In fact... Now that I went back and looked at the film's OP transformation sequence, I'm pretty sure you didn't see the head forming out of several pieces, but rather folding upward from behind other pieces. It's really not so unbelieveable as you think.
You can plainly see it when we see Prime transform for the first time in the last trailer. They make it out of several pieces that fold into place strictly for the sake of making it look pretty instead of right.
This works for the cartoons and the comics, but for a huge, action-oriented movie it just... I dunno... It falls short. Optimus doesn't have that formidable, advanced look at all. He's bulky and blocky... And for some reason, I find that this detracts from the believability. The only reason people want this kind of transformation in the newer movies is because of a sense of nostalgia.
Does it fall short because it's not overloading the senses? Part of the fun of TFs is seeing how they transform. In the movie, it looks like they just turn inside-out then right-side-out again.
Yes, he IS bulky and blocky, just like every other Cybertronian up until now. Why should the movie be different and how is this less believable if we see nothing but him just standing here?
People want this kind of transformation because it's mechanically correct. THIS is how a truck changes into a robot.
That's not true. Watching the film you can actually see how each and every piece fits together. This on the other hand expects one to just believe that the head is somehow concealed facing downward and that hands just pop out where there's no storage space. I don't see what the problem is with the films OP transformation sequence except that it does not satisfy the sense of nostalgia that some people feel. I'd go on, but I'm running out of characters. :p
What's wrong with it is that it's destroying the sense of realism that Bay so desperately sought to achieve. You may think it unbelievable that Prime's head popping out from inside the cab is unrealistic, but it's even LESS realistic when it folds out of a dozen or so pieces in the movie. I'll give you that there's a bit of mass-shifting in this Prime's hands (if we want to go so realistic as to not include that :P), but if it went the way of the Masterpiece line, that wouldn't be an issue.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. If these are supposed to be super advanced, DNA-based robots, able to rearrange themselves enough to even fit into a shape like the animation above, I don't see why it's such a stretch to believe that they can fold individual parts of their bodies, like their head, which, BTW, I'm not sure is what you see happening.
It's a huge stretch because as complicated as any android is, it's designed as simplistically as it can possibly be so as to not waste precious time or energy in doing whatever task it was built to achieve. These creatures should by their very nature want to opt for as simple (yet effective) a transformation as possible without hindering their dexterity. The of the TFs in the movie however were made to be so overly complicated that they were pushed into being props instead of real characters. :S
lol you never quit do you, ask random people which transformation they prefer. This one or the one in the bay movie. I think they will chose the 10 sec masterpiece in the movie.
Don't say "masterpiece", because I'm just going to get it confused with THIS pretty little number. :P
watch?v=tZC7MS4qsK4
I'll concede that people will probably say they prefer the Bay version over this old school version (mostly because all THIS Prime does is stand up and the color scheme is off), but I'm seeing more positive response being directed at the Prime here watch?v=Sad0wmAcRzQ than in the movie.
I think this would have been cooler in the movie.. because it is more like the cartoon and it still looks convincing.. the movie made so many little adjustments in the robots when transforming....
dude this is a real nice vid but i still think the movie version is the best and most ralistic i mean cmon? if ya saw a cab like the g1 what would u think of it? its never been seen anywhere else on earth so.... oh yeah they just made it plus i like the new flame scheme. this is my opinion dont bitch to me about how u like g1 better please
The movie transformations are so far from being realistic it's not even funny. If I saw this cab, I wouldn't even give it a second look because it looks like a piece of crap; just like the Autobots would WANT us to do. You can't hide if you're covered in a crazy, shiny flame paint job with lights coming out of every pore.
For anyone who likes transformations like the movie, click on my name and look for my pirate ship transforming video. If you like oldschool transformations, eh, watch it anyway.
No, it's real. We're supposed to be dazzled by the surprising dexterity of these blocky characters and how they emote on screen, not by how many millions of pieces they're made of (especially since conventional rules of machinery would dictate that most of those pieces are neatly covered up anyway).
no way, this shoulda been in the movie, its to simple, too predictable, to bulky, maybe for a one hour animted cartoon movie in 3d, but im pretty sure if they had this guy in the movie, ppl might not have been so interested, it looks like hes to heavy to move, but other then that its pretty cool :)
Of course he looks too heavy to move. Then you finally DO see him move around and that's what blows your mind (not how shiny he is or how many millions of parts he has).
Why would people lose interest seeing this? It's more interesting than seeing every piece on the TFs get tossed around at random until it forms their robot mode. With a more simplistic form like this, it would also allow them the proper amount of screentime to be used as CHARACTERS, not background props.
i would have to agree with fallen4life, you can't seriously expect any YOUNG people to find this design intresting to watch..it looks like boxes. don't you see how many new fans this movie has created! have you seen "mirasol twins" do you think we would have seen any of their great stop motions if optimus looked like 1980's
"you can't seriously expect any YOUNG people to find this design intresting to watch"
Why not? Imagine this design for Prime in the movie (in red & blue, of course), but keep everything else EXACTLY the way it is. Aside from Prime using less time to transform, how does it alter the movie for the worse?
"don't you see how many new fans this movie has created!"
I see them. I just don't understand why they exist. :S If I wasn't already a fan, this movie would make me think TF is retarded.
why would it make you feel transformers is retarded, because it has CHANGED, did you see the speed racer movie, people hated because it LOOKED too much like a cartoon! the speed racer movie was exactly like the cartoon and was hated for that!
I haven't seen Speed Racer in either medium, so all I can do is take your word for it.
I can accept change, so long as it's still the property it's supposed to be. I.E.-Tim Burton's Batman VS. Chris Nolan's Batman. They're both different, but still the same character.
The movie would make me feel like Transformers is retarded because the writing is juvenile, the TFs as characters are meaningless, and the humans don't even need the Autobots' to help fight the Decepticons, so what's the point?
NOW I'm getting somewhere? I've been saying this ever since the movie came out. :S
Did it need to be a G1 movie? No, not at all. If it needs to be a G1 movie, it's only because they used so many G1 characters (including the Witwickies) that don't appear in other incarnations, and they used Peter Cullen to reprise his role as Optimus Prime. Any talented voice actor could have played him, but if Cullen is used, only THEN does it need to be a G1 movie.
i see you like a good argument just as much as I do...riddle me this.."if" the voice actor from the spiderman 90's cartoon "actually looked" like spiderman and they casted him in the movie, do you think for THAT reason alone, they would have used the mechanical web shooters, even if its IMPRACTICAL, for a college student to be able to make it. C'mon man, some sort of logic must be applied.
A. The voice actor who did Spider-Man isn't anywhere NEAR as iconic as Cullen's Prime.
B. Peter Parker was a genius. If the script called for artificial web-shooters (although it does make more sense to make them part of his power set), they could have done it in such a way to make it believable.
Since we're apparently talking about Marvel heroes now, the treatment of Iron Man is what they needed to do with TF; obviously update it, but still keep it in the same vein as the source material.
let's not mix metaphors here. iron man is a super hero..a HUMAN wearing a suit, so elements like certain vehicles becoming outdated doesn't count.
And also how can you compare the variation in a SUIT as compared to a full fledged ROBOT.
note my comparisms are only in the response to the "it should look like g1" argument, not the FACT that the movie had a weak story..i think that the juvenility of the plot is without question.
I'm not even talking about the "outdated" vehicles. I'm talking about how needlessly complicated they made the robots.
"how can you compare the variation in a SUIT as compared to a full fledged ROBOT."
Very easily. They somehow made Iron Man look realistic (which is even harder than a Transformer, considering how much bulkier the suit would have to be to cover a human body), and they still made him look almost exactly like the comic Iron Man, and it was great. Couldn't the do the same for TFs?
"have you seen "mirasol twins" do you think we would have seen any of their great stop motions if optimus looked like 1980's"
Given their extensive talents in stop-motion, I would sure as hell HOPE so. The toys are WAY more dumbed down (and realistic) than their movie counterparts. You'd really not look at it if it were the same thing, but with movie classic-looking toys (with the same articulation and animation potential)?
common, do you really think the kids of today would get into this "fat"design, that's just biased, while i can't say i am particularly fond of his movie appearance, to expect him to look like THIS is a stretch
Optimus Prime
lujankody 2 years ago
i expected a lot more of this
pleisterbouwer 3 years ago
In fact... Now that I went back and looked at the film's OP transformation sequence, I'm pretty sure you didn't see the head forming out of several pieces, but rather folding upward from behind other pieces. It's really not so unbelieveable as you think.
ConnellxSilverfur 3 years ago
You can plainly see it when we see Prime transform for the first time in the last trailer. They make it out of several pieces that fold into place strictly for the sake of making it look pretty instead of right.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
nah that's what Ultra Magnus would look like (without his trailer-armor that he's usually seen wearing).
blackseraphmike 4 years ago
wow
it is like
an anology
of how u ( and me) can transform our lives
Energyium 4 years ago
This works for the cartoons and the comics, but for a huge, action-oriented movie it just... I dunno... It falls short. Optimus doesn't have that formidable, advanced look at all. He's bulky and blocky... And for some reason, I find that this detracts from the believability. The only reason people want this kind of transformation in the newer movies is because of a sense of nostalgia.
ConnellxSilverfur 4 years ago
Does it fall short because it's not overloading the senses? Part of the fun of TFs is seeing how they transform. In the movie, it looks like they just turn inside-out then right-side-out again.
Yes, he IS bulky and blocky, just like every other Cybertronian up until now. Why should the movie be different and how is this less believable if we see nothing but him just standing here?
People want this kind of transformation because it's mechanically correct. THIS is how a truck changes into a robot.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
That's not true. Watching the film you can actually see how each and every piece fits together. This on the other hand expects one to just believe that the head is somehow concealed facing downward and that hands just pop out where there's no storage space. I don't see what the problem is with the films OP transformation sequence except that it does not satisfy the sense of nostalgia that some people feel. I'd go on, but I'm running out of characters. :p
ConnellxSilverfur 3 years ago
What's wrong with it is that it's destroying the sense of realism that Bay so desperately sought to achieve. You may think it unbelievable that Prime's head popping out from inside the cab is unrealistic, but it's even LESS realistic when it folds out of a dozen or so pieces in the movie. I'll give you that there's a bit of mass-shifting in this Prime's hands (if we want to go so realistic as to not include that :P), but if it went the way of the Masterpiece line, that wouldn't be an issue.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. If these are supposed to be super advanced, DNA-based robots, able to rearrange themselves enough to even fit into a shape like the animation above, I don't see why it's such a stretch to believe that they can fold individual parts of their bodies, like their head, which, BTW, I'm not sure is what you see happening.
ConnellxSilverfur 3 years ago
It's a huge stretch because as complicated as any android is, it's designed as simplistically as it can possibly be so as to not waste precious time or energy in doing whatever task it was built to achieve. These creatures should by their very nature want to opt for as simple (yet effective) a transformation as possible without hindering their dexterity. The of the TFs in the movie however were made to be so overly complicated that they were pushed into being props instead of real characters. :S
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
lol you never quit do you, ask random people which transformation they prefer. This one or the one in the bay movie. I think they will chose the 10 sec masterpiece in the movie.
MitsuGTO885 3 years ago
Don't say "masterpiece", because I'm just going to get it confused with THIS pretty little number. :P
watch?v=tZC7MS4qsK4
I'll concede that people will probably say they prefer the Bay version over this old school version (mostly because all THIS Prime does is stand up and the color scheme is off), but I'm seeing more positive response being directed at the Prime here watch?v=Sad0wmAcRzQ than in the movie.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
I think this would have been cooler in the movie.. because it is more like the cartoon and it still looks convincing.. the movie made so many little adjustments in the robots when transforming....
metalmonkey88 4 years ago
dude this is a real nice vid but i still think the movie version is the best and most ralistic i mean cmon? if ya saw a cab like the g1 what would u think of it? its never been seen anywhere else on earth so.... oh yeah they just made it plus i like the new flame scheme. this is my opinion dont bitch to me about how u like g1 better please
phaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazon 4 years ago
The movie transformations are so far from being realistic it's not even funny. If I saw this cab, I wouldn't even give it a second look because it looks like a piece of crap; just like the Autobots would WANT us to do. You can't hide if you're covered in a crazy, shiny flame paint job with lights coming out of every pore.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
For anyone who likes transformations like the movie, click on my name and look for my pirate ship transforming video. If you like oldschool transformations, eh, watch it anyway.
dandeentremont 4 years ago
Fantastic - the way it should be. How he transformed as a toy and in the cartoon.
b3nnytech 4 years ago
but its... boring
gabman6 4 years ago
No, it's real. We're supposed to be dazzled by the surprising dexterity of these blocky characters and how they emote on screen, not by how many millions of pieces they're made of (especially since conventional rules of machinery would dictate that most of those pieces are neatly covered up anyway).
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
damn how did you do that?!?!?!
stopmotionjr 4 years ago
Yeah! How? I was justly asking to myself the SAME question!
elitadream 4 years ago
no way, this shoulda been in the movie, its to simple, too predictable, to bulky, maybe for a one hour animted cartoon movie in 3d, but im pretty sure if they had this guy in the movie, ppl might not have been so interested, it looks like hes to heavy to move, but other then that its pretty cool :)
fallen4life080 4 years ago
Of course he looks too heavy to move. Then you finally DO see him move around and that's what blows your mind (not how shiny he is or how many millions of parts he has).
Why would people lose interest seeing this? It's more interesting than seeing every piece on the TFs get tossed around at random until it forms their robot mode. With a more simplistic form like this, it would also allow them the proper amount of screentime to be used as CHARACTERS, not background props.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
i would have to agree with fallen4life, you can't seriously expect any YOUNG people to find this design intresting to watch..it looks like boxes. don't you see how many new fans this movie has created! have you seen "mirasol twins" do you think we would have seen any of their great stop motions if optimus looked like 1980's
vincymon 3 years ago
"you can't seriously expect any YOUNG people to find this design intresting to watch"
Why not? Imagine this design for Prime in the movie (in red & blue, of course), but keep everything else EXACTLY the way it is. Aside from Prime using less time to transform, how does it alter the movie for the worse?
"don't you see how many new fans this movie has created!"
I see them. I just don't understand why they exist. :S If I wasn't already a fan, this movie would make me think TF is retarded.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
why would it make you feel transformers is retarded, because it has CHANGED, did you see the speed racer movie, people hated because it LOOKED too much like a cartoon! the speed racer movie was exactly like the cartoon and was hated for that!
vincymon 3 years ago
I haven't seen Speed Racer in either medium, so all I can do is take your word for it.
I can accept change, so long as it's still the property it's supposed to be. I.E.-Tim Burton's Batman VS. Chris Nolan's Batman. They're both different, but still the same character.
The movie would make me feel like Transformers is retarded because the writing is juvenile, the TFs as characters are meaningless, and the humans don't even need the Autobots' to help fight the Decepticons, so what's the point?
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
well..now you're getting somewhere--instead of the "its not g1 style, so it must be retarded" complaint i've been hearing all the time.
vincymon 3 years ago
NOW I'm getting somewhere? I've been saying this ever since the movie came out. :S
Did it need to be a G1 movie? No, not at all. If it needs to be a G1 movie, it's only because they used so many G1 characters (including the Witwickies) that don't appear in other incarnations, and they used Peter Cullen to reprise his role as Optimus Prime. Any talented voice actor could have played him, but if Cullen is used, only THEN does it need to be a G1 movie.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
i see you like a good argument just as much as I do...riddle me this.."if" the voice actor from the spiderman 90's cartoon "actually looked" like spiderman and they casted him in the movie, do you think for THAT reason alone, they would have used the mechanical web shooters, even if its IMPRACTICAL, for a college student to be able to make it. C'mon man, some sort of logic must be applied.
vincymon 3 years ago
A. The voice actor who did Spider-Man isn't anywhere NEAR as iconic as Cullen's Prime.
B. Peter Parker was a genius. If the script called for artificial web-shooters (although it does make more sense to make them part of his power set), they could have done it in such a way to make it believable.
Since we're apparently talking about Marvel heroes now, the treatment of Iron Man is what they needed to do with TF; obviously update it, but still keep it in the same vein as the source material.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
let's not mix metaphors here. iron man is a super hero..a HUMAN wearing a suit, so elements like certain vehicles becoming outdated doesn't count.
And also how can you compare the variation in a SUIT as compared to a full fledged ROBOT.
note my comparisms are only in the response to the "it should look like g1" argument, not the FACT that the movie had a weak story..i think that the juvenility of the plot is without question.
vincymon 3 years ago
I'm not even talking about the "outdated" vehicles. I'm talking about how needlessly complicated they made the robots.
"how can you compare the variation in a SUIT as compared to a full fledged ROBOT."
Very easily. They somehow made Iron Man look realistic (which is even harder than a Transformer, considering how much bulkier the suit would have to be to cover a human body), and they still made him look almost exactly like the comic Iron Man, and it was great. Couldn't the do the same for TFs?
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
"have you seen "mirasol twins" do you think we would have seen any of their great stop motions if optimus looked like 1980's"
Given their extensive talents in stop-motion, I would sure as hell HOPE so. The toys are WAY more dumbed down (and realistic) than their movie counterparts. You'd really not look at it if it were the same thing, but with movie classic-looking toys (with the same articulation and animation potential)?
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
this sucks! OP in the movie was 10x better
psycholian 4 years ago
YOU suck! Throw some red and blue on there and he looks better than the movie!
GENERAL1002 4 years ago
cool
sofiaglade 4 years ago
This is way better than the movie.You can actually make the toy EXACTLY transform as in the movie!
jeffketchup 4 years ago
Weird that no one has noticed that this is actually NOT Optimus Prime...it's Ultra Magnus's cab. See how he's white not red and blue.
zatoone78 4 years ago
sound was a bit lagging
SrgtBarney 4 years ago
hehe. yep it sure sounds that way.
zatoone78 4 years ago
They should've hired you guys to make the movie robots. This is how OP should've looked like imo
Braujo 4 years ago
Totally Agree!!
Quetzalcoatl83 4 years ago
common, do you really think the kids of today would get into this "fat"design, that's just biased, while i can't say i am particularly fond of his movie appearance, to expect him to look like THIS is a stretch
vincymon 3 years ago
huh, i thought this was the leaked test footage of ILM
JeVoudrais12 5 years ago
Then Optimus Prime came to save the day...
SevenHolyDragons 5 years ago
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lol, i no of a website that has many clips like that one and many more at www.freewebs.com/jasonluke2005
jayluke2005 5 years ago