Response: Barack Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate / Lucas Smith / Coast Province General Hospital

[bsteadman1]

Barack Hussein Obama II, illegal President, was born August 4, 1961 at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya and NOT in Hawaii as he claims. A high resolution copy of OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE is available for free download at WasObamaBornInKenya (DOTcom) … Lucas Daniel Smith obtained a certified copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate from the birth hospital in February 2009. His amazing story is told in a VIDEO that is also available for viewing at the same website.

[sogholi]

Hear it straight from Obama's mouth. Go to: PROOF The Birth Certificate is Real! IT'S OVER BIRTHERS! GROW UP!

[Moonflower52]

Oh what creative minds we all have..:)..thought's and more thought's...thought's becoming words..video's become eye candy....it would be so boring:( to read every body's comments if they were all the same:(...Enjoy the Creative Mind..Life is But A Word Game:)

[Salment]

Birthers are not american, they are all born in retardistan. Go back too retardistan you morons!

[miguelisms]

WTF? He stated his name was Lucas Smith in his video. And why does everyone have to be backing somebody as if there's a conspiracy against the president? It is what it is , is it not? Jesus Christ !!! You all should be more concerned about the legitamacy of the Constitution right now and demand answers not fightning on a Youtube comments board on the internet, getting you no where.

[solearth]

I don't understand why demanding proof of constitutional eligibility is a double standard. How many previous candidates refused, upon demand, to provide a long form certificate to the electors?

The certificate on this video looks as at least as real as the one the Democrats had presented.

If Obama/Soetoro would simply sign a release, so that the people can get the long form certificate, and verify that it had not been recently fabricated, this issue can be put to rest.

[Mystylplx]

@solearth

"How many previous candidates refused, upon demand, to provide a long form certificate to the electors?"

It's never been demanded before. And he's shown a valid, legal, state certified birth certificate. The distinction between "long form" and "short form" just comes out of ignorance of what a birth certificate is and means.

[9nunyabiz9]

@Mystylplx He's shown NOTHING that is PHYSICAL (because he would be exposed as ineligible and a sorry lying bastard, which everyone already realizes) or that Hawaii officials will declare "authentic". The "long form" is STILL available on request and it contains much more legal information than the FORGED "COLB" that Blowbama the fraud has attempted to con America with - it didn't work, YOU LYING FOOL!

[Mystylplx]

@9nunyabiz9

Go back to school junior.

[9nunyabiz9]

@Mystylplx Why don't you? Your "education" does't equate to 1/10th of mine and your common sense has been missing in action for your entire lifetime.

[9nunyabiz9]

@Mystylplx BTW, Do you know what the criminal penalty for violation of "The Hatch Act" is? You'll soon find out, you're NOT "protected".

[Mystylplx]

@9nunyabiz9

Yeah, you've got me all aquiver, junior. Aren't you supposed to be fingerpainting or something?

[9nunyabiz9]

@Mystylplx Isn't your mom home from the crack house yet?

[Lisa4588]

Again, Has anyone researched the Principal Registrar's office for Coast Province, Kenya in Mombasa to see if Obama's birth was really recorded in their Birth Register Book 44B on Page 5733?

Or in a public records office for Honolulu County (Book # unknown) and see if his birth record is listed there?

Where I live, in the Auditor's Office you can search a database yourself for a name. Then find the actual Book, Page and Document and make a copy. Anyone in either Hawaii and/or Mombasa?

[Mystylplx]

Someone should gather up all the forged Kenyan (and Canadian) birth certificates birfoons have made for Obama and set them up as an art exhibit. It would be very "Warhol."

[hamofbuddha]

Thank you satan.

[Dt0x75]

Picture this if you guys can.....

World War 2....1945.....Nazi Germany.

That is the situation today with the birthers.

[InViewofForever]

I recently compared Obama's COLB with four real Hawaiian Certifications of Live Birth. There's a ton of difference between them. First off, BO's COLB has no seal. Oh, wait! After that was noticed, I think his forgers put one out with an illegible seal.

Anyway, the real ones say "Date Accepted by State Registrar." His says "Date filed by registrar." Real ones have folds and creases. His is just an electronic form, posted in a pathetic attempt to fool the foolish. It worked on obots!

[smokeyriverband]

I've been working with Barry's COLB in depth creating forgeries for my Senator Spencer Bachus, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and many others. You are exactly right...when compared to REAL scanned in COLBs, Barry's is "pristine" with no marks, no folds, no seal, no smudges...nothing...nadda. The seal that was added later in the Fatchance photos has no lettering like a real one would...just a picture of a plant. It's not only a forgery...but a bad one at that.

[Mystylplx]

He's proved he's American born FAR beyond what any prior President has ever even been asked to do, but it's still not enough.

And BTW Artie, he hasn't spent a penny on those frivolous birther suits. That's another birther lie that gets spread around. His lawyer does them pro bono because they are so easy. None of them have gone past day one.

[ArtieN54]

He's proven nothing. His college records are sealed, This man is a mystery. And BTW, he doesn't have "a" lawyer, he has a team of lawyers that are highly paid. I doubt you even know the name of the law firm, nonetheless, the point remains, WHY FIGHT LAWSUITS? Just show your $18 birth certificate and that's it, it makes no sense to spend so much money fighting something that you could clear up very easily.

[Mystylplx]

The law firm is Perkins Coi (maybe misspelled) and only one lawyer is dealing with the birther suits.

So why the double standard? Why is no amount of proof good enough for the black President? He's proven WAY beyond any other President. Most never showed a BC at all. He's gone way beyond just that, but it's still not good enough.

Why the double standard?

[ArtieN54]

the "black" president? I thought you considered him just "the" president. When all else fails, just throw in "race", huh? Stick to the issues, if you can. He has not proven anything FAR beyond anyone else, and he is equally responsible to prove his eligibility as all other presidents before him and all that come after him. There is no double standard, only for you, apparently.

[Mystylplx]

"and he is equally responsible to prove his eligibility as all other presidents before him and all that come after him. There is no double standard, only for you, apparently."

You are obstinately ignorant. Most Presidents never showed a BC at all. It most certainly IS a double standard.

So why is he being asked to provide sooooo much more proof than ANY prior President? If it's not because he's black then why is it?

[Shiftfallout]

Because most presidents in the past have come from well known families with histories that any journalist, author, or politician could find. Obama is the son of two foreign men, one biological, one not. His mother was all over the world, her political views radical. Little is known on this person who is suddenly president.

Race has nothing to do with it, knowledge does. They even did the same to McCain, but he was open with all his documents. No other president was this unknown, ever.

[Mystylplx]

Baloney. His mother had never left the country at the time Obama was born. And the childhood stories of very few Presidents are well known or well confirmed. As much is known about him as any other President.

And since when have Presidents only come from "well-known families?" That's nonsense. If anything it's the exception that Presidents come from well known families. Most Presidents aren't Kennedy's.

[Mystylplx]

And they did nothing like this to McCain. In his case he was born in Panama, so there was a valid question, but it was never this big a deal. And McCain did nothing more (less really) than Obama has done--he released his BC, just as Obama did.

[ArtieN54]

This is a big deal because he is yet to show his BC. A COLB is not a BC.

[Mystylplx]

You can keep repeating a COLB is not a BC till you're blue in the face. But that don't make it so. It's the only kind of BC HI gives out. They call it a BC. The other 37 states that give short forms call them BC's. The U.S. State Dept. calls them BC's.

Everyone except birthers know it's a BC.

[supercooltunes1]

You're simply wrong and should lay off of the coolaide.

[Mystylplx]

Well, in the face of such a brilliant rebuttal I must stand corrected.

You should really contact the HI DOH and the Governor and explain to them how they are also wrong. And while your at it call up WorldNetDaily and tell them why the forgery experts they hired got it wrong too.

Just tell them, "You're simply wrong and should lay off the coolaide (sic)" I'm sure they all will bow to your superior knowledge and intellect.

[ArtieN54]

It's because his COLB is a fake, and proven to be fake. Plain and simple. I don't care who the person is, the elegibility has to be clear. BTW, John McCain's eligibility was questioned and he provided all of his relevent information. Again, stick to the point, apparently being "black" is important to you, but the lady justice is blind.

[Mystylplx]

The COLB is not fake. The only people who say it's fake are birthers. Not one single real expert has said it's fake.

[Mystylplx]

"Just show your $18 birth certificate and that's it,"

He has. So apparently that's not enough. It's the only kind of BC HI gives out.

So why the double standard?

[ArtieN54]

He has NOT, it is a COLB, not a BC. I fail to see your point about a double standard.

[Mystylplx]

From the DHHL website--

"Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification."

[brygenon]

The COLB is now the official birth certificate of the state of Hawaii. And whatever you call it, it's a state record.

"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State." -- U.S. Constitution, Article IV, Section 1

[luilun]

I applied for Federal Employment, I had to provide my birth certificate. Somone running for President dosn't have to!! what the fuck

[melonheadish]

I think there are two things everyone has forgotten.....

1) To be an American born citizen is one of the criterion to be President and

2) Capitulate???? He is supposed to be working for us....not the other way around.

Either he's a liar or he just really likes controversy no matter what he says.

[GoodVibedGuy]

1) WHY WON"t THEY RELEASE THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SITTING IN THE FILE IN HAWAII AND END ALL THIS?

2) IS IT RACIST VOTING FOR SOMEONE ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK?

3) IS A BLACK PRESIDENT IMMUNE FROM BEING ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS?

[clarity023]

Obama released his COLB long time ago and the entire state of Hawaii certified it with a raised seal and the Registrar signature. This one is obviously a fake, that is why the camera is so shaky a trick like people do when filming ghosts and chupacabra videos Nice try ( but still a fake)

[ArtieN54]

1) I am puzzled by that myself

2) YES, it is racist to vote for someone "solely" because he is black, it cut's both ways, it's like voting for someone "solely" because their white. Same thing.

3) NO President should be immune to scrutiny, but for some reason, this one has been. I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT, but it is FRUSTRATING AS HELL.

[supercooltunes1]

Evidently so. All the progressives (soft-commies) have to do to shut down an argument is to drop the R bomb (call someone a racist), and case closed.

[Mystylplx]

Uh, YOU'RE the one who brought up racism, so what was your point again?

Actually, birthers ARE racists, but it's a lot easier to sghut them down than that. They are also liars and their lies are easy to disprove. So it's easier to shut them down that way.

[Mystylplx]

It's obviously a fake. The dates are in American style format (mm/dd/yyyy) instead of British format (dd/mm/yyyy) which is what's used in Kenya.

[ArtieN54]

It's probably a fake, but so is that computerized COLB on his (Obama's)website.

[Mystylplx]

That's funny. The BC on Obama's website has been confirmed by the HI DOH, the REpublican Gov. of HI, and even by forgery experts hired by ultra conservative WND.

I love how birthers keep saying Obama's certificate is a fake with absolutely no evidence other than wishful thinking and hope, then call Obama supporters "hopers."

[ArtieN54]

MM, Wrong! HI DOH did not confirm the COLB on the website, it confirmed vital records, there is a difference. If Linda Lingle declared the COLB authentic, I certainly missed it. As far as WND, there is still a $10,000 challenge put out by Worl Net Daily as a reward to anyone with pertinent information regarding Obama's Birth in HI. Why hasn't the Dr. who delivered such an historic figure come forward to claim the fame?

[Mystylplx]

Oh. "Vital records." They must have meant his library card.

Desperate any? They confirmed he was born in Honolulu. Just like his certificate says. All the desperate word parsing in the world doesn't change that. You birthers are starting to sound like Bill Clinton and the meaning of what "is" is.

The certificate says he was born in Honolulu. HI DOH says he was born in Honolulu. That confirmes the certificate. Birth announcements in papers further confirm it. The doctor is no doubt dead. 47Y

[ArtieN54]

OOOH! The Doctor is dead, huh? And you know this because is name is....., what? When did he die? What's that name again? I am not parsing any words. She said this: "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health..." How am I parsing words when that's exactly what she said? Try again...

[Mystylplx]

I don't even know what the name of the doctor who delivered ME is. It was 47 years ago. Unless the doctor was very young he's probably dead.

And you are rather desperately parsing words by saying "vital records" didn't refer to a birth certificate. A birth certificate is the "vital record" that tells when and where you were born. Fukino wasn't referring to a marriage record there...

[ArtieN54]

That's not the point. As it so happens I "do" know the name of the doctor that delivered me, it's right on MY birth certificate. But neither you, nor I are the president. Obama is, so, what's wrong with americans wanting to know for sure if he is legitimatelly the US president. Here's another one, which hospital delivered him. If I owned that hospital and I knew he was born there, I would proudly claim, birthplace of Barack Obama. Think about it. Analyze it.

[Mystylplx]

Kaipolani did proudly claim it. They included it in advertising.

And he's already proven it FAR beyond what any prior President ever has. When you say "Americans want to know for sure" you are ignoring that fact. It's insane. You don't want it proven, you want it disproven, and you won't accept any amount of proof for that reason.

And BTW--you don't speak for "Americans." Most Americans think birthers are nuts. They're right.

[ArtieN54]

I do speak for americans, a lot of americans, all your name calling does not discredit their right to question the eligibility of anyone. Particularly one that lies all the time. How can we trust someone that lies constantly? He is not credibly, nor is his certificate of live birth, which is NOT a birth certificate.

[Mystylplx]

You claim he lies constantly even as you lie constantly. It is a BC. It's not the original vault copy, but NO state gives out the original vault copy, only "certified" copies, which is exactly what he's shown. It's the only kind of certified copy HI gives. The MAJORITY of states now give short forms by preference, and several (like HI) give short forms exclusively.

It's a birth certificate by the common usage of the phrase. He's not the liar, birthers are the liars.

[ArtieN54]

He does lie CONSTANTLY. He's on video tape claiming he's for single payer and he's also on tape claiming he is not. He claims he never heard Rev Wright ranting all those racists comments for 20 years, he even claimed he couldn't disown him any more than his own uncle, remember that? and gues what, he did disown him once it became politically expedient. Obama is a liar, deal with it. So again, I tend to believe the expert Ron Polarik who saw the forgery COLB.

[Mystylplx]

Pffft. He has said if we were starting from scratch single payer would be the way to go, but we aren't starting from scratch. I guess that's too nuanced for you.

And I do love how all the ignorant people who don't know what they are talking about claim his BC is forged, but all the experts who actually know something about it say it's real. Gotta love the ignorant arrogance of the self-proclaimed internet experts. Even the real experts hired by WND say it's authentic.

[ArtieN54]

You are dreaming, WND is still paying for information regarding his birth, still has ads, there are no experts from WND providing proof about his COLB, it's a fake, it's a forgery. Deal with it.

[Mystylplx]

Aug. 23rd in WND--

"A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there."

[Mystylplx]

BTW, that WND article was Aug 23 of last year, not this year. So they've been running all those articles since knowing the forgery experts THEY hired said it was authentic. How's that for honest reporting?

[ArtieN54]

He clearly states: "I happen to be a proponent of a single payer system". Who's parsing words now Mysty?

[Mystylplx]

"So again, I tend to believe the expert Ron Polarik who saw the forgery COLB. "

ROFLMAO!

Polarik is (like all birthers) a fraud. His real name is Ron Polland, and the only thing he says which is true is he actually has a doctorate... in psychology.

Why do you think he blurred his face in all his videos? You can't be dumb enough to buy that crap about him fearing for his life. No ones that dumb.

[ArtieN54]

I can believe an expert more than I can believe a constant liar.

[Dt0x75]

"I don't even know what the name of the doctor who delivered ME is"

I know mine =D......but thats only due to he was a friend of my father, and my middle name is his full name. Yea otherwise I wouldbt know. What we are witnessing here is the last dying gasp of the birther movement. This is the last set of lawsuits they have going and they are being shot down one by one.

[Mystylplx]

It's desperate word parsing and it's nonsense. Read the part about how he was born in HI. That's the part you ignore while desperately parsing the meaning of "vital records." And that's the most important part. The only important part.

[ArtieN54]

I pasted the statement for you, here it is again out of her own mouth: "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health..." Vital records refers to the database. Back then in HI, parents often registered their children even if they weren't born there. Listen, he might have been born in HI, the thing is, I don't know for sure and neither are you. There are questions ???

[Mystylplx]

"Back then" you could register a child born outside HI, but it wouldn't say "Honolulu HI" as place of birth. His sister Maya has a certificate from HI too, but it says "Djkarta Indonesia" as place of birth.

And Obama's parents were living in HI at the time of his birth. His certificate was filed within 4 days of his birth. It says "Honolulu HI."

That's good enough for any sane person and far more than most Presidents have shown. Who was GWB's doctor? Or any other Pres.'s for that matter?

[ArtieN54]

Oh, so now you claim to have seen his sister's birth certificate. It is alleged that they had traveled to Kenya and he was born there. I don't know, but there are a lot of question marks. If that COLB that was first offered by the Daily KOS website is enough for you to believe in him, good for you, but a lot of us americans aren't satisfied.

[Mystylplx]

It's "alleged?" Lots of things can be "alleged" without one shred of proof, but if you want it to be more than just an empty allegation there's got to be some proof. There's no evidence his mother ever went to Kenya any time in her entire life, much less when she was 9 months pregnant to have a baby.

The BC he's shown is prima facie proof in any court of law. That means that barring contradictory evidence it's proof.

[ArtieN54]

prima facie denotes evidence which — unless rebutted — would be sufficient to prove a particular proposition or fact. According to Wikipedia. The problem is, it HAS been disputed and discredited by experts. And again, this president lies all the time and he is caught on tape lying. Another lie: "If you like your current healthcare, you can keep it"..B.S.

[Mystylplx]

"The problem is, it HAS been disputed and discredited by experts."

Wrong. It's been verified by experts. It has not been disputed by a single expert. Not one.

[ArtieN54]

The COLB is fake my friend, all you have to do is read the part about his fathers race. Take a good look..

[Mystylplx]

The fathers race is African, which is exactly the way an African person would answer that question in the 60's.

Perfect example of why self-proclaimed experts should not be listened to. They make proof out of moonbeams.

The COLB is authentic my friend. Deal with it.

[KEvronius]

you're right: the colb is fake. unfortunately, there's not a god damned thing you can do about it.

merry taitzmas!

KEvron

[borderraven]

CATCH-22-- The COLB is a GENUINE article, but it is not the vital statistic record(s), and/or a certified copy of the vital statistic record(s) (VSR). HOWEVER, now that HI-DOH has produced the COLB, we can challenge the existence & authenticity of the source VSR, claimed in possession of HI DOH. Only examination of the VSR, can determine natural born citizenship. I can't wait.

[Mystylplx]

The COLB is indeed a certified copy of the vital record. It has the state seal and signature stamp which means it is prima facie proof of the information it contains, just exactly like any other certified copy of a birth certificate.

[borderraven]

Mystylplx, it is apparent to me that you are absolutely clueless about vital statistic records maintained at county and state levels. I recognize your handicap must be from a lack of experience typical of Obots.

[Mystylplx]

The clueless accusing me of being clueless. Will wonders never cease? I guess the HI DOH is clueless too, as they're the ones who certified it.

Maybe clueless little ol' me can clue you in on the fact that 37 states give short forms by preference, and they are also considered certified copies of vital records, and are every bit as valid as a long form photocopy. In either case they are backed up by the full faith and authority of the issuing body, and are prima facie proof of what's on them,.

[borderraven]

Mystylplx, yes you are clueless, and you confirmed my claim. Hawaii law even states "The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof". A short form is not a record. A short form is an abstract of the record, not a copy thereof. Hence, you are a clueless and mindless Obamadroid, designed to destroy the US Constitution.

[Mystylplx]

Wrong bozo. It's a certified stamped and sealed record. They wouldn't stamp it and seal it if that were not true. It's also the only kind of birth certificate they give out, so if you were right no one born in HI could do things like get a passport or join the military. But they can do those things, so looks like you're on a streak of being wrong.

[borderraven]

Mystylplx, wrong again idiot. A document of record is not the same as a few words and dates transcribed onto a sheet of computer paper. I am witnessing how easy it was to fool 65 million Obots into assuming he was a citizen, since seeing his name on a ballot, must have meant he was qualified to be a US president. If Obama wants his certified copy of the original record, then he can get it. Your continued denial of reality only proves how bad your tunnel vision is fool.

[Mystylplx]

That's why they call it a certified copy, moron. No state will give out the original record--they keep that and give certified copies. The certified copy is sometimes a literal photocopy, but more often these days it's a computer printout. And there's no difference in the validity between a computer printout and a literal photocopy--both are equally backed up by the issuing agency, both have the exact same stamp and seal saying so.

[borderraven]

Both do not give a full and accurate depiction of the original record, and therefore they are not equal in court.

[Mystylplx]

One does not give irrelevant information like his birth weight and so forth, but both are equal in court for the information they contain. The value in court comes from the seal and stamp, which means the information is backed up by the issuing agency. The value in court does not come from the irrelevant extra information that a "long form" contains. Long forms are certified copies just like short forms, and the court value comes from the seal and stamp just like a short form.

[Mystylplx]

Any document can always be forged. That's why certified copies have more value--it's not just a document, it's the issuing agency (in this case the HI DOH) that's is CERTIFYING that the information is correct. That fact carries far more weight than any mere piece of paper can. A certified short form and a certified long form are equal in court because it's the certification that carries all the weight, not the piece of paper.

[Mystylplx]

What's obvious is you are an idiot. You keep trying to claim that Obama's COLB is not a certified copy, yet it has the state seal and the signature stamp of the registrar which are only on certified copies. And in fact it is representative of the only kind of certified copies HI gives. Anyone born in HI requesting a certifed BC will get one just like his, and that is true of 37 other states as well.

Welcome to the 21st century, brainiac.

[borderraven]

@Mystylplx, it is an argument of semantics which you are incapable of grasping. Obama was born in 1961, when birth certificates were typed in typewriters and signed by the mother and doctor. That paper went to the vault, and is the only original. Only a photocopy of that original can be certified as representing the original. The COLB, is a "laser-printed document containing scant data abstracted from the original and certified true", yet it is not the original.

[Mystylplx]

It's an argument of ignorance, not semantics, you are promoting. Yes, HI has the vault original. No, Obama doesn't have it. What he has is what anyone from HI gets when requesting a certified copy since the mid-80's.

Lot's of people don't have their older copy, which is why you can send to your birth state and get a new one, which is exactly what Obama did.

And no President in history has shown the original. No state gives out the original. Most Presidents never showed any kind of BC at all.

[borderraven]

No state gives out the original, but that don't mean a certified photocopy of Obama's original cannot be produced. If the original exists, then a first-generation photocopy can be produced and certified. In fact a thousand first-generation photocopies can be produced from the original and certified.

[Mystylplx]

And none of that answers the question of why you are holding Obama to a higher standard than any previous President in history. MOST Presidents never showed a BC at all. Obama has done so. AND he's shown birth announcements in TWO HI newspapers and has had the HI DOH confirm the existence of his records multiple times.

So why the continued chimp-out over nothing? The whole 'born in Kenya' theory is ridiculous to the point of absurdity. He's proven his birth place more than any other President.

[Mystylplx]

So seriously, why all the BS? What's so different about Obama that he should be held to such a higher standard?

[borderraven]

Because he asked to hold the office of President of the USA. If he wants to hold that office, then he is to be held to the HIGHEST standard.

[Mystylplx]

You are dodging the question. Why are you holding Obama to so much higher of a standard than any previous President? Saying you are doing it because he's President doesn't cut it when he's already proven his eligibility more than any other President.

[borderraven]

@Mystylplx, maybe today Hawaii gives out the laser-printed COLB, but let's not be ignorant of the truth, which is they have Obama's original vault copy in possession. Obama don't got it. If a court of law or congress wants a copy of the vault copy, then they can get a certified photocopy of the original, and not settle for the laser-printed version. You can accept a half-truth and continue being fooled, but I'll settle for the whole truth and not be a sheep to the wolf. Do you get it now?

[Mystylplx]

You can keep demanding to see the original, and thereby hold Obama to a higher standard than any prior President in history, but then one must ask why the double standard?

Besides that it's silly. I guarantee the original isn't going to say anything different from the certified copy. If you think it will you are just being unbelievably paranoid.

[borderraven]

Mystylplx, said "I guarantee the original isn't going to say anything different from the certified copy."

True, but then I guarantee, that you have NOT yet seen the certified copy. So far, you have only seen a certified original produced from a laser printer.

But, now I must ask you if your birth certificate is a state or federal document? Are you a state citizen? How does your state laws define citizens of the state?

[Mystylplx]

"certified original produced from a laser printer???"

What does that even mean. It's a certified COPY produced from a laser printer, which is what the majority of people in this country get nowadays. Welcome to the 21st century.

And HI (along with some other states) doesn't do photocopies any more. Nor is there any valid reason to. Yes, theoretically, a certified photocopy could be produced if Obama were willing to throw his weight around as President, but since there's no reason to do so...

[borderraven]

Mystylplx, a copier machine produces copies, but a printer produces originals.

You put an original into a copier, and what will come out of the other end as a copy.

The INput of a laser-printer is a computer data, the OUTput of a laser-printer is an original computer-generated, laser-printed document.

Do you comprehend the concept yet?

[Mystylplx]

Silly semantic argument. Before there were photocopy machines there were mimeographs, and before that they typed out their copies by hand and they were called "copies." Those typewritten "copies" were, by your weird definition, also "original" documents since they didn't come out of a copy machine?

Pfft. It's the information from the original that's being copied, therefor it's a copy. The information is certified by the state of HI, therefor it's a certified copy.

[borderraven]

The data is being abstracted and transcribed in part, but not copied in whole, therefore it is not a copy of the original.

[Mystylplx]

It's still a copy, even if it's only a subset. Nothing is abstracted.

But it doesn't matter. It's a silly semantic argument.

Why are you still dodging the question about why you are holding Obama to such a higher standard than any other President? And don't say it's because he's the President because that makes no sense--all the other Presidents were Presidents too.

[ArtieN54]

Border, I left this infinite loop with "Mysty" a while back, it appears that he is interested in establishing a double standard (i.e. White presidents have one standard whereas this president has another), it's a tool that's been employed ever since "Barry" become a viable candidate. Your point is great about the BC being typewritten back then, I for one, will not believe him to be eligible until I see the typewritten BC. Keep the faith my friend.

[borderraven]

ArtieN54,

The Obots will try to convince you: 1. A pile of bull crap is the same as a steer. 2. A dog biscuit is the same as a steak. 3. It's ok to buy the house, they show you in the photo, you don't need to inspect it, just trust them.

[ArtieN54]

Oh, no doubt my friend, just go back and read all the BS that is written right here. Obots, drones, liberal regresives in general don't care about facts, just feelings.

[Mystylplx]

@ArtieN54

Actually you're the one trying to establish a double standard. MOST Presidents in history never showed a birth certificate at all. Obama has done so, and gone far beyond just that in terms of proving his eligibility, but you birfoons won't accept any amount of proof.

[silverwolf6970]

@Mystylplx when mccain was running he had to show proof because there were concerns that he wasnt a natural born citizen..i think if there is a question it should be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt..this is the presidency after all

[Mystylplx]

@silverwolf6970

It has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.

[9nunyabiz9]

@Mystylplx ALL you do is lie, lie lie, and lie on behalf of Blowbama. You're SUCH an obvious keyboard whore!

[ArtieN54]

As for name calling, I wouldn't call Obama supporters "hopers" I would call them blind followers.

[DillonX]

Obvious forgery.

[whathitthefan]

And what expertise do you possess to determine that? My comment is, why do Obama continue to refuse to show his actual birth certificate?

[Mystylplx]

He HAS released his REAL BC. It's the only kind of certified copy Hi. gives out. To get the original vault copy would require a court order, which he could get, but why should he? He's already proven to a FAR greater degree than any prior President that he's a natural born citizen. The vault copy wouldn't prove it any more than it's already been proven

It's a bad idea for the President to capitulate to nutjobs throwing tantrums

[ArtieN54]

Why Should He? Really? I can think of a few reasons. 1) To put everything to rest, 2) To shut people up. Now I have a question for you. Why is he paying millions of dollars in attorneys fees to fight this as oppose to just releasing his "birth certificate"..FYI, The COLB is NOT the only kind, there is a long form "vault" type which shows the name of the hospital, physician and even the address of the hospital. Do you have that information?

[luilun]

Cause there is no legitimate birth certificate. Only an African one.

[ArtieN54]

Well, we don't know that for sure because...HE WON"T RELEASE ANY OF HIS FRIGGIN DOCUMENTS!!!!

[Dt0x75]

Because there is no law stating that he has to. Plain and Simple.....Also Lucas Smith has been in the past charged with Check Forgery...His creditability whether you believe it or not is dead. Obama was born in Hawaii...Get over it...I don't like what Obama is doing, but we have to live with it until at least 2012.

[CourtneysAuntSara]

would be satisfied and much rather see Obama ask his first college he attended to independently release his entrance application. In his own handwriting, you would see his declaration of place of birth and faith. You would also see if he asked for foreign schlorships for tuition aid.

[RenegadeTimes]

Obama's story is much deeper than anyone knows at this time. Is this real ..who knows...but he has and is bringing real devastation to America....so it's not hard too beleive he is from elsewhere. What planet did Reagan, Carter , Bush and the rest of these idiots presidents come from ?...their birth certificates must of been forged.

Perhaps the queen birthed them all.!!! That's why she looks so beat up.

All of them..CFR.

Lousy elite scum ~

[7thswan]

Hummmm, another fake put out by BO to make Birther's look Crazy??? We just need a Judge with some Balls.

[17745684]

obama is out to destroy the great country of aMERICA!!!! and yes he can with so many fools around.

thats what happens when you give blacks a chance they dont deserve!!!

[terribetancourt]

hilarious !

[InViewofForever]

Watch for the obots to spin themselves into a frenzy over this. You can always tell how close to the truth something is by the amount of time the k00l-aid drinkers spend trying to say it's a lie.

The only thing that's a lie is O-ineligible's presidency!

[locustweed]

It does not matter--it will never be proven one way or another--I personally believe obama lied about everything. He is a globalist bent usurping the Constitution and our nation's destruction. For this alone I despise his authority as an American president. He has broken his oath of office, and I pray for his quick demise! ",,and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone."

[mindwarp1966]

i found this video annoying and uninformative.

[boatklicko]

looks real to me. get it to a trustworthy attorney soon as possible!

[j007ism]

Forget about the dates. Has anyone noticed the last name in the doctor's signature starts with a C? His last name doesn't start with a C. Also, the signature under that only has one name. An official document with one name written on the signature line? This is a fake IMO.

[DeadMikeDOTcom]

Obviously you don't know how to write in cursive and therefore don't know that a CAPITAL A in cursive is a big round closed 'C'. Add to that individual style (as all our signatures are different) and you have the reason you are not the expert here.

[margiememargie]

When is the Supreme Court going to get involved?

[funnyhaha71]

Never! Obama is a NBC, thus this will ALWAYS be denied by any and every court.

Suck it up for god's sake.

[margiememargie]

Why are you so ignorant? A NBC is one born in a country to parents that are citizens.

[funnyhaha71]

Prove it. Where in the Constitution does it say that??? No de Vattel crap. Us the good ol' US Constitution.

Good luck.

[luilun]

They won't that's why Sotomayor was placed there

[dgroundhog]

Also, there certainly was a James O. W. Ang'awa who was a Dr in Kenya around that time:

The B.C.G. Vaccination Campaign In Kenyaby James O. W. Angawa

...and the Odongo name checks out as well as a current administrator at Coast Provincial Hospital.

Could be a forgery obviously - but the forger appears to have done some research.

It also looks a hell of a lot more valid than anything Zero has released.

[klingoncelt]

The last names should have been placed first. Obama, Barak Hussein II.

[dgroundhog]

Well if he was born in Kenya it just makes him all the more ineligible to be POTUS.

Of course, we already know he was registered as Barry Soetoro, Indonesian citizen in school records there. The Soetoro/Dunham divorce records show the couple shared 2 children (Zero and Maya). This proves Barry was adopted by Lolo - and therefore was an Indonesian citizen.

Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship at that time. Therefore, Barry lost any Natural Born Status he MIGHT have had if he were US born.

[changingmyself]

It doesn't matter if Indonesia allows duel citizenship. . BOTH USA and UK do not allow duel citizenships but BOTH of my kids are citizens of BOTH UK and USA. They cannot stop it. You have a right as a human to be a citizen of any country YOU WANT.

[wetweasel56]

Liar.

[klingoncelt]

It's clearly written by an American. everyone else writes their dates as day/month/year.

Nice try tards.

Next.

[roncram]

It is written as "4th day of AUGUST, 1961" I do not see a problem.

[klingoncelt]

At the bottom, there's a date, 8/7/61. You don't see the problem?

The US is pretty much the only place that writes dates like that. Everyone else writes day/month/year.

It should have been 7/8/61.

On the date you posted, it would be 4 AUGUST 1961.