever heard of grammar?
leitermann 3 years ago
There is nothing wrong with polygamy as long as it is voluntary.
Nature made men adapted for polygamy. You see it on other mammals like lions. One male can inseminate many females, almost one daily.
mcline007 3 years ago 2
I could do way more than one daily
leitermann 3 years ago
Now that Polygamy is in the news because of the Texas "stand off". Why are the Local Yocal Lawmen so concerned about a group of harmless people? Don't they have thousands of illegals and millions of dollars in drugs coming over there border? By the way if you look at the pics of the recent "stand off" you'll observe some First Baptist Church buses "helping" to haul the wayward Polygamist Mormons.Looks like a little Theocracy in El Dorado using their Crony lawmen to go after these harmless people
nomadpowers 3 years ago
How about one wife with more than one husband??? are you ladies down with that too? or are men better than us in your ideals?
brightsmile 3 years ago
can you guys marry outside your race...or are you "whites only communities"??
brightsmile 3 years ago
They are so brainwashed into being subservient. So sad really.
coolbeansmellon 3 years ago
No kidding. What a COINCIDENCE that all of them support the inane views of their parents, eh? This is brainwashing in action.
There is nothing great about a man, woman, woman, woman, woman, woman marriage. Except for the man.
fvertk 3 years ago
It's about as crazy as you supporting your parents in their marriage. If the marriage is with concenting adults, what do you care? It's THEIR marriage, THEIR family, THEIR relationships.
Captain077 3 years ago
Because a 12-year-old is NOT a consenting adult. Some of the girls pulled from the FLDS raid are pregnant children. One girl is 16 and she already has 4 children. If that isn't child abuse I don't know what is...!
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
and yes, a 12 year old is not a concenting adult. Duh! There is a reason why I was spacific when seperating adult from minor. Any 50 year old trying to measure any minor needs to have his padifile butt thrown in jail for a very long time.
Captain077 3 years ago
When you're wrong you really go for it. The irony is palpable. The fact is religion is responsible for more deaths, wars and suffering than any other force in human history. I bet I have a higher moral standard than you do. For instance I'm a vegan because I think factory farms are immoral. Do you eat animals captain? Is the answer is yes then you are guilty of animal abuse. I'm not because I see with my eyes that it's wrong. I don't need a book to tell me so.
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
children of the corn.
NASENT 3 years ago 3
these women are beautiful and advocating polygamy. My pants says, YEAH LETS DO THIS!!! but my conscience says this is wrong. I was not raised up like this, and these confused minded women should not have been raised up like this.
polygamy should only be for mindless sex crazy monkey like lemurs not humans. The concept on concubines is disgusting
mechysonu 4 years ago
would you prefer then to have lawful wives where the women are respected or unlawful girls friends? think of all the problems the world has with cheating and STDs the amount we have to pay for AIDS treatment! Life would be easier if the law would allow people to do things such as plural marriages as it was ordained my god not the church as Christian sects, Jews and Muslims practice it or shall we just be concubines with no rights?
rjlovenu22 3 years ago
Mormans are Christian........
alisseblom 4 years ago
I'm speechless. Women standing up and supporting the concept of polygamy, notwithstanding the fact that they could never take mulitple husbands. While it can be argued (I'm not saying I agree with this argument) that consensual polygamy is acceptable, until a woman can take multiple husbands it is quite simply an outrageous opression of the female sex.
jgireland27 4 years ago
Maybe not. There is one way that it might not be.
DURound 3 years ago
she is part of a different polygamist group... i know here.. i am also in that polygamist group and it has nothing to do with warnne jeffs"the prophet" and for all you haters know shit b4 you dis it cuz you dont know!
meandnobodyelse84 4 years ago
are you really in a plural family?
alisseblom 4 years ago
My bible says for you retards to lick my ass.
RonDog94 4 years ago
Least charismatic speaker ever, wtf
CillitBang 4 years ago
I don't have a problem with this if, most of the time they weren't raping the goverment to raise there children. the average poligamist family takes in $8 in welfare for every 1 dollar of taxes they pay.Thats living your lifestyle on the backs of others. They steal from others to raise there family. God does not want people to steal to provide there for there families. I did't ask you to have more kids than you can support so, I don't want to support them. Stop bleeding the beast.
Ahwatukee32 4 years ago
YOu do understand that more monogomy relationships take in more money than that. Their was a statistic of AFrican Americans on the east coast now those numbers were high.
dragoonthief 4 years ago
why are you so worried about $8 for every $1 when the government is spending nearly a trillion dollars overseas and not spending it here taking care of this country?
This whole tax shit is a fraud anyway! This is why we need someone like Ron Paul so he can abolish the IRS and let us keep our money we make! if the government wouldn't steal our money then people wouldn't need government assistance!
janilee7 4 years ago
Do me a favor there Ahwatukee32 and tell me where u get this figure that polygamist are recieving welfare. You should state figures of single moms raping us of tax dollars. Failing to get married- free sex isn't really free or deciding marriage isn't right. I see very few polygamist getting divorces or not supporting their family. When problems with money come church or community they are in support. PLEASE, PLEASE post that link to how polygamist are raping the government!!!
tophawk68 4 years ago
she's cute
midrest778 4 years ago 2
i dont understand why people who want to hate actually take the time to type in Pologamy or what not and watch the video obviously its appealing to you on some sort of level if its "so horrable and so bad" why watch (becasue its not) :) Way to go Amanda
SLCJuggsalette 4 years ago
I watch these videos to attempt to understand how someone with a brainwashed mind get's across their ideas. I find it sickening that people actually believe in this crap. The only thing that 'appeals' to me is waiting for a report that Warren Jeffs has been stabbed to death by someone, and his web of sick and twisted fundamental beliefs being taken apart by anything.
How can anyone support that man? He forced a 14 year old girl to marry her first cousin.
Sephra44 4 years ago
Again, Jeffs has been equated with this girls upbringing. Are Europeans supposed to equate your marriage and family life with that of the OZZY Osborn family? All polygamists do NOT share a monolithic experience. Last time I checked, Hugh Heffner did not chum with Warren Jeffs, and neither are Mormon (though one says he is.)
Z8nate 4 years ago
Joseph Smith would consider Warren Jeffs mormon...who are you to say he isn't? also, Hugh Heffner is NOT married, idiot.
GeneralRelativist 4 years ago
Heffner IS a polygamist dullard! He lives the lifestyle. And who are you to say Jeffs is Mormon? Joseph Smith accepted no splinter groups.
Z8nate 4 years ago
Judging by the written word of Joseph Smith, the FLDS are actually NOT the splinter group, though they were the minority and got overpowered by the true splinter group. Heffner IS NOT a polygamist, you are ignorant, he has 7 girlfriends. Not wives.
GeneralRelativist 4 years ago
You can't tell me the government recignizes Jeffs wives as such. As far as the Gov. is concerned they ARE girlfriends. No recignized authority married them, otherwise he could be hauled to jail just for that. So practically, what's the difference between Jeffs and Heffner as far as marital status goes? BTW Joseph Smith was into CONTINUEING revelation. He of all folks understood that principle.
Z8nate 4 years ago
Lol..yea we're done here. You're comparing Heff and Jeffs' marital status..that in itself just blows my mind...night man, hope Joseph tucks you in snug tonight.
GeneralRelativist 4 years ago
My point doesn't have so much to do with Mormonism vs. Christianity as it does with Mormonism vs. God's Word.
No matter how you were brought up, and no matter how well adjusted you are, if something is against God's word then it is wrong, no matter if you are well adjusted or not.
And just because this video shows polygamy in a certain light does not mean that there is a dark side. (Anyone heard of Warren Jeffs?)
tjhammond 4 years ago
So, ther's no such thing as a dark side of a monagomist marraige? Is that really what you want to argue? I know a lot of infadelities, divorce, phycalogical and physical abuses go on in 'classic' marriages too. In far greater numbers to boot.
And as far as 'God's Word,' it's not so clear cut. You define it a certain way while others define it differently. Each has basis in scripture. That's why there is more than one Faith sprouting from the Bible.
Z8nate 4 years ago
But if you look at God's original plan for marriage (Adam & Eve) You will see that God created one man for one wife.
BTW, problems happen more often in conventional marriages because there are a whole lot more of them. Per capita however I'm sure there are many more problems with Polygamist marriages.
tjhammond 4 years ago
polygamy has been the mode of marraige for longer than monogamy has. I'm not a polygamist, nor do I push it on anyone, but to be fair, Abraham was a polygamist. Many Arab families today are polygamist, they don't have high divorce. Many medieval Kings and Lords of Europe were polygamist. Lots of women are willing to be "on the side" for whatever reason today. Every man wants more than one deep, deep down. But we don't, cause of modern conventions and ramifications.
Z8nate 4 years ago
Abraham was a polygamist, and do you see all the war and strife in the present middle east that Abraham has caused?
It's Abraham's fault for not believing God's Word that He woul make Sarah (Abraham's 85+ year old wife) concieve & have a baby.
And again, if you read the Genesis account of marriage the first polygamist was Lamech, Adam's great-grandson (Gen. 4:19). So polygamy did not come about before monogomous marriage.
tjhammond 4 years ago
brainwashed! It's sad to see women (the ones who do the work holding the family together) defending something so non-religious. I agree on one point: they are good looking girlies. Can a lesbian have many wives? cause if so than maybe that will change my mind about polygamy!! Now that would be celestial, don't ya think?
crzysf 4 years ago
They seem to pick the hottest chicks to defend poligamy (I like Jessica and Amanda!!!). They want to make us dream about poligamy. I am phantasyzing with both of them right now...
midrest778 4 years ago