metric modulation means groups of different # which superimpose over a common #. For a basic rough ex, a passage of 5 - 4 -7 7 - 4 - 5 , but feel as 16th notes in 4/4.
If you loop the beat that is going on (both drummers bass and snare parts) between 6:10-6:14you get a really awesome groove in 6/8 i.e. something like this:
Great! People toss around tempo/ time/ metre. I thought once you change time signature as in this demo, you've changed the meter (metric change) - tempo relative to bpm. Modulating "key" doesn't change tempo or signature only th principal oscillating frequencies of the harmonic structure of a work.... blah blah blah-ing ;) Now i get the terminology, metric modulation happens all the time inside the polyrhythms & especially solos in W.African drumming & singing. Thumbs up teacher! play music
It's so good I feel I should pay you for a lesson. J' adore polyrhythms. You probably know Magma? Also on You Tube is Junky Funk with really strong work with polyrhythms.
not bad but metric modulation does not necessarily have anything to do with polyrhythms ... it simply means moving the groove to the next 16th or 8th note ... actually most metric modulation is most effective in a straight up rock beat where you move the backbeat and bass drums either an 8th note or 16th note
no ... what you describe is a time change or meter change ... metric modulation means moving the feel or start of a groove within the same time signature ...
Well, yes, in the context in the vid above (as with Gavin Harrison's books) it's used as 'implied metric modulation' (that is, the tempo doesn't actually change), but metric modulation does involve a time change (in the same way that harmonic modulation involves a key change), but moving the start of the groove is called displacement (a la Vinnie C's "I'm Tweeked").
no man .... it seems like you are using like dictionary definitions for metric and modulation .... the truth is in the drumming world , the real world of communicating drummers use .. metric modulation is no different than beat displacement or playing " backwards " as dave weckl calls it .... if a drummer wants to talk about changing the time he uses numbers ... ok , from 4 to 7 at this bar ... i have no idea what harmonic modulation means but trust me , it is irrelevant to this discussion
@ sweetfly66: Sorry to say sweetfly, but johngregsonguitar is 100% correct. This video demonstrates metric modulation and NOT beat displacement. These are two different concepts known to the "rest of us" in the "real world of communicating drummers".
Actually, it is pedantic in that it exhibits and explains a chart of music that is utilized as a teaching tool.
Other than you not really making any sense in this particular reply, great video. Maybe you could have even gone beyond 16ths on the hats and played quints on them. whooooaaaaa.
You come across very arrogant with comments like these.
I have never cared for being so pedantic with terms but you can create a new tempo using tuplets. this is quite common on many scores where it will be indicated that dotted 8ths=8ths.
If you have a 'less clunky' way of doing this show us....
metric modulation means groups of different # which superimpose over a common #. For a basic rough ex, a passage of 5 - 4 -7 7 - 4 - 5 , but feel as 16th notes in 4/4.
PositivelyBored 10 months ago
i have to show metric modulation going from 9/8 to 8/8 and then 8/8 to 12/8
rizzdrums4life 1 year ago
If you loop the beat that is going on (both drummers bass and snare parts) between 6:10-6:14you get a really awesome groove in 6/8 i.e. something like this:
| b&2bs&b&bs6& | s&2bb&b&bs6& |
TheReligionkills 1 year ago
this seems realy cool, ive gotta try this out, your a freaking awesome teacher!
shredfix1993 1 year ago
Great! People toss around tempo/ time/ metre. I thought once you change time signature as in this demo, you've changed the meter (metric change) - tempo relative to bpm. Modulating "key" doesn't change tempo or signature only th principal oscillating frequencies of the harmonic structure of a work.... blah blah blah-ing ;) Now i get the terminology, metric modulation happens all the time inside the polyrhythms & especially solos in W.African drumming & singing. Thumbs up teacher! play music
paapakobe 1 year ago
It's so good I feel I should pay you for a lesson. J' adore polyrhythms. You probably know Magma? Also on You Tube is Junky Funk with really strong work with polyrhythms.
snowypetrel 2 years ago
i think a better explanation of the step 6 min 2:50 maybe can be that are Quarter note triplets divided in 2...
delpimpo 2 years ago
not bad but metric modulation does not necessarily have anything to do with polyrhythms ... it simply means moving the groove to the next 16th or 8th note ... actually most metric modulation is most effective in a straight up rock beat where you move the backbeat and bass drums either an 8th note or 16th note
sweetfly66 2 years ago
"it simply means moving the groove to the next 16th or 8th note"
You're describing displacement, not metric modulation.
Metric modulation, by definition, involves a metric change.
johngregsonguitar 2 years ago 3
no ... what you describe is a time change or meter change ... metric modulation means moving the feel or start of a groove within the same time signature ...
sweetfly66 2 years ago
Well, yes, in the context in the vid above (as with Gavin Harrison's books) it's used as 'implied metric modulation' (that is, the tempo doesn't actually change), but metric modulation does involve a time change (in the same way that harmonic modulation involves a key change), but moving the start of the groove is called displacement (a la Vinnie C's "I'm Tweeked").
johngregsonguitar 2 years ago
no man .... it seems like you are using like dictionary definitions for metric and modulation .... the truth is in the drumming world , the real world of communicating drummers use .. metric modulation is no different than beat displacement or playing " backwards " as dave weckl calls it .... if a drummer wants to talk about changing the time he uses numbers ... ok , from 4 to 7 at this bar ... i have no idea what harmonic modulation means but trust me , it is irrelevant to this discussion
sweetfly66 2 years ago
@ sweetfly66: Sorry to say sweetfly, but johngregsonguitar is 100% correct. This video demonstrates metric modulation and NOT beat displacement. These are two different concepts known to the "rest of us" in the "real world of communicating drummers".
Cool video, thanks for posting.
themancable 2 years ago
Thumbs up to Paul, how he managed to keep time while you played in the background. Great vid, I learned alot, thanks.
janken919 2 years ago
You could probably do it as well. It's not as hard as you think it is, and with a bit of practice you could definitely do it.
modestvermin995 2 years ago
Truely Inspirational stuff.
BTLDrummer 3 years ago
Nice drumming.
Nice background poster :D
KanuZankoro 3 years ago
Actually, it is pedantic in that it exhibits and explains a chart of music that is utilized as a teaching tool.
Other than you not really making any sense in this particular reply, great video. Maybe you could have even gone beyond 16ths on the hats and played quints on them. whooooaaaaa.
EliteOfTheRad 3 years ago
WOW thanks for sharin this!!!
GOLD!!!
biomorfo 3 years ago
You come across very arrogant with comments like these.
I have never cared for being so pedantic with terms but you can create a new tempo using tuplets. this is quite common on many scores where it will be indicated that dotted 8ths=8ths.
If you have a 'less clunky' way of doing this show us....
boondoxotron 3 years ago 2
really awesome guys! good job
Drakken788 3 years ago
Spapper!
AcousticTreat 3 years ago
Wow! Great, I'm the first to comment.
Andy,I really enjoyed this tutorial. Especially how you broke it down both verbally and visually.
Hope this clip gets a million hits bro.
Cheers!
eskimoposh 3 years ago