For US427: IF the pilots of US427 had been trained on the crossover speed for the B737, they could have saved the aircraft. This is the speed BELOW which using maximum opposite ailerons will NOT correct for a rudder hard over. So, the US427 crew could have lowered the nose to increase the speed above the crossover speed, apply maximum right aileron and landed safely. Boeing knew this in 1992 - after UA585, but refused to admit anything was wrong, so never alerted the airlines.
Even then, US427 pilots would have had to diagnose the problem and act in ~10 seconds. Considering the long litany of rudder issues with the 737, training in this area should have been mandated by the FAA based on Boeing's crossover speed analysis. Then, it's likely US427 would have been just an incident, like Eastwind 517 in 1996, which finally provided evidence of the flaw in the B737 rudder system.
In UA585, I don't think the pilots would have had enough time even if they knew.
The initial report (uploaded somewhere here on YouTube) said that it was a 737, so the news reporters were wrong because not enough investigation was done and not enough research on what aircraft flew Alaska 261. Looks like whoever informed those news reporters deserves a spanking :P.
A screw like part in the tail from what I remember became stripped from either wrong oil/lubricant application or other reason and the elevator jammed. They had no way of controlling their pitch up/down attitude. You'd figure controlled use of thrust or flaps would make a landing possible, but that was not the case. As soon as they started experimenting with the aircraft's configuration is as soon as they went out of control.
il paraitrai que si les pilotes avaient pris la decision de faire un atterissage d'urgence de suite apres le premier incident, les vies auraient certainements pu etre epargnees.
Is the full version of the NTSB animation up of the crash of flight 261, if so where ,may I find it?
FLT111 4 months ago
one of the pilot that work Ameri flight saw the crash in flight and,quit his job the next day!
solomonpilot767 1 year ago
aside from the technical facts, i cant imagine the terror the passengers faced
commandro 1 year ago
Kind of a similiar situation with U585 and US427
1.U585 and US427 could not recover from a rudder hard over dive
2. Alaska 261 had a jammed horizontal stabalizer and later on it gave away making the plane go in a position where it cannot be controlled
AndyMcArren1356 2 years ago
Andy..
For US427: IF the pilots of US427 had been trained on the crossover speed for the B737, they could have saved the aircraft. This is the speed BELOW which using maximum opposite ailerons will NOT correct for a rudder hard over. So, the US427 crew could have lowered the nose to increase the speed above the crossover speed, apply maximum right aileron and landed safely. Boeing knew this in 1992 - after UA585, but refused to admit anything was wrong, so never alerted the airlines.
ard767 2 years ago
Even then, US427 pilots would have had to diagnose the problem and act in ~10 seconds. Considering the long litany of rudder issues with the 737, training in this area should have been mandated by the FAA based on Boeing's crossover speed analysis. Then, it's likely US427 would have been just an incident, like Eastwind 517 in 1996, which finally provided evidence of the flaw in the B737 rudder system.
In UA585, I don't think the pilots would have had enough time even if they knew.
ard767 2 years ago
After the Mayday:
CAPT: Push and roll, push and roll. CAPT: Ok, we are inverted...and now we gotta get it.
CAPT: Push push push...push the blue side up.
CAPT: Ok now lets kick rudder...left rudder left rudder. F/O: I can't reach it.
CAPT: Ok right rudder...right rudder. CAPT: Gotta get it over again...at least upside down we're flying.
[Sounds similar to engine compressor stalls and engine spool down]
CAPT: Speedbrakes.
F/O: Ah here we go. F/O: [End of recording]
Stinkywookiee 2 years ago
I don't think the pilot said "this is a b*tch", he said "this is a pitch". that MD-80 looks pretty nice..
alvaro8969 3 years ago
this happend 2 a west carribean airlines md80 back in 2005 all were killed on board
georgesturdy 3 years ago
They were having engine problems, not stabilizer problems.
jniemo 3 years ago
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korrdavl 2 months ago
wow that md 80 looks just like a 737 right.....retard and the aircraft was not flyable after the trim moved to the full down position.
bigguy252 4 years ago
The initial report (uploaded somewhere here on YouTube) said that it was a 737, so the news reporters were wrong because not enough investigation was done and not enough research on what aircraft flew Alaska 261. Looks like whoever informed those news reporters deserves a spanking :P.
ChainChomp2 3 years ago
It bound up and they made the mistake of trying to free it by exercising it rather than try to land it in a flying condition.
Anyone who's used a screw jack on a car knows that once they bind that stripping will occur if moved.
Icepacalapse 4 years ago
kool
cokefan3 4 years ago
it was a 737
B787YV 4 years ago
no, its an md80
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AhlixL 4 years ago
A screw like part in the tail from what I remember became stripped from either wrong oil/lubricant application or other reason and the elevator jammed. They had no way of controlling their pitch up/down attitude. You'd figure controlled use of thrust or flaps would make a landing possible, but that was not the case. As soon as they started experimenting with the aircraft's configuration is as soon as they went out of control.
RicardoNY1 4 years ago
what caused this? the last time i saw a nose dive like this was on a turboprop. was that what this plane was?
la4or 4 years ago
No, it was a McDonnell Douglas MD-83. Something in the tail malfunctioned.
tylermannison 4 years ago
you mean Partnair?
AndyMcArren1356 2 years ago
il paraitrai que si les pilotes avaient pris la decision de faire un atterissage d'urgence de suite apres le premier incident, les vies auraient certainements pu etre epargnees.
francksol 4 years ago
i live just a walking distance from port hueneme beach. RIP.
HotSIzZle12 4 years ago
Bugger.
ScytheKing 4 years ago
Que dieu les gardes ca c'est vraiment une mort atroce come tous les crashs aeriens
francksol 4 years ago
Those poor people....
MikePattison 4 years ago
awsome i love MD-83
FLT111 4 years ago
Glad to hear Alaska is selling their remaining MD-83's. They deserve to be in better colors.
MD11ER 4 years ago
God Bless everyone who died and their families...
Nitrux1 4 years ago
the idiots who neglected to keep up the maintenance should be banned from ever holding jobs again..
sirlordwhitman 4 years ago
WOW, that is just terrible that the whole plain would turn completely upside down like that...
ethen24 4 years ago