Isaac and the confederate Flag

[darthroden]

No wonder this show is no longer on the air.

[BishopAP]

I've been reading some of the comments here and I have to say that, while I have my own opinions about the subject, I just think it's cool that a show that was canceled years ago can still be relevant enough to create a dialogue about this issue. I think that's a really good thing.

[gjinx712000]

I have grown up in the South and for forty years it has been home, and with God's will it will always be home. The Confederate flag does not bother me at all. But for the ignorant, hateful racists who use it as a symbol of their causes, pick your own banner. I love the South, and will stand and scream at the top of my lungs against those who stereotype us as ignorant and racist, and will scream even louder against those who make people think we are!

[cobra312004]

Maybe I'm alone in this, but my problems with the Confederate flag reaches beyond simple racism. It is a symbol of a time when the greatest nation in the world turned it's guns on itself and nearly destroyed itself. The Civil War is the single ugliest moment in our nation's history and literally turned family members against each other in blood. The Confederate flag is inextricably tied to it for eternity. We can't forget it, but we don't have to give it a place of honor either.

[svvmichael1]

@cobra312004 The Confederate Flag is an emblem of a people who stood up against an overbearing federal gov't that had over-stepped it's constitutional bounds. It deserves a tremendous amount of respect. This show had great writing, but it was so liberally slanted it made it tough to watch. The South was correct in it's reaction to northern bullying. So saying the Confederate Flag is a symbol of racism is a malicious lie. The Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about state's rights.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1 It was about state rights to allow slavery.

Are you kidding.

Are you suggesting the individual states have the right to make any laws they want and the Federal government can't do anything to stop it even though all states signed the Constitution thereby accepting the provision written in that document.

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith At the time, slavery was legal. Disallowing it was NOT one of the 17 enumerated powers of the Nat'l gov't. An amendment to the constitution was needed. Outside of those 17 powers, yes the states have the right to make any laws not SPECIFICALLY denied them by the constitution. Therefore, California is able to make marijuana legal. Now, I suggest you do some reading on the constitution.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1 Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the constitution give us the right of due process,

The only reason that wasn't extended to black people is that they were considered property and therefore the constitution didn't protect them..

Now I demand not suggest you admit you were wrong and that maybe I do know the constitution.

[bornbillsmith]

@bornbillsmith California did not even try to legalize,

They tried to have it declared a drug that can be used for medical purposes and they weren't even successfull in doing that.

.

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith And O'Connor, Thomas, and Rhenquist wrote an opinion saying that the states do have the right to make laws like legalizing/medicalizing marijuana. O'Connor said the USA needs to be "50 laboratories of democracy." Ginsberg, Breyer and the othe leftist idiots failed to understand the Constitution.

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith Ummm, actually you were wrong, quite wrong. I believe you don't know the first thing about the constitution. Slavery was legal at the time-FACT. A constitutional amendment was needed to change that-FACT. The North tried to bypass that and act against prior agreements-FACT. The South was correct in asserting the doctrine of states' rights, and they were correct in seceeding. Most major leaders of the South admitted that slavery was wrong and would end soon-FACT.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1

So tell me why due process or the other rights guaranteed by the constitution did not apply to them.

I really like to know.

[bornbillsmith]

@bornbillsmith I forgot.

Please read the DRED SCOTT decission.

You will see that the only reason they weren't given their rights was because they were looked at as being property and not as being human.

Please do your homework.

by the way I'm 60 years old and what I'm relating things to you I learned over 45 years ago and I just did check my facts and I forgot that the Dred Scott decission was where the principle that due process didn't apply to blacks people came from..

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith BTW, I know the Dred Scott decision. That case proves I am right. Thank you, bye.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1 Only if you accept the notion that the right of due process can be denied because black people aren't human and the only value they have is as property.

I stated this from the very beginning and you still haven't told me how I am wrong.

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith Are you mental? You can't decide the rightness based on 2011 ideals you moron. In 1850-1860 the issue was based on the law at the time. Based on the law at the time, the North was out of line. That is how you are wrong. You really have problems with critical thinking.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1 But that's the point.

Lincoln wanted to change that law and therefore those ideals you say they had were in the process of being changed

How do we change the law.

if you think slavery was wrong and black people are not property then what would you have done if you were the president.

If you follow your logic then the laws will never change and slavery would still be the law of the land.

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith I never said that. You must be a weak mind to stoop to such low-brow tactics. I clearly said the constitution had to be amended. Northern attempts to just pass a law in the 1850's didn't work (Sup Court threw out 2) and was a violation of states rights. States have the right to do anything they want if it isn't specifically forbidden in the Constitution, or one of Congresses 17 enumerated powers. Read the document, you r wasting my time.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmicharl1

There is the concept of due process which is a constitutional right.

Because of the Dred Scott decision black people Were declared to be property. THIS RIGHT OF DUE PROCESS WAS TAKEN FROM THEM. AS A RESULT Black people are human and not just property and that concept isn't a 20th century invention as Lincoln was elected with that platform

The court was wrong to deny black people due process and Lincoln would not have been violating states

by correcting that.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1

The constitution did not have to be amended and the idea that blacks aren't human even then wasn't acceptable and therefore due process had to be given to them as well.

the court was wrong to deny them this right and Lincoln would not have been violating states rights to correct that.situation.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1 There was no need to amend the constitution.

Blacks were being denied their constitutional right to due process.

Enforcing or making laws based on that principle is protecting the constitution and isn't a violation of states rights.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1 mjmmjj

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith Yup, you are dumb.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1 And you are a ignorant racist bastard,

You still haven't told me how black people are nothing but property and how due process

can be denied to them.

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith Well, I have no desire to talk to an idiot. I already beat you. One last time, and I'm done fool, maybe you can learn. In 1850's, they were not persons under law. The Supreme Court even ruled so. Therefore, not entitled to due process. Congress didn't have the power to simply pass a law to change it, a constitutional amendment was needed. But the North was not patient and tried to break the law. Oh, well. That makes you a racist SOB, and a poor excuse for a human. bye.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1

So if the supreme Court stated day was night and night was day you would agree with them .

Your argument is dependent on the south fighting for states rights because the constitution doesn't give the federal government the right to outlaw slavery and that the constitution has to be amended can outlaw slavery...

Lets say Lincoln was able to get this amendment passed and slavery was ended.

Do you really think the south would have gone along and would not have seceded.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1

I'm jewish and my grand mother lost her sisters amnd brothers in the holocaust.

I wonder what you would have done if you were a German.

I wonder what you would do with the Natzi flag after all all the Germans wanted was what belonged to them and Jews were non people so it was O.K. to slaughter them.

Because the holocaust and slavery are exactly the same when you boil it down to its essence.then what you say about one of those two also applies to the other one as well/

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith 1) Slavery and the holocaust are completely different. Anyone trying to put them together is an idiot. Slavery was started by BLACK tribal chiefs who convinced Europeans to take their prisoners. You failed her, and failed badly. Your debating ability is terrible. 2) Slavery is the worst thing that happened to the USA. Without it we'd have very little strife or crime in this country. There would be no racial division since we'd be a nearly homogeneous country like northern europe.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichael1 Both slavery and the Holocaust happened because some people were labeled as something less then human and therefore it was O.K.tov either kill them or enslave them.

Blacks were both killed and enslaved in the south and Jews were killed and also enslaved in Germany.

You really see no difference.

I'm getting tired of you calling me an idiot

I've showed. a pretty good knowledge and understanding of the U.S. constitution..

[bornbillsmith]

@bornbillsmith I did use the computer one time but that was only to find the name of the action that denied due cause to black people.

I didn't remember it was the Dred Scott decision.

I think to make that argument using a memory from a class I took 45 years ago is pretty good.

My history teacher will be proud.even if you are not.

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith because they weren't considered citizens, they were designated as property. Bam, you lose, bye now.

[bornbillsmith]

@svvmichaIt's the other way around.

l1They were considererd less then human and property and then weren't given the rights of citizenship.

Your point makes no sence as there were other people who in this country who weren't citizens but were not considered property and therefore were never enslaved.

[svvmichael1]

@bornbillsmith Wrong, you are putting words in my mouth. It is simple, go take a Geritol, change your Depends and listen. BY LAW (the Constitution) They were not citizens OR free people, they were property. Done, you lose.

[fidelio1980]

The Confederate flag has such a strong association with racism and slavery that it is inextricably linked to racism and slavery. Is everyone who waves it a racist? No, not necessarily - but they clearly aren't bothered by the fact that it's become inextricably linked to racism and slavery.

[darthroden]

@fidelio1980

That is absolute horseshit!

Trust me as a descendant of a Confederate soldier and a supporter of that flag, I can tell you that nearly everyone else who honor it as a living symbol of Southern identity absolutely despises the misuse of that flag by racists groups.

Indeed not only descendant groups like the Sons of Confederate Veterans but their Union counterparts both condemn racist misuse of the flag and actively fight against racists carrying it to promote hatred.

[darthroden]

@fidelio1980

Furthermore, the flag of the USA has has far more scars and stains of slavery and racism than the Confederate battle flag could have have. The US banner has more blood on it, and been misused by most of the same racists more often to promote their evil agenda. Half of the world despises the US flag....

and yet for all that, we can look past those things as Americans and see only the good in it and what it truly means.

So why can't the same courtesy be given to the South's banner?

[TheBoberton]

@fidelio1980

The American flag has such a strong association with racism and slavery that it is inextricably linked to racism and slavery. Is everyone who waves it a racist? No, not necessarily - but they clearly aren't bothered by the fact that it's become inextricably linked to slavery and racism. (80+ years and 100+ respectively)

If the Confederate flag stands for slavery and racism, then the American flag must as well.

[darthroden]

If I were Isaac's boss, I wouldn't fire him...though I would try to convince him he and those players were wrong to think as they do about the flag. I would try and explain that not all history pertaining to that flag is one of bigotry. I would explain that many good people display that flag for no other reason than to identify themselves as Southern.

If he refused to listen, I would simply tell him I support his right to think as he does, but that I disagree, and then that would be that.

[darthroden]

Okay jassmojo, I'll play your game....lets talk reasonably, assuming you have it in you.

I believe specifically that Isaac's speech told only half of the story of that flag, told it in a negative way, and that the end result of it, and other talking points like it only serve racial hatred rather than confronting it. By conceding the Confederate flag that men died under fighting for their homes based on misuse, while ignoring the positive aspects, is the same thing as the desecration of a grave.

[darthroden]

@darthroden

That is not to say that one should forget the past misuses of that flag, far from it. Those misuses should always be remembered, and decent Southerners who honor that flag as a living symbol of their Southern identity should always speak up against any misuse of it for political and racial attacks against their fellow Americans.

I do not hate anyone who fears that flag, but I would do all I can to prove to them that fear is unfounded. The Southern Cross should offend nobody.

[darthroden]

@darthroden

That being said, I believe the only honorable way to end the dispute over the symbolism of the flag would be proper education on the flag's history with real historical facts, both the positive and the negative uses of it, and put it in its proper context.

Removing the flag because of misconceptions and because of fear will serve no cause other than those of the very racist who misuse it. Only by taking back that flag from those racist would any victory over bigotry be assured.

[darthroden]

@darthroden

Very well, I have stated my position jassmojo....now the ball is in your court. Find one contradiction in my logic anywhere and I will consider conceding your point of view.

Well hotshot? I'm waiting....what's your response? Do you have one?

[TheFrogger15]

Great speech by Isaac.

[darthroden]

@TheFrogger15

Great Confederaphobic HATE SPEECH by Issac you mean.

[dave777blaster]

America was one of the last hold outs

to harbor slavery .

The Flag however does not represent slavery.

IT represents a fight to save the rights of states and a fight to keep the banksters and corporations from running America.

"Corporations have been enthroned at the highest levels ,an era of corruption will follow." Circa 1864

The Apoligists have stolen the Song John Brown's body for the Battle hymm

stolen J Brown's ideals to cover the truth with lies.

Lincoln didn't care about slaves

[SEALHopeful28]

hit the nail on the head brother

[ACParker13]

The Confederate Flag is and always will be associated with racism. Its just the way it is.

150 years ago it was the symbol of the south, people will always believe that the north freed the slaves, whether true or not.

But the point Im making with that is the flag was associated with slavery back then and it was/is such a major issue that they will always be linked together.

In the same time frame, so about 80 years from now, you cant expect the Nazi flag/symbol to not have the same affect

[darthroden]

You know ACParker13, its very hard for people to take seriously someone who makes such a morally devoid comparison with no historical or ideological precedent.

Plus you may want to remember that 2000 years ago, the Roman Cross was the ultimate symbol of oppression and slavery....Today, it is recognized as one of the most powerful symbol of forgiveness and love among human beings.

No matter the origins of symbols, their means are defined by the people who honor them.

[ACParker13]

whatever helps you sleep at night

[darthroden]

Oh the truth does...I don't have to rely on going out of my way to trash others to build up my own self esteem.

[darthroden]

ACParker13

You...and every other individual who makes that argument have yet to prove that there is any reasonable way to compare Confederate ideology and Nazi ideology, and by extension prove that both flag are the same.

I am appealing to you as a rational, reasonable human being to make your argument free of profanity and insults and prove to me that there is no difference between the two. Give it your best shot...if you can?

[ACParker13]

ok, settle down

nobody said they were the same

they just represent something that was wrong

therefore will most likely be remembered for that

example.. barry bonds/steroids

the fact they are both symbols of past evil doens't necessarily mean they are synonymous

all i'm saying is people relate them to evil, i'm not saying it's justified or not

people think confederate flag they think slavery. period.

you arguing with me on youtube will not change that.

[darthroden]

No but I do believe that with much effort those who honor the flag will end that misconception. It may take another 150 years but in the end its a fight I think is ultimately worth it to honorably win.

[jazzmojo]

@darthroden Gee, I dunno Skippy...How about that both the Nazi's and the Confederates each committed atrocities against a certain group of people (Jews and Blacks, respectively) whom they viewed as something less than human beings?

[darthroden]

@jazzmojo

How about the fact that you are full of shit.

The Nazis supported National Socialism and the Confederates small government.

To make any sort of comparison of the two is a completely bogus argument...no wonder this show is so damn unpopular now.

[jazzmojo]

The problem with a narrow mind is that it makes it very hard to find the on-ramp again once you've careened off of the main road. No worries though, we'll send a short bus out to pick you up. If your nice to the driver, he might even give you something nice...perhaps a clue would be an appropriate first offering.

[darthroden]

@jazzmojo

Typical Leftist response, when you are confronted with the truth and cannot defend your arguments like a real person you are reduced to character attack...I can read you like a book, and its a small book all in large print at that.

The problem with a mind such as yours that resorts to classifying people and groups to fit your own stereotypes is that eventually you run into anomalies that confound you, so you choose to ignore them.

Of course given your kind, I expected no better.

[darthroden]

@jazzmojo

I knew it, no more comebacks in your arsenal.

[jazzmojo]

@darthroden Close, but no. I choose not to engage in prolonged discussions with people whose grasp of reality is suspect. Anyone who engages in Confederate apologetics is high on that list. Young Earth creationists, Eugenicists, KKK Klavernists, Flat Earth proponents and 9/11 troofers are all high on the list...But, if the sheet fits, feel free to rage against your inner daemons.

[darthroden]

@jazzmojo

Very well, please explain to me how I have failed to grasp any sort of reality on this subject...an actual quote if you will, and I will concede your point, otherwise, like the rest of your little strawman talking points, I will dismiss you as I would any other Cross Burning, Flag Burning, Quran Burning lunatic.

[darthroden]

@jazzmojo

Lets see jassmojo, all I have done is defeated your little Nazi comparison argument, and very easily I might add. Really you lot need much better talking points. Next you will make a lame attempt to explain how a cotton plantation was like a concentration camp, which I will counter with enough historical facts to make you look stupid once again.

Oh no wait, you may actually start in with some direct personal attack right away huh? Some stereotype right from Hollywood?

Im waiting...

[darthroden]

@jazzmojo

Well its been 3 weeks jassmojo...guess you got nothing, typical.

[darthroden]

The Southern Cross has gone beyond its origins as just a Confederate battle flag. It has become a symbol of Southern identity as surely as the shamrock is one of Irish identity.

Since the War for Southern Independence, the flag has been used (granted unofficially) by Southern US troops in every major war from WW1 to Iraq War 2 and The Afghan War even now.

Those men who fight in our supposedly united country under their own unique Southern flag beside the Stars and Stripes have made it more.

[darthroden]

They made it more than just a flag of a "rebellion" that "belongs in a museum"

The only regretful thing was that it was ever allowed to be misused by garbage to advance an evil agenda with little said at the time (and many top historians then DID speak up).

Well, that will never be allowed to happen again! Southerners who honor our OTHER AMERICAN FLAG will never let trash in white sheets parade our sacred banner without confrontation.

That flag will never be theirs! NOT NOW, NEVER AGAIN!

[emaruldkosmima]

anyone know what season/episode this is?

[brainsfallinout26]

The episode is The Six Southern Gentlemen of Tennessee, episode 11, season 1. You can actually find it on Youtube (along with the other 44 episodes of Sports Night) on skip2mylou0's channel.

[djangst]

I gave it 5 and a thumbs down to you.

[garciagar64]

Southern culture? Can't even speak English!

[jerrygofixit]

You Sports Night fanatic! Good job man!

[garciagar64]

And you are a racist asshole!

[coydiddy]

Wow, another popular television show preaching hatred and propaganda toward Southern heritage. Surprise surprise. Let's rip away more Southern culture and replace it with a new culture with force.

[Yellow586]

There is much pride to take in from Southern heritage.

The Confederate flag is NOT one of them. It is a symbol of treason, terror and bigotry of all stripes.

Was Southern Pride being exercised during the Civil Rights protests where the bystanders held Confederate flags as the protests and marches took place?

[taytay73160]

Look, there are people using the American flag at rallies against Hispanics entering our country. Does that make the American flag a hate flag? Are you saying that the American flag is a flag of hate? In the Kloran (the Ku Klux Klan rule book) it states that the American and Christian flags are to always be flown at every meeting with no mention of the Confederate flag.

[nikesk8er10]

@taytay73160 although i thinks its horrible they use they Christian flag the us flag flew over 85 years of legalized slavery the rebel flag didnt. The Confederacy let their slaves go while the usa kept them. America is the one who legalized slavery Abraham Lincoln was a racist and didnt care what happend to blacks

[AwesTex]

@taytay73160 Oh, please. How people choose to use the American flag is not the same as the flag that was flown over the states that broke off from the US and waged war against it in order to keep slavery in place. It's not the same as a flag that was flown by states in opposition to desegregation. It's not the same as a symbol that says that hideous part of our nation's history will rise again. It's a ridiculous comparison. The Confederate flag is a symbol of rebellion and hate. Period.

[darthroden]

The people who misused the Confederate flag during the Civil Rights Era hijacked our heritage and even then there were Southern Heritage defenders who stood up against them!

Try looking up Bell Wiley sometimes, a historian who during the start of the Civil Rights Era spoke out against the misuse of the Confederate flag by sordid individuals who misrepresented it to advance their false prophet ideals.

[Taospark]

Hating that flag doesn't mean you hate the South. Even some Southern blacks see the flag as a symbol against anti-Southern bigotry elsewhere in the country.

But the flag and the ideals it represents were still created by a small and rich group of people who betrayed the Union and send millions of poor white (and black) Southerners to their death in order to preserve not just their "peculiar insitution", as they called it, but their hold on power and that's what makes the flag a lie.

[darthroden]

You sir, are so widely wrong I don't know where to begin....

The flag was neither designed by rich people, it was designed by a South Carolina congressman named Miles who created it as a battle flag to distinguish Southern soldiers in battle due to the unfortunate similarities between the Confederate National flag and the US Flag of the time.

The flag was sewn together by Southern women and given to those Confederate regiments who baptized it in their very blood on a thousands fields.

[Taospark]

I have no doubt the flag itself was not designed by the elite.

The Confederacy, however, was. The decision to secede was so wildly unpopular that rebellions, pun intended, broke out all across the South from West Virginia to the State of Jones to literally every other state. This problem required sizable garrisons by the Confederacy (one reason why Lee was often outnumbered).

Lee and many others fought for Reconstruction against the ideals of the Confederacy afterwards as well.

[darthroden]

If by Reconstruction you mean the rebuilding of the Southern cities and the restoration of war damage, then yes Lee did.

If by Reconstruction, you mean railroad barons and Carpetbaggers robbing people destitute by the war and intimidating them with eviction and often murder, then I assure you Lee did not!

Also its true not everyone South of the Mason-Dixon line wasn't in favor or independence, however not everyone North of it supported the destruction of States Rights or Federal Imperialism.

[Taospark]

...except the Confederacy was not for states' rights. Jefferson Davis himself stated as when faced with the rebellions in the Confederacy.

Yes, the South is a great place that has produced great Americans, but the Civil War wasn't about independence, it was about preserving what the Southern elite had.

They fought in the bounds of the Supreme Court and Congress right up until they attacked Fort Sumter, when they decided to put their interests about the South's interests, and failed.

[darthroden]

They didnt fight for slavery for slavery's sake as far as the Missouri Compromises and all those other things.

Read between the lines man. It was about the power of those Northeasterners who wanted to expand the power of the Federal Government beyond those of the 10th Ammendment.

Slavery was a dying institution. Even if the South had won, they had no other places to expand slavery.

They would have if there had been a way to compensate slaveowners...which Lincoln did in fact offer!

[Taospark]

The fact that slavery was dying is exactly why they started the Civil War, annexed both Texas and Florida and considered taking over Cuba and parts of Central America for their interests.

Mississippi was one of the richest states in the Union due to the demand for cotton while the North was just becoming industrial.

The Southern elite not only stuck with but USED the federal government to defend slavery for 80 years until they felt cornered and lashed out costing nearly a million lives.

[darthroden]

Dude (or is it Ma'am?)

Slavery back then was a moral issue that is roughly the modern equivalent of the Abortion debate, with the lunatic Abolitionists as the anti-abortionists with their own Paul Hill/John Brown.

It was only one issue and though a hot-button one, far from the only reason between ideologies, such as Conservatism and Progressive Liberalism.

[Taospark]

It wasn't a moral issue for the Southern elite, it was a practical one. Slavery was how they made money and was where their wealth was tied up.

The abolition of slavery meant their collapse and that they'd have to pay poor whites or blacks to tend the fields.  Having an actual payroll tends to eat into your profits.

It's why the Civil War was started. As for abolitionists, they certainly were not crazy. John Brown, Frederick Douglass, and the man who wrote Amazing Grace were all quite sane.

[darthroden]

John Brown was not sane! He supported an armed rebellion against the US Government (which you claim to be such a bad thing I should point out).

Fredrick Douglass was a man who supported a war that destroyed half the country, murdered nearly a million citizens, and ultimately led a corrupt Republican Party to create the very situation that spawned the KKK.

People who support murder and destruction are not sane. Wars are not noble and anyone who has actually seen war knows its nothing but evil!

[Taospark]

John Brown was quite sane, even according to then Virginia Governor Wise, and fought at personal risk to free slaves. Frederick Douglass advocated a peaceful solution whereas it was the Confederacy's leaders who precipitated the war despite an economic embargo and an industrial disadvantage.

I support your right to interpret the Stars and Bars as you see fit and hope you will erase the fingerprints of those who created then besmirched the flag but it doesn't mean we should forget either.

[darthroden]

I thank you for that much at least. And no I don't believe we should forget the misuses of the battle flag (not the Stars and Bars that's the first National CSA flag...easy misconception, don't feel bad). To forget them would be to allow the same crimes to be committed twice.

I do not want it forgotten that people misused it to intimidate people, I just hope those same people can learn to distinguish between those who honor men and those who hate and not lump the flag with both.

[SpookeyR]

I do believe that you left out "Isaac (I don't know the characters last name) - Robert Guillaume"

Isaac is right!!

Robert Guillaume is one of the finest and one of the most UNDERATED actors of our age. Give him the credit that he deserves!!

[LuxLisbon79]

I love this episode of Sports Night. Aaron Sorkin really knows how to do a Christmas episode!

[darthroden]

As long as the KKK misuses the flag and the NAACP fights to give it to them, I will fight along with my fellow Southerners to restore and defend the true meaning of the Southern Cross:

Heritate, Honor, Homeland!

Deo Vindice!

[kickittome70]

I think it's weird how many male jews make it to acting/producing/directing roles,but much fewer jewish women. Why? The other classic stereotype is the jewish man and the knock out anglo-woman as an on screen couple. Why not a jewish woman and an african american man couple portrayed on screen?Brando had a point about hollywood Jews - they talk about tolerance, but in reality, they're not a race - but more an exclusive tribe that you need to be born into. And damm you if you're not one of them.

[whatiwasgoingtosay]

Wow, that's so ignorant.

[garciagar64]

I found very interesting and inteligent what you posted. Yes Hollywood is owned by Jews, and must of America. Brandon was right when he his commend. It was wrong that he had to apologize. In fact the world is dominated by the Jews. I'm a Jew. I don't dominate anything.

[garciagar64]

The point is: If you study, and study, and study, and study, eventually you will be recognize and advance in life. We Jew do that. We take of our families, our friend, our work, our studies and ou God. While everybody is at local club, or cruising in your fancy pick ups, we are doing our thing. We also improve life, in order to make money. I sell you something that will improve your everyday life.

[garciagar64]

Finally, besides Madoff, there are not many of us in jail. Have you notice that? Therefore, study, study, study.

[jb420]

sports night! on csc, so stick around

i love this show. and basically anything sorkin does.

[hollywoodwerewolf]

Lookit the girl from Sliders being a mini-boss!

Good scene. Great show. Didn't need the laugh track.

[mongomondomongo]

This is one of my favorite scenes of one of my favorite shows. Aaron Sorkin is amazing. Let's pretend Studio 60 never happened :)

[rebelracing88]

Fuck this liberal Commie bullshit! Keep it flying, you don't like it then don't look at it! Southern Pride forever

[ajmisfit]

We don't like looking at it. So we get it removed. American Pride takes precedence over regional pride.

[rebelracing88]

Go fuck yourself yankee. We have the right to fly that flag. Regional pride over American pride. We don't like looking at your flag either, that's why we and half the world burn it. Don't like it then stay up north you stupid yankee jackass!

[MaryscottOConnor]

Boy, howdy, you really like displaying your ignorance in all SORTSA ways, dontcha, boy?

[rebelracing88]

Thanks for replying to a comment I left three months ago. Get a life. You don't like what I write then keep to yourself.

[MaryscottOConnor]

Um, no, sorry, that's not the way it works in real life. That's why they have comment AND reply buttons. I see that whole remedial reading thing didn't work out for you. But you know what they say -- try, try again.

[rebelracing88]

You still have no life. The fact that you reply to comments left three months ago that don't concern you is startling. Have a nice day.

[MaryscottOConnor]

The fact that you see no irony in the fact that you're replying to replies to your comments from 3 months ago is more than a little amusing.

[rebelracing88]

Keep telling yourself that. I'm not going to argue with some, probably, 30 year old dude that's got nothing better to do than play on youtube. And as far as ignorance goes, it's ignorant to make fun of other people's heritage when people like you no nothing about it. Now granted us southerners are not perfect, but you yankees, aint any better. I was simply venting my frustration on my heritage being wrongfully attacked.

[MaryscottOConnor]

Boy, you can't RESIST responding and responding, can you? And sweetheart, I know more about your heritage than you do. You know why? Because I can read. Your heritage isn't being "wrongfully" (sic) attacked -- it's being PROPERLY attacked. And as long as there are good ole boys out there like you ready to stick your heads out of their holes to DEFEND this shit, there will be people like me ready to take aim and fire -- yes, even "three months later."

[rebelracing88]

Keep telling yourself that yankee. And you wander why the whole world hates y'all! By the way when you bust on me for responding, you contradict yourself because you started the whole thing! YA JACKASS! Why don't you get off your fat 40 year old ass and get a life you yankee piece of shit! And by the way, I'm gonna say something the whole world wants to tell you yankees. Fucy you! Fuck your heritage! Fuck your govenment! So drop dead bitch!

[MaryscottOConnor]

Yes, but, you see, I'M not the one who COMPLAINED about the responses, sweetcheeks.

Someone with the intellectual capacity of a plank of wood aiming what he thinks are devastating ZINGERS at me; cute.

You are, doubtless, someone who wakes up in the morning and brushes his tooth; consider me bereft in the face of your derision.

I'm sure you think you wounded me deeply and thought you'd have the last word; so in order not to disappoint -- BLAST me with that coda, bubba.

[rebelracing88]

Keep telling yourself that, whatever makes you feel better about your sad pathetic self. I'm not arguing anymore with someone who's dumb enough to insult themself. Please respond to this, I need another good laugh.

[whatiwasgoingtosay]

What century are you living in?

[rebelracing88]

I live in this one. And as long as ignorant people attack my heritage, because a bunch of dumbass rednecks miss use the symbol of my heritage, I will continue to defend it and tell the truth behind the Confederate flag.

[whatiwasgoingtosay]

The swastika wasn't invented by the Nazis, either, but most of the educated world understands that it is an offensive symbol because of its connection to history and they don't go tattooing it on themselves or putting stickers on their pickup trucks. I grew up in the South and that is not my heritage. Because first and foremost, I grew up in America. I guess my question is-- why isn't the American flag good enough for you?

[rebelracing88]

Listen, I said what I said about the American flag because I get upset when people trash the flag of my heritage, and try to make the American flag a saint practically. The US flag has represented many horrible travesties that have happened in this world, that's why so many people burn it. I don't dislike the US flag, but when people trash the Confederate flag and make the US flag a saint is when I get pissed. As far as the sawstika goes, the Egyptians came up with it originally.

[whatiwasgoingtosay]

Yes, I know that about the swastika, and in fact, that was my point.

And I understand that about the American flag, as well. I don't lionize either flag, because flags aren't that important to me. My heritage isn't summed up in any flag.

My main point is that it doesn't make sense to make something that is so offensive to so many the symbol of your heritage. We should remember that time in our history, but not through that flag, because it causes division whether you like it or not.

[rebelracing88]

I couldn't agree with you more, the Confederate flag does cause division between Americans. But it causes that because the flag has been misused, and I want to try and spread the truth about the flag and what it stands for. It doesn't represent everything about my heritage, but it is an important symbol. The fact being that my family fought for the Confederacy and we were yeoman farmers with no slaves. So when people call me racist an ignorant it really offends me, and many other southerners.

[darthroden]

It offends me when Im called a racist because I fly my Confederate flag in memory of my ancestor.

[rebelracing88]

I know how you feel, welcome to my world. As far as I'm concerned the US flag is more racist than the Confederate flag is. Under the US flag the, American Indians, Chinese, Irish, and Italians were all discriminated against. It was also the flag flying on the US ships that brought the slaves into New York City.

[darthroden]

I dont know, why isnt the American flag good enough for those Mexican immigrants who come here and still fly the flag of Mexico on American soil? Funny I don't hear you making that comparison.

Why is the South flying the Confederate flag any different from Scotland flying the St. Andrews Cross, or French Canadians flying the flag of Quebec?

Furthermore, the Confederate Southern Cross IS AN AMERICAN FLAG, or maybe that doesn't compute with your narrow view of the world.

[garciagar64]

Then, read and learn asshole!

[darthroden]

We do read and we can learn, we don't live with out heads shoved up our asses, nor are we the mind-numbed PC robots that you are.

Southerners are individuals, the last true minority in this country!

[darthroden]

Well here's another popping up dude!

Know this, anyone who thinks the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism because some clowns in bedsheets MISUSE it are themselves allied to an idea that white supremacists advocate...namely that the Battle Flag is their symbol.

If you stand with honorable descendants of Confederate soldiers (of all Races and Religions) who fight to take our symbol back from hate then you stand up for it.

If you choose otherwise, you CHOOSE to stand with hate and ignorance!

[darthroden]

Also if indeed you claim to know so much more about Confederate heritage and history than a person who actually lives in the South and who had an ancestor who died in the War Between the States, then you obviously know that men of ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS (including African, Native, Hispanic and Jewish Americans) fought and died under it. The records for those facts are all in State archives and pension records available online and through mail.

[darthroden]

Now having explained those things to you, explain to me and to everyone here how you can willingly justify the continued MISUSE of the Southern Cross battle flag and allow hate groups to MISAPPROPRIATE it to justify their own hollow existences?

Would it not be more devastating to such hatemongers to discredit their use of it and restore its meaning as one of Southern identity and the diversity of the Southern people as a whole?

[CrosslegLuke]

What the Hell is American Pride The only one that has the right to that is the Indians Not u Yanks and Not us confeds We Have he only True Pride

[nikesk8er10]

@ajmisfit fuck the american flag when i burn it its fabric burns in vain i live in the Confederate States of America

[kickittome70]

Fuckin a right, but welcome people of any colour doing the right thing.

[Joseph565112]

Indeed. That poor fool doesnt have a clue about American history. Whats truly sad is that though this is just a show many many people believe the same lies he spoke of in his speech.

[scrwsystem4evr]

Confused man

[ehnotsomuch]

Absolutely play of the year. God, I love this speech.

[dennisfrymire]

Gosh...how 'bout that show, huh?

[swampfoxx81]

thank god this show went off the air. it sucked doo doo

[HeritageNotHateProd]

Eagle Feather said it best:

Seven Native Nations were allied with the Confederacy. They were NATIVE AMERICAN The last Confederate Army to surrender was the Army of The Cherokee Nation!

The first SIAMESE TWINS were with the Confederacy. They were ASIAN!

MANY MANY JEWS were Confederate. Like Judah P. Bengamin. The only Jewish Military Cemetary outside of Israel is a Jewish Confederate Cemetary in Richmond!

[mmace91]

The first documented case of Siamese twins was in 945 AD. And by Many Many Jews, do you mean 25? Because that's about how many are in that cemetery. Many more Jews fought on the Union side. And by the way his name Judah P. Benjamin.

[HeritageNotHateProd]

They coined the term "siamese" twins! Your talking about the first documented "conjoined" twins.

[billycargo]

This is another reason to boycott hollywood. I can understand some people's misgivings about the confederate flag b/c it has been smeared by the propaganda of hate groups. But the ignorance which hollywood presumes and caters to in the American populace has a lot to do with how people form their opinions of the world. That is if they don't read books...and I ain't talkin' fiction.

[HeritageNotHateProd]

Confederate Memeorial Days and heritage months depend upon what state you live in, and yes Americans do wear Poppys on Veterans Day. Veterans Day used to be Armistice Day to just celebrate WW1 veterans. But they changed it to Veterans Day to celebrate ALL Veterans. So Confederate Veterans were inluded because they are veterans of the Current U.S. and the past C.S.

[jazzmojo]

Confed: I saw your request to Top to take this video off on Veterans Day as somehow being an "injustice" to confederate soldiers. I'm not sure if you noticed, but Top is from the UK. Her Veterans Day is in June, not November. Moreover, the US Veterans Day is to remember those who fought in the United States military. The confeds fought against the US military, not with the US military. You need to pick a very different day to honor your dead.

[tophatobsessional]

ah yeh we have rememberance sunday in november, which this year turned out to be the 11th as well

2 mins silence at 11 and lots of poppy wearing

do you have poppys in america?

[jazzmojo]

I LIVE on Poppy Drive, does that count? I don't know much about the rituals around our ceremonies but I can't recall seeing poppys in significant enumeration. Tell you what, gimme a year, I'll get back to you with a report.

[tophatobsessional]

i'll wait on that report :)

over here come november every tv presenter/guest on shows all wear poppies

and most ppl on the street

[darthroden]

@jazzmojo

Actually there IS a separate Confederate Memorial Day in various Southern States in the United States of America.

Though Confederate soldiers are recognized by the US Department of Veterans Affairs and by Every US Veterans Organization as American soldiers and deserving of all honors granted to servicemen.

[755aaron]

"Where else on the face of the Earth do the losers get to fly their flag as if they had won?"

- Julian Bond to the NAACP, 2000

Amazing how anyone can speak for others, telling them what symbols represnt them.

[HeritageNotHateProd]

The Confederate Flag represents ALL Southerners.

~~~Heritage Not Hate Productions~~~

[ConfederateBrave]

And THOUSANDS of BLACKS fought and died under the CONFEDERATE FLAG. If you don't believe me look HERE: southernheritage411 . c o m I sight run by the decendent of BLACK CONFEDERATE VETERANS.

[ConfederateBrave]

Seven Native Nations were allied with the Confederacy. They were NATIVE AMERICAN The last Confederate Army to surrender was the Army of The Cherokee Nation!

The first SIAMESE TWINS were with the Confederacy. They were ASIAN!

MANY MANY JEWS were Confederate. Like Judah P. Bengamin. The only Jewish Military Cemetary outside of Israel is a Jewish Confederate Cemetary in Richmond!

[ConfederateBrave]

The man at the end of this video should be ashamed of his hateful comments. He said "to ask young black men and women, young Jewish men and women, Asians, Native Americans, to ask americans to walk beneath its shadow is a humiliation"

Little does he know men of all those races fought and DIED for it's shadow.

For example my gg grandfather was a cherokee confederate who died under that flag.

[ConfederateBrave]

The man at the end of this video should be ashamed of his hateful comments. He said to ask young black men and women, young Jewish men and women, Asians, Native Americans

[heb1956]

Typical hypocritical slant used by Southern detractors, castigate and belittle someone you wish to gain favor with who has done nothing to harm you. Such nonsense makes me want to puke!

[ConfederateBrave]

If the North really was fighting to abolish slavery then why didn't they free the slaves under their control, and why did they wait until 1862 to free the slaves in the CSA? (which they had no control over by the way)

---Eagle Feather

[ConfederateBrave]

And the U.S. Constitution did? At the Time of the war the U.S. and C.S. Constitutions were virtually the same other then the fact that the C.S. Constitution outlawed the Slave trade. It wasn't until after the war that the U.S. Constitution freed U.S. slaves.

Who First Legalized slavery?

The Northern Colony of Massachusetts.

Who last freed their slaves?

The Northern State of Delaware in 1901.

---Eagle Feather

[755aaron]

Your claim: ''Who last freed their slaves? The Northern State of Delaware in 1901.''

(1) There were no slaves in America after ratification of the 13th amendment in December, 1865.

(2) Kentucky voted to ratify the 13th amendment in 1976.

(3) Mississippi voted to ratify the 13th amendment in 1995.

You owe Delaware and the United States of America an apology. In the future, it'd be best if you weren't so sloppy with the truth.

- joe

[ConfederateBrave]

SPLC = Poverty Pimps

[ConfederateBrave]

The Confederate Battle Flag represents all Southern, and even Northern, Confederates regardless of race or religion and is the symbol of less government, less taxes, and the right of the people to govern themselves. It is flown in memory and honor of our Confederate ancestors and veterans who willingly shed their blood for Southern independence.

[larrymcg421]

Don't forget to point out one of the areas where they didn't believe in states rights: slavery. That's right. The Confederate constitution did not allow the individual states to ban slavery. States rights my ass.

[ConfederateBrave]

This clip is incredibly to the Tsalagi (cherokee) people. We fought and died for our Independence under the Confederate flag just like every other race on the planet, including blacks.

[demononion]

I was partly raised in the South, I'm half southern and this does me PROUD!!! Beautifuly put and I miss this show.

[kittyprydex]

Oh, man. Dan. This man would open a vein for Isaac. I just watched the "Jeremy's hunting experience" clip and I think it's neat to see Isaac in different shoes. He's not a static character; he's got just as many issues and problems dealing with those issues as anyone. Man, when she tells him that Luther is on the phone, and he goes to take it, that's like a man walking to the gallows with his chin up.

[ThisSongIsForTheRats]

I love your Sports Night videos. Please keep them coming! :]

[tophatobsessional]

thanks ;D

i should be able to do another one tomorrow or weds :)

[cacacacosa]

why the fck is a part of the comment missing? the whole comment was: omg... danny and his red shirt!! *drool*. great scene as usual! thanx 4 sharing!! isaac is really great in this one, and danny too, of course, sooo cute! like "i could really kiss him in the mouth right now"! lol! thanx!

[tophatobsessional]

lol yeh dan was cool :D isaac did a great job

[cacacacosa]

omg... danny and his red shirt!! *drool*. great scene as usual! thanx 4 sharing!!