@ToodyayComputers I don't know why he said it. But he's mentioning something that yeah you can do. It wasn't a policy announcement and he doesn't even agree with it. If anyone has watched whats gone on in Canberra the past couple of weeks in the Labor party, with all the truth coming out, plus all the lies we've received from Gillard, to me this 1 minute video means nothing haha
Its taken a long while to find the right word to describe Abbott. Its hard when you want to capture so many concepts. But after much effort I have finally found it.... "Philistine". "A person who holds a particular attitude or set of values perceived as despising or undervaluing art, beauty, spirituality, or intellectualism. A person with this attitude... may also be considered materialistic, favouring conventional social values unthinkingly and forms of art that have a cheap and easy appeal".
China's biggest energy-consuming companies are likely to face a direct tax on carbon dioxide emissions by 2015, the Xinhua-backed Economic Information Daily reported on Thursday, citing government sources.
What did Mr Abbott mean when he said that if you want to put a price on carbon why not do it with a simple tax? He even wanted to put a tax on petrol?
How can someone, who is so vehemently opposed to a price on carbon, even contemplate the possibility of such legislation. His belief is that the carbon price will destroy the economy, wipe Whyalla of the map and mean the end of the mining industry.
If the legislation is really that bad, it is totally irresponsible to ever have considered it.
Tony Abbott doesn't want a carbon tax and never has wanted one. That is the reason he took Malcolm Turnbull's job, otherwise we would have already had a market based mechanism. The carbon tax is a fucking stupid idea. If it really needs to be done financially then it should be done through a cap and trade, or emissions trading scheme. Not yet ANOTHER tax.
When are these hollow no policy Liberal weasels going to admit they are only working for the big mining and oil companies? They make me sick with their constant repetitive sound bites..it's all they have..empty shallow rhetoric..No brains, no idea, no policy. Abbott & co are puppet clowns working for the billionaires club. Weasel man only thinks of one thing..HIMSELF & the asshole mining moguls who want him as PM so they can continue to pollute the planet! F#ck off Tony Abbott You big LIAR!
I am unsure as to whether I 'like' this or dislike it. Tony abbot is an absolute dick, so I 'like' this video if the reasoning behind it is to expose his blatant hypocracy. However i dislike it if anyone is for this lame excuse for a politician
Lol at the opposition and the general public still going apeshit over a carbon tax. Seriously, I think everyone should just be grateful they're living in a safe developed country. The least you should do is get over the tax.
Besides if Abbott was in office, you people will be crying over workchoices and such, then you'll change your mind and vote ALP. This shit will never end, there is no perfect politician. Abbott will find every excuse to oppose ALP by looking at the cons just to gain support.
@ihatelameusernames What was wrong with work choices? Oh maybe you are one of those dudes that logs the hours of the week as "work".. when i get paid for doing fuck all !, "pissin on" when i get drunk ! And sleeping. Work choices brings all the worlds best work place practices into one that will allow aust to compete on a global scale to retain the jobs we now have.... Or are GM Ford and Toyota looking to abandon us for shits and giggles????? Time to think for all over You.
Reasons why this video hasn't had more views is that Copenhagen happened in the meantime. All of this interview was anticipating global action made there. Without global action placing a carbon economy at a competitive disadvantage is a big problem. Therefore context is important when viewing this clip.
Still, Abbott's option of a carbon tax shown here is still better than the Robin Hood tax proposed by the current government.
What a fuckwit. Brainless bogans love that dickhead. Wake up! I'm no big fan of Gillard, but she shits all over Abbott - he'd be a national embarrassment. Worse than Bush, he's a bloody moron with slogans.
Shows how this git IS a two headed ideologically driven hypocrite who only does what would make him appear greater than he really is, rather then actually representing the Australian people for the better.
well I think the title might have shooed away belligerent right wing people who like to rabble on youtube and yahoo 7 without solid (or any) arguments. not even daring to view a contrary idea, even if it comes from their own opposition leader :S
@mayuhavepeace I agree with everything you say, however, your initial statement of labels, although seems ideal, cannot work. Everyone has different opinions on all things, however, the majority of people lean further towards [in general] some aspects more than others. 'Left wingers' may not all share exactly the same view, but they all lean in a similar direction, and vice versa for conservatives. People who claim that both sides are legit, are moderate, as they are not extreme in any sense.
So now we have Left and Right and nowhere in between?
I do know this, I make one statement and somebody accuses me of being a Leftie, I make another statement and somebody else accuses me of be a Right winger.
WHY SHOULD I BE ***ACCUSED*** AT ALL ???
Hence we have descended into this banality called a "debate" - sorry, but I WILL ***NOT** BE LABELED.
But it seems out there that many are DENYING MY ***RIGHT*** !!!
@mayuhavepeace Buddy, read the last part of my reply: "People who claim that both sides are legit, are moderate, as they are not extreme in any sense."
What I mean by that ^^ is that there are people who have ideals that are of both left and right characteristics, these people are moderate. Again, not everyone shares the same beliefs in these 'sectors', so some people can be moderate, but lean slightly more one way than another. Basically, although one can be labelled anything, this shouldn't
@mayuhavepeace ...affect how one votes. One votes for the person they believe to be best for the job. You don't say, 'oh, people call me left wing, so I HAVE to vote Green.' you vote for whoever you think is best. You could be someone with left wing ideals, but doesn't believe in the current status of left wing parties at the present, and so you may vote for a more conservative party at the time. There are so many things to think about. So there is no need to get aggressive about it.
People who know me would be surprised... but alas, the YouTube mentality strikes again.
I am simply pointing out that I don't want to be labeled, especially by people who has not even met me.
If I may risk being called a nut, I suspect we are messing up the planet and ultimately God will have to rescue us. I don't believe man is able to rule himself and has failed miserably.
@mayuhavepeace Just read over your comments man, you come off a little aggressive is all, sorry if you aren't. And I would call you left wing, if I HAD to label you. The idea that we are 'messing up the planet' is that of a left wing mentality. You worry about what will happen to the planet as a result of man, just as I believe mankind is no more than a plague that is slowly rotting away to earth. But religion plays no part in politics, so your belief of God in THIS situation, is irrelevant.
You take 'messing up the planet' as me being an environmentalist ??
That is not what I meant at all. See, there is that YouTube mentality again.
As for God, seems you think he is either asleep or dumb.
As for me I can rightly say in a non-political way that I am very much a conservative. Abortion is wrong, homosexuality is wrong, sex outside marriage is wrong, marriage is between a man and a woman and so on.
And what was Jesus Christ? Left or right or neither?
@mayuhavepeace You seem to be of the mindset that everything I'm saying is completely wrong because I make assumptions about you. I am only doing that because, I know nothing about you, I don't know your gender, your age, or where you come from, therefore I cannot make an accurate perception. But now, if you say that, you are most certainly a RIGHT wing individual. You have conservative beliefs, therefore, you are right wing. And as I said, religion should play NO part in politics EVER...
@mayuhavepeace It should never play a part in politics because it is unfair for a politician to use it as an avantage, therefore whether Jesus Christ was left or right wing is 100% irrelevant.
What is this 'youtube mentality' that you keep speaking of?
Also, how is homosexuality wrong? I'm not homosexual myself, but what is the issue, actually, what is the LOGICAL issue with it?
Also why is sex outside marriage wrong? I'm 16 and I have had it with my girlfriend..it is a beautiful thing to share.
"What is this 'youtube mentality' that you keep speaking of?"
Instant judgment based on 500 characters - I see it all the time - and the reduction from 3D nuances to 2D flat perceptions. Reality is complex.
"how is homosexuality wrong?"
I am not the one saying that it is.
It comes down to the fact that I am not Left, nor Right, but I am in a minority of those that can truly call themselves a THEOCRAT - not in the sense you may think - it's complex, VERY.
So here we have the real problem of politics and why I wash my hands off it:
Politics DISTORTS and even what ought to be reasonable and generally would with little effort bringing the public along, would get a proper consensus - but it is rarely happening because the POWER of politics and the ADDICTION politicians have towards it.
I would never vote for a politician - I don't want to become a sharer in his sins.
Politics suits the MINORITY that can influence it.
There is a quick simple solution to global warming and climate change. It is called Muon Catalysed Fusion. As worked on Star Scientific. NO CO2. NO Greenhouse Gases. NO Carbon Tax. NO Toxic Waste. The source is dueterium from the World's Oceans - virtually limitless. It is cheap to produce. WE NEED IT NOW. See the website "Star Scientific Limited", Blog "The Big Picture by Andrew Horvath", Youtube video - "In the Footsteps of Fusion".
I laugh when Tony Abbott gives the Labor party hell because they are a minority government.... Tony if the Indipendants went the other way, You would be in the same situation.
@FALValks You know yourself the nanny payouts are compensation for the rises in costs: no net gain. The economy & costs of living are not of any responsibility of the Government in power? Are the 10 billion dollars worth of waste and blowouts not their fault either? Harming our export competitiveness for no realistic benefit doesn't add up. I can show you people wrapped in a tiny blanket in the freezing cold at night, so please show me how a carbon tax will literally reduce world ocean levels.
Abbots new direct action policy on carbon, is even more simple, only a simple person could have come up with the idea. Good on you Tony you speak the language that us simple folk can understand. Not like Gillard, you have to be an intellectual lefty to understand her.
@FALValks Not wasting space at all, it's extremely important. No other country has an economy-wide tax on carbon. We have families on the streets, living out of their cars, and barely getting food on the table (my local area especially with over a hundred small business closures in the past year, and unemployment at 8.1%). Let's look after Australians first and solve Australian problems with realistic solutions, not world problems with unrealistic solutions.
So yeah, Abbott supports a ETS, then replaces Turnball and ditches a ETS, says"man made climate change is crap" , then says earlier this year "man is contributing to climate change", just one day after saying "I don't think carbon dioxide is all that bad" .And don't forgot his "Over my died body" comment in his book regarding Parental Paid Leave ,but his plan now is to tax busines to pay for one. Honestly, the bloke is a joke!! One has to ask WHO IS THE REAL TONY?
SORRY but this was on the premise that the rest of the developed world would also take action. This did not occur (every country rejected a tax), therefore the Coalition's stance is that it would be economic suicide to go it alone given it will have NO net benefit on the climate.
Gillard is a liar, she has proven this even more today, she cannot be trusted.
This carbon tax is based on lie!
Swan was as nerves as hell, Brown and Milhn were not happy at all, something bigger has happened, someone has reneged on an agreement, the green queens were very upset.
it;s time for labor, liberals and the greens to go, vote for any other party but them, they have been bought buy corporations and don't care about Australia. We have been sold out!
@newsnational Use raw aggression to silence all opposition. Shout down everyone with an opposing view with complete contempt and viciousness. Cause fear. Show no respect. Use incivility as and when necessary. Focus on the masses and ply them with lies and untruths. Dismiss the intellectuals as fools and corrupt the political process to win at any cost. Hitler and Stalin were ruthless thugs, and Abbott is right up there with the best them.
@WOGI5M Does that include the National Bank Chief Executive as well then? He just came out and trashed Tony Abbotts Direct Action Plan. If you cant address the subatance of the debate and call people "sheep" instead, you are the fool.
Tony Abbott:"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax? Why not ask motorists to pay more?
Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?
And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.
It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price on carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."
*IF* you want a price on carbon THEN a carbon tax is the best way to do it... you realise this idea is not mutually exclusive with NOT supporting a price on carbon at all?
@fleeced yes but the liberal party policy is still to price carbon, just not through a carbon tax but through their "direct action" strategy which will be funded by, income tax.
Another thing, do people here not watch the news at all? It's as if half of you think this footage is new or something, it was done and dusted ages ago. Abbott hasn't run away from it. Kind of desperate to drag it out again because he's successfully holding Gillard to account.
Abbott: Doesn't actually advocate a Carbon (dioxide) tax but dares to speak about one in comparison to another useless policy.
Youtube Labor fanboys - OMG HYPOCRITE!!11!11
Gillard: Specifically and explicitly rules out carbon tax during a goddamn election campaign then forms a deal with the Greens saying she agrees we have to have one so she can get into power.
We need a Libertarian Conservative party here that espouses free speech, right to vote on issues to resolve issues once and for all, free markets up properly and promote more trade, let people keep their own money and look after themselves, reduce tax to 10% flat and stop the nanny state, Stop the Warmongering based on lies, mind our own business, stop foreign aid thats wasted, stop lying as career pollies. Just a few of the things they should be considering. Neither party do it.
Unbelievable, I as an Australian am deeply concerned our politicians are sold out like America on both sides. They are being controlled ladies and gents behind the scenes by very large corporate vested interests linked to Bilderberg Group, US Council of Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission (Ross Garnaut is a member btw), linked to UN policy. Time for the people to rally in my opinion, it's starting to happen in UK and US as well. We want democracy and liberty please, not lies/tyranny
The Greatest hypocrite .....Vote Tony Abbott you are deaf Dumb and Blind Tony Tony Tony come on down then again the Australian people deserve somone like you if its not a carbon tax you will bring in a new tax .and just blame the Labor party and what else would you do Tony.....No Dole for under 21s No Single Mothers pension and yes you will stop the boats well anyway Tony Channel 7 and ch9 ch10 Sky Channel Fox are working 24/7 to put you in power & your old mates Alan Jones , Andrew Bolt
He's a grub. The problem is so many Australians have caught the mob hysteria that says he is honourable and competent. Makes me laugh and cry at the same time.
He isn't for or against anything except his ambition and the game of politics. He is an empty shell, a proven, repeated liar and incompetent especially economically. He was happy with a $1billion for a hospital for Andrew Wilkie's vote, when he didn't have, for example. He will do anything, including being two faced on climate change, for advantage.
Abbott is a weathervane on all issues but this one is a little too serious to play petty politics with. He was for an ETS and a Carbon tax. Howard and Turnbull were for an ETS.
Then the denialist neanderthals took control of the Libs! Shame on Abbott for putting his ambition ahead of the environment. Climate change will not wait for him or us it will just keep going until we reach tipping points then we are all farked.
God help the next generation because we will not!!!
@AnthosHero What crap... they're historically more progressives than socialists and the majority of people in the ALP are centrists or center-right these days anyway, they're middle of the road and moderates. Socialists...don't make me laugh, you obviously wouldn't know a socialist if one came up and slapped you, find out what these terms mean first
@BigDeanoSyd Well firstly, my point was that their stated goal is for the ALP to move towards more of a leftist "Socialist-Democratic" System.
Secondly, I think you need to define the difference yourself before you start insulting your fellow YouTubers. A Socialist organisation is one that is after social reform, higher taxes but also things like public education and public health care. A Conservative system promotes free enterprise and privatisation, giving control to business.
@BigDeanoSyd The Labor party promotes things like increased taxes (such as on Cigarettes, Mining, and Carbon). They also promote things like having a Reserve Bank (which was invented by Karl Marx). Plus, their new policy of "Taxing the Carbon" and then "giving that money back to the people" IS Communism by definition. I think you need to do some more research.
@SunlightFromCucumber As an alternative I suggest that instead of taxing so much just to give it back they could just reduce all taxes, which would not only make people richer but it would encourage business to move here which would strengthen the economy.
@AnthosHero Reduce taxes and you've still got taxes. What do you suggest they do with the (reduced) taxation revenue? NOT invest it in the Australian people? Seriously??
@AnthosHero This is part of the global elite plan my friend, we are easy prey i'm afraid with Authoritarian laws/government, anyone speaks up, you get locked up instantly, there is no free speech and no democracy, and certainly not a free market economically. The Liberals are not Liberal i'm afraid, they run under the guise, but realistically do little ultimately of any real note to reduce tax, reduce Govt, promote capitialism, innovation, ingenuity among other positive items through hardwork.
Not sure whether to thumbs up or thumbs down this, thumbs up that he's a hypocritical bible-basher, or thumbs up to replace a carbon tax with a tax?!?!
Not sure whether to thumbs up or thumbs down this, thumbs up that he's a hypocritical bible-basher, or thumbs up to replace a carbon tax with a tax?!?!
So, instead of the big companies paying the money because they are the ones making the pollution, he wants the working class man to pay for it instead.
The original reference for this misleading video is Sky News - Interview with Tony Abbott feature=youtu.be. He is not saying that he would use a carbon tax, but was talking about the Rudd governments mandate and made it clear that Liberals would not be doing it what Labor was doing. He considered a carbon tax was preferable to Rudds ETS. He did not say he would institute a carbon tax in government. Rudd had a mandate for Carbon tax, Gillard does not. This is more Labor apologists mumbo jumbo.
@kzfm100 Whether you think Labor is the greatest thing since sliced bread or a streaming pile of horse manure, what does that have to do with the fact that Abbot is clearly a duplicitous hypocrite?
If you think the Gillard Govt is bullshit, you should seek an alternative that is genuinely better, not desperately defend this idiot.
@SunlightFromCucumber Agreed, Tony Abbot seems more interested in saying the opposite of what ever the government says to get support than he is in Australia's future.
OMG how embarrassing for the opposition and the sycophants on red neck radio. Has any one heard how the shock jocks like Alan Jones are spinning this?
3 more boats of cattle have already left this week, and more are preparing to load in the coming week. The animals on those boats are bound for Indonesian slaughterhouses where they will suffer the worst mistreatment the animal welfare movement has ever seen. Protest in Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne, Hobart, Adelaide and Perth on Saturday, June 18 to ban live animal exports ..... Please look this up on YouTube..... Netherlands Votes on Banning Halal Kosher.....
Tony the labour government has stolen your toxic carbon tax policy, the bastards, I thought you had no policies, its obvious you are keeping them secrete because labour keeps steeling them.
(2/2) In the speech I just referenced, to add weight to his point, he then quotes former British chancellor of the exchequer, Nigel Lawson “if people are happy to pay a carbon tax, provided it is not at too high a level and the proceeds are used to cut income tax, that would not be a disaster”.
This is exactly what the government is doing with it's carbon tax.
(1/2) If you think that this quote from Abbott has been taken out of context, I recommend you read the speech titled "A REALIST'S APPROACH TO CLIMATE CHANGE" on Tony Abbott's website dated July 29th 2009 (youtube doesn't let you link in comments section)
An extract:
"If Australia is greatly to reduce its carbon emissions, the price of carbon intensive products should rise"
"a new tax would be the intelligent skeptic’s way to deal with minimising emissions "
@ashleythwaites1989 before you leap to Abbott's defence, read the speech titled "A REALIST'S APPROACH TO CLIMATE CHANGE" on Tony Abbott's website dated July 29th 2009 (youtube doesn't let you link in comments section). In short, he strongly advocated for a carbon tax.
@ashleythwaites1989 Piffle, he's saying it is the best and only way to deal with climate change which is very different to what he is saying NOW....He always has been so full of crap, he'll do and say anything to be PM, no real integrity beyond his own ambition
I looked up the longer interview with SKY news back in 2009 when the ETS was proposed. This shorter version has not been taken out of context. He's saying a carbon tax is a simpler way to put price on carbon than an ETS. Now he's saying neither is the way to go - direct action is the way to go. His direct action is to reward polluters for polluting less and do nothing to those who continue. Keep on beating your wife once a week, its okay, but reduce it to once a month, and we will pay you.
@johnboon49 Or Cate B. supports Tony A.?? Remember he was the first to offer the Australian people the benefit of the CT. Julia G. stole his line. That's why he is so upset and relentless. Julia is not only a lair, but a thief as well. Then you have the serial leaker Rudd - watch this space and expect some new stuff coming out soon. He is not over it. The only thing he loves more than his travel is leaking confidential stuff. I love this country.......
poor mr workchoices poor rich liberals i recall under lazarus howard we will never never introduce a gst workchoices awb scandal weapons of mass hysteria children overboard tampa howards brother well the madmonk is what he is captain telephone anti worker but for the poor libs no matter how wrong he does they seem to forget he cut 1 billion of the health system said workchoices was good for working families what a wonderful person for the wealthy yes keep voting for mr workchoices the madmonk
I don't particularly support either party but this just highlights what is wrong with out political system/environment.
Both leaders believe in their heart of hearts that the carbon tax is the right thing to do, but both are prepared to lie about it in order to win public support. They both know that a considerable percentage of Australians are too lazy or ignorant to bother trying to understand it properly and instead just think tax = bad.
If you look at all the footage of Tony Abbott and his "views" over the years you will find the following: Support for Direct Action and government picking winners Opposition to 'inefficient' government mitigation schemes Support for an ETS Opposition to an ETS Support for a Carbon Tax Opposition to a Carbon Tax Acceptance of the science of climate change Rejection of the science Calls for the government to 'get tough' on refugees Complaints that the government is 'too tough' on refugess
@thepreciouspup This is so true. it exemplifies the whole notion that Abbott is just a negative minded opportunist who is more interested in destabilising government rather then working constructively to create good policy outcomes.
@TheDonvel, your argument as to its irrelevance should'nt be that the taxes are different (merely different in where applied and where and how redeemed, but both are taxes), your argument should be that Abbott doesn't think carbon should be priced at all. He doesn't, he doesn't understand how science works period, let alone the climate science debate. If they don't see there is an issue, why are they offering a stupid plan that will waste a lot of money for something they think is not an issue?
@Akula0 sorry didn't get your point here. How is GST like tax the same as the proposed CT? I also said that he would have to raise taxes to pay for the 4 years of Labor binge spending and mismanagement. Cameron raised the VAT in UK. You have heard of the PIGS countries in EU. They were all governed by socialist (and communists in Greece) Well, Portugal had elections last weekend and the far right radicals won it. Thanks Gillard for giving us Tony!
This is brilliant tacics. Abbott doesn't say he supports a carbon tax. He says, if you want to put a price on carbon a carbon tax is one way to do it. Where's the confusion? Gillard fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Abbott's now a shoe-in at the next election. Gillard's a gonner. Abbott has never gone to an election promising a carbon tax, has he?
Yawn, another beat up from the Abbott haters. He quite clearly says "If you want to price carbon" notice the world "If". All you could really draw from this interview is that he prefers a carbon tax over an ETS. However, nowhere in this interview does he support putting a price on carbon. Sorry to spoil the illusion.
It's 60/40 to the No CT vote at the moment. Realists will still vote for the proposed policy that is current (except for any Gillard/Swan stated policy) at the next election.
@TheDonvel at no point in Her Camapign did she say she wouldn't act.
and as she didn't have a majority government the mandate was formed with the agreement between independents and the government. the mandate stems from there - we choose that parliament, and it has a mandate to act on the legitimate mandate we have those people with seats to negotiate laws.
@liberalcynic OK, so what's the deal with "hysterically inaccurate statement being made by the opposition" , then? They have mandate, ok, go ahead and do it. You like it - good for you, you have just saved the planet. I don;t like, I think it's unnecessary and it will achieve nothing. So I am a right wing radical- it that so, is that simple. So is Obama, the Japan labor government, Canadian one etc. Class enemies of the working class - is that what you want to hear?
Clutching at straws dragging up this after 2 years. I don't think that's a game the blind or hoodwinked side would want to get into lol. Wouldn't have to go back too far to hear some of the current sprukers of the CT being shown up with alternate opinions...."There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead" just for starters hahaha
@ellicattube I think your comment is clutching at straws. He would have preferred a carbon tax to the ETS Turnbull negotiated with the government (which he supported at the time of the interview)
@richspur2004 Pfft. Talk about something from the current term. A lot of water under the bridge since then and a lot of new analysis that shows the CT is a complete waste of effort. All pain for no gain. Why deny this ? None are so blind as those that will not see. What will be the price in the 2nd year, third year, fourth year ? What will the amount of compensation be in the 2nd 3rd 4th ....years ? Why has the UK put in a get out clause for 2014 ? Why does Spain have 20%+ unemployment ?
He was making the point that if you REALLY wanted to tax carbon (and it actually not be just a robin-hood tax) you COULD put a 'simple' tax on carbon output and then allow businesses to, like all other taxation, claim it in the annual return you would have achieved 'something' like taxing carbon.
BUT - What happens if the burden of administrating a tax like this higher than the revenue gained? Would it still be worth it? NO!
Putting words into his mouth, by suggesting he wants this, is wrong.
@TheRVMGuy Lets call a spade a spade here without resorting to weasel words. This clip shows that he preferred a carbon tax to the ETS in 2009. He supported the ETS when Turnbull was Opposition leader and then back flipped when offered a chance to become leader from Minchin, Joyce, Bernardi, Robb and co.
@richspur2004 Hang on mate - look who is using weasel words as he speaks! If you have any understanding how a political party works, in public, you stand behind the leader. You can have heated discussions in-house, but outside that, you can't. AND if you want to be outside talking, well, we all have the option of being Bob Katter if we wish!
BUT, the only backflip that is of note - is the one that Julia committed. She was the leader and was in the position to talk to the policy!
@TheRVMGuy so you're saying it's okay for Abbott to have one standard for himself and another for the Prime Minister.
He and his supporters have been judging Gillard on her previous words and her backroom discussions for the last three months, yet when the shoe moves to the other foot, you cry foul! Give me a break!
@richspur2004 No mate, what I am saying, is that if you are the leader, you have the agenda. You, with the numbers in the party room, hold the sway, the direction, of the party (at that time)
Gillard WAS the Leader when she said that there would not be a Carbon Tax whilst she was Leader.
I am not the one crying foul here. I am stating facts. She was the leader, she made a decision, her party moved in a direction and then when the electorate DIDN'T give her a mandate, she got it via others!
@TheRVMGuy the only defence I will give of Gillard is the rejection of mandate political theory on the grounds of the hung parliament not giving her a clear mandate to implement ALP policy (and Abbott would have been held to the same constraint so don't belittle it).
As for your other claim, the Liberal Party is meant to respect individual views (or so they claim). This is a view that Abbott put forward when he supported the ETS. The backflip is undeniable.
@TheRVMGuy Standing behind your leader? This is what we don't understand nor accept in this country. Look at the evidence - Gillard knifed Rudd and we were OK with it. Even she got elected. Brown shut down Rudd's ETS for not going far enough - he is back in the senate Rudd puts more millage than Buzz Aldrin. As the poet says: "Knowledge and reason change like a season, like a jester's promenade". But let them have the fun while it lasts.
@TheDonvel ... The reason this clip IS relevant is because he is saying that IF you want to put a price on carbon the best way would be with a carbon tax, yet his party (excluding Malcom) now say that the best way is their absurd direct action plan, which was the basis for Tony Jones question, could the opposition support a carbon tax in any way.) Why would a party, that doesn't accept there is a real problem, offer any climate plan at all, if it's isn't political opportunism?
@Akula0 the reason as to why this is irrelevant is simple. Abbott does not believe in the science of global warming - calls it "unsettled". The tax he is talking about here is just another GST - we charge you - you claimed back, if you can. The rest of us - well, tough luck. This is not what Gillard propose - wealth re-distribution-we tax everyone and give back to the ones we deemed poor. They decided who is poor and is not. Is not about fixing the planet, it is about buying votes.
@ToodyayComputers I don't know why he said it. But he's mentioning something that yeah you can do. It wasn't a policy announcement and he doesn't even agree with it. If anyone has watched whats gone on in Canberra the past couple of weeks in the Labor party, with all the truth coming out, plus all the lies we've received from Gillard, to me this 1 minute video means nothing haha
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Its taken a long while to find the right word to describe Abbott. Its hard when you want to capture so many concepts. But after much effort I have finally found it.... "Philistine". "A person who holds a particular attitude or set of values perceived as despising or undervaluing art, beauty, spirituality, or intellectualism. A person with this attitude... may also be considered materialistic, favouring conventional social values unthinkingly and forms of art that have a cheap and easy appeal".
AntipodeanStar 1 month ago
China to levy carbon tax before 2015
China's biggest energy-consuming companies are likely to face a direct tax on carbon dioxide emissions by 2015, the Xinhua-backed Economic Information Daily reported on Thursday, citing government sources.
geeksrulz 2 months ago
@geeksrulz Ah but a tax of only 5 cents by 2015
Adirtybird 1 month ago
What did Mr Abbott mean when he said that if you want to put a price on carbon why not do it with a simple tax? He even wanted to put a tax on petrol?
How can someone, who is so vehemently opposed to a price on carbon, even contemplate the possibility of such legislation. His belief is that the carbon price will destroy the economy, wipe Whyalla of the map and mean the end of the mining industry.
If the legislation is really that bad, it is totally irresponsible to ever have considered it.
geeksrulz 2 months ago
Tony Abbott doesn't want a carbon tax and never has wanted one. That is the reason he took Malcolm Turnbull's job, otherwise we would have already had a market based mechanism. The carbon tax is a fucking stupid idea. If it really needs to be done financially then it should be done through a cap and trade, or emissions trading scheme. Not yet ANOTHER tax.
enfourski 2 months ago
@enfourski So why did he say this?
ToodyayComputers 1 week ago
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When are these hollow no policy Liberal weasels going to admit they are only working for the big mining and oil companies? They make me sick with their constant repetitive sound bites..it's all they have..empty shallow rhetoric..No brains, no idea, no policy. Abbott & co are puppet clowns working for the billionaires club. Weasel man only thinks of one thing..HIMSELF & the asshole mining moguls who want him as PM so they can continue to pollute the planet! F#ck off Tony Abbott You big LIAR!
Mischelle999 3 months ago
I am unsure as to whether I 'like' this or dislike it. Tony abbot is an absolute dick, so I 'like' this video if the reasoning behind it is to expose his blatant hypocracy. However i dislike it if anyone is for this lame excuse for a politician
pandaal123 3 months ago
Lol at the opposition and the general public still going apeshit over a carbon tax. Seriously, I think everyone should just be grateful they're living in a safe developed country. The least you should do is get over the tax.
Besides if Abbott was in office, you people will be crying over workchoices and such, then you'll change your mind and vote ALP. This shit will never end, there is no perfect politician. Abbott will find every excuse to oppose ALP by looking at the cons just to gain support.
ihatelameusernames 4 months ago
@ihatelameusernames What was wrong with work choices? Oh maybe you are one of those dudes that logs the hours of the week as "work".. when i get paid for doing fuck all !, "pissin on" when i get drunk ! And sleeping. Work choices brings all the worlds best work place practices into one that will allow aust to compete on a global scale to retain the jobs we now have.... Or are GM Ford and Toyota looking to abandon us for shits and giggles????? Time to think for all over You.
Adirtybird 1 month ago
Thanks Tony, we've finally put into law your suggestion!
Great day!
thearcher1980 4 months ago 10
Reasons why this video hasn't had more views is that Copenhagen happened in the meantime. All of this interview was anticipating global action made there. Without global action placing a carbon economy at a competitive disadvantage is a big problem. Therefore context is important when viewing this clip.
Still, Abbott's option of a carbon tax shown here is still better than the Robin Hood tax proposed by the current government.
ducktube80 4 months ago
@ducktube80
I would've thought a competitive advantage was irrelavent to the economy if there was no tourism, or iron ore left in the ground, 50 years from now.
79waz 4 months ago
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What a fuckwit. Brainless bogans love that dickhead. Wake up! I'm no big fan of Gillard, but she shits all over Abbott - he'd be a national embarrassment. Worse than Bush, he's a bloody moron with slogans.
haylele 4 months ago
Shows how this git IS a two headed ideologically driven hypocrite who only does what would make him appear greater than he really is, rather then actually representing the Australian people for the better.
Like if you agree?
jointswishee 4 months ago
There is absolutly NO suggestion it is his intention to install a carbon tax nor does he support one, instead he is just stating a way one could work
melbkid08 5 months ago
@melbkid08 tony abbott " If i was in Govt and more in a position to influence something like this, a carbon tax is what we would be looking at"
Mattsretiring 4 months ago
How has this video not had more views?
PocketJaces 5 months ago 14
@PocketJaces
well I think the title might have shooed away belligerent right wing people who like to rabble on youtube and yahoo 7 without solid (or any) arguments. not even daring to view a contrary idea, even if it comes from their own opposition leader :S
IsDucasse 3 months ago
Why does everybody have to be painted Left, Right or Green?
I do NOT want to be labelled ANYTHING.
But I say, YES, do tax carbon and YES, it did work in the PAST.
Remember CFCs - the nasty stuff in fridges and air cons. It was taxed, NOT to make money, but to change its use and it worked DRAMATICALLY WELL.
And the science, for anybody who ACTUALLY examines it, HAS BEEN SETTLED in 1995.
Every National Science Academy has accepted it. So get on with it - and Tony knows it will happen anyway.
mayuhavepeace 5 months ago 3
@mayuhavepeace I agree with everything you say, however, your initial statement of labels, although seems ideal, cannot work. Everyone has different opinions on all things, however, the majority of people lean further towards [in general] some aspects more than others. 'Left wingers' may not all share exactly the same view, but they all lean in a similar direction, and vice versa for conservatives. People who claim that both sides are legit, are moderate, as they are not extreme in any sense.
InsanityIsNormality 4 months ago
@InsanityIsNormality
So now we have Left and Right and nowhere in between?
I do know this, I make one statement and somebody accuses me of being a Leftie, I make another statement and somebody else accuses me of be a Right winger.
WHY SHOULD I BE ***ACCUSED*** AT ALL ???
Hence we have descended into this banality called a "debate" - sorry, but I WILL ***NOT** BE LABELED.
But it seems out there that many are DENYING MY ***RIGHT*** !!!
mayuhavepeace 4 months ago
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@mayuhavepeace Buddy, read the last part of my reply: "People who claim that both sides are legit, are moderate, as they are not extreme in any sense."
What I mean by that ^^ is that there are people who have ideals that are of both left and right characteristics, these people are moderate. Again, not everyone shares the same beliefs in these 'sectors', so some people can be moderate, but lean slightly more one way than another. Basically, although one can be labelled anything, this shouldn't
InsanityIsNormality 4 months ago
@mayuhavepeace ...affect how one votes. One votes for the person they believe to be best for the job. You don't say, 'oh, people call me left wing, so I HAVE to vote Green.' you vote for whoever you think is best. You could be someone with left wing ideals, but doesn't believe in the current status of left wing parties at the present, and so you may vote for a more conservative party at the time. There are so many things to think about. So there is no need to get aggressive about it.
InsanityIsNormality 4 months ago
@InsanityIsNormality
"no need to get aggressive about it."
I was?
People who know me would be surprised... but alas, the YouTube mentality strikes again.
I am simply pointing out that I don't want to be labeled, especially by people who has not even met me.
If I may risk being called a nut, I suspect we are messing up the planet and ultimately God will have to rescue us. I don't believe man is able to rule himself and has failed miserably.
Now try label THAT Left or Right..LOL
mayuhavepeace 4 months ago
@mayuhavepeace Just read over your comments man, you come off a little aggressive is all, sorry if you aren't. And I would call you left wing, if I HAD to label you. The idea that we are 'messing up the planet' is that of a left wing mentality. You worry about what will happen to the planet as a result of man, just as I believe mankind is no more than a plague that is slowly rotting away to earth. But religion plays no part in politics, so your belief of God in THIS situation, is irrelevant.
InsanityIsNormality 4 months ago
@InsanityIsNormality
You take 'messing up the planet' as me being an environmentalist ??
That is not what I meant at all. See, there is that YouTube mentality again.
As for God, seems you think he is either asleep or dumb.
As for me I can rightly say in a non-political way that I am very much a conservative. Abortion is wrong, homosexuality is wrong, sex outside marriage is wrong, marriage is between a man and a woman and so on.
And what was Jesus Christ? Left or right or neither?
mayuhavepeace 4 months ago
@mayuhavepeace You seem to be of the mindset that everything I'm saying is completely wrong because I make assumptions about you. I am only doing that because, I know nothing about you, I don't know your gender, your age, or where you come from, therefore I cannot make an accurate perception. But now, if you say that, you are most certainly a RIGHT wing individual. You have conservative beliefs, therefore, you are right wing. And as I said, religion should play NO part in politics EVER...
InsanityIsNormality 4 months ago
@InsanityIsNormality
" I cannot make an accurate perception"
And hence I have the right to tell you whether that perception is right or wrong - and to be fair you too have likewise.
I am simply pointing out that I cannot be labeled Left or Right for the simple reason I am simply NEITHER.
"You have conservative beliefs"
I do? You just early labeled me Left. So I am really NONE of the two.
You can be NON- political, right ?
In fact I like the word NEUTRAL. Not taking sides.
mayuhavepeace 4 months ago
@mayuhavepeace It should never play a part in politics because it is unfair for a politician to use it as an avantage, therefore whether Jesus Christ was left or right wing is 100% irrelevant.
What is this 'youtube mentality' that you keep speaking of?
Also, how is homosexuality wrong? I'm not homosexual myself, but what is the issue, actually, what is the LOGICAL issue with it?
Also why is sex outside marriage wrong? I'm 16 and I have had it with my girlfriend..it is a beautiful thing to share.
InsanityIsNormality 4 months ago
@InsanityIsNormality
"What is this 'youtube mentality' that you keep speaking of?"
Instant judgment based on 500 characters - I see it all the time - and the reduction from 3D nuances to 2D flat perceptions. Reality is complex.
"how is homosexuality wrong?"
I am not the one saying that it is.
It comes down to the fact that I am not Left, nor Right, but I am in a minority of those that can truly call themselves a THEOCRAT - not in the sense you may think - it's complex, VERY.
mayuhavepeace 4 months ago
@InsanityIsNormality
So here we have the real problem of politics and why I wash my hands off it:
Politics DISTORTS and even what ought to be reasonable and generally would with little effort bringing the public along, would get a proper consensus - but it is rarely happening because the POWER of politics and the ADDICTION politicians have towards it.
I would never vote for a politician - I don't want to become a sharer in his sins.
Politics suits the MINORITY that can influence it.
mayuhavepeace 4 months ago
Hey, I need homework help with all of this, is Tony implying that he WANTS a tax but he would do it differently?
Thanks!
50m3L3b0 6 months ago
@ 2porangi : no, but it appears his bottom is up for bids...
SnivelingGrubCom 6 months ago
would you by a car from this man?
2porangi 7 months ago
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@2porangi
"would you by a car from this man?"
Probably not. LOL
Q: When do you know whether Tony Abbott is lying or not.
A: He opens his mouth.
mayuhavepeace 5 months ago
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There is a quick simple solution to global warming and climate change. It is called Muon Catalysed Fusion. As worked on Star Scientific. NO CO2. NO Greenhouse Gases. NO Carbon Tax. NO Toxic Waste. The source is dueterium from the World's Oceans - virtually limitless. It is cheap to produce. WE NEED IT NOW. See the website "Star Scientific Limited", Blog "The Big Picture by Andrew Horvath", Youtube video - "In the Footsteps of Fusion".
2110kop 7 months ago
I laugh when Tony Abbott gives the Labor party hell because they are a minority government.... Tony if the Indipendants went the other way, You would be in the same situation.
purplehatcult 7 months ago
Oh straight from the horses mouth. he does support it after all. anyone voting for this guy needs there head examined.
likeagrin 7 months ago
Abbott's own advisers support a price on carbon pollution.
Abbott is going to get advice from 3 clean energy organizations for his "Direct Action" plan to fight global warming.
- The Clean Energy Council
- Green Buildings Council
- Energy Efficiency Council
Ironically, all 3 organizations advising Abbott strongly SUPPORT a price on carbon …
markvansomething 7 months ago
@FALValks You know yourself the nanny payouts are compensation for the rises in costs: no net gain. The economy & costs of living are not of any responsibility of the Government in power? Are the 10 billion dollars worth of waste and blowouts not their fault either? Harming our export competitiveness for no realistic benefit doesn't add up. I can show you people wrapped in a tiny blanket in the freezing cold at night, so please show me how a carbon tax will literally reduce world ocean levels.
jacksoncapper 7 months ago
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jacksoncapper 7 months ago
Abbots new direct action policy on carbon, is even more simple, only a simple person could have come up with the idea. Good on you Tony you speak the language that us simple folk can understand. Not like Gillard, you have to be an intellectual lefty to understand her.
2porangi 7 months ago
@FALValks Not wasting space at all, it's extremely important. No other country has an economy-wide tax on carbon. We have families on the streets, living out of their cars, and barely getting food on the table (my local area especially with over a hundred small business closures in the past year, and unemployment at 8.1%). Let's look after Australians first and solve Australian problems with realistic solutions, not world problems with unrealistic solutions.
jacksoncapper 7 months ago
a "simple tax"? how nice of Mr Abbott to volunteer to tax himself.
space2cross 7 months ago 5
So yeah, Abbott supports a ETS, then replaces Turnball and ditches a ETS, says"man made climate change is crap" , then says earlier this year "man is contributing to climate change", just one day after saying "I don't think carbon dioxide is all that bad" .And don't forgot his "Over my died body" comment in his book regarding Parental Paid Leave ,but his plan now is to tax busines to pay for one. Honestly, the bloke is a joke!! One has to ask WHO IS THE REAL TONY?
yeahproductions 7 months ago
SORRY but this was on the premise that the rest of the developed world would also take action. This did not occur (every country rejected a tax), therefore the Coalition's stance is that it would be economic suicide to go it alone given it will have NO net benefit on the climate.
jacksoncapper 7 months ago
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jacksoncapper 7 months ago
This guy is nothing but a big fucking obstacle to progress and an outright hypocrite. I pray he is never PM.
scottclements78 7 months ago
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Gillard is a liar, she has proven this even more today, she cannot be trusted.
This carbon tax is based on lie!
Swan was as nerves as hell, Brown and Milhn were not happy at all, something bigger has happened, someone has reneged on an agreement, the green queens were very upset.
I CAN SEE A LABOR SPILL COMING!
MRMILO57 8 months ago
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MRMILO57 8 months ago
it;s time for labor, liberals and the greens to go, vote for any other party but them, they have been bought buy corporations and don't care about Australia. We have been sold out!
deeunitt 8 months ago
This video is just Labor/Greens commie propaganda. No one will believe it you hypocrites.
newsnational 8 months ago
@newsnational Use raw aggression to silence all opposition. Shout down everyone with an opposing view with complete contempt and viciousness. Cause fear. Show no respect. Use incivility as and when necessary. Focus on the masses and ply them with lies and untruths. Dismiss the intellectuals as fools and corrupt the political process to win at any cost. Hitler and Stalin were ruthless thugs, and Abbott is right up there with the best them.
AntipodeanStar 8 months ago
@newsnational how is that correct? or is that not the 'mad monk' in the video clip? commie propaganda? how is that so?
santanocci 8 months ago
Anyone who supports the carbon tax is a sheep and can't think for themselves
WOGI5M 8 months ago
@WOGI5M Does that include the National Bank Chief Executive as well then? He just came out and trashed Tony Abbotts Direct Action Plan. If you cant address the subatance of the debate and call people "sheep" instead, you are the fool.
AntipodeanStar 8 months ago
@AntipodeanStar You're the fool. The executive you're referring to benefits from the tax. Learn how to spell before replying.
WOGI5M 8 months ago
Tony Abbott:"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax? Why not ask motorists to pay more?
Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?
And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.
It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price on carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."
geeksrulz 8 months ago 13
*IF* you want a price on carbon THEN a carbon tax is the best way to do it... you realise this idea is not mutually exclusive with NOT supporting a price on carbon at all?
fleeced 8 months ago
@fleeced yes but the liberal party policy is still to price carbon, just not through a carbon tax but through their "direct action" strategy which will be funded by, income tax.
1991njl 8 months ago
@1991njl Which isn't a price on carbon but a tax on the people to maybe, possibly clean up existing polluters without changing anything.
flyingpigstuff 8 months ago
@flyingpigstuff well it's making people pay more tax in accordance with how much carbon pollution there is.
1991njl 8 months ago
@flyingpigstuff It will cost a comparable amount and be funded by income tax, people are still paying a price for carbon.
1991njl 7 months ago
Another thing, do people here not watch the news at all? It's as if half of you think this footage is new or something, it was done and dusted ages ago. Abbott hasn't run away from it. Kind of desperate to drag it out again because he's successfully holding Gillard to account.
1CaptainAustralia1 8 months ago
Abbott: Doesn't actually advocate a Carbon (dioxide) tax but dares to speak about one in comparison to another useless policy.
Youtube Labor fanboys - OMG HYPOCRITE!!11!11
Gillard: Specifically and explicitly rules out carbon tax during a goddamn election campaign then forms a deal with the Greens saying she agrees we have to have one so she can get into power.
Youtube Labor fanboys: meh
1CaptainAustralia1 8 months ago
For once Mr Baldy has convinced me - we do need a price on carbon. Thanks for explaining its sheer simplicity and necessity.
chitchant 8 months ago
We need a Libertarian Conservative party here that espouses free speech, right to vote on issues to resolve issues once and for all, free markets up properly and promote more trade, let people keep their own money and look after themselves, reduce tax to 10% flat and stop the nanny state, Stop the Warmongering based on lies, mind our own business, stop foreign aid thats wasted, stop lying as career pollies. Just a few of the things they should be considering. Neither party do it.
Baldwynmayhem 8 months ago
Unbelievable, I as an Australian am deeply concerned our politicians are sold out like America on both sides. They are being controlled ladies and gents behind the scenes by very large corporate vested interests linked to Bilderberg Group, US Council of Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission (Ross Garnaut is a member btw), linked to UN policy. Time for the people to rally in my opinion, it's starting to happen in UK and US as well. We want democracy and liberty please, not lies/tyranny
Baldwynmayhem 8 months ago
he's an opinion for hire, he will say anything at all, he does not care. I wish it were someone else hiring him
walletandkeys 8 months ago
The Greatest hypocrite .....Vote Tony Abbott you are deaf Dumb and Blind Tony Tony Tony come on down then again the Australian people deserve somone like you if its not a carbon tax you will bring in a new tax .and just blame the Labor party and what else would you do Tony.....No Dole for under 21s No Single Mothers pension and yes you will stop the boats well anyway Tony Channel 7 and ch9 ch10 Sky Channel Fox are working 24/7 to put you in power & your old mates Alan Jones , Andrew Bolt
flyerboy1963 8 months ago
Well, you have to balance the currency somehow...The only other method you can use is depopulation.
Anon371 8 months ago
Ha ha ha! Abbott caught with his pants down (metaphorically speaking)! Bye bye election!
ilaconix 8 months ago
I'm so, so glad that we have an alternative Prime Minister with a nuanced understanding of such an important issue. What a fucking hypocrite.
ChrisGatfield 8 months ago 3
deep down he likes the carbon tax which is why he hates Julia Gillards carbon tax BECAUSE HE WANTED A CARBON TAX FIRST!!!
IIZODIIAC 9 months ago
He's a grub. The problem is so many Australians have caught the mob hysteria that says he is honourable and competent. Makes me laugh and cry at the same time.
SquarkingCockatoo 9 months ago
WTF, isn't he against the Carbon Tax?????
lisaboxer 9 months ago
@lisaboxer
He isn't for or against anything except his ambition and the game of politics. He is an empty shell, a proven, repeated liar and incompetent especially economically. He was happy with a $1billion for a hospital for Andrew Wilkie's vote, when he didn't have, for example. He will do anything, including being two faced on climate change, for advantage.
SquarkingCockatoo 9 months ago 4
@lisaboxer He is against it, he's just trying to criticise the Labor Party. Listen in detail to what he's saying.
AnthosHero 8 months ago
Abbott is a weathervane on all issues but this one is a little too serious to play petty politics with. He was for an ETS and a Carbon tax. Howard and Turnbull were for an ETS.
Then the denialist neanderthals took control of the Libs! Shame on Abbott for putting his ambition ahead of the environment. Climate change will not wait for him or us it will just keep going until we reach tipping points then we are all farked.
God help the next generation because we will not!!!
Evidenceoveropinion 9 months ago 15
Yes agreed Labour and Liberal are similarly crap... go the socialists!
tanchyon 9 months ago
@tanchyon No, that's the entire problem. The Labor party are socialists:
Just look up the Australian Fabian Society and see what I'm talking about.
See for yourself.
AnthosHero 9 months ago
@AnthosHero What crap... they're historically more progressives than socialists and the majority of people in the ALP are centrists or center-right these days anyway, they're middle of the road and moderates. Socialists...don't make me laugh, you obviously wouldn't know a socialist if one came up and slapped you, find out what these terms mean first
BigDeanoSyd 9 months ago
@BigDeanoSyd Well firstly, my point was that their stated goal is for the ALP to move towards more of a leftist "Socialist-Democratic" System.
Secondly, I think you need to define the difference yourself before you start insulting your fellow YouTubers. A Socialist organisation is one that is after social reform, higher taxes but also things like public education and public health care. A Conservative system promotes free enterprise and privatisation, giving control to business.
AnthosHero 9 months ago
@AnthosHero Agreed
tanchyon 5 months ago
@BigDeanoSyd The Labor party promotes things like increased taxes (such as on Cigarettes, Mining, and Carbon). They also promote things like having a Reserve Bank (which was invented by Karl Marx). Plus, their new policy of "Taxing the Carbon" and then "giving that money back to the people" IS Communism by definition. I think you need to do some more research.
AnthosHero 9 months ago
@AnthosHero Giving money the government gets from taxes back to the people is communism? O_o
I suppose the govt should just throw it in the air or buy yachts for themselves with it instead...
Please tell me you'll never run for government.
SunlightFromCucumber 9 months ago
@SunlightFromCucumber As an alternative I suggest that instead of taxing so much just to give it back they could just reduce all taxes, which would not only make people richer but it would encourage business to move here which would strengthen the economy.
AnthosHero 8 months ago
@AnthosHero Reduce taxes and you've still got taxes. What do you suggest they do with the (reduced) taxation revenue? NOT invest it in the Australian people? Seriously??
SunlightFromCucumber 8 months ago
@AnthosHero This is part of the global elite plan my friend, we are easy prey i'm afraid with Authoritarian laws/government, anyone speaks up, you get locked up instantly, there is no free speech and no democracy, and certainly not a free market economically. The Liberals are not Liberal i'm afraid, they run under the guise, but realistically do little ultimately of any real note to reduce tax, reduce Govt, promote capitialism, innovation, ingenuity among other positive items through hardwork.
Baldwynmayhem 8 months ago
Not sure whether to thumbs up or thumbs down this, thumbs up that he's a hypocritical bible-basher, or thumbs up to replace a carbon tax with a tax?!?!
rickticktumbler 9 months ago
Not sure whether to thumbs up or thumbs down this, thumbs up that he's a hypocritical bible-basher, or thumbs up to replace a carbon tax with a tax?!?!
rickticktumbler 9 months ago
no surprise about this - Abbott is just SHONKY
but what are the Labour party doing ??
they are a hopeless bunch of amateurs for letting this slimey shitester intimidate them.
smoothg101 9 months ago 2
So, instead of the big companies paying the money because they are the ones making the pollution, he wants the working class man to pay for it instead.
God I love conservatives.
Greenfrost6 9 months ago
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kzfm100 9 months ago
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kzfm100 9 months ago
The original reference for this misleading video is Sky News - Interview with Tony Abbott feature=youtu.be. He is not saying that he would use a carbon tax, but was talking about the Rudd governments mandate and made it clear that Liberals would not be doing it what Labor was doing. He considered a carbon tax was preferable to Rudds ETS. He did not say he would institute a carbon tax in government. Rudd had a mandate for Carbon tax, Gillard does not. This is more Labor apologists mumbo jumbo.
kzfm100 9 months ago
@kzfm100 Whether you think Labor is the greatest thing since sliced bread or a streaming pile of horse manure, what does that have to do with the fact that Abbot is clearly a duplicitous hypocrite?
If you think the Gillard Govt is bullshit, you should seek an alternative that is genuinely better, not desperately defend this idiot.
SunlightFromCucumber 9 months ago 26
@SunlightFromCucumber Agreed, Tony Abbot seems more interested in saying the opposite of what ever the government says to get support than he is in Australia's future.
purplehatcult 7 months ago
@kzfm100 the speech on Tony Abbott's website "A REALIST'S APPROACH TO CLIMATE CHANGE" dated July 27th 2009 repudiates your comment.
richspur2004 9 months ago
OMG how embarrassing for the opposition and the sycophants on red neck radio. Has any one heard how the shock jocks like Alan Jones are spinning this?
swampwoodland 9 months ago
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Operationjugular 9 months ago
Tony the labour government has stolen your toxic carbon tax policy, the bastards, I thought you had no policies, its obvious you are keeping them secrete because labour keeps steeling them.
2porangi 9 months ago
The context is in the question he was asked.
PJRABBITOH 9 months ago
oh tony you bloody beauty!!!!
ru71 9 months ago
(2/2) In the speech I just referenced, to add weight to his point, he then quotes former British chancellor of the exchequer, Nigel Lawson “if people are happy to pay a carbon tax, provided it is not at too high a level and the proceeds are used to cut income tax, that would not be a disaster”.
This is exactly what the government is doing with it's carbon tax.
richspur2004 9 months ago
(1/2) If you think that this quote from Abbott has been taken out of context, I recommend you read the speech titled "A REALIST'S APPROACH TO CLIMATE CHANGE" on Tony Abbott's website dated July 29th 2009 (youtube doesn't let you link in comments section)
An extract:
"If Australia is greatly to reduce its carbon emissions, the price of carbon intensive products should rise"
"a new tax would be the intelligent skeptic’s way to deal with minimising emissions "
richspur2004 9 months ago
how stupid are austrlaians for believing hypocrite that he will not bring in a carbon tax
his direct policy is a carbon tax
TheGhosthorror 9 months ago
He's not saying he wants a carbon tax, he's just explaining how such a tax would work...
ashleythwaites1989 9 months ago
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@ashleythwaites1989 before you leap to Abbott's defence, read the speech titled "A REALIST'S APPROACH TO CLIMATE CHANGE" on Tony Abbott's website dated July 29th 2009 (youtube doesn't let you link in comments section). In short, he strongly advocated for a carbon tax.
richspur2004 9 months ago
@ashleythwaites1989 Piffle, he's saying it is the best and only way to deal with climate change which is very different to what he is saying NOW....He always has been so full of crap, he'll do and say anything to be PM, no real integrity beyond his own ambition
BigDeanoSyd 9 months ago
I looked up the longer interview with SKY news back in 2009 when the ETS was proposed. This shorter version has not been taken out of context. He's saying a carbon tax is a simpler way to put price on carbon than an ETS. Now he's saying neither is the way to go - direct action is the way to go. His direct action is to reward polluters for polluting less and do nothing to those who continue. Keep on beating your wife once a week, its okay, but reduce it to once a month, and we will pay you.
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SkipperPhil 9 months ago
A liar, phoney and pretender.
SkipperPhil 9 months ago 2
Tony Abbott supports Cate Blanchett?????
johnboon49 9 months ago
@johnboon49 Or Cate B. supports Tony A.?? Remember he was the first to offer the Australian people the benefit of the CT. Julia G. stole his line. That's why he is so upset and relentless. Julia is not only a lair, but a thief as well. Then you have the serial leaker Rudd - watch this space and expect some new stuff coming out soon. He is not over it. The only thing he loves more than his travel is leaking confidential stuff. I love this country.......
TheDonvel 9 months ago
poor mr workchoices poor rich liberals i recall under lazarus howard we will never never introduce a gst workchoices awb scandal weapons of mass hysteria children overboard tampa howards brother well the madmonk is what he is captain telephone anti worker but for the poor libs no matter how wrong he does they seem to forget he cut 1 billion of the health system said workchoices was good for working families what a wonderful person for the wealthy yes keep voting for mr workchoices the madmonk
luneco100 9 months ago
I don't particularly support either party but this just highlights what is wrong with out political system/environment.
Both leaders believe in their heart of hearts that the carbon tax is the right thing to do, but both are prepared to lie about it in order to win public support. They both know that a considerable percentage of Australians are too lazy or ignorant to bother trying to understand it properly and instead just think tax = bad.
martyshire 9 months ago
Someone put this man in a pro-carbon action television ad!!!
ColloidalWarrior 9 months ago 11
thepreciouspup 9 months ago
@thepreciouspup This is so true. it exemplifies the whole notion that Abbott is just a negative minded opportunist who is more interested in destabilising government rather then working constructively to create good policy outcomes.
TheMetaknight28 9 months ago
@TheDonvel, your argument as to its irrelevance should'nt be that the taxes are different (merely different in where applied and where and how redeemed, but both are taxes), your argument should be that Abbott doesn't think carbon should be priced at all. He doesn't, he doesn't understand how science works period, let alone the climate science debate. If they don't see there is an issue, why are they offering a stupid plan that will waste a lot of money for something they think is not an issue?
Akula0 9 months ago
@Akula0 sorry didn't get your point here. How is GST like tax the same as the proposed CT? I also said that he would have to raise taxes to pay for the 4 years of Labor binge spending and mismanagement. Cameron raised the VAT in UK. You have heard of the PIGS countries in EU. They were all governed by socialist (and communists in Greece) Well, Portugal had elections last weekend and the far right radicals won it. Thanks Gillard for giving us Tony!
TheDonvel 9 months ago
This is brilliant tacics. Abbott doesn't say he supports a carbon tax. He says, if you want to put a price on carbon a carbon tax is one way to do it. Where's the confusion? Gillard fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Abbott's now a shoe-in at the next election. Gillard's a gonner. Abbott has never gone to an election promising a carbon tax, has he?
Panther10001000 9 months ago
Yawn, another beat up from the Abbott haters. He quite clearly says "If you want to price carbon" notice the world "If". All you could really draw from this interview is that he prefers a carbon tax over an ETS. However, nowhere in this interview does he support putting a price on carbon. Sorry to spoil the illusion.
anuswans 9 months ago
It's 60/40 to the No CT vote at the moment. Realists will still vote for the proposed policy that is current (except for any Gillard/Swan stated policy) at the next election.
Unfortunately it may be too late by then.
ellicattube 9 months ago
The only thing Tony Abbott is sincere about is wanting the keys to Kirribilli House and The Lodge.
chinda63 9 months ago 12
Well what was he arguing for? a carbon price? The man is on the record advocating a carbon tax. he has made his bed, now he must lay in it.
liberalcynic 9 months ago
@liberalcynic possibly with Julia??? Lairs must lay in the same bed, no?
TheDonvel 9 months ago
@TheDonvel at no point in Her Camapign did she say she wouldn't act.
and as she didn't have a majority government the mandate was formed with the agreement between independents and the government. the mandate stems from there - we choose that parliament, and it has a mandate to act on the legitimate mandate we have those people with seats to negotiate laws.
liberalcynic 9 months ago
@liberalcynic OK, so what's the deal with "hysterically inaccurate statement being made by the opposition" , then? They have mandate, ok, go ahead and do it. You like it - good for you, you have just saved the planet. I don;t like, I think it's unnecessary and it will achieve nothing. So I am a right wing radical- it that so, is that simple. So is Obama, the Japan labor government, Canadian one etc. Class enemies of the working class - is that what you want to hear?
TheDonvel 9 months ago
Fucking hypocrite.
ChristopherMarston 9 months ago 44
I can't decide whether politics in this country is a comedy, or a tragedy? I think the word I'm looking for is farce.
joycey17 9 months ago
This will cost Abbott the next election.
89Djm 9 months ago 28
Tony Abbott stands for nothing!
86saintgeorge 9 months ago 2
a carbon tax will hurt australia and do nothing for the world
phloaton 9 months ago
@phloaton not according to Tony Abbott
richspur2004 9 months ago
35 secs. Put up the COMPLETE i/v - jerk!
MedusaKnows 9 months ago
@MedusaKnows the user has linked to the complete interview in the description
richspur2004 9 months ago
Clutching at straws dragging up this after 2 years. I don't think that's a game the blind or hoodwinked side would want to get into lol. Wouldn't have to go back too far to hear some of the current sprukers of the CT being shown up with alternate opinions...."There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead" just for starters hahaha
ellicattube 9 months ago
@ellicattube I think your comment is clutching at straws. He would have preferred a carbon tax to the ETS Turnbull negotiated with the government (which he supported at the time of the interview)
richspur2004 9 months ago
@richspur2004 Pfft. Talk about something from the current term. A lot of water under the bridge since then and a lot of new analysis that shows the CT is a complete waste of effort. All pain for no gain. Why deny this ? None are so blind as those that will not see. What will be the price in the 2nd year, third year, fourth year ? What will the amount of compensation be in the 2nd 3rd 4th ....years ? Why has the UK put in a get out clause for 2014 ? Why does Spain have 20%+ unemployment ?
ellicattube 9 months ago
Hahahahahaha............ the funniest thing I've seen for ages.
stevefoypl 9 months ago 3
I could watch this all day.
Woorigal 9 months ago 4
OMG Tony Abbott LIED to the Australian public !!!
comingtogetyou2 9 months ago
He was making the point that if you REALLY wanted to tax carbon (and it actually not be just a robin-hood tax) you COULD put a 'simple' tax on carbon output and then allow businesses to, like all other taxation, claim it in the annual return you would have achieved 'something' like taxing carbon.
BUT - What happens if the burden of administrating a tax like this higher than the revenue gained? Would it still be worth it? NO!
Putting words into his mouth, by suggesting he wants this, is wrong.
TheRVMGuy 9 months ago
@TheRVMGuy Lets call a spade a spade here without resorting to weasel words. This clip shows that he preferred a carbon tax to the ETS in 2009. He supported the ETS when Turnbull was Opposition leader and then back flipped when offered a chance to become leader from Minchin, Joyce, Bernardi, Robb and co.
richspur2004 9 months ago
@richspur2004 Hang on mate - look who is using weasel words as he speaks! If you have any understanding how a political party works, in public, you stand behind the leader. You can have heated discussions in-house, but outside that, you can't. AND if you want to be outside talking, well, we all have the option of being Bob Katter if we wish!
BUT, the only backflip that is of note - is the one that Julia committed. She was the leader and was in the position to talk to the policy!
TheRVMGuy 9 months ago
@TheRVMGuy so you're saying it's okay for Abbott to have one standard for himself and another for the Prime Minister.
He and his supporters have been judging Gillard on her previous words and her backroom discussions for the last three months, yet when the shoe moves to the other foot, you cry foul! Give me a break!
richspur2004 9 months ago
@richspur2004 No mate, what I am saying, is that if you are the leader, you have the agenda. You, with the numbers in the party room, hold the sway, the direction, of the party (at that time)
Gillard WAS the Leader when she said that there would not be a Carbon Tax whilst she was Leader.
I am not the one crying foul here. I am stating facts. She was the leader, she made a decision, her party moved in a direction and then when the electorate DIDN'T give her a mandate, she got it via others!
TheRVMGuy 9 months ago
@TheRVMGuy the only defence I will give of Gillard is the rejection of mandate political theory on the grounds of the hung parliament not giving her a clear mandate to implement ALP policy (and Abbott would have been held to the same constraint so don't belittle it).
As for your other claim, the Liberal Party is meant to respect individual views (or so they claim). This is a view that Abbott put forward when he supported the ETS. The backflip is undeniable.
richspur2004 9 months ago 2
@TheRVMGuy Standing behind your leader? This is what we don't understand nor accept in this country. Look at the evidence - Gillard knifed Rudd and we were OK with it. Even she got elected. Brown shut down Rudd's ETS for not going far enough - he is back in the senate Rudd puts more millage than Buzz Aldrin. As the poet says: "Knowledge and reason change like a season, like a jester's promenade". But let them have the fun while it lasts.
TheDonvel 9 months ago
@TheDonvel ... The reason this clip IS relevant is because he is saying that IF you want to put a price on carbon the best way would be with a carbon tax, yet his party (excluding Malcom) now say that the best way is their absurd direct action plan, which was the basis for Tony Jones question, could the opposition support a carbon tax in any way.) Why would a party, that doesn't accept there is a real problem, offer any climate plan at all, if it's isn't political opportunism?
Akula0 9 months ago
@Akula0 the reason as to why this is irrelevant is simple. Abbott does not believe in the science of global warming - calls it "unsettled". The tax he is talking about here is just another GST - we charge you - you claimed back, if you can. The rest of us - well, tough luck. This is not what Gillard propose - wealth re-distribution-we tax everyone and give back to the ones we deemed poor. They decided who is poor and is not. Is not about fixing the planet, it is about buying votes.
TheDonvel 9 months ago
HAHAHHHHHAAAAHA. I LOVE THIS! :D
georgiefirst 9 months ago
Brilliant!
They should just run this as an ad.
broadcastali 9 months ago
Carbon Tax Abbott - what a Phoney!
SkipperPhil 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Just saw this on the ABC's Q&A. Wow, this is a better ad than the one with Cate Blanchett.
redlightmax 9 months ago 5
Get ready for this to get smashed by comments all i can say is BACKFLIP!!
Makingwaves356 9 months ago