If I Were a Bell - Miles Davis Sextet - 1959

[darinbar]

A shame the sound fell out that soon.

[56conn6h]

@kmc...don't be so touchy. Ain't no big deal.

[DajaWaja]

Rax Moach

[kmc56]

I wore out records with both Jimmy and Philly Joe. After all, isn't it all Jo Jones and Max Roach?

[adeduction]

@kmc56 I was reading Buddy Rich interview where he mentions that he had Philly Joe Jones in his band for a while - that he had hired Philly Joe to take over for him when he wanted to sing or take a break and smoke a cigar. Is that true or was Rich just joking or bragging?

[kmc56]

Settle down. I was using an old source.

[mendocinoplayboy]

Alright man, but do me a favor, look it up on wikipedia, ''miles davis live at plaza hotel wikipedia''

[kmc56]

I've had this album since 1977 and it' was Philly Joe Jones. Now I see they want to change it. Like the fellow below says - enjoy it!

[adeduction]

@kmc56 There's a picture of Philly Joe in this great video but it's definitely the great Jimmy Cobb playing. Philly Joe didn't repeat the accents as much with his left hand as continuously as Cobb does throughout. Those repititious but delicious left hand & bass drum accents at the opening of Miles solo and @ 6'56 are Jimmy Cobb trademarks. Philly Joe had more improvising tricks and didn't repeat himself as much. And Cobb just took over, Later on with Mobley u could tell at once it was Cobb.

[mendocinoplayboy]

All due respect sir Read the album cover ''Live at the Plaza Hotel'', you can find it online, There are no recordings with Philly JJ and Bill Evans playing together with Miles'quintet in existence , If you do your research you'll find that miles replaced Red Garland with Bill Evans and Philly JJ w Jimmy Cobb (my friend) after the milestones session also,The Quintet w Red Garland was the ''Famous'' one.

[mendocinoplayboy]

This is Jimmy Cobb on drums without a doubt. Very cool though thanks.

[kmc56]

@mendocinoplayboy No, it's "Philly" Joe Jones. This was a very famous sextet.

[colourfulwithaU]

Quit arguing and enjoy, boys.

[rufusterrymcconnell]

I think I understand why Cannoball sat out on this cut......Trane blows everybody away including Miles and the other sidemen. This display of Trane's virtuosity is prototypical of what writer Ira Gitler called "sheets of sound". Trane was phenomenal and had the gift of music deep down in his soul. His music lives on (even when he plays as a sideman......like on this date in 1959).

[qsaras1]

@rufusterrymcconnell Or maybe he just didn't feel like playing :p

[rufusterrymcconnell]

@qsaras1 Yea, like former Heavyweight Champion Larry Holmes didn't "feel like" fighting Mike Tyson when they met years ago. Point: Trane was just too GIFTED, heavy and very deep (even the expression on Cannonball's face in the photo of this recording in 1959 says "Where is this cat from? The shit he plays is UNREAL. I can't fuck with that!")

[qsaras1]

@rufusterrymcconnell That's just your interpretation. Why do you sound so certain? You have no idea. Maybe in that photo cannonball was thinking, man I really have to go to the bathroom right now. Why do you have to rank them like that? Trane was amazing, no doubt, untouchable, but I've never heard him take a solo as melodically fluid and rhythmically smooth as cannonball did on milestones. It's not a contest, they were playing together, it's just a question of differing styles.

[Mr100pounds]

I played this for Clarence Christian because I heard hints of his brother Charlie in Miles' horn. Later, I found out Miles said, "When I heard Charlie Christian on the radio I knew I wanted to be a jazz musician."